I'm very used to you from you and the crew's coverage of Disney's recent tomfoolery (to put it lightly), but I'm pleasantly surprised to see you weighing in on this situation my dude! Keep up the good work!
6 hours. in that 6 hours he absolutely dismantled all the arguments and deflections of the "Nijisanji Defense Force" and gave detailed and concise reviews of the topics regarding Selen/Doki and AnyColor. Very impressive guy.
I watched him live. What i like about him is he try to be impartial. He add niji lawyers perspective and also criticize doki's laywer that they can actually do more to protect dokibird. And i also love how 39daph text and that article from dox site really got destroyed easily.
I mean, that's what to be expected from a clash between an emotionally charged, unprofessional, desperate defence piece to a thorough breakdown done by a professional with adequate experience and background
@@iJakkuI dunno. The rrats says it's more like a shadow managements instead of actually being manager, because the managements from Niji themselves can't speak English. When one of their former most popular male livers were stuck on 350k USD debt, you know the management f-ing s*cks.
“Keeping Selen Tatsuki’s physical and mental health in mind” During the time of this document’s release, Selen was hospitalized from multiple attempts on her own life, resulting from mistreatment she endured as a liver.
This is the statement I would have done if I was Niji. "After creative disagreements with Selen Tatsuki, we and Selen have decided to part ways, we wish her the best in her future endeavors." Then a list on what's going to happen to the content and merch currently on sale and in the pipeline. That's it.
Surprisingly word for word similar to the Hololive Mel's letter. They parted amicably, Mel is still mentioned fondly by her genmates today and even featured in some video recently. Wonder why they cant just learn from cover corp smh..
@@zeroanimation3956 I kinda refuse to believe there's someone inside Niji(management or not) so aggressively malicious, but man, it's kinda hard to keep this line of thought after all of this.
Anycolor stock increase today Cover stock decrease along side with Anycolor last week due to Japanese economy in general Well it seems like his yacht will be just fine
The think that probably sink fast is anything outside the JP Branch. But they are Japanese company and very popular one there so I doubt the backlash will be that big for the whole company, but definitely big for EN and anything outside the JP realm
The reason why NIJISANJI made such perplexing moves on both public relations and legal fronts today, I believe, primarily boils down to the following two points: 1.They severely lack expertise in the oversea (English-speaking) world legal affairs and public relations. 2.They mistakenly believe they can manipulate public opinion by using tactics commonly seen in Japan to suppress unfavorable information. Just like the recent scandal involving sexual assault within Johnny's, which only surfaced in the last year or two, the leading figures in Japan's industry are accustomed to using their influence as an excuse to suppress or cancel factors that are detrimental to themselves.
To be more specific, they mistakenly believe they can manipulate _western_ public opinion. All of this is working fairly well on the Japanese community unfortunately. When you are raised in a culture where Corporations are treated as literal gods it's very easy for them to take that side.
1st one is plausible since Anycolor (then Ichikara) tried expanding the Nijisanji brand overseas back in 2018 with China and Taiwan, but failed in 2019. 2nd one... it'll take some whistleblower within Anycolor to spill the beans regarding the gross mismanagement.
The major issue here is that they fired someone in the middle of a mental health crisis who had sent them documents through her lawyer. They fired her while she was in the process of what you might call an HR complaint about management and other creators under contract. She sent them document, they fired her, gave other creators access to the document she filed through her lawyer, and THEN made her mental health issues public through their statement to justify her termination. This is absolutely insane behavior.
For Vtubing companies, posting a public contract termination for the fans is probably the norm. However, this is the first time I have seen a termination that was issued FIRST to the public and not to her. She straight up said she was as clueless as anyone else. The fact that the company listed their dirty laundry in the termination notice is even worse as they should have just give her the termination notice, then issue a public termination notice without any unnecessary legal stuff that is shown in this notice. In the best way possible, they should have just said she broke NDA in some kind and left the rest to the legal team.
Wactor was the worst company on vtubing industry but Niji is doing the exact same just without the dox 💀 posting a long ahh text calling them out, trying to leech out of them until the merch is over while making them waste money on lawyers for problems of their own fault and then bringing meat shields to cry on stream while they throw them under the bus. It's incredible the unprofessionalism
even worse, they announced the termination 2 hours after she sent them the "private" document about her mental health. where she told them she was bullied and made an attempt
Risa / Rima? Anyway, i was surprised too when i woke up and find out that a real lawyer reviewing Doki's case on stream. Ofc the vtuber news & drama channel (i hate to refer them as "drama channel", but can't find better word for it) will be interested.
@@velvetra29Rima Evenstar is more of an analytical channel that details drama within the vtuber community with her video essays. Funny Parrot Man is also a news channel - he reports on /vt/ schizo posting kek.
@@ResidentWeevil2077 I should have refer to them as "commentary channel". Found the word. I like Rima's content for they feel well researched. Parrot is hilarious lol.
He only usually does 1 hour streams but it almost went 6 hours with max of 6k live viewers. He just started down the rabbit hole and will do a part 2. And then maybe even other vtuber legal issues like zaion or rushia later. He tore apart nijisanji arguement and their PR disasters. He started impartial but within 1 hour he was swearing at anycolor. The elira, vox, ike statement really peeved him off
If someone to told me that Niji management is full of nepo hires or people with "black marks" from idol/pop industry i would believe it at this point. Cause while many people understand that situation is fuckup even by petty middle management corporate standard, they don't appreciate enough the fact that those decisions weren't stopped by their own legal/consult. Which is beyond ridiculous, regardless of culture/country company originates from.
A prevailing theory is that nijiEN management was non-existent, giving one of the talents an opportunity to perform those nepo-hires and basically form a clique in the EN branch that basically runs the show.
I'm so happy a fellow lawyer is finally covering this. There are lawyers out there who are fans that have seen this situation but who don't have a platforn and well we don't really wanna, dox ourselves online. So really glad somebody is here to guide people on all the nuance.
The most important thing to remember about this drama is that Nijisanji did it to themselves. This isn't some typical drama where one person calls out another person and tries to cancel them. Selen/Doki had not said ANYTHING before the termination post. We the public did NOT KNOW that she was being bullied within in the company, let alone by other livers. NIJISANJI IS THE ONE WHO TOLD US THAT. It is genuinely unreal how insanely incompetent their PR/Legal tem is.
the prevailing theory is a complete failure in the comms department where somewhere along the way they thought the document that Selen sent them was the one that she was threatening to expose... how that mistake got made when it was the one she had them sign would only remain between those parties is just insane levels of incompetency but crisis mode sometimes makes literal underqualified, overworked, and underpaid management (have you SEEN their job listings) make really stupid mistakes Well that and also Japanese work culture is different
And there also nijisimps that said Doki/Selen the one being manipulative with her statement. Like bruh she never ever mentioned about it at all before they reveal it themselves
btw selen never accuse and blame another livers who are not involved or innocent, niji them self being delusional.stop being emotional and be rasional and logical
@@swordmaster4448 the theory there is that nibi thought doki was gonna publish the private legal document herself and so they tried to get ahead to spin the narrative in their favor. With doki never releasing anything it makes niji look really schizo.
Something I've seen people speculate is that the whole point is to make this so awful for Dokibird that other talents will feel like they can't go against the company.
And they actually cant go against company. Elira is working in japan under work visa (which she got because of niji). If she rebel and refuse to do what niji ask her to do - she will be fired (with black mark of contract breach), deported from jp and probably fined (common practice).
I was there during the live and safe to say, it was fun seeing someone with necessary credentials react to this whole situation. I was surprised to know that this dude is knowledgeable in other Vtuber agencies like Phase Connect and Holo
I watched that livestream just this morning. This dude legit roasted the Anti-GURRAT document and the Blackscreen stream far beyond well-done. Guess what? He's not done yet. He'll go over the 2nd GURRAT soon, at least from what I remember.
The issue with this whole thing is that is written so unprofessionaly almost sounds like some teenagers with a vendetta. As far as defamation and slander in Japan go. They dont care if someone has the proof in the world theyd still be found guilty lol read up their laws. Here's another proof of their black company tactics. Another recent graduated talent formerly known as pomu rainpuff had open her membership content for everyone. The only video that was privatized by Nijisanji was a membership video where pomu was crying venting her frustration about their management.
It took them almost 2 days to NOT respond before she posted a video, but TERMINATED HER CONTRACT WITHIN 2-3 hours when confidential documents sent by her lawyer. I think it's beyond unprofessional behavior. I just don't have right words.
@@darkly7378 No he can’t. His credibility as a lawyer is on the line every time he said something related to law. Saying the wrong thing could destroy the reputation he has built up and would potentially doom his entire lawyer career.
@@darkly7378 Say something is not the same as say anything. Everything he said has to have basis for it. He’s a lawyer, not a commentator. Commentator don’t get punished for the thing they said(unless it was slander), but lawyer does if proven wrong.
@@markconstance186 Wrong. What he done is commentary to publishec document, he just more qualified on subject then most, since topic related to his profession. Punished? Can you tell me any legal reason for it?
Watched it live. Was definetly interesting and recommend everybody to watch the Vod even though it's long it's also entertaining and definetly enlightening
yeah guys the law youtubers like legal mindset content is interesting, you have to be really invested in the specific topic though because - funny enough - a stream runs long when you're trying to read through filings or explain law to people like us who know nothing. You just have to bear in mind it is a long ride and the length is what it is.
There's a Canadian lawyer who's going to cover this issue tomorrow on his stream on the Canadian side of things. His channel is called *Runkle of the Bailey* This Nijisanji debacle is expanding like a black hole.
The thing about the termination notice I would like to point out, though, is that in the world of VTubing, where the talent is a very public-facing personality, and the fact that you can't just replace the actress/actor behind the avatar (they tried this years ago with Kizuna AI; it *did not* go well), firing the talent is the same as retiring and shelving the avatar. In that sense, it's necessary to post a termination/retirement notice, because fans *will* notice and unannounced/unexplained absences, as was the case with Selen suddenly going off the grid for over a month. Announcing a termination is standard practice in the VTubing world. What Nijisanji did *wrong*, however, was going into the stuff mentioned starting at 1:18. Contrast it to their biggest competitor in Japan, Cover Corp/hololive. Earlier in January, Cover had to terminate one of their original talents (as in someone who's been in the company since 2018, when the VTubing branch wasn't even a year old), Yozora Mel, but her termination notice was just a simple "She broke NDA, and it was a difficult decision, but we have decided to terminate our contract with her." That's it. No digging up dirt, just a simple announcement, and there legitimately appears to be no bad blood between everyone involved, just sadness and heartache over having to let go of such an esteemed member. The CEO and some staff members even posted farewell tweets, and Mel was allowed to tweet one last time to say goodbye to her fans even after her termination. It came as a shock, and a terrible day for fans, but no one held it against the company. Even when Uruha Rushia was terminated in 2022, which was a much messier affair due to a lot of factors, the termination notice itself was professional and intentionally vague, simply mentioned NDA being broken, again with no dirt or personal grievances aired in the announcement. It's such a massive contrast in reactions and steps taken that it's almost inevitable that the way the two companies handled these terminations so close to each other be compared.
Should compare it to Hololive's termination notice for Yozora Mel released a month prior to this mess. It was done with more tact and reverence for the talent versus the character assassinations that Niji posts on its terminated livers.
Hell, for the sake of comparing messy to messy, compare it to Rushia's. Even tho the Rushia graduation devolved in drama (mainly because people are crazy) Holo never said anything more than "She breached NDA, we're sorry"
Hey, I know this guy! His stream VOD got recommended to me but holy crap it was 6-7hrs long xD Man I subbed to you for the HoloID clips, and now I'm happy all over again that I'm subbed to you, thanks.
So something to note, the copyright permissions that she was missing was Nijisanji's. Because she used Niji livers in the music video she needed to get permission from the company and the individual niji livers in the video yet even then Niji couldn't get that done
It was simpler. It had nothing to do with rights. Vox revealed texts shows they just didn't like that graduated vtubers mysta and nina was in the music video. So that whole rights bs was a lie
@@kelvinw.1384 Its not a lie. She needed Niji to give rights, they didn't like having graduated talent in the video so they didn't wanna give the rights
Well from the screen shots of the Selen/Manager Conversation, it makes you wonder why having the Ex-livers appearing in the video mattered, since Niji should own the Copyright for the Models, and it was only Members that Graduated, unless they had to contact the ex-talents for some reason for permission to appear in a song?
somebody need to send this lawyer vod to 39IQDaph, this is the type of statement that we need to know from a legit person that learn and have work at lawyer, not some streamer "hey i have friend in niji so i know WHAT is happening" despite the case only between one partciluar liver with the company NOT liver with other livers AND the company
You really think she will changes when see this clip/vod with her biases from having friends in NijiEN. Studying for NASA is more easier than making a woman admitted she is wrong.
@@BryanNguyen125 yeah u right, there is a reason why she thought she can involve in this drama as outsider just because she have "friend" inside the company
Muta had a good point about this thing blowing up to the point the explosion is out of the rabbithole of vtubing This whole thing is THE absolute shit show for a company/corporation If a company is doing this bad at management and PR this shit is more than a simple drama
Omg. That’s literally what I was saying from the beginning and people always get mad at me because I’m distracting from the actual issue (?) I’m not completely sure, but what I always say is that all of the issues that Nijisanji first started having is when they made the EN branch because has been extremely obvious to me that they have no idea how things work in America and they needed to do their homework. At the core of everything- the problem is ignorance- but they are a powerful company and ignorance on this level can cause a lot of damage. Now…it is still completely Nijisanji’s fault, but the problems didn’t start with Selen or Zion, but I started seeing issues back around Yugo
@@TheDisquietingNight I’m not as certain with Yugo, (anyone can correct me if they want to), but I think that what happened was that Yugo had issues keeping up with streaming for personal issues and had to eventually quit because he could no longer keep up.
At this point, this will become a good case study on what NOT to do on a legal level. This is not just a vtubing/liver matter now. The whole situation offers a very unique perspective on different cultural and legal practices in an industry that is still on its way to popular culture. It sets precedents and offers structure for future companies alike.
You know I remember years ago I came across 39Daph's channel back when she was just a small time YTer and I recall one of her stream she had mentioned her illness and whatnot. At the time the image I got from the person was she's pretty reserve and perhaps even timid. I am aware that over the years her channel grew but was never really an avid watcher. Who would've thought that years later I would see news about her again and not even in a good way but then again it seems to be the same with many YTers you see over the years; you just see the obnoxious/nasty side of them that you never thought existed. Its like that Dark Knight quote some times: You either die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself the villain.
not necessarily for "criminology", but it is an excellent irl example for what a PR and legal nightmare a corporate could get in, by failling even the most basic approach.
Me too. It’s too bad that this one is a shit lawyer. The fact he thinks the statement issued by Niji is a legal termination notice and him agreeing that the mere reference to Selen’s “mental health” somehow rises to violating Canadian law is pretty shoddy analysis.
@@needlebacklessons4950 why Is that? Does the average canadian work termination notice includes the mention of the mental state of the fired employee being the motive or not of such decision? I'm not from Canada or US so that's why I'm asking
The stream was a break of the whole fiasco and its major points and where they fit a Legal case for Doki to fill to attack Kuroshit. Also, Doki being Canadian, means she's protected by PIPEDA (And more so the MOST SEVERE VERSION, PIPA PIPEDA, exclusive to only one district of Cucknada), Kuroshit nuked themselves by causing SEVERAL BREACHES of Doki's Privacy, filling for a Privacy violation in Cuknadian Court has her have the best chances of winning. As for those who hate Legal Mindset, they are the same bunch of Ls that idolize the leftardist or trashier side of Legal Tube, like Leonard French and Legal Eagle, the two trashiest Leftardists that can't keep their fucking personal bias out their interpretation of legal matters. So no, even fucking Rekieta, who's in the really low points of his Tubing Career, has more credibility.
@@needlebacklessons4950 you know this guy was employed by Universal studios as a corporate lawyer right? After that he went to korea to start corporate law there. If this guy isn't credible then i don't know who is.
This all smell to me like *someone* in that company has a very personal axe to grind with Dokibird with the fact that she dared do the things she did to escape that abusive situation and is now devoting all their energy towards making her life as much hell as they can manage, now that she's been terminated.
To me this feel like a personal vendetta inside company. I mean, like whoever was in charge of Selen or was the bridge with Japan really hate her. Maybe years of bad comunication, + the obvious cultural diferences just stressed the guy and snaped, because the chain of events were to fast and too "personal". Like terminate her inmediatly after receving her legal document, showing the document to the other livers. Then postin that absurdity of notice were you incriminate you own livers on bulling to save face, looks to me like a manager who dint know how to work with the western livers and allowed a bad work enviroment, panicked after Selen disclosed the suicide attempt. A very obvious , "it was not me, it was them". Then forcing the livers to do a pr statement on their channels instead of the corporation normal ones. But then duing it the same day and hour as Selen returning to her old account... way way to emotional and personal responce for a company.
The fact that they publicly fired her *through Twitter* is what's crazy to me. When I lost my last job, they put me in a conference room alone to tell me personally, and in private. Away from my coworkers, away from the public, it was between them and me and it stayed between them and me. Nijisanji didn't fire her and then make a Twitter post about it, that Twitter post was her firing. "Who found out that Selen got fired first? Her or me?" -Nuxtaku That's an interesting question because there is a very real chance that she was the last to know. There's a nonzero chance that people wrote articles about her firing before she even knew about it.
I'm really glad to see Legal Mindset is covering this situation. I'd highly recommend watching any of his content covering the garbage that Disney's been up to recently. Dude knows his stuff.
The most annoying part about how nijisanji handles "breach of contract" with terminations: other livers get away with doing the same things with no problems.... meaning those rules are either made up on the spot or selectively-enforced. Easily the most unprofessional talent agency ever. Nijisanji will sink as soon as the Chinese investors pull out.
There's a really good post in the Niji subreddit by someone that has worked in public communications that does a good job of theorizing what could have happened...that being that someone thought Selen was going to go scorched earth. That the document she and her lawyer sent them and wanted kept private was actually the statement she would release. Niji was ready to go to war, while Selen wanted it done quiet. I'm not going to try to explain all the nuances of what this theory said, but I personally think it explains some of the baffling communications from Anycolor and NijisanjiEN the best of all the crazy theories going around. As sad as it sounds, this entire dumpsterfire realistically could have been the result of a stupid miscomminication.
@@darkly7378 Also Mel even though were terminated, she's parted with Hololive on good terms that even A-Chan & Yagoo were sad to see her go but the rules are rules. While Selen/Doki, not only she were terminated publicly and without notice, Niji were trying their best to slander all the reputation she has.
@@unknownguyindo4356 i just remind you that in time when Mel was harassed by her manager and holo CEO ignored her report about it - she forgive them (she literally has chance to sue Hilolive for huge sum, because they dont do anything). When she made a mistake - company instantly terminate her. I think its dick move.
@@darkly7378 No siding with Hololive, but the fact is Mel is hated by a lots of 4ch haters. Like Coco, Hololive could either fight the black fan, i.e. the fans, or fire the talent. And for a company that is in the "idol" industry, fighting the fans is a literal death sentence, at least in Japan. Just their "idol" theme came back to bite again.
Thanks for making this. Ive really wanted a legal perspective from someone who isnt just talking from an emotional standpoint. I'm not hating on those whove been discussing it but i have been interested in something like this.
they have the work contract that basically making them "own" the person. especially in nijisanji, according to ppl that got offered, the talent behind vtuber must not have other job, dont tell anyone about your job as vtuber, they are not allowed to criticize or talk bad about the company. . they are using work contract as a way to "slave" someone, in the name of NDA the talents must do what the management wanted. they said that retiring is an option anytime but in practical they must wait if there are other talents who are also leaving or if the work contract is still have sometime before running out. the company wring dry the talents from the merch cut with 2% for talents, projects cost must be from the talent's own pockets
Finally someone who understands Japanese laws and culture a lot better and their is clear misunderstanding from both sides. 5:51 as I understand it she got confirmation from the artist, not in proper legal document or normal process for the company she worked at, they (because of Japanese copyright law) have a whole chain of command to get it in place. Yeah, their are definitely fuck ups in management there.
Someone should show this video to 39Daph and all those smooth brain defending Nijisanji and their clique 💀 it's only 13 minutes, but I'm sure they like to spend more time crying on twitch chat and twitter instead of researching
They got absolutely BTFO'd that they're currently foaming in their mouths in anger. /vt/ is in a full warzone mode right now as more and more NDF folks start hearing about this stream and start responding en masse
Holy fuck. A guy that knows what he's talking about, both on the laws, companies and Vtuber industry. You're the man we needed but not the one we deserved.
It's not uncommon for these companies to put out a contract termination notice. But it's usually just "Rules were broken and we have to uphold our NDA contract." This one felt like a personal attack. It's supposed to he a document more for fans, so we know a little about what's going on. Look to recent termination notices from Cover Corp regarding their talents Mel and Rushia.
00:00 I do wonder about that. On the one hand, he's certainly right that (especially here in Nijisanji's case with Selen's termination), this sorta practice of posting termination notices is basically inviting a legal nightmare. On the other hand, it's become standard practice for VTuber corporations now because, like with graduation notices, they allow a talent's viewers to know that their oshi will no longer be streaming, and for termination notices specifically, for them to know that it's particularly because their oshi was terminated (and the distinction is important because the former allows the VTuber to stream of a certain amount of time before doing a final, "graduation" stream, whereas the latter means that the VTuber will no longer stream, period; and in some cases, it also means that all their content up to that point will be deleted, outside those that were uploaded by third parties like clippers and such). I feel like Niji fucked up here (specifically in terms of posting the termination notice) because they showed the full thing (or at least, presumably; there could be a longer, more detailed document that we don't know about). The full notice is something that would (presumably) normally only go to the person being terminated and their lawyers, with something more curated and summarized being uploaded online like what Hololive posted for Mel's termination. Not to say that Hololive's notice was "curated" in the sense of being edited to sugarcoat or something, but it's at least both more professional and more suited for a viewer's notice compared to what Niji did here...
other companies don't go into details like kurosanji does. usually its just hey we going out separate ways. this is the end date. thank you for supporting them.
Extortion to force your employees to do what you want or you will force them out of the country is insane and unethical. Shame that companies who do this type of practice can get away with it. I hope the En branch shuts down so no more people fall victim to them.
I watch Legal Mindset all the time and recommend him to anyone interested in the social and legal topics he covers. That being said I didn't expect to see a clip of him on this channel.
I like how he keeps on emphasizing that the ones truly is to blame is the management. I also read the GURRAT, and while I do think the point they raised is a possibility, I also don't like how the GURRAT switched the focus on Niji management's failure to Elira being the mastermind of it all, and as a result, a lot of people switch their focus from the management to Elira as well While I believe, even if the GURRAT is true, Elira would be nothing more than just a small gear within a much more complex system in the Nijisanji management. EN is not the only problematic branch in Nijisanji; IN, KR and ID were all decimated by the main branch, and I don't think those have anything to do with Elira at all, also don't forget about Mirei Gundo's termination/graduation, because that shows that even in the main branch, management really only care about stock, way more then their talents, and the problems EN is facing right now, again IF the GURRAT was true, would only be the result of the main branch's negligence. Removing her would simply make room for another 'Elira' to take her place, so really for me, if we really have to complain to someone, don't waste time by complaining to any of the livers including Elira, just focus on the management, I still believe they are still the main bad guy in all of this, even with the GURRAT
Elira is still a bad guy. When someone gives you a power doesn't mean you can just abuse it. She's the bully allegedly, why just gonna forgive her? You can just target the main villain and it's troop. Nijisanji= mismanagement But the harrasment and bullying problem it's all solely because of elira and the clique.
@@youravghuman5231 It’s only alleged, thus, no definitive proof. So may I ask why the need to direct a lot, if not most, of your ire towards her or any of the other talents for that matter? Is it not going to just make things worse for both parties, especially for Doki? Because as far as i’m concerned all of this pointing fingers nonsense is going nowhere and is taking the attention away from the very fact that Nijisanji and its management did not do their jobs.
@@mementomori7825You are basically looking through a window from inside, seeing everywhere outside being bright, the birds are chirping, a neighbour passes by and wave at you, exclaiming "Good morning!". And your response? "So umm i don't actually see the Sun from there, there is no actual proof that it is daytime, please stop assuming without direct evidence."
@@ventithebard3691 everything is speculative, even a fact was a speculation before it was proven right. Even finding criminals, police don't really need a true concrete evidence if everything is aligned as well as the motive. Op mention about gurrat, if you wanna pointing out about speculation, tells that to op. Im just going if it's true, elira is still bad. Everyone knows niji is bad but having a bully is also bad. Both are bad, no need to protect one just because they're not the boss. Read the gurrat, it's elira, all of the soft evidence is there.
Posting termination is common tho in Japan. But the way they got to that point and the abuse / imitation someone actually hospitalized due to the companies actions.l it where they go byebye
The was an analysis by a comms guy I saw where he speculated that the initial, disastrous termination notice was due to Niji legal misinterpreting the personal account by Selen documenting her alleged experiences with bullying as something she was going to release publicly (rather than just a private notice for Niji legal), and trying to get out ahead of it.
It's funny. If this ended at just Selen's termination I could say Niji was in the right at face value since I know from a corporate standpoint they want to be the ones with permissions instead of said employee as a means of covering their arses in the event something happens. However, after hearing Selen's side of the story and Niji airing out their dirty laundry with her in their termination letter instead of letting her graduate, dragging other livers into this related to a legal situation they had no business being involved in it's hard to feel sorry for them in any way.
It's so funny how the girl who got bullied wanted this whole thing to be private and just wanted to leave the company. However the dumbasses at the company loaded the glock and shot themselves in the foot and made everything public😂 These people could have had the easy way out and fired the girl and moved on. But they just had to do stupidest things and break the NDA. And then go and tell everyone that they broke the NDA publicly and then blame it on her 😂 I can't get over how dumb the people in charge are.
Watched the whole 6 hours and he did a great job explaining things part by part with simple words and jargons that even those who don't have much knowledge about the laws he's mentioning would understand. Great guy!
And also the amount of people that supported her claims (being both either independent artists or actual brand owners) is staggering she has a really solid back up. So yeah she isnt defaming, its just they by following their own laws and procedures just shoot themselves in the foot.
Yeah, they only attack her because they cant do anything to others that backing her. If they were so sure its defamation, they should atrack her and her backers as well but they choose to gan BANG her.
I think that something taking 1 week or 2+ days when it could be done right away in 10 minutes is without context a pretty normal thing and I believe people who answer tickets every day will be very familiar with this. People who answer phone calls with queues as well
about the song in question: Selen (now: Dokibird) apparently worked for a year on it. and i highly doubt it, she did it in secret all the time. this makes me assume, (her) management should have had lots of time to check all of it and to check that she had the OK of all rights owners involved. and one more thing: how can i believe any allegations about her "violating" the rules, if it is stated that she did so since her debut. and yet noone seemed to have any issues with that alleged behavior - or otherwise NijiSanji would have punished or terminated her years ago over it.
Actually no. 1.Just my assumption, since i dont work in niji. They know what she work under. Then some vtubers who was in the video is graduated/terminated. Selen refuse to delete them, niji dont give her right to use other vtubers images. 2. If your mistakes is minnor - no one care until you make a profit. And Selen, as much as i know, was popular, which mean profitable.
I still think the Problem with the permissions was that the permissions were given a year ago and management wasn't sure if all the permissions are still there (especially for livers that left the company during that year). Still a problem of bad management tho.
actually if you watch the video at the last 20-30 minutes I think. You will got the answer for permission thingy. And it way beyond what people expect from this clip itself since this clip only cover the termination notice.
@@fallendotid2386 Don't think there is a proper answer for anything in this case beyond speculation since most of it is under NDA and behind the scenes but I'll check it out once I have 7 hours to spare lol
i kinda regret being on opposite part in Zaion drama last time. turns out it's a bigger case of "a nail that stood up are going to be hammered in" and now it happened to Selen. but the management clearly underestimated the range of influence that Selen have already gained from the beginning of her career until the incident. they did the same move they've used on Zaion. termination and livers statement to actually plucked out the nail instead of hamerring it. but the same trick clearly didn't work twice. the yatch sank after burned in blazing fire.
Even me who taken neutral stances be like: WTH, Niji doing even worse than last time?! I dont give them another benefits (of doubt) anymore. F--K u Kurosanji!
Especially after the black screen vod. If only they dont release that trash, people would treat this as another zaion cases and let it be. Now their livers complaining that death threats everywhere blaming people online but not among themselves who did black screen vod SMH
I mean deaththreats are around even without any dramas and they taunting the entire internet with black screen vod, even anyone that you not expect covering vtubing community joining the fray...
I think releasing the notice is good for something like Vtubing. I would be very upset if they terminated someone I like without explaining anything. As long as Vtubing history goes, it is still pretty new and pretty much depending on fans/people who come by to support them but in this case they know it's a breach of contract they know something not proper happened and they still went this far into detail in the notice? That's like outting yourself. Like a certain old man from a certain organization once said: "that's a bad move"
Unfortunately in cases where talent is directly interacting with fans, vtuber companies need to be more open with their notices of termination. The fact that the notice was so unhinged is a different story
Beat me to the clip! Happy to cover this topic as it's fascinating in so many ways.
You're doing the community a service, man. Thanks for fighting the good fight
Eyo, the man himself
I'm very used to you from you and the crew's coverage of Disney's recent tomfoolery (to put it lightly), but I'm pleasantly surprised to see you weighing in on this situation my dude! Keep up the good work!
Thank you for covering this, sir. 🙏
Oh the man is here. Im waiting for pt.2
6 hours. in that 6 hours he absolutely dismantled all the arguments and deflections of the "Nijisanji Defense Force" and gave detailed and concise reviews of the topics regarding Selen/Doki and AnyColor. Very impressive guy.
I watched him live. What i like about him is he try to be impartial. He add niji lawyers perspective and also criticize doki's laywer that they can actually do more to protect dokibird.
And i also love how 39daph text and that article from dox site really got destroyed easily.
I mean, that's what to be expected from a clash between an emotionally charged, unprofessional, desperate defence piece to a thorough breakdown done by a professional with adequate experience and background
i want to have his stream link. everytime i see nijisister i just wanna spam this stream😂
@@akira8393Check "Legal Mindset". They just upload 42min summary of their 7hr livestream.
he is doing part II in half hour
“We privated a video”
“She falsely accused us of privating a video”
I still can't fathom how can the management be so dumb like that.....
@@luciexvxvxvx Thats just some people talking tho, they could be bullshitting. its not as bad as directly contradicting yourself in writing.
best ace attorney episode of 2024
@@thevictoryoverhimself7298some people?
they are the actual artists that commisioned by selen
@@elitefdc2171 yes but it’s possible they are lying. I don’t know them personally.
I’m not saying they are, but it’s not evidence.
"-The issue is really just from management," actually chuckled at that bit because ain't THAT just the icing on the cake XD
even outsider know how F up Niji's management from a glance
Well Niji EN management is just Elira and her Goons anyway.
So his statement is 100% true
And here's the strawberry on the icing; The livers themselves IS the management.
I heard rumors of that, was it confirm that they manage themselves?
@@iJakkuI dunno.
The rrats says it's more like a shadow managements instead of actually being manager, because the managements from Niji themselves can't speak English.
When one of their former most popular male livers were stuck on 350k USD debt, you know the management f-ing s*cks.
“Keeping Selen Tatsuki’s physical and mental health in mind”
During the time of this document’s release, Selen was hospitalized from multiple attempts on her own life, resulting from mistreatment she endured as a liver.
@@darkly7378 dont defend the company as well
@@darkly7378She recently revealed there was a second attempt.
@@darkly7378she literally tweeted that it was 2
@@darkly7378 Please ensure you're up to date before you try to correct someone else.
@@darkly7378
Mighty good thing it isn't gossip then, isn't it?
This is the statement I would have done if I was Niji. "After creative disagreements with Selen Tatsuki, we and Selen have decided to part ways, we wish her the best in her future endeavors." Then a list on what's going to happen to the content and merch currently on sale and in the pipeline. That's it.
Surprisingly word for word similar to the Hololive Mel's letter. They parted amicably, Mel is still mentioned fondly by her genmates today and even featured in some video recently. Wonder why they cant just learn from cover corp smh..
@@KYPMbangi simple, they hate Selen.
Congrats, you did 1000x better than whatever NijiEN released as a statement.
@@zeroanimation3956 I kinda refuse to believe there's someone inside Niji(management or not) so aggressively malicious, but man, it's kinda hard to keep this line of thought after all of this.
@@alindagust I mean what else could be the reason? all her activities are beneficial to Nijisanji's name but they keep sabotaging her.
His yacht sank faster than the Titanic
Anycolor stock increase today
Cover stock decrease along side with Anycolor last week due to Japanese economy in general
Well it seems like his yacht will be just fine
Sadly, in JP (aka the main market for anycolor) there is an iron curtain around this situation.
@@NhatAnhPhamDrThat's because they are doing buy-backs again like before
The think that probably sink fast is anything outside the JP Branch. But they are Japanese company and very popular one there so I doubt the backlash will be that big for the whole company, but definitely big for EN and anything outside the JP realm
@@NhatAnhPhamDr i dont care about the jp side the en side can sink
The reason why NIJISANJI made such perplexing moves on both public relations and legal fronts today, I believe, primarily boils down to the following two points:
1.They severely lack expertise in the oversea (English-speaking) world legal affairs and public relations.
2.They mistakenly believe they can manipulate public opinion by using tactics commonly seen in Japan to suppress unfavorable information. Just like the recent scandal involving sexual assault within Johnny's, which only surfaced in the last year or two, the leading figures in Japan's industry are accustomed to using their influence as an excuse to suppress or cancel factors that are detrimental to themselves.
Agree on both.
Nijisanji was so ignorant they tried doing things the Japanese way.
To be more specific, they mistakenly believe they can manipulate _western_ public opinion. All of this is working fairly well on the Japanese community unfortunately. When you are raised in a culture where Corporations are treated as literal gods it's very easy for them to take that side.
They're basically a small fish that's used to an aquarium that is now swimming in the ocean.
1st one is plausible since Anycolor (then Ichikara) tried expanding the Nijisanji brand overseas back in 2018 with China and Taiwan, but failed in 2019.
2nd one... it'll take some whistleblower within Anycolor to spill the beans regarding the gross mismanagement.
Main problem is niji probably dont have legal/pr support in EN branch. So all this was done by jp executives in jp ways.
The major issue here is that they fired someone in the middle of a mental health crisis who had sent them documents through her lawyer.
They fired her while she was in the process of what you might call an HR complaint about management and other creators under contract.
She sent them document, they fired her, gave other creators access to the document she filed through her lawyer, and THEN made her mental health issues public through their statement to justify her termination.
This is absolutely insane behavior.
OMG this explains so well the whole process that I felt wrong but couldn’t put into words why it was wrong
Is there any way of looking at it where it isn't illegal retaliation for raising a harassment claim? I think the answer is no.
Yeah. And they didn't even tell her she was being fired.
For Vtubing companies, posting a public contract termination for the fans is probably the norm. However, this is the first time I have seen a termination that was issued FIRST to the public and not to her. She straight up said she was as clueless as anyone else. The fact that the company listed their dirty laundry in the termination notice is even worse as they should have just give her the termination notice, then issue a public termination notice without any unnecessary legal stuff that is shown in this notice. In the best way possible, they should have just said she broke NDA in some kind and left the rest to the legal team.
Wactor was the worst company on vtubing industry but Niji is doing the exact same just without the dox 💀 posting a long ahh text calling them out, trying to leech out of them until the merch is over while making them waste money on lawyers for problems of their own fault and then bringing meat shields to cry on stream while they throw them under the bus. It's incredible the unprofessionalism
even worse, they announced the termination 2 hours after she sent them the "private" document about her mental health. where she told them she was bullied and made an attempt
Normally termination notices are pretty vague about what exactly the talents are being fired for.
What was also funny was that Risa chat joined, parrot chan discord joined and even FalseID was in the chat all watching
Risa / Rima?
Anyway, i was surprised too when i woke up and find out that a real lawyer reviewing Doki's case on stream. Ofc the vtuber news & drama channel (i hate to refer them as "drama channel", but can't find better word for it) will be interested.
@@velvetra29Rima Evenstar is more of an analytical channel that details drama within the vtuber community with her video essays. Funny Parrot Man is also a news channel - he reports on /vt/ schizo posting kek.
@@ResidentWeevil2077 I should have refer to them as "commentary channel". Found the word.
I like Rima's content for they feel well researched. Parrot is hilarious lol.
@@ResidentWeevil2077Poor parrot chose the worst warzone to report in lmao.
@@KawashiKIt's like there's more shit on this situation for him to do every week...
*WAIT NO, NIJISANJI DON'T-*
He only usually does 1 hour streams but it almost went 6 hours with max of 6k live viewers. He just started down the rabbit hole and will do a part 2. And then maybe even other vtuber legal issues like zaion or rushia later.
He tore apart nijisanji arguement and their PR disasters. He started impartial but within 1 hour he was swearing at anycolor. The elira, vox, ike statement really peeved him off
The way he went from just providing the truth as unbiased as possible to "Vox, what the fuck are you talking about?" is hilarious lmao 😂
He really wished that Dokibird's lawyers can do more to help her.
My guy was baffled by that 15 minutes "message", he ain't having any of that lmao.
That black colored backdrop livestream is really showing their true color lol
8k viewers if you merge the ccv with Rumble
If someone to told me that Niji management is full of nepo hires or people with "black marks" from idol/pop industry i would believe it at this point. Cause while many people understand that situation is fuckup even by petty middle management corporate standard, they don't appreciate enough the fact that those decisions weren't stopped by their own legal/consult. Which is beyond ridiculous, regardless of culture/country company originates from.
Honestly it's probably more believable if they have no legal counsel than having one that allows this.
But reality is often stranger than fiction.
You might want to look into `The Grand Unifying Rrat`.
Nothing is confirmed so far, but it makes _way too much sense._
A prevailing theory is that nijiEN management was non-existent, giving one of the talents an opportunity to perform those nepo-hires and basically form a clique in the EN branch that basically runs the show.
@@humrH2360 looking into past, do you know what happen to those management employee that get fired outside JP branch? Nepo is scary in massive scale
@@humrH2360yeah. That also kinda explain different statements from Nijisanji JP and what those three says in Elira's stream.
I'm so happy a fellow lawyer is finally covering this. There are lawyers out there who are fans that have seen this situation but who don't have a platforn and well we don't really wanna, dox ourselves online. So really glad somebody is here to guide people on all the nuance.
This guy isn't a fan. He's a right wing grifter who's hopped on the story because it's easy views.
Happy to cover the topic, highly requested by my audience! and fascinating, both as a weeb and for the legal issues here.
Aaaand? Get out of your political arguments here sir, thats not the discussion. If its feel free to complain and badmouth him.
@@CasualOgrestill better than armchair lawyers
@@CasualOgre Gtfo with your political nonsense. You do know most people aren't Americans who would care about that?
The most important thing to remember about this drama is that Nijisanji did it to themselves. This isn't some typical drama where one person calls out another person and tries to cancel them. Selen/Doki had not said ANYTHING before the termination post. We the public did NOT KNOW that she was being bullied within in the company, let alone by other livers. NIJISANJI IS THE ONE WHO TOLD US THAT. It is genuinely unreal how insanely incompetent their PR/Legal tem is.
the prevailing theory is a complete failure in the comms department where somewhere along the way they thought the document that Selen sent them was the one that she was threatening to expose... how that mistake got made when it was the one she had them sign would only remain between those parties is just insane levels of incompetency but crisis mode sometimes makes literal underqualified, overworked, and underpaid management (have you SEEN their job listings) make really stupid mistakes
Well that and also Japanese work culture is different
By trying to get ahead of the story they instead broadcasted their own incompetence
@@SethAbercromby for real pffff
they also the one who reveal selen unalive attempt (their wording atleast).
And there also nijisimps that said Doki/Selen the one being manipulative with her statement. Like bruh she never ever mentioned about it at all before they reveal it themselves
Idk, mr. Lawman, there's this random twitch streamer with 0 law experience called Daphe who says that Nijisanji is right and "it isn't how law works"
they called her 39IQDaft on stream lol
I saw it live and the chat are already calling her 39IQdaph, it was hilarious 😂😂
Ahhh the 39 ways to be daft
@@tsukinosereiss big brain moves for her?
39IQDaph in the nutshell. LMAO
Deflecting the source problem to other liver is such a scumbag move.
And Niji White Knights somehow blamed that to Doki, while it's an obvious self-report from Niji side.
btw selen never accuse and blame another livers who are not involved or innocent, niji them self being delusional.stop being emotional and be rasional and logical
Japanese love victim blaming. It is one main flaw in their culture. @@Cosmoman78
@@swordmaster4448 the theory there is that nibi thought doki was gonna publish the private legal document herself and so they tried to get ahead to spin the narrative in their favor. With doki never releasing anything it makes niji look really schizo.
They are japanese corpo, not everyone of them is same but this one is particulary very common there.
Something I've seen people speculate is that the whole point is to make this so awful for Dokibird that other talents will feel like they can't go against the company.
And that's when we go after the company.
That's what they're doing. NijiEn is trying to make an example out of her so that other livers don't do it
And they actually cant go against company. Elira is working in japan under work visa (which she got because of niji). If she rebel and refuse to do what niji ask her to do - she will be fired (with black mark of contract breach), deported from jp and probably fined (common practice).
Amazing long term plan that surely will not leave you without new talent a few years down the line.
The nijisanji execs hold an invisible and metaphorical chain and leash on their Livers. They must tow the line, and fall in line, or Else.
the vod is 6 hours, i am headache of it.😅
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Part 2 is today
Part two is currently streaming
Man... I need more coffee to watch this and possibly making phase connect coffee stock go up😂
I was there during the live and safe to say, it was fun seeing someone with necessary credentials react to this whole situation. I was surprised to know that this dude is knowledgeable in other Vtuber agencies like Phase Connect and Holo
I watched that livestream just this morning. This dude legit roasted the Anti-GURRAT document and the Blackscreen stream far beyond well-done.
Guess what? He's not done yet. He'll go over the 2nd GURRAT soon, at least from what I remember.
Might as well call it a cremation as this point
@@ZxosGamer part 2 will be throwing the ashes into the septic tank 😂😂
What makes even better is he is incline to believe the og gurrat (not even reentry yet), therefore it's empowering the gurrat even more
Part 2 is starting now btw, get in there!
@@MikaHolic_Channel_OFFICIAL Yo, thanks for the heads up! Time to listen to his take on the GURRAT Ver.2!
The issue with this whole thing is that is written so unprofessionaly almost sounds like some teenagers with a vendetta. As far as defamation and slander in Japan go. They dont care if someone has the proof in the world theyd still be found guilty lol read up their laws. Here's another proof of their black company tactics. Another recent graduated talent formerly known as pomu rainpuff had open her membership content for everyone. The only video that was privatized by Nijisanji was a membership video where pomu was crying venting her frustration about their management.
It took them almost 2 days to NOT respond before she posted a video, but TERMINATED HER CONTRACT WITHIN 2-3 hours when confidential documents sent by her lawyer. I think it's beyond unprofessional behavior. I just don't have right words.
When an actual lawyer says your document is trash, you're screwed.
Problem is - he can say anything. Say and win trial is different thing.
@@darkly7378
No he can’t. His credibility as a lawyer is on the line every time he said something related to law. Saying the wrong thing could destroy the reputation he has built up and would potentially doom his entire lawyer career.
@@markconstance186 Again. Say something and win in court (even if what he said is 100% truth) is different things.
@@darkly7378
Say something is not the same as say anything. Everything he said has to have basis for it. He’s a lawyer, not a commentator. Commentator don’t get punished for the thing they said(unless it was slander), but lawyer does if proven wrong.
@@markconstance186 Wrong. What he done is commentary to publishec document, he just more qualified on subject then most, since topic related to his profession. Punished? Can you tell me any legal reason for it?
Watched it live. Was definetly interesting and recommend everybody to watch the Vod even though it's long it's also entertaining and definetly enlightening
yeah guys the law youtubers like legal mindset content is interesting, you have to be really invested in the specific topic though because - funny enough - a stream runs long when you're trying to read through filings or explain law to people like us who know nothing. You just have to bear in mind it is a long ride and the length is what it is.
Man even the Saul Goodman at home disagrees with the wall text of so-call termination notice
There's a Canadian lawyer who's going to cover this issue tomorrow on his stream on the Canadian side of things.
His channel is called *Runkle of the Bailey*
This Nijisanji debacle is expanding like a black hole.
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The thing about the termination notice I would like to point out, though, is that in the world of VTubing, where the talent is a very public-facing personality, and the fact that you can't just replace the actress/actor behind the avatar (they tried this years ago with Kizuna AI; it *did not* go well), firing the talent is the same as retiring and shelving the avatar. In that sense, it's necessary to post a termination/retirement notice, because fans *will* notice and unannounced/unexplained absences, as was the case with Selen suddenly going off the grid for over a month. Announcing a termination is standard practice in the VTubing world. What Nijisanji did *wrong*, however, was going into the stuff mentioned starting at 1:18.
Contrast it to their biggest competitor in Japan, Cover Corp/hololive. Earlier in January, Cover had to terminate one of their original talents (as in someone who's been in the company since 2018, when the VTubing branch wasn't even a year old), Yozora Mel, but her termination notice was just a simple "She broke NDA, and it was a difficult decision, but we have decided to terminate our contract with her." That's it. No digging up dirt, just a simple announcement, and there legitimately appears to be no bad blood between everyone involved, just sadness and heartache over having to let go of such an esteemed member. The CEO and some staff members even posted farewell tweets, and Mel was allowed to tweet one last time to say goodbye to her fans even after her termination. It came as a shock, and a terrible day for fans, but no one held it against the company. Even when Uruha Rushia was terminated in 2022, which was a much messier affair due to a lot of factors, the termination notice itself was professional and intentionally vague, simply mentioned NDA being broken, again with no dirt or personal grievances aired in the announcement.
It's such a massive contrast in reactions and steps taken that it's almost inevitable that the way the two companies handled these terminations so close to each other be compared.
Should compare it to Hololive's termination notice for Yozora Mel released a month prior to this mess. It was done with more tact and reverence for the talent versus the character assassinations that Niji posts on its terminated livers.
Hell, for the sake of comparing messy to messy, compare it to Rushia's. Even tho the Rushia graduation devolved in drama (mainly because people are crazy) Holo never said anything more than "She breached NDA, we're sorry"
Hey, I know this guy! His stream VOD got recommended to me but holy crap it was 6-7hrs long xD
Man I subbed to you for the HoloID clips, and now I'm happy all over again that I'm subbed to you, thanks.
He's not done. He's a part 2 coming up in a few hrs
ID vtuber community is pretty relax for most things but boy most of us still hold a silent grudge after the NijiID debauchery
part 2 was earlier today and was another 5 1/2 hours and covered Daph, the ndf's document, and zaion's termination
the moment they released that statement to the public, NijiEN have been Self reporting ever since.
So something to note, the copyright permissions that she was missing was Nijisanji's. Because she used Niji livers in the music video she needed to get permission from the company and the individual niji livers in the video yet even then Niji couldn't get that done
The screenshot said ex-livers. So it only required niji itself so it was even simpler.
It was simpler. It had nothing to do with rights. Vox revealed texts shows they just didn't like that graduated vtubers mysta and nina was in the music video. So that whole rights bs was a lie
@@roguehartNiji owns all of the righta, they are the ones that need to supply tge rights, graduated\terminated or not.
@@kelvinw.1384 Its not a lie. She needed Niji to give rights, they didn't like having graduated talent in the video so they didn't wanna give the rights
Well from the screen shots of the Selen/Manager Conversation, it makes you wonder why having the Ex-livers appearing in the video mattered, since Niji should own the Copyright for the Models, and it was only Members that Graduated, unless they had to contact the ex-talents for some reason for permission to appear in a song?
somebody need to send this lawyer vod to 39IQDaph, this is the type of statement that we need to know from a legit person that learn and have work at lawyer, not some streamer "hey i have friend in niji so i know WHAT is happening" despite the case only between one partciluar liver with the company NOT liver with other livers AND the company
You really think she will changes when see this clip/vod with her biases from having friends in NijiEN. Studying for NASA is more easier than making a woman admitted she is wrong.
@@BryanNguyen125 you're damn right. let her lives in her own fantasy.
@@BryanNguyen125damn bro 😂
👏 👏 @@BryanNguyen125
@@BryanNguyen125 yeah u right, there is a reason why she thought she can involve in this drama as outsider just because she have "friend" inside the company
Bro even lawyer react this 😂
Muta had a good point about this thing blowing up to the point the explosion is out of the rabbithole of vtubing
This whole thing is THE absolute shit show for a company/corporation
If a company is doing this bad at management and PR this shit is more than a simple drama
Many lawyers are vtuver fans (nobody likes them irl)
@@eliousef4235 guess ya got smth wrong there cuz those lawyer are now pretty popular now lel,
Reading the timestamps, I love seeing the first one. "Teribble" is the best mispelling I've ever seen.
"Harassed by other Livers due to mismanagement" is strange phrasing to use unless certain talents had management roles.
Omg. That’s literally what I was saying from the beginning and people always get mad at me because I’m distracting from the actual issue (?) I’m not completely sure, but what I always say is that all of the issues that Nijisanji first started having is when they made the EN branch because has been extremely obvious to me that they have no idea how things work in America and they needed to do their homework. At the core of everything- the problem is ignorance- but they are a powerful company and ignorance on this level can cause a lot of damage. Now…it is still completely Nijisanji’s fault, but the problems didn’t start with Selen or Zion, but I started seeing issues back around Yugo
and the reason Hololive managed to make it work is because they had coco who was born and raised in America while Niji had no one.
True, Coco understood both cultures and would've been able to explain differences between Japan and the English speaking world
What happened with Yugo?
@@TheDisquietingNight I’m not as certain with Yugo, (anyone can correct me if they want to), but I think that what happened was that Yugo had issues keeping up with streaming for personal issues and had to eventually quit because he could no longer keep up.
At this point, this will become a good case study on what NOT to do on a legal level. This is not just a vtubing/liver matter now. The whole situation offers a very unique perspective on different cultural and legal practices in an industry that is still on its way to popular culture. It sets precedents and offers structure for future companies alike.
Daph be like: looks legit 😂
he tore into Daph's statement today in part 2. she earned the nickname 39id in his chat
daph wants more collab for $$$
You know I remember years ago I came across 39Daph's channel back when she was just a small time YTer and I recall one of her stream she had mentioned her illness and whatnot. At the time the image I got from the person was she's pretty reserve and perhaps even timid. I am aware that over the years her channel grew but was never really an avid watcher. Who would've thought that years later I would see news about her again and not even in a good way but then again it seems to be the same with many YTers you see over the years; you just see the obnoxious/nasty side of them that you never thought existed. Its like that Dark Knight quote some times: You either die as a hero or live long enough to see yourself the villain.
All lawyers would be a fun one for this case... Maybe it will be on every lecture book in criminology or something about court stuff.
not necessarily for "criminology", but it is an excellent irl example for what a PR and legal nightmare a corporate could get in, by failling even the most basic approach.
What I meant is like a good example of a possible court case for future lawyers. I don't know its specific degree 🤔.
@UltraZulwarn But that would be a good example for others especially in Japanese Companies.
I saw in twitter of Law student got this case in class to debate already, that how bad it already is
This would be great for Political Economy and Statutory Construction.
I will try to reach and include International Law.
I was waiting for an actual lawyer to talk about this there are alot of "-thats what i think" statements on the internet rn
Me too. It’s too bad that this one is a shit lawyer. The fact he thinks the statement issued by Niji is a legal termination notice and him agreeing that the mere reference to Selen’s “mental health” somehow rises to violating Canadian law is pretty shoddy analysis.
@@needlebacklessons4950 why Is that? Does the average canadian work termination notice includes the mention of the mental state of the fired employee being the motive or not of such decision? I'm not from Canada or US so that's why I'm asking
@@needlebacklessons4950 idk man he seems credible to me than random comment on RUclips, at least i know his name and face heh
The stream was a break of the whole fiasco and its major points and where they fit a Legal case for Doki to fill to attack Kuroshit.
Also, Doki being Canadian, means she's protected by PIPEDA (And more so the MOST SEVERE VERSION, PIPA PIPEDA, exclusive to only one district of Cucknada), Kuroshit nuked themselves by causing SEVERAL BREACHES of Doki's Privacy, filling for a Privacy violation in Cuknadian Court has her have the best chances of winning.
As for those who hate Legal Mindset, they are the same bunch of Ls that idolize the leftardist or trashier side of Legal Tube, like Leonard French and Legal Eagle, the two trashiest Leftardists that can't keep their fucking personal bias out their interpretation of legal matters.
So no, even fucking Rekieta, who's in the really low points of his Tubing Career, has more credibility.
@@needlebacklessons4950 you know this guy was employed by Universal studios as a corporate lawyer right? After that he went to korea to start corporate law there. If this guy isn't credible then i don't know who is.
This all smell to me like *someone* in that company has a very personal axe to grind with Dokibird with the fact that she dared do the things she did to escape that abusive situation and is now devoting all their energy towards making her life as much hell as they can manage, now that she's been terminated.
Kurosanji has A LOT to answer for. This is a YIKES!
To me this feel like a personal vendetta inside company. I mean, like whoever was in charge of Selen or was the bridge with Japan really hate her. Maybe years of bad comunication, + the obvious cultural diferences just stressed the guy and snaped, because the chain of events were to fast and too "personal". Like terminate her inmediatly after receving her legal document, showing the document to the other livers. Then postin that absurdity of notice were you incriminate you own livers on bulling to save face, looks to me like a manager who dint know how to work with the western livers and allowed a bad work enviroment, panicked after Selen disclosed the suicide attempt. A very obvious , "it was not me, it was them". Then forcing the livers to do a pr statement on their channels instead of the corporation normal ones. But then duing it the same day and hour as Selen returning to her old account... way way to emotional and personal responce for a company.
The fact that they publicly fired her *through Twitter* is what's crazy to me. When I lost my last job, they put me in a conference room alone to tell me personally, and in private. Away from my coworkers, away from the public, it was between them and me and it stayed between them and me.
Nijisanji didn't fire her and then make a Twitter post about it, that Twitter post was her firing.
"Who found out that Selen got fired first? Her or me?" -Nuxtaku
That's an interesting question because there is a very real chance that she was the last to know. There's a nonzero chance that people wrote articles about her firing before she even knew about it.
I'm really glad to see Legal Mindset is covering this situation. I'd highly recommend watching any of his content covering the garbage that Disney's been up to recently. Dude knows his stuff.
The most annoying part about how nijisanji handles "breach of contract" with terminations: other livers get away with doing the same things with no problems.... meaning those rules are either made up on the spot or selectively-enforced.
Easily the most unprofessional talent agency ever. Nijisanji will sink as soon as the Chinese investors pull out.
There's a really good post in the Niji subreddit by someone that has worked in public communications that does a good job of theorizing what could have happened...that being that someone thought Selen was going to go scorched earth. That the document she and her lawyer sent them and wanted kept private was actually the statement she would release. Niji was ready to go to war, while Selen wanted it done quiet.
I'm not going to try to explain all the nuances of what this theory said, but I personally think it explains some of the baffling communications from Anycolor and NijisanjiEN the best of all the crazy theories going around. As sad as it sounds, this entire dumpsterfire realistically could have been the result of a stupid miscomminication.
Nijisanji: “GATOR ITS NOT TRUEEE”
Pill bottles shaking. Sound of clanking sake bottles
about public termination, should compare it with yozora mel termination notice
It's night and day.
Only on surface level (which mean hololive pr is much more professional).
@@darkly7378 Also Mel even though were terminated, she's parted with Hololive on good terms that even A-Chan & Yagoo were sad to see her go but the rules are rules.
While Selen/Doki, not only she were terminated publicly and without notice, Niji were trying their best to slander all the reputation she has.
@@unknownguyindo4356 i just remind you that in time when Mel was harassed by her manager and holo CEO ignored her report about it - she forgive them (she literally has chance to sue Hilolive for huge sum, because they dont do anything). When she made a mistake - company instantly terminate her. I think its dick move.
@@darkly7378 No siding with Hololive, but the fact is Mel is hated by a lots of 4ch haters. Like Coco, Hololive could either fight the black fan, i.e. the fans, or fire the talent. And for a company that is in the "idol" industry, fighting the fans is a literal death sentence, at least in Japan. Just their "idol" theme came back to bite again.
I know it won't happen, because there is no justice in this world, but DOWN WITH NIJISANJI!!!
Fascinating that this has gotten big enough for a real lawyer to weigh in. Very educational, thank you!
Thanks for making this. Ive really wanted a legal perspective from someone who isnt just talking from an emotional standpoint. I'm not hating on those whove been discussing it but i have been interested in something like this.
Thanks for making it concise
they have the work contract that basically making them "own" the person. especially in nijisanji, according to ppl that got offered, the talent behind vtuber must not have other job, dont tell anyone about your job as vtuber, they are not allowed to criticize or talk bad about the company.
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they are using work contract as a way to "slave" someone, in the name of NDA the talents must do what the management wanted. they said that retiring is an option anytime but in practical they must wait if there are other talents who are also leaving or if the work contract is still have sometime before running out. the company wring dry the talents from the merch cut with 2% for talents, projects cost must be from the talent's own pockets
Finally someone who understands Japanese laws and culture a lot better and their is clear misunderstanding from both sides.
5:51 as I understand it she got confirmation from the artist, not in proper legal document or normal process for the company she worked at, they (because of Japanese copyright law) have a whole chain of command to get it in place.
Yeah, their are definitely fuck ups in management there.
Sometimes even the Lawyers can't stop there clients from being stupid.
Someone should show this video to 39Daph and all those smooth brain defending Nijisanji and their clique 💀 it's only 13 minutes, but I'm sure they like to spend more time crying on twitch chat and twitter instead of researching
They should watch the entire 6 hour VOD lul
@@leana339not enough brain cells to do that
@@MotoroidARFCI mean, I don’t think they even have any brain cells left to understand anything in this video.
In before Legal Eagle catches wind enough to make a video.
I rec you to go watch the vod, that was a good knowledge.
Leaking legal documents seems to be a common practice in Nijisanji.
Now we wait for the Niji Defense Force response lmao
They got absolutely BTFO'd that they're currently foaming in their mouths in anger. /vt/ is in a full warzone mode right now as more and more NDF folks start hearing about this stream and start responding en masse
Holy fuck. A guy that knows what he's talking about, both on the laws, companies and Vtuber industry. You're the man we needed but not the one we deserved.
It's not uncommon for these companies to put out a contract termination notice. But it's usually just "Rules were broken and we have to uphold our NDA contract."
This one felt like a personal attack.
It's supposed to he a document more for fans, so we know a little about what's going on. Look to recent termination notices from Cover Corp regarding their talents Mel and Rushia.
00:00 I do wonder about that. On the one hand, he's certainly right that (especially here in Nijisanji's case with Selen's termination), this sorta practice of posting termination notices is basically inviting a legal nightmare. On the other hand, it's become standard practice for VTuber corporations now because, like with graduation notices, they allow a talent's viewers to know that their oshi will no longer be streaming, and for termination notices specifically, for them to know that it's particularly because their oshi was terminated (and the distinction is important because the former allows the VTuber to stream of a certain amount of time before doing a final, "graduation" stream, whereas the latter means that the VTuber will no longer stream, period; and in some cases, it also means that all their content up to that point will be deleted, outside those that were uploaded by third parties like clippers and such).
I feel like Niji fucked up here (specifically in terms of posting the termination notice) because they showed the full thing (or at least, presumably; there could be a longer, more detailed document that we don't know about). The full notice is something that would (presumably) normally only go to the person being terminated and their lawyers, with something more curated and summarized being uploaded online like what Hololive posted for Mel's termination. Not to say that Hololive's notice was "curated" in the sense of being edited to sugarcoat or something, but it's at least both more professional and more suited for a viewer's notice compared to what Niji did here...
other companies don't go into details like kurosanji does. usually its just hey we going out separate ways. this is the end date. thank you for supporting them.
Extortion to force your employees to do what you want or you will force them out of the country is insane and unethical. Shame that companies who do this type of practice can get away with it. I hope the En branch shuts down so no more people fall victim to them.
This is fantastic. We need more actually educated people commenting on these subjects, not just dramatubers.
Legal mindset is a good lawyer RUclipsr.
I watch Legal Mindset all the time and recommend him to anyone interested in the social and legal topics he covers. That being said I didn't expect to see a clip of him on this channel.
Same here.
I wish this clip was translated to JP, it would help some people open their eyes about the blatant mistreatment of the situation.
I like how he keeps on emphasizing that the ones truly is to blame is the management. I also read the GURRAT, and while I do think the point they raised is a possibility, I also don't like how the GURRAT switched the focus on Niji management's failure to Elira being the mastermind of it all, and as a result, a lot of people switch their focus from the management to Elira as well
While I believe, even if the GURRAT is true, Elira would be nothing more than just a small gear within a much more complex system in the Nijisanji management. EN is not the only problematic branch in Nijisanji; IN, KR and ID were all decimated by the main branch, and I don't think those have anything to do with Elira at all, also don't forget about Mirei Gundo's termination/graduation, because that shows that even in the main branch, management really only care about stock, way more then their talents, and the problems EN is facing right now, again IF the GURRAT was true, would only be the result of the main branch's negligence. Removing her would simply make room for another 'Elira' to take her place, so really for me, if we really have to complain to someone, don't waste time by complaining to any of the livers including Elira, just focus on the management, I still believe they are still the main bad guy in all of this, even with the GURRAT
Elira is still a bad guy. When someone gives you a power doesn't mean you can just abuse it. She's the bully allegedly, why just gonna forgive her? You can just target the main villain and it's troop.
Nijisanji= mismanagement
But the harrasment and bullying problem it's all solely because of elira and the clique.
@@youravghuman5231 It’s only alleged, thus, no definitive proof. So may I ask why the need to direct a lot, if not most, of your ire towards her or any of the other talents for that matter? Is it not going to just make things worse for both parties, especially for Doki? Because as far as i’m concerned all of this pointing fingers nonsense is going nowhere and is taking the attention away from the very fact that Nijisanji and its management did not do their jobs.
@@youravghuman5231would want proof before accusing anyone, or we would be the bullies..
@@mementomori7825You are basically looking through a window from inside, seeing everywhere outside being bright, the birds are chirping, a neighbour passes by and wave at you, exclaiming "Good morning!".
And your response?
"So umm i don't actually see the Sun from there, there is no actual proof that it is daytime, please stop assuming without direct evidence."
@@ventithebard3691 everything is speculative, even a fact was a speculation before it was proven right. Even finding criminals, police don't really need a true concrete evidence if everything is aligned as well as the motive.
Op mention about gurrat, if you wanna pointing out about speculation, tells that to op. Im just going if it's true, elira is still bad.
Everyone knows niji is bad but having a bully is also bad. Both are bad, no need to protect one just because they're not the boss.
Read the gurrat, it's elira, all of the soft evidence is there.
Posting termination is common tho in Japan.
But the way they got to that point and the abuse / imitation someone actually hospitalized due to the companies actions.l it where they go byebye
in turn, doki can also file a defamation lawsuit against Nijisanji and probably win with what happened. That's how bad niji's response was.
There's something really jarring about seeing a professional lawyer speaking with a green jelly Jotaro.
I was thinking of watching this stream but damn, it was like 5 hours long lol
Lol this is why I watch at 2x speed
@@asdf2098 a lot of videos are hard at 2x. I normally do 1.5x on youtube and 1.7x on spotify
The was an analysis by a comms guy I saw where he speculated that the initial, disastrous termination notice was due to Niji legal misinterpreting the personal account by Selen documenting her alleged experiences with bullying as something she was going to release publicly (rather than just a private notice for Niji legal), and trying to get out ahead of it.
39IQDaph got cooked and burn.
It's funny. If this ended at just Selen's termination I could say Niji was in the right at face value since I know from a corporate standpoint they want to be the ones with permissions instead of said employee as a means of covering their arses in the event something happens.
However, after hearing Selen's side of the story and Niji airing out their dirty laundry with her in their termination letter instead of letting her graduate, dragging other livers into this related to a legal situation they had no business being involved in it's hard to feel sorry for them in any way.
I wonder if the livers are even actual employees or if they're "contractors" or some nonsense
It's so funny how the girl who got bullied wanted this whole thing to be private and just wanted to leave the company. However the dumbasses at the company loaded the glock and shot themselves in the foot and made everything public😂
These people could have had the easy way out and fired the girl and moved on. But they just had to do stupidest things and break the NDA. And then go and tell everyone that they broke the NDA publicly and then blame it on her 😂
I can't get over how dumb the people in charge are.
Thanks for covering this specific topic!
Watched the whole 6 hours and he did a great job explaining things part by part with simple words and jargons that even those who don't have much knowledge about the laws he's mentioning would understand. Great guy!
And also the amount of people that supported her claims (being both either independent artists or actual brand owners) is staggering she has a really solid back up. So yeah she isnt defaming, its just they by following their own laws and procedures just shoot themselves in the foot.
Yeah, they only attack her because they cant do anything to others that backing her. If they were so sure its defamation, they should atrack her and her backers as well but they choose to gan BANG her.
I saw the stream but didn't watch it to the end, it went from around morning until night for me.
The dude's a madlad
I think that something taking 1 week or 2+ days when it could be done right away in 10 minutes is without context a pretty normal thing and I believe people who answer tickets every day will be very familiar with this. People who answer phone calls with queues as well
Now this is an opinion that's worth value.
Loved seeing a professional's take on the situation.
39Dork looking hella dumb right now.
Who is that jotaro vtuber looking like that green emoji in geometry dash saying “FIRe In THe HOLE”!?!?
about the song in question: Selen (now: Dokibird) apparently worked for a year on it. and i highly doubt it, she did it in secret all the time. this makes me assume, (her) management should have had lots of time to check all of it and to check that she had the OK of all rights owners involved.
and one more thing: how can i believe any allegations about her "violating" the rules, if it is stated that she did so since her debut. and yet noone seemed to have any issues with that alleged behavior - or otherwise NijiSanji would have punished or terminated her years ago over it.
Actually no.
1.Just my assumption, since i dont work in niji. They know what she work under. Then some vtubers who was in the video is graduated/terminated. Selen refuse to delete them, niji dont give her right to use other vtubers images.
2. If your mistakes is minnor - no one care until you make a profit. And Selen, as much as i know, was popular, which mean profitable.
I still think the Problem with the permissions was that the permissions were given a year ago and management wasn't sure if all the permissions are still there (especially for livers that left the company during that year). Still a problem of bad management tho.
actually if you watch the video at the last 20-30 minutes I think. You will got the answer for permission thingy.
And it way beyond what people expect from this clip itself since this clip only cover the termination notice.
@@fallendotid2386 Don't think there is a proper answer for anything in this case beyond speculation since most of it is under NDA and behind the scenes but I'll check it out once I have 7 hours to spare lol
@@Shinobin333 you will get it later and its fine, good luck catching up.
Let's see the Nijisisters foaming at the mouth trying to discredit this dude for pointing out Nijisanji's insanity lol.
I heard that, after he dissected and tore apart their anti-doki document, they shut down their discord. Like, completely gone.
@@crayishikara good, i expect them to be silent and like a good girl, not bitching like menhera😂
I'm keeping my expectations low, but remaining hopeful that they won't stoke the flames again.
Ah yes the pr and legal nightmare that will forever be covered in law classes around the world.
Hate that nijisanji thinks they can do those things like big companies can basically do legal crime
This was apparently going to be 2 hours long but he became fascinated.
The S's from the lawyer guy come out really sharp through headphones. Kind of hurts to listen to.
Dude, I'm trying to play devil's advocate for Niji's defence, and MY GOD this is like putting out fires while spreading accelrants in an open fire.
I thought they would have to follow Canadian law since she’s in Canada
i kinda regret being on opposite part in Zaion drama last time.
turns out it's a bigger case of "a nail that stood up are going to be hammered in"
and now it happened to Selen.
but the management clearly underestimated the range of influence that Selen have already gained from the beginning of her career until the incident.
they did the same move they've used on Zaion. termination and livers statement to actually plucked out the nail instead of hamerring it.
but the same trick clearly didn't work twice.
the yatch sank after burned in blazing fire.
Even me who taken neutral stances be like: WTH, Niji doing even worse than last time?! I dont give them another benefits (of doubt) anymore. F--K u Kurosanji!
Especially after the black screen vod. If only they dont release that trash, people would treat this as another zaion cases and let it be. Now their livers complaining that death threats everywhere blaming people online but not among themselves who did black screen vod SMH
I mean deaththreats are around even without any dramas and they taunting the entire internet with black screen vod, even anyone that you not expect covering vtubing community joining the fray...
I think releasing the notice is good for something like Vtubing. I would be very upset if they terminated someone I like without explaining anything. As long as Vtubing history goes, it is still pretty new and pretty much depending on fans/people who come by to support them but in this case they know it's a breach of contract they know something not proper happened and they still went this far into detail in the notice? That's like outting yourself. Like a certain old man from a certain organization once said: "that's a bad move"
Unfortunately in cases where talent is directly interacting with fans, vtuber companies need to be more open with their notices of termination. The fact that the notice was so unhinged is a different story