Battlefield 2042 ► Why Did DICE Nerf C5..? & How To Still Solo Tanks
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Ever since DICE nerfed C5 for Assault players, many people have been having a hard time, but you can still solo tanks fairly easily.
00:00 Intro
00:47 Why did DICE nerf C5?
02:09 C5 is still worth it
03:24 How to solo tanks
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Thanks, good call-out, pinning this.
Back in the old days the Assault didn't even have any anti tank material to deal with them. In Battlefield 4, the assault had only grenade launchers, defibs, and med bags
It's because the assault class in BF4 is the medic lol.
That was back in your days boomer
Love how you show both sides of the argument. Especially showing the armor efficacy with the C5 placement. Also, I feel the BF player space has been infected by COD types. The specialist switch and lack of destructible environments now that those things have made a comeback they're complaining about it. Keep it up bromigo
The vehicle camping was caused by Mackeys in the first place. An Assault shouldn't be able to solo vehicles, this is the reason why engineer pick rate is so small in this game.
To deal with vehicles camping in the spawn you can use a chopper, or get just one more friend and deal with it with Lis, even more so if it's an wildcat which doesn't get for some reason the APS.
Same goes for Assault players, they being able to use three AP grenades under their rifles were insane... there was no way I could get inside of a objective before... now I can, Im a freaking TANK! I should be able to tank a bit of damage, enough to push infantry out so my team can go in, and then retreat for repairs. The enemy has to be organized an foccused on taking be down... not just bunny hop around, hookup on top of me as I warch defenseless they put C5 and me and basically solo me up.. it makes no sense.
Let's get this straight, in Ukraine a single soldier can take a tank out with one atgm shot and you're complaining one player can take a tank out in game and that's unfair. How many atgm do you have to hit a tank with in bf2042 to kill it? 2 or 3 and you're complaining.
@somefatbugger do you have brain damage?
@@somefatbugger Not you didnt get it at all.. Im complaining because this game ain't no flipping sim... you can't justify soloing a tank as being "realistic" while you get dumb4ss characters dressed like clowns hopping about like bunnies in heat while shooting accurately from like 70m away... if this was a serious realistic millitary sim, I'd be ok with you taking down a tank with a single preciselly placed C4... but this game is arcade as fck, so you can't be a hypocrit and ask for "realism" when it's convenient for you... while all the rest plays like an arcady game.
Now you get my point?
@@somefatbugger Lets get this straight, this is a video game and not real life. The point is for things to try and be balanced not for them to be as realistic as possible hence the reason bf games are arcade fps shooters and not milsims.
@somefatbugger bro used the ukraine war as an example 🤣🤣. At least in real life, soldiers cant grapple to ur tank or wingsuit towards it. Bro wat r u on about...
People were crying about this game not having classes then Dice makes this change to make sure that engineers are the definitive anti-vehicle class and people are crying that you can't take out tanks as assault/recon? This change is great imo, as an amateur vehicle player, it was way too easy to get swarmed by people with C5 and you stood no chance.
I mean recon and support in bf4 had c4 so they also could take out tanks
Totally agree players got use to solo killing a vehicle. Unlike BF5, where you had to use anti-tank granade, bazooka, etc, to take out vehicles. Players need to change their load out for each possible role within a squad.
It’s easier to solo a tank in bfv because you could use dynamite, a launcher, and an at grenade. That’s on my assaualt kit and I enjoy sneaking up and soloing them.
Solo tank kill was very easy in BFV
C4/c5 was always over powered in battlefield. The closest balance wise was bf1 because it took lots to blow up vehicles which shocker is also the game where. vehicles felt the best.
There is a reason why virtually every battlefield game tanks become armored snipers camping in the back of maps and it's because 1 dude can suicide c4. Making it harder is a good thing. Vehicles and tanks especially should be powerful but clunky force multipliers that takes effort to destroy.
Thank you for the simple explanation, happy I'm subscribed 😊👍
Yeah, many people are rushing with vehicles now and as an engineer main with an rpg, I see this as an absolute win 😂
Most of the time the tank you encounter isn’t full health. Its a team effort and that’s fine. And its an assault class. You wanna solo kill a tank. Use engineer. That’s all and it’s how it should be. Wtv they do. People will always complain.
Im totally on the side of agreeing with the change, and I'm someone who tanks a lot and also C4's enemy tanks... however, having an assault player being able to take out a tank in that way was ridiculous (fun and awesome yes, but ridiculous how easy it was). I don't also believe that camping wildcats is an argument, there is always a way to take out a camping vehicle.
Thank you, I had to look up this video after a few months of not playing. As I usually play an aggressive recon, I was already a bit disappointed in Sundance losing the ability to carry a radio beacon, it was great to turn the table by disturbing enemy lines.
Now I often play Casper in a sneaky kind of gameplay, and after like the fourth attempt at C4'ing tanks or APCs I was fed up and thought it must have been nerfed.
Thanks for the confirmation, I'll retry sneaking two packs perfectly in the center back now! :D
I like the change honestly. I see a lot more people playing aggressive with vehicles now instead of camping
That’s what I’m thinking. Hopefully reduces rail gun tank campers especially with it having damage drop off now
That change was such a good idea. Trying out new vehicles or level them up was a joke. You had to be scared of being attacked by 500x Assault players coming in with gagdes
I've always done this because more times than not, I'll miss a C5 so I have to resort to the underbarrel. Now for sure I can't afford to miss.
As far as there only being 2 AR's with the AP Grenades, it's actually 3 now with the AK 5C.
Love your take on this game and it's mechanics brother.... Just started watching you recently and wish I would have discovered you sooner. Jordi1-1 use to be my go to. I miss him dearly. You remind me alot of him and his professionalism. God bless brother.. keep it going!
Cheers mate, appreciate it 🙏
Womp womp just play engineer. You'll survive if you play another class to benefit your team.
There are still those games where nobody but you bothers to take down vehicles
Has there ever been a BF2042 Specialist more nerfed than Sundance?
First they removed her EMP Grenade, then they nerfed her wingsuit speed, then they removed her flying auto tracking Anti Armor Grenade, then they nerfed her wing suit speed a little more and now they removed one of her C5's. What's next, her scatter grenades?
They’ve previously made changes to her scatter grenade lol
That's because Sundance (And to a lesser extent Mackay) completely destroys the games balance with her mobility. Why use engineers when you can wingsuit right on top of a tank? Sundance can go literally anywhere, meaning you can get shot from literally anywhere. Sundance was a mistake the cost the game dearly. Mackay isn't much better.
@@RhythmAndPlay lol, I also forgot they removed her spawn beacon too.
@@saladv6069 Well there was always an easy fix for Sundance without needing to remove or nerf anything else. Just remove all C5's from her inventory. I never found her mobility being something ruining the game balance. She is good against camping snipers that do nothing but stay in one spot the entire game. They could just make her wingsuit sound a little louder so that we could hear it coming from further away.
@@VizioN-ScopeYeah it's surprising they don't limit some equipment Sundance or Makay has the way they do with Lis not having any of the shoulder mounted rockets
I think that is accurate to real life. If it is that’s really a true testament of how much dice puts into the game and its small little details.
I don’t even wanna hear about infantry destroying vehicles unless it’s engineers. It’s like the entire community forgot about role players that paved the foundation for previous Battlefields. Now you can barely support your squad and have to watch out for every specialty
AK 5C also has AP under barrel grenades.
Another one is keep the enemy tank spotted to attract more damage.... As soon as they do, then swoop in and do your thing.
Ive had a team take my tank within seconds, there are some teams that will band together to get rid of a vehicle with ease
AK 5C has the AP grenades as well unless I am having a senior moment here.
It does
If DICE had an issue with MacKay and Sundance being able to solo any tank, they should have removed the access of C5 from the assault class.
The tier 1 requirement is still "vehicles destroyed", the only class that can do that now is the engineer class, which honestly has better options to get the same results, like an at-mine for example. But they decided to remove one more incentive for the recons to get into the thick of battles.
Recon in the thick of what now? LOOOOOOOOOOL no really HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 🤣 I actually can't believe it.... LMAO This guy just said "incentive for the recons to get into the thick of battles" 😭😭😭😭😭 Bro you need to tell your parents they left you behind at the bus-stop this morning
It seems that players are unaware that getting killed in Battlefield games is not really a big thing. I know, because I get killed more than most players. Focus less on being the solo "hero" and start playing as a team. Then, 2 C5s will be plenty.
That and Stingers. This is such a simple concept that most Battlefield players are too stupid to understand. 1-2 Vehicle < 15-30 Anti-Vehicle and that's being generous. It shouldn't be allowed for 1 player to carry the firepower of what should be spread out over a squad to take out a vehicle. For years now all you get to hear as a vehicle player is "BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP" for the entire game unless you're a tank then Sundance just flies down on top of you after you made the mistake of driving past 50 ft and got yourself C5'd. This game and DICE can SMDFTB
You're right cause no one cares about KD other then cod people cause dieing in BF it's just normal.
I think that the C5 should be getting extra power if they were combined with some sacrificial vehicle to perform the Jeep Stuff Maneuver
I think adding a grapple hook to the engineer class would be interesting 😂nothing beats watching someone grapple onto an aircraft and blowing it up
I do agree with DICE and their sentiments that C5 was too strong, but I would have prefered to see C5 removed from recon instead of gimping it for both assault and recon. Having 2/4 classes that can instakill armor with C5 instead of 3/4 would bring things more in line with how C4 was in BF4. Recon players would be encouraged to use laser designating to help against vehicles and assault players could still utilize traversal abilities to close distance with armor. Additionally, they could give the CAV's C5 resistance to a vehicle like the MAV which seems especially prone to getting targeted by C5. DICE have said they're also going to increase reserve ammo for rocket launchers which should help make sure things don't get too difficult for infantry.
I mostly agree but I still don't want to see sundance or mackay insta killing a tank. as for the soflam, i think the soflam should be buffed, the player should get a sizeable amount of xp each time they designate a vehicle and assist in destroying it. I don't think the MAV should have the C5 resistance that the CAV has because it has more weapon seats than the CAV.
I enjoy the changes mainly because Assault can have some anti-armor utility but they shouldn’t solo. Back then, Battlefield is a team game where if you work with others you could take down vehicles easily. Having maneuverability with insta-tank kill potential destroys teamwork. At this point it’s Planetside 2 C4 fairies all over again.
good advice.
Play as crawford get extra over the shoulder rockets. Sfar my go to with maul hybrid sight arcom barel standard ammo increases rate of fire. Ap underbarrel. And run tank grenades
Whats the issue with ea app removing my friends?
It's unfortunate we don't have 3 c5 anymore but understandable. I haven't had to hunt down armor in spawn since the update but I do intend to figure out how to do it again. My money is on the rear grill attack. Hopefully I can finishit off with the grenade if that fails.
Recon should have 3 since unlike Assault they actually don’t have any BS way to get a free tank kill. Even if u hack/emp the vehicle, their guns still work and can deal with any recons running to them. Unless of course, the Recon just flanks u easily and/or u didn’t see them coming (which is the vehicle player’s fault for bad positioning or just wrong place at the wrong time).
That‘s a good call tbh, I like that idea . But Assault 2x C5 should stay 100%
No mate. Recon wasn t made to take out a tank in the first place. He s not a tank destroyer. Honestly i feel there shouldn t be any c5 on a recon as it makes it much worse for tankers overall and also it gives too much power to a class which already has power of inteligence. A recon officer should do his job only, which is to supervise the battlefield and report the enemy position and numbers. That s it. What i did as a good recon/assault player was to become almost impossible to spot while taking out enemy vehicles delta force style. Just think, a recon with c5 is also assault in a way. Which is a double edged sword. Put emp or smoke nades on Rao and with 3 c5 he s almost unstoppable. Recon was made to help facilitate the assault in taking out enemy tanks or planes. Thus working in pair. One with soflam and one with javelins. Like in a real war combat. But seldom you see 2 guys working like that. Not to mention a whole squad. Everybody wants kills. Cod style. No more battlefield tactical thinking. A recon is not a Rambo.
@@PharaoahMonk I agree. But recon was always used as a sniper class when it was weapon locked. Putting Tugs and spawn beacon far away from objectives.
Now that it's opened up, as a class I prefer it. As it allows me to provide close to medium recon support with an AR or SMG.
Depending on how the enemy vehicles are doing, I may fall back and SOFLAM everything until we get net positive on armor.
Personally they could drop c5 from recon too. But I would like to see some form of mortar system from BC2. OR just an ability to laser designate any area for an engineer to call in mortars.
Class to class teamwork must stay.
I got most of my c5 kills as a recon. Usually a smoke and kill on an oblivious vehicle.
It was so annoy when mckay hook from the front and you shoot him but the hitbox is so broken that he drop 3 c5 and blow you up
If you use two c4 and the grenades you can kill the tank I’ve done it plenty of times
And this guide comes to question.... why is AP Rounds the only grenade type that gets more than one round
pretty sure c5 shouldnt even be able to take them down unless they put it directly on a very weak spot on the tank because most players put it on the side or back and the armor and engine would be damaged but the tank wouldnt be taken out so never really understood that, its like players dont understand the armor tanks have and the composites that they use are designed for defending against explosives.
The c-5 solo with sun and mackay ruined the game. Its dam near impossible to stop them from getting on top of your tank. I dont think anything should solo a vehicle other then anti tank mines but even then its around 3 just to do that. I stopped taking vehicle it juat seemed like everyone had mackay and grapples on or sundance comes down from a heli. But then when the enemy has a tank its like every afraid to take it out
The new assault rifle also has AP rounds
Dont forget c5 can still be used in clustered areas like redacted to clear out enemy strongholds
my gripe with this is that as a support main I have NO MEANS whatsoever of deterring a tank from attacking me...
Yup.... Smoke and run haha.
@@TheoriginalBMT it doesn't always work LOL
I think this could’ve been a decent balance idea if you could get ammo like in bfv. But having to rely on teammates for ammo in this game is infuriating at times.
Easier to just die and respawn with full loadout at times.
@@TheoriginalBMT 100%
Awesome 😊😊
Crawford is the only one now with 3 c5, which i don't like playing with
Did we forget they can fix its self or hit the green shield
Bro called it a "green shield". Please do yourself and just don't play Battlefield anymore. Actual cringe and your last name is Leslie.
I know they don’t want more expensive spam shit but the SPH launcher is absolutely garbage. They should just turn it into a normal HE launcher and give it 2-3 shells boom something actually useful that I would use.
Dont think a nerf from infantry should have happened, but a nerf from choppers and jets to tanks should. 2 jets can take out a tank in 1 run, 1 jet takes 2 runs but the tank cannot recover after the first one. Attack choppers do it just as easily. Infantry struggles a bit more, unless youre playing in a full squad where everyone is targeting it together. Planting c5 on tanks was satisfying, sneaking around or throwing smokes and getting it. I honestly just get in a jet and take out every vehicle on the map lol its quite simple.
for normal tanks, this is fine. But when im trying to kill a tor tank nest thats surrounded by APS whilst being ontop of a skyscraper. It make's it literally impossible. (because c5 kamikazi is literally the only method after that)
Ak24 is a beast of a weapon
This is a good update. I like to use ground vehicles but was a bit wondering if this new map is just Sundance and Mackay campers sitting on the roof with a C5 just to "easily" destroy me. I have never liked playing with these two specialist because they are downright boring. Always prefer Dozer or Zain if I have to choose this class... And anyway, an engineer has the only and respectable way to face a tank. If an engineer gets to destroy my tank by himself, it's always a better option than these damn C5 throwers.
(Other people getting angry about the C5 nerf)
Me casually kills low health vehicles with sticky grenade launcher
Ah you think Nerfs is your ally? You merely adopted the changes. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me!!
I used C5 for recon and now i cant kill a single vehicle its such bullshit.
Also to say its understandable is stupid when majority of the maps are so bloody open its not hard to see a camper.
Unless its low health.
I think the change is balanced... honnestly as a vehicle player I like to push on the objectives and put pressure and before the change it was like almost impossible to survive more then 2 second on a breakthrough push for example.... leading me to just stop playing vehicules because I dont wanna camp in the spawn.... I wanna go in cause severe damage get the aggro for my team.... and potentially die still..... but not guaranteed
I loved going to out of bounds and killing tanks. Eve if I ran out of time . I miss that 😢.
Should have left the C5 and got rid of the batman grappling hook and flying squirrel suit instead. Two of the stupidest things in the game, other than Dozers little plastic shield that tank shells bounce off of.
Against a good tanker you’re still screwed lol
You still cant really solo kill a tank with launchers you run out of ammo before you can kill
I don't feel the Recon class should still have three C5
Agreed
It would be nice if they also take away 3rd person view for vehicles, this would be the best.
But u always have to change ur class and Gun setup to actually take down the Tank / hellcat. Thats annoying and its not garanteed u are successful.
Anti infantry mines on tanks like the bolte has would have solved the issue.
What bothers me is how over powered the anti tank mines are they are constantly EVERYWHERE on the map making it extremely hard to drive vehicles anywhere. And I havnt noticed a difference for the wildcat I'm still getting hit across the map it's extremely annoying
The anti tank mines were always overpowered. In Bad Company 2 for example, the maps were smaller, so it was almost certain that you would find some in the way. You just have to shoot then and follow your way
Anti-tank mines over powered? What in the kermit Jim lahey are you on about lol
I actually think they're too visible, in battlefield 1 and 4 it was possible to hide them right under the ground sometimes, I'm not sure if that was intended but it was very useful. Plus you can only set 3 down so it's not that bad.
@@MViper757 yes when half their team is running with them and your luck is like mine where no one hops into your vehicle helping spot them you drive blindly right into them
The mines are hyper visible and even on radar, just shoot the damn things. They've been nerfed too since you could almost throw them as people were passing by now they have a warmup period . Drivers focusing too much on infantry and other vehicles is what makes you susceptible to driving over them.
Can Liz not one shot little birds anymore??
as of yesterday she still can
It’s easier to use Anti-Tank Mines 😂
Or just put the C5 and put a grenade there close to the tank 👍
How to solo a tank? Just play Portal where you still have 3 C4.
C5 was overpowered I'm glad they fixed it or at least try to
Not being able to solo a tank with c5 with assault was terrible for the game balance. It's pretty funny to me as a tanker because there was literally no reason to push objectives before. It's really just lone wolf players bitching who don't care about the overall balance and health of the vehicle and engineer game.
Being able to solo a tank with Sundance or Mckay totally ruined Engineers role in the game. Why shoot RPGs when you can fly in behind tanks and kill them.
I wish tanks got the ability the brawler has to drop bombs.
The Irish aps needs to not be deployable in the spawn, then there is a non assault class way to remove campers.
@@stormer9952 Then... buff the engeneer and give them more rockets?
It’s the tank campers with the rail tank that will sit in spawn that need to be addressed.
Ok i understand nerf for the assault, but why nerf the recons???? It makes 0 sense, none of them can quickly get close to the tank and destroy it
That's the recon player's punishment for being useless to everyone else.
@@cantbeseriousfr sure, I've never used casper to destroy enemy aps systems and respawn beacons. Well now I can't do it too because it's removed from the game.
I guess all the kids complained all the times i blee their asses up 😂
Dude you're thinking way too much, one or two rpg should destroy a tank the end ,realistic is the hole point
It's still not worth it at all getting close to the tank is an achievement in itself I shouldn't have to do all that just to kill it have fun doing all that before getting shot by another player your better off just not even engaging the tank at all let the rocket bois handle it
Yeah this shit game taking away everything we've to kill tanks with and helis with forever flares .
Engineer class exists
People thinking c5 has no other purpose besides to take out vehicles, are just 1 dimensional players who legit suck at the game and can’t think outside the box 😂
Nah I disagree... C5 pretty useless and what little use it has is very situational. You are better off with pretty much any other gadget now. Glad I blew up my share of tanks before this nerf to get the t1 badge.
Mate. A good tanker would totally destroy you with 5 c5 or 2 c5. By the time you get near to him you re already dead. No way in hell you re gonna get close to me and drop 3 c5 on my tank. One c5 maybe but by then you re obliterated and made one with the universe. The only ambush you can do to tankers is at the lower tier noobs who are unaware of their surroundings. So 2 or 3, it really doesnt matter to me. But noobs will cry over anything always. Papa Monk will destroy you anyway
Another dumb change to make it impossible to destroy vehicles.
cope
Use Engineer or stop crying.
If it was up to me I would remove Sundance entirely and rework Mckays lone wolf zipline into the BF Hardline zipline.
I just want Sundance's anti vehicle/equipment grenade to return for engineers. I'm fine with it being just anti equipment
Happy about this change, tank have no reason to push obj cause istant die with amount of assault trying c5 tabk, noone plays engineer no teamplay only run and shot as cod. Cod communjty at all u want solo kill tank? Use engineer with 4 rocket granade mines c5 3 charge or lis tv across the map..vehicle must be op but they need to balance them for pushing obj. I hope they buff also heli.. that g84tv is EMBARASSING and BRAINDEAD FRIENDLY should be removed and attack heli and jet should be buffed also with active radar on stinger.. remember dear old BF3 time where infantry vehicle balance was great. Also bf4 where 2 perfect rocket hit from behind kill the tank..for counter vehicle there is engineer class no scout no assault or medic support whatever.. if u dont like it go back on cod and stop destroy this game.. community in bf2042 is casual and embarassing in teamplay and skill.. no idea how to play the game becasue they are literally 70% cod player
I stopped playing Dice server beacouse of to little bullet damage , as assault player i cant engage tanks , helis and other vehicles. Assault should be able to advance solo and have power to destroy at least MAV solo.
Go play a milsim then
@@stormer9952 Millsim is the core of battlefield games even from 1942
@m.kodila9477 😂 nah man BFV is such a milsim as I slide around on the oil slicked ground as a Japanese female soldier in the Netherlands.
Ghost, this Bob's your uncle guide does not fit the narrative of Reddit Battlefield engineers. Shhhh.
So they give classes the opportunity to use all sorts of gear but now they are seeing it as a bad idea lol dice you guys are idiots, should have just left certain items strictly for classes like the usual battlefield
Very nice.
#Battlefield2042 #Hardcore #Mil-sim #OfficialEA #OfficialDICE
I miss ammo boxes + c4, infinite c4 and a place to hide the c4. It didn't feel OP then so what changed
they shoud have nerfed lis (infinit TV rockets are OP) and all the lock on wepon that take 0 skill c5 is the only gaged that takes skill
What? There’s a cooldown and her rockets hit like wet noodles
First?
Nah it's very hard for a engineer with RPG to take out a vehicle. They get a lot of time to react before you lay 3 RPGs on them and a AT granade. I think it was a terrible decision to remove 3 C5s.
F*** Dice for this change-things that make BF2042 great they take away; like removing EMP from drone and reducing C5 from 3 to 2. WTF?
sounds like a diva, wwahhh waaaahh is all i see princess
Play engineer for anti-tank, assault classes with extreme movement like wingsuits and grapple shouldn't be able to take out a tank so easily....
get to the point dude, talks 5 minutes before he tells
Solo'ing tanks ruins Battlefield and makes this game a joke for armor. BIG L. Bad video.
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0:25 GFY for being so stupid Ghost, how is it fair when the enemy player has 3 C4 and I have only 2 when playing different game modes like TDM? By the way, the extra "C" in "C5" is for 'container' because it's still "C4"...in a container. DUH! 😂
WAY TOO MANY EXPLOSIVES IN THE GAME. BEING A TANK DRIVER IS TERRIBLE REGARDLESS OF THE C5 SITUATION. TERRIBLE GAME
I think it is a good idea for 2 c4 in assault 🫡