Wow this video really helps a lot! I can’t believe that you were able to keep a cassette for over 10,000km! Do you think that a sram gx eagle cassette could also last that long if you maintained it the same?
Im riding the 5th chain on GX drivetrain, it lasts about 800k and then it jumps on the gears, but when the chain is new, really really smooth. No adjust requirement... and the teeth of the cassete seems to be good at this day yet... +\- 8000 km in 1 year and 2 months
My gx cassette is currently on its last chain. When I put on a new one it skipps over the teeth, but to this point it has been ridden for about 6000km and I think it will do another 2000. It was ridden in the wet quite a bit and my derailieur wasnt always that well adjusted, because it took a few hits.
in regards to your question about thickening of individual teeth, many have said "burrs" I would argue that burrs are made in manufacturing process such as during milling of metal parts. I would call this thickening "mushrooming" which gets created during use such as on the tip of a chisel when material gets displaced during strike of a hammer (for example) or in this case by extreme load created by stretched chain on individual tooth, my $0.02 worth of an opinion
One way to check which component wears faster than others (for example casette vs chain vs chainring) is to measure it's weight at distance traveled interval (ie 500km) . This also helps to ditch those brands and models that wear faster than expected
Szajbajk, totalny szacun. Jak ty to wszystko ogarniasz? Montujesz tu i tu, nagrywasz tu i tu, mówisz na żywo tu i tu. WOW, ja poszedłbym po prostrzej drodze i nagrywał filmy bez twarzy, a audio nagrywał osobno, lub po prostu z polskiego filmu wyciszałbym audio i nagrywał po angielsku( gdybym jeszcze tak płynnie mówił po angielsku) mega szacun, będę o tobie wnukom opowiadał. Jak tylko będę miał możliwość to chciałbym z tobą pogadać, ale to jeszcze nie teraz
Hi Dan. Thank you for another brilliant video. My guess was of course that the second eagle had 10000 km. The golden coat is heavy damaged whereas the third one was really good looking at first glance.
321. 1 looks brand new (no-brainer). 2 looks used but nothing too bad. 3 has looks like it has some fairly significant burrs on the teeth where the chain will put pressure. EDIT: I was right :)
We call that "splinter" either mushrooming or upsetting. It is the only thing to look for in terms of wear that will cause skipping and wear out a new chain fast.
New chains are cheaper than new cassettes, use a chain checker and get a new chain before it is too late. As the chain wears, the rollers get smaller and the distance between them (pitch) increases - this causes the lips on the edges of the teeth. If you change the chain before the pitch increases too much, you can minimize the wear.
I just burned out a cassette and a chain in 8 months of biking 6 miles a day to work because i didnt maintain my chain properly -and didnt change it in due time.
Good conclusion, but: Coating on newer Xx1 seems to be thinner. My old had about 7000km and looks the same like my second one after about 1500km. Maitance on both is was the same.
Is there a source for that? Otherwise this a worthless claim. The durability comes from the material of the rollers and pins. With the XX1 having hollow pins and the rollers being unlikeley to be different, there is no apparent reason for the XX1 chain to be better.
@@obi-wankenobi9871 i agree with groove but i do not have any proof for it. When i use The gx chain it gets bad so much faster than The xx1 chain. I measure with The parktool chain checker and in some of my xx1 chains that i have been using alot they are only at 0.5 whilst on The gx chain it can get to 1.2 with The same distancw ridden !
Thanks for sharing the video. Very helpful to see the deformation of steel edge to indicate wear! Question - How many miles have you been able to ride on a cassette before shifting degrades? I have 11k right now on an XO1 eagle (with good care) and still shifts great.
I have never managed much more than 1100km out of a 12speed Sram cassette before I get trouble shifting... I also get about 2000km from a mech if I dont bash it. I get/got nearly 2000km from shimano 11 speed cassettes. Maybe the moral of my story is dont shift under power :)
Yeah, don't do that, I broke a chain on a sram eagle on the first week of use by that same mistake. Not that I didn't know not to do that... But I got excited with the new bike... hahahaha
A raised edge from working metal is called a 'burr'. I would be more inclined to say they just have a raised edge though as the metal has deformed through use and not through being worked (with a file for example).
I was wondering also if the burr 🪚⚙️ on your cassette could not come from the fact that you are a competitor and you may put more effort 💪🏼 on your drivetrain than a standard cycling guy 🚴 ?💡
congratulations, you can make a cassette outlast my 3, I use an eMTB which provides up to 400% torque (90 newton power motor)and i am close to 15000 kms in less than 2 years of usage , managing is not easy when you consider using it even on canadian winter, so my biggest concern is to find the right "chain" (on my 4th)so i can make my cassette last longer along with my chain ring (on my second one), cheers
I've done 6000km on my Sram AXS 12 speed road Chain, and the wear only shows 0.5mm, I am impressed. But I do cleen the chain once a week at lease or each time it gets dirty, plus using Wax lubricant only. EXPENSIVE CASSETT!
that's pretty impressive distance. but keep in mind that how much you shift will determine wear too, not only distance, I have to ride up and down a lot, and wear whole cassette, and use all the gears, and use all a lot. that's the hardest part to document and compare. impossible really, can't have some sensor or counter telling you how much you shifted. maybe that could be a feature on electronic system, but not heard of it being implemented.
my casette does wear off the coating fairly quickly. for more than half the year do I run in extremely muddy conditions and every time I get home after a ride do I have to wash off a thick layer of mudd off the bike before it goes into storage until the next ride. it gets so muddy in fact that it gets noticably lighter after the wash due to all the wet mud that is caked on the bike. my drivetrain is howeer well maintained, it just gets extremely abused from the poor conditions I ride in.
One other reason of too early wearing the cassette: wrong sized drivetrain. I have a 11-42 on my mtb. On mtb races I use all te cogs. But while doing my base miles, low intensity rides, general fitness build mainly on tarmac(i dont have road bike yet, I live on a pretty flat country)etc, the cogs wear unevenly. Simply I dont need that big range for my everyday rides. The smallest 3 cogs looks worn like hell now after ~10 000kms, and the other 7s are almost like new. Only the two smallest are replaceable, now I have to throw into garbage my lightly used cassette because the worn, non replaceable 3rd cog. So I decided to buy a road cassette for training this year and pick up a new big range one for only racing. The same thing on the chainrings, I use 38T for training and 32T for racing... Important to replace the chain in time, makes your cassette lasts much longer.
I work on ubereats i did last season 50000 km please talk about bicycle for work wat todo when you do so many km
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English isn't my first language either, but I would call the teeth you pointed out "deformed" and the part of the tooth where your pick stops a "deformation." I hope this helps. Good video mate!
Actually rear cassette worn out is not visible to naked eye, but only when your chain starts to slip... I had this case with Sram road cassette. Only under magnifying glass I could see minute worn out metal bits.
I’m surprised both of those cassettes look like a lot of wear on the 8, 9, 10, 11 gears. Don’t know if it’s normal, but I try to make sure I have chainring size so I’m most of the time in the middle of the cassette, and rarely on the extremes.
Most mountain bikes with 12-speed cassettes come with 30 or 32 tooth rings which, in my experience, is usually not big enough to justify going into the bigger cogs unless you are riding some really steep stuff. I'm looking to swap my own 32T out for a 34T for that exact reason; my terrain is undulating with occasional punchy climbs, but rarely do I make it to cog 3, let alone the gigantic cog 1. That being said, most 1x mountain bikes are also not designed to use a ring bigger than 36T, and sometimes not even that, so there isn't a whole lot of wiggle room.
I spin cadence too and I got that kind of damage on my shimano 5800 cassete already after about 1000km. I think it was because I had very fast wearing chain. If chain stretch the load is not spread between teeth so much. Though rather than the chain stretching, it was the rollers that wore quick. The parktool chain wear tool was saing that I should replace the chain, but when measuring with ruler or a different tool that excludes the roller wear and only measure stretch, the chain was perfectly fine. But could worn rollers cause such wear? I can't imagine how. Worn rollers should only be able to affect shifting. Because chain probably not fitting on ramps properly. Maybe people who shift gears more often get that kind of damage on cassette? I change gears very often.
1:12 I got that on SunRace 11-50T in few tens of kms, not as bad just slight, and some and bent cogs and bent teeth at the smallest cog, but after about 400km or so I got it like in this video, along with very bent teeth on the smallest cog, and more bent cogs, but I used pliers to straighten it, and flat surface to check, and used sandpaper to sand down the sharp edges. I've also rotated chain once, and recently installed new chain, and I will rotate until the cassettes and chains done. then I will install Garbaruk 11-50T, I will see how that will go. I've not tried Stram. I was hesitant to try, cus I've seen some people snap teeth on those cassettes.
Impressive, I only got 6000+km out of an SLX cassette 2 chains. I wash up after every ride Metal pushed to the side = A Burr Have you got a video on a jammed up Deore shifter?
Great Informative Video - The English word you are referring could be "Burr", or Burring - Wiki - Burr (edge), deformation of metal wherein a raised edge forms on a metal part which has been machined.
Hallo, do you have any experience with GX cassete? 10 000km on one cassete is fine, but this has good finishing surrface. GX dont. How many km can I ride on GX cassete? Interesting fact is, that my M8000 cassete did over 20 000 km offen in muddy conditions, I changed 2x in year lowest two gears. Thaknks
on my shimano cassette i only replace the smalls cogs, its cheapper than the entire cassette, the biggers cogs still fine for more time, at least in my case, i think because de wear is distributed in more teeths than the smaller ones
1st keep your casset and chain clean 2nd lube it regularly 3rd change chain more often ( use an indicator to check your wear on the chain and change it befor it's completly gone. The more the chain stretches the more wear you will have on your casset )
@@Stefan-st wrong chain? otherwise it's not possible that a new chain, destroys a cassette. by the way: 8 months is pretty much one season,so...that's quite normal.
@@MoshPitCreator I bought that bike 8 month ago from Canyon. (Strive 8.0) The setup should be fine I wasn’t even riding that much. But often in wet and muddy conation. At least my bike shop told me they have to change it 😂🙈
@@Stefan-st Mmm, Lovely Bike! Good choice! And I missunderstood your comment. I thought, changing the chain more often distroyed your cassette, but as you discribed it now, yes, still plausible that under such circumstances the wear of your hole drivetrain must be quit significant. Never the less I can only recommend to buy this chain tool, to check the length of the chain every now and then. You can get these for less than five euros. Best of luck for your season!
I buy second hand parts when I can. also sold a lot of parts. but newish or modern drivetrain parts is rare to find on the Norwegian second hand market. forks are much easier.
You really would hate to see the cassette on my 6 y/o Giant Stance that went through 4 years of college in Salt Lake City (always salty and snowy conditions), my main method of transportation, & the first bike I trained on to qualify for Kona. I don’t know the total mileage over but I know some months I put near 500-600 miles into it.
I want to add that especially people shifting pretty much (like me) probably every day about 1000+ times (riding urban freeride an trial with my enduro) have cassettes looking like the one with 1000km even if they have ridden less or more. For example I am maintaining my cassette extremely well always clean and dry and after about 500km my cassette started to look like it bc of my style of riding. But good video though
I feel like you just said words but didn’t say anything useful. You kept saying maintained vs abused. What does that mean specifically? I have a rainbow xx1 cassette and I have the wear of the “abused” cassette in your video but I ride a lot, maintain it diligently but am still seeing the top coating wear off. I believe this is called wear and tear from use, no? Maybe I’m just not understanding the point you are trying to make.
Now this is my setup, NX Cassette and SLX M7100 RD w/ Deore XT M8100 shifter for enduro use. I am looking for cheap but durable chain without sacrificing the shifting performance for this setup, could you help me please? Thanks
So, the only wayto determine is: 1) having SAME NEW cassette (to have a possibility to compare) 2) having a cassette with BLACK and/or GOLD finishing, where even blind one can see shades of usage. Nice. Try it with any ordinary silver (grey) cassette (99% on the market) and without new one beside.
Did you not watch the video? The whole point was that you shouldn't be looking at the coating wear, but instead feel the edges of the teeth. If you feel mushroomed edges, its getting pretty worn out. The 1,000 km cassette may show more wear in the coating, but it's in better shape because the edges are still smooth.
My 800km xx1 12 speed sprocket is worn the same or a bit worse than your 10,000 km sprocket, only difference is mine was on an ebike, they are definatly a rubbish sprocket on an ebike, shimano xt gives far better wear than sram.
@@TheAllEngineering Unfortunatly i get the exact opposite, but on an ebike, I have found sram a much faster wearing sprocket and the xx1 claims case hardened and shimano xt does not, and the shimano price is 3 shimano for 1 sram xx1.
don't leave dirt on it, clean it regularly and it should be fine. Change your chain when it reaches the first level of wear, 25%, not 50% like low end cassettes.
A ride in mud would wear the coating off the casette no matter how much you clean and lube it. Surface rust would also wear off quickly but clean and lube before outting your bike to bed will make your stuff last longer.
That's what I've bought a SLX cassette for (MUCH cheaper than the XTR I have on my good wheel set) for my second wheel set lol 😂 👌🏻🔝 for very muddy and wet conditions
"How To Estimate Sprockets Mileage." so this video in 7 minutes managed to explain how to tell apart a new cassette from a mildly used one and from a 10x more ridden end-of-live one. Can you please make similarly helpful video comparing "milage" on tires? I would imagine a new one, vs mildy used one, vs thread-is-gone one. So that at the end I am able to voice an expert opinion on the amount of ride time on each with a precision between 10% to 100% of lifetime of the product left. Thank you.
Tires not only wear from use , but also age. There are old(er) tires still looking brand new and many of them are sold as new. And they don't put manufacturing year/month on bicycle tires like on car tires. At least, I haven't found this info.
@@event4216 the post was ironic, the video is a waste of time providing no useful informaiton, he compared a 10k to a 1-2k or whatever ridden cassette, so he may as well show a rekt tire and a mildy used one and educate us in 10minutes on which one is the more fresh one. I have watched a bunch of videos by this dude when ytb suggests me so and the titles sound interesting, it's always the same type of crap. his analytic scientific methods remind me of flat earthers looking outta window and claiming there's no curvature.
1 = 0 2 = midrange 3 = All of the km Edit =) correct but iam a Bike Mechanik so... Last weekend i try to make on my Bike the Chain new bcs it was at 0.50 so.... New chain is slipping like crazy on old casset. Casset is a great GX Eagle and chain is a crappy SX one. No wonder i that i need to change the big Parts of the drivetrain =( I like to get a Cassete like thesyed but about 450 or more isnt gonna happen for me! Great life and at the end low price but this isnt working for me.
Hello, Im a mechanic too, I have a "trick" that bike shops don't want you to know: Use X01, XX1 chain with your GX cassette. It will save you money in the long run. You will easily double the lifespan of our expensive cassettes
The little steel that went to the side is called a burr.
I didn't really know what to call it. I'd go with burr
I'd say it's called gaulling
@@UltraBadass oh i like that better than burr
@@UltraBadass galling would involve material transfer. This is deformation of the casette so calling it a burr is appropriate
Burr 💯😎👍
gold paint wear could be caused by chain rubbing, when rear der do not 100% perfect adjusted.
Shifting is much more tipical cause of this. When the chain climbs on the bigger cog, the cog always brushing the chain's left side
Willing to bet that's titanium Ti coating for hardness
Can i ask, can you use new chain on a old cassette??
@@harrysphincter6496 it is. It's not paint
@@MrM0161 none are painted. They have a high performance coating. Nickle or harder. Nickle can be colored and there's color options
CSI - forensics in cycling 🤣. This is cracking me up 🤣🤣🤣 👍👍👏👏
Wow this video really helps a lot! I can’t believe that you were able to keep a cassette for over 10,000km! Do you think that a sram gx eagle cassette could also last that long if you maintained it the same?
Im riding the 5th chain on GX drivetrain, it lasts about 800k and then it jumps on the gears, but when the chain is new, really really smooth. No adjust requirement... and the teeth of the cassete seems to be good at this day yet... +\- 8000 km in 1 year and 2 months
My gx cassette is currently on its last chain. When I put on a new one it skipps over the teeth, but to this point it has been ridden for about 6000km and I think it will do another 2000.
It was ridden in the wet quite a bit and my derailieur wasnt always that well adjusted, because it took a few hits.
@@obi-wankenobi9871 how often do you switch for a new chain? And how well do your chain rings last?
in regards to your question about thickening of individual teeth, many have said "burrs" I would argue that burrs are made in manufacturing process such as during milling of metal parts. I would call this thickening "mushrooming" which gets created during use such as on the tip of a chisel when material gets displaced during strike of a hammer (for example) or in this case by extreme load created by stretched chain on individual tooth, my $0.02 worth of an opinion
@3:45 a “burr”
@ SickBiker
One way to check which component wears faster than others (for example casette vs chain vs chainring) is to measure it's weight at distance traveled interval (ie 500km) . This also helps to ditch those brands and models that wear faster than expected
3:37 i only know in French it's "bavure" or "metal maté" (= material compressed/compacted) .... i think in english it's "burr" but not sure..
I'd call it a burr.
Szajbajk, totalny szacun. Jak ty to wszystko ogarniasz? Montujesz tu i tu, nagrywasz tu i tu, mówisz na żywo tu i tu. WOW, ja poszedłbym po prostrzej drodze i nagrywał filmy bez twarzy, a audio nagrywał osobno, lub po prostu z polskiego filmu wyciszałbym audio i nagrywał po angielsku( gdybym jeszcze tak płynnie mówił po angielsku) mega szacun, będę o tobie wnukom opowiadał. Jak tylko będę miał możliwość to chciałbym z tobą pogadać, ale to jeszcze nie teraz
Hi Dan. Thank you for another brilliant video. My guess was of course that the second eagle had 10000 km. The golden coat is heavy damaged whereas the third one was really good looking at first glance.
321.
1 looks brand new (no-brainer).
2 looks used but nothing too bad.
3 has looks like it has some fairly significant burrs on the teeth where the chain will put pressure.
EDIT: I was right :)
Dang, that cassette with 10k KM on it looks like it was only ridden a few months! Just goes to show how proper maintenance works wonders!
The racing cassette has some teeth marks from shifting in high torque.
We call that "splinter" either mushrooming or upsetting. It is the only thing to look for in terms of wear that will cause skipping and wear out a new chain fast.
New chains are cheaper than new cassettes, use a chain checker and get a new chain before it is too late.
As the chain wears, the rollers get smaller and the distance between them (pitch) increases - this causes the lips on the edges of the teeth. If you change the chain before the pitch increases too much, you can minimize the wear.
I just burned out a cassette and a chain in 8 months of biking 6 miles a day to work because i didnt maintain my chain properly -and didnt change it in due time.
Good conclusion, but: Coating on newer Xx1 seems to be thinner. My old had about 7000km and looks the same like my second one after about 1500km. Maitance on both is was the same.
If this is true, SRAM is tricking us
@@grooveseeker6269 let's see what happens here to No. 1, which is new atm.
The English word for that steel edge would be called a “burr”
The key there is the XX1 chain, 4 times as.durable as a GX chain, ans therefore, the cassette will last longer. When do you change your chain? 0'5?
Is there a source for that? Otherwise this a worthless claim. The durability comes from the material of the rollers and pins. With the XX1 having hollow pins and the rollers being unlikeley to be different, there is no apparent reason for the XX1 chain to be better.
@@obi-wankenobi9871 i agree with groove but i do not have any proof for it. When i use The gx chain it gets bad so much faster than The xx1 chain. I measure with The parktool chain checker and in some of my xx1 chains that i have been using alot they are only at 0.5 whilst on The gx chain it can get to 1.2 with The same distancw ridden !
4:00 the process to cause that is peening. The raised edges are called burrs or rags.
Someone down there has also mentioned the word Brinelling, which would also apply.
PS people who need sprockets that big are known as "Grannies." LOL.
PPS companies which sell stuff which fails in such an avoidable way are called "Shitehawks."
Thanks for sharing the video. Very helpful to see the deformation of steel edge to indicate wear! Question - How many miles have you been able to ride on a cassette before shifting degrades? I have 11k right now on an XO1 eagle (with good care) and still shifts great.
shifting degrades more because shifting cable starts to move harder because of dirt inside
Burr is the English word for the metal material that has been "pushed" from force and stops your pick . Cool video!
I have never managed much more than 1100km out of a 12speed Sram cassette before I get trouble shifting... I also get about 2000km from a mech if I dont bash it. I get/got nearly 2000km from shimano 11 speed cassettes. Maybe the moral of my story is dont shift under power :)
Yeah, don't do that, I broke a chain on a sram eagle on the first week of use by that same mistake. Not that I didn't know not to do that... But I got excited with the new bike... hahahaha
Interesting video - thanks. We'd call that wear that your pick was picking up a "burr".
A raised edge from working metal is called a 'burr'. I would be more inclined to say they just have a raised edge though as the metal has deformed through use and not through being worked (with a file for example).
I was wondering also if the burr 🪚⚙️ on your cassette could not come from the fact that you are a competitor and you may put more effort 💪🏼 on your drivetrain than a standard cycling guy 🚴 ?💡
congratulations, you can make a cassette outlast my 3, I use an eMTB which provides up to 400% torque (90 newton power motor)and i am close to 15000 kms in less than 2 years of usage , managing is not easy when you consider using it even on canadian winter, so my biggest concern is to find the right "chain" (on my 4th)so i can make my cassette last longer along with my chain ring (on my second one), cheers
I've done 6000km on my Sram AXS 12 speed road Chain, and the wear only shows 0.5mm, I am impressed. But I do cleen the chain once a week at lease or each time it gets dirty, plus using Wax lubricant only.
EXPENSIVE CASSETT!
1=0 2=10k+ 3=1-2k+
3:40 this is called a burr
so bottom line, is it time to change the 10,000km cassette? if not, when would you discard it? after how many kms?
when it starts to slip then its time to get a new cassette
I feel like I'm at the dentist! Great video
3:37 on knife sharpening. its called "burr"
I've heard it called "sharking", as the cogs start to look like shark fins.
that's pretty impressive distance. but keep in mind that how much you shift will determine wear too, not only distance, I have to ride up and down a lot, and wear whole cassette, and use all the gears, and use all a lot. that's the hardest part to document and compare. impossible really, can't have some sensor or counter telling you how much you shifted. maybe that could be a feature on electronic system, but not heard of it being implemented.
It's called a burr - a thin ridge or area of roughness produced in cutting or shaping metal
Can be a verb too! The teeth are burring and producing a lip.
Why do some have laser engravings and the others don't?
my casette does wear off the coating fairly quickly. for more than half the year do I run in extremely muddy conditions and every time I get home after a ride do I have to wash off a thick layer of mudd off the bike before it goes into storage until the next ride. it gets so muddy in fact that it gets noticably lighter after the wash due to all the wet mud that is caked on the bike. my drivetrain is howeer well maintained, it just gets extremely abused from the poor conditions I ride in.
One other reason of too early wearing the cassette: wrong sized drivetrain. I have a 11-42 on my mtb. On mtb races I use all te cogs. But while doing my base miles, low intensity rides, general fitness build mainly on tarmac(i dont have road bike yet, I live on a pretty flat country)etc, the cogs wear unevenly. Simply I dont need that big range for my everyday rides. The smallest 3 cogs looks worn like hell now after ~10 000kms, and the other 7s are almost like new. Only the two smallest are replaceable, now I have to throw into garbage my lightly used cassette because the worn, non replaceable 3rd cog. So I decided to buy a road cassette for training this year and pick up a new big range one for only racing. The same thing on the chainrings, I use 38T for training and 32T for racing... Important to replace the chain in time, makes your cassette lasts much longer.
I work on ubereats i did last season 50000 km please talk about bicycle for work wat todo when you do so many km
English isn't my first language either, but I would call the teeth you pointed out "deformed" and the part of the tooth where your pick stops a "deformation." I hope this helps. Good video mate!
technically its not really a burr i think because a burr is caused by cutting raw steel. But the cassette is a finished product that got deformed.
@@BIKEMAN21 I'd call it a burr but technically it's mushrooming.
@@chairmanmeow8388 Agree. It's a kind of plastic or ductile flow under pressure.
Actually rear cassette worn out is not visible to naked eye, but only when your chain starts to slip... I had this case with Sram road cassette. Only under magnifying glass I could see minute worn out metal bits.
I’m surprised both of those cassettes look like a lot of wear on the 8, 9, 10, 11 gears. Don’t know if it’s normal, but I try to make sure I have chainring size so I’m most of the time in the middle of the cassette, and rarely on the extremes.
Most mountain bikes with 12-speed cassettes come with 30 or 32 tooth rings which, in my experience, is usually not big enough to justify going into the bigger cogs unless you are riding some really steep stuff. I'm looking to swap my own 32T out for a 34T for that exact reason; my terrain is undulating with occasional punchy climbs, but rarely do I make it to cog 3, let alone the gigantic cog 1. That being said, most 1x mountain bikes are also not designed to use a ring bigger than 36T, and sometimes not even that, so there isn't a whole lot of wiggle room.
@@vomErsten that's sad. I d like to put 40T in the front so I can pedal my enduro downhill at 90kph.
@@_systemd Har har.
I spin cadence too and I got that kind of damage on my shimano 5800 cassete already after about 1000km. I think it was because I had very fast wearing chain. If chain stretch the load is not spread between teeth so much. Though rather than the chain stretching, it was the rollers that wore quick. The parktool chain wear tool was saing that I should replace the chain, but when measuring with ruler or a different tool that excludes the roller wear and only measure stretch, the chain was perfectly fine. But could worn rollers cause such wear? I can't imagine how. Worn rollers should only be able to affect shifting. Because chain probably not fitting on ramps properly. Maybe people who shift gears more often get that kind of damage on cassette? I change gears very often.
Shimano cassettes are made from much cheaper softer metal and they’re not made as well as xx1 / x01 cassettes which is why the wear out much faster.
1:12 I got that on SunRace 11-50T in few tens of kms, not as bad just slight, and some and bent cogs and bent teeth at the smallest cog, but after about 400km or so I got it like in this video, along with very bent teeth on the smallest cog, and more bent cogs, but I used pliers to straighten it, and flat surface to check, and used sandpaper to sand down the sharp edges.
I've also rotated chain once, and recently installed new chain, and I will rotate until the cassettes and chains done. then I will install Garbaruk 11-50T, I will see how that will go. I've not tried Stram.
I was hesitant to try, cus I've seen some people snap teeth on those cassettes.
Impressive, I only got 6000+km out of an SLX cassette 2 chains. I wash up after every ride
Metal pushed to the side = A Burr
Have you got a video on a jammed up Deore shifter?
Would call that a Burr
Great Informative Video - The English word you are referring could be "Burr", or Burring - Wiki - Burr (edge), deformation of metal wherein a raised edge forms on a metal part which has been machined.
Some call it "brinelling" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brinelling. The same damage can occur on bearing faces due to impact.
Hallo, do you have any experience with GX cassete? 10 000km on one cassete is fine, but this has good finishing surrface. GX dont. How many km can I ride on GX cassete? Interesting fact is, that my M8000 cassete did over 20 000 km offen in muddy conditions, I changed 2x in year lowest two gears. Thaknks
Change your chain when 0'5 stretch is reached. If gears slip with new chain, its time to replace it
on my shimano cassette i only replace the smalls cogs, its cheapper than the entire cassette, the biggers cogs still fine for more time, at least in my case, i think because de wear is distributed in more teeths than the smaller ones
Nice Tip man, gotta write that down!
So what’s the maintenance you did to keep the cassette for so long?
1st keep your casset and chain clean
2nd lube it regularly
3rd change chain more often ( use an indicator to check your wear on the chain and change it befor it's completly gone. The more the chain stretches the more wear you will have on your casset )
3. Destroyed my cassette in 8 months
@@Stefan-st wrong chain? otherwise it's not possible that a new chain, destroys a cassette. by the way: 8 months is pretty much one season,so...that's quite normal.
@@MoshPitCreator
I bought that bike 8 month ago from Canyon. (Strive 8.0)
The setup should be fine
I wasn’t even riding that much. But often in wet and muddy conation.
At least my bike shop told me they have to change it 😂🙈
@@Stefan-st Mmm, Lovely Bike! Good choice!
And I missunderstood your comment. I thought, changing the chain more often distroyed your cassette, but as you discribed it now, yes, still plausible that under such circumstances the wear of your hole drivetrain must be quit significant.
Never the less I can only recommend to buy this chain tool, to check the length of the chain every now and then. You can get these for less than five euros.
Best of luck for your season!
I buy second hand parts when I can. also sold a lot of parts. but newish or modern drivetrain parts is rare to find on the Norwegian second hand market. forks are much easier.
You really would hate to see the cassette on my 6 y/o Giant Stance that went through 4 years of college in Salt Lake City (always salty and snowy conditions), my main method of transportation, & the first bike I trained on to qualify for Kona. I don’t know the total mileage over but I know some months I put near 500-600 miles into it.
I want to add that especially people shifting pretty much (like me) probably every day about 1000+ times (riding urban freeride an trial with my enduro) have cassettes looking like the one with 1000km even if they have ridden less or more. For example I am maintaining my cassette extremely well always clean and dry and after about 500km my cassette started to look like it bc of my style of riding. But good video though
4 years of use no slip shifthing or when pushing hard pedal i think that's good deal for 400 + USD cassette
@SickBiker
hi Danny, what do you think of the sram axs? You haven´t done a video on it but I am curious what you think about it.
how do you take care of your cassette?
I feel like you just said words but didn’t say anything useful. You kept saying maintained vs abused. What does that mean specifically? I have a rainbow xx1 cassette and I have the wear of the “abused” cassette in your video but I ride a lot, maintain it diligently but am still seeing the top coating wear off. I believe this is called wear and tear from use, no? Maybe I’m just not understanding the point you are trying to make.
3:50 its called a "burr"
The word you're looking for is Burrs. :)
Burrs is plural, burr is singular. To add to the op.
I would use 'tooth-face deformation' or just 'deformation'
Metal bent over the edge might be "peened"
Was going to say burr but many others have already said it.
You could use a cobalt blade deburring tool like those sold by Shaviv and keep using it lol.
1- 0 miles, 2-10,000 km, 3- 1,000. Doh! I fell for it😁
wow a new cassette like yours is £395 in the UK wow
thanks for review boss...someday i want that one
So which cassette was deformed / burred ? your cassette ? the one with 10000 km ?
Aweosme video very fun and I didn’t get the riddle right h fortunately :)
My xx1 cassette has a bit over 5000km on it and is well maintained but looks like the second cassette because its wet and muddy
Now this is my setup, NX Cassette and SLX M7100 RD w/ Deore XT M8100 shifter for enduro use.
I am looking for cheap but durable chain without sacrificing the shifting performance for this setup, could you help me please? Thanks
Work hardened burr
So, the only wayto determine is:
1) having SAME NEW cassette (to have a possibility to compare)
2) having a cassette with BLACK and/or GOLD finishing, where even blind one can see shades of usage.
Nice.
Try it with any ordinary silver (grey) cassette (99% on the market) and without new one beside.
Did you not watch the video? The whole point was that you shouldn't be looking at the coating wear, but instead feel the edges of the teeth. If you feel mushroomed edges, its getting pretty worn out. The 1,000 km cassette may show more wear in the coating, but it's in better shape because the edges are still smooth.
105er R7000 11-Speed 40000 Kilometer !
Excellent and ty.
I would call that a burr
The teeth on the 10,000 km cassette has Mushroomed
So that's the term?
My 800km xx1 12 speed sprocket is worn the same or a bit worse than your 10,000 km sprocket, only difference is mine was on an ebike, they are definatly a rubbish sprocket on an ebike, shimano xt gives far better wear than sram.
I have bikes with SRAM and Shimano drive trains. My SRAM drive train consistently gets way more mileage than the Shimano.
@@TheAllEngineering Unfortunatly i get the exact opposite, but on an ebike, I have found sram a much faster wearing sprocket and the xx1 claims case hardened and shimano xt does not, and the shimano price is 3 shimano for 1 sram xx1.
How can i maintain the xx1 gold cassette?
So you used a chain for 2 years. Which chain lube did you use
Original Bear pee from the Polish mountains
@@rcs2003 It certainly makes you go faster! 😂🤣😂
Très bonne vidéo
How do you maintain? It seems new. Mine is more than 3k now but its almost the same on second cassette
don't leave dirt on it, clean it regularly and it should be fine. Change your chain when it reaches the first level of wear, 25%, not 50% like low end cassettes.
Use xo or xx chains they have a harder wearing surface and this limite wear.
I think 2?
Merci. Good tip
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Like the cassette can replace new part
Just change the pieces not the whole new one
It you rode in the mud more frequently, those burrs would be ground away.
A ride in mud would wear the coating off the casette no matter how much you clean and lube it. Surface rust would also wear off quickly but clean and lube before outting your bike to bed will make your stuff last longer.
That's what I've bought a SLX cassette for (MUCH cheaper than the XTR I have on my good wheel set) for my second wheel set lol 😂 👌🏻🔝 for very muddy and wet conditions
Without looking at the answer, number 3 looks more worn out. You can see the shark teeth shape whereas in number 2 the teeth are still "square"
"How To Estimate Sprockets Mileage." so this video in 7 minutes managed to explain how to tell apart a new cassette from a mildly used one and from a 10x more ridden end-of-live one. Can you please make similarly helpful video comparing "milage" on tires? I would imagine a new one, vs mildy used one, vs thread-is-gone one. So that at the end I am able to voice an expert opinion on the amount of ride time on each with a precision between 10% to 100% of lifetime of the product left. Thank you.
Tires not only wear from use , but also age. There are old(er) tires still looking brand new and many of them are sold as new. And they don't put manufacturing year/month on bicycle tires like on car tires. At least, I haven't found this info.
@@event4216 the post was ironic, the video is a waste of time providing no useful informaiton, he compared a 10k to a 1-2k or whatever ridden cassette, so he may as well show a rekt tire and a mildy used one and educate us in 10minutes on which one is the more fresh one. I have watched a bunch of videos by this dude when ytb suggests me so and the titles sound interesting, it's always the same type of crap. his analytic scientific methods remind me of flat earthers looking outta window and claiming there's no curvature.
Number 2 is worn most
Thought this was a Syd and Mackey video with Mackey putting on an accent
You count from right to left🤔
What's the point and purpose?
Of your comment or the video?
Sherlock is here
Szajbajk czy to ty ?????
The thing is called burr
Je le veux pour moi combien coûte
Man, if you setup your transmission wrong way, you can kill it within 1-1.5k km.
1 = 0
2 = midrange
3 = All of the km
Edit =) correct but iam a Bike Mechanik so...
Last weekend i try to make on my Bike the Chain new bcs it was at 0.50 so.... New chain is slipping like crazy on old casset.
Casset is a great GX Eagle and chain is a crappy SX one. No wonder i that i need to change the big Parts of the drivetrain =(
I like to get a Cassete like thesyed but about 450 or more isnt gonna happen for me!
Great life and at the end low price but this isnt working for me.
Hello, Im a mechanic too, I have a "trick" that bike shops don't want you to know: Use X01, XX1 chain with your GX cassette. It will save you money in the long run. You will easily double the lifespan of our expensive cassettes
Can i have some extra parts? =) cause i cant afford
You know what really grinds my gears? Seeing people shifting while pushing on the pedals but not with Shimano 12 speed drivetrain 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nice:)