I guess this does need to be specified, judging by the things I had to read among the comments in recent few hours. That they are an RTS in their own words. Which is nonsense.
Just found this post in Steam forums, explains the situation completely. This RTS thing was a marketing misstep, clearly. "In the english description so different from the german one? because in the german description it's not labeled as RTS with 4X mechanics. It's labeled as 4X in realtime with a bit of grand strategy mechanics."
@@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961 Yes, exactly my concern about this game. I fear that it may be quite similar and combat may be extremely simplified, while everything else is overdetailed but not exactly well balanced, time investment and fun wise. We'll have to just wait and see.
Can we not with the "not a Dune RTS" yeah, it IS in my book. This phrasing just divides people instead of building educated interest. Just not a "Classic Dune RTS" with the old Westwood style. The genre has evolved over the last 20+ years with crapton of subnieches emerging. Whatever we want to label it is just semantics especially with hybrid genres. Everyone interested what's coming just look up Northgard and label it whatever you want. That's a viking 4X-RTS hybrid from this developer, pretty good stuff as far as I'm concerned. Also here is an FPS parallel that might take this into perspective: classic Doom was great, now if we couldn't get a Doom 2016 type game but a Borderlands type shooter got announced to be attached to the IP that's still pretty sweet eh? You wouldn't boo it of as "not an FPS"? Same story, different genre.
Petroglyph has the most amount of veteran WestWood refugee developers. They have a rough time developing RTS games because genre is notoriously hard and costly to develop games in, but the C&C Remaster is their doing and they did well.
@@aijc They actually work on some top secret project from some big publisher but they can't say what, their words. In the mean time, I would urge to familiarize yourself with their works if not already, Grey Goo is an awesome, underappreciated game, Universe at War: Earth Assault is a cult classic and Star Wars: Empire at War is just a masterpiece with mods being made to this day, just to name a few.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 UaW:EA well do u know where i can buy officially (idm digital ver)? well xbox ver is locked into 360 ver (no backward compatibility), meanwhile PC ver, physical disc from ebay basically out of option for me.
As someone who's been tacking this game since it's announcement and somenone who loved Dune II and Dune 2k, i must say this game is marvelous and i love how it takes the war on Dune to not only "war" but also politics, influences, alliances and control. Also the Conquest mode left me in awe as becoming ruler of arrakis
Looks like it's going the way of games like Stellaris and Sins of a Solar Empire, real-time 4x games, but leaning more to the scale of Civ. I love C&C/Dune games to death, but I also enjoy Stellaris a lot. I'll need to see gameplay to judge for sure.
Definitely a great concept, I just hope that combat elements won't be sacrificed and end up being too simplistic and not visually represented (just number crunching with random variables thrown in, as in Paradox games, for example).
I would have loved a Westwood type RTS, but I'm gonna keep an open mind on this since it's not entirely clear how it will play when it releases. Could be good, though.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 they may not like it, but the people that have the licence can develop the game as they see fit. If they had wanted to build a classic RTS, the Herbert estate would not have any grounds to stop them.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 it wouldn't make sense for them to interfere to that extent. Are you so sure someone at the Herbert estate hates basebuilding RTS games so much that they would stop one from getting made? Why haven't they blocked any and all games based on the IP then?
Shiro also made the game Northgard, which I think should give some idea of what we might expect. I'm not so much a traditional RTS person and liked Northgard, but it should be a fun new experience if you know what you're getting into.
yeah this screenshots make it look VERY similar to Northgard...which is probably a good thing because that game is great and a pretty fresh hybrid of RTS/4X/board game.
You may actually be in luck, this game really reminded me of the Cryo Dune 1992 game, much more then WestWood ones. Especially the strategic command bit, I harbor the suspicion that they actually were inspired by it much more then WW ones too. No adventure genre elements, I suspect, but plenty of focus on diplomacy, politics, intrigues and careful asset management will be the focus in my view.
It's a crying shame that this game will likely not have House Ordos; it was invented specifically for the video games. As this is based off the movie, there's a strong chance it'll be excluded.
Ix, Tleilaxu and others are minor houses and are much better in 4X game as minor factions to control and ally with for additional stuff, same goes to Fremen.
It's not like "the people who played the old Dune games" can't also be interested in 4X games, I'm pretty sure there is decent overlap between the two groups.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 uhmmm, WTH are you and Lynch85 are on about? It's "not like the old Dune games" and not "not for the people who played the old games" HUGE difference. And of course it's for the old Dune gamers as well. Just the RTS genre has matured over the 20+years and Shiro games has their own style which is not like the old Westwood style. They are honest and upfront about it and doing what they do best and not copying the OG format just for cheap nostalgia points. This is like the Prey 2017 situation again, just dumber. Since the new studios own vision doesn't come at the cost of axing a WIP of the old guard. Poor Westwood is already down the gutter a long time ago. As much as my wet dream would've been a Total Annihilation / Supreme Commander type massive pure RTS with House Ordos present, those were irrealistic expectations to begin with. As someone who enjoyed Mental Omega (C&C Red Alert 2 mód very much in the classic style) and Shiro Games's own Northgard this year, I can assure while spicy with its 4x elements the studio's RTS recipe is RTS to the core. The genre matured and widened, but we are well within good parameters. If it's not a StarCraft/RA3/C&C4 type abomination I'm happy to call it an RTS.
"4x" (Explore, Expand, Exploit, Exterminate) is basically the name they used for Civilization-type games, with both a fighting and a political management side to them. I recently stumbled on it when I added the original 1994 OS/2 version of Galactic Civilizations to MobyGames (because I own its box, somehow).
Good to see someone else remembers it. I only know of it from an old PC Gamer demo disc I used to play. Edit: Nevermind, different game. It was some other 4x.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Peculiarly, I actually found a demo video of it on some old gaming magazine CD, while the CD software and everything showcased on it were PC/DOS games, and this one needs OS/2.
So it's not like the Westwood Studios RTS games? Can't say I'm excited for it, but I'll keep an eye on it. Doing the same with the Starship Troopers one coming in early 2022.
I'm on Win10 and it's perfectly playable, I actually played some after the announcement of this game. You just need to fiddle a bit with compatibility properties or wrappers if it doesn't work for you.
If it's based on the movie, probably not. House Ordos is completely 'fictional' in the Dune universe. It was invented specifically for the video games (which is a crying shame).
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 iknow i was kinda hoping for a kinda... "make your own house" option like how ya can create empires in stellaris etc. that be neat. the steam page seems to hint at that there be at least 4 faction. can see a golden and blue symbol in one of the screenshots.
My thoughts exactly. I even will hazard a guess that the result might be akin to how we got the C&C Remaster - EA was just surprised to see SO MANY old C&C fans coming out of the woodworks just to burn the C&C Rivals to the ground and complain about there being no traditional C&C.
2 more Houses that haven't been specified. My money would be on Richese, Fenring or Ordos. 2 of them are from the Dune books and the third... Depends on if they do want to tug on the heartstrings of the fans of the originals.
@@TheBeastCH I initially thought Fremen would be a faction, but looking through the documentation it talks about using the Landsraad for votes and politics, which a Fremen faction would be excluded from.
@@CountThalim That is true, they are no house of the Landsrad. But casual fans wouldn't know any houses other than Atreides and Harkonnen, and perhaps Corrino since that's the imperial one. But even the most casual fan that doesn't even know the books exist beyond the first one and only ever watched the new movie knows about the Fremen. With that argument, the Spacing Guild or the bene gesserit becomes an option too. But they aren't a house either.
@@TheBeastCH True. I guess it depends on if they are going light or heavy on the lore. Given they are pulling in CHOAM which isn't mentioned in the movie I am tentatively hopeful. And if nothing else at least it isn't a mobile game...
RTS is booming what are you talking about. Age of Empires 4, Homeworld 3, Company of Heroes 3(There are a lot of threes this and next year...), Gates of Hell, Men of War 2, Iron Harvest, Broken Arrow....Been playing RTS since the 90's; We've never had it so good. The genre is more than just Starcraft and C&C.
This game is amazing! My expectations were low, but this game jumped over its head. I like the Westwood games too, EA could remaster/remake Emperor: Battle for Dune.
It honestly plays like 4X, but with pause instead of turns.
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When funcom announced a few years back that they have the Dune rights and I knew that time they worked on a few titles with petroglyph, my hopes were really high. Modern petroglyph RTS are mixed quality, but even a remaster or a remake would have been perfect. Or some more grandiose, like UaW/EaW/GG. I am sad
Hey! I'm afraid I don't keep up with the board games. I'm more of a single-player guy in terms of video games since I don't get much opportunity to play local multiplayer, so as a result I never really got into board games like the Dune ones
The board game guys lost the licence, so rebranded the game as its own Twilight Imperium IP. Now they have it back so the game has been reissued with its original art and also with branding for the new movie.
Yeah, so turns out a Dune strategy game was in the works, just not developed by Petroglyph... Screenshots have not impressed me, don't like the art style. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Yeah, it is definately reminicient of turn-based games like CIV, but it's apparently not turn-based and is real-time. However, not the classic standard of RTS that we all know and love. It's interesting, tho. I do hope it gains a good audience.
This kindof game fits the Dune universe much better in my opinion. Dune doesn't have that kind of warfaare and as a dunomaniac it was always a bad representation of dune.
The game comes not from Funcom themselves, but from a dev responsible for Northgard, a quite good survival economy strategy game in real-time, with nods to things like Settlers and Cultures. I think they are able to pull this off.
It most certainly will not be an RTS. It is a strategy and it will be happening in real-time, but it is absolutely not a Real-Time Strategy. It’s just real-time with pause grand strategy game with 4X elements. God, I wish developers stopped slapping RTS on anything happening in real-time. It’s a goddamn grift is what it is. They are already getting flamed on forums and discussions for naming themselves an RTS without being neither a proper RTS nor a WestWood Dune RTS. Rightfully so, might I add. Edit: That being said, I still look forward to this game because I always thought Dune was prime material for a Grand Strategy or 4X game. I'm interested in what they'll have to offer. Edit 2: Found this posted on Steam forums, explains the situation comprehensively. This RTS thing was a marketing misstep, clearly. Judging by the reception - a substantial one. "In the english description so different from the german one? because in the german description it's not labeled as RTS with 4X mechanics. It's labeled as 4X in realtime with a bit of grand strategy mechanics."
@@daminguez check some other of my replies in this comment section. Basic gist is that Herbert’s Estate, holders of Dune IP, are hostile towards old WestWood Dune RTS games and want them buried and forgotten.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 What a shame. The game what invent the base building rts.... But Herbert Estate agreed for bringing back an old crappy tabletop game.... lol.
@@daminguez maybe that’s a sign of things changing inside the Estate. Maybe that treatment of those venerable RTS isn’t adamant or universal. We can only hope.
EXACTLY! WTH? A game is RTS or 4x. I mean all of the 4x game is turn based so wtf? Or is a Total War style game? The big map is turn based but the fight is real time? But in the pictures is giant units go near little haxagon cities. Its very confusing. But i hope.... Oh and in the steam store page the tags: Rts, 4x, SINGLE PLAYER... oh so we dont get multiplayer? And of course its an early acces game.... because this is now the trend. Dont get me wrong i like this type of games: Crusader Kings III Civ 5 or 6, Gladius or Total War: Warhammer and etc. But if someone tells you: Dune RTS this is not the picture what come your mind. I mean why not make a BASE BUILDING RTS? DUNE II was who invent this thing. If they just want a cash grab this still make sense: come on do a dune rts because they just buy anyway because nostalgia. But no. WHY isn't ANYONE MAKE A DUNE BASE BUILDER RTS ?????
I hope the game goes beyond just Arrakis. I want to play politics in the Landsraad. Go an conquer/manage other planets in the universe. If you want to make a grand epic strategy game in Dune, you have to go beyond just Arrakis.
Herbert’s Estate, holders of the Dune IP, are notoriously against the old WestWood RTS for some reason, so I don’t think classic RTS will be happening, or even Dune 2000 remaster.
Unfortunately, the gameplay video is nothing like Westwood's Dune series, it's far too slow, the only modern Dune game we have is a Dune 2000 clone that is coming up called Barkhan, provided if it can survive a C&D from the Dune owners.
Turn-based strategies IS my thing, however, these screenshots do not really look inspiring. An Age of Wonders knock-off, mayhaps? It can be fun enough, although I'd venture that the fans of AoW have had enough of it by now, since all Triumph did since the 90s was streamlining and reducing amount of content. I doubt there can be enough of sufficiently different factions in Dune-verse though; sure, there are a lot of great houses, but can they be as different as separate races in, say, Planetfall? Endless Space? Possible in theory, but a lot of work. Besides, there are preciously little biom variety on a desert world: unless there will be other worlds playable, the game can go stale really quick. Also, small-scale battles on small battlefields aren't too good for replayability either. We'll see, I guess. My estimation for this game so far - it'll be akin to Slitherine Software games - not widely known, even if good (which isn't always the case). It looks too niche.
My bet is that, if you want a taste of what this game will be like, you should check out Shiro's previous "real time 4X" game Northgard, which I haven't played but I have heard good things about.
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I think RTS live on just in the grand strategy/4x branch. I mean PDX main title still doing fine. But the base building RTS are really can be called near extinction by this point. The Big Corp who still made Base building RTS that I remember are Relic/sega which COH3 aren't really good by now compared to COH2 tho.
As described by the publisher/developer, "Dune: Spice Wars is a real-time strategy game with 4X elements", so it would be the 4X subset of the RTS genre, just not a traditional RTS. It's being marketed as a 4X RTS so it makes sense to refer to it as that in the title.
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From the press site: "Dune: Spice Wars is a real-time strategy game with 4X elements"
I guess this does need to be specified, judging by the things I had to read among the comments in recent few hours. That they are an RTS in their own words. Which is nonsense.
Just found this post in Steam forums, explains the situation completely. This RTS thing was a marketing misstep, clearly.
"In the english description so different from the german one?
because in the german description it's not labeled as RTS with 4X mechanics.
It's labeled as 4X in realtime with a bit of grand strategy mechanics."
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 is it like most of Paradox shit games?
@@jimmyorgenkaccrow4961 Yes, exactly my concern about this game. I fear that it may be quite similar and combat may be extremely simplified, while everything else is overdetailed but not exactly well balanced, time investment and fun wise. We'll have to just wait and see.
Can we not with the "not a Dune RTS" yeah, it IS in my book. This phrasing just divides people instead of building educated interest. Just not a "Classic Dune RTS" with the old Westwood style. The genre has evolved over the last 20+ years with crapton of subnieches emerging. Whatever we want to label it is just semantics especially with hybrid genres.
Everyone interested what's coming just look up Northgard and label it whatever you want. That's a viking 4X-RTS hybrid from this developer, pretty good stuff as far as I'm concerned.
Also here is an FPS parallel that might take this into perspective: classic Doom was great, now if we couldn't get a Doom 2016 type game but a Borderlands type shooter got announced to be attached to the IP that's still pretty sweet eh? You wouldn't boo it of as "not an FPS"? Same story, different genre.
I really wish Westwood still existed, I don't think we're gonna get any new RTS devs as good as them in a while.
Petroglyph has the most amount of veteran WestWood refugee developers. They have a rough time developing RTS games because genre is notoriously hard and costly to develop games in, but the C&C Remaster is their doing and they did well.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 That's amazing! I hope they get more funding by bigger companies. Their work really is great.
@@aijc They actually work on some top secret project from some big publisher but they can't say what, their words. In the mean time, I would urge to familiarize yourself with their works if not already, Grey Goo is an awesome, underappreciated game, Universe at War: Earth Assault is a cult classic and Star Wars: Empire at War is just a masterpiece with mods being made to this day, just to name a few.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 Thank you for the info! I'll check our your recommendations.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 UaW:EA well do u know where i can buy officially (idm digital ver)?
well xbox ver is locked into 360 ver (no backward compatibility), meanwhile PC ver, physical disc from ebay basically out of option for me.
As someone who's been tacking this game since it's announcement and somenone who loved Dune II and Dune 2k, i must say this game is marvelous and i love how it takes the war on Dune to not only "war" but also politics, influences, alliances and control.
Also the Conquest mode left me in awe as becoming ruler of arrakis
Looks like it's going the way of games like Stellaris and Sins of a Solar Empire, real-time 4x games, but leaning more to the scale of Civ. I love C&C/Dune games to death, but I also enjoy Stellaris a lot. I'll need to see gameplay to judge for sure.
Definitely a great concept, I just hope that combat elements won't be sacrificed and end up being too simplistic and not visually represented (just number crunching with random variables thrown in, as in Paradox games, for example).
I would have loved a Westwood type RTS, but I'm gonna keep an open mind on this since it's not entirely clear how it will play when it releases. Could be good, though.
Not gonna happen. Herbert’s Estate is hostile towards WestWood Dune RTS game and want to bury them and be forgotten.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 they may not like it, but the people that have the licence can develop the game as they see fit. If they had wanted to build a classic RTS, the Herbert estate would not have any grounds to stop them.
@@Jaco_Schutte you think? I’m sure they have full control of IP and could flex to get whatever result they want.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 it wouldn't make sense for them to interfere to that extent. Are you so sure someone at the Herbert estate hates basebuilding RTS games so much that they would stop one from getting made? Why haven't they blocked any and all games based on the IP then?
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 why?
Shiro also made the game Northgard, which I think should give some idea of what we might expect. I'm not so much a traditional RTS person and liked Northgard, but it should be a fun new experience if you know what you're getting into.
yeah this screenshots make it look VERY similar to Northgard...which is probably a good thing because that game is great and a pretty fresh hybrid of RTS/4X/board game.
Man, Westwood-only fans do not know the pain of being a Cryo Dune fan. Only thing we've gotten since 1992 was some French porn game.
You may actually be in luck, this game really reminded me of the Cryo Dune 1992 game, much more then WestWood ones. Especially the strategic command bit, I harbor the suspicion that they actually were inspired by it much more then WW ones too. No adventure genre elements, I suspect, but plenty of focus on diplomacy, politics, intrigues and careful asset management will be the focus in my view.
It's a crying shame that this game will likely not have House Ordos; it was invented specifically for the video games. As this is based off the movie, there's a strong chance it'll be excluded.
Look at the screenshots on the steam page, they seemed to be doing their own thing so it's not out of the question and they have a discord
@@triplehelix3207 I can only hope!
They will probably use Ixians in place pf House Ordos.
Ix, Tleilaxu and others are minor houses and are much better in 4X game as minor factions to control and ally with for additional stuff, same goes to Fremen.
How about a House Ordos reskin
"Not for the people who played the old Dune games"... basically the only people that would be slightly interested in buying a Dune "rts" game.
Yeah its the worst marketing strategy they give an GIANT RTS tag, then you realized wtf.
It's not like "the people who played the old Dune games" can't also be interested in 4X games, I'm pretty sure there is decent overlap between the two groups.
@@AscendantStoic Absolutely. But not when non RTS game advertises itself as one. That may be a negative point for some.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 uhmmm, WTH are you and Lynch85 are on about?
It's "not like the old Dune games" and not "not for the people who played the old games" HUGE difference. And of course it's for the old Dune gamers as well. Just the RTS genre has matured over the 20+years and Shiro games has their own style which is not like the old Westwood style. They are honest and upfront about it and doing what they do best and not copying the OG format just for cheap nostalgia points.
This is like the Prey 2017 situation again, just dumber. Since the new studios own vision doesn't come at the cost of axing a WIP of the old guard. Poor Westwood is already down the gutter a long time ago.
As much as my wet dream would've been a Total Annihilation / Supreme Commander type massive pure RTS with House Ordos present, those were irrealistic expectations to begin with.
As someone who enjoyed Mental Omega (C&C Red Alert 2 mód very much in the classic style) and Shiro Games's own Northgard this year, I can assure while spicy with its 4x elements the studio's RTS recipe is RTS to the core. The genre matured and widened, but we are well within good parameters.
If it's not a StarCraft/RA3/C&C4 type abomination I'm happy to call it an RTS.
@@janosd4nuke "honest and upfront"... you didn't watch the video, right?
"4x" (Explore, Expand, Exploit, Exterminate) is basically the name they used for Civilization-type games, with both a fighting and a political management side to them. I recently stumbled on it when I added the original 1994 OS/2 version of Galactic Civilizations to MobyGames (because I own its box, somehow).
Good to see someone else remembers it.
I only know of it from an old PC Gamer demo disc I used to play.
Edit: Nevermind, different game. It was some other 4x.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Peculiarly, I actually found a demo video of it on some old gaming magazine CD, while the CD software and everything showcased on it were PC/DOS games, and this one needs OS/2.
@@Nyerguds Thats weird. How old is it?
@@Lobsterwithinternet From 1994. I said that in my original post ;)
Apologies.
It's kind of weird hearing about a demo for Apple. Most of the time it’s for PC.
Can't wait for us to be collectively disappointed
You know it will have a pay2win currency called "spice".
Spice Box
Honestly any game in the Dune universe even if it is meh im interested in.
I can agree with that, such things can be made with the universe, RPGs, Grand Strategy, 4X, you name it. Herbert's Estate are just lazy schmucks.
So it's not like the Westwood Studios RTS games? Can't say I'm excited for it, but I'll keep an eye on it.
Doing the same with the Starship Troopers one coming in early 2022.
Nothing beats Dune 2000 and Emperor dune RTS
All this does is make me lament that Emperor: Battle for Dune is no longer playable. God, I miss the old Westwood days.
I'm on Win10 and it's perfectly playable, I actually played some after the announcement of this game. You just need to fiddle a bit with compatibility properties or wrappers if it doesn't work for you.
im gonna lose my mind if there isnt any house ordos in that game....
If it's based on the movie, probably not. House Ordos is completely 'fictional' in the Dune universe. It was invented specifically for the video games (which is a crying shame).
House Ordos as we know it is a WestWood invention for their RTS games and has one sole mention in Dune lore as a smaller house specialized in trading.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 iknow i was kinda hoping for a kinda... "make your own house" option like how ya can create empires in stellaris etc. that be neat.
the steam page seems to hint at that there be at least 4 faction. can see a golden and blue symbol in one of the screenshots.
@@GunRunner106 interesting
If the game does well enough we may get an RTS in the style of the older games some time down the road.
My thoughts exactly. I even will hazard a guess that the result might be akin to how we got the C&C Remaster - EA was just surprised to see SO MANY old C&C fans coming out of the woodworks just to burn the C&C Rivals to the ground and complain about there being no traditional C&C.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 still holding out we'll get a RA2/Tiberian Sun Remaster
Any chance you’ll do a follow up on this since it released? Now with several factions available? I’m asking since Ix dlc was released.
now that its been out you should try it, its very damn good
If it's not REAL TIME it's not an RTS!
My understanding is that it is real-time
It is real-time, but it’s not a classic, traditional RTS. A real-time with pause (which you can see on screenshots) grand strategy with 4X elements.
2 more Houses that haven't been specified. My money would be on Richese, Fenring or Ordos. 2 of them are from the Dune books and the third... Depends on if they do want to tug on the heartstrings of the fans of the originals.
I'm suspecting Corrino, and Fremen
@@TheBeastCH I initially thought Fremen would be a faction, but looking through the documentation it talks about using the Landsraad for votes and politics, which a Fremen faction would be excluded from.
@@CountThalim That is true, they are no house of the Landsrad. But casual fans wouldn't know any houses other than Atreides and Harkonnen, and perhaps Corrino since that's the imperial one. But even the most casual fan that doesn't even know the books exist beyond the first one and only ever watched the new movie knows about the Fremen. With that argument, the Spacing Guild or the bene gesserit becomes an option too. But they aren't a house either.
@@TheBeastCH True. I guess it depends on if they are going light or heavy on the lore.
Given they are pulling in CHOAM which isn't mentioned in the movie I am tentatively hopeful.
And if nothing else at least it isn't a mobile game...
Thanks for the video
Shiro is doing a good job with Northgard.
It's interesting how RTS died, but 4X survived
RTS is booming what are you talking about. Age of Empires 4, Homeworld 3, Company of Heroes 3(There are a lot of threes this and next year...), Gates of Hell, Men of War 2, Iron Harvest, Broken Arrow....Been playing RTS since the 90's; We've never had it so good. The genre is more than just Starcraft and C&C.
@@shadow7988 you're right, somewhere in there we forgot that we should've gotten a warcraft 4 too
This game is amazing! My expectations were low, but this game jumped over its head. I like the Westwood games too, EA could remaster/remake Emperor: Battle for Dune.
I guess I'm still gonna wait for a proper Dune 2 remake then
See you when the IP expires
You should check the game out
@@chowderman8888 I did and it's pretty good actually! I miss the fast paced RTS of old but I'm also digging this style too.
I am confused. Will it be RTS with some 4X elements, or 4X in real time? I am at least curious, but dont have any expectations.
It's described on the press page as RTS with 4X elements, but from the screens it looks the opposite to me, 4X with real-time. Hard to say just yet
It honestly plays like 4X, but with pause instead of turns.
When funcom announced a few years back that they have the Dune rights and I knew that time they worked on a few titles with petroglyph, my hopes were really high. Modern petroglyph RTS are mixed quality, but even a remaster or a remake would have been perfect. Or some more grandiose, like UaW/EaW/GG. I am sad
Petroglyph are working on something big in secret for some big publisher. We can only hope what it is.
It'll be as "rts" as C&C rivals sadly, which is a shame
Except i think this Will not suck
So what about all the new Dune Board Games that have been came out the past few years?
Hey! I'm afraid I don't keep up with the board games. I'm more of a single-player guy in terms of video games since I don't get much opportunity to play local multiplayer, so as a result I never really got into board games like the Dune ones
The board game guys lost the licence, so rebranded the game as its own Twilight Imperium IP. Now they have it back so the game has been reissued with its original art and also with branding for the new movie.
Yeah, so turns out a Dune strategy game was in the works, just not developed by Petroglyph... Screenshots have not impressed me, don't like the art style. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
TD:LR
Might be just like Risk
You should follow up on the game
you were Right it really does look like dunce
Yeah, it is definately reminicient of turn-based games like CIV, but it's apparently not turn-based and is real-time. However, not the classic standard of RTS that we all know and love. It's interesting, tho. I do hope it gains a good audience.
A new WHAT. A new Fu... A new RTS!?
Looks more akin to age of wonder.
Dunc: the Battle for Arrakis
If the gameplay will be anything like Stellaris then I will really enjoy this game. Im a huge fan for Real time 4X games.
RTS is a defined term it means REAL TIME STRATEGY. A round based civ-like clone is NOT RTS.... miss me with that.
Round based? Isn’t it advertised as real-time, never mind the RTS misnomer. You can even see pause on UI screenshots.
This kindof game fits the Dune universe much better in my opinion. Dune doesn't have that kind of warfaare and as a dunomaniac it was always a bad representation of dune.
0:16 Oh no. I didnt release that. Welp, there goes my excitement.
2:18 Big sadge. Confirmed my fears.
...extra cheese
Funcom? Some 4x style of game? I don't know. Not positive about it.
The game comes not from Funcom themselves, but from a dev responsible for Northgard, a quite good survival economy strategy game in real-time, with nods to things like Settlers and Cultures. I think they are able to pull this off.
It's a 4x game, not rts though?
It most certainly will not be an RTS. It is a strategy and it will be happening in real-time, but it is absolutely not a Real-Time Strategy. It’s just real-time with pause grand strategy game with 4X elements.
God, I wish developers stopped slapping RTS on anything happening in real-time. It’s a goddamn grift is what it is. They are already getting flamed on forums and discussions for naming themselves an RTS without being neither a proper RTS nor a WestWood Dune RTS. Rightfully so, might I add.
Edit: That being said, I still look forward to this game because I always thought Dune was prime material for a Grand Strategy or 4X game. I'm interested in what they'll have to offer.
Edit 2: Found this posted on Steam forums, explains the situation comprehensively. This RTS thing was a marketing misstep, clearly. Judging by the reception - a substantial one.
"In the english description so different from the german one?
because in the german description it's not labeled as RTS with 4X mechanics.
It's labeled as 4X in realtime with a bit of grand strategy mechanics."
Yeah they dont know what means RTS???? LOL And where is the BASE BUILDING RTS GAME? The studios afraid of it or what?
@@daminguez check some other of my replies in this comment section. Basic gist is that Herbert’s Estate, holders of Dune IP, are hostile towards old WestWood Dune RTS games and want them buried and forgotten.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 What a shame. The game what invent the base building rts.... But Herbert Estate agreed for bringing back an old crappy tabletop game.... lol.
@@daminguez maybe that’s a sign of things changing inside the Estate. Maybe that treatment of those venerable RTS isn’t adamant or universal. We can only hope.
If it is real-time, it's not too far off. Games like Stellaris and Sins of a Solar Empire both fall under "4XRTS" sort of thing
it's NOT an rts then if its 4x
yes, you can have 4x with VERY short turns, and in real time, it has been done sucessfully, but this is usually not a great combination.
@@ollllj it has been done in real-time Grand Strategy titles, but not exactly in RTS games.
EXACTLY! WTH? A game is RTS or 4x. I mean all of the 4x game is turn based so wtf? Or is a Total War style game? The big map is turn based but the fight is real time? But in the pictures is giant units go near little haxagon cities. Its very confusing. But i hope.... Oh and in the steam store page the tags: Rts, 4x, SINGLE PLAYER... oh so we dont get multiplayer? And of course its an early acces game.... because this is now the trend. Dont get me wrong i like this type of games: Crusader Kings III Civ 5 or 6, Gladius or Total War: Warhammer and etc. But if someone tells you: Dune RTS this is not the picture what come your mind. I mean why not make a BASE BUILDING RTS? DUNE II was who invent this thing. If they just want a cash grab this still make sense: come on do a dune rts because they just buy anyway because nostalgia. But no. WHY isn't ANYONE MAKE A DUNE BASE BUILDER RTS ?????
@@daminguez there were 4X real-time titles… Stellaris, Polaris Sector are two off the top of my mind.
@@daminguez nope, it can easily be both.
It's looking like Rise of nations or Rise of legends
Absolutely not, in any way.
I'm not sure how a 4x game falls under RTS...
4X are cool
4X kind of makes me taking a few steps away from it unfortunately.
I hope the game goes beyond just Arrakis. I want to play politics in the Landsraad. Go an conquer/manage other planets in the universe. If you want to make a grand epic strategy game in Dune, you have to go beyond just Arrakis.
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4X ...*yawn*
Lame why is it so hard to just make a damn traditional rts!
Herbert’s Estate, holders of the Dune IP, are notoriously against the old WestWood RTS for some reason, so I don’t think classic RTS will be happening, or even Dune 2000 remaster.
Traditional RTS have been on the back burner in general for a while, outside AoE or SC2, perhaps.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 still I can think of a few prequel books from the Herbert estate that would make really cool RTS's
@@thejusticetvshow9965 Prequel books are generally in very low regard within the hardcore Dune community.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 Just cuz it's part of that community smokes crack doesn't mean I do!
Ожидаем новую игру не rts
Unfortunately, the gameplay video is nothing like Westwood's Dune series, it's far too slow, the only modern Dune game we have is a Dune 2000 clone that is coming up called Barkhan, provided if it can survive a C&D from the Dune owners.
Please play Northgard to get your ass out of whatever you are in now
Turn-based strategies IS my thing, however, these screenshots do not really look inspiring. An Age of Wonders knock-off, mayhaps? It can be fun enough, although I'd venture that the fans of AoW have had enough of it by now, since all Triumph did since the 90s was streamlining and reducing amount of content.
I doubt there can be enough of sufficiently different factions in Dune-verse though; sure, there are a lot of great houses, but can they be as different as separate races in, say, Planetfall? Endless Space? Possible in theory, but a lot of work.
Besides, there are preciously little biom variety on a desert world: unless there will be other worlds playable, the game can go stale really quick. Also, small-scale battles on small battlefields aren't too good for replayability either.
We'll see, I guess. My estimation for this game so far - it'll be akin to Slitherine Software games - not widely known, even if good (which isn't always the case). It looks too niche.
It’s real time.
My bet is that, if you want a taste of what this game will be like, you should check out Shiro's previous "real time 4X" game Northgard, which I haven't played but I have heard good things about.
No thanks I will pass on this
Taskbar on the left side?
You heathen.
XD takes up less screen space. Most websites are vertically oriented with loads of empty space to the left and right, but scroll quite far vertically.
dunc xD
Civ isn't a great analogy as it is turn based, stellaris is a better comparison
Agreed. This Civ comparison is creating all kinds of misunderstandings.
What a shame if it plays like a 4x..
Disagree, Dune universe is perfect for 4X and Grand Strategy genres.
Oh God is jus gonna be a fancier C&C Rivals. The hex has me worried.
hex is the way to go. there where civilization2 variants, that used hex tiles WAY before cov5, and it was better for using hex tiles.
@@ollllj he’s talking about using hexes in real-time. Not about hexes vs squares.
@@ollllj It's not an RTS.
@@Armstrong84 yes, you are correct. But it is real-time grand strategy with 4X elements. Please check game page and Steam tags.
Thanks for the info, I am not a Civ fan at all. CIV is not a REAL TIME Strategy, its turned based... super sad
Nobody is arguing that CIV is real time. Stellaris is real time.
@@affugter I'm arguing that it is not. Just like how if this game is turned based and you have to END. A turn, then it's not real time
@@LucidLegend1984 why even talk about turned based? The screenshots have a pause and play symbol. It is likely going to play out as Stellaris.
@@affugter well that's better. My understanding is that Civ was END TURN based
@@LucidLegend1984 it is. This game is not.
Failcom
Nope thank you...
So not RTS but 4X... Disappointing.
Shame, innit.
Oh no it looks like a cheap cellphone game :( How are these graphics worse than Emperor
What do you think of the new dune show? And why is it garbage?
Wow this dude babbles a lot
I have aspergers. Language and communication, particularly unscripted, are very much my weaknesses. I quite enjoy streaming as an attempt to get better at those things, but it definitely doesn't come naturally at all.
Wow. Now I feel terrible. Sorry brother. Keep it up.
feels like RTS is dying.... I can't recall anything great after Starcraft 2.... it's just sad
I think RTS live on just in the grand strategy/4x branch. I mean PDX main title still doing fine.
But the base building RTS are really can be called near extinction by this point. The Big Corp who still made Base building RTS that I remember are Relic/sega which COH3 aren't really good by now compared to COH2 tho.
Turn based Civ style 4X is not an RTS. Fix your title
It’s not his fault, they clearly advertise themselves as an RTS. Which is a fucking grift, but what can we do.
As described by the publisher/developer, "Dune: Spice Wars is a real-time strategy game with 4X elements", so it would be the 4X subset of the RTS genre, just not a traditional RTS. It's being marketed as a 4X RTS so it makes sense to refer to it as that in the title.
@@NoStringsPrd Its still confusing... :(
I’ve seen you editing the comment. You’re still wrong and it’s not turn based, it’s real-time.
@@NoStringsPrd I'll believe that when I see it.
potential wasted.......