Why do Good Marines get out of the Marine Corps
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Disclaimer: my personal opinions is not that of the DOD or The United States Marine Corps.
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For sure dude. Marine Corps needs to refocus their priorities. More focus on maturity and independence and less on appearance to the public and higher ups. The dog and pony shows make it so clear that NCOs don't operate with the level of support and self-sufficiency they need.
Well if everyone can be marines everyone would be doing it.
I also disagree on collective punishment as well.
I think for the most part they look at it like , if one marine ends up fckin up in a battlefield, he can end up killing his entire platoon.
They want to instill a sense that everyone needs to be looking out for each other .
@@warrenthompson7803 shut up with the "if everyone could do it" shit. You know for a fact that shit isn't hard, some people are just weak. MOST people in the world could go through marine corps boot camp and marine corps life without issue, it's just mind of matter. Get that chip off your stupid ass shoulder.
Being in the Air Force and seeing how Marines get treated and their small ass budget......man oh man.....it's not for everyone.
See but one thing Ive read is that this type of stuff is all on purpose, to keep us angry and frustrated, so when we are on the battlefield, we take that anger out and we are more fierce towards the enemy
Yeah , they are the tough mentality but the army is if not more lethal an more conventional than the marines
@@jakedavid5289 😂😂 LoL at just as lethal as marines
Alexander LMAOOO yeah don’t argue with Marine fanboys
@@michaelpocrnich8649 that doesn't track when you expand the same shit to the air wing as well. You don't want excitable mechs throwing sloppy gear in your helicopter. Ok, you Shouldn't want that.
My time is far gone (2/5, 1955 - 1958) but the problems that plagued good Marines now are the same as way back then, great video brother.
I was in 91-97 same same.
Thank you for your service!
Same issues 79' to 92' semper fi
you are such a bullshitter, if you served in 55-58 how were you “in the formation when ncis and mp’s came” about the human smuggling deal recently lol
you are such a bullshitter, if you served in 55-58 how were you “in the formation when ncis and mp’s came” about the human smuggling deal recently lol
There's BS in every job.
I made Sgt. In just over 3 years. In the infantry. If you're not sure if that's good or not, you better ask somebody!
Stellar record. Expert rifleman. 1st class PFT. Every. Time.
The truth is, to train half the year, deploy every other, and the daily normal BS, 35000 is just not enough cash. Good Marines can excel at just about anything.
I'm all for service, but you gotta show me some love at some point! It's a combination of factors.
The Corps is awesome, I would suggest everyone give it at least one enlistment, regardless of the pay.
But, to retain top talent, you gotta pay. Most really talented people won't take sub-market wages for 20-30 years, especially with the BS. You might keep 1 or 2 but most are gonna pop smoke, hit the exfil and make a stack in the civilian world.
Congratulations on making Sgt that fast in the infantry.
I was an 0311. For me it was never about money. the fact I spent 3 years and 9 months as a LCPL, then pick up CPL a month after I’m in the IRR, is partly why I got out. The cutting score was a 1721 to pick up the month I left active service. I was ok with the miserable amount of money I made, because I wanted to be a warrior, and a warrior I was.
The delay in promotion was a result of terrible leadership. This was in 2012 by the way.
They promoted who they liked, not who was capable. They went on a witch hunt for hazing which led to the death of one of my friends. I could go on more but I’ll leave it at that.
@@Lifechanging99999 a death of your friend ??
Omar Rubio literally. The command exacerbated the PTSD issues my friend carried, along with the anxiety of being kicked out the Corps. My friend while not choosing the best way to cope with this stress, drank himself to the point of black out and killed himself by drowning .
The command had undue influence on administrative separations of several marines. They were on a witch hunt for hazing and got a bunch of Marines in the process. The worst thing they did out of all the things there, was tell the same SNCOs who had written excellent character statements for my friend and others to change them. The new statements reflected horrible Marines. My friend’s plt sgt followed those instructions and dishonestly wrote a fictitious character statement of my friend.
The one guy who didn’t get roped in all of this, got promoted to Sgt at 3 years by this command, was the one directing my friend and other Marines to conduct the “hazing”. The command was ok with that fool doing it but they needed scapegoats for the allegations so they chose other Marines. One other friend had to go with a lawyer to DC to get this travesty reversed. He got his honorable discharge. Others who hired lawyers stayed in the Corps as well. The more poor and unfortunate Marines got booted.
@@Lifechanging99999 Jfc. I hope you're doing good though. This shit sounds batshit insane.
@@omarrubio1231 yep sounds about marine corps enough
I was very gung ho. Did everything to the best of my abilities and was rewarded for it. Clean record, very high marksmanship scores, etc. A hard ass CPL who was respected by my peers and planned to become a DI. My last year I fell head over in love but not long after was sent to Okinawa and became so involved with her that I decided to get out. I have regretted it ever since. It didn't work out with her and I feel that I kind of threw it all away over it. happens a lot. I'm still extremely proud of what I accomplished and my experience with the Marines has fueled an extraordinary life in the civilian world as a business owner. But I miss it every day. I appreciate your video and wish you the best of luck!!! Hoo rah!!!!
Why couldn't you go back in?
@@jacksonsilversteen7137 could have. My best friend from the marine Corp moved out to Oregon and we tore up the outdoors for a couple years. He chose to rejoin and is now a retired MSgt. Myself, I have a few more passions that I pursued. I grew up in a logging family in Oregon and continued as a timber faller ( a real timber faller not "tree service") making upwards of $500 a day. I also wanted to pursue playing heavy metal music in a real band and, although never signed, fukn killed it. Neither pursuits would have panned out without the discipline from the corps. Money talks. Getting killed in battle walks
@@scottcarter6915 I see.Well Semper Fi to yall both. I leave to go to PI in 2 months. Dont know how long I plan to stay, but Ill make the most of my time in it. Hoorah!
@@jacksonsilversteen7137 give it all you got and work as a team and you can't go wrong silversteen! Don't sweat the mass punishment thing. I rolled plenty of my Marines in the dirt and they were all fine haha! Good luck!! I'm glad we still have a few young guys out there who want to be superior MEN!!!!!! ❤️👍💪💪
Was her name Ruby who works at pink lady ?
I’m a petty officer in the navy and I will tell you from experience this happens in the navy as well. I always treat my junior Sailors with the leadership and respect they deserve no matter what their rank is.
Facts where are you stationed
I'm an AF vet. We had more DUI prevention programs than you can shake a stick at and still had DUIs. I got tired of getting called on the carpet for some shit bag's actions. Let me shoot the bastard. Treating grown men like children is what drove me out.
It was the same for me, 1971-1977, Westpac sailor, HT2
mass punishment in the military as a whole is a disease. in the navy, I cant tell how many shipmates i see grow so discouraged just to go to muster because theres always gonna be the one not shaved, not in proper uniform or some dumb shit and every other sailor will be 100% squared away and everyone gets punished. seniors just call it “not looking out for your shipmate”. bs for real man.
You'd expect for those individuals to be grown men and to get little shit like that straight away. Then they act like kids and screw it up for everyone.
I do plan on enlisting soon, this does give me more insight and I can’t be more greatful for that. Thank you sir.
Why marine corps?? Ur a fool
Congrats you're gonna hate your're life for a few years 😂
Imma keep it real with you mean, don’t join the marines. All that “challenge and pride” shit will fade so quickly once you see and experience all the flaws within the branch. Its not worth it. Do more research and see which other branch will actually benefit you the most, or better yet don’t even enlist and just work a trade or go to college. This contract is no fucking joke, don’t let the recruiters brain wash you, good luck man
Jake Rad becuse the marine corps is the best branch in the military I’m planning on going to the marines soon
@@dylanvogel4503 Not its not lol. Worst branch by far 😂
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I got out of the Navy as a Second Class Petty Officer (E-5) about 2 weeks after this video and I can say the bullshit and toxic leaders are my main reason. I had leadership that made me feel like I didnt belong when I was a junior sailor. I made sure when I became a supervisor, that my junior sailors could feel comfortable coming to me with any work or personal issues.
I served 8 years and experienced alot of what you've mentioned. Things changed as I promoted and learned to create a more positive environment for my Marines. Even though I planned on making it a career I still applied for other jobs. I landed a government job with much better pay so I got out.
They gave me Motrin, water and told me to suck it up. Now, I struggle to walk and work. Sour taste broski.
If you dont mind me asking what happened?
@@edwinramirez6262 probably was infantry and all those rucks destroyed his knees
Sounds like you had bullshit leaders, who didnt givve a fuck about their marines.
Rank and leadership are not the same things.
I honestly didn't mind the stupid games that came down from the company level, it is what it is, but I did have a squad leader that made my life miserable. He appeared to be highly motivated and squared away, and to some degree he was. When I first hit the fleet, he was super strict on me and a few other new dudes. Being new to the culture I just assumed that he was trying to help us improve by holding us to a higher standard. After a while, I began to realize that he treated some guys in our platoon better than the others. It was so bad it started to divided our platoon because these guys realized that they could get away with more things. Since he wasn't in charge of the entire platoon, most of his bullshit was dumped onto me and a few other guys in the squad. When I became more familiar with the company and was exposed to amazing leaders I realized that my squad leader wasn't even that great, higher just liked him. Towards the end of my first deployment, I got to know my seniors and they hated the guy because he did the same thing to them. He was a bully who used his power to abuse people he didn't like and benefit the people he did like. He was my SL for 2 years before he left the company to become a DI. He wasn't the reason why I got out, but he was the reason why I no longer enjoyed being in.
I served 4 years active duty. Served overseas for 3/4 years, I was just ready for a long break lol. Plus I met the woman of my dreams
I was a corpsman and went greenside, I got out because my body couldn’t do it anymore. At 25, I had back pain, leg pain, knees were shot, shoulder pain, etc. at 25 you should be in your prime, yet I had the body of a 70 year old so I realized that it was time for me to live the civilian world
I did 8 years. I UNDERSTAND TOXIC LEADERSHIP 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I got tired of the negativity. Corporals and Sergeants are powerless now. Small unit leadership has been eliminated.
Damn man. Are you serious small unit leadership was what i liked about the Marines Corp. Now its seems like the Marines operating like the Army. When it comes to E4-E5. That shit is crazy
@@sprayedbyg5517 I got out in 2015. You had corporals and sgts with 3-4 combat tours getting DISRESPECTED everyday. We CONSTANTLY had to battle for power. If a troop didn't listen, he could run to a staff nco or officer and hide. IT WAS FUCKING HORRIBLE
@@sgtstetsonbennettiv2075 that shit wild. I was in from 08-12. With 2/6 And I never dared disrespect or try my ncos especially the ones that had 3or4 pumps under them. Usually they were like if you got a problem. Take that blouse off go to the treeline or get fuckin promoted 😂
@@sprayedbyg5517 Yeah bro those days are over. I saw NCOs get charged with hazing JUST FOR COREECTING TROOPS 🤣🤣🤣 You could get a non rec for blasting a troop. Four months later, that same troop would be leaving the wire WITHOUT AMMO. Staff NCOs and officers were stepping on toes EVERY DAY
@@sgtstetsonbennettiv2075 LOL wow. What our drill instructors use to say. I don't blame you. I blame the mothers of America 🎤
What i saw in the Corps during my tenure (93-97) that caused myself and numerous other good Marines to not re-enlist was the fact that the Corps didnt provide any educational opportunities (college) outside of the worthless MCI's we had to complete. I went in when i was 17 and I enjoyed my 4 years as an 03 (B 1/4), there was toxic leadership then, but there is toxic leadership in every career or job, but I really believe that if junior Marines are provided with collegiate opportunities more would re-enlist or cross over becoming a mustang.
Back in those days yes I agree educational opportunities were pretty much non available if not even frowned upon. I believe the Corps these days are pushing education alot more. Back in the early 90s the Corps had a stigma of being perhaps the lowest branch among the services. They were thought of as only a bunch of low I.Q. hillbillies toting rifles. They were always thought of as just being an Infantry service.
Good news. Now-a-days if you're going to college as a junior marine it looks good on your brag sheet for JEPES promotion points
When I was in and I had wished I had just sucked it up a little more but there’s only so many times you get messed with from a whole mass punishment standpoint that you could withstand. I can say I had a mixture of good and toxic leadership. The more toxic when I first got to the fleet and when I left the fleet and joined firstcivdiv. Couch battalion lol 😂 but I also had my options open to going in the other branches which I did. I joined the regular army for another 2 terms or 8 more years and had to call it quits due to disability retirement
I start terminal leave in 2 weeks and will be receiving an honorable discharge. This video was funny as hell and definitely one of the most accurate I've ever seen. Semper.
You out yet?
@@samonellauniversity1182 Yes, I am.
@@Dannymessatsu Is the grass green on the other side?....👉👈
@@samonellauniversity1182 Bro, I love being a veteran and reclaiming my life back.
@@Dannymessatsu mannnn. Thinking about joining. I'm patriotic. I'm in college though. Maybe itd be smarter to not.
It’s hard to believe it even but on this date, September 13, I shipped out to boot camp 19 years ago now! 😳. Time does fly. And yeah, I went to the Island 2 days after 9/11...I enlisted delayed entry thinking I was gonna go in, get some hardcore training, and that’s about it. 😂. Then 9/11 happened and I was like...ok, let’s get some...🤷🏻♂️. I was so naive back then, which probably was a good thing honestly.
Best times in my life being in the infantry back in the early to mid 2000’s...and some of the worst. That’s for sure.
Great channel bro! Just subbed! 👍👍
I’m joining the Marines in about 4-5 months. Gunna do my 4 years, get out then continue my businesses
same bro
im 20 years old
Same I'ma join after this covid thing and for 4 years then go work with my dad.
Word of advice. Build your credit, stack cash and stay out of debt and you'll do fine
Good luck follow Joe Biden 😅
To be completely honest, the military is a home for the mediocre. Not everyone is mediocre, there are some incredible people serving. But it welcomes institutional compliance, and those who think outside the framework become disenchanted. Then there's the moving, you never get to settle down. It's a real experience for the young,single types. But for most it just doesn't hold it's appeal.
Hey man I know this comment is a year old but I agree with what you’re saying. I think the military is great career if you just wanna be told what to do with your life every waking second. I don’t despair my time remaining, but no matter how you paint the cage it will always be a cage. I’m currently a loadmaster in the marines and while I do get paid decently for traveling a lot, I know that once my time is up I’m gonna use the money I saved up to begin my own life on my terms. I hope you’re doing great brother
@@asapg747 There comes a point where the "goodbyes" get old.
Constantly saying goodbye to family, friends, and even your fellow marines as they get orders somewhere else. Then you look at that old Marine who says "Bah.... I never see family the Marines is my family" and you realize he has been divorced 3 times, his parents died while he was deployed, he has an ego and anger problems and he is going to die lonely........ Yeah... not for me. Saying goodbye constantly after a certain age is just bad for your mental well being. As pack animals we just aren't programed that way.
Have your fun, see some stuff, but after that 4 years you need to have a serious conversation with yourself on what you see your future self doing. Especially if your in the Marines. Its just a toxic environment for a healthy family life.
Most civilians won't wake up at 6am and run 5 miles.
This explains why so many marines are joining my guard unit....
The National Guard's not perfect either. But for the most part we hold our own to an account.
The worst thing that's ever happened to me, was a staff sergeant making up SHARP allegations against certain soldiers. He got his in the end.
It’s true, management is the number one reason people quit their job. Good employers make it hard for you to want to leave
Sgt spitting facts 👏👏
I've been a Marine since 1985 and was pissed to see the recent New York Times article on the Marine Corps being racist. Would love for you to do a video on that. Semper Fi!
I made many black friends that I would give my life for. Sure racism exists everywhere and every aspect of life. when I served it was there but easily forgotten about when the shit hits the fan. I would fight with a wharf rat if he was effective.
Thank you for your service semper fidelis and tell him why so much negatively at times it's bad in all branches what you might have experienced some have not
@King George V thank you for that comment semper fidelis you are correct hear that socialist
@Alexander are you kidding ofcourse I know the meaning of socialist a formed of communism is definitely not a buzz word has a family member from all military branches and law enforcement sorry for my conservative opinion
Although my experience stems from observation and understanding/compassion towards the people I served with, I have my own take as a corpsman serving with the marines for three years. I enlisted in the navy 4 years ago at 18, I went off to Okinawa as soon I finished my training. There is a distinct difference in my culture vs the Marine corps. The main plague spreading in the marine corps is fake confidence and egotism. From the youngest to the oldest marine; I see anger, aggression, no form of empathy towards other people in general and just general carelessness. I have come to a conclusion that this is marine culture; changing the culture will mean changing the marine corps. There are some things that cannot change and I truly believe that the marine corps can change their vision of todays warrior/marine. But it will take good young cats staying in to weed out the the marines who feel they deserve extra respect and justify their action purely on the facts that they have experiences that you didn’t get a chance to even experience. This is it, the people who glorify these “subject matter experts” eventually stay and form their own opinions of themselves in their command. And thus, the cycle of toxicity continues. In contrast, I’ve met some of the greatest men while serving my marines. These marines are humble, have intellectual humility, they are not aggressive, but they are precise and they practice true understanding towards their Marines. These are roughly 5-10% of the good marines who actually stay in to do good, they are the reason I would like to someday wear that officer uniform. The 85%-90% of good marines who do leave; go because no one believed in their ability, I terrible loss for an organization that will probably have a major structure change in the coming century. In this fact will happen, with changing culture and technology advancing. The old marine, will be replaced by the scholar-athlete warrior (probably Air Force if the marine corps doesn’t do it). We must emphasize character and self-reflection for now, to change for the better. Or else, the beloved legacy of each marine who has sacrificed their lives in the past will go to shit along with the organization. Now let me tell you one thing, does the grand old man of the marine corps sound familiar to you? This man did so much for the structure and culture of the marine corps. We might see someone like this again in the near future if it does happen that the marine corps decides to change with the times.
As someone who is enlisted and considering switching active I appreciate this insight. You’re helping me understand what to expect and set my intentions on and that is to be humble and work hard for myself and my brothers I will make. God bless brotha
Julio Woody definitely, it’s always for the person next on each side of your shoulder. That will push you in any training that you do. Good luck
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Awesome with your commentary AWESOME BUT TO SAY THIS IS WHY THE MARINES ARE MARINES JUST NOT FOR EVERYBODY
As a veteran, I enjoy your content. As far as this topic, I separated because I couldn't see a PATH forward. It was either take control of the situation at 8 years and minimize the damage or be FORCED out at 13. I made the right choice.
You described the major issue of WHY good Marines aren’t retained.
Toxic leadership...and this sticks in my mind to be a part of my decision to leave. I was enlisted from 1986 to 1992; I served during Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Fortunately, I had some good leaders...yet they were PCSed or retired before I could pick their brains.
When my mother died on Valentine’s Day 1992, my decision was final and I finished my term. I’m not going to look back at the enlistment as bad... I served HONORABLY! I have a master’s degree to show for it. 😊
I enlisted in the marines 40 years ago. I see that it still alot of BS. You are exactly right myself and mostly all the marines that was in my platoon on camp lejeune were really good marines but it was the games , hurry up in wait and bs everyday that cause me to do 4years we had good training and travel around the world but I didn't want to play games any longer. I would always thank the marines, I'm now retired federal law enforcement. For those that are joining the marines in the future be prepared mentally and physically they will test you to the limits!! That's my take.
Sgt. Patterson... straight up as always !... stay strong...stay GUNG-HO.... so many are going to be drawn to you, so maintain your pace & keep delivering the word. I was one of those with the " don't wave the flag at me, cuz I did my time, and was smart enough to get out" attitude. But lo & behold, there I was , after 2 years in the "REAL WORLD" of civilian/ corporate America...with my 2 week notice in my slimy hands. ( had already talked to the recruiter & re-up papers were waiting).... lack of leadership is twice as bad than in the service. But as fate would have it, my transfer to a different title, which DOUBLED my pay , came in that day ! Put up with all the sorry assed "management" and stuck it out. But I was ready to go back. Good luck on The Rock.... do they still confine to barracks during Hiroshima Week ? SEMPER FI
Patti Pelayo here in Japan? I’m not sure I just got here last week
I definitely agree with the toxic leadership bit, I’ve seen too many good marines get out because of leadership. That’s one of the reasons why I’m probably just gonna get out, I’m not for this whole marines are robots crap. I treat everyone like the human beings they are and that’s that.
Dude, I loved all 9 years I spent in the Corps. Wanted to try contacting and I did. This year, I tried to go back in and they weren't taking prior service, so I went Army. Its only been 3 months, but its not bad. There are many of former Marines here as well. It's a change, but there is plenty of opportunity to be had.
I agree 100 % that's why I got out on my 1st enlistment. I was Gung ho going into the Marine Corps. I went in 1987. At least I served Honorably and went on to because a police officer and retired after 20 years of police service. I do miss the Marines but like you said that toxic leadership and mass punishment.
Semper fi brother!
I got out cause of :
-bad leadership
-stupid people
-I was an nco and I supervised butt hurt soft high school little jitts who would ignore me when I fail them in room inspection or get mad when I correct them or threaten to request mass on me lol 🤦🏽♂️
- I saw a lot of false promotions and I worked /Grinded HARD AF to be an nco and was outstandingly good on my job and had received awards for it. Instead then I saw people being promoted after they would catch a DUI/underage drinking or stealing but if I sneezed, I probably would’ve been NJP’d . I also saw some people who were liars/ cheaters/fakes and immature stupid idiots and they got promoted over me just cause I wasn’t a 300 PT God like them and they weren’t even good at their job and not even a great person too . My staff NCO’ gave couple marines answers and set up a meritiourous board for them to win according as planned and even helped them get promoted. While I had the odds against me and I had no one babying me either.But it turns out, the marine wasn’t good at his job and got sent away.
The marine corps is false, full of bs and you gotta suck the chain of commands d*** to make it and it’s corrupt.
I went in joining for the right reasons and to serve and to experience a combat deployment but I spent time training for something that never happened and went through a lot of room inspections and sitting around waiting and doing other people’s job. Luckily I did some college while I was in and took advantage of it. I think it’s funny signing that stupid page 11 saying to never talk trash about the marine corps, that’s how bad the marine corps gotten and it’s funny to desperately see them to protect their image when it’s just all gone to the drain, all cause of bad stupid people in the branch that mess it up .
But the marine corps use to be good back in early 2000s... I got out bitter honestly . Marine corps is just a good stepping stone and a way to grow up and a quick stop to something you really waana do something in the future. Military is only good for that reason.
But, now I’m here pursuing to be a firefighter paramedic and I finished Emt school so I have a better path now and I’m excited as hell for fire academy. And I’m glad to be out of slavery!
But please don’t catch an njp or whatever it is because I don’t want your command to be butthurt that you’re spitting facts in this video
Best ways to survive the Marine Corps is to save money and never forget the reason you joined Conduct yourself everyday like a Marine.
Good ole 7th ESB 1st Platoon lmao. I’m glad to see you doing well bro. It’s Terry btw. I’m glad you dropped this shit for the newer generation joining. This shit ain’t gonna always be sweet and you’re gonna run into some realllllllyyyyy just shitty people that just so happen to be Marines. Stay motivated and do what’s best for you.
Its the same issue in all the branches. Leadership is what makes or breaks Morale in a Unit. But shout out to all the Marines especially the good ones.
there is BS in every job.
Facts bro
exactly
Even at my teen job at Burger King there was BS
@@spiscold50 Burger King be the first place I'd expect to see bs in
Difference is that you can quit your job and be fine. So that’s a huge difference.
I am Sgt Campbell and am currently stationed in Okinawa Japan. And you hit it right on. There are so many good marines that get out for the reasons you spoke!
But it’s like this is every job you have your bad apples and good apples like right now I work at the hospital and I can’t transfer because of politics and you j ow how hard it is to get a interview right now ?. So instead you learn how to work above these people
I’m in the u.s. army and this is pretty much the same reasons good soldiers get out as well.
I served in 1/11 HQ Battery (2531/0861) back in '95-'99 and had a 1st Sgt that decided to open an investigation on me a week before I EAS'd from an Op 2 years prior with the Army developing the AFATDS system. He was yanking my orders to keep me in Pulgas for another 4 years. Luckily my buddy was the Personnel Chief and called me to let me know. At that time I came in and did my final checkout after cancelling my reenlistment package. When I spoke with the Battery CO at the end, I told him that I knew what he and the 1st Sgt were doing and for that reason alone I wouldn't be reenlisting. He was definitely surprised that I knew and apologized and asked if there was anything that he could do to change my mind. I told him that I gave everything that I had to the Corps, but for them to screw me over like that that I would be getting out instead.
Your real man. Probably one the straightfoward marines youtuber.
Everything that you said is EXACTLY why I got out and that was in 2001! Nothing has changed.
I did my four years and got out cause they didn’t give a fuck about what I wanted to do. I wanted to do msg but said I had to extend a year and a half just to hear back about a school date lol. I was like nah fam l ain’t about that life
I'm counting down the days until I get out of the service. Dealt with the most toxic leadership when I was deployed. When I was deployed I thought to myself, is this the culture of the military? if this is it than I want no part of it.. felt like I was more worried about my leadership trying to sabotage my career than the actual enemy. There is no way anybody can convince me to reinlist.
I think back and remember how staff NCOs were still in their dam 20s, still kids themselves. And many of them had rank but had no leadership skills.
I had some issues with the USMC when I first got out. But, the big picture is that I had other plans for my life. Now I am thinking about coming back to the USMC as an officer. A part of me doesn't want to come back because of the betrayal experienced so many years ago. But, I know that I joined the USMC originally because I wanted that inner pride and I got it.
When I was there, all I saw was BS. However a couple decades later, I wish I stayed in and one of my only regrets not doing so. Thanks for the video and you are right, they should motivate people to re-enlist.
I was a 6212 Av8b engine mechanic, I served 1997 - 2003. I got out for a few reasons. 1, under appreciated in my squadron for the things I did, watching a S1 clerk get a NAM for Leave Chits while other marines saved lives by ensuring the aircraft was safe for flight got nothing makes you reconsider your life choice.
One thing people don’t talk about enough from all the branches is the game of chance for your duty station and chain of command. It can be a total crapshoot. You can have the same MOS at one command or another and have a different experience.
Granted I swerved in the Navy, but almost every person in my chain of command during time in was about to retire or transfer and had short timers syndrome (to be fair they were all getting high paying jobs when they got out hence the rotation). Meanwhile, a couple more divisions in my department had many mustang officers, thus a lot of people I served with recently retired as officers.
I was a Tier 1 Marine and ready to reenlist, but my leadership was so keen to screw me over, that I just had it and pulled back package and decided to get out about 6 months my enlistment was over. I got promoted meritoriously, got crap tone of awards, won Marine of The Year in my unit even at one point (got a NAM before getting promoted). I loved and still love the Marine Corps, but my leadership just didn't like my forward thinking and adapting to new technology. 300 PFT, 300 CFT, Sharpshooter Rifle Score, Swim Qual 1, Great Knowledge scores. All these crap doesn't matter if you don't suck up to the Leadership that has no clue what the heck is happening in the industry of field of work in the civilian world. And funny thing, they just adapted the crap I was proposing 6-12 months after I got out. Waste of time and I'm glad I did get out when I did, but I miss my brothers and sisters every f'ing day.
Because the Marine Corps was such an utter disappointment after Marine Corps boot camp.
I did four years in the Marines, but I would have gladly gotten out after two if they would have let me.
Still serving about to do 2 more years now for job security mainly but also to help new younger marines develop good leadership traits and to teach new marines getting to the fleet and how to help stop the BS and toxic leadership where it is possible to stop.
Good video. I did 8 + years in the Corps and loved it...most times. 93 to 01. Eas ended 8/24/2001. First 4 I was part of 7th mtbn and did 2 west pac with lucky 13 th Meu, that included UN withdrawal in Somalia. Saw many things in many places. To this day I still hold these deployments and the people I met and served with in high regards. Second term wasn't as adventurous. 4 years in 3rd maw in HMLA .....go Vipers....as I got a little older I made it to alot of Yuma and a deployment to Futenma Airbase. 1 thing I learned was keep your nose clean and do your job. Was I an angel..no..not looking to burn everybody helped. Not to say it didn't happen but sometimes giving Marines multiple chances when they were not try to do right caused issues. If you WANT to be among the best, that same effort have to given. Once again great video.
SGT Patterson is definitely being real. I'm in the Army and those are the same things that happen in this branch. One of the biggest things I've seen personally is toxic leadership will see a soldier who is squared away and putting in work. Then give out awards and 3 or 4 days to soldiers that don't deserve it or weren't working as hard as that soldier. I still recommend the military to anyone because it'll open up doors for you, it's definitely not all sunshine though
Seen it a million times
love your vids bro, makes me laugh w a sense of reality
Get ya juice cup too with the coffee cup .. on the breakfast tray
Never worked anywhere without BS that I did not agree with. Guess I was lucky......I outlasted all of the perpetrators. 20 yrs USMC ( finished in the reserves), 30 yrs metro police, farmer, factory worker, home handyman. Retired and happy. NEVER GIVE UP ON YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!
My recruiter straight up told me not to trust the leadership just because they have the rank
True words
If i pass my ist tmw is ship the 21st🤟🏻 thanks for all the advice and shit ive been watching for a few months man
I've been Active Duty in the Marine Corps for almost 7 years now
I'm still a Corporal and I have never been in trouble, never failed a PFT or a CFT, always qualified with my Rifle.
And my dedication was always known, but it was always sn excuse to fuck me over.
6:55 to 7:15 I can relate
There's BS in every job. Once they get out, they realize that. The Corps is not designed to for everyone to reenlist. I agree with your thoughts on mass punishment, though it is a useful team building tool in boot camp. Change what you can in your unit. That's all you can do.
The difference is, if there is BS in your civilian job, you can quit and get another job. In the military, you are locked into a contract. The other thing is, if you tell your civilian boss to kiss your rear, the worst that can happen is that you could be fired. In the military, you could go to prison, or get a dishonorable discharge that can screw up the whole rest of your life.
If your not a drill instructor don’t act like one. I hated that in the fleet just because you out rank me doesn’t mean you can talk to me like a recruit
The ‘hurry up and wait’ is a deeply ingrained military trait common to most of the services I think.
The mass punishment seems to be unique to the Marines. Yeah we faced mass punishment in Army boot camp back in ‘85, but not after we went on to our permanent duty stations. If, we screwed up, we faced the consequences for our own actions.
Anyway, appreciated hearing your perspective as a Marine.
I’m so happy that this issue isn’t just a recent thing, knowing that the BS has been spewing around since the old days.
USMC hates its grunts and POGs are the new corps
Toxic leadership is in every branch, but I feel like it would be a lot harder in the Marine Corps to run away from a bad assignment and find a better one.
I'm SO happy. With seven months left, I learned that my peers are cheating and lairs. My NCO doesn't care about anyone, and they don't teach anything; they are just lazy, plus they have their favorite. There is no integrity, just cheating. At the end of my first contract, I will have a college degree. I do the right decision daily, but I have nothing; ignore the new guys in my shop. I hate my unit and my base. I tell anyone who wants to join USMC, but I tell them no, please listen to me.
21 plan on doing 4 years and leaving
When the best personnel get out because of leadership issues, then it leaves the worst to become future leaders.
To add to the problem, you can probably make double on the outside if you have skills.
I'd think that in a situation like this, there would be opportunity for advancement due to lack of competition.
They can't get senior members out of thin air.
Thank you making this. I'm still joining the Marines Corp when I grow up because I truly think the pros outweigh the cons.
LOL
Semper fidelis
@Stxr KillerX lmaooo get ready to hate your life for the next couple years. Better use that free college 😂
@Stxr KillerX ignore all the dudes who hype it up or the videos lol. Your job and unit play a huge factor. The military (combat mos/specialty) is not what it is on tv. Lots of waiting around, shitty leadership getting treated like a kid, doing lots of cleaning up and details. Especially in the marines...which is why so many get out after one contract. If i were you I would go airforce or find a job in any branch that will make a good transfer out to the civilian world. Any dude saying INFANTRY is the way to go is an idiot and usually ends up getting drunk/hating they life cuz they wife or gf cheats on them. Oh boy its better if you join and see the shit show yourself
@Stxr KillerX Lol but you will be the one laughing cuz you will get better housing,pay on deployment and way better food lol. Plus airforce has pjs,jtac and other spec ops amd those guys also do dangerous shit. Plus airforce has a lot more chicks to go around lol. No one will think you are weak except dudes that get jealous lol. As a matter in fact... every airforce dude I know is well off and gets hoes lol. This is coming from am infantry guy btw
Spot on.. great job putting this out there for aspiring personnel
Sadly those most skilled leave and go into the private sector----and those not so skilled tend to stay in. Not sure that will ever change.
This is a great insight and analysis. Unfortunately Marine Corp leadership will not and don’t want to recognize and fix it. They are happy with the high turn over. Oh oh oh…Mass punishment does NOT fix the issue. Cheers on this video.
No cap you the realist Marine out here.
I joined twice. First time in right after 9/11 never set foot in the states. Grew up overseas everything I learned to be proud to be American came from my dad. I broke my arm in boot camp. They discharged me. I came back in 2006 got out in 2013. Served with 3/5 my whole career, last tour of duty my battalion was badly mauled, lost a lot of good Marines, we came back and it felt like the corp gave zero shits about us. Like many I had a bad tbi and PTSD. The corp in their wisdom sent me to recruiting duty instead to tbi treatment. I could barely think straight yet they wanted me to talk kids into joining. My doctor said I needed serious treatment or I will be medically retired, my co said if I go get treatment for my tbi and not recruit I will be Ninja punched and court martialed. The doctor med sepped me. Said he couldn't have another marine die from suicide because the corp didn't care about wounded Marines.
I joined because I didn’t know what I wanted to do. Definitely not go to college. Ended up reenlisting because I was dumb and didn’t have a plan to get out.
. Less than a month after my reenlistment, I got NJPd for some bullshit. I of course recovered and got my rank back. Even became one of those hard chargers that goes above and beyond anywhere and everywhere I can. Now I’m getting all the training, certificates, apprenticeships and even my degree to ensure I’m good to go when I get the fxck out of here.
I find the group punishment as actually beneficial because when it comes time for serious stuff like war, times are gonna be sooo hard that even the toughest people will stumble and if someone in the team is a hindrance for others they may be the cause of the squad’s downfall. Most people in the military are still quite soft and don’t realize training doesn’t make you a soldier yet but only when you’ve been to war. War is a very serious thing and it changes people’s view on the world entirely. The truth is, Marines and many branches of the army are unaware of this reality and only then realize the military’s values and teachings when they get into a life or death situation. Obviously you can’t blame younger people for not experiencing war but you ought to be most humble to all your superiors because when sh!5 hits the fan (war) you’re gonna need their help and even though you might’ve been treated badly by your superiors or squad members you guys are gonna have to work as one to defeat the enemy. That’s what separates American soldiers from any other country, the value for which we stand. That’s why the emphasis on the team and doing things as a team is so important and why group punishment goes a long way. All the military does is test your character and to be honest the people that leave are usually just not built for it. Joining the military sets you up to go to war, gives you the knowledge and reenactment of war. I feel that many young men need to consider joining the army because many people in modern society don’t have that discipline at all. There are still adults out here that act like total children and can’t get their lives straight. The military (Any branch) will certainly give you a basis to build from whereas civilian life there isn’t really any moral basis whatsoever other than going to school (HS and college) to get a job. Freedom is misused because everybody thinks they can just do whatever they want, and when they join the army their fragile ego gets hurt because there they CAN’T do whatsoever they want and because society have instilled you with the idea you are a useless piece of crap, you believe it and hold yourself up to that standard. A piece of crap.
The McDonald's analogy is spot on except for the part of mass punishment...
(I apologize for the length its neither complaining or contradictory to what the man said) Ive learned when I was in, the Marine Corps and leadership (Sgts and above)say they want leaders but they actually want you to be yes men. The main issue stems from this which is once you suggest a better idea or even ask questions (mind you this is in garrison not in the field or combat)it can be viewed as disrespect or a challenge of authority. You're viewed as a s*** bag and get a bad rep with higher ups. I saw myself and many others just keep our heads down and just go with the motions. We all counted down the days until EAS, because even if we made it to NCO you were still a child to the leadership no matter if you were first tier, third tier or in between. Its an observation I made and many of my fellow Marines made. But the crazy thing is they will then get mad at you because they want you to stay in even though they talk down to you. You can never win man. Most guys I see who stay in either are super motivated (which is rare)or have families and want that stable income and benefits (which I dont blame them) its a game but I will say wether your four years are great or just terrible we are all glad we did it because you still learn on what to do and what not to do as a man and a leader. (Sorry for the essay but I thought id put my two cents in 😅)
I plan on enlisting next year. I’ve heard a lot of shit from guys that’s been in and would’ve stayed in but the bull shit out weighed the good. I personally wanna do at least four years, I’m 27 and I believe I can get by some of that bs that.
GL bro I plan on enlisting also
From personal experience, older people who join handle the bs the worst because it's just childish stupid stuff. Prepare to pay the price for someone else's shortcomings. I enlisted at 21, I'm 25 now and counting down the last 2 months I got left. While I'm grateful for the opportunity the Corps gave me, and I'll never regret joining I must admit it was not what I thought it was going to be, and I realized I'm just not cut out to make a career out a life filled with bs.
Great words of wisdom. "the grass isnt always greener on the other side" STAY IN!!!!!!
Everything you said is true. I got out because of shitbag/dickhead NCO's that brought our morale down. 1 was enough imagine having 2 in your platoon. I also hung out with the wrong crowd. The ones that just wanted to do their 1st enlistment and get out. you can say that their mindset rubbed into to me. Had I stayed I would've done MSG duty or MEU route instead of recruiter or DI route.
They are getting out because the benefits getting are huge. They pay tuition and even pay Marines to go to college. That's huge, they gave nothing when we got out in the 80's. I am glad thay get more today, Marines deserve it.
I'm dealing with guilt of going UA to this day - The day my company Gunnery Sergeant during my check-in in the Reserves told me to not bring my motivated Active Duty (did 4 years active) attitude to the unit, that "we're different here", my UA timer began to tick after 10 years. I was slated to get promoted to Staff Sergeant this past January but I literally couldn't do it anymore 6 months before the end of my re-up contract. What's even a worst reality is that the Marine Corps does not care about you if you're not in uniform. Its like it doesn't even exist. There's no feeling of family or anything except for maybe the 03's amongst their own.
In the fleet, its the bullshit mass punishment that gets to me. Someone fucking up and then we are all told over and over again how we are all fucking garbage marines. The worst is when a “senior Lcpl” fucks up but its still our fault so we have to chinese field day our rooms every week.
The cold hard truth.
My time was Nov 04 2003 - Dec 02 2011. I only stayed for the reenlistment bonus, the Corps was not one bit like what many people portray it as, youre 110% accurate.
There were a lot of problems in the Corps in my time as well , it post Nam era (70s) I got out in 4 yrs gave it my all , sounds a bit the same to me .
Yeah thats sad but true. I did 25 in the Navy and swore i would always treat my people good and i did. But i understand what your saying treatment doesnt need to be made on a 247 year history, and a great leader takes his people puts them under their wing and groom them for sucess. Also you should praise in public punish in private. The marine corp does not know how yo yreat people other than this is how they taught me how to treat people so this is how i treat you. Very backwards. And i think the piint you made about maturity is spot on. If you allow tour people to make critical thibking decisions instead of i say you do tour less likely to have bare minimumal players. Thanks for toutr service.
I remember we thought no one could make you “do more then 4 years” then they introduced us to the “Stop Loss Clause” of the contract
😅566 DAYS LEFT UNTIL MY EAS.....
I feel you
I hated it sometimes but I’ve been out for 2 years out and I miss it roaches in my room the shitty field days. Mass punishment lol we all suffer, and I just miss it mostly the people
Why do you good lads leave? Cause you know you can get paid the same or more, and treated better in other branches or as a civvie. Same with the British Army from mates I spoke to.
Good video. I've been in the Marines for over a year. A year and a few months or so. So I'm about a little over 25% done with my contract so yes I'm pretty new still. Wanna say I've been in the fleet for almost 8 months now. That said, I can already tell I'm not reenlisting. I'm not gonna say any trash here but I'll put it this way, I don't particularly agree with how my NCO'S handle me and my co-workers and even treat us. I also can't stand my MOS. Maybe if I had a different MOS I would feel different. Cuz all I do is walk into work everyday trying to have the most positive attitude and try to have the most polite mindset and it's almost always still a bad day. I'm just not enjoying it. I think another big reason Marines get out is because they want to be back where they're from. I'm personally like that. I want to go back home to my city and do my own thing. I'm proud to be a Marine and serve but I honestly can't wait for my EAS date if that makes sense.
kricket 53 go talk to your career planner and see if you can make a move. I’m not sure how things work since I got out in 1995. Make sure to use your chain of command if possible. Remember it doesn’t hurt to ask. You have a 50% chance of getting a yes. Semper Fi Devil dog🇺🇸👍
@@dreaper1590 Thank you sir. I have honestly been considering talking to the career planner. Even if I can't change my MOS I just need some kind of change even if it was getting stationed somewhere else.
We all definitely miss home and that won't go away even if you stay until retirement. There's always NCO s that take it too far and ruin day after day. It's just the way it is. On the flip side of the coin, you haven't seen a bad day until you are applying a tornaquit to your asshole NCO'S leg while he's crying for mom and automatic gunfire is snapping all around your Chinese fire drill HMMWV. I don't dislike or disagree with what you have to say, but since it's a very common outlook, DON'T FORGET WHAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR! It's competitive and you have to stand out to get the respect you seek. But you have to give it in return, not just be a fly on the wall and expect a ticker tape parade.
@@scottcarter6915 Thanks man I couldn't agree more. At the end of the day your co-workers/NCO's are the ones you could be fighting with and you must look out for one another. And you're right, I haven't seen a bad day. There's plenty of service members who are still in the middle east who would probably do anything to be in my position compared to what they're going through. It's all about looking at the glass half full and just doing the best you can every day.
Sounds like you just picked the wrong mos or just got stuck in a bad unit. It’s only temporary bro✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
In my honest opinion, It depends on what their first duty station is and whether they have unsat/weak/no backbone leadership, then that will be a huge determining factor on whether they stay in or not. I retired 18 years ago so I wouldn't even know how things are now with all this BS going on. My first duty station I had weak NCO's who had no business leading anything or anyone but I decided to stick it out, 20 years later, no regrets. Suffice it to say, the Marines is not for everyone.
8th ESB, Support Company 2002-2006. I got out, due to experiencing my peers mentality was do as I say, not as I do.
I will follow my peers directions, however if you fail to set the example but expect others to follow you... It becomes a dictatorship...
7th esb. When I picked up Cpl..the senior Cpl's wanted me to inspect and conduct Field Day(Thursday)..fail everyone..inspect again at midnight, fail them..inspect again at 0200, fail them and field day Saturday. But also have everyone at PT in the morning at 0530. Stupid shit. We ironed cammies and shined boots back then..the other Cpl's would march the platoon through dirt n mud with their best boots n cammies and tell them they better be squared away by the end of the day. It was toxic big time, nothing got done because of it.
Yup, yup, and yup, a thousand times this!!!!
You forgot to mention that at times we act like kids to stay sane and to keep our moral at a decent level because the beatings will continue