Why are people telling me 'the arc just started', when I literally said that in the first 5 minutes of the video. Like are people so quick to defend this show that it prevents them from even listening to ANY form of criticism, even from someone who loves the brand as much as me? Please watch the entire video. Thanks as always.
even though things like forced plot convenience and no stakes are good criticisms, some of us probably feel like a slower pace with more depth at the beginning may hurt the story, and prefer they add more depth to the story later on. personally, i think it would be cool if granola's plot convenience with the dragon balls turned out to be someone's manipulation
@@duvaughnkelly6947 you r aljing shit bro who was the strongest vegeta was the strongest in Goku black before the tournament of power vegeta was the strongest an Goku just come from the back an surpass the prince of all saiyan kmt Goku fight the whole 31 episode without tired every singly one tired that's a Plat firm toyotara an toriyama hate vegeta bro
@@duvaughnkelly6947 bro the character is not a normal character he is all about revenge bro he willing to do anything to full he destiny come on bro you can't copair a warrior win a revenge Vegeta was all about renemge but he still keep his Pride the dude Granolah dont have any pride he willing to sell he soul just to get he revenge Just like scorpion the dude sell his sell
Remember when half of the Cell arc was spent on Cell actually TRYING to become the strongest in the universe by absorbing the androids, leading to tons of memorable fights (piccolo vs cell, vegeta and trunks vs cell, etc.) along the way? Yeah... Good times
True but it doesnt need to be played out. Weve seen the same thing happen in the buu saga and broly movie. Buu fuses and crap getting stronger along the way. Broly gets stronger just by fighting along the way. We need to see something new...a plot twist
@@imaginenation5131 literally all I said was that villains should have to TRY to become stronger. If you don't think there are a multitude of creative ways for a villain to try to become stronger, then you haven't watched enough good anime
Exactly but these fanboys aren't ready to hear this. Super has some lazy ass writing and people think it's good. The series far from where it use to be in terms of quality.
@@elieddy4277 I mean..... Isn't wishing it a creative thing to do? Jiren: just trained really hard.... So that's kinda boring, he had a great will to continue his training so I guess theres that?... Eh yeah got nothing better Frieza: he simply trained but nonetheless he tried, he kinda had to get his pride power since earlier he would have thought only less superior beings would need training so hey there's that Hit: he just made his primary technique better and added some more once... That failed against jiren but still. Kinda simply... So simply it's kinda funny he nor anybody else with good techniques did it Moro: used his magic ability to try to get stronger from the 2 strongest of the universe and planets, only reason he was strong was because of him sucking ki energy and etc, its still kinda unique atleast in my opinion, I'll be it kinda lame how at the end raw strength did beat it that being ultra instinct. Granola: used different kind of dragon balls to get stronger fully realising hell only have 3 years to life, and since then 6 months have passed. He definitely did another way of getting stronger, not getting some technique or just training or have some broken god ability or something. Sure its been done before but this is the second time... Literally nobody bat's that big of an eye of goku got stronger by his what fifth time skip yet were doing that by a anti villain who used a different way that we haven't seen since years
@@kamwaty ...did you literally forget all about the Goku Black arc??? Zamasu used the Dragon Balls to wish: A. To become immortal, and B. To take over Goku's body, giving Zamasu an instant power-up. And if we're talking about the Dragon Ball series as a whole, King Piccolo wished to revert to his younger, stronger body years before the villains you listed were even thought up. Plus, both the Dead Zone movie and the Lord Slug movie revolve around the main villain using the Dragon Balls to become stronger. And that's the thing: those are pretty much the only three options for wishing to become stronger. Either wish to revert to a stronger version of yourself, wish to become stronger in general, or wish to take over a stronger person's body. They haven't JUST done it before; they've literally explored all of the options already for wishing to become stronger. The only difference here is that Granolah had to accept a drawback, and we haven't even seen WHY this drawback is important yet or HOW it's used in the narrative, so we can't even know whether it's an interesting change yet. Now, moving onto your list... There's one obvious, glaring flaw: when I talk about "trying to become stronger", I obviously mean that I want them to SHOW that the villain becomes stronger. If they don't show you HOW the villain tried to become stronger, then it's essentially the same thing as an effortless power-up, just like wishing to become stronger. That's why so many people hated how Frieza attained his Golden form. Even if he did "try" to become stronger, they don't even show him trying, so it's like he effortlessly attained the transformation. Comparing Granolah wishing to become stronger "on camera" to training that we didn't even see isn't a fair comparison. When we say we want a villain to have to try to become stronger, we mean that we would have rather had the past few manga chapters SHOW him trying to get stronger, not JUST say that he tried to become stronger. That's why I used the example of Cell. If they're going to SHOW the villain getting stronger, then they might as well show them TRYING to get stronger.
No that isn’t the point bro. Listen.. the manga is monthly, that is a long time to wait for each chapter. People thought the Moro arc was dragged only because of the fact that the chapters were monthly releases. Toriyama doesn’t think like that I don’t think but I feel like Granola will have a proper backstory that we will get to know
I honestly dont see the bad about this arc, its great in my opinon so far. Its only the beginning, so to call it bad when there has only been 3 chapters is kinda ridiculous.
Honestly even though it's been a little contrived this manga is already shaping out better than the TOP and could still get better than the moro arc to me. It's not DBZ levels but compared to everything up until the TOP this is and the moro arc have so far been pretty big improvements Overall in my opinion.
Thats the problem though. They want us to care about granola and root for him when they have already made frieza really likable with him teaming up with goku and company in the tournament of power.. and even if they didnt make frieza likable, hes still a villain we love to hate and he has so much backstory that hes become a regular character in the dragon ball story.. There isnt much they could really say to make me care more for granola..
Wouldn't Granolah go under the category as a anti-hero? Or is it Anti-Villain? Either way, I totally understand where he's coming from. Dude's been traumatized lol
Not really. That's like saying you can't judge a tv show since it only on 2-3 episodes and the plot holes and bad character writing don't matter since it's "too soon" to judge. Pay attention to the arguments rather than responding with some baseless calims/response that aren't really a counter argument. Not an attack or anything, just a suggestion.
@@aaronthecreator6988 The only thing baseless is your comment. The overall story structure of a monthly shounen manga and a weekly television series with usually 30 minutes to an hour is not an accurate comparison. Television is not only a different form of visual media but also a faster form of media thus more of the story can be revealed along with character arcs and motivations in a shorter amount of time. A monthly manga on the other hand does not have that same ability, even a weekly manga is still limited by its page number which will always be shorter then a tv slot. Geekdom in this video as well as you are literally trying to create a problem when that “problem” hasn’t shown up yet. It’s too early for this take. If we were halfway through the arc then this would make more sense not at the literal start. How about you come up with an accurate rebuttal instead of relying on your ego.
@@aaronthecreator6988 Also, what about the holes in his criticism? He complained about the antagonists being able to cheat with the dragon balls, which the DB heroes would *NEVER* do, and that the new threat failed "The Hero's Journey." _What would be the equivalent of those in your hypothetical; scenario?_ Seriously, even ignoring what little sense having any enemy being a potential threat with this cheat *somehow meant* less stakes, this plot clearly will have Granolah lose because of his power being unearned, but the so-called "problem" is that antagonist did not earn his strength because being a little sympathetic meant that he had to follow "The *_Hero's_* Journey." *How would you represent **_that_** in your scenario where it is totally OK to judge something by 2-3 episodes?* (Not a rhetorical question, for I do not want to make assumptions on your scenario.)
I think you misunderstand Granolahs character. He is positioned to be the "baby face" of the arc, as you said, because he is a victim of Frieza planetary expansion of worlds. We are supposed to feel bad for Granolah, but as other youtubers have pointed out. Granolah is also impatient and naive. He doesn't realize the crimes the Heatas have committed to others. He doesn't realize that he is being used by the Heatas to get rid of the Earth's Saiyans. It's possible the Heatas will meet up with Frieza as allies. Also consider that the wish was not a bad wish because it worked for Granolah, he is a Cerealiean who have long lifespans, so if you condense that lifespan for power, it's not impossible to consider that Granolah has a mortal power level that exceeds Goku and Vegeta. Also like the Cerealiean Namek said, you can be the Strongest for today but what about tomorrow? It's actually tragic, he gave his remaining life for power that will likely be surpasssed by Goku or who knows even Frieza. Imagine how tragic that would be, and that is probably the fate of Granolah.
Agreed, especially on your point about the wish. Geekdom said that the wish to become stronger creates problems for future arcs, but I disagree with that claim. The only reason granola was able to make that wish is because his species has an abnormally high lifespan as the heeters pointed out, so other characters like Yamcha or Krillin would ever be able to make that wish because their lifespans are short. Even goku and vegeta wouldn't be able to make the wish.
@@jantheking7028 Correct and his power that he would have accumulated was based on the condition of his latent strength. For other characters as you pointed out, their lifespans alone, would not have made them the strongest. Also, we don't know much about the Cerealieans anyways, we know nothing about the eye or any other biology, who are we to say, that they can't be abnormally strong. Hell the Saiyans were sent to deal with them.
@@dark-xh7fs Yes Elec wants Granolah to be "iced" by them, but they also don't care if the Saiyan die either, remember the Saiyans would still scheme and foil Frieza and his armies plans, if trouble was caused.
#1 That assumes the anime will come back #2 you'll really need to put effort into stretching this one, we're almost certainly speeding towards "LOL BIG FIGHT XD" instead of having an adventure with more moving parts.
@@JakeTylenol doesn't make it super bad, either. Is it lazy to make granolah over Powered from the start? Yes. Is it bad? Not realu, its not like he break some rules in db universe. Just how many times you can come up with another lost saiyan, Ancient Evil or randomaly stronger alien?
@@dark-xh7fs I don't think its lazy that granola is strong at the start, its in line with other villains like frieza. When frieza was introduced, he was so strong that he basically had to nerf himself by not using his full power. And when buu was introuduced, he was basically the strongest in the show without having to really do anything to gain that power, he was just introduced as a strong character.
In regards to Vegeta, I noticed Beerus said that he has no limits to his power, since his mind is always on destruction. I would hope that learning Hakai in just one step of getting something close to boundless destructive power.
@@Jiron127 I understood that he wasn't being literal, since there are people in the multiverse that equal and surpass him and if he truly had limitless power he wouldn't worry about things like Zeno. I mean that this Hakai training might be the thing that really pushes Vegeta into that God tier of strength. Beerus is strong on a level that surpasses simply being able to punch hard, and even with all of their training it's clear that Beerus is in another dimension in terms of power. Hopefully, Vegeta learning about the destroyer mindset Beerus lives in puts him on the path to being able start exploring that level of power and he doesn't just learn Hakai on its own.
I feel like there’s more to haki then we think. Because beerus was talking about it like it was something big and new and then we found out everyone was like o it’s just hakai. Maybe vegeta could combine the spirit control and hakai to do some naruto shit. Like hakai clones or instant transmit other people at a distance into hakai lol. Or the obvious super sayian hakai mode.
He gotta fight Broly to let this "strongest Warrior will be born" and since Sayians get stronger while fighting its bound to happen. He might link with freiza then freiza lie and have Granola fight Broly them boom ...
I like this arc a lot so far. Granolah is not a warrior, he's obsessed with revenge. The fact that he did not find peace with an enemy who he believed was already dead until recently speaks to his rage. The memories of the Saiyans fucking his shit up is better backdrop than most villains. Frieza hates the Saiyans cause they beat him. Cell hated everyone just because. Buu just wanted to be free of control and was evil immemorial. Zamasu hates mortals cause their not Godly. Jiren didn't hate Saiyans. Moro was the same as Buu. My point is for once a villain has a good reason to want revenge. Power creep isn't a problem for me because the Z-Fighters gave up. Gohan wanted to be a Dad/Scientist. Future Trunks found love from a woman from his timeline. Piccolo is still strong and now there's more potential for him being impactful because of Namekian lore. Vegeta is right there. Krillin started a family. Only Yamcha and Tienshinhan have legitamate gripes but they were written out since Dragon Ball really.
@@HistoryandReviews Not really... Broly wasn't shown in the end of Z, but we can assume he is alive. Merus isn't in the end of Z either, but we can also assume he is alive. None of the angels are in the end of Z, but we can also assume they are alive. The same logic applies to Granola.
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 Yes... DBS takes place 5 years before the end of DBZ. And by "end of DBZ", I'm talking about those final 3 episodes where Goten was grownup and Pan was a 5 year old, not the end of the buu arc.
I see what you're saying, but forming an opinion this early feels like forming an opinion about the Namek arc based on how easily Vegeta beat Cui and Dodoria. Actually, that's a pretty example: He basically cheated to get his power, and he still gets stomped by Recoome and humiliated and killed by Frieza in some of the most iconic scenes in Dragon Ball.
Granolah clearly will be proven wrong for thinking his unearned power was enough, and "The Hero's Journey" does nothing to affect that. @@leultrainstinct406 I do not get how villains being able to cheat, which the protagonists would *NEVER do, removes all stakes.
@@leultrainstinct406 Not really a lot of his arguments are on point, and most people who I watch have the same critique. Tbh dbz fans don't take critique with the series too well unless its universally hated like "kefla" or "beerus still being hyped up to be the strongest".
that's a horrible comparison! Plus you cna form an opinion at any time you want because its an OPINION! I even SAID it was early multiple times. Did you listen to what i said?
Where is Vegeta’s growth? He now understands that he needs an instructor/teacher/master to learn a technique instead of getting a new transformation. Goku and Vegeta have always had their own pathways for power and growing.
No they haven’t. Vegeta always follows whatever Goku’s doing. If Goku gets super Sayain, Vegeta wants to get super Sayain, if Goku wants super Sayain God, Vegeta wants it to. Vegeta has only just decided to not chase Goku’s transformations and training regiment.
@@JakeTylenol Vegeta just now started gokus pathway when super started his first master is Whis then the yardrat and now Beerus he finally understood why Goku was always a step ahead
@@JakeTylenol thats cap vegeta wanted super saiyan before he even met goku and he thought he had become one before goku did. afterwards he made his own form before goku did. its no monkey see monkey do theyre the same race so a lot of their power ups are gonna be the same.
Bruh whis was his Master before Goku This path was his path and he left to go train with a weaker person because Goku joined, thats not progress. thats literally regression.
I love that you took a couple moments to talk about respect at the beginning of your video. Your message is so important these days, and not just for internet stuff, but real life as well. Thank you Geekdom! :)
Yeah. The entire first two chapter of this arc was basically dedicated to building up Granola's character and his motives and his relationships to others.
@@HistoryandReviews You keep spamming this everywhere and it keeps getting debunked... Just because we don't see Granola at the end of Z doesn't mean he loses or dies. We don't see Merus, Broly, the angels or the gods at the end of Z, but we still know that they are alive.
With Vegeta learning Hakai... We musn't forget that a more powerful form is unlockable through it, as we see with Toppo. They may be building towards that, rather than just having Vegeta destroy stuff.
It's gonna be pointless at the end of the day. See how they was hyping him up in the moro arc? At at the end of the day he took a big ass L. Ya vegeta fans really be hyping ya selfs up for disaster.
@@aaronthecreator6988 You should be telling that to the writers, not the fans. Im a vegeta fan and I know Toriyama is gonna make him take a L. Im excited to see his growth, and what his transformation is.
Granolah is basically Frieza from Resurrection of F. As soon as he gained new power, he will charge towards either Frieza or Goku and Vegeta and try to take revenge. But in the end, he will fail, because he had not trained long enough to maintain that power.
@@HistoryandReviews Stop spamming this everywhere, I already debunked it. Just because Granola wasn't shown in the end of Z means he lost or dies. Broly wasn't in the end of Z, but he can assume he is alive by then. Merus wasn't in the end of Z, but we can also assume that he is alive by then. Beerus and the other angels arent in the end of Z, but we know they are alive as well.
@@HistoryandReviews Not only you dont know what you are talking about, you also dont understand how the story works in its entirety. Might aswell quit watching DB since its so hard for you to understand. Like holy shit man
I like this Granolah arc so far. And i like the idea that he hastely gained power by using the dragon balls because it looks like Granolah is going to learn a lesson on what such great power can cause. This is a different approach to get to the end. Not the same old find the dragon balls. I'm an original DB fan since the toonami days when it first aired on TV in America. I've liked some of the DBS arcs equally as much as DB/DBZ.
This. Makes sense to me... he's skipped the important part (experience, overcoming adversity), and will ultimately pay. It's like wishing you had the greatest football skills, but you don't have the tactical experience. It will bring some interesting twists.
I really like this arc so far. I know it’s his opinion but geek is being over-critical lol. I personally care for granolah a lot. The dude had his entire race destroyed and he trained to get revenge just to find out they all died. So he endured decades of pent up anger, nightmares, and ptsd. Then the chance finally comes for him to fur fill his desire, and he sacrificed his life span. That’s all earned to me because it took a sacrifice. Not to mention, all the different parties than can play a role in this arc like the heeters, frieza’s army, goku vegeta and the z-fighters, the galactic patrol, 73 and the angel power, etc. and same these past 4 arcs have been some of the greatest in the franchise.
@@leultrainstinct406 Facts, the way granola's character has bee set up has already put him in the running for my favorite DB villains, right near Goku Black, Baby Vegeta and Frieza.
@@leultrainstinct406 You see what you did there and probably no one except for you and I will see how every arc/movie for the DBS series has had something to do with one another. Not only that, but the Super Broly movie hasn’t been drawn. That completely without a doubt makes Broly cannon and a person Goku has yet to call on. They’re teasing tf out of ideas with Xenoverse and Heroes. There’s a whole saiyan who flipped his lid when he saw SSG(not Broly) they could even possibly expand on the first SSG and who was the destroyer god of that time. All I want now is SSUI and beyond I guess 😇😂 SSGSSUI.
i don't think there's anything wrong with him using the dragonball for power besides the wish was him training for like 150 years but he didn't actually have to do anything lol
Facts. If there had been no consequences for that wish, then I would say it was bad. But there was consequences and granola had to give up his whole lifespan to achieve his power, which is why I like it.
@@diemaschineistrash3791 Not really. as horrendously bad as that was, this is honestly worse, since the "consequence" is irrelevant to us in the audience, we'll never fucking see the end of Z any time soon, so the 3 years is effectively meaningless. He just gets a big power boost to learn the same lesson Frieza learned and likewise I don't see any kind of "adventure" or anything resembling an actual saga coming from this. They'll really have to pull a rabbit out of the hat for this.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 "Well never the end of Z anytime soon", this isn't something you know for certain. The end of Z could very well be the next arc, and judging from Granola's specific lifespan (3 years is the exact time that would put us at the end of Z), I'm guessing the next arc WILL be the end of Z.
Facts. The most interesting thing is all the different parties in this arc: goku and vegeta, granolah, the heeters, frieza and his army, 73 and the angel power, possibly the GP, maybe even broly. There’s so much that can happen, geek is being over critical tbh
@@leultrainstinct406 yes I agree, not sure why he would be this pessimistic this early in the arc it’s a lot of potential here we still don’t know if granola is the main threat
I just want to say people always say oh this is new so this will be the best arc yet, take a look at the more arc and honestly it wasn't the best arc retrospectively. So be cautious and dont hype yourself up until it is over.
@@SuperSymbiote1 That is a question I've always had, and I'm happy that the granola arc answered that question and put stipulations on the wish to prevent future villains from doing it. If future villains attempt to make that wish, they will not be able to because their life is too short (unless they are someone like moro who can live for millions of years).
@@SuperSymbiote1 People have tried variations of this before, I think Geekdom just wasn't paying attention. King Piccolo did try it and he succeeded via making himself young again. Vegeta and Raditz also tried it via wanting to wish for immortality. Freeza attempted to wish for immortality. Zamasu DID wish for immortality. Granolah was able to wish for pure power only because his lifespan was long enough that he'd be that strong anyway. Most characters in the franchise are mortals with average mortal lifespans (normally capping out around 100) and others are Gods who don't care about things like the dragon balls.
I honestly don’t get the purpose of this vid man. It’s way too early in the arc for criticism. Remember, there’s supposed to be somewhat of a plot twist so dont make accusations yet bro.
It feels like Geekdom went into this arc with awful expectations because he misses the generic explosion slugfest of the anime and it shows in his attempts at criticism. One of his "criticisms" is legit "I DONT LIKE THAT GRANOLAH USED THE DRAGON BALLS, HE SHOULD HAVE JUST TRAINED LIKE A GENERIC HERO/VILLAIN! HOW CAN I CARE ABOUT HIM IF HE DOES THINGS THAT AREN'T JUST GENERIC TROPES?!?!?!". Like.... what?
@@Shoddragon im pretty sure his criticism isnt that they don't follow the old fashion troupe of training its that they decided to make granolah the strongest in the most cop out way possible lol. Even if they added the condition that his lifespan gets shortened there was no justifiable reason as to why he got as strong as goku who has mui at this point...especially given how it wasnt even the super dragon balls
I almost wish a whole Saga was dropped in parts (many chapters) or all at once. Releasing a chapter each month seems like a difficult way to tell a story.
@@Iam_wIll1 there’s nothing wrong with early impressions, but geek is just being over critical for no reason. Is only somewhat reasonable point was the dragon balls being easy to find(even tho fate was established to play a role in the beginning) but his other opinions made no sense.
Geekdom, my guy, Whis isn't saying that there are different forms of UI. He's saying that Goku is at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to MASTERY of the same form. For example: End of Cell arc Goku has better control of SSJ1 than he did when he first got it. It is the exact same form but just a different mastery of it. Same goes for UI.
There were never going to be high stakes since we know how Super leads into the end of Z... that said, I appreciate the world and storyline they’re developing. I really hope they follow EoZ up with a new story, which will then have higher stakes since we won’t know how it all ends. Between Zalama, Yamoshi, Uub, and the other universes, there is a lot to be excited for in the future, and I look forward to your videos covering those stories! I hope you’re flame is rekindled Geekdom! 🔥🔥
True there’s so much to look forward too. Not just in this arc but super as a whole. I think the stakes in the black arc and the top were high we never saw future trunks timeline or the other universes at the end of Z so we don’t know if they were going to survive or not. With arcs like Moro, even tho we knew they’d survive, it’s more about how they survived that made it unpredictable and exciting. Like nobody saw uub coming.
Before the wish, personally I thought he had a lot of potential. He was The Mandalorian in Dragon Ball Super. But now that he is the way he is.. Admittedly. They dropped the ball a bit for me. Thus far that is. Because things could change. There’s certainly other interesting things that’s keeping me invested. But more on to Granolah... I wanted to watch him go on more of a journey. I’d be fine with him getting the wish if more time was spent with him as Granolah The Bounty Hunter. Not Granolah The Strongest Warrior. He was such an interesting concept of a character because he opened up the door to seeing what else is out there in U7. That was and is INTERESTING! Seeing his home and how his life is was INTERESTING! I honestly was coming to truly like him thus far based on the direction he was headed. Watching him struggle and maybe fail a couple times over would’ve been great as a build up to when he learned of The Dragon Balls then perhaps went on a brief search for The DBs so he could then become the strongest. That would’ve been great. Thing is I’m a Dragon Ball head so Ofc I’m keeping up either way. But still. If anything the story isn’t over. I can’t draw a conclusion yet. Still too earlier. But. Wish they’d kept him as Granolah The Bounty Hunter a bit longer at the very least and not make him what he is now and so quickly. But time will tell
@@saudbintalib5701 if you paid attention to what I said you’ll see I’m clearly implying I will be patient and see how things go before drawing a conclusion.
@@GibboFrank very true. You won’t hear me disagree. Although admittedly I think a story can be told just fine without them. At least once. At least imo
@@RenSenpai7 agreed. So far right now I'm not that attached to granolah but I want to be but I wanted him to go on some journey where we spend a lot more time with him and this bounty hunter side of em.
Yup. Dude suffered from pent up anger, ptsd, and nightmares for decades. Now he finally got the chance to end all that suffering, and he sacrificed his life just to fur fill that desire. Idk how geekdom doesn’t care for him.
Since when has anyone being thirsty for revenge ever been interesting. I find "thirstiness" as sad and pathetic, which doesnt make as an interesting resolve. But as geekdom stated - different strokes for different folks, and I dont hate on another person's preference.
@@blackpanther6389 so what do you want him to do, just forget about it? Clearly he tried to move on, but the nightmares didn’t stop. Revenge is interesting, even tho it’s common. Just look at gon in hxh. His entire purpose in the CA arc was to get revenge, yet everyone always sucks off his character and transformation during it lol.
@@AbyssScythe how is any of that boring y’all don’t make any sense. He has a tragic backstory, a great motive for revenge, and on top of all that he’s a badass bounty hunter.
You are talking about granolah cheating which doesn’t make sense when u look at the future trunks arc u would see that both villains cheated to get to their goals so I think there is nothing wrong with that it makes it better in my opinion
How does cell absorbing android's 18 and 17 "cheating" when most of the plots explains why he needs it and is basically the first half of the arc. Thats not even cheating in the slightest, since he had to struggle an reach his goal and not make some dumb wish in chapter's. Your making a false equivalent.
@@aaronthecreator6988 I’m talking about the goku black one bro u see black took goku’s body and zamasu was immortal and without these wishes from the super dragon ball zamasu wouldn’t dare to go to future trunks’s Timeline see they cheated and they made it way more interesting
bruh I agree with the idea of having granolah immediately become the strongest mortal in universe 7 by having a simple wish instead of training or something was so lazy and uninteresting
I disagree with you. During the tournament of power, they hinted it was higher forms of UI. When he was fighting Jiren, somebody in the crowd said, "Goku is getting sharper and faster" while he was in MUI. I always thought MUI can improve. They definitely dropped hints. Jiren actually hit goku in MUI but since his MUI got better throughout the fight, jiren couldn't catch up. That's a huge hint!
Same, like there some minor things here and there, but im enjoying the chapters every month. Personally I think geekdom should wait longer to judge the arc, cause its still pretty new.
@@eddiecontreras8149 I agree bro. I feel social media has brought in alot of criticism and negativity because back in the day we used to enjoy everything so much coz there was not the discussion of who can point out more errors. Dragon Ball being the most famous anime with Pokémon, will obviously face criticism just like everything on top. But well social media has its advantages too! So let's enjoy and spread positivity in the community. :)
@@eddiecontreras8149 honestly it’s off to a great start. There really isn’t anything to criticize. This was entire video was 17 mins of nitpicking lmao. His only solid opinion outta the entire video was the dragon ball being easy to find. But even then, fate was established to play a role in the very beginning of the arc. Fate is supposed to make things convenient. And when you look at granolahs life as a whole, it didn’t just get handed to him. He had to suffer for decades of reoccurring nightmares, ptsd, and pent up anger. But overall, early opinions are fine but at least make them reasonable damn lol.
You say “we” but it’s not “we” . I personally don’t mind that he asked for that wish. Out of all the villains in DB history, why not have one take maximum advantage of what the dragon balls can do? I think Zamasu asking to switch bodies with Goku is more of a dumb wish, since he could’ve asked to switch bodies with Beerus, or anyone above.
Exactly. People are quick to rush in and defend this without listening to why someone may not like it SO FAR. Keywords "so far." You don't have to immediately like it because it hasn't been fully developed yet.
Same. I love this arc too and this is acutally the most interested I've been in dragon ball for a while. Geekdom said that this is worse than the first half of moro arc so far, but I heavily disagree. Although I did love the moro arc (even the ending with Uub), I think that this is better because of the abundance of new and interesting characters such as the heeters and granola. I'm curious about what the heeters will do to "ice" granola as they said they were gonna do in the first chapter of this arc. I'm curious about what granola will do once he meets goku and vegeta. There is so many things I'm curious to see in this arc so far, which is amazing because it is only 3 or 4 chapters so far. That is why I think this arc is interesting and I love it so far.
@@jantheking7028 right bruh this a sick ass arc what I like is how granola and the Namikia kinda relate the same with freizer destroy there planet also how. And I love that goku have no limit and vegeta kinda do have a limit but he grown. I mean I don’t really understand the dislike ,I respect it, but come on granola blast him with one mf finger 😂 😂 😂
@@diemaschineistrash3791 I thought this arc is okay at best so far. Unrelated: The D.I.E Maschine is an alright Wünder Weapon depending on the ammo you're using. Either you're to the weapon or the map, they're both alright.
I feel like they're positioning Granolah to be a 3rd "Super fighter" in some grander battle with the angels involved somehow. Z fighters were for DBZ, now they're building a Super fighter roster.
@@CJ-qv4sd I think he's talking about the most powerful heroes in super teaming up as a new team. Not the Z fighters. Who he's really forgetting is Brolly and Hit.
Yeah none of this was out of the blue. No one expected that Goku mastered UI was instantly fighting equally to Whis, and even if they did they dang sure didn't think he was going toe to toe with the Grand Priest. Both scenarios show a hierarchy with UI so having Whis say it explicitly was just a formality imo.
Really wish Ultra Instinct was kept as something that Goku couldn’t control until the end of the series and only happened occasionally, keeping it special and unique.
@@wowgek7 Exactly. It also would've devalued the moro arc, because the biggest takeaway from the moro arc was that goku learned MUI in the first place.
@@jantheking7028 even so, I just wish it wasn’t mastered to early. Like Geekdom says in this video, the power creep is getting ridiculous. I just liked it if it was more of a trump card and wasn’t treated like another form
@@jantheking7028 yeah also its annoying geekdom still eaperently forgot that destruction is more then just a technique with topo for example it was some kind of form and source of power as well
@@wowgek7 The hakai is a technique. We see Goku attempt it earlier in the manga against Zamasu. Also while it is destruction energy it isn’t necessarily a form but a type of energy. I feel like with Toppo they made it more into a form to show his power up (which does look badass)
Personally The whole " use the dragonballs to become the universes strongest" is such a dumb trope and it beggs the question why did everyone not just wish for that all the time. Not a fun arc.
All I've gathered so far is the whole "there's always someone stronger" and "shortcuts doesn't substitute for training". Granolah will fail due to his lack of control. Yes this has been done in DB before.....but that's what I see so far. It's too early to tell and no major interactions has happened yet. As for Goku and Vegeta im looking forward to their different paths to power. People forget what God of Destruction training has done for Toppo. Imagine purple Vegeta dripped out. Goku will just learn better UI.
its all part of the lack of being face to face people online naturaly lack the hesitation you have in real life conversation if you piss someone off in real life it can really ruin your day but online theres nothing to worry about
@@Geekdom101 there was no necessity to make this video! You should have kept your mouth shut until the arc ended! You just want to create controversies so that people comment on your videos more
It just creates a massive plothole. Granolah didn't seem particularly powerful before his wish and his race lives around 200 years. The namekians live between 200 to 500 years. No one thought to have Porunga shave a couple of decades to a strong warrior to give them SS2 levels of strength in a universe with world conquering space pirates (Nail would had floored Frieza); On U6 all they had to do was sacrifice one namekian and make him stronger than Jiren and MUI Goku, hell sacrifice 2 have an overwhelming victory.
is what I'm thinking is totally incoherent that anyone can reach the level of bills or jiren just to give a couple of years of life then what the hell is the use of training? if you can ask the Dragon Balls to make you stronger than anyone else without the need to waste time in training.
Love how he just explains three villains that basically had to do the same thing to get stronger and he likes that more than someone wishing to get stronger while he wants something “fresh” I guess he doesn’t want something different. Just a difference of the same thing
you: “that’s never been a problem for Dragonball in the past” me: *recalls years and years of bitching about filler, and the positive comments @ the start of Super about lack of filler 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
this whole video seems like a bunch of complaining for the sake of complaining. I don’t have any comments or thoughts about the current arc to add one way or the other, because it practically just started so I’ll be A bit patient before I draw conclusions?
My issue with Granolah’s desire to kill Frieza is that it will probably not be nearly as powerful as when Goku did it or as cool of a surprise as when Trunks did it. Like narratively speaking, Frieza dying doesn’t mean anything anymore to me anyway
kind of doubt he can kill frienza so he is the strongest...but thats only at the moment he made the wish nothing stops anybody else from quickly passing him with training or transformations also he likely lacks the skill needed to do anything as frieza is just a better fighter then him and as a few people have pointed out his wish will likely have made him only strongest by the tinyest bit like there power level plus 1
@@shockvalue5086 and correct me if im wrong but...is he not likely training?? he now knows beings like goku and vegita are stronger then him...plus broly if thats manga canon plus....since ultra instict is a buff goku cant really seem to use....would the wish have accounted for that as one could be weaker then that but still be the strongest mortal honestly have a theory its a loop hole like that which leads to granolas defeat
Also, the only time you guys are critical of the manga is whenever Geekdom voices his complaints. I guarantee you everybody’s gonna pretend like this arc isn’t shit as soon as the next manga chapter comes out.
Maybe Beerus is teaching Vegeta the Hakai first because it’s the intro to all the powers of the G.o.D. , like that was the only move Toppo used when he changed.
DBS has recycled a lot of previous ideas already: Body-snatching Corrupt alternate futures Evil villain that was sealed away A victim of Frieza/Saiyan rampage that now wants revenge
Lol bro you Gotta think tho, the DBverse itself is Fucking huge and Is Billions of years old on Top of that They’re are a lot of evil Factions and Evil mafuckas In General what’s the chances that they were all killed instead of just Captured or Imprisoned, and even then I Don’t think That’s A Reoccurring flaw, and Their are a Lot of Corrupt alternative futures Bro The main Continuity of dragon ball just haven’t explored them yet.
And the Last One is pretty much Inevitable my dude, the Saiyans and freeza have Concord hundreds of planets and Have killed atLEAST a million people chances is they’re are still ppl who want revenge against the ladder😂😂
''Happened to watch TV and watch the right channel'' C'mon man don't get sloppy too, everyone knows there's only one TV channel on planet Cereal, the Sugarians might seem sweet at glance but they're a dictatorial bunch.
I think its kind of like the ssj form from back in Z. I think he's mastered ui, but not perfected it, kinda like how when they were trying to attain ssj2 they perfected ssj1
As for your concerns about the wish, read this analysis. The problem with combining wishes of that magnitude, is that the Dragons have different levels of power, based on the following known facts and evidence: The strength of the Dragon Clan Guardian, the size of the balls, and the amount of them to collect. What all Dragons have in common, is a shared nexus of knowledge concerning events in the DB Universe. A wish of Immortality likely cannot be granted by the small dragons. It can only be granted by Super Shenron. Another issue is the context and specific way you ask of immortality. By that I mean, there are different kinds of immortality such as the case with Zamasu. You can have a immortal and undying body, or you can have a immortal spirit. Zamasu wished for a immortal and undying body, but his soul was not Immortal. Also consider that the fusion with Black did not preserve the body immortality since his fused body was half immortal. Going back to my point. If a Dragon were to grant Immortality following a person's power being condensed and multiplied by the length of their age, such as the case with Granola, You have to remember that their were conditions to the wish. If this wish was made to Super Shenron, well Super Shenron would give Granola the Immortality, but the effects of the previous wish with Toronbo would be nullified since Super Shenron is more powerful than Toronbo, and the condition was based on the length of ones life. There is evidence of what I mean, in GT. Ultimate Shenron(Red Dragon) was asked by Pilaf to wish GT Goku into a kid again, this wish was fufilled, however Because GT Goku is so powerful in GT especially after SSJ4, he actually breaks the wish by going into Adult form to handle the power of SSJ4. See the problem? The logic of Toronbos wish would not be consistent anymore.
@@vqsryan5397 The Moro arc slightly rectified that since Uub helped to defeat Moro, so when you take that into account, it's now more like Goku was just repaying a favor at the End of Z rather than just running off with some random kid
It's not interesting because you "think" you know what's going on. Gronola is just a bridge character to the real threat. It's not going to end with gronala. I feel like you just need to give it a for more chapters. The story hasn't even started yet tbh
yea this video is a good example of jumping the gun. Dude could have simply sit back and patiently waited a few months to see how things develop but he just "HAD" to let us all know how much he hates that DBS is actually doing something different.
I hope they bring back the emotion value to the series. I hope when granola see’s goku he realizes that it was Bardocks team that destroyed his people, creating value from an emotional perspective. Beerus also said something about Vegeta having to destroy his memories (which I equate to his pride), so it’d be great to see an internal battle with vegeta where his pride is manifested in the form of his father, so he couldn’t truly unlock destruction power until he destroyed the expectations he’s had of himself, because of his father.
See this is why I take the TotallyNotMark approach to DBS now judge the arc after its finished. Not the Geekdom101 approach where we judge early chapters. I did this same thing with the Moro arc and actually liked it once I read it all in one sitting.
On top of that, Geekdom's attempts at criticism in this video are just..... barely criticisms lmfao. "I DON'T LIKE GRANOLAH BECAUSE HE USED A PLOT ELEMENT THAT THE ENTIRE SERIES WAS BASED ON!" lmfao.
@@mechajay3358 I disagree in the sense of judging the entire arc the reason why is with classic dragon ball its weekly release schedule meant with chapters being shorter the story was structured so that every 14 pages ended with a cliff hanger. When you have a monthly release if a chapter is uneventful/boring/ or something bothers you about it then you have an entire month until the next release to be bothered by it. Whereas with weekly the weaker chapters wouldn’t hang around long in the zeitgeist of the fandom. This is why I probably from here on out will wait until the arc is near completion so I can put those potentially isolated instance chapters aside and enjoy the arc on its own merits for what it was & the story it is trying to get across & to also Judge the story arc as a whole not based off early or few/ specific chapters.
What point do all dragon ball fans come out of delusional land and realize this series sucks? I still keep up with this show because it’s my childhood but I’m no longer a wide eyed wet behind the ear kid. The writing in dragon ball is garbage always has been, so much wasted potential unexplored plot points, plot holes, little substance, rushed writing (in super)
Exactly. Mark made this same mistake in the moro arc, he judged it too early and then ended up loving it once he went to review it after it was finished.
@@PatsDynasty If you don't like, don't watch it. It's that simple. The only delusional one here is you, how delusional must you be to continue to keep up with a series that you think sucks? If that isn't the prime example of a delusional man, then I don't know what is.
I get what you’re saying about the story of db but I feel like this been an issue to the point where I just only expect it to only really be about fighting and nothing else deeper so that’s why this don’t really affect me at all. I kind of expect this kind of writing.
Something i've noticed with many of these older series is that the longer that they are on air, the worse they become but they still end up pulling in a LOT of money, so no matter how badly they do, it doesn't really matter that much.
That’s not the case for Dbs imo. These past 4 arcs have been some of the best in the franchise. Clearly money plays a role, but we’ve been getting quality things, unlike other series like Pokémon that are still running.
@@leultrainstinct406 hmm that's more a matter of opinion ig, i'm glad you're still enjoying the series. But personally, i just think that the pacing is very poor and the writing is kind of weird lol
I know this has nothing to do with this video but here are my favorite fights in the series ranked 1. Gohan vs Cell 2. Gogeta vs Broly 3. Vegeta vs Broly (DBS) 4. Frieza, Goku, and 17 vs Jiren
This arc is terrible, I’ve been a dragon ball fan for a while, even through the lazy writing and the predictable outcomes. But this is where I draw the line. This arc is all over the place and quite frankly who cares about granola? He’s such a shallow character that Toyotaro is forcing us to have a connection to. Not to mention this, “wishing to be the strongest” crap sucks and absolutely undermines the entire dragon ball series’s. You’re telling me granola and gas just has to wish to become the strongest while we had to watch years of Goku and his friends grinding to get stronger? Why is this Dragon powerful enough to make people the strongest in the universe but Monito is a straight chump
I feel like there are a lot of breadcrumbs being laid out in this arc. I love the Saiyan lore and am excited to see them cross because we may get more of that. I think the power piece just got that out of the way so the fight can happen and the story can be flushed out. Dragon ball super has a history of not picking up story lines they allude to though so I hope this is not one of those cases
Yup these first 4 chapters are just to lay out the foundation. That’s it. They introduced the world building and the new characters, all the different parties that can be involved, everything is just being set up. Also what story lines did super not pick up? Cuz the ones I’ve seen so far serve the same purpose of being laid-out breadcrumbs for future arcs.
@@leultrainstinct406 There is a few storylines Super didn't pick up. I remember in the ToP, there was a storyline about Frieza being a bad guy and betraying goku, but this never happened.
@@jantheking7028 Super is like the Cleveland Browns they got everyone hype up when a universe got destroy and that one angel was smiling.People were thinking that T.O.P could lead to a Angel Rebellion Arc.
@@leultrainstinct406 well the yamoshi piece I feel like wasn’t important. The frieza stuff can still pop up, the gohan storyline I don’t think is happening with his new form and all.
sorry geekdom cant get behind this one. its cool that you have your own opinion and i respect and i dont want to attack you or nothing but i just got to say i disagree with almost every point you make here. so far granolah to me has been the most interesting villain weve got in YEARS for dragonball. he really is like the protagonist of this arc, unlike moro or jiren or goku black who have just kind of been obstacles. im enjoying getting to know who granolah is as a character, what his motivations are, who the supporting characters in his life are. granolah really feels like a person to me, instead of some smug anime villain that just exists to smirk and wag his finger at goku and vegeta and say “nuh uh uh you boys have to get through me before you get the next power up.” granolah getting the dragonballs and making his wish is the inciting incident of the arc. without that there wouldnt be a story, the story is literally “some guy suddenly finds himself being the strongest and wants to get revenge.” i agree the way the dragonballs have been implemented here might be a little lazy and i can see how that could be unsatisfying for you but i think there is so much interest with granolah and what his relationship with the old namek guy is and how the cerialans are going to get involved. so much is being set up here and i cant wait to see how it plays out. maybe things will be disappointing and go downhill from here but this all just feels so new for dragonball and this just feels like a breath of fresh air to me. i agree that maybe granolah could just find another pair of dragonballs and wish for immortality but i think that that can be easily hand waved as “its too late to wish for immortality your body is going to just fall apart after 3 years no matter what” or the three year death thing is hard coded into the wish and getting immortality undoes the previous wish and he would no longer be the strongest or something. i think its so interesting to have this character who is willing to sacrifice so much to achieve his goals and im really excited to see where this story takes him. as for goku being too much stronger than anyone else i dont really care too much about that lol thats kind of how its always been aside from that little bit in the cell arc when trunks and vegeta were stronger than him. the gap between goku and his friends has always been huge, the rest of the gang have always just had to take down the jobber guys and goku has always just had to take down the next rival and maybe they become friends later. i can agree that the way goku learned to command ultra instinct at will has been a little unsatisfying but i like how he is training to master higher versions of the form. i dont want goku to just be done now that he has ultra instinct.
Dragon Ball Super is too predictable. In DBZ the stakes were high because it wasn't only Goku doing the heavyweight lifting. Now, he's shoved in the story at every possible moment, to the point where it gets stale and repetitive. DBZ mixed up the power scale all the time until the fight with Kid Buu. Imo, that's where the problem began.
hopefully it doesn't has a shit ending like the moro arc I don't care if vegeta gets the win like last time where I wanted vegeta to get the win I just hope it doesn't rush or do any stupid shit
@@Windows11Sucks I think Vegeta did get a win last arc honestly, a huge win tbf. However for what I'm assuming you're referring to I think he had a growth arc last arc that leads into this one that will give him the win and make this one much more satisfying. Last arc he healed from trauma that he caused others, this arc he's healing from trauma that was caused to him. This seems to be shaping out to be the burden lifters that will finally allow him use his full power and defeat/destroy the enemy of the arc and get a more lasting and satisfying "win".
@@Windows11Sucks interesting because as far as Super arc endings go, I’d say the Moro arc had the best one, seconded by the anime version of the Tournament of Power’s ending. I agree I was hoping Vegeta would get the W for a change but Goku’s story in the Moro arc was actually really strong.
you know what it might be geekdom? DB was a weekly manga before...now its monthly and takes longer just to get a chapter so that could be why Toriyama may feel that people might get uninterested.
Feels to soon to complain about the arc, and this comes off as whiny or burn out imo... Maybe dragonball just doesn't do it for you anymore..... at this point it is what it is
Fr lol. Really made a 17 minute video over the first few chapters of an arc lol. Sometimes his complaints are reasonable but everything in this video didn’t make any sense.
Facts. Just think about all the different parties that can play a role: goku, vegeta and the z-fighters, the heeters, granolah, frieza and his army, 73 and the angel power, maybe the galactic patrol or broly. I think oatmeal could even play a role. All these 4 chapters have done is lay out the foundation but geek is judging it like the arc is already over lmao
Loving this Arc because we don't know who is gonna make it to the top. We got Granola, OG73, the Heeters, Frieza, Goku and Vegeta. Might even be new alliances between these groups. Bonus if Cooler gets introduced
It's a shounen, so obviously goku and vegeta is probably gonna win. The thing that makes this arc is interesting is that I don't know who the villain will be. Will it be granola, freeza, the heeters, heck maybe even the dragon. So much possibilities with this arc, and that is why i like it.
@@HazzyFcrazy bro it wouldnt make sense for vegeta to train with whis anymore cuz goku vegeta are going their own seperate paths and it wouldnt make sense for him to train with whis anymore if anything it wouldve been dumb if he had decided to stick with whis
@@trainfors3257 Vegeta training with Whiss in the first place was his original idea Goku only found out about it 6 months later. If you choose a path and someone decides to follow you on that path changing paths Again isn’t A SMART thing. That was his path
Why are people telling me 'the arc just started', when I literally said that in the first 5 minutes of the video. Like are people so quick to defend this show that it prevents them from even listening to ANY form of criticism, even from someone who loves the brand as much as me? Please watch the entire video. Thanks as always.
even though things like forced plot convenience and no stakes are good criticisms, some of us probably feel like a slower pace with more depth at the beginning may hurt the story, and prefer they add more depth to the story later on. personally, i think it would be cool if granola's plot convenience with the dragon balls turned out to be someone's manipulation
Kmt so what Geekdom101 Goku unlocked ultra instinct with out anything anyone. An wins lottery bro you shitting on the manga evertime
@@duvaughnkelly6947 you r aljing shit bro who was the strongest vegeta was the strongest in Goku black before the tournament of power vegeta was the strongest an Goku just come from the back an surpass the prince of all saiyan kmt Goku fight the whole 31 episode without tired every singly one tired that's a Plat firm toyotara an toriyama hate vegeta bro
@@tomik2451 😂😂😂 You didn't even bother to find the correct profile picture before trying to create a doppleganger of my account.
@@duvaughnkelly6947 bro the character is not a normal character he is all about revenge bro he willing to do anything to full he destiny come on bro you can't copair a warrior win a revenge
Vegeta was all about renemge but he still keep his Pride the dude Granolah dont have any pride he willing to sell he soul just to get he revenge
Just like scorpion the dude sell his sell
Remember when half of the Cell arc was spent on Cell actually TRYING to become the strongest in the universe by absorbing the androids, leading to tons of memorable fights (piccolo vs cell, vegeta and trunks vs cell, etc.) along the way? Yeah... Good times
True but it doesnt need to be played out. Weve seen the same thing happen in the buu saga and broly movie. Buu fuses and crap getting stronger along the way. Broly gets stronger just by fighting along the way. We need to see something new...a plot twist
@@imaginenation5131 literally all I said was that villains should have to TRY to become stronger. If you don't think there are a multitude of creative ways for a villain to try to become stronger, then you haven't watched enough good anime
Exactly but these fanboys aren't ready to hear this. Super has some lazy ass writing and people think it's good. The series far from where it use to be in terms of quality.
@@elieddy4277 I mean..... Isn't wishing it a creative thing to do?
Jiren: just trained really hard.... So that's kinda boring, he had a great will to continue his training so I guess theres that?... Eh yeah got nothing better
Frieza: he simply trained but nonetheless he tried, he kinda had to get his pride power since earlier he would have thought only less superior beings would need training so hey there's that
Hit: he just made his primary technique better and added some more once... That failed against jiren but still. Kinda simply... So simply it's kinda funny he nor anybody else with good techniques did it
Moro: used his magic ability to try to get stronger from the 2 strongest of the universe and planets, only reason he was strong was because of him sucking ki energy and etc, its still kinda unique atleast in my opinion, I'll be it kinda lame how at the end raw strength did beat it that being ultra instinct.
Granola: used different kind of dragon balls to get stronger fully realising hell only have 3 years to life, and since then 6 months have passed.
He definitely did another way of getting stronger, not getting some technique or just training or have some broken god ability or something. Sure its been done before but this is the second time... Literally nobody bat's that big of an eye of goku got stronger by his what fifth time skip yet were doing that by a anti villain who used a different way that we haven't seen since years
@@kamwaty ...did you literally forget all about the Goku Black arc??? Zamasu used the Dragon Balls to wish:
A. To become immortal, and
B. To take over Goku's body, giving Zamasu an instant power-up.
And if we're talking about the Dragon Ball series as a whole, King Piccolo wished to revert to his younger, stronger body years before the villains you listed were even thought up. Plus, both the Dead Zone movie and the Lord Slug movie revolve around the main villain using the Dragon Balls to become stronger. And that's the thing: those are pretty much the only three options for wishing to become stronger. Either wish to revert to a stronger version of yourself, wish to become stronger in general, or wish to take over a stronger person's body. They haven't JUST done it before; they've literally explored all of the options already for wishing to become stronger. The only difference here is that Granolah had to accept a drawback, and we haven't even seen WHY this drawback is important yet or HOW it's used in the narrative, so we can't even know whether it's an interesting change yet. Now, moving onto your list... There's one obvious, glaring flaw: when I talk about "trying to become stronger", I obviously mean that I want them to SHOW that the villain becomes stronger. If they don't show you HOW the villain tried to become stronger, then it's essentially the same thing as an effortless power-up, just like wishing to become stronger. That's why so many people hated how Frieza attained his Golden form. Even if he did "try" to become stronger, they don't even show him trying, so it's like he effortlessly attained the transformation. Comparing Granolah wishing to become stronger "on camera" to training that we didn't even see isn't a fair comparison. When we say we want a villain to have to try to become stronger, we mean that we would have rather had the past few manga chapters SHOW him trying to get stronger, not JUST say that he tried to become stronger. That's why I used the example of Cell. If they're going to SHOW the villain getting stronger, then they might as well show them TRYING to get stronger.
“ I think toriyama thinks if we take forever to get to the fights people will lose interest” NAIL ON THE HEAD
No that isn’t the point bro. Listen.. the manga is monthly, that is a long time to wait for each chapter. People thought the Moro arc was dragged only because of the fact that the chapters were monthly releases. Toriyama doesn’t think like that I don’t think but I feel like Granola will have a proper backstory that we will get to know
@@animeflex8375 other monthly series don’t rush their stories lol
@@miamiyeah neither does dragon ball? Lool
@@ligerade3536 I never understood why people liked the buu saga, I liked it alot.
@@ligerade3536 I think it was hated for many reasons beyond that.
Never realized till now, Granolah looks like a chronotrigger character
Lmao yeah he looks like the main character
He really does though
Not sure if satire
@@lettsplay8124 should we tell them?
@@Arthemesia lol for some reason they also look like dragon quest characters 🤔
I still think it's a little too early to judge this arc so far. I'll wait until it's finished then I'll make my judgement.
I respect that. :)
Yep I agree
Yes that’s what I’m saying 🙄
I honestly dont see the bad about this arc, its great in my opinon so far. Its only the beginning, so to call it bad when there has only been 3 chapters is kinda ridiculous.
Honestly even though it's been a little contrived this manga is already shaping out better than the TOP and could still get better than the moro arc to me. It's not DBZ levels but compared to everything up until the TOP this is and the moro arc have so far been pretty big improvements Overall in my opinion.
The arc just started we barely have any chapters to truly judge Granola
Yes Exactly Thank You
@@HistoryandReviews lol
@@HistoryandReviews the name Gohan is literally rice. Freezer? Cell Come on these names puns have been here since the beginning
Thats the problem though. They want us to care about granola and root for him when they have already made frieza really likable with him teaming up with goku and company in the tournament of power.. and even if they didnt make frieza likable, hes still a villain we love to hate and he has so much backstory that hes become a regular character in the dragon ball story..
There isnt much they could really say to make me care more for granola..
Exactly
Wouldn't Granolah go under the category as a anti-hero? Or is it Anti-Villain? Either way, I totally understand where he's coming from. Dude's been traumatized lol
Vegeta is an Anti-Hero
Granolah is an angry Bounty Hunter.
@@SpammytheHedgehog vegeta isn’t an anti hero anymore
@@SpammytheHedgehog His motives puts him as an anti-hero though. Do you know what that word means?
He hasn’t done anything evil other than wanting to kill a dude who was already evil
“So you cheated, just like EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS SHOW...”
-YGOTAS
Literally what I was thinking.
"Good to know my Universal Rules were completely ineffectual."
That's what makes them villains you're not supposed to agree with what they do especially on how they get power
The Arc literally just started two chapters ago. This take is way too soon.
It also makes little sense.
Not really. That's like saying you can't judge a tv show since it only on 2-3 episodes and the plot holes and bad character writing don't matter since it's "too soon" to judge.
Pay attention to the arguments rather than responding with some baseless calims/response that aren't really a counter argument.
Not an attack or anything, just a suggestion.
@@aaronthecreator6988 The only thing baseless is your comment. The overall story structure of a monthly shounen manga and a weekly television series with usually 30 minutes to an hour is not an accurate comparison. Television is not only a different form of visual media but also a faster form of media thus more of the story can be revealed along with character arcs and motivations in a shorter amount of time. A monthly manga on the other hand does not have that same ability, even a weekly manga is still limited by its page number which will always be shorter then a tv slot. Geekdom in this video as well as you are literally trying to create a problem when that “problem” hasn’t shown up yet. It’s too early for this take. If we were halfway through the arc then this would make more sense not at the literal start. How about you come up with an accurate rebuttal instead of relying on your ego.
@@aaronthecreator6988
Also, what about the holes in his criticism? He complained about the antagonists being able to cheat with the dragon balls, which the DB heroes would *NEVER* do, and that the new threat failed "The Hero's Journey." _What would be the equivalent of those in your hypothetical; scenario?_ Seriously, even ignoring what little sense having any enemy being a potential threat with this cheat *somehow meant* less stakes, this plot clearly will have Granolah lose because of his power being unearned, but the so-called "problem" is that antagonist did not earn his strength because being a little sympathetic meant that he had to follow "The *_Hero's_* Journey." *How would you represent **_that_** in your scenario where it is totally OK to judge something by 2-3 episodes?* (Not a rhetorical question, for I do not want to make assumptions on your scenario.)
right!
I think you misunderstand Granolahs character. He is positioned to be the "baby face" of the arc, as you said, because he is a victim of Frieza planetary expansion of worlds. We are supposed to feel bad for Granolah, but as other youtubers have pointed out. Granolah is also impatient and naive. He doesn't realize the crimes the Heatas have committed to others. He doesn't realize that he is being used by the Heatas to get rid of the Earth's Saiyans. It's possible the Heatas will meet up with Frieza as allies.
Also consider that the wish was not a bad wish because it worked for Granolah, he is a Cerealiean who have long lifespans, so if you condense that lifespan for power, it's not impossible to consider that Granolah has a mortal power level that exceeds Goku and Vegeta.
Also like the Cerealiean Namek said, you can be the Strongest for today but what about tomorrow?
It's actually tragic, he gave his remaining life for power that will likely be surpasssed by Goku or who knows even Frieza.
Imagine how tragic that would be, and that is probably the fate of Granolah.
Agreed, especially on your point about the wish. Geekdom said that the wish to become stronger creates problems for future arcs, but I disagree with that claim. The only reason granola was able to make that wish is because his species has an abnormally high lifespan as the heeters pointed out, so other characters like Yamcha or Krillin would ever be able to make that wish because their lifespans are short. Even goku and vegeta wouldn't be able to make the wish.
@@jantheking7028 Correct and his power that he would have accumulated was based on the condition of his latent strength. For other characters as you pointed out, their lifespans alone, would not have made them the strongest.
Also, we don't know much about the Cerealieans anyways, we know nothing about the eye or any other biology, who are we to say, that they can't be abnormally strong. Hell the Saiyans were sent to deal with them.
One correction. He's not expect to get rid of saiyans. He's being played to die to them.
@@dark-xh7fs Yes Elec wants Granolah to be "iced" by them, but they also don't care if the Saiyan die either, remember the Saiyans would still scheme and foil Frieza and his armies plans, if trouble was caused.
Yes!!
What you fail to realize is that when the manga is animated, they will stretch out the story and add more details to it.
And what you fail to realize is we might not get it animated, they’ve been saying “it’s coming” since super ended and it’s always been wrong.
First off I doubt he doesn’t realize that.
Secondly So? That doesn’t make the story good now.
#1 That assumes the anime will come back
#2 you'll really need to put effort into stretching this one, we're almost certainly speeding towards "LOL BIG FIGHT XD" instead of having an adventure with more moving parts.
@@JakeTylenol doesn't make it super bad, either. Is it lazy to make granolah over Powered from the start? Yes. Is it bad? Not realu, its not like he break some rules in db universe. Just how many times you can come up with another lost saiyan, Ancient Evil or randomaly stronger alien?
@@dark-xh7fs I don't think its lazy that granola is strong at the start, its in line with other villains like frieza. When frieza was introduced, he was so strong that he basically had to nerf himself by not using his full power. And when buu was introuduced, he was basically the strongest in the show without having to really do anything to gain that power, he was just introduced as a strong character.
In regards to Vegeta, I noticed Beerus said that he has no limits to his power, since his mind is always on destruction. I would hope that learning Hakai in just one step of getting something close to boundless destructive power.
Inb4 Vegeta turns evil again for the 393839288 time
Not literally bro
@@Jiron127 I understood that he wasn't being literal, since there are people in the multiverse that equal and surpass him and if he truly had limitless power he wouldn't worry about things like Zeno. I mean that this Hakai training might be the thing that really pushes Vegeta into that God tier of strength. Beerus is strong on a level that surpasses simply being able to punch hard, and even with all of their training it's clear that Beerus is in another dimension in terms of power. Hopefully, Vegeta learning about the destroyer mindset Beerus lives in puts him on the path to being able start exploring that level of power and he doesn't just learn Hakai on its own.
@@traincore1955 vegeta went evil literally one time and every other time his is just incorporative.
I feel like there’s more to haki then we think. Because beerus was talking about it like it was something big and new and then we found out everyone was like o it’s just hakai. Maybe vegeta could combine the spirit control and hakai to do some naruto shit. Like hakai clones or instant transmit other people at a distance into hakai lol. Or the obvious super sayian hakai mode.
The Granolah arc just got me to look ahead at other possibilities.
It could be consequences for his decisions. It could have people seeking out thedragon balls even more. Now just any Joe blow can get a power up.
I’m looking ahead to all the possibilities in this arc. There’s a lot they can do it’s literally only been like 4 chapters lol.
@@leultrainstinct406 they really can. Especially if they pull further from Ryujin folklore.
He gotta fight Broly to let this "strongest Warrior will be born" and since Sayians get stronger while fighting its bound to happen. He might link with freiza then freiza lie and have Granola fight Broly them boom ...
The arc is great Geekdom is stupid with his bullcrap
I like this arc a lot so far. Granolah is not a warrior, he's obsessed with revenge. The fact that he did not find peace with an enemy who he believed was already dead until recently speaks to his rage.
The memories of the Saiyans fucking his shit up is better backdrop than most villains. Frieza hates the Saiyans cause they beat him. Cell hated everyone just because. Buu just wanted to be free of control and was evil immemorial. Zamasu hates mortals cause their not Godly. Jiren didn't hate Saiyans. Moro was the same as Buu. My point is for once a villain has a good reason to want revenge.
Power creep isn't a problem for me because the Z-Fighters gave up. Gohan wanted to be a Dad/Scientist. Future Trunks found love from a woman from his timeline. Piccolo is still strong and now there's more potential for him being impactful because of Namekian lore. Vegeta is right there. Krillin started a family. Only Yamcha and Tienshinhan have legitamate gripes but they were written out since Dragon Ball really.
@@HistoryandReviews Not really... Broly wasn't shown in the end of Z, but we can assume he is alive. Merus isn't in the end of Z either, but we can also assume he is alive. None of the angels are in the end of Z, but we can also assume they are alive. The same logic applies to Granola.
@@HistoryandReviews dumbass it doesnt follow the end dbz shit its gonna be different
@@HistoryandReviews wait , the end of z is after super ? O-o I am confused
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 Yes... DBS takes place 5 years before the end of DBZ. And by "end of DBZ", I'm talking about those final 3 episodes where Goten was grownup and Pan was a 5 year old, not the end of the buu arc.
@@dariusduonelavicius218 it won’t they won’t retcon manga material from toriyama himself
No issue, if you aren't a huge fan of this arc then that is fine. I like it, most like it, you don't. No biggy.
yep
Well nothing happened yet lol
Bruh Granola’s arc just started 😭 let Toyotaro do his thing, it’s looking real good so far
That’s what I’m saying🤦🏽♂️
U guys will take garbage served on a platter its ridiculous thats why they will continue to write lackluster arcs smh
Granola arc is bad but it can improve.
It’s trash
@@m.k.o7610 exactly
I see what you're saying, but forming an opinion this early feels like forming an opinion about the Namek arc based on how easily Vegeta beat Cui and Dodoria. Actually, that's a pretty example: He basically cheated to get his power, and he still gets stomped by Recoome and humiliated and killed by Frieza in some of the most iconic scenes in Dragon Ball.
Nothing wrong with early opinions, but his opinions are just unreasonable and overly-critical tbh.
Granolah clearly will be proven wrong for thinking his unearned power was enough, and "The Hero's Journey" does nothing to affect that.
@@leultrainstinct406
I do not get how villains being able to cheat, which the protagonists would *NEVER do, removes all stakes.
@@leultrainstinct406 Not really a lot of his arguments are on point, and most people who I watch have the same critique. Tbh dbz fans don't take critique with the series too well unless its universally hated like "kefla" or "beerus still being hyped up to be the strongest".
that's a horrible comparison! Plus you cna form an opinion at any time you want because its an OPINION! I even SAID it was early multiple times. Did you listen to what i said?
@@aaronthecreator6988
Which ones?
Where is Vegeta’s growth? He now understands that he needs an instructor/teacher/master to learn a technique instead of getting a new transformation. Goku and Vegeta have always had their own pathways for power and growing.
No they haven’t. Vegeta always follows whatever Goku’s doing. If Goku gets super Sayain, Vegeta wants to get super Sayain, if Goku wants super Sayain God, Vegeta wants it to.
Vegeta has only just decided to not chase Goku’s transformations and training regiment.
@@JakeTylenol Vegeta just now started gokus pathway when super started his first master is Whis then the yardrat and now Beerus he finally understood why Goku was always a step ahead
@@JakeTylenol thats cap vegeta wanted super saiyan before he even met goku and he thought he had become one before goku did. afterwards he made his own form before goku did. its no monkey see monkey do theyre the same race so a lot of their power ups are gonna be the same.
Took 3 decades
Bruh whis was his Master before Goku This path was his path and he left to go train with a weaker person because Goku joined, thats not progress. thats literally regression.
I love that you took a couple moments to talk about respect at the beginning of your video. Your message is so important these days, and not just for internet stuff, but real life as well. Thank you Geekdom! :)
This is an arc where things are happening fast, but nothing is happening at the same time. Once he begins his attack it may get better. Hopefully
Yeah. The entire first two chapter of this arc was basically dedicated to building up Granola's character and his motives and his relationships to others.
@@HistoryandReviews You keep spamming this everywhere and it keeps getting debunked... Just because we don't see Granola at the end of Z doesn't mean he loses or dies. We don't see Merus, Broly, the angels or the gods at the end of Z, but we still know that they are alive.
With Vegeta learning Hakai... We musn't forget that a more powerful form is unlockable through it, as we see with Toppo. They may be building towards that, rather than just having Vegeta destroy stuff.
Exactly I dunno why he’s forgetting this or choosing not to see that
That was the anime
No such thing exists in the manga (yet)
It's gonna be pointless at the end of the day. See how they was hyping him up in the moro arc? At at the end of the day he took a big ass L.
Ya vegeta fans really be hyping ya selfs up for disaster.
@@aaronthecreator6988 You should be telling that to the writers, not the fans. Im a vegeta fan and I know Toriyama is gonna make him take a L. Im excited to see his growth, and what his transformation is.
*Bulma having wrinkles*
Vegeta:"Hakai!"
Granolah is basically Frieza from Resurrection of F. As soon as he gained new power, he will charge towards either Frieza or Goku and Vegeta and try to take revenge. But in the end, he will fail, because he had not trained long enough to maintain that power.
how the wish was him getting all the power and training he would've got in his lifetime for 150 years that is not like frieza
The arc just fucked started....
@@animeflex8375 The arc already shows problems so who cares if it just started or started 7 years ago
@@bashamd96 And the problems are?
@@bashamd96 problems?
Granola isn’t bad, it’s delicious and high in fiber!!!
Good for your stool 😅
@@savagehiro1720 bruh moment
I'm guessing that they're going in a sort of "monkey's paw" direction where Granola is made to regret his wish
@@HistoryandReviews ok , than go watch another anime since you already know who is going to win
@@HistoryandReviews Stop spamming this everywhere, I already debunked it. Just because Granola wasn't shown in the end of Z means he lost or dies. Broly wasn't in the end of Z, but he can assume he is alive by then. Merus wasn't in the end of Z, but we can also assume that he is alive by then. Beerus and the other angels arent in the end of Z, but we know they are alive as well.
@@HistoryandReviews Something tells me you don't know what canon means... You must be a GT fan eh?
@@HistoryandReviews Not only you dont know what you are talking about, you also dont understand how the story works in its entirety. Might aswell quit watching DB since its so hard for you to understand. Like holy shit man
@@HistoryandReviews 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🖕🏽
I like this Granolah arc so far. And i like the idea that he hastely gained power by using the dragon balls because it looks like Granolah is going to learn a lesson on what such great power can cause. This is a different approach to get to the end. Not the same old find the dragon balls. I'm an original DB fan since the toonami days when it first aired on TV in America. I've liked some of the DBS arcs equally as much as DB/DBZ.
So far i dont like the arc, but lets see what they will make after making granolah obtain his powers so fast.
This. Makes sense to me... he's skipped the important part (experience, overcoming adversity), and will ultimately pay. It's like wishing you had the greatest football skills, but you don't have the tactical experience. It will bring some interesting twists.
I really like this arc so far. I know it’s his opinion but geek is being over-critical lol. I personally care for granolah a lot. The dude had his entire race destroyed and he trained to get revenge just to find out they all died. So he endured decades of pent up anger, nightmares, and ptsd. Then the chance finally comes for him to fur fill his desire, and he sacrificed his life span. That’s all earned to me because it took a sacrifice. Not to mention, all the different parties than can play a role in this arc like the heeters, frieza’s army, goku vegeta and the z-fighters, the galactic patrol, 73 and the angel power, etc. and same these past 4 arcs have been some of the greatest in the franchise.
@@leultrainstinct406 Facts, the way granola's character has bee set up has already put him in the running for my favorite DB villains, right near Goku Black, Baby Vegeta and Frieza.
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You see what you did there and probably no one except for you and I will see how every arc/movie for the DBS series has had something to do with one another. Not only that, but the Super Broly movie hasn’t been drawn. That completely without a doubt makes Broly cannon and a person Goku has yet to call on. They’re teasing tf out of ideas with Xenoverse and Heroes. There’s a whole saiyan who flipped his lid when he saw SSG(not Broly) they could even possibly expand on the first SSG and who was the destroyer god of that time. All I want now is SSUI and beyond I guess 😇😂 SSGSSUI.
i don't think there's anything wrong with him using the dragonball for power besides the wish was him training for like 150 years but he didn't actually have to do anything lol
This is far better than having frieza train for 4 months surpassing ssb goku lmao
Facts. If there had been no consequences for that wish, then I would say it was bad. But there was consequences and granola had to give up his whole lifespan to achieve his power, which is why I like it.
Yeah, its prety much elder kai unlock ability, but with actuall cost, also litteraly a timeskip.
@@diemaschineistrash3791 Not really.
as horrendously bad as that was, this is honestly worse, since the "consequence" is irrelevant to us in the audience, we'll never fucking see the end of Z any time soon, so the 3 years is effectively meaningless.
He just gets a big power boost to learn the same lesson Frieza learned and likewise I don't see any kind of "adventure" or anything resembling an actual saga coming from this.
They'll really have to pull a rabbit out of the hat for this.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 "Well never the end of Z anytime soon", this isn't something you know for certain. The end of Z could very well be the next arc, and judging from Granola's specific lifespan (3 years is the exact time that would put us at the end of Z), I'm guessing the next arc WILL be the end of Z.
The granola arc may be one of the best arcs when it’s said and done, let’s just see what happens
Facts. The most interesting thing is all the different parties in this arc: goku and vegeta, granolah, the heeters, frieza and his army, 73 and the angel power, possibly the GP, maybe even broly. There’s so much that can happen, geek is being over critical tbh
@@leultrainstinct406 yes I agree, not sure why he would be this pessimistic this early in the arc it’s a lot of potential here we still don’t know if granola is the main threat
@@Mobcityrecords100 Right. Especially because a lot of the things he is pessimistic about in this video is just nonsense.
I just want to say people always say oh this is new so this will be the best arc yet, take a look at the more arc and honestly it wasn't the best arc retrospectively. So be cautious and dont hype yourself up until it is over.
@@niveshrohan1829 Moro arc was indeed the best DBS arc retrospectively, as of right now at least.
I love Granolah's character and the wish he made, He just cut through all the BS.
Why wasn’t that tried before?
@@SuperSymbiote1 That is a question I've always had, and I'm happy that the granola arc answered that question and put stipulations on the wish to prevent future villains from doing it. If future villains attempt to make that wish, they will not be able to because their life is too short (unless they are someone like moro who can live for millions of years).
@@numbah1669 Then what’s stopping someone like Moro from doing so? It’s poor writing however you want to look at it
@@SuperSymbiote1 Because the people of Dragon ball aren't very wise, they may be smart and intelligent but not wise.
@@SuperSymbiote1 People have tried variations of this before, I think Geekdom just wasn't paying attention. King Piccolo did try it and he succeeded via making himself young again. Vegeta and Raditz also tried it via wanting to wish for immortality. Freeza attempted to wish for immortality. Zamasu DID wish for immortality. Granolah was able to wish for pure power only because his lifespan was long enough that he'd be that strong anyway.
Most characters in the franchise are mortals with average mortal lifespans (normally capping out around 100) and others are Gods who don't care about things like the dragon balls.
I honestly don’t get the purpose of this vid man. It’s way too early in the arc for criticism. Remember, there’s supposed to be somewhat of a plot twist so dont make accusations yet bro.
I'm loving this arc so far, but I guess this is just your opinion.
@@saudbintalib5701 it’s ok to judge what you’ve seen so far. And then reform your opinion later. You don’t need to wait.
@@saudbintalib5701 honestly I feel like it's been wayyy to convient for granolah tbh
He literally said at the beginning it was his opinion and it is okay to like it 😂
It feels like Geekdom went into this arc with awful expectations because he misses the generic explosion slugfest of the anime and it shows in his attempts at criticism. One of his "criticisms" is legit "I DONT LIKE THAT GRANOLAH USED THE DRAGON BALLS, HE SHOULD HAVE JUST TRAINED LIKE A GENERIC HERO/VILLAIN! HOW CAN I CARE ABOUT HIM IF HE DOES THINGS THAT AREN'T JUST GENERIC TROPES?!?!?!". Like.... what?
@@Shoddragon im pretty sure his criticism isnt that they don't follow the old fashion troupe of training its that they decided to make granolah the strongest in the most cop out way possible lol. Even if they added the condition that his lifespan gets shortened there was no justifiable reason as to why he got as strong as goku who has mui at this point...especially given how it wasnt even the super dragon balls
I almost wish a whole Saga was dropped in parts (many chapters) or all at once. Releasing a chapter each month seems like a difficult way to tell a story.
Doing Dragon Ball Super Manga As A Weekly Isn't Easy You Know
@@XJSPlays02 at least bi weekly. I'll take biweekly half length chapters tbh.
The arc just started...
And?
Well it’s off to a shitty start
@@Iam_wIll1 there’s nothing wrong with early impressions, but geek is just being over critical for no reason. Is only somewhat reasonable point was the dragon balls being easy to find(even tho fate was established to play a role in the beginning) but his other opinions made no sense.
@@beerussama8128 it really ain’t. It’s off to a good start.
RIP To DMX 💙💪🏾
Huh
@@eltaldino what’re you confused about?
@@heemcarchannel this is not about a crackhead is about dragon ball duh
@@eltaldino awe. Like I said RIP DMX.
@@eltaldino Dawg you're foul for saying that lol..
Geekdom, my guy, Whis isn't saying that there are different forms of UI. He's saying that Goku is at the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to MASTERY of the same form. For example: End of Cell arc Goku has better control of SSJ1 than he did when he first got it. It is the exact same form but just a different mastery of it. Same goes for UI.
that is so obvious that it is sad you have to explain that lol
There were never going to be high stakes since we know how Super leads into the end of Z... that said, I appreciate the world and storyline they’re developing. I really hope they follow EoZ up with a new story, which will then have higher stakes since we won’t know how it all ends.
Between Zalama, Yamoshi, Uub, and the other universes, there is a lot to be excited for in the future, and I look forward to your videos covering those stories! I hope you’re flame is rekindled Geekdom! 🔥🔥
True there’s so much to look forward too. Not just in this arc but super as a whole. I think the stakes in the black arc and the top were high we never saw future trunks timeline or the other universes at the end of Z so we don’t know if they were going to survive or not. With arcs like Moro, even tho we knew they’d survive, it’s more about how they survived that made it unpredictable and exciting. Like nobody saw uub coming.
Before the wish, personally I thought he had a lot of potential. He was The Mandalorian in Dragon Ball Super. But now that he is the way he is.. Admittedly. They dropped the ball a bit for me. Thus far that is. Because things could change. There’s certainly other interesting things that’s keeping me invested. But more on to Granolah... I wanted to watch him go on more of a journey. I’d be fine with him getting the wish if more time was spent with him as Granolah The Bounty Hunter. Not Granolah The Strongest Warrior. He was such an interesting concept of a character because he opened up the door to seeing what else is out there in U7. That was and is INTERESTING! Seeing his home and how his life is was INTERESTING! I honestly was coming to truly like him thus far based on the direction he was headed. Watching him struggle and maybe fail a couple times over would’ve been great as a build up to when he learned of The Dragon Balls then perhaps went on a brief search for The DBs so he could then become the strongest. That would’ve been great. Thing is I’m a Dragon Ball head so Ofc I’m keeping up either way. But still. If anything the story isn’t over. I can’t draw a conclusion yet. Still too earlier. But. Wish they’d kept him as Granolah The Bounty Hunter a bit longer at the very least and not make him what he is now and so quickly. But time will tell
@@saudbintalib5701 if you paid attention to what I said you’ll see I’m clearly implying I will be patient and see how things go before drawing a conclusion.
@@GibboFrank very true. You won’t hear me disagree. Although admittedly I think a story can be told just fine without them. At least once. At least imo
@@GibboFrank again. Not gonna hear me disagree. Only point I’m making is stories “could” be told without them. Not “should”. Make sense?
@@GibboFrank otherwise. Hope you’re doing well my friend. Stay safe and take care 🖤
@@RenSenpai7 agreed. So far right now I'm not that attached to granolah but I want to be but I wanted him to go on some journey where we spend a lot more time with him and this bounty hunter side of em.
Granolah is basically thirsty for revenge.
Yup. Dude suffered from pent up anger, ptsd, and nightmares for decades. Now he finally got the chance to end all that suffering, and he sacrificed his life just to fur fill that desire. Idk how geekdom doesn’t care for him.
Since when has anyone being thirsty for revenge ever been interesting. I find "thirstiness" as sad and pathetic, which doesnt make as an interesting resolve. But as geekdom stated - different strokes for different folks, and I dont hate on another person's preference.
@@leultrainstinct406 cause he’s a boring ass character nothing more
@@blackpanther6389 so what do you want him to do, just forget about it? Clearly he tried to move on, but the nightmares didn’t stop. Revenge is interesting, even tho it’s common. Just look at gon in hxh. His entire purpose in the CA arc was to get revenge, yet everyone always sucks off his character and transformation during it lol.
@@AbyssScythe how is any of that boring y’all don’t make any sense. He has a tragic backstory, a great motive for revenge, and on top of all that he’s a badass bounty hunter.
You are talking about granolah cheating which doesn’t make sense when u look at the future trunks arc u would see that both villains cheated to get to their goals so I think there is nothing wrong with that it makes it better in my opinion
How does cell absorbing android's 18 and 17 "cheating" when most of the plots explains why he needs it and is basically the first half of the arc. Thats not even cheating in the slightest, since he had to struggle an reach his goal and not make some dumb wish in chapter's. Your making a false equivalent.
@@aaronthecreator6988 I think he’s talking super...
@@aaronthecreator6988 I’m talking about the goku black one bro u see black took goku’s body and zamasu was immortal and without these wishes from the super dragon ball zamasu wouldn’t dare to go to future trunks’s Timeline see they cheated and they made it way more interesting
@@corrd3ll yeah
@@thecod2345 Zamasu is litteraly a similar cas compared to granola bruh let’s be real but nobody is getting angry over zamasu
bruh I agree with the idea of having granolah immediately become the strongest mortal in universe 7 by having a simple wish instead of training or something was so lazy and uninteresting
I disagree with you. During the tournament of power, they hinted it was higher forms of UI. When he was fighting Jiren, somebody in the crowd said, "Goku is getting sharper and faster" while he was in MUI. I always thought MUI can improve. They definitely dropped hints. Jiren actually hit goku in MUI but since his MUI got better throughout the fight, jiren couldn't catch up. That's a huge hint!
Whis tells Goku that he hasnt even scratched the surface of fully mastering UI
@@yoshi9538 right
I personally am loving the new characters and the arc so far!!🔥🔥🔥
Same, like there some minor things here and there, but im enjoying the chapters every month. Personally I think geekdom should wait longer to judge the arc, cause its still pretty new.
@@eddiecontreras8149 I agree bro. I feel social media has brought in alot of criticism and negativity because back in the day we used to enjoy everything so much coz there was not the discussion of who can point out more errors. Dragon Ball being the most famous anime with Pokémon, will obviously face criticism just like everything on top.
But well social media has its advantages too! So let's enjoy and spread positivity in the community. :)
@@ac30024 Couldn't have said it better.
@@eddiecontreras8149 honestly it’s off to a great start. There really isn’t anything to criticize. This was entire video was 17 mins of nitpicking lmao. His only solid opinion outta the entire video was the dragon ball being easy to find. But even then, fate was established to play a role in the very beginning of the arc. Fate is supposed to make things convenient. And when you look at granolahs life as a whole, it didn’t just get handed to him. He had to suffer for decades of reoccurring nightmares, ptsd, and pent up anger. But overall, early opinions are fine but at least make them reasonable damn lol.
@@leultrainstinct406 I agree with u brother.
You say “we” but it’s not “we” . I personally don’t mind that he asked for that wish. Out of all the villains in DB history, why not have one take maximum advantage of what the dragon balls can do? I think Zamasu asking to switch bodies with Goku is more of a dumb wish, since he could’ve asked to switch bodies with Beerus, or anyone above.
It’s ok to not like what’s happened so far as well. You don’t need the entire arc to judge what you’ve seen thus far.
Exactly. People are quick to rush in and defend this without listening to why someone may not like it SO FAR. Keywords "so far."
You don't have to immediately like it because it hasn't been fully developed yet.
Really??? I mf love this arc the build up is perfect and I know the fight seen going to be even better
Same but it’s his opinion
Same. I love this arc too and this is acutally the most interested I've been in dragon ball for a while. Geekdom said that this is worse than the first half of moro arc so far, but I heavily disagree. Although I did love the moro arc (even the ending with Uub), I think that this is better because of the abundance of new and interesting characters such as the heeters and granola. I'm curious about what the heeters will do to "ice" granola as they said they were gonna do in the first chapter of this arc. I'm curious about what granola will do once he meets goku and vegeta. There is so many things I'm curious to see in this arc so far, which is amazing because it is only 3 or 4 chapters so far. That is why I think this arc is interesting and I love it so far.
@@jantheking7028 bro this geekdom gettin on my nerves lmfao, atleast hes real bout it
@@jantheking7028 right bruh this a sick ass arc what I like is how granola and the Namikia kinda relate the same with freizer destroy there planet also how. And I love that goku have no limit and vegeta kinda do have a limit but he grown. I mean I don’t really understand the dislike ,I respect it, but come on granola blast him with one mf finger 😂 😂 😂
@@diemaschineistrash3791 I thought this arc is okay at best so far.
Unrelated: The D.I.E Maschine is an alright Wünder Weapon depending on the ammo you're using.
Either you're to the weapon or the map, they're both alright.
I feel like they're positioning Granolah to be a 3rd "Super fighter" in some grander battle with the angels involved somehow. Z fighters were for DBZ, now they're building a Super fighter roster.
The Super roster consists of U6 saiyans, Merus, Jiren, and Goku and Vegeta. Also beerus and whis.
@@jantheking7028
Jiren and the U6 Saiyans are not part of the
Dragon Team
Your forgetting Piccolo, Gohan, the Androids, etc
@@CJ-qv4sd I think he's talking about the most powerful heroes in super teaming up as a new team. Not the Z fighters.
Who he's really forgetting is Brolly and Hit.
@@777sn2
Characters from other universes aren’t z fighters that’s just fans imagination 😂😂😂
It was no surprise to me about a higher level of UI, cause we already knew Whis, Valdos and the Grand Priest were on a higher level of UI.
Yeah none of this was out of the blue. No one expected that Goku mastered UI was instantly fighting equally to Whis, and even if they did they dang sure didn't think he was going toe to toe with the Grand Priest. Both scenarios show a hierarchy with UI so having Whis say it explicitly was just a formality imo.
@@bigchillin4216 Right.
I think it’s too early to judge granolah at this point in the story...
It's not about the judging, it's about the plotholes, due to lack of backstory etc, also called lazy writing.
He literally says: “Things may change later this is just how I feel about it now.”
@@obitokotito henchmen
@@VISC3RA henchmen
Really wish Ultra Instinct was kept as something that Goku couldn’t control until the end of the series and only happened occasionally, keeping it special and unique.
the problem with that is that in that case the series would be predictable goku is about to die ui activates and he wins
@@wowgek7 Exactly. It also would've devalued the moro arc, because the biggest takeaway from the moro arc was that goku learned MUI in the first place.
@@jantheking7028 even so, I just wish it wasn’t mastered to early. Like Geekdom says in this video, the power creep is getting ridiculous. I just liked it if it was more of a trump card and wasn’t treated like another form
@@jantheking7028 yeah also its annoying geekdom still eaperently forgot that destruction is more then just a technique with topo for example it was some kind of form and source of power as well
@@wowgek7 The hakai is a technique. We see Goku attempt it earlier in the manga against Zamasu. Also while it is destruction energy it isn’t necessarily a form but a type of energy. I feel like with Toppo they made it more into a form to show his power up (which does look badass)
Personally The whole " use the dragonballs to become the universes strongest" is such a dumb trope and it beggs the question why did everyone not just wish for that all the time. Not a fun arc.
That's how strong Granola would of gotten thru out his life anyway
the new arc barely started this year and your already complaining? This guy simply uploads his content just for uploads.. nothing profound.
Don't watch his content then
Big Facts
youre a mediocre if you like this arc
This story is basically about selling your soul for power if you really think about it..
A Faustian bargain
All I've gathered so far is the whole "there's always someone stronger" and "shortcuts doesn't substitute for training". Granolah will fail due to his lack of control. Yes this has been done in DB before.....but that's what I see so far. It's too early to tell and no major interactions has happened yet.
As for Goku and Vegeta im looking forward to their different paths to power. People forget what God of Destruction training has done for Toppo. Imagine purple Vegeta dripped out. Goku will just learn better UI.
I wish Dragon Ball Super Manga was weekly
That would be cool, but the art would suffer as a result
Dude No
@@FSMassy we still got beautiful pieces of art in original dragon ball manga run
@@shockvalue5086 true, but could toyotaro be as fast as toriyama
@@FSMassy who knows
I agree with the comments on the internet society. People are way too damn sensitive and defensive.
its all part of the lack of being face to face
people online naturaly lack the hesitation you have in real life conversation
if you piss someone off in real life it can really ruin your day
but online theres nothing to worry about
and a lot of the comments here prove me right
@@Geekdom101 there was no necessity to make this video! You should have kept your mouth shut until the arc ended! You just want to create controversies so that people comment on your videos more
@@k.agarwal545 You can judge things as it goes along. Stop fanboying and be neutral.
It just creates a massive plothole. Granolah didn't seem particularly powerful before his wish and his race lives around 200 years. The namekians live between 200 to 500 years. No one thought to have Porunga shave a couple of decades to a strong warrior to give them SS2 levels of strength in a universe with world conquering space pirates (Nail would had floored Frieza); On U6 all they had to do was sacrifice one namekian and make him stronger than Jiren and MUI Goku, hell sacrifice 2 have an overwhelming victory.
"but noooooo only toronbo can do that, because reasons!" is presumably the (trash) counterargument
is what I'm thinking is totally incoherent that anyone can reach the level of bills or jiren just to give a couple of years of life then what the hell is the use of training? if you can ask the Dragon Balls to make you stronger than anyone else without the need to waste time in training.
Love how he just explains three villains that basically had to do the same thing to get stronger and he likes that more than someone wishing to get stronger while he wants something “fresh” I guess he doesn’t want something different. Just a difference of the same thing
I was literally just about to say the same thing! Thank you brother! Geekdom has lost his mind! I think i should stop seeing his videos
@@k.agarwal545 L
you: “that’s never been a problem for Dragonball in the past”
me: *recalls years and years of bitching about filler, and the positive comments @ the start of Super about lack of filler
🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
this whole video seems like a bunch of complaining for the sake of complaining. I don’t have any comments or thoughts about the current arc to add one way or the other, because it practically just started so I’ll be A bit patient before I draw conclusions?
“going to be a Constant, neverending power Chase”. - lol welcome to Dragonball dude wtf?
Honestly, Granolah is so smart. Whenever someone wishes for something it’s not power. But granolah did the right thing. He wished for power
My issue with Granolah’s desire to kill Frieza is that it will probably not be nearly as powerful as when Goku did it or as cool of a surprise as when Trunks did it. Like narratively speaking, Frieza dying doesn’t mean anything anymore to me anyway
kind of doubt he can kill frienza
so he is the strongest...but thats only at the moment he made the wish
nothing stops anybody else from quickly passing him with training or transformations
also he likely lacks the skill needed to do anything as frieza is just a better fighter then him
and as a few people have pointed out
his wish will likely have made him only strongest by the tinyest bit like there power level plus 1
@@scottgrasser9475 frieza isn’t even omen level he doesn’t train he will probably die
Idk I’m with you because I know in the end nothing is at stake.
@@shockvalue5086 and correct me if im wrong but...is he not likely training??
he now knows beings like goku and vegita are stronger then him...plus broly if thats manga canon
plus....since ultra instict is a buff goku cant really seem to use....would the wish have accounted for that as one could be weaker then that but still be the strongest mortal
honestly have a theory its a loop hole like that which leads to granolas defeat
@@scottgrasser9475 goku mastered ui
Also, the only time you guys are critical of the manga is whenever Geekdom voices his complaints. I guarantee you everybody’s gonna pretend like this arc isn’t shit as soon as the next manga chapter comes out.
Maybe Beerus is teaching Vegeta the Hakai first because it’s the intro to all the powers of the G.o.D. , like that was the only move Toppo used when he changed.
We just never seen a hakai user vs an ultra instinct user.
we heard about it though
@@HazzyFcrazy When did we hear about it
@@jantheking7028 when beerus say that Whiss is far stronger than him and when we find out Whiss trains Beerus
Now that geekdom doesn’t like the granola arc. The ending is going to be fucking fantastic! Lol
He literally says: “Things may change later this is just how I feel about it now.”
@@obitokotito yeah no shit he said that. Lmao
@@777sn2 how do you know he is going to kill freeze?
@@777sn2 no I just said it cause normally how we feel about something might change at the end.
@@777sn2 I hope so. Frieza can’t become one of the good guys.
DBS has recycled a lot of previous ideas already:
Body-snatching
Corrupt alternate futures
Evil villain that was sealed away
A victim of Frieza/Saiyan rampage that now wants revenge
Lol bro you Gotta think tho, the DBverse itself is Fucking huge and Is Billions of years old on Top of that They’re are a lot of evil Factions and Evil mafuckas In General what’s the chances that they were all killed instead of just Captured or Imprisoned, and even then I Don’t think That’s A Reoccurring flaw, and Their are a Lot of Corrupt alternative futures Bro The main Continuity of dragon ball just haven’t explored them yet.
And the Last One is pretty much Inevitable my dude, the Saiyans and freeza have Concord hundreds of planets and Have killed atLEAST a million people chances is they’re are still ppl who want revenge against the ladder😂😂
Its funny how people are viewing this arc, because they said it was going to be a huge fan service arc. Lets see where it goes.
''Happened to watch TV and watch the right channel''
C'mon man don't get sloppy too, everyone knows there's only one TV channel on planet Cereal, the Sugarians might seem sweet at glance but they're a dictatorial bunch.
I still feel like Goku has not mastered ui but he now has access to the omen sign and the complete version of ui
I think its kind of like the ssj form from back in Z. I think he's mastered ui, but not perfected it, kinda like how when they were trying to attain ssj2 they perfected ssj1
The fact the granolah found the dragon balls so easy and became the strongest from a wish. It’s just lazy writing honestly, no effort
As for your concerns about the wish, read this analysis.
The problem with combining wishes of that magnitude, is that the Dragons have different levels of power, based on the following known facts and evidence:
The strength of the Dragon Clan Guardian, the size of the balls, and the amount of them to collect.
What all Dragons have in common, is a shared nexus of knowledge concerning events in the DB Universe.
A wish of Immortality likely cannot be granted by the small dragons. It can only be granted by Super Shenron.
Another issue is the context and specific way you ask of immortality.
By that I mean, there are different kinds of immortality such as the case with Zamasu.
You can have a immortal and undying body, or you can have a immortal spirit.
Zamasu wished for a immortal and undying body, but his soul was not Immortal.
Also consider that the fusion with Black did not preserve the body immortality since his fused body was half immortal.
Going back to my point.
If a Dragon were to grant Immortality following a person's power being condensed and multiplied by the length of their age, such as the case with Granola,
You have to remember that their were conditions to the wish. If this wish was made to Super Shenron, well Super Shenron would give Granola the Immortality, but the effects of the previous wish with Toronbo would be nullified since Super Shenron is more powerful than Toronbo, and the condition was based on the length of ones life.
There is evidence of what I mean, in GT. Ultimate Shenron(Red Dragon) was asked by Pilaf to wish GT Goku into a kid again, this wish was fufilled, however Because GT Goku is so powerful in GT especially after SSJ4, he actually breaks the wish by going into Adult form to handle the power of SSJ4.
See the problem?
The logic of Toronbos wish would not be consistent anymore.
Hopefully the eventual anime can fix the issues and please for the love of Zeno get pass the End of Z!
End of Z never felt that great imo because yanno “let’s go off with a kid who I just met and leave all of my family members and friends behind”
@@vqsryan5397 The Moro arc slightly rectified that since Uub helped to defeat Moro, so when you take that into account, it's now more like Goku was just repaying a favor at the End of Z rather than just running off with some random kid
It's not interesting because you "think" you know what's going on. Gronola is just a bridge character to the real threat. It's not going to end with gronala. I feel like you just need to give it a for more chapters. The story hasn't even started yet tbh
yea this video is a good example of jumping the gun. Dude could have simply sit back and patiently waited a few months to see how things develop but he just "HAD" to let us all know how much he hates that DBS is actually doing something different.
Everyone was so excited at the beginning of this arc. I’m sure it’ll be fine
I hope they bring back the emotion value to the series. I hope when granola see’s goku he realizes that it was Bardocks team that destroyed his people, creating value from an emotional perspective. Beerus also said something about Vegeta having to destroy his memories (which I equate to his pride), so it’d be great to see an internal battle with vegeta where his pride is manifested in the form of his father, so he couldn’t truly unlock destruction power until he destroyed the expectations he’s had of himself, because of his father.
I really don't think Granola is going to be the main villian. Just like how we thought 17 and 18 were the villians until Cell popped up.
See this is why I take the TotallyNotMark approach to DBS now judge the arc after its finished. Not the Geekdom101 approach where we judge early chapters. I did this same thing with the Moro arc and actually liked it once I read it all in one sitting.
On top of that, Geekdom's attempts at criticism in this video are just..... barely criticisms lmfao. "I DON'T LIKE GRANOLAH BECAUSE HE USED A PLOT ELEMENT THAT THE ENTIRE SERIES WAS BASED ON!" lmfao.
@@mechajay3358 I disagree in the sense of judging the entire arc the reason why is with classic dragon ball its weekly release schedule meant with chapters being shorter the story was structured so that every 14 pages ended with a cliff hanger. When you have a monthly release if a chapter is uneventful/boring/ or something bothers you about it then you have an entire month until the next release to be bothered by it. Whereas with weekly the weaker chapters wouldn’t hang around long in the zeitgeist of the fandom. This is why I probably from here on out will wait until the arc is near completion so I can put those potentially isolated instance chapters aside and enjoy the arc on its own merits for what it was & the story it is trying to get across & to also Judge the story arc as a whole not based off early or few/ specific chapters.
What point do all dragon ball fans come out of delusional land and realize this series sucks? I still keep up with this show because it’s my childhood but I’m no longer a wide eyed wet behind the ear kid. The writing in dragon ball is garbage always has been, so much wasted potential unexplored plot points, plot holes, little substance, rushed writing (in super)
Exactly. Mark made this same mistake in the moro arc, he judged it too early and then ended up loving it once he went to review it after it was finished.
@@PatsDynasty If you don't like, don't watch it. It's that simple. The only delusional one here is you, how delusional must you be to continue to keep up with a series that you think sucks? If that isn't the prime example of a delusional man, then I don't know what is.
I get what you’re saying about the story of db but I feel like this been an issue to the point where I just only expect it to only really be about fighting and nothing else deeper so that’s why this don’t really affect me at all. I kind of expect this kind of writing.
I don't think it's lazy. I thought it was great. I'm sorry Geek but I'm eatin this shit up 😁
Yeah i love this arc!
prob that's why toriyama shortens the writing and plot cause typical db fan only cares about the fighting
Something i've noticed with many of these older series is that the longer that they are on air, the worse they become but they still end up pulling in a LOT of money, so no matter how badly they do, it doesn't really matter that much.
That’s not the case for Dbs imo. These past 4 arcs have been some of the best in the franchise. Clearly money plays a role, but we’ve been getting quality things, unlike other series like Pokémon that are still running.
@@leultrainstinct406 hmm that's more a matter of opinion ig, i'm glad you're still enjoying the series. But personally, i just think that the pacing is very poor and the writing is kind of weird lol
I know this has nothing to do with this video but here are my favorite fights in the series ranked
1. Gohan vs Cell
2. Gogeta vs Broly
3. Vegeta vs Broly (DBS)
4. Frieza, Goku, and 17 vs Jiren
This arc is terrible, I’ve been a dragon ball fan for a while, even through the lazy writing and the predictable outcomes. But this is where I draw the line. This arc is all over the place and quite frankly who cares about granola? He’s such a shallow character that Toyotaro is forcing us to have a connection to. Not to mention this, “wishing to be the strongest” crap sucks and absolutely undermines the entire dragon ball series’s. You’re telling me granola and gas just has to wish to become the strongest while we had to watch years of Goku and his friends grinding to get stronger? Why is this Dragon powerful enough to make people the strongest in the universe but Monito is a straight chump
I get it, but let’s see how it all pans out.
~_~
I feel like there are a lot of breadcrumbs being laid out in this arc. I love the Saiyan lore and am excited to see them cross because we may get more of that. I think the power piece just got that out of the way so the fight can happen and the story can be flushed out. Dragon ball super has a history of not picking up story lines they allude to though so I hope this is not one of those cases
Yup these first 4 chapters are just to lay out the foundation. That’s it. They introduced the world building and the new characters, all the different parties that can be involved, everything is just being set up. Also what story lines did super not pick up? Cuz the ones I’ve seen so far serve the same purpose of being laid-out breadcrumbs for future arcs.
@@leultrainstinct406 There is a few storylines Super didn't pick up. I remember in the ToP, there was a storyline about Frieza being a bad guy and betraying goku, but this never happened.
@@jantheking7028 Super is like the Cleveland Browns they got everyone hype up when a universe got destroy and that one angel was smiling.People were thinking that T.O.P could lead to a Angel Rebellion Arc.
@@leultrainstinct406 well the yamoshi piece I feel like wasn’t important. The frieza stuff can still pop up, the gohan storyline I don’t think is happening with his new form and all.
sorry geekdom cant get behind this one. its cool that you have your own opinion and i respect and i dont want to attack you or nothing but i just got to say i disagree with almost every point you make here.
so far granolah to me has been the most interesting villain weve got in YEARS for dragonball. he really is like the protagonist of this arc, unlike moro or jiren or goku black who have just kind of been obstacles. im enjoying getting to know who granolah is as a character, what his motivations are, who the supporting characters in his life are. granolah really feels like a person to me, instead of some smug anime villain that just exists to smirk and wag his finger at goku and vegeta and say “nuh uh uh you boys have to get through me before you get the next power up.”
granolah getting the dragonballs and making his wish is the inciting incident of the arc. without that there wouldnt be a story, the story is literally “some guy suddenly finds himself being the strongest and wants to get revenge.” i agree the way the dragonballs have been implemented here might be a little lazy and i can see how that could be unsatisfying for you but i think there is so much interest with granolah and what his relationship with the old namek guy is and how the cerialans are going to get involved. so much is being set up here and i cant wait to see how it plays out. maybe things will be disappointing and go downhill from here but this all just feels so new for dragonball and this just feels like a breath of fresh air to me.
i agree that maybe granolah could just find another pair of dragonballs and wish for immortality but i think that that can be easily hand waved as “its too late to wish for immortality your body is going to just fall apart after 3 years no matter what” or the three year death thing is hard coded into the wish and getting immortality undoes the previous wish and he would no longer be the strongest or something. i think its so interesting to have this character who is willing to sacrifice so much to achieve his goals and im really excited to see where this story takes him.
as for goku being too much stronger than anyone else i dont really care too much about that lol thats kind of how its always been aside from that little bit in the cell arc when trunks and vegeta were stronger than him. the gap between goku and his friends has always been huge, the rest of the gang have always just had to take down the jobber guys and goku has always just had to take down the next rival and maybe they become friends later. i can agree that the way goku learned to command ultra instinct at will has been a little unsatisfying but i like how he is training to master higher versions of the form. i dont want goku to just be done now that he has ultra instinct.
At this point at least give Gohan super Saiyan god, fuck it
Why? Gohan has no desire to be a fighter and is living a happy life with his family. It'd be cool but completely go against his character.
Dragon Ball Super is too predictable. In DBZ the stakes were high because it wasn't only Goku doing the heavyweight lifting. Now, he's shoved in the story at every possible moment, to the point where it gets stale and repetitive. DBZ mixed up the power scale all the time until the fight with Kid Buu. Imo, that's where the problem began.
Yo the Arc just started tho
Indeed I'm patient unlike others
I genuinely believe this arc is off to an excellent start.
Same I’m loving it
Yup and I absolutely love all the new character designs
hopefully it doesn't has a shit ending like the moro arc I don't care if vegeta gets the win like last time where I wanted vegeta to get the win I just hope it doesn't rush or do any stupid shit
@@Windows11Sucks I think Vegeta did get a win last arc honestly, a huge win tbf. However for what I'm assuming you're referring to I think he had a growth arc last arc that leads into this one that will give him the win and make this one much more satisfying. Last arc he healed from trauma that he caused others, this arc he's healing from trauma that was caused to him. This seems to be shaping out to be the burden lifters that will finally allow him use his full power and defeat/destroy the enemy of the arc and get a more lasting and satisfying "win".
@@Windows11Sucks interesting because as far as Super arc endings go, I’d say the Moro arc had the best one, seconded by the anime version of the Tournament of Power’s ending. I agree I was hoping Vegeta would get the W for a change but Goku’s story in the Moro arc was actually really strong.
8:19 also cell went through different cities and absorbed genki from people so that he had enough strength to combat 17 and 18 so he can absorb them
you know what it might be geekdom? DB was a weekly manga before...now its monthly and takes longer just to get a chapter so that could be why Toriyama may feel that people might get uninterested.
The first chapter of this arc is still for me the best chapter of Granola arc by far for me
No. The best chapter was when goku foguht whis.
Feels to soon to complain about the arc, and this comes off as whiny or burn out imo... Maybe dragonball just doesn't do it for you anymore..... at this point it is what it is
Fr lol. Really made a 17 minute video over the first few chapters of an arc lol. Sometimes his complaints are reasonable but everything in this video didn’t make any sense.
@@leultrainstinct406 trust me I'm starting to see it now,same with the falcon and winter solider reviews makes me wonder
Technically we don’t really have a real cooler arc other than the movies
Thats not really an arch its 47 min
Very well structured video. You have a great voice intellect and all that. I side with you.
Granolah looks like a fan made OC character
Maybe you're only saying this because they made him stronger than Goku in the last chapter 🤷
Geekdom still thinks gokus stronger then beerus
There's a lot of ingredients in this arc that have yet to be put together into a satisfying meal.
Facts. Just think about all the different parties that can play a role: goku, vegeta and the z-fighters, the heeters, granolah, frieza and his army, 73 and the angel power, maybe the galactic patrol or broly. I think oatmeal could even play a role. All these 4 chapters have done is lay out the foundation but geek is judging it like the arc is already over lmao
Loving this Arc because we don't know who is gonna make it to the top. We got Granola, OG73, the Heeters, Frieza, Goku and Vegeta. Might even be new alliances between these groups. Bonus if Cooler gets introduced
It's a shounen, so obviously goku and vegeta is probably gonna win. The thing that makes this arc is interesting is that I don't know who the villain will be. Will it be granola, freeza, the heeters, heck maybe even the dragon. So much possibilities with this arc, and that is why i like it.
Vegeta is very smart guy. He learned hakai, mainly because of what he saw top do. Get it yet? He's gonna have a hakai Aura.
Smart guy? he left training with a stronger person to go train with a weaker person.
@@HazzyFcrazy bro it wouldnt make sense for vegeta to train with whis anymore cuz goku vegeta are going their own seperate paths and it wouldnt make sense for him to train with whis anymore if anything it wouldve been dumb if he had decided to stick with whis
@@trainfors3257 Vegeta training with Whiss in the first place was his original idea Goku only found out about it 6 months later. If you choose a path and someone decides to follow you on that path changing paths Again isn’t A SMART thing. That was his path
@@HazzyFcrazy i mean ui didnt suit vegeta and he's going down the hakai route thats all thats there to it
I agree with the granola part but I disagree with the goku & vegeta part. idk why but some of yall youtubers been dry hating on vegeta lately.