The brand new strategy epic from Root designer Cole Wehrle - Let's play Oath!
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- Опубликовано: 2 янв 2025
- Leder Games have been putting out some incredibly solid titles over the last few years but as you'll have no doubt heard from the Dicebreaker team before, one of our absolute favourites is Cole Wehrle's Root. Well Cole is back with a brand new track, and this time we're making our way through generations of conquest and politics in Oath: Chronicles of Empire & Exile.
Join the Matt, Wheels, and Lolies as Cole Wehrle himself gives us the teach!
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I bought this game about a year ago. I'm watching this because I've tried a few times to play it. I think I'm finally understanding it. Thank you so much for doing this.
I think this is one of the better teaches I've seen. It's not totally comprehensive, but I like how Cole explains little thematic bits along the way.
@@Big_Dai I think you may be mistaken 'comprehensive' for 'comprehensible'. The latter means 'understandable' and the former means 'exhaustive, full, without rest'
After I saw the Shut Up and Sit Down review I was so curious about this game and seeing this playthrough I now completely get what Matt Lees was saying about thematic richness baked and organic storytelling being baked into all these mechanics. Looks like so much fun
I did and feel the same way
I've been salivating for two hours straight. Can't wait to play Oath.
After watching this I went and ordered the deluxe components.
Best walk-through and explanation of the game I've seen so far. All the other videos over complicate and over explain everything. Most videos explaining how to play are not any less confusing or daunting than reading the rule book. This was simple and easy and now I have a grasp on not only how to play but how to teach it to others simply and easily so we can get to playing.
Oath is a game I don’t understand (yet), but a game I so desperately want to play regardless. I LOVE the narrative developments in Root, and this doubles down on that element I absolutely adore.
I have the game, I’ll get it to the table one day
"I don't really want this Errand Boy"
*Tom Brewster will remember this*
Best teach for the game by far, and a GREAT GAME TO WATCH!
Shoutouts to that wrestler who held back the gate all by himself.
Hodor !!!
I really appreciated this video format for learning. Thanks, all!
I just today got my copy. I'm so looking forward to playing it. Thanks for doing this video - it's an excellent overview of the rules!
Thank you Cole!!
Great explanation, at least to wrap some things around my head, until i get my backed copy!
Great design! looking forward!
This is a strange beast, but I think I'll definitely be picking up because I love multi-lateral conflict games and I really appreciate the story the mechanics are coming together to tell.
It's a very good sample play especially explained what would happen if the victorious sacrificed all his warbands.
This is what i would want an adventure time board game to be like
This looks so incredibly dense hehehe But I really love the legacy side of it at the end really interesting
How do you get extra warbands out to provinces you control? Or do you only place them when you do combat?
Looks like you can place them from your board when on a space. 1:26:54
Placed after campaigning. Empty regions have “bandits” to battle.
it got so complicated I couldn't watch any more but I love you guys still!
As much as I love these guys, this just became white noise in the background after a while.
@@uncannymeerkat Yep, same for me. Not a game for me at all.
@@SirSavesALot1977 I personally love the game, but I understand that super complex games aren’t for everyone.
@@Big_Dai Did Cole pour sugar in your gas tank? We get it, you don't like the game.
Amazing, I loved this let's play, really gave me a feel of the game's mood and flow. Looking forward to the Italian release of Oath, knowing my gaming group they would prefer to have an Italian translation.
Such a great playthrough, well done all!
Oath is my favorite game, for folks coming to learn the first battle example should have lost another die from attacker because of mountain. There are other play through of this game from other channels that have full campaigns and do a great job with teach and play
Yeah, I saw a couple of reviews and kept away from the game for long, simply for it being one type of game that needs a player crowd willing to invest on a longer term into it and a teacher who is quite apt in both rules and teaching said rules to the people in an engaging and comprehensible way. But when all these boxes are checked it ought to flow quite nicely - at least when starting from the 2nd generation game session onward. Apart from these negatives I like it quite the bit for what it is, though! 😇Also, thank you for the playthrough, it was very pleasant and motivating to watch!
His designs are absolutely brilliant, but I dislike the endgame of both Root and Oath. It feels unearned: multiple players get close and then effectively a vote is taken on who will be stopped and who will be allowed to win. If you *really* want to win, it seems to me that too much meta-analysis is needed.
Pax Pamir 2E felt better in this regard; even if a player is beaten in their obvious objective by other players working together, they can often still make some very clever plays, create chaos on the board, and emerge with an advantage over everyone else (or the attempt backfires horribly and they get completely wiped out). Either way, it feels more rewarding to me.
Maybe it's all in this one too and just I haven't played enough, I don't know.
Cole has a GDC talk titled "King Me: A Defense of Kingmaking in Board Game Design". He's definitely aware of it, but I think Oath handles it better than Root due to the lack of victory points and that it seems like an inherently more thematic and political game than Root (although my copy of Oath is still in shrink wrap, so I may not know what I'm talking about). I do think it depends on the group you're playing with though, closer friends are going to have more fun with that vote than strangers.
I need too see them play it un-guided.
Yeah, this game really shines once all the players know what they’re doing and can engage in strategy and political discussions.
This virtual game board looks amazing. How does one play this virtually?
Download Tabletop Simulator on Steam and then go into the Workshop and subscribe to the the Oath mod
Tabletop Simulator is $20 on Steam (unless you get it on sale), but the Oath mod is totally free.
There is also Vassal, which is 2D and somewhat harder to use. I like it more that TTS because it gets better scripting and TTS tends to hurt my eyes.
Holy crap Lolies, that last defense roll was so clutch!
Really tried to get into this, but the "first game must contain four players let's guide you through all your first moves" thing with no option for just starting a game and letting you figure it out on your own really dimmed everyone's patience and enthusiasm for it.
I think that was just meant for one person playing all four players just to figure out how it's played
@@lettuceprime4922 It's been a while since I looked at it, but my recollection was that the game didn't have rules for a generic setup that didn't involve that starting scenario.
It’s definitely a game to chew on. I’m a few steps away from being capable of playing at this depth but am intrigued to play this when I am
"how dare you, I am your chancela"
Such a great game!
Very insightful to see how Cole teaches his games. I practically copied his Heavy Cardboard teach for Pax Pamir, and I think I'm going to take away a lot from this as well.
I was sold at "Game of Thrones with Muppets". Problem is, I'm still trying to learn Root, so.....
I'm confused at the first yellow turn he drew 3 cards and then played 1 card that said burn 1 secret and do the bank thing but he didn't do that action of the card yet he put it on the board why so
2nd when I'm drawing cards am I looking at it secertly or do I have to reveal it to everyone one when I'm deciding one
Playing the card to advisers or site is a free action after his search action of drawing 3 cards. Doing the card action is a “trade” action that costs supply. You look at the cards in secret, play to your site or advisers face up or to face down advisers. Make sense?
Can't wait for Oath to be available, this game has such a cool concept.
Can we say that at around 1:24:50 ish Matt should have paid for his trade since he didn't have any advisor? The cup of plenty is pretty clear, you only dont pay with supplies if you trade with someone you're affiliated with (Basically, the faction that you have an advisor part of). So, mister Jarvis, you got caught making a mistake that surprisingly nobody picked on while playing.
Edit: They did notice the turn after. Well, that teaches me to make comments mid video.
Oof I find TTS can be so tough to watch sometimes. The, overactive, camera swooping everywhere just as you’re looking at/reading something is frustrating .
I think the best way to do it is to setup saved camera positions with ctrl+number key the use shift+number key to cycle through them as needed - i.e one for each player board, a top down overview, a zoomed view of dice rolling area.. and then keep it as smooth/static as possible with the default being the top down overview shot.
We can see everyone’s cursors and it makes it feel more natural as if you’re looking at the game on the table.
Great game and run through though!
this looks awesome. looks right up my alley
Much as this looks promising, I struggle to see how I could convince anyone to play with me a game that takes the creator himself 45 minutes to explain, and doesn't show all its features after nearly 2 hours of guided playing...
That’s how it is with every complex board game. You have to play one rough and slow game first to teach all the players, and then the second game is when you actually start playing. Thankfully, Oath is a game that changes and adapts with each playthrough, so the first game will barely scratch the surface of what the game offers.
@@WideMouth And its probably one of its biggest selling points, there is so much game to explore.
@@flamtzer Yeah, and it only took me 15 minutes to explain the basics to my friend and we had a great time playing the game on TTS. Just because Cole Werle created the game, that doesn’t mean he’s the best person to teach the game.
it’s worth the learning process. have played it on TTS a few times and it really is awesome. felt like a lot to take in when i first saw a video, but now it’s just this huge deep game that makes sense.
The core mechanics and goals are fairly simple, the cards change the world and rules enough to cause lots of questions which I think is difficult for folks to feel comfortable with. But that is a big part of the fun!
Commenting for engagement.
This video was really helpful. Please do a similar one for their other game, Vast.
Do you guys have any update on when you’re going to be able to get back together and play games in person? :)
Couldn't Lollies have used Warning Signals at the end to redeploy her warbands to defend?
It wasn’t her turn, so I don’t think she should.
Is a Relic a card for Site count purposes?
No, relics do not count as denizens
I watched this and bought Oath. Someone call Cole and tell him to come round and teach me.
46:13 why did cole started talking about herpes?
”Wand percent” 😆
The video title should be more like “designer plays Oath for three other people”.
I get that it’s a big game, but a bit of prep beforehand and having him trobleshooting during the game would’ve made for a better introduction to the game.
I read through the playbook PDF which didn't take long and made everything much more clear. I feel that just that would have made a much better video. Honestly kind of on Dicebreaker for showing up completely unprepared for a Let's Play IMO.
@@firekeeper09 yea, after seeing the game I don’t think it’s as complicated as it appeared to be the first 50m of it, I agree it would’ve been better. And I don’t think it’s only as the viewers perspective but for them as players as well.
I for one hate going into games where I don’t know what I am doing. Takes the fun out of it to be fumbling around with no directions. I like pressing buttons to see what works when I at least have a sense of what I can accomplish.
I think he was trying to showcase what teaching a game of Oath is like.
@@WideMouth Sure, he did say that wasn't the best way to do it, and when you get the box there's a proposed method included. That said, considering that wasn't the ideal scenario, why do it anyway, why not prepare beforehand and jump into the stream? Anyway, I still think it wasn't the best way to showcase a game a lot of people are excited about. And this didn't get me into it.
@@shinjial Yeah, he definitely should have taught them how to play before making the video, or at least used the teaching method presented in the play book. Definitely not the ideal way to showcase the game.
Did I miss them explain why they were only playing until turn 5? The game shouldn’t have ended there, right? Or do I have it wrong?
The stopped at turn 5 because it's a demo, an actual game should've gone on.
@@CannibalPedroX94 I think the game *can* end on turn 5 if the empire holds the Oathkeeper title and a 6 is rolled.
great tutorial. I am still struggling to like this game, after 5 plays. I don't like the way it ends and there is a lot to pay attention to. However, it can be fun.
I am the senate.
This looks great, but i can't wrap my head around the rules.
I’ve heard very good things about Cole Wehrle’s designs, but at 35 mins into the video, we’ve had two turns from Cole, and nobody else has spoken for more than a few seconds without having to be stopped so that *another* mechanic can be explained and I’m genuinely not sure I’m not watching a Let’s Play of Cones of Dunshire.
It’s no fault of the DB team here, I think that there are better ways to handle this than the equivalent of a con-game demonstration from Cole? I get that it’s his baby but… oof. (Also if I was at a con game demo and I hadn’t made any choices or moves of my own after a half hour I would be faking a phone call)
How isn't it on DB? It's their channel and their content. They are doing a Let's Play and they couldn't be bothered to read any of the rules of an admittedly complex beforehand?
@@firekeeper09 I don’t think that’s the case, though. None of them have said “we couldn’t be bothered to learn this” and Matt, Wheels and Lolies have all definitely spoken with a great deal of passion about Oath in the past, and the designer introducing their game format is not new to the channel.
It’s just that Cole seems to be invested in a very dry teach, which makes a game with a lot of moving parts seem even more dull than it is.
@@WilCornish I think Cole assumes that most players prefer to learn as they play (which is why he always includes Play Books with that option in most of his games), but that’s obviously not always the case. If players aren’t able to focus enough to learn the game *and* play the game at the same time, the whole experience just falls apart (like it did in the video).
@@WideMouth but they’re not playing the game. Cole is playing the game and telling them what he’s doing
@@WilCornish That’s what I’m saying. The people he’s playing with aren’t able to learn and play at the same time, so the experience just collapsed into Cole playing the game for everyone. He should have taught them before recording the video.
20 min in and I have NO clue what's going on 😅
Hm, after watching it, I cant shake the feeling that they got lost in designing game mechanics as such, removed from anything relevant to progressing a game. Much of this feels complicated for complication's sake (or for the sake of being different from what others have done before) not because it adds something interesting or relevant to the gaming experience. At times it felt downright random like "and here is another mechanic" .... I get the feeling that they shouldve asked themselves more often "do we really need this for a good game, or is it just so it feels more complex?". As it stands it feels downright "unstructured".
Watching the different people react to the explanations I got the feeling that they just zoomed out after a veritable onslaught of information they couldnt possibly be asked to keep track of. This very much feels like a game you have to completely relearn from the ground up after shelving it for a few months, which I consider bad design.
Lolies texting at 31:28 and then saying "...woah..." was a mood
Too much time wondering if they could and not enough time wondering if they should...
I feel like there are other game just as complicated out there, I think the problem here was that we were getting every little detail in one big go rather than getting it organically with the team actually playing. I think it made it seem more complicated that it 'probably' is.
I agree that this teach makes the game seem much more complicated than it is. I also don’t know if I would teach this as Cole did by taking actions for everyone. Hard to keep players engaged.
That said, I went months between plays and didn’t find this game at all hard to pick back up.
Oath is actually a brilliant game. The reason things seem random and unnecessary is because you’re looking at each mechanic independently. Oath is like a clock, with each gear designed to work coherently with the other gears. That’s why Oath is hard to teach; it only makes sense once you understand the game as a whole.
Even the designer is forgetting how to play!!
The RNG level of this game make me want to puke.