What Nobody Talks About… A Convo with Dr. Yoyo Wu
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- In this episode of A Convo with…, I got to sit down with Dr. Yoyo Wu, aka my aunt. As the head of Yuning Physical and Mental Clinic (宇寧身心診所) in Taiwan, Yoyo Ayi has dedicated decades to advancing autism advocacy and providing innovative care for individuals with autism. Her expertise in mental health and her commitment to making a difference 自閉症認識 helped countless families navigate the challenges of autism.
Since moving to Taipei, I’ve visited her clinic and witnessed the impact of her work firsthand. This conversation gave me the chance to dive deeper into her journey, the challenges she’s faced, and what continues to inspire her.
The goal of this podcast is simple: to learn, and to learn with you all, from the people I know and meet. Speaking with industry experts like Yoyo Ayi is a way to share knowledge and gain inspiration together.
This episode focuses on understanding autism better, fostering compassion, and building stronger connections.
Thanks for tuning in.
在這一集的 A Convo with… 中，我和我的阿姨-吳佑佑，（我叫她佑佑阿姨）坐下來聊了聊。身為台灣宇寧身心診所 (Yuning Physical and Mental Clinic) 的負責人，吳醫師在自閉症倡導和創新療法方面投入了數十年的努力。她在心理健康領域的專業知識以及幫助自閉症患者的熱忱，幫助了無數家庭渡過難關。
自從搬到台北後，我有機會參觀她的診所，親眼目睹她工作帶來的影響力。這次對話讓我更深入了解她的旅程、她面對的挑戰，以及她持續努力的動力來源。
這個播客的目標很簡單：學習。希望透過與像吳佑佑醫師這樣的行業專家交流，把這些寶貴的經驗分享給大家。
這一集的主題是更好地了解自閉症，如何培養更多同理心，並建立更緊密的連結。
希望你們會收聽，跟我一起學習！
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As a parent with kids on the spectrum, I very much appreciate the discussion. Been following your journey for years because of basketball, but never expected you to cover topics like this. One of the activities I always dreamed about doing with my kids was playing and coaching basketball, but it's tough right now. l am still learning how to make lemonade from the situation.
感謝吳佑佑醫師發人省思的談話,尤其台灣社會對自閉症患者在公眾場合不是很友善的對待,這集的對談,真的很棒,也讓我對自閉症患者(尤其無口語能力者)稍有認知一些!
Long comment, only read if you're curious about someone's own experience with autism and, eventually, becoming liberated to actually live a fulfilling life despite the challenges associated with autism in our current culture.
Not gonna lie, this was a _hard_ episode to get through, but I'll forever be thankful to you guys having this conversation. For most of my childhood I had severe issues with being verbal or being able to explain my pain and emotions so the stuff about the severe health problems hit home. I remember times where I was at the doctor or begging my parents to understand the pain I was in but, no matter how hard they tried, their child was still in great pain. It's an awful situation to be in where you know you need help and you know you're in pain, but the very act of expressing it is causing your own parents extreme amounts of pain when they don't know how to help their child who is suffering. To this day I'm still dealing with both the trauma of the pain itself, but also the trauma of seeing the fear and suffering in my parents' eyes when they felt helpless to help their own child. This is why, as mentioned in the video, keyboards, picture cards, and more recently childhood sign language has been HUGE in helping nonverbal, neurodivergent, and other verbally-challenged people to express the same emotions that neurotypical people do and get us the help we need.
17:00 is _such_ an important point to make. I'm currently in the process of getting certified to work with teens and young adults who have suffered from childhood trauma and there's a deeply worrying number of people in this sector that have backwards and outdated practices and information ESPECIALLY regarding autism. There have been times when I have volunteered and the people in charge were shocked to learn I'm autistic or nonverbal for a significant portion of my life because they were convinced that autism was more or less a "type" of person rather than just the way our brains process information. I'll openly admit I'm guilty of the whole "thinking I know everything" in regards to my progress but shedding myself of that mindset has not only been liberating but actually makes life way easier because you become so much more open to possible solutions that you would've brushed off in the past.
22:26 *Thank you.* Words cannot express how much I appreciate the point that the world _doesn't have to be hard for most of us._ It's just that when the world has been made for neurotypical people in mind, oftentimes with ZERO bad intentions whatsoever, it leaves behind people like us and causes us to suffer from a lot of unnecessary prejudice when we can't do the same things because we're not given the right tools for it. With the recent rise of the neurodivergent movement and especially online content creators sharing their stories and techniques in life, I've been seeing a massive shift in the younger generations towards being far more accommodating not just to neurodivergent people but people from all walks of life. The fact that many schools in the US, albeit still not nearly enough, have IEPs or similar educational plans specifically for ADHD students rather than trying to force them to adapt to a neurotypical educational structure has revitalized my hope for the future like nothing else. I remember how deeply I suffered in my school life and it brings me joy when some of the clients I've worked with tell me about how much help they're getting in school and it's honestly healing my own trauma knowing kids aren't gonna suffer like I did. The path to actual change is still far too long and far too late for most people, but the fact that we're even on it feels like a miracle.
I typed up a ton more but this comment is long enough so I wanna finish by saying this: In terms of what can help autistic people the most, _always assume a second story._ Too often I see those who suffer when they're autistic isn't because of the autism itself but because so many people have expectations of how others act that autistic people just don't... get, at least without a ton of guidance and help. If you see someone angry at you for saying something, or far louder than what is socially acceptable, or have emotions and expressions that don't at all match what they're saying or the conversation at hand, always assume there must be a logical reason behind it. It's frequently said that being autistic is like being the only one in the play without a script, so most of the time autistic people are really just winging it when it comes to emotional reactions or what to say at what time, so sadly without a TON of practice and guidance we just get it wrong most of the time. To most, it sounds rude, it's "weird", or it can even cause genuine harm, but in cases where there is no acute damage or danger, just having in the back of your mind that they're just doing their best to guess emotions is HUGE in actually making conversations with autistic people go far smoother and with less frustration. Furthermore, and I can speak from experience on this one, doing that and even being very open and "obvious" about explaining emotions or how you're feeling is gigantic in helping us better understand the conversation but also help us in the future by having the expectations of conversation and emotion be laid out in a manner that we can follow along with.
From the bottom of my heart, thank you Dr. Yoyo Wu and thank you Jeremy for this. I had huge worries coming into this podcast given all the misinformation about autism out there but I teared up multiple times during this because it's so wonderful to hear someone actually understand it all and work on making the world a better, fairer place for us. It's the reason I went down the career path I'm on now and had I kept the mindset instilled in me growing up then I would've never realized that there was a path for me that was outside of care homes or living at home all my life. That isn't to say there's anything wrong with those paths in life, and everyone deserves far more respect and autonomy for living lives where they need help, but for many of us opportunities do exist but we can't take advantage of them when the world doesn't give us the chance.
@@salemthekit6143 Thank you for sharing your experience. The raise of awareness is very important. Though we still don't know how to treat people in need, we realize that's the expression that we don't need to scare of and give them understanding. Great respect to all contribute to help!
沒想到吳醫師是您阿姨，謝謝豪哥對這個議題的關心，台灣還充斥很多的未知與誤解，需要大家共同理解自閉症孩童、青少年甚至成人的困境。
I didn't expect that Dr. Wu is your aunt. Thank you, Brother Hao, for your concern about this issue. There are still many unknowns and misunderstandings in Taiwan, and we need everyone to understand the plight of autistic children, teenagers and even adults.
Love the legend on and off the court since young
I love love this podcast. I have two non speaking/ minimally speaking boys who are intelligent. Thanks for sharing their challenges and strengths w the world.
這次的主題很特別.居然不是關於籃球
沒想到豪哥的阿姨是在做那麼偉大的工作.這類的心理醫師的確需要很大的耐心
我自己小時候是有點自閉傾向但還沒到自閉症.算是非常的輕微
但因為也有點高敏感特質.所以很容易受刺激.害怕面對人群
但我也覺得在表達方面有點吃力
但對於哲學的書倒蠻有興趣
其實沒錯
有些看起來本身智能障礙的朋友.其實非常聰明.但不是學識上的.而是觀察力
Looking forward to watching and learning. 😊
Super insightful and informative - thank you Jeremy and Dr Yoyo Wu!
願有更多資源去協助這些有障礙的孩子🙏
這個podcast超讚
能學到新的東西還能順便練英文聽力❤
Love these conversations. Keep em coming!
jeremy’s family is so accomplished!👍
非常感謝書豪願意討論低口語自閉症者問題。我身為服務一群自閉症者的社工，從高功能到低功能的自閉症者，皆有不同的議題要走，陪伴著家長們走過的一切，只能說家長們都非常偉大及辛苦。但社會對自閉症者的認識太少，導致很常在社會新聞上看到自閉症者搭乘大眾運輸，卻因為一些不適當行為造成他人誤解，最後演變成自閉症者的情緒事件，甚至上了社會新聞！新聞也沒有把真實樣貌呈現出來，社會大眾只會抨擊精神疾患者就應該在家，真讓人痛心！這些有能力的自閉症者，需要耗費家長、老師、醫師⋯等許多專業人員的陪伴才有走出的一天。希望書豪可以跟阿姨，多多談論著個議題，讓更多的民眾認識自閉症者的全貌。
Your aunt does wonderful work helping families. She is one of the clinical pioneers of autism research and care.
喜欢更多的中文内容！
非常好的一次對談！
One of my niece who is almost 3 has speech impediment. But she knows how to express herself through body languages quite well.
This may be a good reference for my parents in Taiwan.
謝謝你們💖 等我看完我會看看值不值得分享在親戚群裡。
謝謝您們❤❤
Would like to see you start a podcast! Thanks for the content:)
I love love this convo! One of the most powerful and insightful episodes I had ever watched
Thanks. I'm autistic and struggle with selective mutism so this means a lot.
❤在很有意義，超讚的阿姨
書豪口才真的好好，主持讚讚讚！
The best color and style haircut on Jeremy Lin so far that I have seen……
That language 😮💛
30:08
_The Accountant (2016)_
I'll definitely watch any
#AnnaKendrick (and most Ben Affleck) film 😊
謝謝書豪
謝謝佑佑阿姨
❤
謝謝林書豪加中文字幕😢
Thankyou
我第一次看到書豪的帳號，也是因為這樣的討論著有自閉症的問題，讓我更了解這方面的資訊，另外有一個想法是若這樣的孩子在智能沒有障礙的情況下，學習手語是否可以讓有口語障礙的孩子會有更多的幫助？
👍👍👍❤
13:20 what does EQ mean?
Emotional Quotient
(情緒智商， 情商)
@MindyMa thank you