Primed and Loaded | Powhatan War Clubs
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Russell is back to introduce us to some of the melee weapons in the arsenal of the Powhatan people living in Tsenacommacah in the 17th century. If you have heard the word "tomahawk" before, then you have already been briefly introduced to one of these Virginia Indian weapons.
Here at the Jamestown-Yorktown Foundation we have staff from different and diverse backgrounds. Indigenous people are from all over the continent and do not all look the same. Our Indigenous staff pour time, energy, and passion into telling the story of the Powhatan people in Tsenacommacah and it can be hurtful when people assume their heritage based on their appearance. We expect staff and visitors alike to treat one another with respect regarding their culture and histories, so please keep this in mind when commenting. Thank you and enjoy the video!
They come from another continent, Asia.
@@shinrapresident7010 the first humans in the new world a 70,000 years before Colombus
@@GodsDumbLamb The first colonizers of the new world, yes.
@@shinrapresident7010 Not really colonizing, more so migrating
@@saudade7842 They settled land, built farms, slaughtered and enslaved each other for land and resources.
That's the definition of colonization.
The America's weren't some paradise utopia pre Spanish.
You clearly know nothing about the Mayans and Aztecs.
I remember reading about wooden weapons like clubs as a kid and thinking "there's no way this was all that lethal!" As an adult, I already knew better but I was messing with a Maori wooden war club and I tapped my head with it just to test it out and even that soft tap jarred my whole head and left a small bruise, lol! Weapons indeed!
Do that with a macuahuitl and you’ll bleed too
These weapons are awesome.
I'm a mix of cultures, most of which used some type of war club, I always love to see someone showing respect to their roots and showcasing some awesome and effective old school tools. Much respect.
All of this is so cool and worth preserving, glad y'all do what you do
We’re glad to share it with people like you who think it’s cool!
It's nice to know the origin of the term "tomahawk." I knew the word wasn't universal of Native American hatchets, but it was found somewhere in the East and kind of stuck with the settlers as they pushed west and I never knew that it referred to clubs as well as hatchets. Thanks for clearing that up.
This video was great! I wasn’t aware of ball-headed style warclubs featuring a rear facing spike projection, but it makes a lot of sense for combatives-kinda like a spike tomahawk (the metal trade axe, not the wooden warclub)-enables rapid transition from blow to backstroke, even to meat hook and tear down an opponent. I have seen many examples of the ball headed warclubs with a spike or stud set in the front (right in the middle of the ball geometry’s impact zone), but never rear facing like that. Very cool.
Also wasn’t familiar with the wooden saber style warclubs having flint blades inserted along their entire length. Reminds me of the Aztec type weapons. Definitely seems effective. Very cool content.
And, finally, a shameless plug, we’re making a warclub designed for modern everyday carry. It’s based on the historic ball style war clubs. A traditional Native American artist created the concept and suggested we collaborate, so we are and hopefully the first batch of warclubs will be finished within a few weeks time. So I’ve been doing more research into warclubs and came across your great video.
So fucking cool, dude. That blade reminds me of an Aztec/Mayan Macuhuitl.
Every time I curse my whole channel gets taken down..but awesome 👍
It’s Uber rare, I can hardly find it anywhere else online.
CUZ AFTER THE ENGLISH CAME THE POWHATAN LEARN HOW TO MAKE METAL AXES AND THEY STOP MAKING AND USING THAT.@@arkinyte13
@wewenang5167 Unless discussing some form of assimilation of individuals into the colonial culture about the 18th century, why would the Powhatan peoples abandon the making of wood or stone war clubs for metal? Powhatan people were capable weapon makers and their arms were effective and why learn to make a metal axe when they could be easily and freely traded for or bought from the English? In an account written about a 1610 trading expedition, William Strachey wrote that Captain Argoll provided to the Patawomeck 96 hatchets and 60 knives
@@JYFMuseums because metal is easier and cheaper in many cases. It’s inferior though to granite and hardwood or home, so I agree.
Super cool! I love my edged weapons, but clubs bring out the caveman in me.
The stone axe use to be used on trees also for firewood for meals
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Russel looks so cool lol
I'm Powhatan and 11 generations from Pocahontas
hey drew my friend long time no see i just looked up did the powhatans use guns and they did as well as war clubs and a sheild,bow and arrows,spear or a hatchet and maybe you can tell me how many powhatans there are currently including ,powhatan royal family members,royal guards,soldiers and special forces?
Sería genial una escuela donde se enseñe el arte del combate nativo americano ... saludos cordiales
Thanks for the vid.
awesome cosplay
Nice Video
Thanks!
If I may ask what’s the name of the war club that had flint blades it’s very interesting it’s kinda like a Mesoamerican Macuahuitl
The war club is the type the Powhatan would have referred to as a monacock.
@@JYFMuseums ty very much, that’s greatly appreciated , I always find First Nations weapon designs so interesting the Macuahuitl is my favorite. I also saw art of a Mississippian war club that look like it had rings or teeth , also did any other tribe did something similar with copper since many used natural copper that was already refined
@Jonathan Viera The Powhatan probably did not set set copper into their monacocks. There's not really any evidence, and the Powhatan are probably placing greater economic, social and religious importance on the relatively pure copper coming to them in trade. The stone would have worked very well.
George Percy did give a fascinating description while exploring the rivers probably into Appomattox territory in early May 1607, writing, "The eight day of May, we discovered up the river; we landed in the country of Apamatica; at our landing there came many stout and able savages to resist us with their bows and arrows in a most warlike manner, with swords at their backs beset with sharp stones and pieces of iron, able to cleave a man in sunder."
The English often refer to the monacock as the Powhatan sword or wooden sword. It is interesting that Percy specifically mentions pieces of iron, which may have been acquired in trade with European sailors in the decades prior to Jamestown's establishment.
@@JYFMuseums yeah people don’t seem to know much about that natives were trading with First Nations way before Jamestown, but ok that’s interesting ty for letting me know, such a shame it doesn’t get that much representation like the Ball headed War club and the Gunstock War Club which seems to get the most attention
Also I can assume the Flint version of this war club struggled against steel swords and armor but how effective was the iron blade version
@Jonathan Viera The difficulty with the monacock set with pieces of iron is that George Percy's quote is the only reference made about such a monacock. Even set with iron, a monacock probably would not have been effective against plate armour, mail or coats of jack. But the English use of armour was more so out of concern for the Powhatan warriors' skillful use of the bow, and probably less so for melee weapons like war clubs. The English would have certainly understood the lethality of such melee weapons, but also had no issue trading swords and axes to the Powhatan.
The second monohawk looks really interesting. Was that an influence that spread from Mesoamerica, or is that just something that was developed independently among the Algonquin confederacies of the Southeast?
We just do not know one way or the other, since unfortunately there is not enough evidence to make a determination.
Or, it's a practical innovation found among peoples with similar requirements and material limitations. There's no good reason to assume a single-point origin.
Hey how are ya?
im expecting that these war clubs were meant to be used with shields because they seem to be very front heavy and are very difficult to parry with
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@armymen7170 We now have a video covering Powhatan shields -- ruclips.net/video/nErwxfvdXKg/видео.html
Hey friend! Miss seeing you and dancing in the circle my man. Good interpreter of weapons! Wouldn't want to get hit with any of those! Would need a BIG bandage for that! Hope to catch up at a Pow Wow soon!
Did they actually kill with those clubs? Or just knock people out?
These war clubs are weapons of warfare, and as such are rather capable of delivering fatal injuries, especially severe head and brain traumas.
You might be thinking of the coup stick, it was intended to touch, not kill the enemy, in order to get bragging points. The only other non-lethal native American weapons I can think of are from the Aztecs, I think they had a kind of Shepherd's crook, and nets.
Ever heard of a culture that makes big ass clubs to just knock people out?
Any records of Cherokee pre-columbian tribal Warfare?
We have not encountered any references to Powhatan/Cherokee warfare, if that is the question. There are various stories of intertribal warfare prior to European arrival, but not between those two groups.
@JYFMuseums yeah what are the stories about intertribal Warfare before Europeans.
Native American Indians were awesome people that knew how to live happily off the land and knew how to respect the Creator and the earth which provided food and shelter and happiness, simplicity there's still a lot to be learned from the native American people.
They were and are humans just like us. They did live close to nature, but you seem to completely ignore the essential violent aspects of most native nations. "Live happily of the land " seems very dishonest description of bloody warrior cultures.
They were very peaceful people until the Europeans came and started taking their gold ,silver, land ,raping their women and children and killing them by the hundreds, death marching them from TN , North Carolina, Alabama Georgia, the Indian removal act. They were just trying to fight for their freedom and the way of life they had been living before they were invaded by fucking tyrants.
@@hankrichardson9057 We are happy to have you participate in our comment section, but we ask that you respect our other users and viewers and refrain from vulgar language.
As we have these discussions, let us be careful to not compress the thousands of native cultures of the Americas down to a single caricature of the many. The people of the Americas are going to express the same human nature that every other human culture across the world will express. One universal reality of human nature is violence and warfare. When Powhatan came to power, he inherited the authority over six tribes from his mother. At the time of English arrival in Virginia, Powhatan holds control over more than thirty tribes. Violence and warfare were part of his hold on authority.
@JYFMuseums The joy it brings me to see you go out of your way to correct this assumption, You've certaintly esrnt a subscriber off that alone, and If I'm ever across the pond i'll make sure to pay a visit
@@xenon8342 people seem to think that because native tribal war wasn't these huge affairs of Roman Legions decimating each other in civil war that war in the new world didn't exist. Sure it was small scaled, but fights over hunting/fishing grounds, farmable land and simple control/politics must have been absolutely brutal. Imagine tribal forces butchering themselves with the weapons from the video. Must have been its own hell.
Looks like someone likes the Last of the Mohicans lol
wish they had used coconuts instead of melons, would be much closer to a real head
Save a tree bro lols
Mesquite is everywhere and you can just take a branch section by the time summer rollls by it grows back 4 times stronger some mesquite do well pruned they come back they don’t just die