I thought , this is gonna be good, I want to see just how he plans to get broken castiron welded to a point that it can withstand the pressures generated by a vise without it blowing back apart. Lol The type of rod you used , preheating it, then packing it in sand for a slow cool down was informative. Thanks.
I thought, Oh cool, a 524 vice 👍 We had one decades ago when I was a child. I'm pretty sure my Dad still has it. I wonder if that breakage is a weak point in the design? img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/walnut_charlie/Practical%20Machinest/Vise-2.jpg
It’s clear that you do this because you enjoy it. You took the time to save this tool and video your journey. Nuff said! Too many shoulda, coulda, woulda, experts. Yes, I have restored many old vises and other tools. I have my way to do it but I’m not gonna give ya grief because you did or didn’t do something. You shared your method and your environment. Thanks for the ride!
Probably 50 years ago I came across a big vice with 6" jaws, the front jaw was broken off about 3" down. I didn't have a big vice and really wanted to fix it. I knew I didn't have the ability to weld cast iron yet. I was talking to a friend at work and he had welded cast iron and was willing to help or do it for me. So we rig a way to clamp it so we could grind and weld. As you, we pre heated with a torch, welded it and used the torch t8 let it cool slowly, this took about about 3-3 1/2 hours to keep heat in the jaw. I didn't do as much as you, I just wanted to get the jaw back on. I've used a 4lb shop hammer when wanted to bend or beat on something. It's still serving my needs, I just don't beat as hard as I once did. You did a superb job, I would bet on your repair work against anyone I've ever seen. Especially in the looks department. Great job
Amazing job. That Vise is thanking you for a second life of doing proud work. It was a wrecked chunk of metal until you brought it home. And turned it once again into a thing of beauty. Truly Well done.
I have a Starrett vise that I broke with a cheater pipe. I repaired it exactly like you did. I have been using it now for 45 years and it is still going strong.
Awesome job of welding up the cast iron. My father-in-law, a retired master welder, welded up a transmission on a 1952 Ferguson TO30 tractor about 35 years ago.....in the dead of winter....outside. It's still holding strong to this day.
2 million views at the time im watching this... incredible... Great content, amazing work, great editing.. no stupid music, and dog breaks.. this channel has it all.
Most people that gave this a thumbs down have never restored a vise before. The only thing they know about shop work is sitting in front of some one else's work bench, drinking a beer and watching the other guy work. It some how makes them an expert. Nice work buddy! You made a sows ear into a silk purse! I give you a FAT thumbs up.
My dad (a tool and die maker) fixed a similar but larger vice about 40 yrs ago. He brazed it. If I recall he said the biggest issue was to get the casting hot enough for the brazing to take. I still have the vice to this day and its been seriousely abused in those 40yrs.... never been a problem since.
Very good restoration. A humble advice to your next restoration, you must keep the piece to be welded approximately within 400 ° centigrade at all times, the sand or lime that you use must also be hot so that the cooling is smooth and even, so that tensions or critical points are not formed . Excuse my English, because I'm using the google translator. Greetings from Argentina, and again congratulations for the restoration.-
This vid shows a few things: 1.) This vice when you picked it up was rated '5-B'---- 4 buzzards circling, and one swooping! You took on a super gutsy project here. 2.) After SHTF, and we collapse as a society, a talented welder will be more than a useful guy 3.) persistence pays off. And sometimes a rarely used tool is just what you need. Those jaws were crying for that hand impact, and you had one! Just because 'You'll not use it much' might be true, when you do need it It'll bring a smile to your face when it works. Also there are many ways to attack any problem Great job on this restore which will be working long after you have past on!
nice job there, I did the same repair on one of my vises using cast 90 rods and it has worked well. No cracks etc. only difference after pre heat and welding I put it on my wood stove and just let it cool down overnight as the stove fuel was burnt down and stove out.
On the farm we wait to weld cast when we have a brush pile to burn and when welding is done cover with the red hot hard wood ashes and let it cool over next few days, it works well.
Nice repair, really enjoyed the presentation, especially the part where there was no shitty music and no narrative, just the sounds of tools and dogs. Right on!
2 years ago I restored a vice my father dug up 40 years ago as a fused lump of rust. It sat outside his place for 20 years, then after he passed, another 20 years outside at my place. One day I looked at it and said, its time has come. The rust was insane.. It took weeks of soaking and tapping to get it apart. Thank goodness no broken castings... Hours of bead blasting and painting later, its up and running... just as my father envisioned almost half a century ago.
Мужик, за то , что работаешь без перчаток - отдельное уважение! Не боишься грязи и руки запачкать. Может в перчатках и правильно, но лично я не чувствую тогда изделие. Ну и работа само собой отличная!
Amazed to see someone on RUclips following the correct procedure for welding repairs. Cast iron is an absolute nightmare to work with got a follow from me 👍🏽
Every time I watch a vice restoration video, I get all pumped up to finish my bench vice restoration. Then I remember I need to buy de-greaser and some wheels for my grinder.... and self etching primer... and paint... then, I forget to buy it when I'm at Canadian Tire. Then I watch a vice video again and remember I need too buy all that stuff. Then I forget again. It's an endless cycle.
@bpdp379 lol all I've gone done so Far is the deep cleaning and resurfacing of the anvil end. Also a light lubrication of the screw. I'm kinda liking the way it looks with the old beat up paint though. Once I cleaned it, it looked neat. Especially with the working surfaces redone.
Funny you say that about the paint. At a certain point of course it needs stripped and redone but man I like the look of used and worn old machinery. I’d leave it too!
Good welding procedure. Almost 50 years ago my old friend taught me how to weld cast iron. Heat, weld, peen and cool slowly as you did. Instead on sand we packed item in wood ashes, cools even slower. I heat with one of those turkey frier propane burners. One of the toughest repairs was the front cylinder head on my 46 Harley Knucklehead, it was cracked clear down to the exhaust guide hole. It was junk the way it was so nothing to loose trying to fix it. Ground v all the way through the crack, heated it red, turned heat down some but kept it red. I welded with nickel rod,welding and peening until v was filled. I took it out off the propane flame and packed it in a pail of wood ashes, 24 hours later and it was still almost too hot to hold. At this point I had a friend machine it and this was 25 years ago, with proper technique welding cast will hold. Beautiful job on the vise
That sort of restoration is what a bead or sand blaster is for. You can spend hours cleaning off the paint and rust, or you can do it in 5 minutes. Ive restored 25 or so vises in the past 15 yrs. Btw a decent phosphor bronze brazing rod will actually work better than electrode, as it penetrates deeper into the break. For maximum strength.. use nickle silver braze.. but few vises need it until you get into the big 5" or bigger vises.
I am so Shocked at how Well the repair and restoration went!!! You did an outstanding and Amazing Job at fixing and restoring this vise! WOW!!! This is the best vise restoration and fix video ive ever seen!!! And ive seen hundreds of vise restoration videos. Great Job Bro! I hope you're proud and feel a sense of Accomplishment after fixing and Restoring this vise. God bless Bro. Take care.
I truly appreciate such a high compliment David! I definitely enjoy taking such a beautiful old tool and bringing it back to life! Hopefully it will inspire someone to take the risk, and attempt to repair something that's junk to everyone else! That's part of the real meaning behind the channel name, Salvage Workshop! As always, your views & comments are truly appreciated!
@@SalvageWorkshop Thanks so much for always replying back. I apologize if i dont lol sometimes i dont get notifications that someone replied back. I may not always Comment but i try to watch all of your videos lol ive been with you since close to the beginning? Lol and am enjoying watching your Channel take off! And grow👍 and you sure deserve it for all you hard work! Take care Brotha! Love seeing them old "junk" tools brought back to life.
@@daviddaddy You are most welcome my friend, I enjoy responding to comments, and as the channel grows I will do my best to keep it up as best as I can! Don't worry I never expect you to comment, but my responses are a way to appreciate it when you take the time! Thank you as always, you take care as well!
It is a pleasure to watch how “killed” things gain a second life. This is really a restoration, and not like the others: they cleaned, painted and called it a restoration ...
Well restoration can mean many things, and I enjoy watching all levels of them, but this one was definitely not just a clean & paint job! Thanks for the compliment Otto, I truly appreciate it!
My jaw is clicking watching the amount of Tetanus that must be flying around. Cool dogs! Hardcore resto. You go where no one goes and I respect that. No bullshit. Good for you and your dogs.
@@SalvageWorkshop I revved up an old timer once by telling him I tig welded cast iron back together with stainless filler.... man that got him going..... lol
Amazing restoration! I think my favorite part was at the end when you put the dog collar on the vise. I didn't get it at first and then I saw the "Bulldog" stamped into the actual vise. That was a masterful touch on your part!!!
It’s impossible to repair! “Hold my beer!” I’ve owned hundreds of vises in varying stages of disrepair. And I have restored several of them. It wouldn’t take me very long to decide that this is NOT a vise project that I would take on. Congratulations brother on such a great job...
For relatively small parts like this, a pre heat in an oven works best for me. In a pinch the kitchen oven will do. Let a part like this soak for at least two hours. After welding/brazing, put back in the pre-heated oven and turn it off. It will cool slowly over a period of several hours. Unless you pre heated the sand, that would be enough thermal shock to crack the casting. Nice fix, for all that -
Thank you Glenn! Ya I considered using the stove, but using the torch was faster... Not sure if i agree on needing to preheat the sand. It acts like an insulator and once the part is surrounded in it, the sand will warm up , but it just keeps the heat from escaping the repaired part too quickly, because as you know, that's what causes the cracks in cast iron repairs!
My Dad had an old stove in his shop and used the oven regularly to heat things he welded and brazed. It might be a bit slower than a torch but he was in no hurry, and he could do other things while getting up to temperature. He also cooled things down in the oven. And made coffee on the one top element that still worked.
Very nice 👍, I did a partial restoration on a smaller vice, I brazed the cast iron, let it cool slow in sand. You did an amazing job with your vise... TY
Nice job on the restoration. It came out like a new vice. Good idea bluing the non-painted parts, but an alternative idea to grinding the jaws smooth is to make some "soft jaws" from sheet metal. That way, you have the best of both worlds, regular jaws and smooth jaws. I was interested to watch your video when it came up in the suggestions, as I did exactly the same repair as this on a smaller vice. However, it was't as tricky as your repair, because my vice was a lot newer and it just had a split pin to retain the spindle. I also didn't bother with the cosmetic JB Weld idea on my vice, with it being a newer vice and not an antique like your vice. You should take the vice back and show the guy you got it from. He'll never believe it's the same vice.
Nice work. It is so cool to see folks like you taking time to restore these great old tools. My bench vice isn't even old and broken and now I want to make it look new again. Thanks for posting this nice video.
Lol, nothing wrong with that at all, you should give it a try! I truly appreciate the compliment Dave, and the fact that you watched the video, thanks again!
hell we have welded more than a few on my family's farms his welds as strong or stronger than the rest of the cast iron tools are meant to be used not babied just dont exceed the declared limit and you wont beak them
@rats arsed Castings are notoriously weak compared to welds, which fuse the iron amorphously, instead of the crystalline nature of a casting, which is more fragile. The only reason we use castings instead of welding things like a vise together is that the cost would be prohibitive, unless you were making a vise for yourself. Then a welded vise would be lighter and smaller for the same strength. A weld is always stronger than the metal it joins.
Cast Steel is perfectly weldable, you are correct. But... THIS vise was obviously Cast Iron (look at the grain in the broken ends, plus the grinding sparks). He used good prep, but very poor welding skills. Nickel does not guarantee a good cast iron weld. Brazing will hold better than this weld will. I've seen many surprised faces at how strong a properly brazed repair is.
*Pretty cool that you use old restored tools to fix up old tools, appliances etc. Who needs Black & Decker when you have old fixer uppers that can still do the job.* 🗜️🛠️
In many cases they’re better quality than what you can buy new today. Or if you can it’ll cost a fortune. I gave myself a crash course education on Vise history recently when I was researching which one to buy for work. I quickly found out that antique vises are far stronger than most you can buy today. I think they’re are a few companies left that make extremely high quality cast Iron vises (Morgan?) but they mostly sell direct to professionals and other companies. I saw the price list for them and it was something like $2,000-10,000 depending on the vise. 😬 The irony is that these old Vises were so well made and lasted for such a long time that the companies who made them went out of business because they ran out of customers. Victims of their own success. 😂 You see this scenario with a lot of early American products and tools. Companies learned this lesson well which is why most goods these days are cheaply made. They don’t acknowledge publicly that it’s the reason but it’s pretty obvious since very few companies put any effort into making quality products that can last a lifetime anymore. Luxury cars are some of the worst offenders, my family’s mechanic once told me basically that looking at the engine of a BMW will bring you to one of two conclusions. 1. The engineers were completely fucking retarded. 2. They designed it to break on purpose. 🤷🏻♂️ That’s the world we live in now.
P.S. Black and Decker is garbage now, they were turned into a budget brand of awful, cheap, made-in-China shit. It’s funny to me that people still drop the name in casual conversations about tools or quality but it just goes to prove my point I guess. Haha
Bessemer patented a process that converted pig iron into steel by injecting air into the molten iron thus oxidizing silicones and carbon. It was originally developed in Japan centuries ago but never used on a large scale. It was revolutionary in the industrial processing of steel, but it had little or nothing to do with refurbishing old tools and vises...
A very interesting procedure, that progressed very much as I thought it had to. Of course, without full depth welding on the break, it will not be as strong as the vice was originally, but will be good for lightweight, low torque, work, certainly not for heavy industrial stuff, but with smooth jaws, obviously only light work is envisaged.
You’re so weird!! Love it!! :) would’ve rather see you cover the teeth on the vice with aluminum plates instead of grind them off. But a fabulous job, the vice looks terrific!!! Love your organization. Best collection of nuts/bolts, etc., ever!!
I think I would have built that weld up more and just made it a rounded transition instead of grinding all your weld reinforcement out. But good job non the less. Oh yeah and if you use more of drag angle you may get a better weld profile. = )
🎉🎉🎉HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HOMIE !!!🎉🎉🎉 He is such a sweet boy and such a good dog I love him !! Great work guys now that's thread repair done the right way very very nice !! And the money you saved your customer WOW !! Great job guys !! 👍👍
This came out absolutely beautiful, Great job mate! 👍👍👍 I've never seen a vice that's been abused so much that the sliding jaw was broken off - there must've been used a considerable amount of force to do that!! I've seen where the spindle and the nut had the thread stripped or damaged beyond repair, but never where the sliding jaw broke off - quite impressive actually. 🤔 - ha ha, that bull dog is a lazy old dog, it won't move..
Thank you my friend! When I found it, I thought the same thing! Most likely whoever broke it was hammering hardcore straight down onto whatever was clamped into it, destroying it! I appreciate you watching and commenting! Lots more to come!
@@SalvageWorkshop I broke an old Samson vise in the same place. I think it had been cracked for quite a while, with the crack growing a little at a time until it finally let go. When I cleaned it up I found that it had been repaired (both welded and brazed) at least twice previously in the same area. I tried welding it again, but my preheat wasn't as good as yours and I didn't use the right filler, so it only lasted about a year. Yours looks like a much better repair. The second time mine broke, I decided cast iron could take a flying leap and built a new slider/jaw from scrap steel. It's not nearly as pretty as yours but it's held up great so far.
I did the same only I did use a heavy industrial migwelder in the highest voltage setting . When I was ready the metal was about cherry red and i put it in stone rockwool mats to cool down . I did use a much wider gap as in the video so my adjustment of the "beak "is not but almost perfect . I am using my bench vise now for 31 years satisfactorily and I never did use a 1.5 meter pipe on the handle again .
Smoothing down the jaws was a good idea in holding objects that might get marks. Especially when vising wood or plastic pieces. The friends who leave comments saying why smooth the jaws. This is an extra vise to your collection of at lease 2or3 so a smooth jaw vise was an excellent idea.
Broken vice - $3.21, Broken vice repair - $852.75, Buy a new replacement for broken vice - $49.99, Watch a true craftsman at the top of his game - PRICELESS! Great video sir!
$49.99? You buying a fisher price vise? You can't get a real bench vise for under a grand these days. Anything else is crap Chinese garbage that is (at best) only for light duty homeowner applications.
JB kwik bonds better than just about any self curing epoxy on the market. the only problem is expense. with very small amounts like was used here, its perfect. it however does not have a high tensile strength.
Thanks for watching CWI or is it JR or.... well whatever... every "certified welding instructor" I spoke with told me it wasn't worth even trying and blah blah blah blah... you missed the point of the video, I was attempting to save an old American tool, and inspire others to get out there and actually start learning a skill like welding without people thinking they have to go to school and learn from CWI's who have nothing better to do than tell everyone that they arent doing it right... case and point is that your comment did not include a single bit of constructive criticism or advise, just what I did "wrong" (plus I wasn't using the hammer to remove the slag, it was mostly being used to peen over each section of weld to relieve the potential for cracks since i'm welding cast iron here not steel.)
Thank you my friend! The goal was to make it look like it was never broken, especially since I was told it was IMPOSSIBLE to fix! Thanks for watching & commenting, I truly appreciate it!
Это не починка и не реставрация. Это имитация галантерейщика. После шлифовки губок сразу стало понятно, что человек долек от слесарного дела. Сварка тоже декоративная, можно было обойтись и эпоксидкой, все равно тиски для "посмотреть".
What did you REALLY think when you FIRST saw this vise in the thumbnail?
I thought , this is gonna be good, I want to see just how he plans to get broken castiron welded to a point that it can withstand the pressures generated by a vise without it blowing back apart. Lol
The type of rod you used , preheating it, then packing it in sand for a slow cool down was informative. Thanks.
I thought, Oh cool, a 524 vice 👍 We had one decades ago when I was a child. I'm pretty sure my Dad still has it. I wonder if that breakage is a weak point in the design? img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/walnut_charlie/Practical%20Machinest/Vise-2.jpg
“Please don’t paint the maker’s mark white”
Araldite!
@@mm9773 I didn't, it's metallic silver!
It’s clear that you do this because you enjoy it. You took the time to save this tool and video your journey. Nuff said! Too many shoulda, coulda, woulda, experts. Yes, I have restored many old vises and other tools. I have my way to do it but I’m not gonna give ya grief because you did or didn’t do something. You shared your method and your environment. Thanks for the ride!
Probably 50 years ago I came across a big vice with 6" jaws, the front jaw was broken off about 3" down. I didn't have a big vice and really wanted to fix it. I knew I didn't have the ability to weld cast iron yet. I was talking to a friend at work and he had welded cast iron and was willing to help or do it for me. So we rig a way to clamp it so we could grind and weld. As you, we pre heated with a torch, welded it and used the torch t8 let it cool slowly, this took about about 3-3 1/2 hours to keep heat in the jaw. I didn't do as much as you, I just wanted to get the jaw back on. I've used a 4lb shop hammer when wanted to bend or beat on something. It's still serving my needs, I just don't beat as hard as I once did. You did a superb job, I would bet on your repair work against anyone I've ever seen. Especially in the looks department. Great job
U should beat as hard as u once did the more u put in the more u get out😜
Amazing job. That Vise is thanking you for a second life of doing proud work. It was a wrecked chunk of metal until you brought it home. And turned it once again into a thing of beauty. Truly Well done.
I have a Starrett vise that I broke with a cheater pipe. I repaired it exactly like you did. I have been using it now for 45 years and it is still going strong.
Awesome job of welding up the cast iron. My father-in-law, a retired master welder, welded up a transmission on a 1952 Ferguson TO30 tractor about 35 years ago.....in the dead of winter....outside. It's still holding strong to this day.
Thank you Frederic! Your story is another example that welding cast iron CAN be done! thanks for sharing!
@@SalvageWorkshop not many people can do it properly, it's an incredible skill to have. Again, great job on the vice, it looks great.
@@American_Jeeper Thank you my friend! I truly appreciate the compliment!
2 million views at the time im watching this... incredible... Great content, amazing work, great editing.. no stupid music, and dog breaks.. this channel has it all.
Most people that gave this a thumbs down have never restored a vise before. The only thing they know about shop work is sitting in front of some one else's work bench, drinking a beer and watching the other guy work. It some how makes them an expert.
Nice work buddy! You made a sows ear into a silk purse! I give you a FAT thumbs up.
Wonderful to see something rescued from the scrap heap. Excellent work!
My dad (a tool and die maker) fixed a similar but larger vice about 40 yrs ago. He brazed it. If I recall he said the biggest issue was to get the casting hot enough for the brazing to take. I still have the vice to this day and its been seriousely abused in those 40yrs.... never been a problem since.
Brazing is the way to go. Guaranteed success. The way he's doing it is a crapshoot.
Very good restoration. A humble advice to
your next restoration, you must keep the piece to be welded approximately within 400 ° centigrade at all times, the sand or lime that you use must also be hot so that the cooling is smooth and even, so that tensions or critical points are not formed .
Excuse my English, because I'm using the google translator.
Greetings from Argentina, and again congratulations for the restoration.-
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Good advice. I'm also a bit concerned about weld penetration.
In this time of disposable throwaway items it is good to see something brought back to life!
I have never see JB Weld used so masterfully artistically. This was very enjoyable for me. Thank you for sharing.
Man, it's hard watching you work without a secure vice.
In the right hands, nothing is ever truly broken. Excellent work sir.
Daniel, I couldn't have said it better myself! Thank you for the compliment, I truly appreciate it!
@@SalvageWorkshop it ain't trash till you throw it in the trash can.
This vid shows a few things:
1.) This vice when you picked it up was rated '5-B'---- 4 buzzards circling, and one swooping!
You took on a super gutsy project here.
2.) After SHTF, and we collapse as a society, a talented welder will be more than a useful guy
3.) persistence pays off. And sometimes a rarely used tool is just what you need.
Those jaws were crying for that hand impact, and you had one! Just because 'You'll not use it much' might be true, when you do need it It'll bring a smile to your face when it works.
Also there are many ways to attack any problem
Great job on this restore which will be working long after you have past on!
nice job there, I did the same repair on one of my vises using cast 90 rods and it has worked well. No cracks etc. only difference after pre heat and welding I put it on my wood stove and just let it cool down overnight as the stove fuel was burnt down and stove out.
On the farm we wait to weld cast when we have a brush pile to burn and when welding is done cover with the red hot hard wood ashes and let it cool over next few days, it works well.
No.va.ha.kedar.bien.no.hizo.el.proseso.correspndiente.grs
WOW! The condition of that vise in the "before" shots looked like scrap. The finished product looked like brand new! Very impressive.
Not sure why I watch this types of vids, but I luv them. Great job!
Now that people is how to renovate a vintage vice. Stunning job buddy. It looks amazing.
Thank you Steve!
yeah but sanding off the grates on faces won't help when stuff flies out, them grates are a big deal when you got high pressure in between
I just watched a guy repair a vise. It turned out beautiful! I agree with the JB-Weld used as a filler here. Perfect solution. Nice job!
Great work! You saved its life and returned it to its rightful place in society.
Nice repair, really enjoyed the presentation, especially the part where there was no shitty music and no narrative, just the sounds of tools and dogs. Right on!
I like to let the work speak for itself (well MOST of the time!) I appreciate you watching and commenting! Lots more to come!
Sir I whole heartedly concur with your assessment. 👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏☺😊
nice vise and nice dogs ! very good work.
Thank you my friend! I appreciate you watching and commenting! Lots more to come!
2 years ago I restored a vice my father dug up 40 years ago as a fused lump of rust. It sat outside his place for 20 years, then after he passed, another 20 years outside at my place. One day I looked at it and said, its time has come. The rust was insane.. It took weeks of soaking and tapping to get it apart. Thank goodness no broken castings... Hours of bead blasting and painting later, its up and running... just as my father envisioned almost half a century ago.
I've seen a lot of vice restorations but that was the biggest challenge and with the best result. Nice dogs too.
Well Andrew I was told it couldn't be fixed, and that was enough for me to make it happen! I truly appreciate your compliment! Lots more to come!
Мужик, за то , что работаешь без перчаток - отдельное уважение! Не боишься грязи и руки запачкать. Может в перчатках и правильно, но лично я не чувствую тогда изделие. Ну и работа само собой отличная!
It does my old heart good whenever I see something being "resurrected" from the scrap heap. Thanks.
There is no way this vise looked this good brand new. That's a great job.
Can we all say resurrection! You brought this vise back from the dead. Amazing!
Thank you Richard!
Amazed to see someone on RUclips following the correct procedure for welding repairs. Cast iron is an absolute nightmare to work with got a follow from me 👍🏽
Every time I watch a vice restoration video, I get all pumped up to finish my bench vice restoration. Then I remember I need to buy de-greaser and some wheels for my grinder.... and self etching primer... and paint... then, I forget to buy it when I'm at Canadian Tire. Then I watch a vice video again and remember I need too buy all that stuff. Then I forget again. It's an endless cycle.
Fix that vise yet? Lol😂
@bpdp379 lol all I've gone done so Far is the deep cleaning and resurfacing of the anvil end. Also a light lubrication of the screw. I'm kinda liking the way it looks with the old beat up paint though. Once I cleaned it, it looked neat. Especially with the working surfaces redone.
Funny you say that about the paint. At a certain point of course it needs stripped and redone but man I like the look of used and worn old machinery. I’d leave it too!
Good welding procedure. Almost 50 years ago my old friend taught me how to weld cast iron. Heat, weld, peen and cool slowly as you did. Instead on sand we packed item in wood ashes, cools even slower. I heat with one of those turkey frier propane burners. One of the toughest repairs was the front cylinder head on my 46 Harley Knucklehead, it was cracked clear down to the exhaust guide hole. It was junk the way it was so nothing to loose trying to fix it. Ground v all the way through the crack, heated it red, turned heat down some but kept it red. I welded with nickel rod,welding and peening until v was filled. I took it out off the propane flame and packed it in a pail of wood ashes, 24 hours later and it was still almost too hot to hold. At this point I had a friend machine it and this was 25 years ago, with proper technique welding cast will hold. Beautiful job on the vise
That sort of restoration is what a bead or sand blaster is for. You can spend hours cleaning off the paint and rust, or you can do it in 5 minutes. Ive restored 25 or so vises in the past 15 yrs. Btw a decent phosphor bronze brazing rod will actually work better than electrode, as it penetrates deeper into the break. For maximum strength.. use nickle silver braze.. but few vises need it until you get into the big 5" or bigger vises.
I am so Shocked at how Well the repair and restoration went!!! You did an outstanding and Amazing Job at fixing and restoring this vise! WOW!!! This is the best vise restoration and fix video ive ever seen!!! And ive seen hundreds of vise restoration videos. Great Job Bro! I hope you're proud and feel a sense of Accomplishment after fixing and Restoring this vise. God bless Bro. Take care.
I truly appreciate such a high compliment David! I definitely enjoy taking such a beautiful old tool and bringing it back to life! Hopefully it will inspire someone to take the risk, and attempt to repair something that's junk to everyone else!
That's part of the real meaning behind the channel name, Salvage Workshop! As always, your views & comments are truly appreciated!
@@SalvageWorkshop Thanks so much for always replying back. I apologize if i dont lol sometimes i dont get notifications that someone replied back. I may not always Comment but i try to watch all of your videos lol ive been with you since close to the beginning? Lol and am enjoying watching your Channel take off! And grow👍 and you sure deserve it for all you hard work! Take care Brotha! Love seeing them old "junk" tools brought back to life.
@@daviddaddy You are most welcome my friend, I enjoy responding to comments, and as the channel grows I will do my best to keep it up as best as I can! Don't worry I never expect you to comment, but my responses are a way to appreciate it when you take the time! Thank you as always, you take care as well!
It is a pleasure to watch how “killed” things gain a second life. This is really a restoration, and not like the others: they cleaned, painted and called it a restoration ...
Well restoration can mean many things, and I enjoy watching all levels of them, but this one was definitely not just a clean & paint job! Thanks for the compliment Otto, I truly appreciate it!
this is to make restoration an art, good job 😉
My jaw is clicking watching the amount of Tetanus that must be flying around. Cool dogs! Hardcore resto. You go where no one goes and I respect that. No bullshit. Good for you and your dogs.
Preheating, cast iron welding, cold blueing, linseed oil. you know your stuff!
I only know enough to be dangerous, but MAN I'm DANGEROUS!
@@SalvageWorkshop I revved up an old timer once by telling him I tig welded cast iron back together with stainless filler.... man that got him going..... lol
Beautiful work and beautiful dogs.
I truly appreciate the compliment on both accounts!
Amazing restoration! I think my favorite part was at the end when you put the dog collar on the vise. I didn't get it at first and then I saw the "Bulldog" stamped into the actual vise. That was a masterful touch on your part!!!
WHAT A SKILL
HONESTLY HARD WORKING
WE'LL DONE
Thank you Anwar! I truly appreciate the compliment!
Kia Ora & Good Afternoon from Unsworth Heights, North Shore, Auckland, New Zealand …Great Video Bro …
It’s impossible to repair! “Hold my beer!” I’ve owned hundreds of vises in varying stages of disrepair. And I have restored several of them. It wouldn’t take me very long to decide that this is NOT a vise project that I would take on. Congratulations brother on such a great job...
JB Weld...”it’s a form of cold welding”...I love it
Well.. i have to say, a troop of helpers there & !! you get space to work outside. ✔️ i gave a like.
For relatively small parts like this, a pre heat in an oven works best for me. In a pinch the kitchen oven will do. Let a part like this soak for at least two hours. After welding/brazing, put back in the pre-heated oven and turn it off. It will cool slowly over a period of several hours. Unless you pre heated the sand, that would be enough thermal shock to crack the casting.
Nice fix, for all that -
Thank you Glenn! Ya I considered using the stove, but using the torch was faster... Not sure if i agree on needing to preheat the sand. It acts like an insulator and once the part is surrounded in it, the sand will warm up , but it just keeps the heat from escaping the repaired part too quickly, because as you know, that's what causes the cracks in cast iron repairs!
the sand absolutely has to be totally dry. I prefer vermiculite.
My Dad had an old stove in his shop and used the oven regularly to heat things he welded and brazed. It might be a bit slower than a torch but he was in no hurry, and he could do other things while getting up to temperature. He also cooled things down in the oven. And made coffee on the one top element that still worked.
The sand appeared to be wet.
Great tip, thanks!
Awesome to see people like you that give life back to something forgotten by time... Very nice sir!
Thank you! I appreciate you watching and commenting! Lots more to come!
Very nice 👍,
I did a partial restoration on a smaller vice, I brazed the cast iron, let it cool slow in sand.
You did an amazing job with your vise... TY
Terrific idea to burn shop rags, less that can go wrong in the shop!
Cheap insurance when it comes to using products that say "may cause spontaneous combustion" on the label!
Your attention to detail is immaculate, excellent work
Good job mate, nice welding.
Thanks again Nick!
Nice job on the restoration. It came out like a new vice. Good idea bluing the non-painted parts, but an alternative idea to grinding the jaws smooth is to make some "soft jaws" from sheet metal. That way, you have the best of both worlds, regular jaws and smooth jaws.
I was interested to watch your video when it came up in the suggestions, as I did exactly the same repair as this on a smaller vice. However, it was't as tricky as your repair, because my vice was a lot newer and it just had a split pin to retain the spindle. I also didn't bother with the cosmetic JB Weld idea on my vice, with it being a newer vice and not an antique like your vice.
You should take the vice back and show the guy you got it from. He'll never believe it's the same vice.
@Mike Hegarty Yeah! I quit decades ago.....
Nice job. I don’t think I would ever trust that vice for heavy clamping forces, but for a hobbyist vice I think it would do a really good job.
I guess it depends on your definition of "heavy". After all, too heavy clamping is what broke it.
Even Bull Dogs have their limits
@@neil6212 I bet someone hammered the piss out of whatever they were working on.
Good job, prima !! And very nice doggies...😊😊😊😊
Nice work. It is so cool to see folks like you taking time to restore these great old tools. My bench vice isn't even old and broken and now I want to make it look new again. Thanks for posting this nice video.
Lol, nothing wrong with that at all, you should give it a try! I truly appreciate the compliment Dave, and the fact that you watched the video, thanks again!
The black Weimaraners at 7:50 are beautifull. They look like polished.
Thank you! I have always loved the color as well! (fyi the color is blue, but they do look like a dark charcoal / black!)
Heck yea. You knocked that one out of the park. Nice job and you got a good looking vise oit of it too.
Nice vise.
Beautiful dogs!
Quite an impressive restoration! Well done!
Thank you my friend! I appreciate you watching and commenting! Lots more to come!
A piece of waste back into life again. You have admirable habilities. An outstanding metal worker! Congrats from Brazil!
Very nice work. So nice to see old stuff getting repaired and saved from just becoming scrap metal. I love watching videos like this.
Nice job and looks a treat. I wouldn't use it for anything other than woodwork or light duties. It would be a bummer to have to do it all again.
hell we have welded more than a few on my family's farms his welds as strong or stronger than the rest of the cast iron tools are meant to be used not babied just dont exceed the declared limit and you wont beak them
@nuff said because I have welded cast iron and it is never as strong as it was originally
@@s2hjt Maybe your welding skills suck.
@rats arsed
Castings are notoriously weak compared to welds, which fuse the iron amorphously, instead of the crystalline nature of a casting, which is more fragile. The only reason we use castings instead of welding things like a vise together is that the cost would be prohibitive, unless you were making a vise for yourself. Then a welded vise would be lighter and smaller for the same strength. A weld is always stronger than the metal it joins.
Cast Steel is perfectly weldable, you are correct.
But...
THIS vise was obviously Cast Iron (look at the grain in the broken ends, plus the grinding sparks).
He used good prep, but very poor welding skills. Nickel does not guarantee a good cast iron weld.
Brazing will hold better than this weld will. I've seen many surprised faces at how strong a properly brazed repair is.
Perfect Job and a Perfect Restoration....Well Done...
Very nice repair/restoration. I did hate to see you grind off the crosshatching on the jaws though - they were really in rare good condition.
A lot of the dents and dings adds to the character of the tool and shows what a ruff life it had and is really still in good shape and usable.
What a waste to smooth those jaws.
Eh, sometimes you need smooth jaws.
I did not care for hiding the weld repair under body filler and paint, especially if the vise will be sold.
Agree, he could have easily had some jaws machined and had two sets...
@@mikemarler8224if you need smooth jaws you buy smooth jaws and change the grip jaws out for them. 🤷🏼♂️
*Pretty cool that you use old restored tools to fix up old tools, appliances etc. Who needs Black & Decker when you have old fixer uppers that can still do the job.* 🗜️🛠️
In many cases they’re better quality than what you can buy new today. Or if you can it’ll cost a fortune. I gave myself a crash course education on Vise history recently when I was researching which one to buy for work. I quickly found out that antique vises are far stronger than most you can buy today. I think they’re are a few companies left that make extremely high quality cast Iron vises (Morgan?) but they mostly sell direct to professionals and other companies. I saw the price list for them and it was something like $2,000-10,000 depending on the vise. 😬
The irony is that these old Vises were so well made and lasted for such a long time that the companies who made them went out of business because they ran out of customers. Victims of their own success. 😂
You see this scenario with a lot of early American products and tools. Companies learned this lesson well which is why most goods these days are cheaply made. They don’t acknowledge publicly that it’s the reason but it’s pretty obvious since very few companies put any effort into making quality products that can last a lifetime anymore. Luxury cars are some of the worst offenders, my family’s mechanic once told me basically that looking at the engine of a BMW will bring you to one of two conclusions. 1. The engineers were completely fucking retarded. 2. They designed it to break on purpose. 🤷🏻♂️ That’s the world we live in now.
P.S. Black and Decker is garbage now, they were turned into a budget brand of awful, cheap, made-in-China shit. It’s funny to me that people still drop the name in casual conversations about tools or quality but it just goes to prove my point I guess. Haha
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Excellent save, It will squeeze again. Love to see it, the red really pops. Thanks for sharing
I always like it when someone restores an old Prentiss vise so it can be of use again. :-)
Interesting fix, what a true craftsman you truly are. Thank you for this share, it will brighten these two guys day.
Lance & Patrick.
Thank you Gentlemen! I'm just a guy who loves tools of all kinds! Thanks for watching & commenting, it's truly appreciated!
MATT, THAT VISE IS LOOKING BETTER ALL THE TIME. A LOT OF WORK, BUT THAT'LL BE A TREASURE.
I have that same vice! Got it out of a barn and cleaned up nice.
really impressive job ) nice old vice back in business
Thank you Chris! That was the goal!
Wow I didn't really think there was much you could do with that.. I stand corrected what an amazing result fantastic.
I live in an area that used to have a steelworks, they had a way of renewing old metal vices, it was called a Bessemer Convertor.
due to EPA regulations that's still done ! ~ but in CHINA
Bessemer patented a process that converted pig iron into steel by injecting air into the molten iron thus oxidizing silicones and carbon. It was originally developed in Japan centuries ago but never used on a large scale. It was revolutionary in the industrial processing of steel, but it had little or nothing to do with refurbishing old tools and vises...
@@markgardner8902 Wooosh! He means melt it down and cast a new vice.
The best comment on this item. Total waste of time trying to repair a vice, throw it in the pot 😃
That was great to watch and just so relaxing seeing you turn someone’s trash into a great useful treasure
I'm glad you enjoyed it! It was definitely a fun project! Thanks for watching and commenting! Lots more to come!
A very interesting procedure, that progressed very much as I thought it had to. Of course, without full depth welding on the break, it will not be as strong as the vice was originally, but will be good for lightweight, low torque, work, certainly not for heavy industrial stuff, but with smooth jaws, obviously only light work is envisaged.
You’re so weird!! Love it!! :) would’ve rather see you cover the teeth on the vice with aluminum plates instead of grind them off. But a fabulous job, the vice looks terrific!!! Love your organization. Best collection of nuts/bolts, etc., ever!!
I think I would have built that weld up more and just made it a rounded transition instead of grinding all your weld reinforcement out. But good job non the less.
Oh yeah and if you use more of drag angle you may get a better weld profile. = )
And cap with 7018. Form follows function. Also human skin is both an organ and a semi-permeable membrane.
🎉🎉🎉HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HOMIE !!!🎉🎉🎉 He is such a sweet boy and such a good dog I love him !! Great work guys now that's thread repair done the right way very very nice !! And the money you saved your customer WOW !! Great job guys !! 👍👍
This came out absolutely beautiful, Great job mate! 👍👍👍
I've never seen a vice that's been abused so much that the sliding jaw was broken off - there must've been used a considerable amount of force to do that!!
I've seen where the spindle and the nut had the thread stripped or damaged beyond repair, but never where the sliding jaw broke off - quite impressive actually. 🤔
- ha ha, that bull dog is a lazy old dog, it won't move..
Thank you my friend! When I found it, I thought the same thing! Most likely whoever broke it was hammering hardcore straight down onto whatever was clamped into it, destroying it! I appreciate you watching and commenting! Lots more to come!
@@SalvageWorkshop I broke an old Samson vise in the same place. I think it had been cracked for quite a while, with the crack growing a little at a time until it finally let go. When I cleaned it up I found that it had been repaired (both welded and brazed) at least twice previously in the same area. I tried welding it again, but my preheat wasn't as good as yours and I didn't use the right filler, so it only lasted about a year. Yours looks like a much better repair.
The second time mine broke, I decided cast iron could take a flying leap and built a new slider/jaw from scrap steel. It's not nearly as pretty as yours but it's held up great so far.
Yes, you just have golden hands !! Great job!
I love old tools of every kind,u do amazing job rescuing them I are cool
The restorative work that you are so capable of is both amazing and admired.
Caro amigo. Curto seus vídeos e muito legal. Parabéns belíssimo trabalho.
I love these restoration videos. This channel is definitely worth it
I did the same only I did use a heavy industrial migwelder in the highest voltage setting . When I was ready the metal was about cherry red and i put it in stone rockwool mats to cool down . I did use a much wider gap as in the video so my adjustment of the "beak "is not but almost perfect . I am using my bench vise now for 31 years
satisfactorily and I never did use a 1.5 meter pipe on the handle again .
Smoothing down the jaws was a good idea in holding objects that might get marks. Especially when vising wood or plastic pieces. The friends who leave comments saying why smooth the jaws. This is an extra vise to your collection of at lease 2or3 so a smooth jaw vise was an excellent idea.
I was about to ask why smoothing the jaw and really unhappy with it until I saw your comment..
First class restoration. Well done
I had a simular vise broken the same way,welded before taking apart and put a plate on each side on the weld for security.
Good idea, which might strengthen the cast iron broken piece！
Broken vice - $3.21, Broken vice repair - $852.75, Buy a new replacement for broken vice - $49.99, Watch a true craftsman at the top of his game - PRICELESS! Great video sir!
Thank you my friend!
Might earn it back in RUclips monetization though!
Where do you figure he spent $852 in repairs?
$49.99? You buying a fisher price vise? You can't get a real bench vise for under a grand these days. Anything else is crap Chinese garbage that is (at best) only for light duty homeowner applications.
He earned over $15,000 US in ad revenue from the video. Well worth it! That is what I earn on 2+ million views anyway.
This is one of the best Vise restoration videos I have seen
i too wished you retained the cross hatching on the grippers. in the end a beautiful vice. dont clamp down too hard...
Absolutely first class work. Great work sir or mam.
If you cant tell that this is a man, then I dont wanna know how you like your women lol
At the start of the video, you did not strike me as someone who could pull this off. The end result was great. Good job, well done.
This is the ONLY Permanent repair JB-KWIK should ever be used for.
I wouldn't even say that the way I used it was even a repair, as much as a filler like bondo! Thanks for watching, I appreciate it!
@@SalvageWorkshop I thought it was an excellent choice for a filler.
Joe Jeanes better than say erm filler ?
JB kwik bonds better than just about any self curing epoxy on the market. the only problem is expense. with very small amounts like was used here, its perfect. it however does not have a high tensile strength.
That's the first time I have seen a decent weld repair on a RUclips restoration.
Thanks for watching CWI or is it JR or.... well whatever... every "certified welding instructor" I spoke with told me it wasn't worth even trying and blah blah blah blah... you missed the point of the video, I was attempting to save an old American tool, and inspire others to get out there and actually start learning a skill like welding without people thinking they have to go to school and learn from CWI's who have nothing better to do than tell everyone that they arent doing it right... case and point is that your comment did not include a single bit of constructive criticism or advise, just what I did "wrong" (plus I wasn't using the hammer to remove the slag, it was mostly being used to peen over each section of weld to relieve the potential for cracks since i'm welding cast iron here not steel.)
There is no substitute for quality work.
Totally blown away by how well that was able to be repaired. It doesn’t even look like it was ever broken. Beautiful job
Thank you my friend! The goal was to make it look like it was never broken, especially since I was told it was IMPOSSIBLE to fix! Thanks for watching & commenting, I truly appreciate it!
Это не починка и не реставрация. Это имитация галантерейщика. После шлифовки губок сразу стало понятно, что человек долек от слесарного дела. Сварка тоже декоративная, можно было обойтись и эпоксидкой, все равно тиски для "посмотреть".
U make me crying..so nice
Just checking in to say that I was tickled pink at you welding on this one! Great job, Man!
Thank you Marty!
I’ve watched several of your videos recently and you have come a long way in 2-3 years