Dear Munro Team - a quick quality suggestion: Please consider filming details like what Sandy was pointing to in the car (infotainment system, buttons) from the passenger seat, or using B-roll. It was very hard to see what Sandy was referring to from this filming perspective. Thank you so much for all the amazing content, and keep it up!!😊❤
Totally agreed, it's pointless having a "presenter" referring, and pointing, to specific things to their right, when the camera is from the left and has to look past the presenter to see anything. It's the same as basic photography when you don't put the subject between the light-source and the camera, unless you you want a blacked-out silhouette :)
Having had a lower spec Q4 40 rwd for over a year I’d say it’s not at all difficult to adapt to. I’ll preface this by saying mine doesn’t have the HUD or regen paddles. Also I’m in Scotland lol. The column stalks as far as I can tell are standard Audi. Left for indicators, high beams and flashing; right for wipers front/rear and screen wash with one click up putting the wipers into Auto where they will stay until you move it again. The extra stalk on the left is Audi’s standard cruise control and works the same as their ICE cars. There are buttons on the steering wheel but no more than my old F10 BWW, or our i3. They can be used as haptics by sliding or you can click on them like normal buttons. I’ve very rarely hit the wrong button, and no more than I’ve done in BMWs with traditional buttons. The instrument cluster uses Audi’s standard Virtual Cockpit which lets you configure and resize various options, but speed, estimated range and battery percentage are always visible. The MMI screen has buttons for home (if you want to use apps etc), radio, media, phone and nav. These shortcuts are always visible and are fairly intuitive. One of the main reasons we went for the Q4 is that the HVAC controls are physical buttons mounted on the dash. No faffing about on screens/menus and no space wasted on the screen for them so the centre screen can be smaller. It also has 4 electric window switches on the driver’s door where VW have gone for 2 in the ID4. The only thing that someone jumping into the Q4 May find different from a regular ICE car with a traditional auto box is B mode. In D the Q4 will coast if you lift off in order to conserve speed. You can also set it to auto regen in D and it will slow for speed limits, roundabouts and junctions. B switches the regen to its max setting (remember some don’t have paddles for this). Unfortunately it doesn’t give full one pedal driving, but it’s pretty close and I rarely have to use the brakes in B mode. It would be nice to have the option to come to a complete stop, surely Audi could have built this in? As it is it behaves like a ICE auto and slows to a creep. If you do use the brake to stop completely you can “hard” press the pedal and it will hold you. Audi have played the game a bit here- anyone who’s trading a recent Audi will have nothing to fear in the Q4. It’s not a bold, crazy electric car with an Audi badge, it’s just an Audi that’s electric! As for price the 50 model (I’m assuming that’s what you have there?) seems too close to the Model Y especially after the price cuts. Mine was under £10 a month more than the ID4 and Skoda Enyaq with the same drivetrain, and the UI stuff seems much better. It’s not perfect but it’s been a great car for me. I’ve done a stack of videos if anyone is interested in what it’s like to live with. Just watch them in a mirror or the steering wheel will be on the wrong (right) side😂😜🏴
This is why the Munro team has so much integrity - they call it how they see it. Thanks Sandy, Cory and the entire team at Munro for keeping the auto industry honest, REGARDLESS of the player.
I don't know what he is complaining about the wiper ? The wiper is 90% the right side handle next to the steering wheel, like it was in the past years. A lot of people in europe and around the world blamed tesla that for wiping the windshild continuously you have to go into a menue on the screen. A lot of people complained in europ that there are not enough buttons and that they remove buttons for volume. I like Sandys Videos but i think he don't understand the marked outside the USA. But in one thing i agree. The touch button are not good in the Q4 E-tron, but if you want to get rid of the touch button buy an Skoda Enyaq :D
@@hurztwaldmeister7560 Hurzt,, wrong on Tesla. Simply push the button on the end of the left stalk to turn on wipers. Or use voice command to activate wipers.
I don't have ID.4 or Q4 eTron but my impression from various forums is that the Audi variant has an infotainment system (and software overall) that actually works right and more buttons instead of everything on the screen - which a lot of people prefer.
7:00 "If you want an ID4 and you want to pay a lot more money, buy an Audi". 😅
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In Audi you get at least bigger driver screen...in ID4 you need magnifier to see it. On the other site Tesla Model S latest version is also disaster... Meaning you need to control turn signals with buttons on steering wheel...crazy Get Audi A4 With 2.0 Tdi...there is all right regarding control of the car...no stupid LCD for AC, normal turn knobs, no capacitive buttons on steering whell
@ Newer versions of AP/FSD signal automatically, so they are (potentially) completely hands-free. Conversely, putting things in a car just because that's the way it was always done before is precisely the outdated mentality that is causing German brands to fall in to obsolescence, and lose market share in markets outside Europe.
@Yes, with Tesla I question some design decisions. I live in Phoenix, and we don't have grass beside the freeways, just gravel. This means on average you replace windshields every two years, but Tesla decided that a single piece of glass is the front windshield, roof, and rear windshield. Sure you can get a wrap to keep the sun from making the interior 180 degrees in the summer, but it will be expensive as heck to replace a windshield hit by a rock. The state actually has laws requiring insurance companies to offer glass insurance, I wonder how much extra it will be for Tesla insurance. Last I checked it was about $50 per year for my ICE vehicle for glass coverage.
Greetings from Neckarsulm Germany, right beside the Audi Factory 🙋🏻♂️ Sandy you are so right. Got a lot of friends that work at Audi. All of them can see and feel everyday that the brand is heading in the wrong direction. So I bought a M3 Tesla and that raised some eyebrows here 😂 Keep Up the good work. Hope VW is waking up ASAP.
Yep, a lot of competitors claim it, although very few Tesla owners with today's cars. My Teslas have excellent fit and finish. My first 2013 Tesla did have a trim off by 1/8" which service easily fixed. Here in California, I'd say the quality level is in the Lexus category (and I had a Lexus too).
@@mortjoer Mallebrok, check the recalls. Tesla has fewer that other manufacturers. Own two Teslas, no build issues. You’ve been in an echo chamber hosted by legacy auto. 😂
As a German i find this video quite funny. Im with you on the points with them cheaping out on the touch controls instead of real dials, but complaining about short access buttons on a steering wheel, or the fact that you can't find the wiper is kind of rediculous. If you drive a new car, you should get accustom with it, before you start driving. And then as a mechanical engineer, i got the ultimate weapon for you. Its called a manual. Just read it buddy. Also those buttons on the steering wheel are pretty self exlplanatory.
Scores and stars lose the interesting nuances this channel is all about. You can then form your own score based on what aspects you value of others, you shouldn't need Sandy or whoever else to put a certain amount of stars on something.
I love my Q4, some things could be improved, but from my perspective it was an easy car to get used too and the build quality and interior are far superior.
I'm a bit biased since I have a Q4, and some of Sandy's complaints are somewhat true. This vehicle wasn't built as a "Tesla killer". It's a transition vehicle to help all the old farts who have been driving Audi for decades get into electric. All the stalks and buttons are what you'll find in every newer Audi. BTW: B mode is full regen (Braking) mode. Almost one pedal, but unfortunately won't completely stop . In D, you can increase/decrease regen, or completely coast, using the paddles.
Fully agree. The real challenge will arise when the customer base that is willing to switch to EV is exhausted (25% of all). AUDI is probably targeting on traditional ICE customers who would consider switching to EV. This is an issue that Tesla does not have. All their customers are new customers and they want EVs. That's very different for traditional car makers that need to keep their customers and safely transition them to then new EV world. Sandy has possibly never thought about that. It is a completely different concept, a different POV.
Munro is salty because the Tesla doesnt have HUD, doesnt have a proper dashboard, problems with phantom breaking, build quality far worse than Audi. He is an Tesla fan. Q4 is far from perfect, but he's takes are just ridicolous. Prekliči Odgovori
I own a BMW i3 for nearly four years now, and a (real) E-Tron and BMW iX3. I hate one pedal driving, and I love the sailing mode in the larger vehicles. The iX3 is also full OPD, when I switch it to B, but never do this. So I like to have the choice with a lever and no manufacturer that forces me to OPD
Sandy couldn't find windshield wipers in Q4 🙂 They are exactly in same stick in right hand side as with all cars since 70 years when Sandy was still wearing diapers. If you don't know what's difference between D and B mode, you should say nothing about any EV. Ql4 has single pedal mode (B-mode), just without absolute stop. In addition Q4 has automatic smooth slowdown with recuperation if you pass speed limit sign or approach crossing/roundabout. If you are pro, you should understand that single pedal driving is way less efficient than ghosting mode. And ghosting is much more relaxing. In city or otherwise heavy traffic I use adaptive cruising control, which is way more convenient with Q4. Short touch on accelerator pedal after traffic lights turns green and Q4 smoothly accelerates behind the car in front, while you can relax and enjoy the ride. My wife doesn't have degree in engineering and she picked up center console volume dial at first try, but maybe because she is only 57 years old... Q4 is not ICE with battery pack slapped in. Sandy should even once try to visit back seat to understand that. Huge difference. Q4 is excellent winter car you don't need to pre heat cabin even in winter time, since you feel warm air flow within minute when you sit in to car even starting -20C after cold night. What comes to usability due HUD arrangement, what should we say compared to some American T-model, which doesn't have speed or any status info visible on drivers field of view. You have to turn your head 45 degrees to down-right to search windshield vipers 'button', which is behind non haptic menu. All there in tablet slapped to central console, totally wrong place from traffic safety point of view. No wonder it needs 12 cameras to protect you from collision with other vehicles while sandy navigates non haptic tablet menus. It should be very basic traffic safety knowledge that accident risk is there every time you have to turn your head 45degrees down right to controls that don't have haptic feedback, meaning you really have to look where you touch in tablet screen. One who doesn't understand these basic rules, should not do EV reviews. Reviews that has so strong US vs others bias that it smells even through computer monitor. You really should come to 2020s in this regard, your followers are not such stupid as you seem to think.
I remember and this was 20 years ago I went outside my office for a smoke break there were of course cars parked all over but my attention was drawn to 3 identical white cars parked side by side. I wandered over thinking this was some sort of sales promotion or even just a batch of people who had rented 3 cars the same from a car hire rental even when I got close they all looked the same make and model. It was not until I actually got close and walked around the cars that I saw that these identical cars were from three different manufacturers and the only way to tell was looking at the badges.
I own a Q4 and most of his observations are not that good. It does have one pedal driving you can also adjust the aggressiveness of the regenerative braking from a little to a lot. Also my wife who is barely able to use an iPhone, figured out the volume dial immediately. I debated between the Audi Q4 and the ID4, I noticed a big difference in design and quality of the interior. I have driven the car 3k miles and have yet to have to look at the owners manual to figure anything out. I would hate to see his opinion of my Jeep Gladiator if he thinks the Q4 is poorly designed.
Absolutely and the fact VAG are returning to buttons after millions of complaints over basic functions being hidden within menu's is testament to the fact its safer and easier to operate mechanical buttons.
It's a Volkswagen thing for sure. I recall having the Touareg and discovering new functions each week as a new switch or paddle function was discovered! I think it's a German obsession with aircraft cockpits, they love the idea of a million switches to play with and the stripes on the shirt that say you can operate it! :D
Touareg? You have to see a Porsche then. Google the interior of a Panamera or Cayenne, and look at all those buttons! They literally dedicate a button to every single thing. If you can solve something with a knob you can twist to choose from 5 settings, porsche will replace that with 5 separate buttons. I never understood how such an expensive serious brand can get away with all that wasted space. No freakin' cupholders or storage space because they put a shit ton of buttons that you use once or twice a year, when the seasons change. I usually have one temperature setting for winter, one for summer and never touch those knobs again.
Modern electric cars should have buttons like this car. Not everything should be like a tesla. One pedal sucks, your foot starts hurting after some time
Correct. However, the car won’t come to a full stop. You’ll have to push the brake pedal to do that. Audi’s ‘mother’ company VAG promised “one pedal driving” a long time ago, but still didn’t deliver.
We’re obsessed with this idea that the human/machine interface needs to constantly evolve. More tech, buttonless panels, functions multiple layers deep, it’s ludicrous from a human factors and usability perspective. Sometimes an honest to goodness knob, switch, or lever is actually ideal for the mission. But of course that ain’t sexy come auto show time.
0:20 - From the side this cannot be an id.4 due to its SUV coupé style roof line. So it's an Audi Q4 e-tron Sportback. 4:33 - you could turn up and down the volume of the radio on the center console in this video right away. Yes, it is rotary logic. 5:07 - "I could not figure out, how to turn on the windshield wiper!" Really? There is a nice wiper stalk where it used to be for a million years: on the right hand side of the steering column. You can also set it to "Auto" there. Looks like you are getting old. 6:02 - B is "High brake energy recuperation" - it is like DRIVE but with more recuperation. You can use it for downhill-driving. This "Brake" mode is known from automatic transmissions for a long time 6:20 For one-pedal mode: use B. Energy efficiency and therefore range though will suffer from using B. So, D is the better option in general. BTW: VW/Audi already designed an updated user interface for MEB cars to be released in 2023. This video was nonsense, from my point of view. Simple rants, nothing of any value.
Exactly. Pretty sure he's dismantled enough vehicles to know where the wiper stalk is an what "B" is. My question is why the hell did Tesla put the drive selection where the wipers go! 😂
@@devons2381 In the USA, the drive selector has always been on the left side of the steering wheel. They originally used the same position, design, and parts as Mercedes. I don't know what they did for RHD markets. So here, Tesla used the same standard as many others.
I've had many Audi's in my life and have always paid their high price [for a VW like product] because of the great ergonomics, beautiful Bauhaus-inspired design styling and good general build quality. If I look at my current A4 in detail, I am astounded at the lack of both good ergonomic design and honest build quality. The buttons fail early, don't work in terms of ergonomics and the car is clearly designed with Pre-determined product obsolescence in mind. "Everything will be worn out by 200kkm". My first TDI lasted 500kkm with no issues [1000km range on a 48l tank of diesel!] The next generation lasted 400 [1990's], the next gen lasted 350 [200's] and the next, 250. I take care of my cars, I pay a high price for them [chunks of my life] and have been loyal to Audi. My current Audi is KAPUT at 215kkm. Everything is worn out! MADE TO FAIL. Flimsy! ...... As an Electrical Engineer and Industrial designer, I have to admit that my professional opinion is that this sucks! I am no longer seeking and Audi as my next car, after 30years at the wheel of the 4 circles. I note their presence on the list of the 'You shall own nothing and be appy" club, with great sadness. Herr Hoch would be doing high RPM's in his grave, if he were to see the sorry state of the once wonderful marque that he created. Sandy you're quite right, of course. SAD, very sad.
Sandy, I love your videos and wisdom. As an automotive professional grow up in Detroit worked in VW in China for 8 years. The B mode is for one pedal driving. Agree with you on what Q4 Etron really is. Never try to fool a customer especially an informed customer.
This was built for the European market were people are more reluctant to change, especially ICE car owners so in order to transition to electric cars big manufacturers have to do it gradually. That’s why they have all those buttons and controls… so normal people can switch to these without re-learning how to operate it.
VAG have been doing this for years - their whole line up (in the same class) is the basically the same car with every increasing trim , engines and badges . Soda, Seat, Cupra, VW, Audi, Porsche, Bentley and Lamborghini. The 'B' mode is the brake regen driving mode.
That’s great - you were so sad at the end - you’re just being honest and telling it like it is and it frustrates the heck out of you to see these large companies doing it sooo badly! 👍🏻
Funny that us with the car, love it all day long. Non of the things in the video makes sense. Before buing a car, you do some research and if you dont like you see or read... then move on. No more no less.
The Q4 has had a great reception in Europe and having driven the ID4 and the Q4, I can't relate to anything this guy is saying in this video. The fact he calls the interior and dash 'old fashioned' is beyond belief. I haven't seen an American car with as modern or as nice interior as anything Audi produce to be brutally honest.
Well, B is the regen mode like in pretty much every other car. The wiper is on the right lever like on pretty much every other car I've driven so far. Heads up display might not be optimal but at least exists unlike in the Ts. So I find your comments quite exagerated. Is the Audi Q4 overpriced ? Yes probably. Is this a spinof version of the ID4 ? For sure but nothing new here, VW group has been doing this for pretty much 20 years now and with success. (Same with Stellantis and RN by the way). The MEB is a good first attempt at mass electric vehicle production, not perfect of course but who is ? Last but not least, this is primarly targetting the european market not the US with its compactness and it's impressive turn radius very convenient in cities.
yes well, if your a new car buyer and you step into this ergonomic nightmare, WTF may be your response too. If your part of the team that doesnt care or is too readily impressed, good luck to you. Ergonomics training has been around for many years, lol.
While range anxiety is a top factor in deciding on the switch to EV, aerodynamics will be a huge factor in design. There is only one MOST aerodynamic shape. The quest for maximum range will make every car tend closer and closer to that ideal aerodynamic shape. That will make all cars tend to look the same. It happened in the 1970s and 80s during the oil crisis. Once people get over their idea that they need to go 1000 miles between charging, they'll begin to consider styling in their car purchases again. It's a cycle, we're just at the "boring" point in the cycle right now.
I prefer real buttons. Tried the Tesla wirh just a screen and I found changing anything while driving meant taking my eyes off the road. With buttons muscle memory enables you to just push the button, turn the dial.etc without looking. Really like Head up display and steering wheel controls for the same reason. Waiting for a smaller EV that costs $25,000 that has less gadgets and
It's refreshing to hear an honest review that is not tainted by the need to please advertisers. I quit reading the car magazines eons ago when I discovered that they never found a car thay didn't like due to the ad on the next page.
I follow a lot of YT car reviewers and I don’t understand where all of this “bought” and “dishonest” is coming from. Sandy however doesn’t provide any useful criticism, it’s just incoherent rambling. Give the poor guy a script next time and explain to him how a modern car works.
It's amazing that some legacy auto makers that have been around since before our grand parents were born might disappear just because they are stuck in a rut of old ideas.
Jack Rickard once explained to me that in the face of a disruptive technology, the biggest companies will be the first to fall. Even if they want to turn their ship around, they are too big and not maneuverable. They are unable to adapt, so they become extinct. The best we can hope for is that their assets will be sold off at pennies on the dollar to smaller, newer companies who are able to put those assets to good use.
I've had many Audi's in my life and have always paid their high price [for a VW like product] because of the great ergonomics, beautiful Bauhaus-inspired design styling and good general build quality. If I look at my current A4 in detail, I am astounded at the lack of both good ergonomic design and honest build quality. The buttons fail early, don't work in terms of ergonomics and the car is clearly designed with Pre-determined product obsolescence in mind. "Everything will be worn out by 200kkm". My first TDI lasted 500kkm with no issues [1000km range on a 48l tank of diesel!] The next generation lasted 400 [1990's], the next gen lasted 350 [200's] and the next, 250. I take care of my cars, I pay a high price for them [chunks of my life] and have been loyal to Audi. My current Audi is KAPUT at 215kkm. Everything is worn out! MADE TO FAIL. Flimsy! ...... As an Electrical Engineer and Industrial designer, I have to admit that my professional opinion is that this sucks! I am no longer seeking and Audi as my next car, after 30years at the wheel of the 4 circles. I note their presence on the list of the 'You shall own nothing and be appy" club, with great sadness. Herr Hoch would be doing high RPM's in his grave, if he were to see the sorry state of the once wonderful marque that he created. Sandy you're quite right, of course. SAD, very sad.
If it has a start button, they are already off to a bad start. That mentality is all through the car. And it shows, no frunk, no one foot driving, its like getting into a Modal A from the turn of the century.
Very high barrier of entry. Think about it: the the MUNRO team’s expertise, if it was easy to get a loan for a plant, get the machines/robots, hire and train workers, and make a few phone calls/emails to line up suppliers, there would be a MUNRO car.
I am an automotive engineer working for an European OEM (definitely not VAG). I appreciate a lot your videos and I learn a lot from you and your team. Thank you for that. But, I'm sorry to say, from time to time you should be less arrogant and recognise that you don't know everything. Someone with such a big experience in automotive industry and in benchmarking currently sold EV, should automatically understand the meaning of B in the shifter. And, if you don't, it should take you 30 seconds driving in open road moving the shifter to realise what is it for.
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I have owned an Audi e-Tron since May 2022. It offers an option of controlling the vehicle more with your hands than feet. Thats where the paddles and levers come in. I only need to use the foot pedals at slow speed. It took about a week to get use to this option. Now it is second nature. Audi does provide an excellent user guide to its features. I test drove every EV available locally before making a purchase decision. The Audi e-Tron was the most comfortable by far.
If you own it then all those issues become irrelevant. It takes only once to learn what a button does. If you rent a car then it is a different story, but then it will also depend on your personal experience driving other cars. I bet if you drove other Audi cars before, then you would be right at home and will know how it works.
Sandy, you're like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino who wield engineering as his weapon of choice. You tell it like it is and the subscribers appreciate the candid perspectives. On a separate note, you might appreciate comedic timing of the mid video ad being an Audi one for the very vehicle you're talking about.
Sandy Munro: a normal consumer like all of us but with a genius engineer mind with the ability to explain things in a simple understanding way. Thnks Munro and Associates for the enlightenment before I spend tons of money on something.
Recently drove the e-tron 55 and previously tried the Q4 50, great cars and drive and liked the physical buttons on and the interior in general. Driven an electric car for 8 years, does not like being locked to one pedal driving. Driving mostly country roads and motorways, a pedal feels like driving with the handbrake on. With my current electric car Skoda Enyaq 80x, I can choose between D and B, drive with D and can manually control the regeneration via a paddle behind the steering wheel (same system on Q4). If I drive in town, I switch over to B mode. The Skoda Enyaq shares the same platform (MEB) as the AUDI Q4. I don't see the problem with this, it is also common among manufacturers to keep costs down. The new Jeep Avenger, which has been voted car of the year here in Europe 2023, also shares a platform with, among other models, a Opel Mokka E and Peugeot 2008e. Just as I enjoy driving practical family electric car, I cherish every time I drive my factory original 1980 Jeep CJ7 with AMC258 and T5 manual.
The “B” on the shifter is likely the hyper regen mode (1-pedal mode). Good observation on the HUD, I wonder if it’s user configurable. And I totally agree with making the vehicle interfaces as intuitive as possible, but there will always need to be some level of onboarding when folks purchase new vehicles.
I had to Google how to see the odometer in my 2019 VW Atlas. I'm a software engineer. It is only shown in very certain circumstances, like when you turn the car on, but before you put it in drive. I was going nuts.
It’s ironic that Sandy complains about the car, not having one pedal driving, and in the same video complains that he doesn’t understand what the letter B on the gear selector does. If he had just read the manual, he would’ve found out that those two complaints cancel each other out. he also uses a lot of energy and describing how proud he is of his wife’s qualifications and yet she could not figure out the volume selector. It’s a reoccurring theme in Sandy’s videos that he talks trash about European cars and all the time refers to how Tesla would have done it I’m disappointed I thought the guy had some useful knowledge to share but it turns out he’s nothing but a tesla fan boy. Don’t get me wrong I don’t have anything against Tesla, which I think in many aspects is a great car, but disguising advertisement as a review it’s insulting to the viewer
This is why I watch this channel!!! Every other channel wants the sponsorship and the money and other stuff that car companies throw at them so they can say good things about their cars, but this channel keeps it straightforward and quite frankly doesn't car about none of that!!! Keep up the great work!!!
I don't like to contradict people so I will just say, every thing you have dissed on this car is why I have just ordered the new 2024 model. I get it in May. It has proper controls for the windscreen wipers. Just like every car I have ever driven. Maybe I am missing something here.
So nagging aside, what is the constructive criticism on this man's perspective? When facing a new product/idea/philosophy, it is always good to have someone present said thing. I come from Volvo and none of what Sandy was saying stood out as being out of this world complexe. It is VW AG's fault for taking a current functioning interior and slapping an ID.4 under carriage on the platform. VW Group is NOT the only one doing this as cost to develop a new platform runs in the hundreds of millions of dollars. A quick Google session will indicate that "B" for for Regenerative Braking. The paddles behind the steering wheel is to increase or decrease said Regen Braking. I ordered an ID.4 and think that for the money, it is alright. Deep down, I WANT the nicer interior, better fit and finish EVEN IF I will have less range than an ID.4. Same specs, but with less range. It is a trade off for those who want a 1-2 notches higher. I applaud VW Group for not going EVERYTHING IS IN THE SCREEN philosophy that all new car manufacturer's are going. VW Started this new trend in the ID.4 and it has made it's way down in the Golf GTI/R, and 2024 Atlast as well. It is a BAD system with no overthought or any consideration with what is useful to the user experience. As for the HUD and speed on the left, although possibly against text book protocol, it is still in a good spot where a quick eye movement can tell you your speed without keep your eyes off the road. At one point, this becomes a personal preference over a safety concern.
Where has Sandy been all his life? Audi is literally a VW that costs more. In Europe, Seat is a VW that costs less. That's the brand. It's like Toyota with Lexus.
Dear Sandy, The ”B” on the drive mode selector is for the regenerative braking (one pedal driving) mode. This is now a standard on the most electric vehicles in Europe to make the switching between the modes more intuitive. The “D” therefor is for free rolling. Love your videos. Best regards from Sweden!
Yes, and this nomenclature has been used on the Bolt since it’s inception. It’s hard to believe that Monroe needs to step up their game a little bit and do their homework. Good video to the overall point of slapping another grill on and calling it a completely different vehicle.👍
@@phenex551 if i stepped into one yesterday, i too would have had no clue as to what the B stood for. And reading the comments, nobody knows for sure how the regen works on this car. A total user interface failure. I have read 5 different ways its supposed to work. If you read what everyone who owns an EV says, one pedal driving is fantastic, so you would think going your own way is pretty much going to mean re inventing the wheel. And VW has been so good at that lately, NOT!
'B' should be the default, with a toggle in the settings, per driver, for old-style driving. It makes no sense to default to something unexpected for an EV and use nonstandard nomenclature to switch it back the way it should be.
Even the marketing people did not do they're home work when the named of this vehicle was suggested. I'm sure Audi would have a few concern that in the Robert and Larousse French dictionaries the definition of the word ''ETRON'' is ''Molded excrement (from humans and some animals).''
I cannot believe what i just heard… « dont know what the B stands for »…. Do your homework… That is the one pedal driving!! « Can’t find the wipers?! » … its exacly the same place as all cars LOL (Tesla one is hidden in a screen). Platform sharing is the norm in the car industry VW and Audi , GM, Ford etc have all been doing this for years to reduce cost. This is a ground up EV platform . Not an ICE car. And on this platform there will be many more models coming out soon like the ID Buzz etc. Cheers 😂
Sandy you're wrong!! (I can't believe I'm saying this 🤭) B is Brake mode. (That's one pedal driving to you). Personally I don't like one pedal driving so I leave mine in D and use the flappy paddles to limit my speed down hill. I also like the predictive speed limiter and the way that the car slows down on it's own when you approach a junction or catch up with the car in front. So far I'm loving this car. P.S. I'm 62 years old and coming from a 6 year old Audi A3 I found everything quite intuitive. Keep up the great work that you do. I enjoyed the rant.😁
B / D: The Prius started this I think, it was meant so you could break with the engine going downhill when re-gen would not be enough in order not to wear out or overheat the brakes. B is the "Brake" mode where the ICE would be coupled for engine braking, in D there would only be the bit of re-gen. The LEAF also has this (besides e-pedal, which also uses the brake pads), as do the electric BMW's. Only now it's sort of a mode to get more re-gen from the accelerator pedal instead from the brake pedal. It's pretty old fashioned, but also meant for old fashioned folks who don't like change and just want a car to keep on rolling when you let go of the pedal. I don't get it either....
It’s no more buttons than a BMW steering wheel, or even my old Citroen C3😂 They flex as it is one panel which can be used as haptic or you can press on the panel and the buttons click like normal.
Jumped in a Q4 for a test run and everything was where it should be. Buttons for things that needed to be operated quickly, touch screen for other items. It was quiet, performed well, rode well and was well built with no squeeks or rattles. Then went to a ride in a Tesla model 3 ( my neighbours). No head up display at all, no android auto or apple car play,everything touch operated, great when your at a standstill but hopeless when driving, its ride was rock hard and rattles came from every corner of the car. And fit and finish was poor. Must admit his car was made in the USA, China built cars better built. I will stick with Audi or something German.
I've owned an ID.4 for just under 2yrs now, and I've come to love the D or B choice. In town or in the hills, B mode... It doesn't come to a complete stop, but it does slow until 2mph. On the highway, D mode. I can coast behind another car until it is safe to pass. I get much better range by not constantly speeding up/slowing down. I usually kick off the adaptive cruise just to utilize this feature. Only criticism, other than the infotainment system, is the rear drum brakes. They groan like crazy.
Here in Europe/ Norway the «B» on the gearshifter is well understood. Norway has had the E-golf since early 2014 and electric VW products has ever since been very common and popular. For me the «B» is intuitive. Saying this as a neutral person, that drives a Tesla.
This guy is mega clever and not many can keep up with his knowledge on cars. HOWEVER- on this occasion he’s let himself down. Simply because he’s critiqued the car negatively (every right to). However he didn’t know how it’s works and that was his basis for the negativity. Should of done his homework better on this one. Not knowing what B mode is and complaining about all the buttons because he didn’t know what they did isn’t they way to do it..
At 74 years old, I have participated in automobile evolution as a consumer for over 60 years. Our Tesla Model X has far fewer physical controls than cars of yesteryear, but some of the soft controls are less than intuitive and I was particularly upset that it took multiple screen touches to dig down and either mute or enable the navigation voice assist, which seemed uncharacteristically cumbersome for Tesla. So I considered the easiest possible way to perform the task and pressed the voice command button on the steering wheel and asked for the navigation voice to be muted, then enabled, and it worked like a dream. How to use complexity to achieve simplicity is, indeed, an art form in itself. Jess
If it's like the other cars I've been in, B is a mode that increases the regenerative braking and its amount is most probably controlled by the paddle shifters (Because why would there be a pair on an EV anyway?) That would solve the 1 pedal driving issue I guess But I agree, German EVs have mostly all been trash up to now. They tried to reinvent something they were doing good and just needed to be re-engined
Because B is just "set it and forget it" full regen all the time. In D you get control over the level without tapping on a screen to make adjustments. I think Hyundai and Kia are like this too
Audi's primary target demographic is..... Audi drivers! and most of the things you complain about are things the existing Audi drivers will find comfortable and familiar. It doesn't sound like you've spent much time with that car before passing judgement. Every car I've ever owned has had some sort of learning curve before I was comfortable in it. I don't want to live in a world where every car is a copy of Tesla, I'm glad there are choices. I've got a rental reservation for a Tesla this afternoon and I've been getting e-mailed training videos and online classes for 2 weeks, just so I can figure out how to get in the car and drive it, so apparently the rental car company doesn't find Tesla to be very intuitive. I've rented a lot of strange stuff over the years and I've never had training material sent to me to learn how to operate any other car so I can only conclude that the rental car company finds Tesla to be the least intuitive of any car they have ever rented. I'm not defending Audi. I looked at the 2023 Q4 e-tron through the window a few months ago and I could tell it was a watered-down version of our 2019 55 and it was very disappointing that it was so obvious that little had changed in 4 years, and the software wasn't good 4 years ago.
Very interesting, the new Audi sounds like my wife's 2017 eGolf. If you want regen, you shift to B. But it's not much regen in the golf, no kind of one-pedal driving. It sounds like Audi decided to make the anti-Tesla, with a million buttons etc.
Hello Sandy, here in Europe we have another MEB car, the Skoda Enyaq. Out of all the test drives this was the best one. Premium feeling interior, only a few buttons, very organized and cheaper than the ID. 4 too. Unfortunately not for sale in America but this is a great car for America.
@@MarcoNierop I did manage to drive the M3P 😜 My parents have one. I like the interior more on mine. Infotainment is a different story, Tesla is lightyears ahead on that.
@@marcohillenga5068 I choose the Model Y,.more range with a smaller battery, adds up, especially right now with expensive electric rates.. And I love the simplistic tranquility interior.. I felt right at home... And I can tow 1600kg, which is important for me. The huge boot is amazing, a perfect car for camping.
I think there’s plenty to criticise on the ID4/Q4, particularly around value, range and performance. But not being able to work out the windscreen wipers, or what the widely used B mode is pretty ridiculous. Similarly I can easily tell the sides apart, because I read about cars. The average person would probably struggle to tell most mid sized SUV sport backs apart. Agreed there’s plenty to criticise VW for, but I don’t think Sandy is being reasonable on this one.
As much as the other team members know their stuff, Sandy is way more fun to listen to. Give me a grumpy old man everyday please. So much more entertaining 😂
B should be the OnePedalDrive-mode. :-)) I could be wrong but when i was test-driving the Seat mii electric i had to drive it in B for recuperation. Somewhere there was also a "hidden" procedure to adjust the recuperation. To master all challenges i had to read the instruction manual on the road. First time in years. Best wishes from Vienna, Franz
On the Audi e-tron you can set recuperation to manual (MMI -> Vehicle -> Efficiency Assistant -> Recuperation). Then every time you start a drive, set recuperation to the max with the steering wheel recuperation paddles, and then it will regenerate every time you lift your foot off the “throttle pedal” and works as “one-pedal-driving.”
You say it’s not intuitive, but you think a Tesla is? The Tesla has a bigger learning curve than this. With regard to the steering wheel stalks, they’ve always been there so I really don’t understand what the difficulty is.
My thoughts on interiors for EVs: 1. Don't make them look weird just because it's an EV drivetrain. 2. I like buttons, but use them for the right things. Anything you commonly use should be a button. switch, or knob. If you can't use it with driving gloves in the winter while not taking your eyes off the road, it is useless. Things like door controls, HVAC, seat controls, A/V tuning and volume. Anything else you set once in a blue moon can be buried in some touch screen menu. 3. I don't want a big iPAD display that will be hopelessly out of date in 10 years or be expensive to fix. A good cell phone (that is kept more up to date) holder with wireless charging works fine for me for those infrequent uses for maps. 4. Make the sound system accept bluetooth wireless audio directly without having to use some carplay into some other device. Simple is good.
Finally a great EV. Nice styling, good build quality and a decent amount of buttons to find your way through the functions. So what if it uses shared underpinnings and if some people aren't savvy enough to get the workings and finer details? It's not like all other EV's are that pretty, that functional, that well build, that well engineered.
Are you still talking about the etron q4? Since its a reskin of id4... 10 years after Tesla making EVs and yet audi manage to give you a worse option. No trunk, a start button on a EV, no 1 pedal drive, slow entertainment system. 90% of buttona in a car you rarely use. Gps you setup before you drive, so does the airco/heating and the music. What else you need during driving? Windshield wipers and blinkers which all are on the wheel or stocks. All those buttons you are paying for and add no value to the car. Once you drive a tesla for a month you realize that there is no need for 50 buttons and the cost of it. You can use a smartphone? Good you can control a tesla... with this car you need the manual to find out what it can do and how to do it. Let not forget this car is more expensive than a model Y and has drum brakes, half the performance, 20% less range... how is this quality in engineering? If china can make better cars than audi other than finish, you have a problem.
@@pipooh1 It’s about choice. Some people just want worse cars, you can’t force everyone to get the best option. Besides, the Audi has Tesla beat with 7 exterior colors, all different hues between silver and blue.
Grumpy old man... sorry to say.. I have a Skoda Enyaq and a Audi Q4. 2 great cars build on the same MEB platform each with there own personality. And if, sorry to say, you wife with a degree cant operate the vol. then a car like his is not for her nor you. Have a great one.. From a happy MEB platform owner...
I've had many Audi's in my life and have always paid their high price [for a VW like product] because of the great ergonomics, beautiful Bauhaus-inspired design styling and good general build quality. If I look at my current A4 in detail, I am astounded at the lack of both good ergonomic design and honest build quality. The buttons fail early, don't work in terms of ergonomics and the car is clearly designed with Pre-determined product obsolescence in mind. "Everything will be worn out by 200kkm". My first TDI lasted 500kkm with no issues [1000km range on a 48l tank of diesel!] The next generation lasted 400 [1990's], the next gen lasted 350 [200's] and the next, 250. I take care of my cars, I pay a high price for them [chunks of my life] and have been loyal to Audi. My current Audi is KAPUT at 215kkm. Everything is worn out! MADE TO FAIL. Flimsy! ...... As an Electrical Engineer and Industrial designer, I have to admit that my professional opinion is that this sucks! I am no longer seeking and Audi as my next car, after 30years at the wheel of the 4 circles. I note their presence on the list of the 'You shall own nothing and be appy" club, with great sadness. Herr Hoch would be doing high RPM's in his grave, if he were to see the sorry state of the once wonderful marque that he created. Sandy you're quite right, of course. SAD, very sad.
Something I noticed with VW (I have had 3 of them) is that they make the easy things hard and the hard things easy. This is true for everything from maintenance to using them. Its like someone made them, never used it, then moved on to designing the next iteration of it. Tow points? Nahhh, who will ever need those. STUPID!. Extra glove box in the drivers side. BRILLIANT!. Atlas' fuel door location indicator pointing almost empty permanently. STUPID!. Top mounted oil filter. BRILLIANT!...you get the point
I've had many Audi's in my life and have always paid their high price [for a VW like product] because of the great ergonomics, beautiful Bauhaus-inspired design styling and good general build quality. If I look at my current A4 in detail, I am astounded at the lack of both good ergonomic design and honest build quality. The buttons fail early, don't work in terms of ergonomics and the car is clearly designed with Pre-determined product obsolescence in mind. "Everything will be worn out by 200kkm". My first TDI lasted 500kkm with no issues [1000km range on a 48l tank of diesel!] The next generation lasted 400 [1990's], the next gen lasted 350 [200's] and the next, 250. I take care of my cars, I pay a high price for them [chunks of my life] and have been loyal to Audi. My current Audi is KAPUT at 215kkm. Everything is worn out! MADE TO FAIL. Flimsy! ...... As an Electrical Engineer and Industrial designer, I have to admit that my professional opinion is that this sucks! I am no longer seeking and Audi as my next car, after 30years at the wheel of the 4 circles. I note their presence on the list of the 'You shall own nothing and be appy" club, with great sadness. Herr Hoch would be doing high RPM's in his grave, if he were to see the sorry state of the once wonderful marque that he created. Sandy you're quite right, of course. SAD, very sad.
@@leobard7767 I appreciate your honesty Leo! As the retired owner of a SoCal German focused repair shop ( Porsche,Audi,VW), with a Dyno Dynamics Dyno Cell(and plenty of exotic tunes from Nissan Sylvia 4/6 cylinder turbo drift cars, POC/PCA authorized Dyno, hot rods) in SoCal for 26 years…I was a devoted VW fan since my first brand new ‘83 mk1 GTI I got for college in Boston….migrating to SoCal after school to work at Zender in Torrance,Ca and many others, I’ve owned 20 VW,Audis and serviced thousands….quality has been going down hill……I see VW ICE technical peak as the 2006/2007 GTI/Audi A3 2.0 T with DSG transmission…. Minus all its numerous inherent weaknesses …..Coil packs (even after the 1.8t class action lawsuit) carbon deposits, intake flaps, window regulators, shrinking wire harnesses, heater cores/foam, and electrical failures galore 🙄 And there was Dieselgate😱 I could go on forever with recalls…..the public is kept ignorant😎
The B stands for breaking.. It’s the regen mode for one pedal driving. It actually works way smoother then shifting between 4 different levels on Korean cars.
@@jmwarden1 Škoda is a part of the VAG group, basically Audi = VW = Škoda. You won't see it in NA, only in Europe. Enyaq was also built on the same MEB3 platform (you can just Google it), and it's selling quite well as Škoda is internally doing a good job, although, in the grand scheme of things, they all lack the pacing and "visionarism" of the guys like Rivian and Tesla. They remind me of Nokia, acting a bit stubborn while also being consumed by themselves and the inert/non-flexible system they've created. Their reaction time from idea to realization/making a change is painstakingly afwul.
Dear Munro Team - a quick quality suggestion: Please consider filming details like what Sandy was pointing to in the car (infotainment system, buttons) from the passenger seat, or using B-roll. It was very hard to see what Sandy was referring to from this filming perspective.
Thank you so much for all the amazing content, and keep it up!!😊❤
Exactly 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Totally agreed, it's pointless having a "presenter" referring, and pointing, to specific things to their right, when the camera is from the left and has to look past the presenter to see anything.
It's the same as basic photography when you don't put the subject between the light-source and the camera, unless you you want a blacked-out silhouette :)
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Take a few more minutes in post to run thru the buttons that Sandy was pushing. Doesn't even have to be sandy pushing the buttons
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he should just created an update of his id4 summation... its crap
Having had a lower spec Q4 40 rwd for over a year I’d say it’s not at all difficult to adapt to. I’ll preface this by saying mine doesn’t have the HUD or regen paddles. Also I’m in Scotland lol.
The column stalks as far as I can tell are standard Audi. Left for indicators, high beams and flashing; right for wipers front/rear and screen wash with one click up putting the wipers into Auto where they will stay until you move it again. The extra stalk on the left is Audi’s standard cruise control and works the same as their ICE cars.
There are buttons on the steering wheel but no more than my old F10 BWW, or our i3. They can be used as haptics by sliding or you can click on them like normal buttons. I’ve very rarely hit the wrong button, and no more than I’ve done in BMWs with traditional buttons.
The instrument cluster uses Audi’s standard Virtual Cockpit which lets you configure and resize various options, but speed, estimated range and battery percentage are always visible.
The MMI screen has buttons for home (if you want to use apps etc), radio, media, phone and nav. These shortcuts are always visible and are fairly intuitive.
One of the main reasons we went for the Q4 is that the HVAC controls are physical buttons mounted on the dash. No faffing about on screens/menus and no space wasted on the screen for them so the centre screen can be smaller. It also has 4 electric window switches on the driver’s door where VW have gone for 2 in the ID4.
The only thing that someone jumping into the Q4 May find different from a regular ICE car with a traditional auto box is B mode. In D the Q4 will coast if you lift off in order to conserve speed. You can also set it to auto regen in D and it will slow for speed limits, roundabouts and junctions. B switches the regen to its max setting (remember some don’t have paddles for this). Unfortunately it doesn’t give full one pedal driving, but it’s pretty close and I rarely have to use the brakes in B mode. It would be nice to have the option to come to a complete stop, surely Audi could have built this in? As it is it behaves like a ICE auto and slows to a creep. If you do use the brake to stop completely you can “hard” press the pedal and it will hold you.
Audi have played the game a bit here- anyone who’s trading a recent Audi will have nothing to fear in the Q4. It’s not a bold, crazy electric car with an Audi badge, it’s just an Audi that’s electric!
As for price the 50 model (I’m assuming that’s what you have there?) seems too close to the Model Y especially after the price cuts. Mine was under £10 a month more than the ID4 and Skoda Enyaq with the same drivetrain, and the UI stuff seems much better. It’s not perfect but it’s been a great car for me.
I’ve done a stack of videos if anyone is interested in what it’s like to live with. Just watch them in a mirror or the steering wheel will be on the wrong (right) side😂😜🏴
Thank you for a sane response to this less than sane rant.
This is why the Munro team has so much integrity - they call it how they see it. Thanks Sandy, Cory and the entire team at Munro for keeping the auto industry honest, REGARDLESS of the player.
Shill for tesla more than obvious...
VW will not give anymore press cars to Munro! 😂
Tesla does it, Model Y and X as well as the Model 3 and S, not that Sandy would admit they look a lot alike.
I don't know what he is complaining about the wiper ? The wiper is 90% the right side handle next to the steering wheel, like it was in the past years. A lot of people in europe and around the world blamed tesla that for wiping the windshild continuously you have to go into a menue on the screen.
A lot of people complained in europ that there are not enough buttons and that they remove buttons for volume. I like Sandys Videos but i think he don't understand the marked outside the USA. But in one thing i agree. The touch button are not good in the Q4 E-tron, but if you want to get rid of the touch button buy an Skoda Enyaq :D
@@hurztwaldmeister7560 Hurzt,, wrong on Tesla. Simply push the button on the end of the left stalk to turn on wipers. Or use voice command to activate wipers.
I don't have ID.4 or Q4 eTron but my impression from various forums is that the Audi variant has an infotainment system (and software overall) that actually works right and more buttons instead of everything on the screen - which a lot of people prefer.
7:00 "If you want an ID4 and you want to pay a lot more money, buy an Audi". 😅
In Audi you get at least bigger driver screen...in ID4 you need magnifier to see it.
On the other site Tesla Model S latest version is also disaster... Meaning you need to control turn signals with buttons on steering wheel...crazy
Get Audi A4 With 2.0 Tdi...there is all right regarding control of the car...no stupid LCD for AC, normal turn knobs, no capacitive buttons on steering whell
Have they fixed the lowest ID4 software in the Audi? ID4 owners are really PO’d with the lack of SW updates and the issues.
@ Newer versions of AP/FSD signal automatically, so they are (potentially) completely hands-free. Conversely, putting things in a car just because that's the way it was always done before is precisely the outdated mentality that is causing German brands to fall in to obsolescence, and lose market share in markets outside Europe.
@Yes, with Tesla I question some design decisions. I live in Phoenix, and we don't have grass beside the freeways, just gravel. This means on average you replace windshields every two years, but Tesla decided that a single piece of glass is the front windshield, roof, and rear windshield. Sure you can get a wrap to keep the sun from making the interior 180 degrees in the summer, but it will be expensive as heck to replace a windshield hit by a rock. The state actually has laws requiring insurance companies to offer glass insurance, I wonder how much extra it will be for Tesla insurance. Last I checked it was about $50 per year for my ICE vehicle for glass coverage.
That's what happens when old and outdated legacy automakers tries to compete with the number of sub brands and models rather than making great cars.
Nothing but respect for Sandy and his team. Love when Sandy gets on a roll.
Respect for the customer is what VW has lost. They've focused on their shareholders gluttony and not on providing the best solution for customers.
@@cybertrk Agree, they've become lazy looking for the easy money
We need a “Sandy-cam”… a mini cam strapped to this index finger!
Greetings from Neckarsulm Germany, right beside the Audi Factory 🙋🏻♂️ Sandy you are so right. Got a lot of friends that work at Audi. All of them can see and feel everyday that the brand is heading in the wrong direction. So I bought a M3 Tesla and that raised some eyebrows here 😂 Keep Up the good work. Hope VW is waking up ASAP.
How are those assembly and fitting problems coming along at Tesla?
@@mortjoer hold up, do you think that happens with every vehicle? 😂
@@jakeroper1096 i do hear a lot about it yes
Yep, a lot of competitors claim it, although very few Tesla owners with today's cars. My Teslas have excellent fit and finish. My first 2013 Tesla did have a trim off by 1/8" which service easily fixed. Here in California, I'd say the quality level is in the Lexus category (and I had a Lexus too).
@@mortjoer Mallebrok, check the recalls. Tesla has fewer that other manufacturers. Own two Teslas, no build issues. You’ve been in an echo chamber hosted by legacy auto. 😂
As a German i find this video quite funny. Im with you on the points with them cheaping out on the touch controls instead of real dials, but complaining about short access buttons on a steering wheel, or the fact that you can't find the wiper is kind of rediculous. If you drive a new car, you should get accustom with it, before you start driving. And then as a mechanical engineer, i got the ultimate weapon for you. Its called a manual. Just read it buddy. Also those buttons on the steering wheel are pretty self exlplanatory.
Munro needs a "Sandy Score". I'm guessing the E-tron gets a solid one-star!
Sandy has real things to talk about, he doesn't need gimmicks like doug demuro.
5 Holy Doodle's would be the worst score.
Wrong channel!
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Scores and stars lose the interesting nuances this channel is all about. You can then form your own score based on what aspects you value of others, you shouldn't need Sandy or whoever else to put a certain amount of stars on something.
Hahahahahaha. I’m all for the sandy score. Since he covers all the cars that are beneath-💸-dough 😂
I love my Q4, some things could be improved, but from my perspective it was an easy car to get used too and the build quality and interior are far superior.
I'm a bit biased since I have a Q4, and some of Sandy's complaints are somewhat true. This vehicle wasn't built as a "Tesla killer". It's a transition vehicle to help all the old farts who have been driving Audi for decades get into electric. All the stalks and buttons are what you'll find in every newer Audi.
BTW: B mode is full regen (Braking) mode. Almost one pedal, but unfortunately won't completely stop .
In D, you can increase/decrease regen, or completely coast, using the paddles.
Fully agree. The real challenge will arise when the customer base that is willing to switch to EV is exhausted (25% of all). AUDI is probably targeting on traditional ICE customers who would consider switching to EV. This is an issue that Tesla does not have. All their customers are new customers and they want EVs. That's very different for traditional car makers that need to keep their customers and safely transition them to then new EV world. Sandy has possibly never thought about that. It is a completely different concept, a different POV.
Devon, yours is the best explanation of this here. Thank you
True but i dont Belive its a viabel strategy, Appel didnt make a Blackberry.
Munro is salty because the Tesla doesnt have HUD, doesnt have a proper dashboard, problems with phantom breaking, build quality far worse than Audi. He is an Tesla fan. Q4 is far from perfect, but he's takes are just ridicolous.
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@@MrWaslich No the Q4 is a pice of German trash.
Your work is always appreciated, Sandy and Team.
I own a BMW i3 for nearly four years now, and a (real) E-Tron and BMW iX3. I hate one pedal driving, and I love the sailing mode in the larger vehicles. The iX3 is also full OPD, when I switch it to B, but never do this. So I like to have the choice with a lever and no manufacturer that forces me to OPD
Sandy couldn't find windshield wipers in Q4 🙂 They are exactly in same stick in right hand side as with all cars since 70 years when Sandy was still wearing diapers.
If you don't know what's difference between D and B mode, you should say nothing about any EV.
Ql4 has single pedal mode (B-mode), just without absolute stop.
In addition Q4 has automatic smooth slowdown with recuperation if you pass speed limit sign or approach crossing/roundabout.
If you are pro, you should understand that single pedal driving is way less efficient than ghosting mode. And ghosting is much more relaxing. In city or otherwise heavy traffic I use adaptive cruising control, which is way more convenient with Q4. Short touch on accelerator pedal after traffic lights turns green and Q4 smoothly accelerates behind the car in front, while you can relax and enjoy the ride.
My wife doesn't have degree in engineering and she picked up center console volume dial at first try, but maybe because she is only 57 years old...
Q4 is not ICE with battery pack slapped in. Sandy should even once try to visit back seat to understand that. Huge difference.
Q4 is excellent winter car you don't need to pre heat cabin even in winter time, since you feel warm air flow within minute when you sit in to car even starting -20C after cold night.
What comes to usability due HUD arrangement, what should we say compared to some American T-model, which doesn't have speed or any status info visible on drivers field of view. You have to turn your head 45 degrees to down-right to search windshield vipers 'button', which is behind non haptic menu. All there in tablet slapped to central console, totally wrong place from traffic safety point of view. No wonder it needs 12 cameras to protect you from collision with other vehicles while sandy navigates non haptic tablet menus.
It should be very basic traffic safety knowledge that accident risk is there every time you have to turn your head 45degrees down right to controls that don't have haptic feedback, meaning you really have to look where you touch in tablet screen.
One who doesn't understand these basic rules, should not do EV reviews. Reviews that has so strong US vs others bias that it smells even through computer monitor. You really should come to 2020s in this regard, your followers are not such stupid as you seem to think.
I remember and this was 20 years ago I went outside my office for a smoke break there were of course cars parked all over but my attention was drawn to 3 identical white cars parked side by side. I wandered over thinking this was some sort of sales promotion or even just a batch of people who had rented 3 cars the same from a car hire rental even when I got close they all looked the same make and model.
It was not until I actually got close and walked around the cars that I saw that these identical cars were from three different manufacturers and the only way to tell was looking at the badges.
And the Japanese burned them all almost to the ground for this and other reasons.
Now EV manufacturers are doing in the Japanese…. paybacks are hell.
I own a Q4 and most of his observations are not that good. It does have one pedal driving you can also adjust the aggressiveness of the regenerative braking from a little to a lot. Also my wife who is barely able to use an iPhone, figured out the volume dial immediately. I debated between the Audi Q4 and the ID4, I noticed a big difference in design and quality of the interior. I have driven the car 3k miles and have yet to have to look at the owners manual to figure anything out. I would hate to see his opinion of my Jeep Gladiator if he thinks the Q4 is poorly designed.
I love the q4 and all the real buttons instead of screen menus 😊
Sandy must love Tesla where you have to use an app to open the glove box :)
Absolutely and the fact VAG are returning to buttons after millions of complaints over basic functions being hidden within menu's is testament to the fact its safer and easier to operate mechanical buttons.
It's a Volkswagen thing for sure. I recall having the Touareg and discovering new functions each week as a new switch or paddle function was discovered! I think it's a German obsession with aircraft cockpits, they love the idea of a million switches to play with and the stripes on the shirt that say you can operate it! :D
It kinda the old way of what OTA does today: every once in a while a new function.
It's pretty common in european cars.
Porsche and RangeRovers cars are way worse than this.
IMO Touareg 7P button layout was very good. Maybe third generetaion Touareg is a mess.
Touareg?
You have to see a Porsche then. Google the interior of a Panamera or Cayenne, and look at all those buttons!
They literally dedicate a button to every single thing.
If you can solve something with a knob you can twist to choose from 5 settings, porsche will replace that with 5 separate buttons.
I never understood how such an expensive serious brand can get away with all that wasted space. No freakin' cupholders or storage space because they put a shit ton of buttons that you use once or twice a year, when the seasons change.
I usually have one temperature setting for winter, one for summer and never touch those knobs again.
@@manu144x gotta be a German thing!
The amount they charge for the Q4 is INSANE.
B is the regen mode afaik.
Also "ID" and "Audi" sound identical when Sandy says them 😂
Does that mean if it was in B Sandy would be able to drive it with one foot using Regen braking?
@@Millermk4 If the question needs to be asked, it's an engineering fail.
@@Millermk4 yes, though it won't come to a full stop, which is stupid
@@Singuy888 I imagine they couldn't call "Regen Mode" as "R", so they did "B" for "Brake Regen Mode".
@@devons2381 The same in Outlander PHEV, it does not allow to fully brake the car and one still has to press the brake pedal at
Modern electric cars should have buttons like this car. Not everything should be like a tesla. One pedal sucks, your foot starts hurting after some time
Love ya sandy. Well said.
Just to add, maybe the B mode is the one pedal drive mode you were looking for. That’s what it was on my plug-in Prius.
Correct. However, the car won’t come to a full stop. You’ll have to push the brake pedal to do that. Audi’s ‘mother’ company VAG promised “one pedal driving” a long time ago, but still didn’t deliver.
Hmm. "B" for Regen, or Single Pedal, or...
@@gregbailey45 Brake, or German Bremse
@@JobBorn86 Everyone knows P is for Brake.
If he drove the ID4, he should know B is for regen, but won't come to a stop. Other than making a full stop, you can drive the car with one pedal.
We’re obsessed with this idea that the human/machine interface needs to constantly evolve. More tech, buttonless panels, functions multiple layers deep, it’s ludicrous from a human factors and usability perspective. Sometimes an honest to goodness knob, switch, or lever is actually ideal for the mission. But of course that ain’t sexy come auto show time.
0:20 - From the side this cannot be an id.4 due to its SUV coupé style roof line. So it's an Audi Q4 e-tron Sportback.
4:33 - you could turn up and down the volume of the radio on the center console in this video right away. Yes, it is rotary logic.
5:07 - "I could not figure out, how to turn on the windshield wiper!" Really? There is a nice wiper stalk where it used to be for a million years: on the right hand side of the steering column. You can also set it to "Auto" there. Looks like you are getting old.
6:02 - B is "High brake energy recuperation" - it is like DRIVE but with more recuperation. You can use it for downhill-driving. This "Brake" mode is known from automatic transmissions for a long time
6:20 For one-pedal mode: use B. Energy efficiency and therefore range though will suffer from using B. So, D is the better option in general.
BTW: VW/Audi already designed an updated user interface for MEB cars to be released in 2023.
This video was nonsense, from my point of view. Simple rants, nothing of any value.
Don’t let the door hit you…
Exactly. Pretty sure he's dismantled enough vehicles to know where the wiper stalk is an what "B" is. My question is why the hell did Tesla put the drive selection where the wipers go! 😂
@@devons2381 In the USA, the drive selector has always been on the left side of the steering wheel. They originally used the same position, design, and parts as Mercedes. I don't know what they did for RHD markets. So here, Tesla used the same standard as many others.
The sadness and disappointment instead of anger was very evident in Sandy's voice and face.
I've had many Audi's in my life and have always paid their high price [for a VW like product] because of the great ergonomics, beautiful Bauhaus-inspired design styling and good general build quality. If I look at my current A4 in detail, I am astounded at the lack of both good ergonomic design and honest build quality. The buttons fail early, don't work in terms of ergonomics and the car is clearly designed with Pre-determined product obsolescence in mind. "Everything will be worn out by 200kkm". My first TDI lasted 500kkm with no issues [1000km range on a 48l tank of diesel!] The next generation lasted 400 [1990's], the next gen lasted 350 [200's] and the next, 250. I take care of my cars, I pay a high price for them [chunks of my life] and have been loyal to Audi. My current Audi is KAPUT at 215kkm. Everything is worn out! MADE TO FAIL. Flimsy! ...... As an Electrical Engineer and Industrial designer, I have to admit that my professional opinion is that this sucks! I am no longer seeking and Audi as my next car, after 30years at the wheel of the 4 circles. I note their presence on the list of the 'You shall own nothing and be appy" club, with great sadness. Herr Hoch would be doing high RPM's in his grave, if he were to see the sorry state of the once wonderful marque that he created. Sandy you're quite right, of course. SAD, very sad.
Sandy, I love your videos and wisdom. As an automotive professional grow up in Detroit worked in VW in China for 8 years. The B mode is for one pedal driving. Agree with you on what Q4 Etron really is. Never try to fool a customer especially an informed customer.
This was built for the European market were people are more reluctant to change, especially ICE car owners so in order to transition to electric cars big manufacturers have to do it gradually. That’s why they have all those buttons and controls… so normal people can switch to these without re-learning how to operate it.
VAG have been doing this for years - their whole line up (in the same class) is the basically the same car with every increasing trim , engines and badges . Soda, Seat, Cupra, VW, Audi, Porsche, Bentley and Lamborghini.
The 'B' mode is the brake regen driving mode.
That’s great - you were so sad at the end - you’re just being honest and telling it like it is and it frustrates the heck out of you to see these large companies doing it sooo badly! 👍🏻
Funny that us with the car, love it all day long. Non of the things in the video makes sense. Before buing a car, you do some research and if you dont like you see or read... then move on. No more no less.
The only fail here is this old guy acting to suit his narrative
The Q4 has had a great reception in Europe and having driven the ID4 and the Q4, I can't relate to anything this guy is saying in this video. The fact he calls the interior and dash 'old fashioned' is beyond belief. I haven't seen an American car with as modern or as nice interior as anything Audi produce to be brutally honest.
Well, B is the regen mode like in pretty much every other car. The wiper is on the right lever like on pretty much every other car I've driven so far. Heads up display might not be optimal but at least exists unlike in the Ts. So I find your comments quite exagerated. Is the Audi Q4 overpriced ? Yes probably. Is this a spinof version of the ID4 ? For sure but nothing new here, VW group has been doing this for pretty much 20 years now and with success. (Same with Stellantis and RN by the way). The MEB is a good first attempt at mass electric vehicle production, not perfect of course but who is ? Last but not least, this is primarly targetting the european market not the US with its compactness and it's impressive turn radius very convenient in cities.
yes well, if your a new car buyer and you step into this ergonomic nightmare, WTF may be your response too. If your part of the team that doesnt care or is too readily impressed, good luck to you. Ergonomics training has been around for many years, lol.
Audi isn’t moving with the times they’re stuck in the past. Sandy knows his stuff
While range anxiety is a top factor in deciding on the switch to EV, aerodynamics will be a huge factor in design. There is only one MOST aerodynamic shape. The quest for maximum range will make every car tend closer and closer to that ideal aerodynamic shape. That will make all cars tend to look the same. It happened in the 1970s and 80s during the oil crisis.
Once people get over their idea that they need to go 1000 miles between charging, they'll begin to consider styling in their car purchases again. It's a cycle, we're just at the "boring" point in the cycle right now.
"Holy Doodle!"
I'm stealing that expression 😂
Recently found your channel. Love it!
Thanks for joining us! We're happy to have you here.
I prefer real buttons. Tried the Tesla wirh just a screen and I found changing anything while driving meant taking my eyes off the road. With buttons muscle memory enables you to just push the button, turn the dial.etc without looking. Really like Head up display and steering wheel controls for the same reason. Waiting for a smaller EV that costs $25,000 that has less gadgets and
It's refreshing to hear an honest review that is not tainted by the need to please advertisers. I quit reading the car magazines eons ago when I discovered that they never found a car thay didn't like due to the ad on the next page.
I follow a lot of YT car reviewers and I don’t understand where all of this “bought” and “dishonest” is coming from. Sandy however doesn’t provide any useful criticism, it’s just incoherent rambling. Give the poor guy a script next time and explain to him how a modern car works.
The „B“ is the one pedal mode in VW cars. Thats why you could not drive it with 1 foot! Still weaker regenerative breaking than Tesla for example.
It's amazing that some legacy auto makers that have been around since before our grand parents were born might disappear just because they are stuck in a rut of old ideas.
Kodak
Polaroid
Blockbuster
Nokia
Blackberry
Ever Ready
The East India Company
Rome
Jack Rickard once explained to me that in the face of a disruptive technology, the biggest companies will be the first to fall. Even if they want to turn their ship around, they are too big and not maneuverable. They are unable to adapt, so they become extinct. The best we can hope for is that their assets will be sold off at pennies on the dollar to smaller, newer companies who are able to put those assets to good use.
I've had many Audi's in my life and have always paid their high price [for a VW like product] because of the great ergonomics, beautiful Bauhaus-inspired design styling and good general build quality. If I look at my current A4 in detail, I am astounded at the lack of both good ergonomic design and honest build quality. The buttons fail early, don't work in terms of ergonomics and the car is clearly designed with Pre-determined product obsolescence in mind. "Everything will be worn out by 200kkm". My first TDI lasted 500kkm with no issues [1000km range on a 48l tank of diesel!] The next generation lasted 400 [1990's], the next gen lasted 350 [200's] and the next, 250. I take care of my cars, I pay a high price for them [chunks of my life] and have been loyal to Audi. My current Audi is KAPUT at 215kkm. Everything is worn out! MADE TO FAIL. Flimsy! ...... As an Electrical Engineer and Industrial designer, I have to admit that my professional opinion is that this sucks! I am no longer seeking and Audi as my next car, after 30years at the wheel of the 4 circles. I note their presence on the list of the 'You shall own nothing and be appy" club, with great sadness. Herr Hoch would be doing high RPM's in his grave, if he were to see the sorry state of the once wonderful marque that he created. Sandy you're quite right, of course. SAD, very sad.
If it has a start button, they are already off to a bad start. That mentality is all through the car. And it shows, no frunk, no one foot driving, its like getting into a Modal A from the turn of the century.
Very high barrier of entry. Think about it: the the MUNRO team’s expertise, if it was easy to get a loan for a plant, get the machines/robots, hire and train workers, and make a few phone calls/emails to line up suppliers, there would be a MUNRO car.
I am an automotive engineer working for an European OEM (definitely not VAG). I appreciate a lot your videos and I learn a lot from you and your team. Thank you for that.
But, I'm sorry to say, from time to time you should be less arrogant and recognise that you don't know everything. Someone with such a big experience in automotive industry and in benchmarking currently sold EV, should automatically understand the meaning of B in the shifter.
And, if you don't, it should take you 30 seconds driving in open road moving the shifter to realise what is it for.
No apologies. We need people like you to call it as it is.
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Tesla owners have sued Elon Musk’s electric carmaker for allegedly abusing its stranglehold on repairs to overcharge and impose lengthy delays.
[Stay ahead of the market]
A class action lawsuit filed in California says that “anticompetitive” conduct by Tesla means owners are unable to go to independent repair shops or install third-party parts.
Virginia Lambrix, a Tesla Model S owner who filed the lawsuit, said that Tesla drivers suffered from worse repair options than those who had petrol and diesel cars, and that the company’s conduct had been copied by other electric vehicle companies.
“The lack of competition in the Tesla repair services and Tesla-compatible parts markets caused by Tesla’s misconduct has resulted in artificially inflated prices, insufficient supply, and excessive wait times for Tesla owners looking to maintain or repair their EVs [electric vehicles],” the lawsuit said.
It said that Tesla owners only have the option of using the company or approved service centres, claiming this was a breach of US anti-monopoly laws.
“But for Tesla’s anti-competitive and monopolistic course of conduct, Tesla owners would have similar maintenance and repair options as purchasers of ICE [internal combustion engine] vehicles,” the lawsuit said.
“Such competition would inevitably lead to increased supply and lower prices.”
Tesla has said that electric vehicles require less maintenance and fewer repairs than petrol-powered cars, but independent reviewers have questioned its claims.
I have owned an Audi e-Tron since May 2022. It offers an option of controlling the vehicle more with your hands than feet. Thats where the paddles and levers come in. I only need to use the foot pedals at slow speed. It took about a week to get use to this option. Now it is second nature. Audi does provide an excellent user guide to its features.
I test drove every EV available locally before making a purchase decision. The Audi e-Tron was the most comfortable by far.
Can you imagine picking up one of those for rent at an airport and trying to figure it out as you jump into airport/freeway traffic?
If you own it then all those issues become irrelevant. It takes only once to learn what a button does. If you rent a car then it is a different story, but then it will also depend on your personal experience driving other cars. I bet if you drove other Audi cars before, then you would be right at home and will know how it works.
Great point eddie
Thanks for another great video Sandy & Team!
*You'd be in the ditch in no time.*
Refuse the car, go over to Hertz and ask for a Tesla.
Sandy, you're like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino who wield engineering as his weapon of choice. You tell it like it is and the subscribers appreciate the candid perspectives.
On a separate note, you might appreciate comedic timing of the mid video ad being an Audi one for the very vehicle you're talking about.
Sandy sights down the front hood of a car saying, “Make My Day!”
That's all very well as long as he's factually correct which he isn't
@@timallen6324 He 100% is correct. Having dozens of button, stalks and paddles on/around the steering wheel is NOT a good thing, ever.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dad: You've behaved badly, Audi, but I'm more disappointed than mad.
I decided 18 BUTTONS on my Audi steering wheel wasn't enough, so I bought some epoxy and just glued my keyboard to it. 🤣
Sandy Munro: a normal consumer like all of us but with a genius engineer mind with the ability to explain things in a simple understanding way. Thnks Munro and Associates for the enlightenment before I spend tons of money on something.
Yea, Sandy really got his “grumpy old man” routine perfected for this Q4 review. Sad, because Munro Live used to be somewhat “fact based”…
Never seen B on the shifter? It's been around for a million years. My gen3 Prius had it, and probably the same was true for gen1 and gen2.
My Nissan LEAF has "B" mode. Nothing new about that, for sure.
And Nissan LEAF
but what does it mean?
And ID.4
I know haha the only old fashion design I’ve noticed in this video is Sandy 😂 it felt like a bunch of rambling nonsense
Recently drove the e-tron 55 and previously tried the Q4 50, great cars and drive and liked the physical buttons on and the interior in general.
Driven an electric car for 8 years, does not like being locked to one pedal driving. Driving mostly country roads and motorways, a pedal feels like driving with the handbrake on.
With my current electric car Skoda Enyaq 80x, I can choose between D and B, drive with D and can manually control the regeneration via a paddle behind the steering wheel (same system on Q4).
If I drive in town, I switch over to B mode.
The Skoda Enyaq shares the same platform (MEB) as the AUDI Q4. I don't see the problem with this, it is also common among manufacturers to keep costs down.
The new Jeep Avenger, which has been voted car of the year here in Europe 2023, also shares a platform with, among other models, a Opel Mokka E and Peugeot 2008e. Just as I enjoy driving practical family electric car, I cherish every time I drive my factory original 1980 Jeep CJ7 with AMC258 and T5 manual.
The “B” on the shifter is likely the hyper regen mode (1-pedal mode). Good observation on the HUD, I wonder if it’s user configurable.
And I totally agree with making the vehicle interfaces as intuitive as possible, but there will always need to be some level of onboarding when folks purchase new vehicles.
more regen on the Nissan Leaf (where they stole this from), but not one-pedal driving on the Leaf, unfortunately.
I had to Google how to see the odometer in my 2019 VW Atlas.
I'm a software engineer. It is only shown in very certain circumstances, like when you turn the car on, but before you put it in drive.
I was going nuts.
It’s ironic that Sandy complains about the car, not having one pedal driving, and in the same video complains that he doesn’t understand what the letter B on the gear selector does. If he had just read the manual, he would’ve found out that those two complaints cancel each other out.
he also uses a lot of energy and describing how proud he is of his wife’s qualifications and yet she could not figure out the volume selector.
It’s a reoccurring theme in Sandy’s videos that he talks trash about European cars and all the time refers to how Tesla would have done it
I’m disappointed I thought the guy had some useful knowledge to share but it turns out he’s nothing but a tesla fan boy.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t have anything against Tesla, which I think in many aspects is a great car, but disguising advertisement as a review it’s insulting to the viewer
This is why I watch this channel!!! Every other channel wants the sponsorship and the money and other stuff that car companies throw at them so they can say good things about their cars, but this channel keeps it straightforward and quite frankly doesn't car about none of that!!! Keep up the great work!!!
THANKS SANDY,SUE and ALL THE MUNRO TEAM…for pointing out the obvious,things that need to change 🤗🤷♂️ 💚💚💚
I don't like to contradict people so I will just say, every thing you have dissed on this car is why I have just ordered the new 2024 model. I get it in May. It has proper controls for the windscreen wipers. Just like every car I have ever driven. Maybe I am missing something here.
B stands for brake and allows one pedal driving. You know that Sandy.
Agree. This comes off as an old grumpy man.
@@eleson00 he used to know
Why would anybody know that? How insular can you get.
@Cosmic Muffet Because many hybrids use B for this purpose.
found the vw/audi engineers
So nagging aside, what is the constructive criticism on this man's perspective? When facing a new product/idea/philosophy, it is always good to have someone present said thing. I come from Volvo and none of what Sandy was saying stood out as being out of this world complexe. It is VW AG's fault for taking a current functioning interior and slapping an ID.4 under carriage on the platform. VW Group is NOT the only one doing this as cost to develop a new platform runs in the hundreds of millions of dollars. A quick Google session will indicate that "B" for for Regenerative Braking. The paddles behind the steering wheel is to increase or decrease said Regen Braking. I ordered an ID.4 and think that for the money, it is alright. Deep down, I WANT the nicer interior, better fit and finish EVEN IF I will have less range than an ID.4. Same specs, but with less range. It is a trade off for those who want a 1-2 notches higher. I applaud VW Group for not going EVERYTHING IS IN THE SCREEN philosophy that all new car manufacturer's are going. VW Started this new trend in the ID.4 and it has made it's way down in the Golf GTI/R, and 2024 Atlast as well. It is a BAD system with no overthought or any consideration with what is useful to the user experience. As for the HUD and speed on the left, although possibly against text book protocol, it is still in a good spot where a quick eye movement can tell you your speed without keep your eyes off the road. At one point, this becomes a personal preference over a safety concern.
Don't apologize for others' letdown. It's on them. They need to own it and either listen, learn, or go through the hard lessons.
"B as Brake mode". On the nissan leaf, B driving mode is the improved regenerative breaking. That's it.
That was one of those: 'How do you really feel' moments. Thanks for the first impression review.
Where has Sandy been all his life? Audi is literally a VW that costs more. In Europe, Seat is a VW that costs less. That's the brand. It's like Toyota with Lexus.
Dear Sandy, The ”B” on the drive mode selector is for the regenerative braking (one pedal driving) mode. This is now a standard on the most electric vehicles in Europe to make the switching between the modes more intuitive. The “D” therefor is for free rolling.
Love your videos.
Best regards from Sweden!
just shows, user interface FAILURE. As the rest of the electronics.
Yes, and this nomenclature has been used on the Bolt since it’s inception.
It’s hard to believe that Monroe needs to step up their game a little bit and do their homework.
Good video to the overall point of slapping another grill on and calling it a completely different vehicle.👍
@@phenex551 if i stepped into one yesterday, i too would have had no clue as to what the B stood for. And reading the comments, nobody knows for sure how the regen works on this car. A total user interface failure. I have read 5 different ways its supposed to work. If you read what everyone who owns an EV says, one pedal driving is fantastic, so you would think going your own way is pretty much going to mean re inventing the wheel. And VW has been so good at that lately, NOT!
'B' should be the default, with a toggle in the settings, per driver, for old-style driving. It makes no sense to default to something unexpected for an EV and use nonstandard nomenclature to switch it back the way it should be.
@@cheesetomatoes TOTALLY AGREE, SIMPLE IS BEST. Too many options and too many choices are just pure frustration in the making.
Even the marketing people did not do they're home work when the named of this vehicle was suggested.
I'm sure Audi would have a few concern that in the Robert and Larousse French dictionaries the definition of the word ''ETRON'' is
''Molded excrement (from humans and some animals).''
I cannot believe what i just heard…
« dont know what the B stands for »…. Do your homework…
That is the one pedal driving!!
« Can’t find the wipers?! » … its exacly the same place as all cars LOL (Tesla one is hidden in a screen).
Platform sharing is the norm in the car industry VW and Audi , GM, Ford etc have all been doing this for years to reduce cost.
This is a ground up EV platform . Not an ICE car. And on this platform there will be many more models coming out soon like the ID Buzz etc.
Cheers 😂
Thank You all for the great videos. Sandy help me choose a car. I am super happy I found Your channel before the purchase.
Thanks Sandy for an honest opinion! This is the type of info that is extremely helpful to people.
The info that at a certain age people are to old to understand things.
Sandy you're wrong!! (I can't believe I'm saying this 🤭) B is Brake mode. (That's one pedal driving to you). Personally I don't like one pedal driving so I leave mine in D and use the flappy paddles to limit my speed down hill. I also like the predictive speed limiter and the way that the car slows down on it's own when you approach a junction or catch up with the car in front. So far I'm loving this car. P.S. I'm 62 years old and coming from a 6 year old Audi A3 I found everything quite intuitive. Keep up the great work that you do. I enjoyed the rant.😁
B / D: The Prius started this I think, it was meant so you could break with the engine going downhill when re-gen would not be enough in order not to wear out or overheat the brakes. B is the "Brake" mode where the ICE would be coupled for engine braking, in D there would only be the bit of re-gen. The LEAF also has this (besides e-pedal, which also uses the brake pads), as do the electric BMW's. Only now it's sort of a mode to get more re-gen from the accelerator pedal instead from the brake pedal. It's pretty old fashioned, but also meant for old fashioned folks who don't like change and just want a car to keep on rolling when you let go of the pedal. I don't get it either....
Thanks Munro team for the video and analysis
I laughed as soon as I saw the steering wheel. That's a lot of buttons!
I thought old people like lots of buttons 🤔
@@jimmyh6601 I am old, but I love the clean Tesla way. What the world needs is fewer buttons.
It’s no more buttons than a BMW steering wheel, or even my old Citroen C3😂 They flex as it is one panel which can be used as haptic or you can press on the panel and the buttons click like normal.
@@PeterFelis Actually, many of us prefer dedicated buttons for things like HVAC controls. Tesla is far too minimalist for my taste.
@@PeterFelis and Tesla has… voice! I use voice more than the touch screen.
It's the Codger Corner! Sandy stumbles and bumbles and stutters his way through!
Jumped in a Q4 for a test run and everything was where it should be. Buttons for things that needed to be operated quickly, touch screen for other items. It was quiet, performed well, rode well and was well built with no squeeks or rattles. Then went to a ride in a Tesla model 3 ( my neighbours). No head up display at all, no android auto or apple car play,everything touch operated, great when your at a standstill but hopeless when driving, its ride was rock hard and rattles came from every corner of the car. And fit and finish was poor. Must admit his car was made in the USA, China built cars better built. I will stick with Audi or something German.
I've owned an ID.4 for just under 2yrs now, and I've come to love the D or B choice.
In town or in the hills, B mode... It doesn't come to a complete stop, but it does slow until 2mph.
On the highway, D mode. I can coast behind another car until it is safe to pass. I get much better range by not constantly speeding up/slowing down. I usually kick off the adaptive cruise just to utilize this feature.
Only criticism, other than the infotainment system, is the rear drum brakes. They groan like crazy.
Audi's in general have a way to make you feel like you're in an Apollo capsule, flipping 15 switches to get a gallon of milk from the store.
I was gonna say Millennium Falcon😂
There are hardly any switches in the Q4.... mostly for the aircon system and thx god for that.
Here in Europe/ Norway the «B» on the gearshifter is well understood. Norway has had the E-golf since early 2014 and electric VW products has ever since been very common and popular. For me the «B» is intuitive.
Saying this as a neutral person, that drives a Tesla.
This guy is mega clever and not many can keep up with his knowledge on cars.
HOWEVER- on this occasion he’s let himself down. Simply because he’s critiqued the car negatively (every right to). However he didn’t know how it’s works and that was his basis for the negativity. Should of done his homework better on this one. Not knowing what B mode is and complaining about all the buttons because he didn’t know what they did isn’t they way to do it..
The guy has a lot of experience, but he seems like he has a very low iq. Also he has a lot of Tesla stock, so obviously he hates every competitor.
At 74 years old, I have participated in automobile evolution as a consumer for over 60 years. Our Tesla Model X has far fewer physical controls than cars of yesteryear, but some of the soft controls are less than intuitive and I was particularly upset that it took multiple screen touches to dig down and either mute or enable the navigation voice assist, which seemed uncharacteristically cumbersome for Tesla. So I considered the easiest possible way to perform the task and pressed the voice command button on the steering wheel and asked for the navigation voice to be muted, then enabled, and it worked like a dream. How to use complexity to achieve simplicity is, indeed, an art form in itself. Jess
If it's like the other cars I've been in, B is a mode that increases the regenerative braking and its amount is most probably controlled by the paddle shifters (Because why would there be a pair on an EV anyway?)
That would solve the 1 pedal driving issue I guess
But I agree, German EVs have mostly all been trash up to now. They tried to reinvent something they were doing good and just needed to be re-engined
B is full unadjustable regen. In D the paddles can affect regen from completely off to full
@@devons2381 I didn't know that. Then that makes it even weirder because if that's true, why have a B mode in the first place ?
Because B is just "set it and forget it" full regen all the time. In D you get control over the level without tapping on a screen to make adjustments.
I think Hyundai and Kia are like this too
Heck, I was going to guess at "Back up" LOL
Maybe "B" is "Behind the times"...
Audi's primary target demographic is..... Audi drivers! and most of the things you complain about are things the existing Audi drivers will find comfortable and familiar.
It doesn't sound like you've spent much time with that car before passing judgement. Every car I've ever owned has had some sort of learning curve before I was comfortable in it.
I don't want to live in a world where every car is a copy of Tesla, I'm glad there are choices. I've got a rental reservation for a Tesla this afternoon and I've been getting e-mailed training videos and online classes for 2 weeks, just so I can figure out how to get in the car and drive it, so apparently the rental car company doesn't find Tesla to be very intuitive. I've rented a lot of strange stuff over the years and I've never had training material sent to me to learn how to operate any other car so I can only conclude that the rental car company finds Tesla to be the least intuitive of any car they have ever rented.
I'm not defending Audi. I looked at the 2023 Q4 e-tron through the window a few months ago and I could tell it was a watered-down version of our 2019 55 and it was very disappointing that it was so obvious that little had changed in 4 years, and the software wasn't good 4 years ago.
Very interesting, the new Audi sounds like my wife's 2017 eGolf. If you want regen, you shift to B. But it's not much regen in the golf, no kind of one-pedal driving. It sounds like Audi decided to make the anti-Tesla, with a million buttons etc.
BTW read the owners manual in the glove box plenty of good info.
Hello Sandy, here in Europe we have another MEB car, the Skoda Enyaq. Out of all the test drives this was the best one. Premium feeling interior, only a few buttons, very organized and cheaper than the ID. 4 too. Unfortunately not for sale in America but this is a great car for America.
But you did not try a Tesla Model Y, did ya!?
@@MarcoNierop I did manage to drive the M3P 😜 My parents have one. I like the interior more on mine. Infotainment is a different story, Tesla is lightyears ahead on that.
@@MarcoNierop De Y rijdt wel veel sportiever overigens.
@@marcohillenga5068 I choose the Model Y,.more range with a smaller battery, adds up, especially right now with expensive electric rates.. And I love the simplistic tranquility interior.. I felt right at home... And I can tow 1600kg, which is important for me. The huge boot is amazing, a perfect car for camping.
SKODA is a cheap Chinese OEM, the Skoda would not pass IIHS or NHTSA testing.
The B on the shift stick is the "brake mode", it allows you to drive one pedal while the D behaves like an ICE car. Good review though.
I like more buttons and less screens.
This car can probably do one pedal driving, just put it in the proper ‘gear’ like you do on a leaf.
I think there’s plenty to criticise on the ID4/Q4, particularly around value, range and performance.
But not being able to work out the windscreen wipers, or what the widely used B mode is pretty ridiculous. Similarly I can easily tell the sides apart, because I read about cars. The average person would probably struggle to tell most mid sized SUV sport backs apart.
Agreed there’s plenty to criticise VW for, but I don’t think Sandy is being reasonable on this one.
As much as the other team members know their stuff, Sandy is way more fun to listen to. Give me a grumpy old man everyday please. So much more entertaining 😂
Intellectually superior grumpy old man
B should be the OnePedalDrive-mode. :-))
I could be wrong but when i was test-driving the Seat mii electric i had to drive it in B for recuperation.
Somewhere there was also a "hidden" procedure to adjust the recuperation.
To master all challenges i had to read the instruction manual on the road.
First time in years.
Best wishes from Vienna,
Franz
On the Audi e-tron you can set recuperation to manual (MMI -> Vehicle -> Efficiency Assistant -> Recuperation). Then every time you start a drive, set recuperation to the max with the steering wheel recuperation paddles, and then it will regenerate every time you lift your foot off the “throttle pedal” and works as “one-pedal-driving.”
You have to set that up on every drive, its maddening it doesnt save your preference.
The length of your explanation just emphasises the problem.
Or just click into B which does the same 😮
@@Intredo Its busy work, like the start button. These people are insane if they think people will want this.
AUDI is OUTDATED, and VW wont have TRINITY platform until 2030.
Now this is journalism, it's not always good but as a consumer I'm happy you folks around
Sandy, you're a gentleman and a scholar.
Clean, to the point and honest review, I love it.
@Robert Hamon .. +1 Agreed.. Straight up, no chaser.
You say it’s not intuitive, but you think a Tesla is? The Tesla has a bigger learning curve than this. With regard to the steering wheel stalks, they’ve always been there so I really don’t understand what the difficulty is.
My thoughts on interiors for EVs:
1. Don't make them look weird just because it's an EV drivetrain.
2. I like buttons, but use them for the right things. Anything you commonly use should be a button. switch, or knob. If you can't use it with driving gloves in the winter while not taking your eyes off the road, it is useless. Things like door controls, HVAC, seat controls, A/V tuning and volume. Anything else you set once in a blue moon can be buried in some touch screen menu.
3. I don't want a big iPAD display that will be hopelessly out of date in 10 years or be expensive to fix. A good cell phone (that is kept more up to date) holder with wireless charging works fine for me for those infrequent uses for maps.
4. Make the sound system accept bluetooth wireless audio directly without having to use some carplay into some other device. Simple is good.
Buttons are for luddites.
Others have different use cases and desire other features.
Nice ur truthful eventhough risking no advertising from VW lobbyists
Finally a great EV. Nice styling, good build quality and a decent amount of buttons to find your way through the functions. So what if it uses shared underpinnings and if some people aren't savvy enough to get the workings and finer details? It's not like all other EV's are that pretty, that functional, that well build, that well engineered.
Are you still talking about the etron q4? Since its a reskin of id4... 10 years after Tesla making EVs and yet audi manage to give you a worse option. No trunk, a start button on a EV, no 1 pedal drive, slow entertainment system.
90% of buttona in a car you rarely use. Gps you setup before you drive, so does the airco/heating and the music. What else you need during driving? Windshield wipers and blinkers which all are on the wheel or stocks. All those buttons you are paying for and add no value to the car. Once you drive a tesla for a month you realize that there is no need for 50 buttons and the cost of it.
You can use a smartphone? Good you can control a tesla... with this car you need the manual to find out what it can do and how to do it.
Let not forget this car is more expensive than a model Y and has drum brakes, half the performance, 20% less range... how is this quality in engineering? If china can make better cars than audi other than finish, you have a problem.
@@pipooh1 What’s your point?
@@blondiebxl well guess i made my point since you have nothing to response with.
@@pipooh1 It’s about choice. Some people just want worse cars, you can’t force everyone to get the best option. Besides, the Audi has Tesla beat with 7 exterior colors, all different hues between silver and blue.
Another great video, thank you.
Grumpy old man... sorry to say.. I have a Skoda Enyaq and a Audi Q4.
2 great cars build on the same MEB platform each with there own personality.
And if, sorry to say, you wife with a degree cant operate the vol. then a car like his is not for her nor you.
Have a great one..
From a happy MEB platform owner...
The honesty is just priceless. Thanks Sandy.
I've had many Audi's in my life and have always paid their high price [for a VW like product] because of the great ergonomics, beautiful Bauhaus-inspired design styling and good general build quality. If I look at my current A4 in detail, I am astounded at the lack of both good ergonomic design and honest build quality. The buttons fail early, don't work in terms of ergonomics and the car is clearly designed with Pre-determined product obsolescence in mind. "Everything will be worn out by 200kkm". My first TDI lasted 500kkm with no issues [1000km range on a 48l tank of diesel!] The next generation lasted 400 [1990's], the next gen lasted 350 [200's] and the next, 250. I take care of my cars, I pay a high price for them [chunks of my life] and have been loyal to Audi. My current Audi is KAPUT at 215kkm. Everything is worn out! MADE TO FAIL. Flimsy! ...... As an Electrical Engineer and Industrial designer, I have to admit that my professional opinion is that this sucks! I am no longer seeking and Audi as my next car, after 30years at the wheel of the 4 circles. I note their presence on the list of the 'You shall own nothing and be appy" club, with great sadness. Herr Hoch would be doing high RPM's in his grave, if he were to see the sorry state of the once wonderful marque that he created. Sandy you're quite right, of course. SAD, very sad.
But you can get a ruler and measure gaps every day. then tell your neighbors their gaps are wide.
Sue has a doctorate in engineering? Need to hear more from her on technical stuff. She normally talks about aesthetics and usability.
Sue , has been on MUNRO live several times, reviewing cars.
Something I noticed with VW (I have had 3 of them) is that they make the easy things hard and the hard things easy. This is true for everything from maintenance to using them. Its like someone made them, never used it, then moved on to designing the next iteration of it. Tow points? Nahhh, who will ever need those. STUPID!. Extra glove box in the drivers side. BRILLIANT!. Atlas' fuel door location indicator pointing almost empty permanently. STUPID!. Top mounted oil filter. BRILLIANT!...you get the point
Thank you Sandy!
Yes, VAG has been increasingly shooting itself in the foot for 2 decades😂
@Canyon Racer .. +1. Agreed.. A lifelong Porsche/Audi and VW owner...
I've had many Audi's in my life and have always paid their high price [for a VW like product] because of the great ergonomics, beautiful Bauhaus-inspired design styling and good general build quality. If I look at my current A4 in detail, I am astounded at the lack of both good ergonomic design and honest build quality. The buttons fail early, don't work in terms of ergonomics and the car is clearly designed with Pre-determined product obsolescence in mind. "Everything will be worn out by 200kkm". My first TDI lasted 500kkm with no issues [1000km range on a 48l tank of diesel!] The next generation lasted 400 [1990's], the next gen lasted 350 [200's] and the next, 250. I take care of my cars, I pay a high price for them [chunks of my life] and have been loyal to Audi. My current Audi is KAPUT at 215kkm. Everything is worn out! MADE TO FAIL. Flimsy! ...... As an Electrical Engineer and Industrial designer, I have to admit that my professional opinion is that this sucks! I am no longer seeking and Audi as my next car, after 30years at the wheel of the 4 circles. I note their presence on the list of the 'You shall own nothing and be appy" club, with great sadness. Herr Hoch would be doing high RPM's in his grave, if he were to see the sorry state of the once wonderful marque that he created. Sandy you're quite right, of course. SAD, very sad.
@@leobard7767
I appreciate your honesty Leo!
As the retired owner of a SoCal German focused repair shop ( Porsche,Audi,VW), with a Dyno Dynamics Dyno Cell(and plenty of exotic tunes from Nissan Sylvia 4/6 cylinder turbo drift cars, POC/PCA authorized Dyno, hot rods) in SoCal for 26 years…I was a devoted VW fan since my first brand new ‘83 mk1 GTI I got for college in Boston….migrating to SoCal after school to work at Zender in Torrance,Ca and many others, I’ve owned 20 VW,Audis and serviced thousands….quality has been going down hill……I see VW ICE technical peak as the 2006/2007 GTI/Audi A3 2.0 T with DSG transmission…. Minus all its numerous inherent weaknesses …..Coil packs (even after the 1.8t class action lawsuit) carbon deposits, intake flaps, window regulators, shrinking wire harnesses, heater cores/foam, and electrical failures galore 🙄 And there was Dieselgate😱 I could go on forever with recalls…..the public is kept ignorant😎
The B stands for breaking.. It’s the regen mode for one pedal driving. It actually works way smoother then shifting between 4 different levels on Korean cars.
Don't forget that this is a Škoda Enyaq too! So three-in-one, but that one actually looks a tad different from these two :)
So what is a Skoda Enyaq
@@jmwarden1 Škoda is a part of the VAG group, basically Audi = VW = Škoda. You won't see it in NA, only in Europe.
Enyaq was also built on the same MEB3 platform (you can just Google it), and it's selling quite well as Škoda is internally doing a good job, although, in the grand scheme of things, they all lack the pacing and "visionarism" of the guys like Rivian and Tesla.
They remind me of Nokia, acting a bit stubborn while also being consumed by themselves and the inert/non-flexible system they've created. Their reaction time from idea to realization/making a change is painstakingly afwul.
@@jmwarden1 same platform, cheaper than Audi and VW but with a bigger trunk.
@@jmwarden1 The best one of the "trio" of the same car. But the VAG software still sucks, badly.
still a PIG with lipstick.