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I was wondering if it's possible to choose to invest in 48 different stocks dividend companies and invest enough money to make $5k to $10k in each of them so 48 times that amount that's $240k to $480k that's good enough.
its this kind of logic that will keep you poor, if you dont have the mentality to have "excess money" work for you rather than working for your money, then you will forever be a slave to the system. the rich are rich for many reasons, whether they inherited it or not, they all make their money work for them.
@@bassheadunion Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for saving up, being frugal, and making my excess money work for me. But anyone who can feasibly have $1000 excess or even $500 excess a month is doing well enough not to understand the struggles of the “rat race”
@@thegreatyeetus4893 i wish this was true, my parents def do not have money, never taught me anything about life and i struggled hard, first marriage i was cash broke constantly and couldnt stay in a place even a year cuz of job loses and such. My second marriage now i have money and that is due to me investing my time and money into her since she had a better career path, we both had low credit scores 6 years ago, i was able to make our halfway decent incomes work to their maximum about 70-80k each, raised our credit while buying my first home, sold that less than 3 years later making about 300k, taking that money and using that to reinvest in crypto and etfs while also furthering her career, from a nurse to now an np, normally np makes up to 150k a year, shes specialized in wounds so i negotiated her first contract to 225k yr, we left that company less than a year and i negotiated her next company to over 300k, we left that company to a company we see growth with and are investing in so we are on track to over million in next year. All this is to say, i have always known it takes money to make money, what you do with that money makes a huge difference, having small goals with a plan and large goals with a plan is how you get there. Also i have not worked my union job in over 3 years i know just manage our money and goals. So please make a plan, if you are struggling, which i totally understand especially in bidens econmony, how can i make more money rn, is where i am working a job or a career and where will this career take me, the same goes for your spouse. If you need a career a union is always a good place to go, i never wanted to be in constuction but as a younger man that is what made financial sense and i dont regret it. If college is what you think fits as long as you have a clear line of site of the endgame then its not a waste of money. Hope this helps
Look a thousand a month would be ideal to contribute, but most of us that are just starting are probably looking at between 100 to 500 a month to start
@@everlonggaming1966Sometimes I feel as someone living in what some call a third world country with much lower income (difference currency rates compared to the dollar) that on average for life necessities we're doing better than the average american. I don't know why the average american is struggling so much and I wish things get better for you and for us as well.
@@seifeldin94Because many Americans buy big cars and big houses. A truck or SUV are cool but cost much more than, lets say an Toyota Corolla. Same with house a 6 room house for a family of 4 is enough the but you dont need to have 2000 square foot, you can have the same amount of rooms with like 1300 square foot.
In the DRIP scenario you're not allowed to withdraw money. You'd have to sacrifice some of that continuous compounding at some point if you wanted to live off dividends. After you reached that breakpoint you'd re-invest enough to keep you above. I would be interested to see that point at which you can begin to withdraw those dividends without losing purchasing power.
Just take it all ....its not gonna affect your gains or losses. Then pass it on your portfolio to your kids and grandkids at an upgraded price and tell them to drip till they get old .
There are capital gains to consider too. If I were to buy PMO at $8.60 per share and have about 9000 shares making $320 a month in dividend income; one has to wonder if my 9000 shares were suddenly worth $14. Do I realize a capital gains of $45,000 or not? My guess is that you absolutely have to sell some shares and simply reinvest when the security falls back to below $9 per share.
My yearly goal is to work less hours than the previous year. Age 18 I was working 66hrs a week, by age 28 I was working 56hrs a week, by age 32 I was working 45hrs a week. In 2024 my goal is to just work 40hrs a week, thanks to dividends I'm able to spend less time at my job and more at home.
@fredoman2683 I unload on ETFs on the month of September and October, historically the stock market tends to be red during those months so you're most likely to buy the stock when it's on its lowest point. I invested 10% of what I had saved up those 9-10 months, so it's about $7k a year, with a dividend yield of 11-13%. I'd saying I add about $700-$800 on dividend income every year, do it routinely every year starting when I was 20, by age 30 you can start having around $10k of dividends which where I live covers 5-6 months of utilities and groceries.
You should never expect to live purely off of dividends. If you ever get to that point, then you are probably pretty rich either way and will live comfortably regardless. Your goal should be to invest so that your dividend income will complement any other sources of income that you are generating.
If you are generating a source of income than you are not retired (unless ofc it is completely passive- ie you sold a book or some shit). The realistic goal is to live off dividends and asset sales combined long enough to reach death. If you live on dividend alone while that is amazing, it results in a very large account you take to your grave. Will be nice for your kids to squander it at least.
If I'm getting my dividends in USD then 700$ to 1000$ are more than enough. I guess you can retire much earlier if you decide to live elswhere, say mexico, Brazil or SEA
@@helciocampos I'm not american so I'm not sure. I heard you pay the US taxes even if you are working and living elsewhere, it is not the same with other countries. Check with the gouvernement websites you'll find something. In anycase, the taxes at some other countries are a fraction of what you pay un the US and the sum of taxes and living expenses is less than the cost if living in the US. That's my case anyway
My strategy is much more casual: I contribute as much as I can, as wisely as I can of course reinvesting for now. The day I feel like retiring or am forced to I will suit myself to the funds I have available. But no doubt dividend growth and compounding are key elements to optimal results. Thanks for the videos!!
Sounds like a plan bro, let your dividends reinvest until you retire and you'll be golden. I plan to turn off DRIP two years before I retire so I have a nice cash nest built up.
If you don’t mind me asking. What type of account do you have these investments in and what are some good dividend stocks that’s have the qualities mentioned?
You need about $800k to live off dividends comfortably. $800k invested into good monthly dividend paying ETF's will pay you upwards of $70k a year. give or take a few thousand. Before taxes. So if you don't try to live like a multi millionaire, and just wanna leave comfy, then $800k = $70k in yearly dividends is sufficient.
@@Kevinw4040 schd is garbage.. It doesn't pay a monthly dividend.. JEPQ, JEPI, QQQY, JEPY.. You split up $800k among those four and you can live comfortably, no problem.
@@jworthy9833 i have $569k divided up between JEPI, JEPQ, and QQQY and my expected remaning dividend income for 2024 is $88k. I'm single with no kids.. I can live easily off that.. I'm reinvesting the dividends so the monthly income will continue to grow with every dividend payment.
However; 1. Most people has a skewed view on how much they need each month. They think their current wage is the lowest they need to survive, and then some. But it's really way,way less. And if you start downsize your expenses you both can save up faster, and have a lower goal to reach. 2. You don't start with "high" dividend shares. The dividend isn't really that high. You start with higher growth stocks, whether they give out a dividend or not. That way your money will grow faster, and when it gets close to start cashing out you can switch to dividend stocks.
Have a combination. Dividends are really free money, so even a few div stocks can give a little bit that you can invest in higher risk investments. That way if it goes bad you've not really lost anything.
I like the spreadsheet. Something to consider is you have a set amount of 2% inflation which is vastly understated. Generally people have assumed 3% is the typical inflation number however that would also be inaccurate. In reality, we have hit between 8-15% for the last 5 years and show no signs of slowing down. You may also want to mention in your video to utilize a Roth Ira so you do not have to pay taxes in earned dividends which would better pump your portfolio value over time.
so if the tax rate is the same, for example 10% (I wish lol but just for examples sake) investing 100$ now in a 401k (tax exempt) and then paying 10% taxes when you retire, or investing 90$ now in a ROTH and paying no taxes when you retire actually returns the EXACT same amount of money, you have to run NPV functions to understand it fully but the reason to invest in both is not because ROTH is better its because you can assume that tax rates will go up with the US leaning more and more left every year for the last 30 years. If that switches then you will have wished that you had put more money into a 401k because withdrawing from roth if the pretend tax rate went down to 5% would mean you paid higher taxes on your income than you should have lol
all im saying is that mathematically its exactly the same amount of money if your tax rate is the same. The reason is if you contribute 90$ to roth it means you would have been willing to contribute ~100$ (like 99 to be exact) to a 401k which after all the compounding amounts to the same exact income level when accounting for the same 10% tax rate. The benefit of both accounts is trying to switch which ones you are withdrawing from based on the tax rate, and also alot of employers match traditional 401k which means that one is usually more worth it.
I am trying to find the name of the video that explained this fully but it was really good because I used to be obsessed with ROTH and just didnt understand the math behind it. I still love them and have that dream of having a massive family roth account which never gets taxed lol, but if its just for retirement purposes its of the same value (if tax rate stays the same)
@@jonathanbauer2988 A Roth IRA you will not have to pay taxes after you retire as long as you wait until 59 1/2. This goes for contributions and earnings. So the Roth Ira would come out ahead and they are not the same. You can research this for yourself
Food for thought, your cost of living will most likely increase over time not strictly by just inflation. Assuming you want to have a family i.e kids, house, etc that will dramatically increase the cost of living as you get older. Now I understand that not as easy to track then an average inflation value over time but something to be aware of.
COL really should be separated into segments and added together. Housing, for instance is static relative to inflation if you have a fixed rate loan and doesn't rise with housing inflation
Having a house dramatically decreases your cost of living in your later years. Once it is paid off you cut a massive expense from your life. It's far harder to retire with an active mortgage or when renting.
valid point but this is for retirement, so although those costs may increase, do you plan on having those kids living with you when you retire, do you plan on not having a house paid for or nearly paid for by then? probably not the case so although inflation increases cost you should be reducing many costs by retirement, no car payment, no house payment, no high credit card balances, and so on.
Good video but isn't 9% way too much for the dividend growth projection? Since the calculation is considering really long periods of time, 20+ years, arenìt dividend growth stocks unable to hold that high grow rate for that long? Since they are bound to slow down, and I think the core of this calculation is all relative to the compounding effect of the dividend growth, 9% feels way too high. But yeah prove me wrong or try to explain it, maybe I'm missing something!
So basically 9% of 100 = 9 as the compound takes place those 100 will grow to let's say 300 and by then 5% of 300 is more than 9% of 100.. The only thing is does is making the exponential curve a little less steep, but by then you would already have surpassed the Cost of Living ( hopefully )
@@t0bakken1337 yes but the 9% is applied to each dividend payout so that's what makes it exponential, it's not applied to the start value, it's applied to the previous value. so my point is that 9% is way too high because the growth of the dividend is not gonna stay at 9% for 20 years
You're not wrong. Everyone and their dog talks about "high yield trap" (ie buying stocks for high dividends like 8%+ only to see it cut down later), but almost NOONE talks about "high growth dividend trap". I think you're spot on - extrapolating current high div growth into the far future is also quite risky. Most companies, as they reach a certain size, stop growing so fast. Graham talks about this in his book The Intelligent Investor
I like how you were able to provide an example of a company that pays low dividends but you don't have an example of one that grows at a ridiculous amount and they increased the amount of their dividends. Think about it. How is that company ever going to make any money if one person giving him 12 grand a year is going to cost them 50-100 grand annually. It's not going to happen. Real estate is something that can provide you that kind of monthly income after paying off the mortgage which would be close to that $300k you would have put in. But with real estate you get tax write offs left and right
60,000 is the minimum amount required to get working wage dividends. High % ETF that goes slightly up in price as well every year would be multiplicative enough to grow expenentially each year. Let that 60k sit in these funds for 5 years and you will have a lot of money, close to 320,000, accounting for inflation and for market changes over year
Things this lacks: - When you start to live off the dividend, you will no longer add DRIP or monthly contributions, this will result in cost of living catching up at some point, depending on the market..
Cost of living will most likely not catch up actually, IF you are invested into dividend growth stocks. Dividend growth rates have historically been far above inflation rates.
@@Dividendology The risk with dividend growth stocks is that they might slow down at any time. e.g. when you start with a 2% yield, it grows nicely for 5 years, and then grinds to a halt, because the company can't grow just as quickly anymore. And of course, no one can predict far into the future with any accuracy. This is seriously worth exploring as a risk. Not every company is a superstar like Visa. Hence I advocate having 4%-7% safe yielders as part of the portfolio.
The thing everyone needs to actually do things like this is a great start in life: Get a job while living with mom and dad, then invest 80% and enjoy the 20% doing with it as you please with the freedom of not worrying about bills. If you had a single mom like I did that only cared about lining her own pockets then avoid the job altogether. When my kids are old enough to work, I'll suggest it to them that I'll keep 50% of their paycheque and when they move out they can have all the money they gave to me.
This is what you do: -Deposit 20K in your broker account - search for German car manufacturing companies stocks they offer 8% 9% dividen - use leverage to buy 150K in stocks and receive 12K in dividends yearly -move to any country that allows you to live with 1000 dollars a month
You need 2million invested at 4% dividend payouts a year, that’s 80k a year, if you manage to spend less then that a year then your income and portfolio will consistently grow each year and you’ll be able to have more dividends each year if you reinvest whatever dividends you reinvest.
@@bighou2359 probably, lol. I would say, it's either that or sacrificing really hard for 5 years or so and then a steady approach afterwards. I know people who got involved with FIRE (financial independence retire early) and just really saved a lot over about 5 years, to get into the position to where they wanted to be financially. It definitely helps if you have a partner like a spouse or you can even get a bunch of buddies together to get it done. Couple I know, just decided they were going to only live off one salary. They banked the entire second salary. Both had 401ks at work, with matches. They went down to one car, cutting out payments and insurance. They then had side hustles, like they both were Uber drivers, where they took turns driving in the evenings and they banked 100% of what they made on that. At the same time, they bought and lived in houses they were fixing up to sell, 100% of the profits were banked. Now they had pretty good jobs, so they were saving a lot, between everything, they were banking well over 120K year, not counting the dividends on their investments or the profit selling a couple of houses. After about 5 years they scaled back, no more 2nd jobs or rough houses, because they had 7 figures in the bank. I'm little older, but I decided to work on it too. I was able to downsize my house and payoff of new place and then bank what I was already paying on a mortgage. Went down to 1 car, by moving closer to my work. Was able to more than double my saving rate, plus cut out a huge chunk of my expenses. Just retired a couple of months ago at 55. Wish they taught FIRE in high school, I'd have been financially independent a couple of decades ago.
It appears to me that you should simply try to earn a market return of say 10% or possibly 12% in your dividend growth example, then switch to a higher starting yield in retirement. Either way, you want a good return no matter the strategy. Therefore whatever strategy employed, you still have to follow the principles of starting early and being consistent with investing regularly. I believe there may be a slight flaw in your analysis because when I tried to replicate your model, if the price growth is higher than the dividend growth, there are some interesting results. Essentially when price growth exceeds dividend growth, it is like buying an increasingly more expensive asset that still has the same cash flows. In your example of using a starting yield of 7.5%, if you drop the price growth to zero, then you would have sufficient dividends to cover your monthly expenses before the 30 years ends. Just saying. Might want to reevaluate your analysis.
The problem with that strategy is the BIG tax implications that the "switch" has. If there were no taxes, then yes, build a growth portfolio in your 20s and 30s, begin switching in your 40s and switch all the way to dividend stocks in your 50s and 60s and probably to bonds in your 70s and 80s. BUT this is in a dream world, in the real world where taxes have to be paid, the best way is the start with a dividend growth portfolio, looking for 1.5-3% dividend yield and at the same time an average anual price increase of 8-10%. The idea is to never sell the stocks, therefore never paying capital gains and only paying taxes on dividends.
Just out of curiosity, is a 9% annual dividend growth rate over 30 years, even a realistic thing to expect? Anytime I see that exponential growth line in a portfolio, I'm always very skeptical of it and that 9% annual growth rate for 30 years seems like something that is not sustainable or feasible
Quit my job to, selling stuff from thrift shops, building guitars and basses to sell, going to make 60k to invest this year so I can get my time back with my partner. No debt, no house but sometime next year I’ll get her dream house built. Work is your best friend so get to it!
Taxes cant be ignored. It will effect you every step of the way. Also as another comment mentioned need to take into account how not reinveting later effects things. Finally lack of growth will hurt you. A balanced profolio is usually most pl best bet.
Assuming no wife, no kids, no elderly parents, no extra medical expenses. If you ever get a divorce, half of your nested eggs are gone and child supports, real life is more complicated. You need to be very lucky and healthy to be able to retire much early
@@aleccozi6458 Meaning don't get married, don't have any kids, don't associate with your elderly parents, don't get sick and accumulate medical expenses...Like those stupid decisions???
@@josephbranham5770 Getting married and having kids are stupid decisions, especially when the Welfare State encourages broken families to keep the family courts and support bureaucrats in business. Young men are better off staying single and focusing on wealth building rather than getting involved with women who know the power of the State to rob men for the benefit of both the State, and the woman, is on their side.
For it to grow you have to let it compound and to let it compound you have to reinvest the dividends at which point you are just generating taxable events for no reason. Much better in that case to use growth funds that do not generate dividends to avoid tax drag and then just live off of withdrawls.
I don´t think this is a good comparation between high yield vs. high growth dvd. You used 2% price growth rate, 0 dvd growth rate and 7.5 dvd. yield, however, using ARCC as an example: 6.84% growth rate (1year) , 4.65% dvd growth (5years), and 10.09% dvd yield (fwd), there way more examples than arcc, like obcd, main, etc.
Hi, seen several worked examples in the Uk where this ends up happening to keep an income going. How long do you intend living for and what are you going to be spending your money on when you are bed bound or don’t know what money is? Best to spend it in the early years of retirement while you can still enjoy it. And before you ask I don’t think I’ll make retirement but I do want to have money in place in case I do. Take care M
Have you considered the possibility of cashing out some of those dividends for paying off your monthly expenses, instead of re-investing them? If so, how much are you allowed to cash out per month, in proportion to the size of your monthly dividends?
Hey love the channel! I recreated your spreadsheet when you showed it in a previous video and made the % reinvested variable. I like to use 80% reinvested (assuming you pay 20% taxes on the dividend income and reinvest the rest.) It is interesting to compare to 0% and 100%. Anyway, great vid as usual!
So something people really don’t think about or understand is that a blend strategy is almost always the best strategy. The basis is your core is 50% and your core is usually 2-5 holdings that yield around 3-4% with the growth you note. But to top it off, you blend in 25% for high yields, and 25% for covered options. For 7 years my div growth has been 6% annually, my share appreciation has been 5% annually, and my income yield (dividends and premiums) is at 24%. This is a very moderate strategy that has layers of safety and aggressiveness to get you into retirement much earlier and keep you there!
Thanks for sharing, it is so sad in real life that the tax is one thing stopping us from achieving it, and another carvet is that I doubt very much we can find something with a 9% dividend growth rate per year and the share price only growth of 7%, for those great dividend stocks their price growth rate is likely to be 15% plus. and to be diversified, we need to have at least 10 stocks and pays dividend like that. Do you see Pepsi Cococola still having a chance of growing its dividend like before, for the next 30 years? Building wealth through working on a salary job will really take a generation to complete. So that the dividend portfolio is really for the grandchildren instead of us, but again, before we pass anything on, it's going to be taxed a big chunk of it.
I think coca cola and other lookalike companies will be able to grow their dividend. As inflation goes up so does their prices, revenue, profit in absolute numbers.
@@ZacklFair because your cost of living is next to nothing after that. Even if you dont live in it, real estate is one of the best assets to have. Unlikely you'll be traveling on the move forever
Depends on the roi for the dividend. If the minimum cost of living is $40,000 in today’s dollars and shares pay out like $0.26 per share, you’d need 38,461-ish shares. Assuming you invest in an established stock that would most likely be able to provide consistent dividends, that would prolly be like $100 per share… you’re looking at $3,846,000 for a $40,000 year on year return… then again, this is conjecture and not accounting for the cost of living rising from inflation year on year. You’d probably want even more to be able to reinvest the amount into more dividends to keep up. Also, dividends are not guaranteed. Even if you get preferred stock, the company does not have to pay dividends.
Something I don't understand, since you are looking for a very long time period investment say +20years or more wouldn't it be more interesting to invest in capital than dividend and when you want to retire sell all your capital and buy dividends?
Cost of living is incredibly hard to calculate and forecast. The more you earn, the more you spend. As a youngster our economy was rubbish and I spent a year or so on welfare. I actually had more spare income than when I started as although I was earning twice as much my standard of living increased. The more you earn the nicer the car, bigger the house, etc. I got to earning 100k and my friends on 50k were envious as to how much better their life would be. Except my standard of living wasn't really better than theirs, i just had more expensive stuff. Plus technology advances at a ridiculous rate so you'll want to upgrade. So allow more than inflation when forecasting what you'll need.
I'd also be very careful what inflation rate you use. It's good times at the moment but I remember in the 80s my parents mortgage rate was between 25-30%. We had a nice house but lived like paupers and needed handouts from the church to survive. Things turned and my parents are retired comfortably now but anyone under 30 has absolutely no idea how bad it can get
That’s pretty motivating considering my cost of living is about $2000/month meaning the number will be even lower for me. The problem with this is that the working class does not have an additional $1000/month to invest.
Try to think harder and calculate how much you should invest for $2000 monthly dividend after X years. On my first job I was paid ~$250 for 6 months and still managed to save around 10-15% a month to buy a car after paying rent and the utility bills. Not trying at all is worse than failing!
I'm presuming you're ignoring taxes along the way? In order to reinvest all the dividends you'd have to outlay additional cash to pay the annual long term capital gains each year.
You're assuming a growth rate for this portfolio including dividends, starting at over 10.5%, and by year 23 over 15%, per year. Do you really think that's realistic?
I am confused about one key detail of credit spreads that you touched on: a spread example of selling a PUT @ $50 and buying @ $45. If the strike price ends up being $49, wouldn't the 100 shares be put to you @ $50? How is it that you don't need the capital for 100 shares @ $50? And you mentioned the broker will *automatically* Sell your shares @ $49 once they're put to you...? But you buy the PUT @ $45, so why/how are they automatically sold back @ $49?? That little middle part of the credit spreads where they fall in between your spread and can ultimately be PUT to you has me stuck/confused. Thanks!!
I agree with your long run model but what would you do if you have another time frame with different sized bags? For example up to 7 years and an yearly investment bag size of 100k dollar. How would you play that? Let's keep the assumption of 5k dollar expenses on a monthly basis. Also add a 3 different tax options: 10%, 20% and 30%
most of everyone cannot afford investing 1000$ so no matter how you try to play the game... you aint gonna win.... you are almost better off buying something material and playing the buy and resell game.... like buying houses and doing some renos and reselling, provided you are in a good area.
What if you could put an initial lump sum of $300,000 into a high dividend stocks of let’s say 8-9% and then roll those dividends into a dividend growth stock?
It’s just risky tbh if you have 300k it’s more then enough to make a solid investment in growth stocks tbh. And then have some “high dividend” like 10 or 20 percent of your portfolio
spot on! I was going to say that too, but only if we manage to pay off any loan without really struggling, so to squeeze a few dollars extra each month, we need to stop spending too. so probably won't even need 1500 a month and retire earlier. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching this video as it creates positives for me. However, we are living in a sad world in which we(the working class) are paying debts from previous generations.
I think the dude was just doing a generalized number clearly everybody’s dividends payments are going to be need to be different due to where you live and what life style you still want to pursue..
I mean, it's gonna depend entirely on your costs, you can live on practically nothing with certain lifestyles, an American lifestyle, you have to add medical, and it'll be expensive, but if you own a modest home that's paid off you're looking at not much money. The best you can do dividend wise without losing balance (and thus income) over time is 6% but that's on derivatives, not investing directly in companies, that would be around 2.5% This guy's monthly cost of living of over 7k is 3x my salary
So you're saying by year 23 you'll have a fund that both grows in price by 7% AND has a dividend yield of 5.39%. That's a bold assumption and the only way your prediction works. I think that's unrealistic
to be fair you need to include inflation. thats an extra 8% you have to earn on top if we go by 2022 inflation numbers. After inflation and taxes you likely need 1 million dollars or more to reasonably sustain a comfortable lifestyle off dividends. If you have a part time job at least you probably only need half that.
You've already lost my friend. Inflation in twenty twenty 12 twenty twenty two was roughly four percent. The current rate of inflation is about three and a half percent. Two percent is the goal of the fed current chair. Those goals can easily change within several years.Putting your entire chart way off base.
300k could get me 3k in dividends per month. That's 1 percent monthly. That's what I make at my full time job monthly currently, not including my business. 300k could replace my full time job.
6:24 I'm going to assume that the growth rate you're talking about is annual. If that's the case, the 7% share price growth rate may be realistic in good market conditions, but 9% dividend growth is complete nonsense. Whole S&P500 30 years median dividend growth rate is 6.94. Good luck achieving that with your portfolio.
I have a question about your model tho. It assumes that you continue adding money and compound contribution dividend yields even after the point dividend return surpasses the living cost, but if you're going to living off the contribution will be cut off right? Are we then assuming that the 1000 contribution and the dividend contribution taken from the return yield is going to only after 2xthe monthly cost of living?
Do you peeps in the states not pay a cent of capital gains tax on your dividends? Surely you have to pay tax at some point on all this growth along the way.
What's better than spending your dividends and living off of them, Is to reinvest your dividends and continue to work. Compound interest will make you a billionaire
Hm, in that scenario, reinvesting 100% of dividends, why not just invest into a growth etf. And switch to a dividend etf when you actually want to „harvest“ some of the money.
I followed everything except for the difference between the 2 types of shares that have either the higher starting dividend layout per share versus the higher price growth rate and dividend growth rate. How can you tell which stocks are which?
Also a big crash is eventually coming and at that time we can buy a lot more stocks, so the price growth is not always as you considered. At this moment, after so much upside since 2009 lows, I think to consider a price growth for the next 10 years of 0% is reasonable
Your math is correct, but your perspective about the market is so naive. Let's say I want to retire at age 40 and my life expectancy is 85. That means for 45 years, the market should always go up. There should not be ten-year periods like 1930s, 1970s, and 2000s, where market overall did not grow and my dividend shrinks dramatically. But in reality, it is almost certain that this type of thing will happen in my 45-year retirement life, because it happened every 30 years previously. So my real advice to everyone is to have a much larger portfolio if you plan to retire relatively early. I would say 3 million dollars will keep you safe for 30-40 years if you plan to withdraw around $50-100k each year.
I don’t understand how your sheet can account for the date at which you can begin to “live off of dividends” but still reinvest? At the point where you begin to live off of dividends, aren’t you no longer reinvesting because you’re living off the money?
Yeah well this last happy scenario means that after 23 years of 9% divident growth rate, you get a 25% divident on a stock which has grown 7% in value for the same 23 years and is almost 5x as expensive. Has there ever been such a case in reality?
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it appears to me that you have a couple flaws in the underlying assumptions of your model. First, you assume a cost of living of $4000, but then add in an investment of $1000/month, making your net cost of living actually $5000/month. Second, when you graph the income from reinvested dividends, it only shows where dividends exceed costs, but if you take that as the point at which you can live off dividends, you have to redo the curve from that point on without either further investment or dividend reinvestment. Those could make a huge difference in the answer to the question of when you can actually retire.
Yes, but as soon as you start living off your investments in year 23, you immediately fall behind as you have stopped reinvesting. Every year onwards you have less and less money.
@@Dividendology right so that would be helpful to have a realistic "this is what happens at year 1." "this is what happens if you wait 5 more years" etc... we all do that with our 401ks 🙂
Most people absolutely do not have the ability to invest $1000 a month in their twenties. Maybe half will have the ability to do that in their thirties.
I see why nobody is having kids. Especially with the cost of sending them to college. That demographic and economic collapse is gonna make for companies that stop paying dividends….
I'm approaching 65, and I am saving as much as I can. My goal is to live off of my dividends as much as possible. It is only possible if I save AS MUCH AS I CAN!! It will be tough, but it will only be possible if I give it my best shot. It's tough in todays economy, and placing more in bonds for now will be safe, but still need to get stable stocks with good dividends. For example, KO, O, etc. If I add SS income, I should be able to reach my goal!!
Hi, might want to continue working, here in Uk it used to be 65, now it’s 67 and they want to raise it higher. Interestingly they’re is no forced retirement age, my hero is 72 and still goes to work! How he manages to keep going is the question. Take care and keep well M
4k a yr expenses and 1k a month to invest, what planet are you on? Most things I read are a very high percentage of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. When you're young, you have very little left to invest. The time you start having 1k a month to invest is when you're normally in your late 40s and 50s
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40 years I'm definitely dieing before then
I was wondering if it's possible to choose to invest in 48 different stocks dividend companies and invest enough money to make $5k to $10k in each of them so 48 times that amount that's $240k to $480k that's good enough.
Or to make it easier invest enough to make 975 in 48 different stocks dividends companies holding
Ideally $1 million, but $250k covers over $1,000
@@jedimasterham2 I could make $250k four times a year I be very happy
Drink every time he says dividends
Hahahha
I can’t keep up !!!
I did and now I have alcohol poisoning
Doo0nt feckin telll mi wha do do yu drunk wen he says dollars how bout dat lmao
It’s been 1 minute I already feel myself blacking out 😪
If I could afford a $1,000 monthly contribution to investments then I wouldn’t even need to click on a financial advice video lmao
Make more money.
its this kind of logic that will keep you poor, if you dont have the mentality to have "excess money" work for you rather than working for your money, then you will forever be a slave to the system. the rich are rich for many reasons, whether they inherited it or not, they all make their money work for them.
@bassheadunion and how much do you make? You sound like you were raised middle to high class.
@@bassheadunion Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for saving up, being frugal, and making my excess money work for me. But anyone who can feasibly have $1000 excess or even $500 excess a month is doing well enough not to understand the struggles of the “rat race”
@@thegreatyeetus4893 i wish this was true, my parents def do not have money, never taught me anything about life and i struggled hard, first marriage i was cash broke constantly and couldnt stay in a place even a year cuz of job loses and such. My second marriage now i have money and that is due to me investing my time and money into her since she had a better career path, we both had low credit scores 6 years ago, i was able to make our halfway decent incomes work to their maximum about 70-80k each, raised our credit while buying my first home, sold that less than 3 years later making about 300k, taking that money and using that to reinvest in crypto and etfs while also furthering her career, from a nurse to now an np, normally np makes up to 150k a year, shes specialized in wounds so i negotiated her first contract to 225k yr, we left that company less than a year and i negotiated her next company to over 300k, we left that company to a company we see growth with and are investing in so we are on track to over million in next year. All this is to say, i have always known it takes money to make money, what you do with that money makes a huge difference, having small goals with a plan and large goals with a plan is how you get there. Also i have not worked my union job in over 3 years i know just manage our money and goals. So please make a plan, if you are struggling, which i totally understand especially in bidens econmony, how can i make more money rn, is where i am working a job or a career and where will this career take me, the same goes for your spouse. If you need a career a union is always a good place to go, i never wanted to be in constuction but as a younger man that is what made financial sense and i dont regret it. If college is what you think fits as long as you have a clear line of site of the endgame then its not a waste of money. Hope this helps
Look a thousand a month would be ideal to contribute, but most of us that are just starting are probably looking at between 100 to 500 a month to start
You guys have money left after you pay your bills? Wow
@@everlonggaming1966 You should prob try creating less bills ;D
@@LegDayLas this was ment to be a joke. But ill play along, i guess i could do without food, shelter, clothing, transportation, water, and power.
@@everlonggaming1966Sometimes I feel as someone living in what some call a third world country with much lower income (difference currency rates compared to the dollar) that on average for life necessities we're doing better than the average american. I don't know why the average american is struggling so much and I wish things get better for you and for us as well.
@@seifeldin94Because many Americans buy big cars and big houses. A truck or SUV are cool but cost much more than, lets say an Toyota Corolla.
Same with house a 6 room house for a family of 4 is enough the but you dont need to have 2000 square foot, you can have the same amount of rooms with like 1300 square foot.
In the DRIP scenario you're not allowed to withdraw money. You'd have to sacrifice some of that continuous compounding at some point if you wanted to live off dividends. After you reached that breakpoint you'd re-invest enough to keep you above. I would be interested to see that point at which you can begin to withdraw those dividends without losing purchasing power.
That will be for your kids when you are dead
Just take it all ....its not gonna affect your gains or losses. Then pass it on your portfolio to your kids and grandkids at an upgraded price and tell them to drip till they get old .
There are capital gains to consider too. If I were to buy PMO at $8.60 per share and have about 9000 shares making $320 a month in dividend income; one has to wonder if my 9000 shares were suddenly worth $14.
Do I realize a capital gains of $45,000 or not?
My guess is that you absolutely have to sell some shares and simply reinvest when the security falls back to below $9 per share.
You DRIP until the dividends pay enough for your retirement. After that, spendthe dividends on living expenses instead of reinvesting.
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My yearly goal is to work less hours than the previous year. Age 18 I was working 66hrs a week, by age 28 I was working 56hrs a week, by age 32 I was working 45hrs a week. In 2024 my goal is to just work 40hrs a week, thanks to dividends I'm able to spend less time at my job and more at home.
40 hrs a week is perfect man. It’s a good life balance. Soon enough you’ll be working even less or something that is not really stressful.
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40 hours is still huge. But i see what you mean. ❤
Do you mind sharing how you invested?
@fredoman2683 I unload on ETFs on the month of September and October, historically the stock market tends to be red during those months so you're most likely to buy the stock when it's on its lowest point. I invested 10% of what I had saved up those 9-10 months, so it's about $7k a year, with a dividend yield of 11-13%. I'd saying I add about $700-$800 on dividend income every year, do it routinely every year starting when I was 20, by age 30 you can start having around $10k of dividends which where I live covers 5-6 months of utilities and groceries.
You should never expect to live purely off of dividends. If you ever get to that point, then you are probably pretty rich either way and will live comfortably regardless. Your goal should be to invest so that your dividend income will complement any other sources of income that you are generating.
If you are generating a source of income than you are not retired (unless ofc it is completely passive- ie you sold a book or some shit).
The realistic goal is to live off dividends and asset sales combined long enough to reach death. If you live on dividend alone while that is amazing, it results in a very large account you take to your grave. Will be nice for your kids to squander it at least.
Nailed it.
@@LegDayLasExactly. Let the kids enjoy it later while we enjoy a nice retirement on passive income.
Good words.
Nailed it!
If I'm getting my dividends in USD then 700$ to 1000$ are more than enough. I guess you can retire much earlier if you decide to live elswhere, say mexico, Brazil or SEA
Hell yeah. Right on!
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If I move overseas, do I have to pay tax in the USA and other places too?
@@helciocampos I'm not american so I'm not sure. I heard you pay the US taxes even if you are working and living elsewhere, it is not the same with other countries. Check with the gouvernement websites you'll find something. In anycase, the taxes at some other countries are a fraction of what you pay un the US and the sum of taxes and living expenses is less than the cost if living in the US. That's my case anyway
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My strategy is much more casual: I contribute as much as I can, as wisely as I can of course reinvesting for now. The day I feel like retiring or am forced to I will suit myself to the funds I have available.
But no doubt dividend growth and compounding are key elements to optimal results.
Thanks for the videos!!
Sounds like a plan bro, let your dividends reinvest until you retire and you'll be golden. I plan to turn off DRIP two years before I retire so I have a nice cash nest built up.
If you don’t mind me asking. What type of account do you have these investments in and what are some good dividend stocks that’s have the qualities mentioned?
These videos tend to be god level optimistic. They never take into account losses
Yeah I’m fairly certain this is not close to the returns one is likely to get over a protracted period of time.
Jesus 7.5k monthly cost of living... my guy needs to cut out those luxury car payments
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I know right. 2k a month max. I could stretch 1.2k if I had my own house.
Given that’s 30 years In the future…. $4k a month now is nothing.
$1500 living/bills
$800 food
$500 vehicle/insurance/gas
Phone/wifi
Taxes
@@WhiteWolfeHU 800 for food? What the hell are you eating? Are you paying for a family of 5?
It’s not a car.. it’s a 500k mortgage with probably 10k in property tax a year.
You need about $800k to live off dividends comfortably.
$800k invested into good monthly dividend paying ETF's will pay you upwards of $70k a year. give or take a few thousand. Before taxes.
So if you don't try to live like a multi millionaire, and just wanna leave comfy, then $800k = $70k in yearly dividends is sufficient.
Which divi etf is gonna pay you 70k on 800,000$ invested?? I’m in schd and it’s gonna take more than that
@@Kevinw4040 schd is garbage.. It doesn't pay a monthly dividend.. JEPQ, JEPI, QQQY, JEPY.. You split up $800k among those four and you can live comfortably, no problem.
I’m interested in your theory- $70,000 is about 8.75 percent of $800,000.
@@jworthy9833 i have $569k divided up between JEPI, JEPQ, and QQQY and my expected remaning dividend income for 2024 is $88k. I'm single with no kids.. I can live easily off that.. I'm reinvesting the dividends so the monthly income will continue to grow with every dividend payment.
The 70 k is taxed?
However;
1. Most people has a skewed view on how much they need each month. They think their current wage is the lowest they need to survive, and then some. But it's really way,way less. And if you start downsize your expenses you both can save up faster, and have a lower goal to reach.
2. You don't start with "high" dividend shares. The dividend isn't really that high. You start with higher growth stocks, whether they give out a dividend or not. That way your money will grow faster, and when it gets close to start cashing out you can switch to dividend stocks.
Have a combination.
Dividends are really free money, so even a few div stocks can give a little bit that you can invest in higher risk investments. That way if it goes bad you've not really lost anything.
An extra $400 or $500 a month (after taxes) to supplement income would be more than enough for me to happy right now.
I like the spreadsheet. Something to consider is you have a set amount of 2% inflation which is vastly understated. Generally people have assumed 3% is the typical inflation number however that would also be inaccurate. In reality, we have hit between 8-15% for the last 5 years and show no signs of slowing down.
You may also want to mention in your video to utilize a Roth Ira so you do not have to pay taxes in earned dividends which would better pump your portfolio value over time.
so if the tax rate is the same, for example 10% (I wish lol but just for examples sake) investing 100$ now in a 401k (tax exempt) and then paying 10% taxes when you retire, or investing 90$ now in a ROTH and paying no taxes when you retire actually returns the EXACT same amount of money, you have to run NPV functions to understand it fully but the reason to invest in both is not because ROTH is better its because you can assume that tax rates will go up with the US leaning more and more left every year for the last 30 years. If that switches then you will have wished that you had put more money into a 401k because withdrawing from roth if the pretend tax rate went down to 5% would mean you paid higher taxes on your income than you should have lol
all im saying is that mathematically its exactly the same amount of money if your tax rate is the same. The reason is if you contribute 90$ to roth it means you would have been willing to contribute ~100$ (like 99 to be exact) to a 401k which after all the compounding amounts to the same exact income level when accounting for the same 10% tax rate. The benefit of both accounts is trying to switch which ones you are withdrawing from based on the tax rate, and also alot of employers match traditional 401k which means that one is usually more worth it.
I am trying to find the name of the video that explained this fully but it was really good because I used to be obsessed with ROTH and just didnt understand the math behind it. I still love them and have that dream of having a massive family roth account which never gets taxed lol, but if its just for retirement purposes its of the same value (if tax rate stays the same)
@@jonathanbauer2988 A Roth IRA you will not have to pay taxes after you retire as long as you wait until 59 1/2. This goes for contributions and earnings. So the Roth Ira would come out ahead and they are not the same. You can research this for yourself
no you just arent doing the math right.@@Zerotragedy
Food for thought, your cost of living will most likely increase over time not strictly by just inflation. Assuming you want to have a family i.e kids, house, etc that will dramatically increase the cost of living as you get older. Now I understand that not as easy to track then an average inflation value over time but something to be aware of.
COL really should be separated into segments and added together. Housing, for instance is static relative to inflation if you have a fixed rate loan and doesn't rise with housing inflation
Having a house dramatically decreases your cost of living in your later years. Once it is paid off you cut a massive expense from your life. It's far harder to retire with an active mortgage or when renting.
Just to add fuel for your fire here. Health insurance outpaces inflation. At least my area, its been 2-4 times inflation for 20+ years.
Gold and silver are the hedge for inflation.
valid point but this is for retirement, so although those costs may increase, do you plan on having those kids living with you when you retire, do you plan on not having a house paid for or nearly paid for by then? probably not the case so although inflation increases cost you should be reducing many costs by retirement, no car payment, no house payment, no high credit card balances, and so on.
Good video but isn't 9% way too much for the dividend growth projection? Since the calculation is considering really long periods of time, 20+ years, arenìt dividend growth stocks unable to hold that high grow rate for that long? Since they are bound to slow down, and I think the core of this calculation is all relative to the compounding effect of the dividend growth, 9% feels way too high. But yeah prove me wrong or try to explain it, maybe I'm missing something!
So basically 9% of 100 = 9
as the compound takes place those 100 will grow to let's say 300 and by then 5% of 300 is more than 9% of 100..
The only thing is does is making the exponential curve a little less steep, but by then you would already have surpassed the Cost of Living ( hopefully )
@@t0bakken1337 yes but the 9% is applied to each dividend payout so that's what makes it exponential, it's not applied to the start value, it's applied to the previous value. so my point is that 9% is way too high because the growth of the dividend is not gonna stay at 9% for 20 years
You're not wrong. Everyone and their dog talks about "high yield trap" (ie buying stocks for high dividends like 8%+ only to see it cut down later), but almost NOONE talks about "high growth dividend trap".
I think you're spot on - extrapolating current high div growth into the far future is also quite risky. Most companies, as they reach a certain size, stop growing so fast. Graham talks about this in his book The Intelligent Investor
I like how you were able to provide an example of a company that pays low dividends but you don't have an example of one that grows at a ridiculous amount and they increased the amount of their dividends. Think about it. How is that company ever going to make any money if one person giving him 12 grand a year is going to cost them 50-100 grand annually. It's not going to happen.
Real estate is something that can provide you that kind of monthly income after paying off the mortgage which would be close to that $300k you would have put in. But with real estate you get tax write offs left and right
If you're putting 100 percent of your dividends back into the investment, you'll never live off of them.
60,000 is the minimum amount required to get working wage dividends. High % ETF that goes slightly up in price as well every year would be multiplicative enough to grow expenentially each year. Let that 60k sit in these funds for 5 years and you will have a lot of money, close to 320,000, accounting for inflation and for market changes over year
Things this lacks:
- When you start to live off the dividend, you will no longer add DRIP or monthly contributions, this will result in cost of living catching up at some point, depending on the market..
Cost of living will most likely not catch up actually, IF you are invested into dividend growth stocks. Dividend growth rates have historically been far above inflation rates.
only if the dividend growth stock continues to growth and you get your money back in 30 years' time.@@Dividendology
@@Dividendology The risk with dividend growth stocks is that they might slow down at any time. e.g. when you start with a 2% yield, it grows nicely for 5 years, and then grinds to a halt, because the company can't grow just as quickly anymore. And of course, no one can predict far into the future with any accuracy. This is seriously worth exploring as a risk. Not every company is a superstar like Visa.
Hence I advocate having 4%-7% safe yielders as part of the portfolio.
@@FxAndrejthis is true and why I mostly invest in ETFs
@FxAndrej not all companies. Looks at LOWs that have been growing dividends for over 40 years with a dividend growth rate still in the double digits
It’s 283k over 23 years of investing without any lifestyle and demographics variables - you’re welcome
The thing everyone needs to actually do things like this is a great start in life: Get a job while living with mom and dad, then invest 80% and enjoy the 20% doing with it as you please with the freedom of not worrying about bills. If you had a single mom like I did that only cared about lining her own pockets then avoid the job altogether.
When my kids are old enough to work, I'll suggest it to them that I'll keep 50% of their paycheque and when they move out they can have all the money they gave to me.
This is what you do:
-Deposit 20K in your broker account
- search for German car manufacturing companies stocks they offer 8% 9% dividen
- use leverage to buy 150K in stocks and receive 12K in dividends yearly
-move to any country that allows you to live with 1000 dollars a month
WHAT! :O
Don't you have to pay interest for leverage?
lmao bro the interest on margin is at a minimum 13% you will lose all your money with this strategy lmao leverage isnt free money
You need 2million invested at 4% dividend payouts a year, that’s 80k a year, if you manage to spend less then that a year then your income and portfolio will consistently grow each year and you’ll be able to have more dividends each year if you reinvest whatever dividends you reinvest.
Because of factors mentioned here, I recommended investing as much of your paycheck as possible instead of squirreling away smaller amounts.
Enjoy pb n j for 40 years
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and water. lol
@@bighou2359 probably, lol. I would say, it's either that or sacrificing really hard for 5 years or so and then a steady approach afterwards. I know people who got involved with FIRE (financial independence retire early) and just really saved a lot over about 5 years, to get into the position to where they wanted to be financially. It definitely helps if you have a partner like a spouse or you can even get a bunch of buddies together to get it done. Couple I know, just decided they were going to only live off one salary. They banked the entire second salary. Both had 401ks at work, with matches. They went down to one car, cutting out payments and insurance. They then had side hustles, like they both were Uber drivers, where they took turns driving in the evenings and they banked 100% of what they made on that. At the same time, they bought and lived in houses they were fixing up to sell, 100% of the profits were banked. Now they had pretty good jobs, so they were saving a lot, between everything, they were banking well over 120K year, not counting the dividends on their investments or the profit selling a couple of houses. After about 5 years they scaled back, no more 2nd jobs or rough houses, because they had 7 figures in the bank.
I'm little older, but I decided to work on it too. I was able to downsize my house and payoff of new place and then bank what I was already paying on a mortgage. Went down to 1 car, by moving closer to my work. Was able to more than double my saving rate, plus cut out a huge chunk of my expenses. Just retired a couple of months ago at 55. Wish they taught FIRE in high school, I'd have been financially independent a couple of decades ago.
It appears to me that you should simply try to earn a market return of say 10% or possibly 12% in your dividend growth example, then switch to a higher starting yield in retirement. Either way, you want a good return no matter the strategy. Therefore whatever strategy employed, you still have to follow the principles of starting early and being consistent with investing regularly. I believe there may be a slight flaw in your analysis because when I tried to replicate your model, if the price growth is higher than the dividend growth, there are some interesting results. Essentially when price growth exceeds dividend growth, it is like buying an increasingly more expensive asset that still has the same cash flows. In your example of using a starting yield of 7.5%, if you drop the price growth to zero, then you would have sufficient dividends to cover your monthly expenses before the 30 years ends. Just saying. Might want to reevaluate your analysis.
The problem with that strategy is the BIG tax implications that the "switch" has. If there were no taxes, then yes, build a growth portfolio in your 20s and 30s, begin switching in your 40s and switch all the way to dividend stocks in your 50s and 60s and probably to bonds in your 70s and 80s. BUT this is in a dream world, in the real world where taxes have to be paid, the best way is the start with a dividend growth portfolio, looking for 1.5-3% dividend yield and at the same time an average anual price increase of 8-10%. The idea is to never sell the stocks, therefore never paying capital gains and only paying taxes on dividends.
unless you lived in a major city. the 4k a month living expense shows you have debt .GET RID OF THE DEBT 1st
Just out of curiosity, is a 9% annual dividend growth rate over 30 years, even a realistic thing to expect? Anytime I see that exponential growth line in a portfolio, I'm always very skeptical of it and that 9% annual growth rate for 30 years seems like something that is not sustainable or feasible
Quit my job to, selling stuff from thrift shops, building guitars and basses to sell, going to make 60k to invest this year so I can get my time back with my partner. No debt, no house but sometime next year I’ll get her dream house built. Work is your best friend so get to it!
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Taxes cant be ignored. It will effect you every step of the way. Also as another comment mentioned need to take into account how not reinveting later effects things. Finally lack of growth will hurt you. A balanced profolio is usually most pl best bet.
Assuming no wife, no kids, no elderly parents, no extra medical expenses. If you ever get a divorce, half of your nested eggs are gone and child supports, real life is more complicated. You need to be very lucky and healthy to be able to retire much early
No, just need to not make stupid decisions
@@aleccozi6458 Meaning don't get married, don't have any kids, don't associate with your elderly parents, don't get sick and accumulate medical expenses...Like those stupid decisions???
@@josephbranham5770 Getting married and having kids are stupid decisions, especially when the Welfare State encourages broken families to keep the family courts and support bureaucrats in business. Young men are better off staying single and focusing on wealth building rather than getting involved with women who know the power of the State to rob men for the benefit of both the State, and the woman, is on their side.
@@aleccozi6458Shh the adults are talking
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For it to grow you have to let it compound and to let it compound you have to reinvest the dividends at which point you are just generating taxable events for no reason. Much better in that case to use growth funds that do not generate dividends to avoid tax drag and then just live off of withdrawls.
Do you have examples of stocks or ETFs that have a 7% growth rate and 9% dividend growth rate? That seems quite high over time.
I don´t think this is a good comparation between high yield vs. high growth dvd. You used 2% price growth rate, 0 dvd growth rate and 7.5 dvd. yield, however, using ARCC as an example: 6.84% growth rate (1year) , 4.65% dvd growth (5years), and 10.09% dvd yield (fwd), there way more examples than arcc, like obcd, main, etc.
Exactly. That's the kind I buy.
I think it would be significant to factor in the mix between dividend income and assets sales.. 😊
Hi, seen several worked examples in the Uk where this ends up happening to keep an income going.
How long do you intend living for and what are you going to be spending your money on when you are bed bound or don’t know what money is?
Best to spend it in the early years of retirement while you can still enjoy it.
And before you ask I don’t think I’ll make retirement but I do want to have money in place in case I do.
Take care M
Have you considered the possibility of cashing out some of those dividends for paying off your monthly expenses, instead of re-investing them? If so, how much are you allowed to cash out per month, in proportion to the size of your monthly dividends?
Hey love the channel! I recreated your spreadsheet when you showed it in a previous video and made the % reinvested variable. I like to use 80% reinvested (assuming you pay 20% taxes on the dividend income and reinvest the rest.) It is interesting to compare to 0% and 100%. Anyway, great vid as usual!
Thanks! And very cool!!
Could you please post a link to your revised spreadsheet please?
@@Dividendology I have a question is it possible to earn weekly dividend stocks company share like $5k a week
So something people really don’t think about or understand is that a blend strategy is almost always the best strategy.
The basis is your core is 50% and your core is usually 2-5 holdings that yield around 3-4% with the growth you note. But to top it off, you blend in 25% for high yields, and 25% for covered options.
For 7 years my div growth has been 6% annually, my share appreciation has been 5% annually, and my income yield (dividends and premiums) is at 24%.
This is a very moderate strategy that has layers of safety and aggressiveness to get you into retirement much earlier and keep you there!
Thanks for sharing, it is so sad in real life that the tax is one thing stopping us from achieving it, and another carvet is that I doubt very much we can find something with a 9% dividend growth rate per year and the share price only growth of 7%, for those great dividend stocks their price growth rate is likely to be 15% plus. and to be diversified, we need to have at least 10 stocks and pays dividend like that. Do you see Pepsi Cococola still having a chance of growing its dividend like before, for the next 30 years? Building wealth through working on a salary job will really take a generation to complete. So that the dividend portfolio is really for the grandchildren instead of us, but again, before we pass anything on, it's going to be taxed a big chunk of it.
I think coca cola and other lookalike companies will be able to grow their dividend. As inflation goes up so does their prices, revenue, profit in absolute numbers.
Correct. Even if you find stock with a good yield, the dividend can be decreased or
just stopped at any time. There are no guarantees.
@lightnesskingpwnsyou Bill gates owns 37 million shares of micro soft and he gets 75 cents dividend per share
Owning a home, which should be done before or around retirement, would also cut that projected COL in half by the terminal date
Why would you want a house? Costs too much. You can travel for less.
@@ZacklFair because your cost of living is next to nothing after that. Even if you dont live in it, real estate is one of the best assets to have. Unlikely you'll be traveling on the move forever
@@ZacklFairyou can rent it out..
And what if you never had a mortgage to begin with - and all the money that would have gone towards interest on a mortgage, you invested instead?
@@totuudentorvi7781 where were you expecting to be living that whole time then
Depends on the roi for the dividend. If the minimum cost of living is $40,000 in today’s dollars and shares pay out like $0.26 per share, you’d need 38,461-ish shares. Assuming you invest in an established stock that would most likely be able to provide consistent dividends, that would prolly be like $100 per share… you’re looking at $3,846,000 for a $40,000 year on year return… then again, this is conjecture and not accounting for the cost of living rising from inflation year on year. You’d probably want even more to be able to reinvest the amount into more dividends to keep up. Also, dividends are not guaranteed. Even if you get preferred stock, the company does not have to pay dividends.
23 years at $1000 a month.
Something I don't understand, since you are looking for a very long time period investment say +20years or more wouldn't it be more interesting to invest in capital than dividend and when you want to retire sell all your capital and buy dividends?
Cost of living is incredibly hard to calculate and forecast.
The more you earn, the more you spend. As a youngster our economy was rubbish and I spent a year or so on welfare. I actually had more spare income than when I started as although I was earning twice as much my standard of living increased.
The more you earn the nicer the car, bigger the house, etc.
I got to earning 100k and my friends on 50k were envious as to how much better their life would be. Except my standard of living wasn't really better than theirs, i just had more expensive stuff.
Plus technology advances at a ridiculous rate so you'll want to upgrade.
So allow more than inflation when forecasting what you'll need.
I'd also be very careful what inflation rate you use. It's good times at the moment but I remember in the 80s my parents mortgage rate was between 25-30%. We had a nice house but lived like paupers and needed handouts from the church to survive.
Things turned and my parents are retired comfortably now but anyone under 30 has absolutely no idea how bad it can get
That’s pretty motivating considering my cost of living is about $2000/month meaning the number will be even lower for me. The problem with this is that the working class does not have an additional $1000/month to invest.
Try to think harder and calculate how much you should invest for $2000 monthly dividend after X years. On my first job I was paid ~$250 for 6 months and still managed to save around 10-15% a month to buy a car after paying rent and the utility bills. Not trying at all is worse than failing!
I'm presuming you're ignoring taxes along the way? In order to reinvest all the dividends you'd have to outlay additional cash to pay the annual long term capital gains each year.
You're assuming a growth rate for this portfolio including dividends, starting at over 10.5%, and by year 23 over 15%, per year. Do you really think that's realistic?
I am confused about one key detail of credit spreads that you touched on: a spread example of selling a PUT @ $50 and buying @ $45. If the strike price ends up being $49, wouldn't the 100 shares be put to you @ $50? How is it that you don't need the capital for 100 shares @ $50? And you mentioned the broker will *automatically* Sell your shares @ $49 once they're put to you...? But you buy the PUT @ $45, so why/how are they automatically sold back @ $49?? That little middle part of the credit spreads where they fall in between your spread and can ultimately be PUT to you has me stuck/confused.
Thanks!!
I agree with your long run model but what would you do if you have another time frame with different sized bags? For example up to 7 years and an yearly investment bag size of 100k dollar. How would you play that? Let's keep the assumption of 5k dollar expenses on a monthly basis. Also add a 3 different tax options: 10%, 20% and 30%
most of everyone cannot afford investing 1000$ so no matter how you try to play the game... you aint gonna win.... you are almost better off buying something material and playing the buy and resell game.... like buying houses and doing some renos and reselling, provided you are in a good area.
What if you could put an initial lump sum of $300,000 into a high dividend stocks of let’s say 8-9% and then roll those dividends into a dividend growth stock?
It’s just risky tbh if you have 300k it’s more then enough to make a solid investment in growth stocks tbh. And then have some “high dividend” like 10 or 20 percent of your portfolio
So what’s the amount?
Without a house payment who needs 4,000$ a month. If I pay off the house I would only need like 1,500$ a month
spot on! I was going to say that too, but only if we manage to pay off any loan without really struggling, so to squeeze a few dollars extra each month, we need to stop spending too. so probably won't even need 1500 a month and retire earlier. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching this video as it creates positives for me. However, we are living in a sad world in which we(the working class) are paying debts from previous generations.
We and future generations will pay debts due to Gov and socialist spending!
@@workertotraderjourney9007and yet our generation has accrued more debt than any past one
I think the dude was just doing a generalized number clearly everybody’s dividends payments are going to be need to be different due to where you live and what life style you still want to pursue..
7.5% is quite a yield. Who's your financial advisor, the Madoffs?
Why would you settle for 6% dividends when you could just buy an S&P ETF and get double that?
Don’t forget taxes and inflation
$4000 a month 🙂in NYC that is just the rent or your mortgage+ property tax+ maintenance fees etc...
All scenarios are always too long, how about only have 10 years or 5? Would it be same?
I mean, it's gonna depend entirely on your costs, you can live on practically nothing with certain lifestyles, an American lifestyle, you have to add medical, and it'll be expensive, but if you own a modest home that's paid off you're looking at not much money. The best you can do dividend wise without losing balance (and thus income) over time is 6% but that's on derivatives, not investing directly in companies, that would be around 2.5%
This guy's monthly cost of living of over 7k is 3x my salary
So you're saying by year 23 you'll have a fund that both grows in price by 7% AND has a dividend yield of 5.39%. That's a bold assumption and the only way your prediction works. I think that's unrealistic
to be fair you need to include inflation. thats an extra 8% you have to earn on top if we go by 2022 inflation numbers. After inflation and taxes you likely need 1 million dollars or more to reasonably sustain a comfortable lifestyle off dividends. If you have a part time job at least you probably only need half that.
You've already lost my friend. Inflation in twenty twenty 12 twenty twenty two was roughly four percent. The current rate of inflation is about three and a half percent. Two percent is the goal of the fed current chair. Those goals can easily change within several years.Putting your entire chart way off base.
That's what they said before each recession
300k could get me 3k in dividends per month. That's 1 percent monthly.
That's what I make at my full time job monthly currently, not including my business. 300k could replace my full time job.
Our goal is to retire in Spain where the cost of living is 60% less than my home state of flori-Duh as of today.
Itll never happen...you are too Duh
@@perrykomick9478please explain to the calls how my math is off than sir?
Why not sell put options on those same stocks instead? You should get more from the premiums than the dividends.
Easy, problem is coming up with monthly $1000 to invest and believing the government’s inflation numbers and not our wallets/pocketbooks😒
6:24 I'm going to assume that the growth rate you're talking about is annual. If that's the case, the 7% share price growth rate may be realistic in good market conditions, but 9% dividend growth is complete nonsense. Whole S&P500 30 years median dividend growth rate is 6.94. Good luck achieving that with your portfolio.
My country doesn't have capital gains tax, how does this affect the calculations?
I have a question about your model tho. It assumes that you continue adding money and compound contribution dividend yields even after the point dividend return surpasses the living cost, but if you're going to living off the contribution will be cut off right? Are we then assuming that the 1000 contribution and the dividend contribution taken from the return yield is going to only after 2xthe monthly cost of living?
Do you peeps in the states not pay a cent of capital gains tax on your dividends?
Surely you have to pay tax at some point on all this growth along the way.
You pay income tax on dividends. Not cap gains.
The problem with this is the cost of living has increased more in to past 20 years then what you would make off these
Thanks for the information, the only problem with this method is that you can’t be sure a div will keep its growth rate over a span of 30-50 years
What's better than spending your dividends and living off of them, Is to reinvest your dividends and continue to work. Compound interest will make you a billionaire
Hm, in that scenario, reinvesting 100% of dividends, why not just invest into a growth etf. And switch to a dividend etf when you actually want to „harvest“ some of the money.
I followed everything except for the difference between the 2 types of shares that have either the higher starting dividend layout per share versus the higher price growth rate and dividend growth rate. How can you tell which stocks are which?
Here the lowest ammout you need is about 250k, this after taxes may provide you the min wage of our country
For my life in a nice house with three kids, 200k to spend a year is just treading water. 48k would be poverty.
You don't need 4 grand a month unless you still have a mortgage payment.
Also a big crash is eventually coming and at that time we can buy a lot more stocks, so the price growth is not always as you considered. At this moment, after so much upside since 2009 lows, I think to consider a price growth for the next 10 years of 0% is reasonable
I'm using 4-5% inflation just to be safe
Great video! Have you considered selling options to boost your income? What are your thoughts on options? Thanks!
Selling options is a great way to generate money.
Your math is correct, but your perspective about the market is so naive. Let's say I want to retire at age 40 and my life expectancy is 85. That means for 45 years, the market should always go up. There should not be ten-year periods like 1930s, 1970s, and 2000s, where market overall did not grow and my dividend shrinks dramatically. But in reality, it is almost certain that this type of thing will happen in my 45-year retirement life, because it happened every 30 years previously. So my real advice to everyone is to have a much larger portfolio if you plan to retire relatively early. I would say 3 million dollars will keep you safe for 30-40 years if you plan to withdraw around $50-100k each year.
Bro if market crashes its good for dividend stocks, you can buy more shares at lower prices
I don’t understand how your sheet can account for the date at which you can begin to “live off of dividends” but still reinvest? At the point where you begin to live off of dividends, aren’t you no longer reinvesting because you’re living off the money?
Yeah well this last happy scenario means that after 23 years of 9% divident growth rate, you get a 25% divident on a stock which has grown 7% in value for the same 23 years and is almost 5x as expensive. Has there ever been such a case in reality?
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it appears to me that you have a couple flaws in the underlying assumptions of your model. First, you assume a cost of living of $4000, but then add in an investment of $1000/month, making your net cost of living actually $5000/month. Second, when you graph the income from reinvested dividends, it only shows where dividends exceed costs, but if you take that as the point at which you can live off dividends, you have to redo the curve from that point on without either further investment or dividend reinvestment. Those could make a huge difference in the answer to the question of when you can actually retire.
Nope! It’s right. If the dividend growth rate exceeds the rate of inflation, you’ll be able to live off dividends even without reinvesting dividends.
Yes, but as soon as you start living off your investments in year 23, you immediately fall behind as you have stopped reinvesting. Every year onwards you have less and less money.
Not necessarily. If your dividend growth rate is above the rate of inflation, you can still live off dividends forever.
JUMPSCARE at 3:13
I honestly don’t get the urge to retire. I love my job, one day i will be forced out due to my age, and that will make me sad.
I'm not sure this shows what actually happens when you start "living" off of the money... that line isn't going to continue to go up... right?
If the dividend growth rate is above the rate of inflation then yes, it will continue to go up. Just not as fast as if you reinvested dividends.
@@Dividendology right so that would be helpful to have a realistic "this is what happens at year 1." "this is what happens if you wait 5 more years" etc... we all do that with our 401ks 🙂
With a couple of property investments and renting it out, you can easily reach way more with far less.
Most people absolutely do not have the ability to invest $1000 a month in their twenties. Maybe half will have the ability to do that in their thirties.
I see why nobody is having kids. Especially with the cost of sending them to college. That demographic and economic collapse is gonna make for companies that stop paying dividends….
I got bored. What was the final answer? 🤔😒
if you reinvest the dividends then how would you live all those years for your monthly expenses without tapping into your initial investment.
So your system is to beat the market over 20+ years, then dividends work great
I'm approaching 65, and I am saving as much as I can. My goal is to live off of my dividends as much as possible. It is only possible if I save AS MUCH AS I CAN!! It will be tough, but it will only be possible if I give it my best shot. It's tough in todays economy, and placing more in bonds for now will be safe, but still need to get stable stocks with good dividends. For example, KO, O, etc. If I add SS income, I should be able to reach my goal!!
Hi, might want to continue working, here in Uk it used to be 65, now it’s 67 and they want to raise it higher.
Interestingly they’re is no forced retirement age, my hero is 72 and still goes to work!
How he manages to keep going is the question.
Take care and keep well M
I am totally missing where to get this sheet from.
Tickerdata.com ! :)
4k a yr expenses and 1k a month to invest, what planet are you on? Most things I read are a very high percentage of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. When you're young, you have very little left to invest. The time you start having 1k a month to invest is when you're normally in your late 40s and 50s
I’m 26 and have 2k invest it’s not that hard people make more excuses then fixing the situation
This is the video I needed. Thanks!