Just HOW HARD is it to DERAIL a TRAIN?!? - Hyce Reacts - US Army Tests

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
  • Watch the original clip: ttps:// • Army Experiments In Tr...
    Visit the channel shop: hycetrains.com/shop/
    Join my discord: / discord
    Become an ES&D Train Crew Member and get extra perks!
    / @hyce777

Комментарии • 411

  • @anthonyvancampen6729
    @anthonyvancampen6729 16 дней назад +104

    There are a few more videos from the same US Army Transportation Corps base about the training done by US Army railroaders to repair and run railroads in Africa and Europe. ruclips.net/video/TBNYu35BCHY/видео.html
    Some of the other experiments involved sabotage charges to destroy trains. ruclips.net/video/3PaVc5VDA7s/видео.html

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  16 дней назад +21

      Oh rad! I will need to check these out. Thank you!

    • @aidonarentz3104
      @aidonarentz3104 14 дней назад +1

      i remember having a movie that was about ww2 train and it had this same video in it

    • @davidhollenshead4892
      @davidhollenshead4892 11 дней назад

      ​@@Hyce777 The US Army really should have consulted Lawrence, Thomas Edward Lawrence, otherwise known as Lawrence of Arabia. I'm sure if he wasn't already dead from crashing his Brough Superior SS100 Motorcycle back in 35 he would have shown them how to flip a train on it's side. As he did a "real bang up good job" on the Ottoman Empire's Railway back during "The Great War", "The War To End All Wars"...

    • @robdgaming
      @robdgaming 7 дней назад

      The Consolidation could be the standard US Army design of WWII. There were at least 42 railway-associated battalions in the Transportation Corps in WWII (I have a book that tells me this), 39 of which were railway operating battalions. Each battalion was associated with a particular railroad, presumably built around a cadre of experienced personnel from that line.

  • @chicagolandrailroader
    @chicagolandrailroader 16 дней назад +391

    If there's one thing I learned from this, it's that trains don't actually need rails to run. Track was just invented by rail manufacturers to sell more rails.

    • @oriontaylor
      @oriontaylor 16 дней назад +55

      It’s a conspiracy by Big Rail.

    • @PowerTrain611
      @PowerTrain611 16 дней назад +28

      "We don't need rails where we're going!!"

    • @andrewwillms8043
      @andrewwillms8043 16 дней назад +35

      There's actually a case where the Canadian National railway offered one of their diesels to be used as a generator for a Quebec town during an ice storm. They picked the locomotive up, rotated 90 degrees and ran it on the asphalt down main Street where they plugged it into the hospital.

    • @PowerTrain611
      @PowerTrain611 16 дней назад +19

      @@andrewwillms8043 See? It's like I said. We don't need rails where we're going... Because we're going to the hospital!

    • @kornaros96
      @kornaros96 16 дней назад +4

      ​@@PowerTrain611exactly, look at the Aussies

  • @CRTRailway
    @CRTRailway 16 дней назад +257

    Meanwhile, if there's the smallest little bump in my HO track, the whole consist falls off like the economy in 1929

    • @IsaacBaxter
      @IsaacBaxter 16 дней назад +25

      If the coupler doesn't fail first

    • @CelestialCaboose2472
      @CelestialCaboose2472 16 дней назад +11

      I have a nice consist of southern pacific heavyweights & they instantly derail if they go over any kind of zig-zag in the track really limits what I can do layout wise.

    • @davidwhiting1761
      @davidwhiting1761 16 дней назад +3

      @@CelestialCaboose2472 Are they just too light?

    • @JamesJohnson-pb1ph
      @JamesJohnson-pb1ph 16 дней назад +3

      Same on my n gauge track

    • @user-zp9bz4bj3i
      @user-zp9bz4bj3i 16 дней назад +4

      Don't forget the slightest gap in between the track that likes to short your train out

  • @oriontaylor
    @oriontaylor 16 дней назад +104

    ‘The OSS intends to continue experimental operations.’ Translation: ‘We all had fun using explosives and playing with trains and will continue until there is no possible excuse for further work. We’ll film it for science.’

    • @sparepartssparepartsempori519
      @sparepartssparepartsempori519 16 дней назад +12

      Alternatively, "We came here to wreck a locomotive and come hell or high water we aren't leaving till we do!"

    • @TheLtVoss
      @TheLtVoss 15 дней назад +7

      The difference between fucking around and science is that you write down that you see happens 🤷

    • @CDROM-lq9iz
      @CDROM-lq9iz 15 дней назад +2

      @@TheLtVoss dammit I was gonna say that!

    • @Taladar2003
      @Taladar2003 14 дней назад +1

      @@TheLtVoss Not just that, in science you also speculate what might happen first, so basically like a betting pool before you fuck around.

  • @HamStrains
    @HamStrains 16 дней назад +123

    You just get Norfolk Southern to buy out the railroad concerned and bingo, derailment should happen pretty soon.
    War is a terrible thing.

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  16 дней назад +38

      Ugh. Too real.

    • @rodchallis8031
      @rodchallis8031 16 дней назад +12

      pfft. what's a little anhydrous ammonia amongst friends?

    • @HamStrains
      @HamStrains 16 дней назад +14

      @@rodchallis8031 it's the trace amounts of phosgene that really say "I care about you" in a friendship 🥺

    • @JackNelson-TheIHman
      @JackNelson-TheIHman 16 дней назад +7

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@rodchallis8031mmm anhydrous ammonia my favorite snack

    • @johndeere7245
      @johndeere7245 16 дней назад +3

      @@Hyce777 You can bet in any business, when a fund buys a business to strip all the equity out of it and refuses to reinvest in it, shit will go south in a hurry. It is all the worse in a business as capital intensive as railroading that has so much infrastructure that has to be maintained. Vulture capitalism has been the death of many a business.

  • @StupidStuff135
    @StupidStuff135 16 дней назад +46

    Us army: it's essentially impossible to derail a train
    Norfolk southern: hold my beer

  • @bradenkilby
    @bradenkilby 16 дней назад +82

    A cool thing about the engine used is that is we have two of her sisters, as she’s former N&W No.4 and we still have 6 & 7. Which is a pretty cool bit of trivia imp.

    • @HT1945-ix4ey
      @HT1945-ix4ey 16 дней назад +11

      Three actually, we have #11 too, She is in Saltville Virginia.

  • @greggorytame6672
    @greggorytame6672 16 дней назад +161

    WW2 train: I can cross entire gaps of missing track and still be fine 👈😎👈
    Modern train: axle bearing too hot 😢

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  16 дней назад +90

      Thing that hold frame to wheel being liquid does seem to not want to hold wheel to frame anymore, to be fair.

    • @wta1518
      @wta1518 16 дней назад +17

      @@Hyce777 Should I call an ambulance? You seem to be having a stroke.

    • @phillyphakename1255
      @phillyphakename1255 16 дней назад +9

      ​@@wta1518steel too hot, glows red. Jet fuel can't shrink fit steel wheels.

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 16 дней назад +8

      To be fair, there were a lot more hot axles in those days

    • @PowerTrain611
      @PowerTrain611 16 дней назад +4

      @@andrewreynolds4949 it's much worse when you add a puddle of oil and a piece of absorbent cloth to the mix

  • @kANGaming
    @kANGaming 16 дней назад +58

    Amazing what momentum can do and how much effort it takes to actually stop that momentum (or change trajectory)

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  16 дней назад +16

      Yes it is... Recall folks that momentum is just mass times velocity. So, trains do quite well in the mass department compared to a lot of things...

    • @kornaros96
      @kornaros96 16 дней назад +3

      ​@@Hyce777there's ships, but Archimedes takes care of them.

    • @PowerTrain611
      @PowerTrain611 16 дней назад

      something something objects in motion, something something one direction something something equal and opposite force...

    • @kornaros96
      @kornaros96 16 дней назад +2

      @@PowerTrain611 smells like Newton...

    • @PowerTrain611
      @PowerTrain611 16 дней назад

      @@kornaros96 🍎🍏

  • @KPen3750
    @KPen3750 16 дней назад +27

    Ive watches too many Mythbusters episodes in my life so i fully expected the narrator to go “well, the old iron horse just wouldnt wreck” (massive explosion from an artillery shell fired at the locomotive) “ahhhh much better”

  • @xenowreborn
    @xenowreborn 16 дней назад +11

    "WHY WON'T YOU DERAIL!?"
    "Several Dozen Tons of Steel Son, it enables me to maintain traction with the Ground and Carry my weight through your pitiful gaps...you Can't Derail me Jack!"

  • @HT1945-ix4ey
    @HT1945-ix4ey 16 дней назад +30

    Well ill be damned, the Locomotive in that video is a N&W G class.
    They are easily identifiable by their Specific Stacks, and the Bellpaire fireboxes, and VERY tall steam domes.
    3 of the class even survives.
    This was likely filmed at the Aberdeen Proving grounds in Maryland, Which was the main testing site for ALOT of things like this during WW2.

    • @mpf1947
      @mpf1947 16 дней назад +5

      The full film states at the beginning that it was tested on the Claiborne-Polk Miliary Railroad. Look that up, and you get Camp Claiborne in Louisiana.

    • @sambrown6426
      @sambrown6426 16 дней назад

      Damn, I thought it was something British. They definitely have that sort of look to them between the domes and fireboxes

    • @royreynolds108
      @royreynolds108 16 дней назад +4

      @@mpf1947 This is Fort Polk close to Leesville, LA. The Army wanted to buy a lumber company railroad at the beginning of WWII to blow up the tracks and trains and the company said NOPE. So the Army built its own railroad for the purpose. The base is still in operation and has rail service.

    • @MichaelStVitus
      @MichaelStVitus 5 дней назад

      @@royreynolds108Ft. Polk was where I spent my summer vacation in 1968. Basic training. Now it has been renamed by the woke world to Ft. Johnson or something. Great place for heat, humidity and mosquitos. Tiger Land!.

  • @soldierofhyrule5396
    @soldierofhyrule5396 16 дней назад +6

    This was actually filmed at a location called Camp Claiborne, it was a military camp in Central Louisiana, near the village of Forest Hill. The camp had its own railroad, the Claiborne and Polk. Which was also assisted by the local railroad, the Red River and Gulf, which is still slightly preserved in the near by Southern Forest Heritage Museum in Long Leaf Louisiana. Most of the artifacts found in Camp Claiborne is found here at the SFHM. There is essentially nothing left from Camp Claiborne, aside from a few concrete roads, and foundation. And the vast emptiness in the video is all but tall trees now. The Army stripped everything out upon the end of the war.

  • @cwyvern4861
    @cwyvern4861 16 дней назад +44

    Just send the crew of the submarine that sunk a train during WW2

    • @Johndoe-jd
      @Johndoe-jd 16 дней назад +10

      @@cwyvern4861 ah yes the time a steam engine took flight then learned the gravity exists.
      The USS Barb can sink any train.

    • @JamesJohnson-pb1ph
      @JamesJohnson-pb1ph 16 дней назад +5

      Oh right that happened.
      I forgor

    • @nathankisner8332
      @nathankisner8332 16 дней назад +7

      USS Barb

  • @user-Duckmaster22
    @user-Duckmaster22 16 дней назад +11

    This is how the ES&D will save on track construction cost.

  • @CelestialCaboose2472
    @CelestialCaboose2472 16 дней назад +21

    8 year old me building jumps for my lego trains be like.

  • @GP30_Foamer
    @GP30_Foamer 16 дней назад +30

    I remember watching this for the first time at around seven years old and I just remember being so dumbfounded at how a gap that big couldn’t throw the engine off, I was also thoroughly disappointed because tiny me wanted to see an earth shattering kaboom lol

  • @rodchallis8031
    @rodchallis8031 16 дней назад +11

    T.S. Lawrence: "You could have just asked me, you know." U.S. Military: "You were a little bit dead by 1945".

    • @kornaros96
      @kornaros96 16 дней назад +3

      You mentioned TE Lawrence, I shall mention the lyrics:
      _As the darkness falls and Arabia calls one man spreads his wings and the battle begins_
      _May the land lay claim on to Lawrence's name seven pillars of wisdom light the flame_

  • @Johndoe-jd
    @Johndoe-jd 16 дней назад +136

    It depends. Give the Seabees some booze and it would be done within three feet.

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  16 дней назад +34

      They'd find a way. Lmao!

    • @bow-tiedengineer4453
      @bow-tiedengineer4453 16 дней назад +27

      They'll just drag one end of the split rain a few inches one way, and the other end a few inches the other. That's what you really want, the rails to not line up anymore.

    • @Johndoe-jd
      @Johndoe-jd 16 дней назад +16

      @@Hyce777 i love being related to a Seabee. If you want i can get you some stories about what the navy's testing for trains.

    • @bene5431
      @bene5431 16 дней назад +7

      ​@@bow-tiedengineer4453This. Ideally bend them inwards so the wheel flanges end up on the wrong side of the rail

    • @nathankisner8332
      @nathankisner8332 16 дней назад +1

      No doubt!

  • @TrainMedia00
    @TrainMedia00 16 дней назад +29

    The locomotive: Hey look I made it through!
    The cars: 9:13

  • @PhillipBrodginski
    @PhillipBrodginski 16 дней назад +18

    I was hoping you'd get around to this video! One of my favorite "Messing around, for science we swear!" things the US military has done.

  • @CMDRSweeper
    @CMDRSweeper 16 дней назад +4

    Back at BNSF when you worked there (Before ES&D bought them out) you did complain about the bad trackage outside the shop...
    The reason it wasn't prioritized were probably this video...
    Bad ties? "No problem" "Slightly missing track? "They just get to test the suspension! Bonus feature!"

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  16 дней назад +2

      Pretty much. Lol

  • @alexcane6458
    @alexcane6458 16 дней назад +4

    IMHO it's the narration (tone particularly) that's a Chef's kiss in terms of communicating the message.

  • @OfficialDenverRioGrandeWestern
    @OfficialDenverRioGrandeWestern 16 дней назад +5

    This video simulates the best maintained RGS trackage

  • @cowboy_civ
    @cowboy_civ 16 дней назад +6

    Army: we need to derail a train? Remove some track well that didn't work
    YT community: Tell Hyce it's a video game he will get it done.
    This is one of my favorite videos. I have watched it multiple times.

  • @44R0Ndin
    @44R0Ndin 16 дней назад +6

    Thermite and a wood mold to cast a derail into the track out of the produced iron seems a much better bet than explosives.
    Or some easily transported method to BEND the rails into a derail profile, and then spiking it so that the train doesn't simply unbend it.

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise 16 дней назад

      The thing is, that all takes specialized knowledge and tools and resources.
      Some random GIs or local insurgent group are already going to have access to explosives and the training to use it for all kinds of purposes

  • @mfbfreak
    @mfbfreak 16 дней назад +8

    I guess you need to blow a hole in the track, and then hammer one of the rails towards the centre of the track, so it catches the flange on the wrong side.

    • @SVSportscars
      @SVSportscars 14 дней назад +1

      My thought exactly, that should work, might be hard to do. but it should make sure it derails.

  • @heronimousbrapson863
    @heronimousbrapson863 16 дней назад +3

    Maybe this is why the saboteurs of the kwai river line in WW II blew up the bridge?

    • @davidty2006
      @davidty2006 16 дней назад

      turns out turning bridge into canyon for the train is alot easier than trying to throw it into the dirt...

  • @Knsgf
    @Knsgf 16 дней назад +6

    Reminds me of Englewood Railway accident, where a string of log cars broke loose on an incline, got knocked off a track by a derail, then managed to rerail itself at the switch after the derail and rolled downhill unrestrained, eventually slamming into a parked speeder.

    • @sambrown6426
      @sambrown6426 16 дней назад

      Well that's fascinating, I'll have to look into that.

  • @onnelli
    @onnelli 16 дней назад +14

    Surprisingly, not a lot of Kenosha in this one!

    • @MegaLokopo
      @MegaLokopo 16 дней назад +1

      If they played the right music maybe the train would have crashed sooner.

  • @lucashinch
    @lucashinch 16 дней назад +3

    Shreveport, LA. summer of 87' bored with pennies and RR gravel we decided to try a dozen or so orphaned RR spikes lined up in a row. The traction wheels squeezed. fragmented and exploded into and off the gravel. I can still remember the ringing sound as one of those spikes went flying flying over our heads as we foolishly watched from the woods nearby.
    It didn't phase that train one bit but I learned a valuable lesson.
    Get away...

  • @oriontaylor
    @oriontaylor 16 дней назад +3

    Another film you might consider a reaction video for was called ‘The Mole,’ also OSS from the same period (and is on the Charlie Dean Archives YT channel). It’s about a nifty photoelectric sensor attached to an explosive with the intent of causing derailments in tunnels. I’d love to know if they ever made it into service before the war ended.

  • @Sigil_Firebrand
    @Sigil_Firebrand 16 дней назад +1

    I remember seeing War Trains at my local navy museum, with the director and narrator there. I have a signed VHS set somewhere at home. This was always one of my favourite segments of Subvert and Destroy.
    As an edit: War Trains was a 3 part series, and you can still get it on DVD, I can't recommend it more, so many interesting videos like this one are in it.

  • @malcolmmackenzie9202
    @malcolmmackenzie9202 16 дней назад +8

    I remember you talking about this a while ago with kan. It's very interesting how much a train can take and stay on the rails.

  • @SternLX
    @SternLX 16 дней назад +2

    Engineer see's 60" Gap... "Aaaah shit! We're in the dirt... oope, never mind."

  • @warmstrong5612
    @warmstrong5612 16 дней назад +16

    Knowing the kind of shoddy track that trains even today can run on, I'm not the least bit surprised that a gap in straight track means nothing to them.

    • @kornaros96
      @kornaros96 16 дней назад

      And nowadays locomotives have maximum 12 wheels. back then they could have 14 coupled

  • @Nderak
    @Nderak 16 дней назад +6

    2:06 one of the big lessons we learned from WW2 was the need to practice in minute detail any and every little bit of tactics and warfare. in the last big war games before the conflict began one of the changes was going from simulating things on paper (company 5 stopped and check their transmission oil) to doing it IRL where they found it took much longer and then could be done differently to improve many processes.

  • @SeanJAnimations
    @SeanJAnimations 16 дней назад +2

    This was a really interesting video to watch honestly. Really interesting to see the forces those bogies can take, especially just bouncing directly on the ties, and even the engine not coming off, like goddamn

  • @lonestarlocomotive7467
    @lonestarlocomotive7467 16 дней назад +2

    I love how I watched that video on its own the night before because you mentioned it and now I see this pop up. It was fate.

  • @Bassotronics
    @Bassotronics 16 дней назад +5

    And trains in the U.S. every week derailing on straight track for no reason...

    • @jaysmith1408
      @jaysmith1408 16 дней назад +1

      Yeah, broken rail my foot. Couple years ago, a broken rail on tangent track got containers in the streetcar station.

    • @jamesphillips2285
      @jamesphillips2285 16 дней назад +1

      Two words: poor maintenance.
      (repost because RUclips was showing double posts on my end, but deleting one deleted both.)

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 16 дней назад +2

      Often it’s actually in-train slack forces. Those are a lot more troublesome with mile-long trains

  • @traincrazymotive
    @traincrazymotive 16 дней назад +5

    Hoh, good memes
    It's always a good day when Hyce uploads.

  • @CDROM-lq9iz
    @CDROM-lq9iz 16 дней назад +1

    I've told many people that it is equally impressive how well this stuff stays on the rail, and how easy it is to make something hit the ground.
    Hell im pretty sure during the "Crazy Eights" runaway, a portable derail was used and whole consist just jumped right over it.
    Meanwhile, a quarter inch gap on a switch point is great at putting things in the dirt.

    • @davidty2006
      @davidty2006 16 дней назад

      wasn't crazy 8 going like very fast over the derail?
      probably ended up breaking it.

    • @CDROM-lq9iz
      @CDROM-lq9iz 16 дней назад

      @@davidty2006 Bingo. Idk how fast it was going when it hit the derail, but it likely either broke the derail or just jumped right over it.
      Derails are only really effective at low speeds for the same reason the trains in the video stayed on the track. Momentum is a heck of a thing.

  • @jimfisher7324
    @jimfisher7324 16 дней назад +1

    Remember this OSS type stuff is limited in long term impact unless it is on a bridge and the crash destroys the bridge. An on tanker told me what the third army did. They had a big hook on the back of a tank. They would drive down the track with the hook ripping out the ties. A few miles of this and the railroad would be out of commission until some major work was done.

  • @highballfreight8532
    @highballfreight8532 16 дней назад +1

    I’d LOVE a test like that. I can even think of some ‘in service’ engines I could bring for it….

  • @inotsmarty5700
    @inotsmarty5700 16 дней назад +1

    I remember Hyce talking about this years ago, exited to finally see it!

    • @inotsmarty5700
      @inotsmarty5700 16 дней назад

      That was amazing to see that ol' iron stay on.

  • @TheSmokyMountain1495
    @TheSmokyMountain1495 16 дней назад

    These tests have had me excited since you first mentioned them. Thanks for covering this!

  • @patricksheary2219
    @patricksheary2219 14 дней назад +1

    Hi Mark this was an absolutely hilarious eye opener! If I saw that in a Hollywood movie I’d have not believed it! I’d think typical movie making fiction! But like you said Mark momentum and weight all make for just a bumpy glide over the rail abyss for choo choo! OMG! Professor so enjoy your commentary; thanks for this latest learning video and, as always, cheers to you!

  • @osageorangegaming5128
    @osageorangegaming5128 16 дней назад +1

    This was an interesting thing to watch; I thought much the same. Of course, the 4005 accident in 1953 shows that curves (even in a smaller setting of a switch in this particular reference) do tend to be 'good' spots for such things to occur.

  • @44R0Ndin
    @44R0Ndin 16 дней назад +3

    From my understanding of basic physics, the best time to blow up a section of rail to guarantee a derailment is when the heaviest part of the train is bearing down on the section of rail that has the explosives on it. That way you damage the most highly stressed part of the train AND the rail at the same time.
    The idea is that any damaged train prevents passage of any undamaged train, even if that undamaged train could have maybe made it over the damaged rail.
    Target the locomotive, AND the rail, at the same time. Or you know, just wait for a train to go by and poke a hole in the boiler with a Bazooka. Instantly disabled, even if it DOES stay on the tracks it ain't movin.

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 16 дней назад +2

      Wrecking the track means it’s a lot harder to just push the wrecked train aside to get the line open. For best results, do it in a tunnel!

    • @44R0Ndin
      @44R0Ndin 16 дней назад

      @@andrewreynolds4949 Absolutely, but my whole point was "get the best bang for your buck by timing the rail demolition to the time when a train is passing over those rails", that way the enemy has to deal with a train that is more damaged than what would happen with just derailing it, due to the explosion that separated the rails.
      I do realize that at the end of my comment I kinda wandered off target, I tend to do that frequently because I have ADHD.

    • @Pentium100MHz
      @Pentium100MHz 16 дней назад

      The problem is that you need to wait for the train and you may not know when it is coming. Oh, and you are behind enemy lines, so you may get discovered before you did any damage.
      So, blow the track up and get out. You may be able to cause a derailment or at least the enemy will have to repair the track.
      This also applies to resistance members in occupied territory - you probably do not want to spend too much time near the track.

    • @44R0Ndin
      @44R0Ndin 16 дней назад +1

      @@Pentium100MHz
      Right, I get that, I suppose that means you rig the charge so that it has a pressure sensor attached to the rails. These days it's pretty easy, just put an AT mine under the sleeper, but back in WWII you'd rig up the track so that the train passing sets off the charge. Automation solves the need to be present!

    • @andrewreynolds4949
      @andrewreynolds4949 16 дней назад +1

      @@44R0Ndin Of course! Battlefield or other conditions might not always permit that though, much like 'do it on a curve'. But blowing up a passing train as it enters a tunnel on a curve would be the dream

  • @c182SkylaneRG
    @c182SkylaneRG 6 дней назад

    I saw this video a few years ago, and my main reaction was "I wish my model trains were that resilient"

  • @Arkay315
    @Arkay315 16 дней назад +7

    Just a switch derailed a big boy,
    A bunch of explosives took out the tender of a little 2-8-0
    Yeah makes sense.

    • @SamSammy-cb8nr
      @SamSammy-cb8nr 16 дней назад +2

      The big boy was also going a lot faster off of a curve if I remember correctly

    • @Arkay315
      @Arkay315 16 дней назад +1

      @@SamSammy-cb8nr I know, it was a joke. Satire doesn't always translate digitally very well.

    • @davidty2006
      @davidty2006 16 дней назад

      Even then the engine would be back in service in no time.

  • @Hackanhacker
    @Hackanhacker 15 дней назад

    This should be interestimg for any type of train enjoyer !!!
    Thats such a cool video / tests

  • @Niklas.K95
    @Niklas.K95 16 дней назад +2

    There was simply not enough whisky involved

  • @JarheadCrayonEater
    @JarheadCrayonEater 16 дней назад

    This video is like The Fat Electrician and a train had a baby. It's brilliant!

  • @shimesu443
    @shimesu443 15 дней назад

    That poor old 2-8-0 was like "Can I go home now! How many times do I gotta run this crap?"

  • @mxg75
    @mxg75 12 дней назад

    The Navy had no problems derailing a train. The USS Barb sent a team ashore in Japan to plant one of the submarine’s scuttling charges under the track, and wired it up with a pressure switch. When the next train came by a few minutes later, it went sky high. The landing party were still rowing back to the submarine, they started to double time it.
    I think the secret is to not use your explosives until the locomotive is over it.

  • @jameswooldridge363
    @jameswooldridge363 15 дней назад

    Crew of the USS Barb: "Got it, use the scuttling charge."

  • @Doctor_Jekyll
    @Doctor_Jekyll 16 дней назад +3

    USS Barb called. They sunk a train (technically)

    • @nathankisner8332
      @nathankisner8332 16 дней назад +2

      If you havent read Thunder Below, it one of the best books writen on WW2 by the Barbs skipper.

  • @Dan_Gyros
    @Dan_Gyros 14 дней назад

    Thats incredibly cool! Helluva thing, momentum!

  • @HATECELL
    @HATECELL 13 дней назад

    How the explosives are applied can also make a large difference on the damage they do. I saw an old video from the Swiss army where they used hand grenades against rails. In the first test they just placed the grenade next to it, and barely anything happened. In the next test they tied it to the rail (it was a stick-shaped HG 43 for those wondering) with a bit of wire. This time they managed to blow the rail apart (although after seeing this video I doubt a train would've noticed)

  • @mightyocelot
    @mightyocelot 16 дней назад

    Fun fact, the first ever train to fly flew in WWII, and was promptly sunk. USS Barb submarine is still the only submarine to ever be credited for sinking a train

  • @ron_con
    @ron_con 13 дней назад

    Caught that old video at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum a few days ago. Weird coincidence. LOL

  • @KH990j
    @KH990j 16 дней назад

    In the rest of that video they showcase the European style trains of that time where most cars only had two rigid axles and were easily prone to derail. That explains why the rest of world eventually designed their train trucks similar to North American standard.
    There's also another video from the time that demonstrates an explosive that has a photovoltaic fuse (essentially a light sensor) that was attached to a coupler. It would arm after entering a tunnel, due to lack of light, and would detonate when the train exited the tunnel as the light entering the sensor would trigger the fuse.

  • @YurtFerguson
    @YurtFerguson 16 дней назад

    Just knowing how much weight is there and watching steel on steel hit like that, it almost makes my soul leave my body knowing just how hard of a force that would have felt being on that locomotive

  • @anthonycook5238
    @anthonycook5238 16 дней назад

    Been waiting for this !

  • @Tyron-fc8wv
    @Tyron-fc8wv 16 дней назад

    I always learn more things about trains from you

  • @douglasboyle6544
    @douglasboyle6544 14 дней назад

    As a former Army Combat Engineer of the 21st Century, I gotta go dig out my Demolitions Handbook and see just what the modern schema is for rail demolition.

  • @bowserjrrules8162
    @bowserjrrules8162 16 дней назад

    Oh, my crew trainer showed us this in our new hire orientation!

  • @ROBERTNABORNEY
    @ROBERTNABORNEY 16 дней назад +2

    Probably done on the "Crime and Punishment" - the Claiborne and Polk Military Railroad early in in World War Twice

  • @donl1410
    @donl1410 16 дней назад

    Amazing! Thar cracked me up 🤣

  • @alyx8522
    @alyx8522 16 дней назад

    I can imagine a French resistance fighter blowing a big chunk of rail out and watching as it continues on just fine

  • @slicksouth5773
    @slicksouth5773 16 дней назад

    That engineers got a pair, thats for sure.

  • @Damien.D
    @Damien.D 16 дней назад

    Should have asked us French. 60cm gauge trench railways were massively used in WWI, carrying ammo and troops on temporary badly laid tracks, and these things are close to impossible to derail.
    Some of the same kind of railways are still use in harsh condition in sugar cane plantations in indo pacific islands. The amount of abuse these systems can take is tremendous .They actually runs trains on straights with no rails at all.

  • @Surkai25
    @Surkai25 16 дней назад +1

    Gritted my teeth watching what those poor trucks went through every time they hit the edge. That's a rough ride!

    • @LynxSnowCat
      @LynxSnowCat 16 дней назад

      I'm wondering how much of that equipment went back into service after being put into storage.
      (and if any of it is still in use today on some excepted class) )

  • @CyarSkirata
    @CyarSkirata 16 дней назад

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, momentum is a hell of a drug.

  • @rgsrrofnc
    @rgsrrofnc 14 дней назад

    "Something has gone wrong again." I think that's a Hyce-ism. 🙂

  • @Redshirt214
    @Redshirt214 16 дней назад +2

    Ah! I love this film!

  • @BigGoucho
    @BigGoucho 16 дней назад

    This is unashamed geekery which I’m completely here for! 🍺🍻

  • @therailfanman2078
    @therailfanman2078 16 дней назад

    "Hey part of the tracks missing"
    "Is it a straight section?"
    "Yes"
    "Is the ground still there?"
    "Yes"
    "Put her fill throttle shes good for 50"

  • @likesanddislikesetc
    @likesanddislikesetc 15 дней назад

    I survived a cornfield meet- derailed right quick. But that army video is cool!

  • @TwinLitz2
    @TwinLitz2 16 дней назад

    I love watching these

  • @JeredtheShy
    @JeredtheShy 14 дней назад

    I like the cheeky tone they take in the original film, but the way they delivered voiceover back then was so dry it's hard to tell he's yanking your chain, because he knows that train isn't going to derail.

  • @bluescrew3124
    @bluescrew3124 16 дней назад

    This is insane!

  • @Shipwright1918
    @Shipwright1918 16 дней назад

    Reminds me of some of the behind the scenes footage of the 2nd Zorro movie with Antonio Banderas.
    For the big climax of the movie with a runaway train full of nitroglycerin, the final scene was done with models as using the real deal they'd dressed up for the movie was a no-go for obvious reasons.
    Anywho, the special effects team lead for the scene said it was actually very difficult to get the train to derail like they wanted it to, hitting the earthen mound at the end of the track and rolling over into a big pile-up and explosion, touched off by the nitro blowing up from the jolt followed shortly thereafter by the boiler letting go.
    They specifically mentioned that steam locos are really good at keeping their center of gravity on the wheels, and they had to resort to using weights high up in the models to throw off their balance as well as a few other tricks, as for the first try or two the train just wanted to keep rolling straight in a line through the dirt upright after coming off the tracks instead of rolling over and accordioning together.

  • @nw611J
    @nw611J 16 дней назад

    This was awesome Mark you really don’t think ahoy it until you see it. By any chance do you know what areas base that film was made at?

  • @kainhall
    @kainhall 16 дней назад

    9:09 probably had a LIGHT fire... just enough to run the air comp to keep the brakes off

  • @Satchmoeddie
    @Satchmoeddie 9 дней назад

    The WWII OSS also had exploding coal. A partisan resistance operative would get exploding lump coal and a paint kit so they could make the exploding coal match the coal in the bunker(s) at the railroad. They would grab some sample coal, paint up the exploding to match and chuck it all back in a bunker to be loaded into a tender, or a furnace or a ??.

  • @Grady135
    @Grady135 16 дней назад

    Awesome video… as usual! Just curious if you will be returning to Railroads Online? Maybe with Kan… ? 🤨

  • @magiccarpetmadeofsteel4564
    @magiccarpetmadeofsteel4564 15 дней назад

    Tbh, I think the main takeaway a commando or someone else who’d sabotage a train would be to either do the rails on a curve, or if that’s not possible, rig the explosives to a pressure switch or the like.
    I’ve seen this video myself, and I was blown away by how hard it was to derail it. IIRC, I decided you’d be best off rigging the explosives to deform the track, instead of just removing it.

  • @LanesTrains
    @LanesTrains 15 дней назад

    Where I work we play this video in our exhibit building so watching this is giving me PTSD

  • @neiloflongbeck5705
    @neiloflongbeck5705 16 дней назад

    Considering the diameter of the wheels, I wasn't surprised that a 12in gap had minimal effect at these speeds. As for the third test, the 36in gap, it goes to show just how little suspension a steam locomotive has built in to it and just how much the trackbed does to give a smooth ride.

  • @leechowning2712
    @leechowning2712 16 дней назад

    We need a bigger video of these... but considering the state of affairs worldwide, that would be like doing videos on the US army improv munitions guide.

  • @brassphoenix1717
    @brassphoenix1717 15 дней назад

    Hey hyce i was part of the US Army 757th railway expeditionary center, what was once the Army's great railway operational battalions. Sadly a shadow of its former self. I highly recommend reading into the US Army's railroad history especially during WW2. If you ever get a chance to go to Fort Eustice, the training grounds for Army rail, they also have a great little museum full of the history of army railroading.

  • @jackr2287
    @jackr2287 15 дней назад

    This footage was going around in war game communities for a little while. Impressively difficult to derail simply by moving the tracking was something.
    I suspect if you removed a shorter piece and removed ballast you could just topple it to its side. More than anything else, destroying the locomotives would really harm an enemy, even if the cargo remains intact.

  • @rgsrrofnc
    @rgsrrofnc 14 дней назад

    I'm sure I mentioned one of my derailments at Lakeside with the #18, about 3 decades ago on the 4th of July, the busiest day of the year.
    On the curve to come along Harlan, the rails spread. Since it was busy, we were running a little faster than we usually did (12 minutes per trip compared to the 15 normally.) The locomotive cleared but the front truck of the tender derailed. Luckily the coaches remained on the tracks. Water and coal bounced everywhere. All I could do is keep the train stretched as I rolled to a stop to prevent the A/V forces popping a coach truck off.
    When we brought the #17 up to hook on to my train to pull it back, she slowly walked across the bad track and as the rails spread, she slowly sunk down between the rails. The Master Mechanic was panicked and thought we would have to rerail her too. But I just had John horse her over and he backed her back up on the tracks. I mean it was the perfect rerailer there...
    So it's the momentum more than anything which overcomes the forces of bad track.
    The diesel arrived shortly after backing all the way around to where I was. And after walking the passengers back to the other train (#17's) they backed to the depot and we used lining bars and blocks and popped the #18's lead tender truck back on. The mechanics then drove additional spikes into the non-existent ties and they shut down steam for the rest of the day. I pointed out the diesel's trucks were gauged differently (1/4" wide) and would spread the rail more than the steam train's. So I spent the rest of the day sitting on my #18 keeping her warm and eventually, I watched fireworks off in the distance while sitting on the cab roof.
    The next day after working my paying job I stopped by to see that they dug out 30 feet of track and replaced the ties (poorly of course.) They also decided to swap out the rails. Not going with NEW rails but they swapped them around - by turning the individual rails around. These are rails which have been in that curve for half a century at least. They are curved. What happens when you turn a curved rail around? All the curve is at the joints (at the fish plates.) So they had an extremely superelevated outer rail (1" with 22" gauge) with all the curve bend at the joints. I would have to brace myself on the fireman's side with my feet on the engineer side to keep from sliding off. BAM. BAM. BAM. 3 hard lurches to the right at each fish plate.
    After this, I got away from doing much with the railroad (my friend John and I were actually working on the big tower there getting it repaired where 2 men with no budget, old ropes, and sheer bravery could.) The following year I was done, never returned to work there on the railroad again. They broke both steam locomotive frames and I think the diesel took damage too.
    A few years later I visited with my wife, my friend John and his wife and we rode the railroad and yep, that track was STILL trash. And to this day, steam is dead there. All because they had a moron master mechanic who didn't move the outer rail to the inside and the insider rail to the outside so they would remain curved the right direction and the other, unworn, side of the ball of the rail could be used. This is the same moron master mechanic who made a special track measuring device (took a day to make it) welded up nicely and all. It was a l-shaped device with rollers on the left side and a measuring "rod" across to the other rail. A long handle allows you to push it. He did this to spite me telling him the track is wide. You can see the tender truck hunt side to side so you KNOW it's wide. He said only a couple places were wide. I asked him where he measured to make his mark on his measuring stick that went across. He showed me where he put it on the tracks at the water tower and made a chalk mark. I pulled out my tape measure and measured. 23" OOPS. He just looked at it. Picked up his rod and left. Didn't say a word. Didn't fix the track either.

    • @Hyce777
      @Hyce777  14 дней назад +1

      Oh yowza. Yeah steam is still dead there. Too bad, really, it'd be so neat. They have more track than we do. Sounds like a real special basket case of a "master mechanic". Jeez.

  • @stevemellin5806
    @stevemellin5806 16 дней назад

    I've watched the film lots of times .It takes a big section of rail . great film

  • @ahzee4942
    @ahzee4942 16 дней назад

    Thats crazy and amazing

  • @ZergSmasher
    @ZergSmasher 15 дней назад

    I have to think that gyroscopic action helps keep the wheels going the same direction (conservation of angular momentum and all that). It would make the wheels resistant to turning suddenly. It's possible that the weight of the loco/cars overwhelms this but I would think it would help keep the train on the track in the event of missing rail.

  • @aaronwilkinson8963
    @aaronwilkinson8963 15 дней назад

    I work on the UK railway and I would just need a Hammer to knock out the Pandrol Clips or if the Fast clips I would use a heel bar. take enough clips out and nothing is holding the Rail to the Sleeper train comes along the Rail gauge is forced to widen and the wheel drops into the 4 foot. You could mess around with the points and the signals.

  • @Vickyvee97
    @Vickyvee97 8 дней назад

    It really does make wonder how bad American's infrastructure is to cause so many train wrecks considering how hard it is to derail a train. Great video Hyce!