Islam or any faith isn't a threat to democracy-not merely on its own. It needs something else too…
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
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How come Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey and Sri Lanka remain constitutional, democratic and stable despite Islam and Buddhism respectively, but Pakistan, Bangladesh and Myanmar don’t? It isn’t a mere faith that threatens democracy in a country, any faith. It is the combination of faith and military. Watch this week's National Interest with ThePrint Editor-in-chief Shekhar Gupta.
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"Not sure watching the templeton ad"!
Tujhe Pakistan ka itna kyu padi hai bhai
Islam kills everything. humanity, constitution, democracy, secularism, innocent lives.. everything. Islam is threat to entire Humanity and the world.
Another gem of stupidity by Shekhar Coupta , the cult itself doesn't want democracy and that's why most of the Islamic territories are theocratic but their pet Coupta tries in all possible ways to portray their masters democratic . Out of 50 odd islamic countries can coupta tell what percentage of them are democratic?
while making this selective assessment with SL and Indonesia, SG is ignoring the total number of countries which have muslim majority and how many of them are democracies Or are they all ruled by kings or army or a pseudo democracies like Pak. What about the entire Arab world, what about Lebanon which switch to near-autocracy the moment they went from Christian majority to muslim majority. People like SG who sugar coat and compare with outliers are the reason militant islams are getting a free ride.
Indonesia had 20 years of millitary rule ....and second still army had backing jn it and turkey had 3 times coups but not successful third malaysia you better know there racial hate 😂 and quota system which is for majority
you cannot hide in the name of turkey,malaysia and indonesia democracy
you cant compare converts of south asia with malaysia,turkey and indonesia🤣 ,
you should compare them with afganistan, both have similar mentality
If you understand malaysia, the one one you call racial hate in Malaysia still far more tolerance and acceptance then racial and religious strife happening in india. I am hindu from malaysia.
@@sureshnaidu201 yes that’s why 3 sentence by Malaysian is about race. It only amazes me that it does not comes in street cause minorities might get wiped out in a week if line is crossed.
Do you know counting Mr. Shekhar Gupta?? Just count how many Islamic country are there.... and how many are democractic... a simple arithmatic will be most basic strating point...such philosophy will not be required
USA doesn’t want democracy in Muslim countries
are you talking about becoming western slave aka democracy,
SG has really gone old. His ability to think clearly and outside his echo chamber is less. Every momin dreams of an !slamic Caliphate - which actually is an army dictatorship. That exactly are how those countries are. SG doesn't see the straight line between "what they want" and "what they get". Its a different matter if they are satisfied with what they get. Pakistan IS a Caliphate. Perhaps soon, Bangladesh will also become a Caliphate. Cheers and best wishes!
Ok don't cry..🤣🤣🤣
SG first gives verdict and then finds the supporting proofs 😂😂
Not entirely correct. Some religious systems are fundamentally intolerant with diversity of thoughts, whereas some others are fundamentally plural in their thoughts.
Some believe in good vs evil binary, where some others see shades of gray in its worldview and philosophy.
Electoral democracy means little compared to the notion called "Republic".
Electoral democracy in an immature country will destroy it, where possibly a kingdom kind of things would have worked all, till the foundation of Republics are in place - the propeople institutions of the state.
Electoral democracy is some sort of mobo-crazy only.
The Republic, where citizens and the fundamental inalienable rights are more important, and state, which must always be chained, is fundamentally a matter of convenience.
Naturally all 3rd world countries are banana republics including India.
What is saving India - its civilizational plurality, people are different and they know that and respect that. So binaries do not work here.
True
excellent analysis - I was surprised with this episode - and what SG is trying to do
Shhhh ... yeh tho dhothi kol raha hai (meme)
MR SG , please read the comments section. That has more worth than your dumb video.
ISLAM and DEMOCRACY, its like Water and Fire.
People like SG used to get away in pre Social Media days. Write something in news paper or magazine and vanish. Reader feedback was non existent.
Today people like SG and their fake reporting gets massively called out in Social Media. In fact the comments section to this video is 1000% times more realistic and intelligent that the no brainer fake video promoting ISLAM and Democracy....lol
ISLAM believes only in Sharia Iaw and everything else is Kafir principle of governance.
Nope, respectfully disagree.
Tell me example where no army + Islam and there is no democracy. All dictatorship are army + islam
GIVE COUNTERS I AM INTERESTED
And he calls this as "National Interest"!
Yup, the muslim philosophy is fundamentally opposed to Equality, Justice, and Respect of other communities.
@@suvansh29 I respectfully disagree, there are fundamental extremists in every religion look at the world history. Religion is not the problem some people are.
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman, UAE : Are they islamic countries, are they democracies?
Why do you have to lie, Mr SG?
Dear Guptaji, do you think we, the viewers are schoolchildren?
He does actually.
MR SG , please read the comments section. That has more worth than your dumb video.
ISLAM and DEMOCRACY, its like Water and Fire.
People like SG used to get away in pre Social Media days. Write something in news paper or magazine and vanish. Reader feedback was non existent.
Today people like SG and their fake reporting gets massively called out in Social Media. In fact the comments section to this video is 1000% times more realistic and intelligent that the no brainer fake video promoting ISLAM and Democracy....lol
ISLAM believes only in Sharia Iaw and everything else is Kafir principle of governance.
You are totally wrong. Turkistan started with Ata turk. A person so fierce in his conviction that Turk culture came first before Islam. He forced a secular country. Just like how, Bangladesh chose the bangla identity in 1971. Here is the problem.. every democracy with Islamic supermajority slowly degrades its fabric of democracy. We see that even in turkey now, the turkey today is nothing like the turkey of 30 years back. Islam only ever remained benign, when a strong man with absolute power ruled forcing moderation.
And stop using bad examples. Indonesia has areas of its country that have Sharia law applied, did not need an army to do that. The only reason it has not applied uniformly across the entire country is because of the natural border of islands.
So stop muddling the clear correlation of islam and decline of democratic values.
Unhyphenated lie.
Go away you bhakt.🤣
@@DataCrusade1999 Why? Kafirs are not allowed? Am I supposed to give jaziya.
Or are you allergic to the truth?
@@desibigfoot3874“Bhakt” being used as a pejorative term by a user id that romanticizes the “crusade”. One couldn’t caricature the deracinated hindu-named seculars any better even if one tried!! 😂
GUPTA JI SAD TODAY 😢 ..
😂😂
Let’s pretend a religion who has only had Caliphs is compatible with democracy 😂😂
SK goes way out of way to defend that Islamism isn't cause of trouble in Bangladesh
Way to go.man.. keep it up..Be in denial
If you cant put your country and your people before things how can democracy work ???? Yes sekhar islam is the only reason for not democracy ...even indonesian and turkey had copes
With due respect, sir, does any other religion have a concept like Caliph, which combines religion and politics?
If you listen to the Muslim conservatives, they will quote any number of references showing why democracy has basis in Islam, and in fact, only military power can be legitimate political power going all the way back to Muhammad.
Of course many Christian and Buddhist majority countries have had military rule, but I am sure you have the intelligence and integrity to distinguish what happens “because” vs “despite”.
Disagree - and the data and common sense are also not in favor of the episode - I am an atheist, liberal and on secular side and respect all religions (as evolutionary psychology) including Islam - but I do not think democracy, secularism and progressive thinking are possible in Islamic nation - we cannot take one or two examples here and there (it will be anecdotal fallacy). At least for a foreseeable future or may be as long as the earth exists - the school of Islam and their ideology is different - good or bad I won't judge - I just confine myself to democracy and progressive ideologies (they may be good or bad we do not know yet - this is a small phase of life compared to 200,000 years of human existence).
Well said Sir.
But there is only one relegion which says agar Juda ho deen siyasat se toh reh jati hai changezi. Islam is not only political ideology but also it is even biopoltics.
The political pundit Mr. Shekhar Gupta forgot to mention Israel, officially a Jewish state and very much a competitive democracy with even Arab parties in their parliament! I guess everyone has a bad day in office once in awhile.
Soft touching Islam as a governing ideology will not wash!
11:05 Indira’s “socialist” and “secular” in preamble are not progressive. These are the two most abused ideas which have held this country back economically and politically.
Yea, and Savarkar is to be the Father of the Nation not Mahatma Gandhi 😅
@@mg.f.9023wasn't secular added later? India is not secular at all when govt run temples.
secular in india means islamist :)
@@mg.f.9023of course he is the father of the Nation , he gave the modern view of Hindutva and Rashtravaad.
Gandhi is not the father of the nation, there is no such thing as the father of the Nation .
@@RaviChaudhary-ys2re
Savarkar who asked the British for Pension?
I would much respect Mahatma Gandhi & Chandrashekar Azad, Bhagat Singh for their sacrifices and giving their lives for our Nation.
Islam political power military power can't be separated
The Islamic hardliners, waiting in the wings, will show their true colours very soon and then the 'youths' of Bangladesh would understand the benifits of living in a democracy. By leaning towards Pakistan the basic sentiment is very clear! Lets wait and watch.....
Completely disagree sir. P.s You got Sharia law in many parts of Indonesia.
In what stretch of imagination Turkey is democratic, SG has gone mad?
I think he meant it's founding ethos. But he did agree that this is now fast eroding.
They have election and erdagon can lose election
i dont know why this channel prepares baseless theories like searching a needle in sea and trying to prove that they are no 1 secularist because of these people india suffered a lot
Its true. Islamic countries can't be democratic. Look at number 3/57 countries
Mr Gupta trying to gaslight his audience because he takes them for imbeciles! 🤣😅
Islam and Democracy is still not compatible.....Good try by Shekar sir....Tukey is the modern country, thanks to the founding fathers inclination towards west.....couple of more years of Erdagon, they will be more Islamic than anyone else....Indonesia elite has deep roots in India and hence both the countries that he has listed has reasons to be democratic...
Well said
Indonesian leader rooted in india? Who? Sukarno and suharto are both dictator
In 57 peaceful majority countries how many have democracy. Watch ADAM SEEKER URDU and exmuslim SAHIL to know more about "religion of peace"
Looks like Shekhar Gupta ji haven't read Terrorism Manual Qrn.
Sekhar sir more of propogandist rather than journalism
I was reading the comments. Seems like no one agrees with you. Not sure what wishful thinking you were applying. But the voices are clear.. your analysis misses the mark by a mile.
It's simple, is it religion before constitution or Constitution trumps religion. If you answe yes to the 1st you get Pakistan.
If you answer yes to the later you get India.
me when I defend modi rashtra 🤡
@@howdoifindaname2743 Wait till you see Yogi Rastra. Cheers and best wishes!
Shekhar Gupta is a huge Muslim apologist and thats why I lost interest in his videos
And still you watched this one... like others😂😂😂😂
But bhakt you are here.
@@DataCrusade1999 Andhnamazi the entire comment section is about you. Worry about that.
@@mrSamirsri We lose interest in something doesn't mean we'll stop watching it altogether. Your attempt at humour is pathetic.
@@iansmith8275 Yeah today I thought i teach you bhakts a lesson🤣 and i suppose now that you know I'm everywhere means you also spammed this comment section. Finally you bhakt you have met your master.
Islam proved its problems so many times still you want to prove it right
There are a few Buddhist countries that has few rough monks that are influential.
It is shame for you to target Buddhism this way.
There were a few rough and influential Buddhist monks once upon a time in Sri Lanka but that is A FEW and for Momentarily only.
Buddhist shrines have been decimated in many countries including here in India and overseas but no one took violent acts of terrorist.
If you look up reliable real data you will find other religions have participated more in killings and torture.
Wake up, wake up.
I still have half belief in Mr. Gupta's unhyphenated journalism campaign. Please do a session on the data revealed by Dr Shamika Ravi's (EAC_PM) presentation on India on how Muslim and Christian majority clusters (districts) in India are fast becoming mono religious , and how hindu majority clusters are all the same. Hard data slaps you , Mr. Gupta
one thing noticed is SG is steadfast in his old style views of 1990s-2010. Despite so much criticism in the comments he always stands. his ground. .. there are only 2 things that can be true one is that he does not care about the pulse of the nation or vox populi or he is busy with his editorial stuff does not get enough time to read comments or understand people ..
somewhere if there is something one needs to learn is be consistent in one 's views actions and conduct, come what may. This applies to all Chillao type TV journalists who changed the tone once the verdict went against the ruling dispensation.
That's why these breed of journalists are out of touch with people. That's why their journalism is full of complaints that people are not what they want them to be; as if the rest of people owe it to these journalists that they behave according to their wishes. Cheers and best wishes!
@@PanakaluPoonakam" their journalism is full of complaints....... behave accordingly to their wishes "
Wow!! Just loved what you said. However it was a simple and obvious observation. These people have gone bonkers when they expect people to act according to their whims and fancies. Few days ago I was listening arguments that people should support women sports and I was like no ine owes women sports or actress anything to watch their stuff. If they like they would go. Stop complaining why people don't recognise you and why aren't you making millions. Stop complaining and stop believing that world owes you. 😅
Sekharji please stop propaganda.... tell the truth...how many Muslim country has working democracy?? Less than the no of finger of human hand.... What happen to hindus in Bengladesh and Pakistan.... tell the truth....
What seku Gupta says!!!!!!!!.
What is khilafat
Taklu logic
3 of 50 Muslim countries have democracy. So Islam and democracy have no issues together
Hardly notice any comment above favoring shekahr gupta's views. He should take note of it.
Hindu Rashtra asap. Almost all Muslim majority countries are constitutionally Islamic (with exceptions of turkey, Azerbaijan and Indonesia I think). So it's no big deal to declare Hindu rashtra as well.
There is no consensus amongst Hindus themselves
Yea, and Sanskari Brij Bushan and Prajval Revanna to become Ministers of women's welfare.
@@mg.f.9023 Your thought process seems very specific. Are you also inclined against women in the manner of the men you named?
@@mg.f.9023andh namazi spotted 😅
@@prashantchachadi6896
End of Bhakt's argument 😂
Uncle doesn’t know Islam but has courage to speak about it
GuptaJi, how many Islamic democracies can you name..I refer you to Ahmet T. Kuru Dept Pol. Sc. PhD/ UWashington "Authoritarianism and Democracy in Muslim Countries"
Get your ears check and listen to the video once again.
@@DataCrusade1999 hey crusade tell me the ratio sir saar 🤡
@@245manakis
I'm not Israeli can't offer you bhakts validation with that SAAR🤣🤣
But if you really want an answer then ask again this time with proper salutations and due respect and I'll answer.
But then again that's expecting too much from a bhakt.
@@DataCrusade1999 as kar it cell
@@245manakis Well I'm in mood today so bhakts be beware.
With all due respect Shekhar ji, your opinion is like 'Washing powder nirma, washing powder nirma, ...... NIRMA'
Too simplistic approach. This is lazy journalism and poor analysis.
That's why I don't subscribe your channel 😂😂😂😂
It will be a huge lost opportunity if you did not collect the paycheck from Qatar already !
More Shekhar Gupta talks about Islam more he gets cluttered, more fault line get exposed.
Simplest rule of thumb: remove the outlier and what remains is the rule.Why has SG suddenly woken and defending this thing; Mohammed was the warlord plain and simple
Not just religion but any political ideology that the army adopts, that leads to chaos. After kamal Atataturk, it was the army that was suppose to hold the secularism of Turkey, which led to the failed coup attempt in 2016
any data considering all 59 Muslim majority countries? The argument made here cherry picked to make case
Again this Designer journalist selectively rejecting facts of islamic nations where, there is no possibility of democracy at all, exists no human rights, no minority rights and about their narrow communal thinking, Beautifully designed propagandist report👏😂.
Respectfully disagree
Is this episode sponsered by WAKF board???
Someone who loves data and research in every CTC is now making assumptions based on two exceptions. Exceptions only confirm the rule
It's certain that SG and The Print's team will not read these comments. Whatever we say, they will remain oblivious and in their bubble. However, no matter what is said about that religion and the armed forces, truth is otherwise. I had stopped my membership. Now I will unsubscribe and get lost from here.
Thanks to help me not subscribe!! Always defending 😂
Gupta Ji, What do you think about the Quota system in Pakistan that favors the majority? IDK why nobody talks about those things.
Disagree
Cultures evolve because of their relationship to the land in which they exist. Islam imposes a culture that existed in the deserts of Arabia, a very frugal and conservative culture, wherever it spreads and erases the local culture. The frugal and conservative nature are Islam's strengths. But it erases the local culture that may have existed for thousands of years. What happened to the Egyptian culture that built the pyramids? What happened to the Zoroastrian (Babylonian) culture of Iran and Iraq? What happened to the original cultures that existed in Indonesia and Malaysia? Just telling that Islam is no danger to democracy is simplistic. That is why Islam needs a strong push-back from spreading. It is a cancer which kills the culture which is the soul of the country it spreads. That push-back is happening only in places like Israel, India, and Myanmar.
Coupta ji...who will discuss the difference in radicalization level of muslims in indonesia and india. Pedestrian analysis
Then why are they demanding Sharia everywhere?
Karle justify tu
Drawing conclusion from examples is a logical fallacy. A person seeing an ambulance at an accident site more than a couple of times.may conclude that ambulances cause accidents
Disagree with you..
Shekhar is far better in CTC. May be because he doesn't express his biased opinions in there !! Read comments Shekhar, for a change, those are more honest than the article....
Take middle east
Good muslim servicing from Sekhar Gupta.
Please do not defend the indefensible. I know you want to fill the airtime with some topics to justify the subscription. Had you started the episode that this is an editorial, I could have given you a pass!
Talking abut Malaysia and Indonesia, the reason behind their liberalism is the multi ethenic population in both countries and absense of radical elements in political system. History is also one of the major reason too, south east asia, especially Indonesia has a significant influence of Hinduism in historical times and they still kept their roots preserved, which eventually brings the liberal sense in the masses, and which also makes their population less prone to the radical ideology which radical islamist leaders known to use around the world to take over and enjoy the total power on a particular region and people.
Learn how to count Shekhar Gupgta. And count the number of Islamic democracies (that allow other religions to coexist) on your five fingers.
People supporting burhan wani can’t be patriotic Indian. No to one country two constitutions. No to anyone saying we will march to Delhi with 1% of our population or else Modi should resign. please stop this nonsense. No learned person will take your crap dump
Can you tell me how many Islamic countries have democracies out of the total number of Islamic countries? Leaving aside the Islam- Army nexus. What about the Arabian peninsula? What about Sub Saharan Africa?
Mr Gupta; why take so much pains to justify Islam? No one asked for this episode or reasons and here you are; justifying them!!!! You are either going senile or getting paid by some rich sponsors for these.
Or... did you mean "Terrorists-Islam" combo kills democracy?
Yesterday someone called Shekhar a right winger and BJP supporter, that must have hurt really bad😅 so here comes the reposte! As for logic, once in a while its ok, give him some space for his age. 0:02
A. BJP is a majoritarian party
B. Majority of islamist countries have democracy.
I. Both statements are true
II. A is false B is true
III. Both are false
IV. A is true B is false
Sorry Shekhar we don't agree with you ....
We aren’t buying your platitudes and feel-good falsehoods any longer! Idolize desert dacoits and civilization will inevitably unravel. The speed may vary … but the destination is inescapable!!
Islam is antithesis of pluralism and democracy.
You are subversive
Shekhar is being politically correct at the cost of truth. Islam and democracy cannot coexist.
What a hypocrite fellow,have made this episode.Think very liberal,intelligent journalist.Boycott this type of journalism.Thumps down.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
no way the headline starts with what i just read 'islam doesn't kills democracy"
sure mr Gupta sure islam and democracy are like hinge and oil
None of the gulf countries are democratic and they have quite poor standard military.
Israel also has a supremacist ideology supported by religion. So Israel is democracy or not for you?
Why is background play off for this video? Please enable that
How about Turkey. Army had been the custodian of democratic values. We all know what is happening now, when the army is out of picture.
Shekhar, I beg your pardon. You are wrong. In India Islam can kill democracy without the Army.
The reason for the “divide” today, I feel is explained in a quote from the book “New clash of civilizations” by Minaz Merchant published in 2013.
“You reap what you sow and if any religious group sow the seeds of communalism by insisting on separate laws (and / or exclusivity) for themselves, they will reap the ill will of communal backlash”
I endorse his view as we have a precedence. The Caste system in India was created by affording separate laws, special privileges and political patronage to the upper castes. We do not want to repeat that by creating another privileged class with separate laws etc.; do we?
A “secular” democracy is one which has the same laws for all its citizens within which different religions practice their faith according to prevalent societal practices. A secular nation is not one which has different laws for different religions, which divides societies, allowing such divisions to be perpetually exploited by vested interests within and outside the country. Only “We the people” can change, without changing core values and just by emerging out of medieval era methods to make a difference in society.
Smell the coffee instead of beating around the bush
Forward Ho!
Amazing who all you are spokesperson for - cong, islam and who else. Inwould rather look at all 50+ islmaic countries and ask the qn how democracy works there instead of being selective. Common sense and real de hyphenated thinking. Cant expect here i know.
Mark my words no muslim majority could is democratic in any true sense of word. All Muslim majority with an exception of post 2000s Indonesia is the only Muslim majority democratic country.
Malaysia and Indonesia are democracy because they have some minority which is sizeable in number. I don't think you can find another function Islamic democracy. Those 2 are exception.
At least get your example correct, may be you don't have one
Myanmar people are in civil war for democracy only.
while making this selective assessment with SL and Indonesia, SG is ignoring the total number of countries which have muslim majority and how many of them are democracies Or are they all ruled by kings or army or a pseudo democracies like Pak. What about the entire Arab world, what about Lebanon which switch to near-autocracy the moment they went from Christian majority to muslim majority. People like SG who sugar coat and compare with outliers are the reason militant islams are getting a free ride.
what are you talking ? I have always trusted your forensic analyses on politics, current affairs, but saying islam alone doesn't k_ill democracy is like pandering to mullahs... Please refrain from such statement when you do not know islam.... The main motto of islam is دار الحرب دار الإسلام (Daar al Harb, Daar Ul islam), meaning "Fight till house of islam is established". There are roughly 57 islamic countries, may be one or two have democratically elected government, rest are governed by islam.......
Have you ever pondered why there's a picture of a sword under the Shahada on Saudi Arabia's national Flag? It is called سيف الدين (Saif Ud-deen) meaning "Sword-of-islam"
What a Joke 😂😂😂
This episode is sponsored by Zakir Naik
Have some integrity shekhar.
you're so lost babygirl 🤌
Fantastic