Best reviews of an overall enjoyable season to watch. There are small details like the “elite” soldiers of the Imperium feeling like SW Stormtroopers. There are bigger problems like trying to cover too much with too time. Hopefully they can sort this out and make the next season 10 episodes with 60 minute run times.
George Lucas took a lot from Dune which came first. So yes, stormtroopers are similar to Sardaukar. Agree that more episodes would serve the story better.
@@daniellep7197 what I meant by comparing these “elite” soldiers to SW Stormtroopers was that they were both laughably incompetent. No way these guys are anything close to Sardaukar.
how did lila/dorotea find out where the bodies of her disciples were? the carnage happened after her death, so she couldn't possibly know about the event, from record she knew what there are no traces of her girls, still i liked the season, wish it would be as dynamic as the last episode, first part dragged a bit gonna miss poor javicco
Maybe the ancestors communicate? Is Dorotea the grandmother or mother of Lila? If she's the mother then it won't make sense. If she's the grandmother then maybe they can communicate slightly about key events which are emotionally attached to the psyche perhaps? This in itself is fine but what I don't understand is why that hole with water existed in the first place? Why was that hole never drained before? Won't the bodies stink up the water or cause bacteria to form in the water causing suspicion? And why wasn't the drainage pipe system not better protected? Why was the door to Anirul so easily broken into by Lila? Why was this so well hidden till now when it was just one step away from the main entrance? How did no one find out about the sisters dumping bodies into the water hole?
Good question. My three best guesses: (a) plot hole, (b) Lila's mother, who hasn't been revealed, somehow found out, or (c) Other Memories aren't necessarily limited to the lifetimes of those ancestors, and may be somewhat more omniscient.
Travis Fimmel mentioned that there were originally going to be more scripts but the strike ultimately required them to condense it into 6 so in that respect it definitely felt a little packed. I’m reluctantly engaged enough to see what they do in S2, and am curious how the writers might improve the show when given more breathing room.
huh , packed ???????? bro nothing happened , this entre series is one page in an old show like Supernatural , and just so you know what one page means , a page of script is one minute , so lets look at an episode that is an hour , credits take 9 minutes , no dialogue scenes take up 20 minutes , so this show got the script length of a friends episode , actually even less since in Friends they talk instead of just looking at each other with sad Bambi eyes , so this show got maybe13 page per episode , that is how "packed" this shit was
@@zsbacskai7331The first episode was a lot of setup, but I think a lot happened overall. I feel like people just wanted action, and without action, to them, nothing is happening.
The series did its job pretty well, but I expect even better going into season 2. And those Sardaukar hoods would limit peripheral visibility, however inexpensive.
Amazing casting of young Valya played by Jessica Barden! Also, I looked up Olivia Williams (Tula) on IMDb, and, among other roles, she was Bruce Willis's wife in "The Sixth Sense." More recently, she was in "The Crown" as Camilla Parker Bowles. I agree that this last episode was the best.
It seems like this season set her up to be the one acolyte who will be skeptical of Dorotea's new order on Wallach IX. The rest seem ready to drink the Kool-Aid.
Besides from a production standpoint this entire show is a lazy attempt at shoehorning in 'origins' for recognisable ideas from Frank Herbert's works. The proto-Littany against fear in this final episode was the nail in the coffin for me. It's like they took aspects from the novels and worked backwards from there, rather than adapting an interesting and believable story.
I think that that is the point. All the characters are grey and whilst Valya is utterly ruthless her motivations appear to be grey. So whatever her plan is on Arrakis, she obviously succeeds because the "Sisterhood" becomes ever more powerful over the next 10,000 years.
My mother's the same way. She wants there to be definitive good guys and bad guys in conflicts, so she can root for the good guys agaisnt the bad guys. By contrast, I quite enjoy realistically flawed characters, antiheroes, shades of grey, etc. Whatever the setting, sometimes there just aren't really any good guys.
She's not a reverend mother so, she didn't master that skill. Maybe sister Nazir w/ her additional prana-bindu training could've transformed the poison too but generally speaking it's not a skill that all sisters have
Interesting question, one would think that she had a shot at it as it seemed to be a trait that was used for a number of important things (selection of the gender of a baby, etc … ).
One confusing mess of an episode. Too many uninteresting characters with only schematic motivations. Like GoT, not a moral character in the whole lot. Bring back the machines.
yeah, this is a pretty looking, but narrative doomed execution of a shoehorned cannon, the amount of eye rolling i did during this episode hurt my sockets. the most obvious was the default throughout this whole season. it was nicely stylized scifi, which at no point did i believe it occured 10k years before DUNE, but the story itself, woof, so basic as to be insulting. i'll most likely tune in next season for the sets and fx alone, but ending the season on arakis, i mean, lmfao, cmon man.
Why waste your life on this? Just for the sets? Don’t you have anything better to do? Understand your worth. Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t so bad really but not worth a second season imo
I think she got caught in an unguarded state - she was upset that Javicco was dying and otherwise would have been more focused, heard the empress sneaking up behind her, and been ready to fight or fight the poison
For me, I couldn’t get past how Ines risked everything for her lover who was about to wipe out her mother and father. That’s such a weird character choice.
@ that’s a good point - Inez in general I could not latch on to as a character, even though she is meant to be so important. I think it is because of how she is written, including motivational inconsistencies like the one you are describing. There was that moment where she reveals how she just feels like a piece on the board being used in the game of power, and that coupled with her disgust at the way her parents are using the bashar to murder their opponents could explain it, but there still seems to be a gap there.
It's a simple, basic tool invented thousands of years ago on Earth. Earth is part of the history in the Dune books, which were written after Frank Herbert's original book.
@@p-j-y-d Yes my friend, for real. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Dune and overall I really liked the show. That bar just looked like something I picked up at Home Depot to pry open the windows in my house. Do you for really think 10,000 years in the future they'd be waving one around?
someone tell me how does lila/doreatea knows where the bodies are? This is the biggest plot hole in this show. Also how does lila/doreatea know how she died? Did doreatea give birth while killing herself?
With Mikaela gone, Kieran in custody, and Horace publicly executed at the Landsraad I'm not sure how much would remain once the Sisterhood was no longer manipulating them.
makes no sense why the face dancer changed to the princess ... i thought she was gonna lock herself up in the suspension rig.. she changed to her for no reason, nobody even saw it
The original plan was for her to take Ynez's place. When the princess insisted they free Kieran too, that plan was no longer viable. They didn't have a spare face dancer to take his place.
really dug the show as a whole, good to see they renewed it for s2
HBO pulled a rabbit out of hat last minute. Kudos for the writers who managed to keep interest going till the very end.
Merry Christmas Pete.
Hell ya been waiting on this all day.
Love your reviews
Pete is the best.
Best tv episode of anything in a long time. Haters are simply miserable if they can't enjoy this.
I would say Penguin finale and Shogun’s Crimson Sky were better if we are looking at the past year…but this was Dune: Prophecy’s best episode.
Best reviews of an overall enjoyable season to watch.
There are small details like the “elite” soldiers of the Imperium feeling like SW Stormtroopers. There are bigger problems like trying to cover too much with too time.
Hopefully they can sort this out and make the next season 10 episodes with 60 minute run times.
George Lucas took a lot from Dune which came first. So yes, stormtroopers are similar to Sardaukar. Agree that more episodes would serve the story better.
they are still a new unit/company rn
@@daniellep7197 what I meant by comparing these “elite” soldiers to SW Stormtroopers was that they were both laughably incompetent. No way these guys are anything close to Sardaukar.
how did lila/dorotea find out where the bodies of her disciples were? the carnage happened after her death, so she couldn't possibly know about the event, from record she knew what there are no traces of her girls, still
i liked the season, wish it would be as dynamic as the last episode, first part dragged a bit
gonna miss poor javicco
Maybe the ancestors communicate? Is Dorotea the grandmother or mother of Lila? If she's the mother then it won't make sense. If she's the grandmother then maybe they can communicate slightly about key events which are emotionally attached to the psyche perhaps? This in itself is fine but what I don't understand is why that hole with water existed in the first place? Why was that hole never drained before? Won't the bodies stink up the water or cause bacteria to form in the water causing suspicion? And why wasn't the drainage pipe system not better protected? Why was the door to Anirul so easily broken into by Lila? Why was this so well hidden till now when it was just one step away from the main entrance? How did no one find out about the sisters dumping bodies into the water hole?
I mean where else would they be buried?
@@lilliebobson3146 Anywhere else? Makes very little sense.
Good question. My three best guesses: (a) plot hole, (b) Lila's mother, who hasn't been revealed, somehow found out, or (c) Other Memories aren't necessarily limited to the lifetimes of those ancestors, and may be somewhat more omniscient.
Travis Fimmel mentioned that there were originally going to be more scripts but the strike ultimately required them to condense it into 6 so in that respect it definitely felt a little packed. I’m reluctantly engaged enough to see what they do in S2, and am curious how the writers might improve the show when given more breathing room.
huh , packed ???????? bro nothing happened , this entre series is one page in an old show like Supernatural , and just so you know what one page means , a page of script is one minute , so lets look at an episode that is an hour , credits take 9 minutes , no dialogue scenes take up 20 minutes , so this show got the script length of a friends episode , actually even less since in Friends they talk instead of just looking at each other with sad Bambi eyes , so this show got maybe13 page per episode , that is how "packed" this shit was
Interesting point about why there were so few episodes. But does that explain why the first two episodes were so …
@@zsbacskai7331The first episode was a lot of setup, but I think a lot happened overall. I feel like people just wanted action, and without action, to them, nothing is happening.
I am glad the show got renewed. I liked enough of it that I did want more. Especially since the ending was not as whole.
The series did its job pretty well, but I expect even better going into season 2. And those Sardaukar hoods would limit peripheral visibility, however inexpensive.
Im starting to think its the Guild that is the shadow player.
Amazing casting of young Valya played by Jessica Barden! Also, I looked up Olivia Williams (Tula) on IMDb, and, among other roles, she was Bruce Willis's wife in "The Sixth Sense." More recently, she was in "The Crown" as Camilla Parker Bowles. I agree that this last episode was the best.
Damn, they have to destroy the digital tree right before Christmas.
So who does the reckoning relate to, is it desmond or dorotea or this unknown person in the vision?
What about Sister Jen? What is her purpose? Does not seem she is intended only as a throwaway background character.
I think she is going to be some sort of mentat connection for the sisterhood.
It seems like this season set her up to be the one acolyte who will be skeptical of Dorotea's new order on Wallach IX. The rest seem ready to drink the Kool-Aid.
0:18 “Everyone sees them.” Is that the case? I thought that there was an exception which suggested that some people were not infected with the virus.
Besides from a production standpoint this entire show is a lazy attempt at shoehorning in 'origins' for recognisable ideas from Frank Herbert's works. The proto-Littany against fear in this final episode was the nail in the coffin for me. It's like they took aspects from the novels and worked backwards from there, rather than adapting an interesting and believable story.
Poor Javicco... dude got absolutely rekt!
really bad day
Thank you for you breakdowns of this really amazing show, you made it more interesting for me -- you should get paid by HBO :)
This episode blew my mind! Freaking amazing
I just love Emily Watson, I'd love if Samantha Morton was cast as anyone on the show, they're look so much alike and are both bad ass actresses!
The thing I struggled with was finding someone to route for. I'm not sure who I'm supposed to want to do well
I think that that is the point. All the characters are grey and whilst Valya is utterly ruthless her motivations appear to be grey. So whatever her plan is on Arrakis, she obviously succeeds because the "Sisterhood" becomes ever more powerful over the next 10,000 years.
My mother's the same way. She wants there to be definitive good guys and bad guys in conflicts, so she can root for the good guys agaisnt the bad guys. By contrast, I quite enjoy realistically flawed characters, antiheroes, shades of grey, etc. Whatever the setting, sometimes there just aren't really any good guys.
@Hochspitz I wonder if this might be the origin of Missionaria Protectiva.
I think if the blue eyes would have turned out to be Leto II would have been more interesting than a machine.
Maybe. We have to remember that the Estate doesn't see the story ending with Chapterhouse.
I wonder if the sisterhoods thinking machine somehow communicated with the other thinking machine
I enjoyed the journey as a whole, expanding the world of Dune. Let's see how it will all unfold in season 2!
im waiting so long for that
How did Dorothea know about the skeletons in the pond? She wasn't alive when that happened.
I downloaded episode 6 from different sites and they uploaded episode 5 with the name of 6 😢
I like this show
Why the sister that got poisoned by the queen could heal herself?
She's not a reverend mother so, she didn't master that skill.
Maybe sister Nazir w/ her additional prana-bindu training could've transformed the poison too but generally speaking it's not a skill that all sisters have
Interesting question, one would think that she had a shot at it as it seemed to be a trait that was used for a number of important things (selection of the gender of a baby, etc … ).
One confusing mess of an episode.
Too many uninteresting characters with only schematic motivations.
Like GoT, not a moral character in the whole lot. Bring back the machines.
To me the blue eyes are still a foreshadowing of the god emperor
yeah, this is a pretty looking, but narrative doomed execution of a shoehorned cannon, the amount of eye rolling i did during this episode hurt my sockets. the most obvious was the default throughout this whole season. it was nicely stylized scifi, which at no point did i believe it occured 10k years before DUNE, but the story itself, woof, so basic as to be insulting. i'll most likely tune in next season for the sets and fx alone, but ending the season on arakis, i mean, lmfao, cmon man.
Agree, it's so dumb
Hater it was a good story
Why waste your life on this? Just for the sets? Don’t you have anything better to do? Understand your worth. Don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t so bad really but not worth a second season imo
@@mjw907 bot, it wasn't
I liked it, but felt like the writers bit off waaay more then they could chew
Overall Dune Prophecy was OK-ish but some story parts were questionable. Shouldn't Francesca be able to fight the poison? She just dropped dead!
I think she got caught in an unguarded state - she was upset that Javicco was dying and otherwise would have been more focused, heard the empress sneaking up behind her, and been ready to fight or fight the poison
For me, I couldn’t get past how Ines risked everything for her lover who was about to wipe out her mother and father. That’s such a weird character choice.
@ that’s a good point - Inez in general I could not latch on to as a character, even though she is meant to be so important. I think it is because of how she is written, including motivational inconsistencies like the one you are describing. There was that moment where she reveals how she just feels like a piece on the board being used in the game of power, and that coupled with her disgust at the way her parents are using the bashar to murder their opponents could explain it, but there still seems to be a gap there.
Minor miracle they pulled this off as well as they did.
That crowbar caught my eye too. Don't they have enough budget to come up with something less 20th century for that moment?
For real, the crowbar? Is that your argument for not enjoying this? Are you on a mission to be unhappy on purpose?
It's a simple, basic tool invented thousands of years ago on Earth. Earth is part of the history in the Dune books, which were written after Frank Herbert's original book.
@@p-j-y-d Yes my friend, for real. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Dune and overall I really liked the show. That bar just looked like something I picked up at Home Depot to pry open the windows in my house. Do you for really think 10,000 years in the future they'd be waving one around?
This show is more faithful than the movies. You and nerd cookies are delusional.
someone tell me how does lila/doreatea knows where the bodies are? This is the biggest plot hole in this show. Also how does lila/doreatea know how she died? Did doreatea give birth while killing herself?
Space magic...
am i the only one that finds 'the voice' a bit cringeworthy? "take out your blade!!' (eugh)
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Shields are now useless in the Dune Universe.
So, the rebels did what with the spice? They wanted to bring spice to the all commoners everywhere... right?
With Mikaela gone, Kieran in custody, and Horace publicly executed at the Landsraad I'm not sure how much would remain once the Sisterhood was no longer manipulating them.
makes no sense why the face dancer changed to the princess ... i thought she was gonna lock herself up in the suspension rig.. she changed to her for no reason, nobody even saw it
She changed because the original plan was a simple swap. They weren’t supposed to try to rescue both the prisoners, just the princess.
@@Mari0o0o yeah.. its still a swap, she could have just went up on the suspension thing still
The original plan was for her to take Ynez's place. When the princess insisted they free Kieran too, that plan was no longer viable. They didn't have a spare face dancer to take his place.
@@PetePeppers1 ok i get it now thanks, cause its suspicious if hes only one gone.. dam im too stupid for these shows
The voice power reminds me of the similar power in Code Geass anime
Im surprised it's getting a 2nd season. For sure it won't get 3rd
Super boring show. All of the characters are unbearable or miserable. The only one I liked was Lila in her alternate states.
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Valuable Trump is the absolute worst.
I mean Valya Harkonnen. Sorry.
first!
I loved it!
I also have followed PP on Bluesky!🙂
Constantine will be Emperor in the end. It's the only thing that makes sense.