Thank you! I've always wanted to draw a distinction between a synth performance and a synth demonstration. I could, and do, play these things all the live-long day... but what I do with them is the result of decades of performance and synthesis experience. You, the viewer, are not going to do with the synth what I do with the synth. If people want to admire my music and what I do with synths (and they do, in performance videos), that's cool... but my purpose here is education, exploration, and a portrayal of what each individual function does so that the user both learns the importance of each function, and has a sense of what they'll get from each function. This new trend of "no talking" is fine for others, but as far as I'm concerned, those who seek a lack of talking are welcome to view someone else's videos. :D
Possibly the most useful, pragmatic video I have ever seen about vocoders. Thanks for thinking out of the box, everyone else focuses on sounding like Kraftwerk and ELO. Good work, both liked and subscribed :)
finally the video I've been waiting for. many thanks!! this is what i wanted to hear before committing to this instrument. i've done this type of cross synthesis w/ many different tools, and the Behringer vocoder really does it well (based on this video).
Being able to use external carrier (line in) signals on the Behringer VC-340 is a real selling point... the Electrix Warp Factory vocoder rack unit allowed you to do this as well. Most virtual analog synths with a vocoder skipped the external carrier capability which makes them exactly about 1/2 the fun. Formants (mic in) is fun but not the full story as you capably demonstrated. Takes some bravery to pull out old material and re-examine it in a public forum... so thanks for that as well.
That's awesome. I'm not a vocal guy so I'd feel weird buying a vocoder, but just the strings and voice on it are awesome, and using the vocoder as a sound processor has a lot of interesting potential.
always wondered about running outside sources on a vocoder, can't say I would use these outside sound sources in my music though.Overall a very good presentation and thanks for satisfying my curiosity on this subject.
And a post script: Haven't done this in too many years. Used to get bizonker sounds. Honestly, "learning" how to produce has done more to kill my ability to innovate. I remember when I didn't know what I was doing, just smashing sounds together and going by ear, each song had so much inventiveness in it. It was all mostly unmixable though, haha, but still, I've got to figure out a way to get back to that. I know this is silly and totally normal by this point, but I've been sending my synths and drum machines through old school noisy effects pedals. The sound is so crude and usually noisy, but to my ears, it's so much more interesting than "quality" rack gear, or the whiz bang pristine vst effects that fill my drop downs. My challenge though, as it always has been (but I guess I have a shot at it now) is to make translateable/listenable mixes out of these rough and ready sounds, sounds produced by things you shouldn't do. Step one will be to start abusing some vocoders. This Behringer (a name that has gone from a curse to a blessing) vocoder sounds awesome, but there are vst vocoders as well. How about vocoder inception? Take a vocoder's output, which is produced from a carrier and modulator (hate those terms, always been a barrier to me understanding what is going on, don't know why though), and then using that output as a modulator, then using a second vocoder's output (so again, the product of a carrier and modulator) as the carrier, and then running the vocoder 1 as modulator and vocoder 2 as carrier into a third vocoder. See? Vocoder inception! My intuition is simpler more traditional sources for the first vocoders' modulators and carriers will work better in the third vocoder rather than starting out with really whacked out sounds in the first round of vocoding. If you start whacked out and then whack the sounds out even more, you might be left with gibberish, somewhat like this comment, but then again, I am apparently a fan of gibberish. I'll try the monumental task of actually updating this comment with my results. Holiday travel will at least give me some time with my laptop, headphones and a ménage à trois of vocoders.
@@chinmeysway Not much right now, my fourtrack is in extreme distress. I get a huge numbing bass tone out of one of the channels. It's not like a ground hum, it's like a Klingon weapon that makes everyone in my studio fall in different directions. I'm no EE, but I have a sense of some things by this point, but I have no clue what is going on there. So, have been 2 tracking it to a 1/4" mastering deck, and then sending that into daw for construction. But I only have rando tape, I'm thinking most of it is Ampex, (no shed) if the reels are to be believed, it's a middle brown color, seems like mediumish thickness. I haven't calibrated my deck yet. I intend to pick up some new tape and a proper calibration reel to get the most out of my deck, but I'm not there yet. When I bought this deck, new tape manufacturers were just coming on line, and the tape was relatively reasonably priced, but those prices have gone up considerably while I wasn't paying attention! So I'm sniping old used tape off of ebay for the time being. How about u?
Sometimes when you applied an external synth as carrier it sounded a bit like a flanger or phaser at extreme settings. Cool stuff, definitely a lot of work!
Thanks! I'm assuming you cannot use the synth input alone and need to duplicate the signal (or split the L&R) and use that for mic input also, before the VCA kicks in and allows the signal through. Does that sound about right? I'm getting nothing from the Synth input alone and noticed you always have a signal going to both inputs. Thank you!
wait so question, basically i could just use a saw wave with from an external synth, run it into the vc340 and use the vocoder as if the saw wave carrier had a vocoder?? i need full clarification because i'm about ready to buy this lol
and i'm more specifically talking about being able to use the vc340 as the mic while using the other synth as a carrier signal with a 100% clean unmodified source, not at all affected by anything on the vc340!
I'm bitter too. But these people have been damaged in utero, and were then poisoned relentlessly in their infancy. They're not responsible for their inability to relate to human beings. How crushingly sad is that, though? Anyway, keep on doing your thing.
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Don't stop talking. That's why I watch. To learn stuff. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you! I've always wanted to draw a distinction between a synth performance and a synth demonstration. I could, and do, play these things all the live-long day... but what I do with them is the result of decades of performance and synthesis experience. You, the viewer, are not going to do with the synth what I do with the synth. If people want to admire my music and what I do with synths (and they do, in performance videos), that's cool... but my purpose here is education, exploration, and a portrayal of what each individual function does so that the user both learns the importance of each function, and has a sense of what they'll get from each function.
This new trend of "no talking" is fine for others, but as far as I'm concerned, those who seek a lack of talking are welcome to view someone else's videos. :D
@@automaticgainsay Spot on ! You keep on doing, talking and educating,, your experience is vastly appreciated.
This channel is a true hidden gem on youtube .. really deserves way more subs and views for the value of his insight he provides in these videos
Possibly the most useful, pragmatic video I have ever seen about vocoders. Thanks for thinking out of the box, everyone else focuses on sounding like Kraftwerk and ELO. Good work, both liked and subscribed :)
finally the video I've been waiting for. many thanks!! this is what i wanted to hear before committing to this instrument. i've done this type of cross synthesis w/ many different tools, and the Behringer vocoder really does it well (based on this video).
behringer really have gone from junk to genius ... gotta respect that.
It's called having enough money to buy up all the other companies that exist
Hahaha, "let's wait until the talking stops". I know that one :) Great content Marc. Makes me want one, you know what. I will get one.
that "sorry I'm bitter" made my day. thx :D
Being able to use external carrier (line in) signals on the Behringer VC-340 is a real selling point... the Electrix Warp Factory vocoder rack unit allowed you to do this as well. Most virtual analog synths with a vocoder skipped the external carrier capability which makes them exactly about 1/2 the fun. Formants (mic in) is fun but not the full story as you capably demonstrated. Takes some bravery to pull out old material and re-examine it in a public forum... so thanks for that as well.
I was just thinking about this EXACT thing two days ago! Thanks, Marc!
That's awesome. I'm not a vocal guy so I'd feel weird buying a vocoder, but just the strings and voice on it are awesome, and using the vocoder as a sound processor has a lot of interesting potential.
All the sounds you made were cool. If you were wondering.
wow youre making me want to break out my Roland VS 840ex! Havent seen one of those used in ages!
always wondered about running outside sources on a vocoder, can't say I would use these outside sound sources in my music though.Overall a very good presentation and thanks for satisfying my curiosity on this subject.
Fun as hell!❤🎉
#behringer killed it with this clone - fantastic machine, really is
And a post script: Haven't done this in too many years. Used to get bizonker sounds. Honestly, "learning" how to produce has done more to kill my ability to innovate. I remember when I didn't know what I was doing, just smashing sounds together and going by ear, each song had so much inventiveness in it. It was all mostly unmixable though, haha, but still, I've got to figure out a way to get back to that. I know this is silly and totally normal by this point, but I've been sending my synths and drum machines through old school noisy effects pedals. The sound is so crude and usually noisy, but to my ears, it's so much more interesting than "quality" rack gear, or the whiz bang pristine vst effects that fill my drop downs. My challenge though, as it always has been (but I guess I have a shot at it now) is to make translateable/listenable mixes out of these rough and ready sounds, sounds produced by things you shouldn't do.
Step one will be to start abusing some vocoders. This Behringer (a name that has gone from a curse to a blessing) vocoder sounds awesome, but there are vst vocoders as well. How about vocoder inception? Take a vocoder's output, which is produced from a carrier and modulator (hate those terms, always been a barrier to me understanding what is going on, don't know why though), and then using that output as a modulator, then using a second vocoder's output (so again, the product of a carrier and modulator) as the carrier, and then running the vocoder 1 as modulator and vocoder 2 as carrier into a third vocoder. See? Vocoder inception!
My intuition is simpler more traditional sources for the first vocoders' modulators and carriers will work better in the third vocoder rather than starting out with really whacked out sounds in the first round of vocoding. If you start whacked out and then whack the sounds out even more, you might be left with gibberish, somewhat like this comment, but then again, I am apparently a fan of gibberish. I'll try the monumental task of actually updating this comment with my results. Holiday travel will at least give me some time with my laptop, headphones and a ménage à trois of vocoders.
interesting and noisy over overproduced hifi is def my jam sandwiches. four track much?
@@chinmeysway Not much right now, my fourtrack is in extreme distress. I get a huge numbing bass tone out of one of the channels. It's not like a ground hum, it's like a Klingon weapon that makes everyone in my studio fall in different directions. I'm no EE, but I have a sense of some things by this point, but I have no clue what is going on there.
So, have been 2 tracking it to a 1/4" mastering deck, and then sending that into daw for construction. But I only have rando tape, I'm thinking most of it is Ampex, (no shed) if the reels are to be believed, it's a middle brown color, seems like mediumish thickness.
I haven't calibrated my deck yet. I intend to pick up some new tape and a proper calibration reel to get the most out of my deck, but I'm not there yet. When I bought this deck, new tape manufacturers were just coming on line, and the tape was relatively reasonably priced, but those prices have gone up considerably while I wasn't paying attention! So I'm sniping old used tape off of ebay for the time being.
How about u?
Sometimes when you applied an external synth as carrier it sounded a bit like a flanger or phaser at extreme settings. Cool stuff, definitely a lot of work!
indeed it does Martin and was my 1st impression when i heard this machine perform on this topic
Thanks! I'm assuming you cannot use the synth input alone and need to duplicate the signal (or split the L&R) and use that for mic input also, before the VCA kicks in and allows the signal through. Does that sound about right? I'm getting nothing from the Synth input alone and noticed you always have a signal going to both inputs. Thank you!
Doty bitter? With a synthesizer? At Christmas? Bah Humbug!!!
Can an external synth be played just through the ensemble/chorus of the VC340 without using the microphone/vocoder on it?
You never talk to much man, don’t worry
wait so question, basically i could just use a saw wave with from an external synth, run it into the vc340 and use the vocoder as if the saw wave carrier had a vocoder?? i need full clarification because i'm about ready to buy this lol
and i'm more specifically talking about being able to use the vc340 as the mic while using the other synth as a carrier signal with a 100% clean unmodified source, not at all affected by anything on the vc340!
Mine arrives tomorrow :)
Thumbs up! :)
Talking stops @ 5:32 - 7:54 😏
GHOST HANDS
NeuronalAxon lovely thanks
NeuronalAxon is lying to all of you. The talking NEVER STOPS. It is ALL TALKING.
@@automaticgainsay - But the talking's all vocoded, so it's technically OK!
Getting some CHIPS chase scene vibes around 12-13 minutes in.
I'm bitter too. But these people have been damaged in utero, and were then poisoned relentlessly in their infancy. They're not responsible for their inability to relate to human beings. How crushingly sad is that, though?
Anyway, keep on doing your thing.
Wonder what it sounds like
Seriously.
You said you’re bitter about comments. I’d like to be constructive. You did talk for too long and you could really improve your editing overall
Psh