keep these videos coming the information is very interesting. just wish the manufacturer engineers could join the discussion. you have some very good points that make a lot of sense.
Jack I enjoy your work a bunch. Cutting timber or working on saws is all good. I have an old 7900, she is a great saw. Reminds me of the Super Pro 81 days, light weight and a lot of power.
dang pard your a walking saw encyclopedia...............thats impressive to listen to a guy that knows a saw like you do sir, thank you for sharing your time and knowledge. I look forward to the next bench talk and then the handy work making stumps of course, safe cuttin Jack
The cylinder on the Dolmar/Makita 6400 has massive transfer's, its got that different design. Is what would be cool is if you could take the 6400 cylinder, 47mm, and then have it bored out to 52mm, then used the 7900 piston. The 6400 cyllinder intake and exhaust ports would probably still need some work, but I think would turn out running pretty darn strong
Is the Dolmar / Makita chainsaw as field serviceable as a Shihl? A Shihl product can be largely taken apart with a Torx 27 and bar nut wrench which also takes the spark plug out. Even if I was to choose a Makita 7900 the likelihood is I'd still use Shihl products to support it such as Shihl bar oil, mix oil, cutter chain, cutter chain files, maybe even a Shihl bar. Thank you for this comparison. I've always been intrigued by Dolmar Sachs chainsaws from the early 1990s when they were more expensive than the Shihl professional saws. Then Makita was said to pull away from the professional chainsaw market with the resulting fear being what happened to Homelite and McCulloch chainsaws when they turned away from professional saws in the 1980s into junk. Realistically they were a generation behind what Shihl and Husky were providing. The Makita chainsaw of today looks in the videos to be at least as good an ergonomic machine as the Stihl with possibly higher to power to weight ratio and better vibration system. I don't see a street department or park's department buying anything, but Shihl because of professional Stihl chainsaws industrial build, serviceable quality and support. A Mikita 7900 though appears to be at nearly the same level as a Shihl 500i and possibly nicer to use, with a price below $1,000 compared to the Shihl 500i at about $1,500. If the 500i works one critical day more than the 7900 the 500i is still the right choice. The question is, is that case?
I have not looked at the Dolmar IPL but the 461 IPL lists the PTO side bearing as a dimension 15x35x13 which corresponds to a 6202 or? These are the same dimensions given for the 044/440 PTO side as well. My understanding is that the bearing has a lip for the oil seal so it is proprietary and not a generic 6202 hence refering to it by the dimensional notation.
Kyle hi. Yes, proprietary. Stihl uses a "special" design on the drive side quite a bit in their machines. It has an extended (wider) outer race that acts as the sealing surface for the outside lip of the seal. Yes, they are the same dimensions but, for whatever reason, different part numbers. Might be the cage is a different construction since I don't have one of each sitting on the bench currently. 6202 is a generic size, yes. Thanks for watching.
outinthewood Yah, need a divet in the ground or a root exposed or they roll over. Kind of makes you wonder what happened during the testing/input stage of the testing process....... That side bar only needs to be another 2" longer and it would be golden. Things that make me go hmmmmmm.
great info, exellent video. i love learning about the saws and what makes em tick a lil better. Now, as a young cutter; what can i do to become as knowledgeable, what materials are out there?
Thoroughbred is a great way to describe Dolmar. My 120si Dolmar(s) are my favorite chainsaws. Top notch shit and I love my 372xp to death, but the Dolmars get an A+
Hello. Thanks. It depends on many factors. Nearest dealer, bars already owned, location of the work (ie. elevation, inland/coast), size of the wood, parts saws available, etc., etc. Equally done up, they are relatively close. I would not buy the Dolmar/Makita if I was hard on equipment though. Thanks for watching.
Epic Bench Talk. Even more info in version 2.0. Even if not getting a saw ported this info is useful in making a decision when investing in a saw. IMHO that is. ;)
Lomby4277 No it is not. Front and slightly left of dead center in the next, soon to be released featured attraction. Please keep in mind that it is the opposite of Hollywood around here. It actually costs MORE to be the star on this channel. Thanks for watching.
What is your contact info? I just bought a Makita 7900 would like to get it ported, oiler fix and possibly muffler mod! Nothing too crazy just a super strong runner!
You might be the most intelligent (ohh, Jed, not Kristen, again by the way...) blue collar man who's ever been born. I only run saws for arboriculture, but it's so cool to actually (kinda) understand what's goin on in there. Thanks so much for everything you do.
I personally think that there are many things all the saw manufacturers do/did "right". Unfortunately, no company does it all right. Some get closer in certain areas but give up in others. Result; a pretty good number of pretty good saws but no saw that is the end all. Think about if the engineers built a perfect saw, now what are you going to do? thanks for watching.
of course dolmar is now Japanese?, and what saws is magnesium casing?, also what do you think of echo, shindaiwa, komatsu Zenoah or other Japanese saws?.
conmanumber1 hi. As far as I know the Dolmar/Makita factory is in Germany. The Makita Corp. did purchase the company and re-badge and drop the Dolmar color and name. Thanks for watching
I think a lot of people get Japan confused with other Asian countries well known for poor processes, poor quality control, etc. Japan is top notch with high precision and QAQC. They are par with Germany and USA in manufacturing. I think Makita's aquisition of Dolmar is a great marrying to keep consumer faith up unlike mergers by other big name companies who choose to live off branding. In general, some parts are great to source from China such as injection moulding and microchipping(which seems odd). Aluminium castings, including consistency with metallurgy is poor from china and similar countries. Precision in machining is, in my humble opinion, a fail for China. This includes bearings, fasteners, motor windings and on and on. I had a rebuild kit for an electric motor come with bearings from China. I went to the local bearing warehouse to snag a better set. Goal was timpken but they had japan ones in stock I didn't hesitate to install.
Thanks Jack, it's neat to see different versions of the same "class" saw apart at the same time. Some very enlightening details there. I've had very little experience with the Dolamar/Makita saws but I'll say the few I've run (all stockers) were pretty good out of the box but always seemed a little light duty to me. A guy would really have to be paying attention, if you went Mongo on it seems like you might start braking mounts, etc.
I watched the whole video and was very intrigued. Guess I am a saw nut. All my saws are stock 365, 555, 441, 026 echo 380 the 66.7 cc saw. the echo is a fun saw for giggles. The 441 will be setup for pushing a bigger bar in big timber with your enhancement's this winter. I might want to grind the transfer caps on the 365 to make it a 372. Do you think it will cause the 365 to wear out a lot quicker being its just a firewood saw that's being abused and I only bought it for reliability purposes, the saw that will always start and run for the next 10 tens
Hello. Best is a relative term, for me anyway. Some are best in ergonomics, power to weight, reliability, toughness of the model, ease to work on for the end user, etc. I would consider at which shop a guy wants to spend his money. Proximity of said shop. What other bar mount patterns do you already have. Spare saws to cannibalize when a guy needs to work the next day. Most of the saws in a particular class range are within reason power wise in stock form. That is not always case once zipped however. I like some of the things about all of these saws. At the same time, I dislike some of the things about all of these saws. It would be hard to tell you which saw is best while knowing nothing about you application, cutting style, chains, maintenance habits, length of bar, whether or not it will get fitted with a zipkit, etc. The xpw went extinct in '09. I can build you one if needed. It is not a cheap endeavor though. They run close to an equally done 461, whereas the 71cc x-torq saw in left in the dust. Thanks for watching.
IMHO has to be the most annoying phrase in YT videos. Your videos are good with good content. Your opinions are your opinions, humble or otherwise. Most of YT is somebody's opinion. Please, stop saying it every 5 seconds. It makes a good video hard to watch.
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Man you’re really know what you’re talking about. Very refreshing these days. God bless you and please keep up the good work
As much as I love your vids in the woods, this is one of the most interesting bench talk videos I've seen comparing these three saws.
keep these videos coming the information is very interesting. just wish the manufacturer engineers could join the discussion. you have some very good points that make a lot of sense.
Thank you for all of the information! I’m currently waiting on my 7900 to arrive.
Awesome three saw comparison, can't wait to see it run!
Jack I enjoy your work a bunch. Cutting timber or working on saws is all good. I have an old 7900, she is a great saw. Reminds me of the Super Pro 81 days, light weight and a lot of power.
Learn something every time...thanks Jack!
dang pard your a walking saw encyclopedia...............thats impressive to listen to a guy that knows a saw like you do sir, thank you for sharing your time and knowledge. I look forward to the next bench talk and then the handy work making stumps of course, safe cuttin Jack
tanks for making these videos im a huge fan.
Just wondering what is the construction material of the handles on the different saws ?? Great video as always.
Jay hi.
Steel, Al+³, and plastic are the only materials that I've seen handle bars made from.
Thanks for watching.
A very interesting video learned a lot there thank you
The cylinder on the Dolmar/Makita 6400 has massive transfer's, its got that different design. Is what would be cool is if you could take the 6400 cylinder, 47mm, and then have it bored out to 52mm, then used the 7900 piston. The 6400 cyllinder intake and exhaust ports would probably still need some work, but I think would turn out running pretty darn strong
Is the Dolmar / Makita chainsaw as field serviceable as a Shihl? A Shihl product can be largely taken apart with a Torx 27 and bar nut wrench which also takes the spark plug out. Even if I was to choose a Makita 7900 the likelihood is I'd still use Shihl products to support it such as Shihl bar oil, mix oil, cutter chain, cutter chain files, maybe even a Shihl bar.
Thank you for this comparison. I've always been intrigued by Dolmar Sachs chainsaws from the early 1990s when they were more expensive than the Shihl professional saws. Then Makita was said to pull away from the professional chainsaw market with the resulting fear being what happened to Homelite and McCulloch chainsaws when they turned away from professional saws in the 1980s into junk. Realistically they were a generation behind what Shihl and Husky were providing.
The Makita chainsaw of today looks in the videos to be at least as good an ergonomic machine as the Stihl with possibly higher to power to weight ratio and better vibration system. I don't see a street department or park's department buying anything, but Shihl because of professional Stihl chainsaws industrial build, serviceable quality and support. A Mikita 7900 though appears to be at nearly the same level as a Shihl 500i and possibly nicer to use, with a price below $1,000 compared to the Shihl 500i at about $1,500. If the 500i works one critical day more than the 7900 the 500i is still the right choice. The question is, is that case?
I have not looked at the Dolmar IPL but the 461 IPL lists the PTO side bearing as a dimension 15x35x13 which corresponds to a 6202 or? These are the same dimensions given for the 044/440 PTO side as well. My understanding is that the bearing has a lip for the oil seal so it is proprietary and not a generic 6202 hence refering to it by the dimensional notation.
Kyle hi.
Yes, proprietary. Stihl uses a "special" design on the drive side quite a bit in their machines. It has an extended (wider) outer race that acts as the sealing surface for the outside lip of the seal.
Yes, they are the same dimensions but, for whatever reason, different part numbers. Might be the cage is a different construction since I don't have one of each sitting on the bench currently.
6202 is a generic size, yes.
Thanks for watching.
Good stuff Jack, it's the one thing I would change on my 562 if I could would be the Stihl style 3/4 wrap arrangement in favour of the 372 style.
outinthewood Yah, need a divet in the ground or a root exposed or they roll over. Kind of makes you wonder what happened during the testing/input stage of the testing process.......
That side bar only needs to be another 2" longer and it would be golden. Things that make me go hmmmmmm.
great info, exellent video. i love learning about the saws and what makes em tick a lil better. Now, as a young cutter; what can i do to become as knowledgeable, what materials are out there?
Thoroughbred is a great way to describe Dolmar. My 120si Dolmar(s) are my favorite chainsaws. Top notch shit and I love my 372xp to death, but the Dolmars get an A+
Which of these saws can you get the most out of Jack?
Good stuff. Love my 7900.
I am contemplating the makita 79cc any advice? I am also looking for recommendations for a 20 bar and chain.
Best chainsaw video I've ever seen. Which one would you buy is the question?
Hello. Thanks.
It depends on many factors. Nearest dealer, bars already owned, location of the work (ie. elevation, inland/coast), size of the wood, parts saws available, etc., etc. Equally done up, they are relatively close. I would not buy the Dolmar/Makita if I was hard on equipment though.
Thanks for watching.
Epic Bench Talk. Even more info in version 2.0. Even if not getting a saw ported this info is useful in making a decision when investing in a saw. IMHO that is. ;)
kyle smith I forgot to mention the handle bar arrangement - ooops - and did not catch it immediately.
Thanks for watching.
Great video Jack. Is that my 461 on the bench?
Lomby4277 No it is not. Front and slightly left of dead center in the next, soon to be released featured attraction. Please keep in mind that it is the opposite of Hollywood around here. It actually costs MORE to be the star on this channel.
Thanks for watching.
I could not agree with you more about the newer Stihl full wrap bar, I want one like my dads old 038 super :)
hae oils ? Castor 927 ?
What is your contact info? I just bought a Makita 7900 would like to get it ported, oiler fix and possibly muffler mod! Nothing too crazy just a super strong runner!
Joe hi. My email address is in the description area of most of the videos from the last three years. Thanks for watching.
hotsaws101 hello, I tried to send email at the adress in description, said was invalid
mine is hackett718@gmail.com
Great video
You might be the most intelligent (ohh, Jed, not Kristen, again by the way...) blue collar man who's ever been born. I only run saws for arboriculture, but it's so cool to actually (kinda) understand what's goin on in there. Thanks so much for everything you do.
Thanks, but no, not even close. Just tried to pay attention over the years.
Thanks for watching.
so can you still build the 375?
James J hello. Yes it can be done. I you are interested my email is in the description. Thanks for watching.
One thing Husky did right was they have kept true wraps . Good video. Wish there were more Dolmar Dealers.
I personally think that there are many things all the saw manufacturers do/did "right". Unfortunately, no company does it all right. Some get closer in certain areas but give up in others. Result; a pretty good number of pretty good saws but no saw that is the end all. Think about if the engineers built a perfect saw, now what are you going to do?
thanks for watching.
of course dolmar is now Japanese?, and what saws is magnesium casing?, also what do you think of echo, shindaiwa, komatsu Zenoah or other Japanese saws?.
conmanumber1 hi. As far as I know the Dolmar/Makita factory is in Germany. The Makita Corp. did purchase the company and re-badge and drop the Dolmar color and name.
Thanks for watching
I think a lot of people get Japan confused with other Asian countries well known for poor processes, poor quality control, etc. Japan is top notch with high precision and QAQC. They are par with Germany and USA in manufacturing. I think Makita's aquisition of Dolmar is a great marrying to keep consumer faith up unlike mergers by other big name companies who choose to live off branding. In general, some parts are great to source from China such as injection moulding and microchipping(which seems odd). Aluminium castings, including consistency with metallurgy is poor from china and similar countries. Precision in machining is, in my humble opinion, a fail for China. This includes bearings, fasteners, motor windings and on and on. I had a rebuild kit for an electric motor come with bearings from China. I went to the local bearing warehouse to snag a better set. Goal was timpken but they had japan ones in stock I didn't hesitate to install.
Thanks Jack, it's neat to see different versions of the same "class" saw apart at the same time. Some very enlightening details there. I've had very little experience with the Dolamar/Makita saws but I'll say the few I've run (all stockers) were pretty good out of the box but always seemed a little light duty to me. A guy would really have to be paying attention, if you went Mongo on it seems like you might start braking mounts, etc.
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I watched the whole video and was very intrigued. Guess I am a saw nut. All my saws are stock 365, 555, 441, 026 echo 380 the 66.7 cc saw. the echo is a fun saw for giggles. The 441 will be setup for pushing a bigger bar in big timber with your enhancement's this winter. I might want to grind the transfer caps on the 365 to make it a 372. Do you think it will cause the 365 to wear out a lot quicker being its just a firewood saw that's being abused and I only bought it for reliability purposes, the saw that will always start and run for the next 10 tens
I want to know which chainsaw is the best. I want to buy one of those. Which one? Thank you.
Hello. Best is a relative term, for me anyway. Some are best in ergonomics, power to weight, reliability, toughness of the model, ease to work on for the end user, etc. I would consider at which shop a guy wants to spend his money. Proximity of said shop. What other bar mount patterns do you already have. Spare saws to cannibalize when a guy needs to work the next day.
Most of the saws in a particular class range are within reason power wise in stock form. That is not always case once zipped however.
I like some of the things about all of these saws. At the same time, I dislike some of the things about all of these saws. It would be hard to tell you which saw is best while knowing nothing about you application, cutting style, chains, maintenance habits, length of bar, whether or not it will get fitted with a zipkit, etc.
The xpw went extinct in '09. I can build you one if needed. It is not a cheap endeavor though. They run close to an equally done 461, whereas the 71cc x-torq saw in left in the dust.
Thanks for watching.
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Ahhhh, the almighty Stihl.
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IMHO has to be the most annoying phrase in YT videos. Your videos are good with good content. Your opinions are your opinions, humble or otherwise. Most of YT is somebody's opinion. Please, stop saying it every 5 seconds. It makes a good video hard to watch.
,I can't stand someone telling me how to talk, bet you don't like it much either, move on troll!
I agree a man as smart and detailed knowledge can talk anyway you like and a hell of a feller keep up the great videos
God bless you brother. Do you have a email? And if you do how would I find this comment again?
It's in the description area.
Thanks for watching.