MOST POWERFUL 9mm Ammo in the WORLD Tested! Buffalo Bore 115 gr 9mm +P+ VS .38 Special+P
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- The infamous Buffalo Bore 115 gr 9mm+P+ that has a listed velocity and energy of 1,400 FPS and 500 ft lbs energy! Today I am testing it in ballistics gel as well as my classic Jug-or-Not bologna pack test. I am also firing from 25 yards at my 10" steel gong to test for accuracy. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
I know some people like to falsely claim that two rounds of something that add up to the same energy as one different round make them both "the same" like two rounds of 9mm and one round of .44 Magnum having the energy. But for fun, If I happened to take this 9mm pistol and the one spare magazine that comes with it and carry that setup with 35 rounds, those 35 rounds times 566 ft lbs energy makes a total energy of 19,810 ft lbs energy. This is a ton of "firepower". Statistically speaking all you need is probably 3 rounds of .380 ACP (less than 500 ft lbs total energy) for your average defensive situation. So no real reason for this comment other than to have fun with the numbers. Now I will say this; when I have studied "one shot stop" statistics, there seem to be three things that put a cartridge into the 90 percentile range for stopping power. One is energy, typically over 400 ft lbs of any caliber has high stopping power; Two is velocity, typically over 1,200 FPS of any handgun caliber(not rimfire from a rifle) has high stopping power; Three is diameter, typically anything over .45 caliber has high stopping power. Some cartridges combine two or three of those statistics, but with at least one of those requirements being checked off you probably have a decent caliber/cartridge of choice.
I don't care what caliber or gun you use. There is no replacement for placement.
@@dansparrow1506 practice training under different levels of stress will help with that shot placement
@@dansparrow1506 you know, I have been studying the whole myth of power/stopping power and the conclusion I have come up with is that you can carry a varied range of calibers and it all comes back to the comfort level of the shooter to the particular pistol/revolver. The more comfort the more a person is likely to enjoy shooting and will shoot more. More range time equals more accurate shot placement into the vital areas of the attacker which equals higher chances of shooter's survival. Which is the point. We all know the faster, bigger bullet will have more ft lbs of energy. We all know that that means higher probability of first shot stop. However, if that means carrying a weapon that isn't comfortable to carry or shoot, the chances of hitting a vital area or even possibly missing a moving attacker diminish.
Moral of the story is to buy and carry any caliber larger than a .380 that you like to shoot and enjoy range time and don't worry about the ballistics of the whole thing. Unless you are a bullet nerd like me.
@@robertmosher7418 Well said Robert! When I first started in the hobby I was all about going with the bigger round (.45) for "stopping power" but after buying a 9mm I found it was easier to shoot and better/faster follow up shots for me personally. I prefer 9mm cause I just think with modern day defensive jhp rounds and higher capacity they are more then capable of taking someone down. Now if jhps didn't exist and only fmj were around I might opt for a higher caliber. I just think 9mm is the most balanced round between capacity, velocity and expansion and easier to shoot that you can't go wrong. The key is just having something to protect yourself and family...Period.
Seismic 185gr 9mm load let's see that
Sam is literally out of breath after describing all the testing he will do. Can we just appreciate the effort and expense to provide content that RUclips wants to cancel?
The rheumatoid arthritis, kids and life don't help lol
absolutely! Sam is to be applauded for what He does for us!
@@GunSam Do u hve arthritic thumbs, like no cartilege left? I do and i'm pretty sure it came from shooting hard kicking powerful but light guns one handed.
@@GunSam I'm with you, same boat for me, I can relate. My work is hard and I've been doing it over 24 years, I have 7 surgeries from it. Thanks for your work, its top class.
@@GunSam It may be obvious, but is it safer to shoot the 9mm Luger + P + from a revolver that uses a .357 magnum instead of from a pistol?
The 9Mm+P+ appeared to be pushing the bullet beyond it's design limits.
yes. A little bit
Wondering if those are cup and core or bonded bullets?
@@jorgesolis9468 anything but what they're using currently.
@@jorgesolis9468 underwood extreme defender would work with that loading as well.
They issued us 9mm +P+ on my job.
I seem to recall several state and city agencies using the 9mm 115 +P+ with excellent street results.
The hydrostatic shock of the 9mm 566lbft of energy being absorbed in 10-12" has to be a devastating wound. Not discounting FBI penetration data, just thinking out loud...
The FBI data takes into account side shots through an arm into the thoracic cavity. Front shots require no more than maybe 4" in a body or simulation equivalent of 8" of ballistic gel. Hydrostatic shock is a medical term where over 2,200 FPS shuts down an organ, but I knew what you meant.
I did not expect the 9mm +P+ to have as that much energy. That's approaching .357 Sig territory.
@Ethan Mac Good point.
.40 is nowhere near the class of .357.... especially in penetration
Ballistics is my strong suit .... I hear everything you're saying... a 150 grain .40 would be a hot round but most likely would be a shallow penetrator... yes a revolver casing vs semi auto...clearly .357 is longer..which further supports my theory that .40 is considerably out classed .. .357 mag was made to penetrate...and deliver alot of energy which it does well ... but having 7 shots in my 686 and two 6 round speed strips in my front pocket.. I dont feel any disadvantages honestly...
@Ethan Mac
i shoot mostly 150-155gr in my cz75. they are lower recoil in lighter loads than 180gr but are really movin (1300+) when you approach max spec. i have yet to make me some gel but i've seen some tests with some loads that are pretty close. good depth and expansion
@Jason Voorhees CH CH CH AH AH AH lol
I have watched every video release for years, I am happy to see the gel block in the last two videos. Very informative!
Wow, that is one HOT 38 spl load. Just goes to show the 38 spl is still a very viable self defense cartridge all these decades later.
That 9mm load is very impressive. I've never gotten 9x19 to go that fast. The 38 is no slouch either. Both seem to have the energy to drop a pest.
Yeah, I been afraid of this round for a long time. In reality, it's nothing. I think the TAC-XP .44 I tested at over 1,000 ft lbs in my 37 oz model 69 either cured, or ruined me for other rounds.
@@GunSam I think it's been well demonstrated that 200 ft-lbs is sufficient. Of course more is more. Helps make up for slightly less than optimum shot placement.
@@Nostradamus_Order33 I've tried. I've gone as light as 90gr .356" bullets for 380 ACP over a stuffed case of Power Pistol. Best I got was just kissing 1400 fps. The bullets exploded on impact. No penetration at all!
2.0 is faster than a glock in general a lil American secret
Try some black hills ammo 9mm 124gr. +p... I got 1400 fps average from a 5 shot group from a cz scorpion. That's about a consistent 530 ft lbs of energy. Slightly longer barrel but it's also a slightly heavier bullet.
Agree with Tyler, I shoot n collect more of 38. And you do thorough work , n testing.
Thanks for watching
Best ballistic comparisons on RUclips, and without trying to put down one caliber over another.
Thanks!
9mm fan boys :finally a load that can "rival " .357 magnum
357 sig : Hold my beer
.357 SIG is the best Glock. It's the only Glock that doesn't misfire when u "limp wrist" (a bad name for when u can't get a good grip) it.
I clicked onto Buffalo Bore’s website after you shot the .38 special into the gel! Thanks for Sharing! 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I'm sure they appreciate that lol
IMPRESSIVE! Both the 38 and 9mm loads shown have several applications. Love the new videos with both the gel and the Juggernaught box. Great video!
Thanks!
In the sixties, I would occasionally come across boxed WW2 surplus U.S. military 9mm ammo, marked "9mm for machine guns only". I fired it through a Colt 9mm Commander with a four inch bbl. While I experienced no operating problems, recoil was quite stout, and there was a pronounced mussel flash. I believe that this was a bit hotter than +P+.
Impressive ballastics from both round. I particularly like the .38+P
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
Hey Sam that was a very educational video and fun to watch. You make learning so fun. Seriously loved it. I vote jug or not is more educational
Thanks.
Good comparison, thanks for taking the time to put it all together.
Thanks for watching.
You did it Sam! That's the comparison I've been waiting for. Awesome review today! Great choice of ammo because that's what I primarily shoot but, that side by side with Jug Or Not & Gel was SWEET! Great work on the gong today as well. Your the Man, Sam!
Thank you.
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That 9mm is amazing! I’ve been waiting on this test. With 17 rounds of this in the magazine, what other duty caliber round does one really need? Underwood use to do these hot rounds with the gold dot bullet. Now THAT would be an excellent police load!
That was a well-rounded test, it proves a lot to me; thank you.
You blew the lungs right out of that gelatin block
That is the coolest .355/9mm cartridge I've ever seen! (: I am definitely a fan of .38 special, but I can't ignore that auto cartridge's performance. Another fantastic video, Sam. Thanks! 😎🤙🏻
Better and better. Keep doing those awesome vids!
Where do we go to watch all the great firearms and ammunition videos after RUclips stops them? I really enjoy videos like this.
I see that a lot of people have moved to odysee.com
Glad to see both the gel and jugs. Outstanding video!
Thanks!
Thx, besides the 9mm+P+ vs 38spc+P comparison which was interesting,,, I have to tell you, your outdoor shooting lab is one of the best I seen, very well thought out to capture the projectiles and the best camera angles. Job Well Done budd
Thank you.
Seeing this 9x19 load exceed 1500 fps blew my mind. I'm not aware of any .38 Super matching this velocity. Others have written of the .357 Sig; however this 9 really extends the versatility of the Parabellum after a century plus of development.
Yeah, impressive but 357 sig is impressive in its own right. At least on paper 357 sig puts out 10mm power, in fps and force. Ironically the only downside is the price of 357 sig
I like that buffalo bore. I think i will get a box of each to play with.
Fantastic set of tests! Thanks for doing this, Sam!
Thank you, tanks for watching!
Wow,that Manlys up both of those,that nine is just smokin.
Enjoyable demonstration of the jug or not box and gel together
Thanks for watching!
Good job! Yes Underwood makes a similar round.
Choice Ammunition's 148 grain Hard Cast Lead Flat Nose Truncated Bullets claims to achieve 515 Ft Pounds of Energy. If possible please compare this Choice Ammunition 148 + P.
Great video! Really like seeing the gel block wound cavity and penetration!
Not disappointed in either. Pretty impressive velocity & energy.
Any chance with these tests you could include a single shot into the gel with the short barrels for comparison? Enjoying your new gel blocks. It’ll be more eco friendly since we won’t be destroying baloney and water jugs :D
Oh i'm still destroying jugs lol. But I probably will run the .38 through my snubby .357. Not sure i'd shoot the 9mm in any other gun I have.
They put in big red letters in the Smith and Wesson owner's manual not to shoot +p+ through it . Lol
Well, I understand that lol. My rundown in general with +P+ ammo, is that it's all fine for well made larger pistols like Glock, Sig, S&W etc. But we all know, if gun companies did not write the warning, some moron would take a 9mm+P+ round and put it in a Diamondback DB9 and go to town. Liability man lol
Smith is just as stout as any other gun on the market
@@jasonvoorhees2701 I've shot +p+ out of mine too
@Florida Cracker I don’t know what you’re talking about. The S&W M&P was built around the .40. The Glock was not, so if any gun shouldn’t fire +p+ it’s Glock. Plus Glock’s barrels don’t have full support. I’ve shot plenty of +p+. Just don’t shoot a steady diet of it.
#1 they also say no home loads for most guns . #2 How many rounds do you fire to be sure you can TRUST IT ? Before you ever really use it , you have shot lots of rounds ! = more abuse to the gun . I think there are better choices .
Awesome!! I am a fan of both rounds. They truly both have their place.
Basically BB ammo turned a 38 into a 9mm and a 9mm into a 357mag. Great ammo for sure
The issue with the BB 9mm is not for a matter of "street" use, though it can be in the depicted hollow point rounds. BB +p or +p+ ammo appears to be typically for the outdoorsman who may encounter aggressive and dangerous predators (2 or 4 legged), while alone or with others who are vulnerable. The "autopsy" of the bear killed by the 9mm hard-cast "Outdoorsman" ammo in the Alaska brown bear guide shooting showed that the individual rounds penetrated all the way to under the hindquarters skin, after traveling the full length of the bear. It seems to me that in a handgun, this level of penetration is primary to its effectiveness, along with the ability to keep it on target at paw shaking quarters.. Any handgun short of the super magnums,..460 on up to .500, makes little difference in energy transferred, if there is no overwhelming hydro or mechanical shock, such as might be visited upon an offending 4 legged predator by a 12 gauge rifled slug. My guess is that the difference between a .355 hole and a .44/..45 hole is negligible sans rifle level velocity with accompanying shock. Just a thought. And I would not necessarily like to find out for sure in "real life".
Incredible , The power of a really good 357sig!
That was a damn good video. Love the 9mm para and the .38spl. Thanks for your hard work.
Thank you.
Sam I watch tons of videos. Yours are at the very top. The way u explain and test are the best
I know it is more work for you, but showing the results in gel with the ballistic box is very interesting and informative. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching!
Those 38s are no joke. That's matching the 80s FBI 357Mag velocity with the same bullet weight. It's also identical to the original 357Sig loads. That's good stuff if you can tolerate it in a pocket pistol.
Good work 'Maestro' - thanks for sharing with us.
Great to see the new gong. You needed a new distance target
Truly appreciate your editing and presentation style with the Picture in Picture. Well done.
Thanks Sam. Good to see some high performance 9mm & 38 special without overpenetration.
Thanks!
This was the best video I have see yet for a good example setting for the 9mm comparing it to another good gun. Thanks was very helpful.
I like the clear ballistic gels, but there is something much more satisfying seeing what the bullets do to the meat pack and water jugs. I also like seeing you shoot up the melons, as they also show a big difference between the hollow point and full metal jackets.
Thanks for the video.
Caught this box of ammo last minute, it looked really vintage to me (thought it was just a box of 12gauge)
and then I proceeded to examine more closely at it, it was 9mm!
A bit of coin spent on this video for the BB. Thank you SIr!
Man you got like every handgun bullet out there gel tested.
Can confirm that Underwood has +P+ 115 at 1400 tested (by their declaration) from a 4" barrel. I use a stainless 4.5" 416R barrel with comp. in my Taurus G3 and it works with their ammo just fine. Would be curious to see a chrono of the Buff Bore or Underwood ammo out of a 4.5" My guess is an average of 350fps per inch for the Buff Bore/Underwood. So a 4.5" would be throwing it out at 1480-1550fps.
This 9mm packs a punch. 38 special is impressive too. That's a good demo testing with excellent pip view of get. Good presentation 😎👍
Federal used to load a +P+ 9mm.
Im pretty sure it was a 115 grain HP, too.
Back in the 90's.
But it was primarily a LEO offering.
Most of those agencies who issued it, I think, primarily did so in SWAT MP5 sub guns.
Illinois state police. ruclips.net/video/3Bt4XBh4kDI/видео.html
Glad I found this channel. Great data and no bullshit. Love it.
The 9 mm light and fast loads smack explosively and dump energy in the target. I’ve played around with .36 cap and ball through the ammo shortage. 140 grain flat top conicals moving 800-900 fps punch through a water jug without moving it. Holes just magically appear on the plastic. By contrast, loading an 83 grain round ball moving 1,000+ fps punches the same hole, but kicks the jug 3 feet off the ground.
A fine job you are providing a good format. Thank you
Nice video again!!!
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Thanks!
That is the same velocity as a .38 Super gets from a 5" barrel...very impressive... And tahanks for doing tests in both mediums...
Just picked some up for 27$ a box!! So ready to try it out when it comes in!
I carry that BB load in my SP101. Never felt a reason to use .357 Magnum. But again, that 9mm round is impressive. Great job on the video.
Thank you for this info Sam......very good job !!!!
Wow, those are both booking it! Awesome video, Sam!
Thank you.
BB and Underwood get their FPS velocity out of a 4" barrel fyi. Or they did, so 4.5"-5" barrel will get more horsepower. So 115gr at 1475-1500 is an average with my testing from both companies. Both are some of the best ammo made as well. Glad I found the video, good run Sam!
Really impressed with the performance of the .38, seems like that would be an excellent carry round. I have a Kimber K6s 3 inch I am going to try that in and see how my gun likes it
Probably would run great. I don't know what velocity to expect, but probably in the 1,150 range.
I’d like to see the 357 mag in that test
First. You do good work. I'm rooting for the .38 😁
Thank you.
Fantastic work! Those are both some wicked rounds.
Great video, thank you for the hard work.
Thanks!
Knew that 9mm would fly apart quickly
Alaskan Ballistics YEP they are pushing that particular bullet a bit too fast,,,they need to use a more heavily constructed bullet that is a combination of thicker jacket and bonded,,,,,however on soft target such as the normal human body with nothing too hard to hit in the way it would be very deadly,,,,or in a shorter barrel where the velocities are slowed down a fair amount it might stay together better thereby penetrate better and not fragment so badly,,,,every body gets way way to hung up on velocity and foot pounds of energy,,,to a point that's fine but it isn't the whole picture by any sense of the word,,,the first issue with such ammo loaded into the +p+ realm as they want to call itis there is no limit to just what kind of pressures you could be talking about,,,,SAAMI neither recognizes nor sets any max pressure limits for such +p+ ammo, so it is more up to the company or individual just how bravely or maybe foolishly they are to push the limits of just what the rounds case and guns chamber/barrel can handle before and without warning it turns from gun to pipe bomb,,,at least with just +p loadings SAAMI has tested and set a more prudent and logical upper limit for the various calibers in which such +p loadings are offered,of course some would argue that with the newer offering called the 9mm nato changes that,,,but that is still nothing as set in stone like the normal +p loadings are, and I hardly think the slight velocity gain is worth the extra wear and tear on the gun of either the +p+ or the NATO can dish out,,,,the whole hung up on velocity and energy thing is something I've learned in my nearly 40 years of hunting,,,,I've killed my share and then some of Elk, deer, black bear, moose, grizzly bear, and many other critters over the years,,,,I thank God never had to shoot a human being so I can't say much about that,,,but in the wild animals I've shot over the years I've used everything from 357 magnum handgun on up to 458 LOTT, an example to what I'm saying about the velocity/foot pounds energy thing is a few Elk I've shot,,,one in particular was a rather nice size to say the least that came in to sight just out of the blue and unexpectedly one year,,,I was just getting set up and into my blind a couple minutes after doing a bugle just to see if I could get an answer,,,well I did get an answer and was just about to get into the blind and call that bull in,,,well as I turned from the bugling to go into the blind I caught some movement in the brush just about 75 yards away and a second later out of the underbrush bursts a rather nice size bull looking right at me,,,both he and I just froze for what seemed like forever,,,my rifle was inside the blind and if I was to even take a deep breath he would be gone klike a rocket,,,,well on my side I had my 4 inch barreled 686 357 loaded with 180 grain hornady XTP bullets that I load myself with a good hurky load of H110 powder,,,,well after the couple seconds of frozen staredown he realized he better get out of there, he wasn't in too big a hurry and gave me just enough time to draw my 686 and send one of those 180 grain XTP's into his chest cavity,,,the bullet entered just in front of his shoulder on the side that was facing me at an angle both down and laterly that it took out the tip of his heart and the off side lung,,,he went about 200 yards or so strait down hill and I got to see him topple over and stop kicking within just a few seconds,,,he was about 40 yards away when i shot him,,,,I've also had an elk(a cow during cow season) come in under nearly the same situation but this time I had my ruger model 77 mk2 chambered in 338 win mag at the ready (my favorite Elk rifle),,,and at about 50 or close around there I touched off a perfect behind the shoulder shot,,,,,well that shot did way more damage than the 357 did to the other Elk and the cow went even farther before crashing down dead,,,my point to the story is even though the 338 had WAY WAY more velocity and energy than the 357 it was really no more effective at killing than the 357 was,,,foot pounds energy and velocity is needed yes but is not what does the killing it's vital tissue destrustion that kills,,,and that holds true for any animal human or wild,,,so why torture you and your equiptment with such ammo as +p+ or even just +p,,,,so long as the bullet reaches vitals it's going to do the job, and I don't really think a few more FPS or foot pounds energy is going to make a rats ass difference to a human target anymore than it really did to those 2 Elk,,,,of course we all get hung up on it for some reason don't we LOL.
@@looseballs1966 great way of putting it. Lot these guys are chasing how munch more FPS they can push. With super mags in small light bullets trying to push faster.
@ alaskan Ballistics. Could of call that 115gr pushing that fast with hollowpoint . Old say trying make a 9mm what it's not. If u want 357 mag performance should got a 357 sig or bought 10mm. Or just bought the 357mag
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@@looseballs1966 Hey, bro, i didn't read all u wrote because it looks too big and intimidating. Break things up into paragraphs. Many more people will read it then.
I was with you up until the pest control observation at the end for the 9mm....I’m a revolver fan at heart also... Love your vids... always well done...
Awesome. Vid. I’d like ya to do all the Buff Bore 9mm in one vid.
I have just loved Buffalo Bore's ammo in my revolvers and will be fascinated to see what it does our of a PCC
You might want to look up Hirtenberger L7A1. lol
I read those things are pumping out about 600 ft/lbs of energy. With a 124 grain bullet.
But they're not designed for pistols. Might go boom.
Dat smitty wess 2.0 9 Most underrated 9 out there
Buffalo Bore makes some wicked hot stuff. I have some 9x18 MAK from Buffalo....you don't want to have a long range session with them. It's cool that you added the clear gel just as a comparison. Next to my CORBON, Buffalo Bore is my preferred 38 Special +P carry load in my 605. Thanks for the presentation.
Thanks for watching!
Back in the early 80s when LEOs were still carrying revolvers mostly 38 Spec Policedepts were looking for more power and capability out of 38 Spec. A man named Lee Jaris of Supervel was one of the first to market these rounds. 1200 fps was considered normal for a +p round. 9 mm wasn’t even being used yet but Supervel made hot rounds for 9mm as well. Larger manufacturers like Remington and Winchester followed suit and everyone was offering hotter loads. It was these +p 9mm that made the 9mm attractive to the military and the police. It was around 1985 when the military started testing of the first Super 9s which had 15 rd. magazines that the Police also started adopting them as well. More recently it is very hard to find hot .38 Spec rounds probably because of many very light weigh snub nose revolvers that could fit the bullets in their chambers but could not handle a steady diet of them!
As always, great video and comparison!
I've got some Ranger T 127 grain +p+. It's been a long time since I looked at it. If my memory serves me right, its velocity is around 1250-ish. The longest barrel I have for it is the 4.7 inch on my P320. I expected more penetration from the Buffalo Bore 9mm.
The ranger T series 127 grain plus P plus is what I carried as well… I just switched over recently to spear because my rounds were four years old and I didn’t have any more left , in theory they may function well but I’m not willing to risk it
That was FUN!! Nice job!!!
Thanks!
Another video I missed I have been a big semi auto guy for ever until i recently rediscovered revolvers.357 .38
Another great 👍review 👏
My personal choice is the revolver.... the 9 +P+ is impressive but it's just easier to go with a 135 grain Underwood 10mm or a 357magnum if that much power is desired. I'm kinda cautious ⚠️ about the +P+ in a small auto loader also. I'm not a 9mm fan-boy I don't care about (FAIR) I want what gets the job done but if a 9 is all you have go for it is my thinking.
He was simply having way too much fun blowing up water jugs!
Excellent video buddy good work.
great test Sam, Federal also makes a 15 gr, plus P + load. I think Tenn made a vid of it.
The fact is, both rounds you've tested will suffice for a defensive load.
Very good information! Thanks for the video.
That was awesome! That 9mm did exactly what I would want for CCW.
Awesome Sam. Thanks for the comparison with the gel block in the same video as the jug or not. What is that 9mm bullet. Is it the 115xtp?? Pretty impressive. That 38+p is smoking too. Seems like 1125fps is the sweet spot on that 125 xtp for reliable expansion. Your videos/testing and Lucky gunners gel test is what led me to get to 1130fps with my snub 605. 8.0 of W231 in a 357 case gets it there. I'd have to go look at my notes to see what the 4inch barrel did with the same load. Got to work up the titegroup load still with that 125xtp but I'll get there eventually. As always thanks for the content
Those are hot rounds for sure. I’m a zealot for at least 124gr weight in my 9mm ammo, so I wouldn’t be interested in the 115gr. The 124gr on the Buffalo bore website shows it’s only slower by 100fps than the 115gr. I might like to see how that does in my Glock 19 and 43X. Thanks for the introduction to this hot round.
I might have to test that. I have some 147 gr +P+, but not the 124 gr +P+
@@GunSam I would like to see the 147 +P+ as that's what's in my VP9 for guard and home duty. Underwood w/ the gold dot bullet.
I think this test really shows the superiority of your testing methods compared to gel. It's more real world. Gel is fine but to actually go through flesh and bone simulation shows how devastating these two rounds are. Let's face it; the thought of getting hit with those rounds after looking at the bologna pack says it all. Keep up the great work!
Thanks. What was eye opening for me, is when I saw a video of a guy holding a fragmented and expanded 129 gr Hydrashok bullet (.38 Special) that he recovered from a hog. Looked exactly like the bullet condition after my Jug-or-Not test. But that same round into gel, total failure to expand. So it's a balance of testing, no one professional will except any test other than gel, yet at the same time gel does not give real world results despite "experts" saying that gel is a representation of tissue.
That buffalo bore is crazy fast. No way that doesnt fragment into oblivion on impact. Theres a balance between expansion and speed.
Edit: it held together pretty darn good. Shocked by that
Great video
Wham bam thank you mam....good hard hitting rounds for sure...be sure to measure the ambient temp when using the clear gel or the gel temp itself.. it will change penetration data
Excellent video, as always.
At my old dept our issue 9mm round was the BPLE 115 (later 124) grain +P+ as over-penetration was of great concern in an overpopulated beach town and again, beach town, so heavy clothing really wasn't an issue most of the time. FWIW, they now issue the Federal 124 gr HST (my new favorite non +P load). But, I still load up most of my 9s with the +P+ ammo as that's what I shot through them the most and I know where it hits and have the best idea of what it'll do. My Glock 26 and BHP especially. My Walther P99, though, well when I got it, my old dept gifted me a heaping helping of the HST and it shoots them very well so that's whats in it. The 9BPLE out of my baby Glock (just under 3.5" bbl) clocked from just over 1200fps to about 1250fps and from the 10.5" bbl of a Colt 635 it clocked 1475fps, so at a guess I'd say Buffalo Bore's is even hotter. Might not be the ideal coast-to-coast load for LEO work but for densely packed cities, coastal area with thin clothing, and civilians I'd say it's a darn fine round.
As for that .38 special load ... WOW!
I am getting sort of partial to Gold Dot and Winchester Ranger lately. Sometimes ammo choices are just how they make you feel, and for me there's something about how a medium weight bonded bullet does in most of my testing. I think overall a true jacketed bullet can get higher potential energy over a plated style bonding, I don't know why but I have experimented with same powder charges between Gold Dot and XTP and the XTP always moves considerably faster. It's only speculation, but I think maybe the plated style bonded bullet deforms in the bore a tad and absorbs the energy, as where maybe a true jacket bullet does not and essentially defects all that energy into the bullet base more.
@@GunSam - That's an interesting theory I have not heard anywhere else. Definitely worth researching. Thanks for the info! :)
Wow. Generally prefer ballistic tests using gel. Here ... both gel and water jugs. No complaints. Both loads were outstanding. For LEO, the .38 perhaps tapped more bases. The 9mm was hot as the hinges of the theological place of eternal torment! BB really gets the max out of just about any caliber. Given that I keep a 226 loaded for HD, will definitely have to give this BB 9mm load a hard look. The .38 load would without doubt be excellent in any decent revolver. In fact, looks like you take any common handgun, load it w/ BB ammo and you have about the best you can get for that caliber.
I appreciate the work and info, will try to find some of this ammo. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this video.. I love the 357.. def a badass huge bullet.. 9mm or 380 still my favorite side arm unless I'm going to bear country