China worries me .. I once heard a saying “the Chinese will make apartheid look like a holiday” I am concerned that only one side of the story is being told and either the EFF has been blind sighted or there are other nefarious agenda’s How many Local jobs will the Chinese take .. there education and work ethics are way higher than ours. The likelihood of the Chinese investing in industries in SA is that our people will be taken advantage of and become cheap labour. When will we learn that their is no such thing as a “free lunch”
Very informative... Strange that Shivambu advocates for China so much... No country can aid foreigns with no ill intentions... If China was partnering with Africa to develop the infrastructural skill, for Africa to develop itself, that would make sense. And this works against the Africa Trading amongst itself initiative, and as Mashabela has asked, yes it does creative a dependency on other countries, which can never be good.
They are gaining alot, he is merely saying they are not raping Africa, they might be bribing us for recourse unlike europe and US, China is offering something to be favored, theu are not ordering us around, any new discovery of resources China stands a better opportunity of being the first prefference i think that is what his saying 15:31
I could not agree more. There is no transfer of skill from Chinese companies. They build roads with their own laborers which doesn't make sense as these are common functions that Africa does. Mining as well. The African Leaders need to stick to their guns of transferring of skills because we are loosing out and they gain through unserviced debt.
very informative and it's common knowledge that China needs raw materials against of credits or finances projects . Nothing is free , normal trade . The main trading partners of China are US and EU , Africa is important for everybody as raw materials supplier. The main African issue is corruption, until it is fixed - nobody can help , even China.
Shivambu is right about imf/wld bank conditionality coz that's what's happening in Kenya. Plus colonial administration mechanism has remained virtually unchanged including batuk army base 🤷 On China he seems abit naïve.
China has no resources beside humans and technology. Africa has all, the human ability, natural resources awaiting transformation. The greatest risk in Africa is leadership, they are greedy, They often govern outside the mandate of the electorate, as such they seek power from west, east and north. These give at huge cost, externalization of African resources. Look at what price diamond, lithium, uranium and cobalt is externalized to these countries. African leaders need to do away with different borders and have one leader that is universally elected by the African leaders in a parliament, one constitution, one bank and one currency, one army, one police one passport.
I find Floyd Shivambu a very interesting Jew. He recent bragged about his political idol by mentioning Friedrich Engels. This man come from a German Jewish family. Karl Marx, a Jew, also followed the tracks of Friedrich Engels. So, Communism is existentially a Jewish idea originating in around 1840 to 1890. That ideology was created based on the conditions for the circumstances then. The technological advances have left this ideology as a stone age dream. The economy of scale created by using advance machines demolish the Engels and Marx economy. Further as an economist I have not seen a proper draft of integrative flow diagrams from anyone in my lifetime which draw a layout describing a simple economic model. The most advance countries and academical institutions have found it difficult to describe this. For some reasons politicians are the masters in creating fantastic economies which fail all the time.
Honestly, l think African brothers and sisters, they should learn or take advantage of the educational system from the Chinese. That way u wouldn’t need to rely or depend on others.
Because we Chinese people have a great hatred for colonialism. The problems you are facing now are the same as what the Chinese people encountered 100 years ago, dignity and sovereignty are not easily obtained. There is a phrase in front of Tiananmen Gate: Long live the great unity of the people of the world.
Please apply critical thinking and speak to other Africans normallocals and to the Chinese locals on how wonderful everything is. We have to protect the sovereignty of our country and our citizens … China worries me .. I once heard a saying “the Chinese will make apartheid look like a holiday” I am concerned that only one side of the story is being told and either the EFF has been blind sighted or there are other nefarious agenda’s How many Local jobs will the Chinese take .. there education and work ethics are way higher than ours. The likelihood of the Chinese investing in industries in SA is that our people will be taken advantage of and become cheap labour.
Problem with these guys, they are.good with ideology and they know how to articulate it. But they lack discipline. They are easily enticed by materialism and the love of soft life.
King David you have an soothing spirit that obviously is showing through this discourse with DP Shivambu, that has created a condusive space for an informative discussion. Seeing our DP this light and calm is such a beautiful sightseeing, this world could a better place if we have more people of your caliber and soul. Black men in conversation, much love and respect to you both.
You are a breakaway party which is very convincing because it was not built on hatred or any shenanigans but principle of modern concept of modern fight against imperialism which is a elephant in the whole context because our broad church is failing to confront head on but we clinching on it I don't know why... but keep it up guys
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very informative, this is the kind of content that needs to be taught in classrooms. colonialism never ended.
He really knows what he is talking about. That's the truth.
China worries me .. I once heard a saying “the Chinese will make apartheid look like a holiday”
I am concerned that only one side of the story is being told and either the EFF has been blind sighted or there are other nefarious agenda’s
How many Local jobs will the Chinese take .. there education and work ethics are way higher than ours.
The likelihood of the Chinese investing in industries in SA is that our people will be taken advantage of and become cheap labour.
When will we learn that their is no such thing as a “free lunch”
Very informative... Strange that Shivambu advocates for China so much... No country can aid foreigns with no ill intentions... If China was partnering with Africa to develop the infrastructural skill, for Africa to develop itself, that would make sense. And this works against the Africa Trading amongst itself initiative, and as Mashabela has asked, yes it does creative a dependency on other countries, which can never be good.
They are gaining alot, he is merely saying they are not raping Africa, they might be bribing us for recourse unlike europe and US, China is offering something to be favored, theu are not ordering us around, any new discovery of resources China stands a better opportunity of being the first prefference i think that is what his saying 15:31
I could not agree more. There is no transfer of skill from Chinese companies. They build roads with their own laborers which doesn't make sense as these are common functions that Africa does. Mining as well. The African Leaders need to stick to their guns of transferring of skills because we are loosing out and they gain through unserviced debt.
@@86mazet people are always in it for themselves. So one needs to keep their eyes open when dealiing with these so called international "friends"
very informative and it's common knowledge that China needs raw materials against of credits or finances projects . Nothing is free , normal trade . The main trading partners of China are US and EU , Africa is important for everybody as raw materials supplier. The main African issue is corruption, until it is fixed - nobody can help , even China.
I must sit down with this African tank Shivambu
The Chinese have kept their Ancient Wisdom. They think in terms of millennia, not in decades. Very wise.
The EFF should've garnered many more votes because of the clear sighted vision for the rapid progress of S. Africa as Floyd clearly articulates.
Shivambu is right about imf/wld bank conditionality coz that's what's happening in Kenya. Plus colonial administration mechanism has remained virtually unchanged including batuk army base 🤷
On China he seems abit naïve.
Well spoken knowledgeable about geo economics
China has no resources beside humans and technology. Africa has all, the human ability, natural resources awaiting transformation. The greatest risk in Africa is leadership, they are greedy, They often govern outside the mandate of the electorate, as such they seek power from west, east and north. These give at huge cost, externalization of African resources. Look at what price diamond, lithium, uranium and cobalt is externalized to these countries. African leaders need to do away with different borders and have one leader that is universally elected by the African leaders in a parliament, one constitution, one bank and one currency, one army, one police one passport.
Communism ideology is about community building in every form, as by capitalism it promotes privatization that profit private businesses.
I find Floyd Shivambu a very interesting Jew. He recent bragged about his political idol by mentioning Friedrich Engels. This man come from a German Jewish family. Karl Marx, a Jew, also followed the tracks of Friedrich Engels. So, Communism is existentially a Jewish idea originating in around 1840 to 1890. That ideology was created based on the conditions for the circumstances then. The technological advances have left this ideology as a stone age dream. The economy of scale created by using advance machines demolish the Engels and Marx economy. Further as an economist I have not seen a proper draft of integrative flow diagrams from anyone in my lifetime which draw a layout describing a simple economic model. The most advance countries and academical institutions have found it difficult to describe this. For some reasons politicians are the masters in creating fantastic economies which fail all the time.
the WHO is also a colonising force, i would love to hear Shivambus take on neoliberal dominated global health
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Honestly, l think African brothers and sisters, they should learn or take advantage of the educational system from the Chinese. That way u wouldn’t need to rely or depend on others.
Because we Chinese people have a great hatred for colonialism. The problems you are facing now are the same as what the Chinese people encountered 100 years ago, dignity and sovereignty are not easily obtained. There is a phrase in front of Tiananmen Gate: Long live the great unity of the people of the world.
Vbs money stolen
Proof?
Floyd is led by Malema who is not a thinker. He needs people like think who can change the current structure
Stop exposing yourself... people with small minds talk like you about Malema
OHM vision would be a fresh start to remove party politics, and give power from the ground up. But we are not yet ready for this.
No man , these are the type of leaders we need to propel AFRICA to its glory.
Please apply critical thinking and speak to other Africans normallocals and to the Chinese locals on how wonderful everything is. We have to protect the sovereignty of our country and our citizens …
China worries me .. I once heard a saying “the Chinese will make apartheid look like a holiday”
I am concerned that only one side of the story is being told and either the EFF has been blind sighted or there are other nefarious agenda’s
How many Local jobs will the Chinese take .. there education and work ethics are way higher than ours.
The likelihood of the Chinese investing in industries in SA is that our people will be taken advantage of and become cheap labour.
@@BelieveInMiracles888 u missed the point.
Problem with these guys, they are.good with ideology and they know how to articulate it.
But they lack discipline. They are easily enticed by materialism and the love of soft life.
Whenever The EFF talks we learn something new not like promising jobs every day for decade like Anc while unemployment rate is getting worse everyday
King David you have an soothing spirit that obviously is showing through this discourse with DP Shivambu, that has created a condusive space for an informative discussion. Seeing our DP this light and calm is such a beautiful sightseeing, this world could a better place if we have more people of your caliber and soul. Black men in conversation, much love and respect to you both.
You are a breakaway party which is very convincing because it was not built on hatred or any shenanigans but principle of modern concept of modern fight against imperialism which is a elephant in the whole context because our broad church is failing to confront head on but we clinching on it I don't know why... but keep it up guys
South Africa you have this great mind man. A think tank. Utilize his knowledge 🎉🎉🎉
Over and above population comparative let's not forget primary commodities in both agriculture and mining
Shivambu speaks the truth, he speaks like CIC Julius.keep it up guys.God gave u the wisdom and ur are all a blessing to us as Africa
That is nonsense. The world bank is a stock entity. Anyone can buy shares in the world bank.
It remains to be Seen if China’s influenced in SA and all of Sub Saharan Africa is positive or destructive,