The 4th SD60MAC is at EMDs headquarters and was used/modified for the development of the T4 EMD 1010J prime mover. It still has its triclops cab but its painted in like a robins egg blue like color with a buldge where the engine sits.
Caught three of those SD60MACs on CSX in Georgia back in late 1992 pulling a coal drag with a dynamometer car in the mix. If only I’d had my camera! Helluva noise watching them scream up the 1.6% grade with a deliberately over tonnage train. And they did it!
This guy deserves way more followers! Great content, informative, and entertaining! Love you work I have been here for a while and will continue to love the content! Thank you for your in depth work. From a fellow Georgian railfan to another.
@@v12productions you know? it would be a intresting idea to check out the locomotives of ''Transportation Technology Center'' from images online and some statlitle views they have a very intresting equipment at their center. from old GP9's to F40's. i think they even got a SD45T-2 with a safety cab still there. and not too forget the few last SDP40F's. and the classic Bombardier Jet Acela
Informative video but i feel he'd get more followers if his is video titles were better. Yes a truck slams a train, but really this video was a little snippet about the change from AC to DC traction.... don't be a clickbaiter
the last of the 4 SD60MAC's is still in Lagrange. the unit (9501) sits on a team track just outside the facility. The unit is now solid light blue, and has the flared radiators of later EMD products.
Good history lesson. This winter I snapped a pic of an SD90Mac in CPRail livery, and showed it to a friend that had worked as a mechanic in the local CP Diesel shop. He confirmed it. Apparently CP took delivery of only 4 so I was lucky to see that big beauty.
Nice find! I love the SD60MAC's. That special paint scheme and how rare they are but also that they disappeared from the public eye so early make them like unicorns for railfans. I hope all 4 of them get repainted and saved.
MACs are some of the most beautiful EMD locomotives, the comfort cab SD60MACs look even better. I'm surprised you didn't talk about the SD80MACs, which were also pretty advanced.
BNSF has converted a couple dozen of its ex-Santa Fe Dash 9s to AC traction, designating them AC44C4M. They've rebuilt some GP60Ms, calling them GP60M-3s (I think), and possibly SD75Ms, but the designation didn't change, so the 75s may have just been repainted. CN also just got into the AC rebuild game last year, rebuilding some of their older Dash 9s (renumbered into the 3300s, I don't recall their name for them)
Well I’ll be damned! The SD60MACs are still alive! I thought they were long gone but I guess the FRA felt like holding onto them! Edit: the fourth SD60MAC did end up at Lagrange, IL for some new project EMD was doing but I guess the project never really took off since nothing has been heard of it since
It's possible Progress still owns them all, the test center(s) in Pueblo is (are) a mix of the FRA (but run by a private sector contractor), AAR, and other private entities.
@@MilwaukeeF40C 1. if there's a tax deduction for "safety research," then progress owns them. 2. If there's a tax write-off for donating to safety research, then they were donated "at list" 3. If neither 1 nor 2, then the DOT bought them "at list."
The SD60MACs (which also i guess led to the SD60Ms as well) were always in the lighter green color. shockingly they have not faded badly. The other one can be found on railpictures and has had an ACe style radiator added and has been turned sky blue colors at the lagrange illnois shops.
I'm not sure what year it is I think it was like back in 2004 a dump truck carrying gravel was doing 55 mph on 421 contacted and collided with a train stopped on the tracks due to the fog was not seen and caused the whole train fall over sideways after impact from this dump truck
Didn’t GM sell EMD due to the government bailout of GM back in 2008 or so? In addition, isn’t GE’s locomotive division now owned by WABTEC or something like that? If so, why are the locomotives (new ones) still referred to as “GE”? I get that Progress Rail kept the “EMD” nomenclature, although it is “Electromotive Diesel” rather than Division now. At least Progress Rail kept the “EMD”. I’ve always liked that. Would be cool if they still used the same style EMD builders plate. Great video.
Same reason many American rail fans all the MLW/Bombardier diesels as Alco's; It's easier to remember the name based on its past lineage than try and memorize the newer name.
Off topic but, Mac and Cheese or Grilled Cheese Sandwiches Edit-1: I prefer Grilled cheese sandwiches but Mac and cheese is good aswell Edit-2: nice I'm top comment, that's a first
The side impact test is surprisingly critical, road users, being the unskilled public in charge of heavy machinery (many truck drivers included) really have almost no business behind the wheel of a road vehicle. Trains are usually pretty good at weathering frontal impacts, but when it comes to side impacts, either from grazing other rolling stock to being hit perpendicular by another vehicle, there is little room for impact mitigation structures within the loading gauge of the vehicle. Something similar to this occurred in 1990's New Zealand, when a concrete truck smashed into the side of the Southerner passenger train in Rolleston. 15 years later when new carriages were delivered, they were built to help withstand the side impact forces that killed and injured many earlier.
It’s nice to know most of the SD60MAC’s are still around and still being used. I know it’s too soon to say this, but they’d make a great pic for preservation should they ever be phased out by new non-CO2-emitting modern locomotives. I’m just a big Burlington Northern Fan.
Ex bn 9501 resides at the la grange il emd plant, if you spot a kcs sd70mac there, your spot it. It's all blue with no engine or middle shell, and has a prototype sd70ace radiator installed on it. the locomotive is labeled as emdx 9501 Also, emdx 268 in my opinion is the very first ac traction locomotive, simply being a testbed with those components
@Trains with Shane that's your only choice really. Unfortunately even 3D printed will still look terrible. I doubt any manufacturer will ever produce a high emd model of it.
Thanks for this video. I was well aware of the electric/diesel scenario, however not up to date with the DC/AC realities of it. Very interesting. I am now curious how these motors differ in the way they generate electricity for the prime movers. Cheers..
DC motors are more efficient than ac motors. Fewer losses as no energy is needed to generate the field (for pm motors) or less heat output (for bldc motors)
I think 1 of these "SIEMENS" units was leased out to Peaker Industries for consideration of reusing the diesel engine to power a "Peaker" power generation plant.
All rails are attached to each other. Although The Columbus Greenville line only runs until Greenwood now because of the washout of the rail between Greenwood and West Point. It transfers to Canadian National rail in Greenwood, then continues at West Point on to Columbus. The C&G is today owned by Illinois Central Railway which is in trust to the CN. The total rail runs from Omaha, Nebraska , through Columbus & Chicago Illinois, Kentucky, Memphis Tennessee, Jackson and ending New Orleans Mississippi. Any major railroad operates on any other, most times with a negotiated right of way. The C&G was owned by Norfork and they merged with Western, Conrail and Southern to form Norfork Southern and continues to merge with other railways. Conrail was a consolidation of railway company which date back to when there was only small railways. CSX & NS shared the acquisition of Conrail giving them both trackage rights. UP already had rail right withs Conrail when it was formed in 1976. Because of Conrail, every railway is covered in trackage rights.
Wow 1991 o.O We had the first experimental AC locos (made by ABB Henschel) in germany in the 70s, and the first small series at the end of the 70s and the bigger series in the 80s.
Was the tender in the crash test really for diesel? A standard locomotive fuel tank is about 5000 gallons, so adding a ~30000gal tank between two locomotives would approximately quadruple the fuel capacity of the pair. Do they really need that much diesel? Any time I've seen talk of fuel tenders, it's been for LNG/LPG. And why would a fuel tender need any more crash testing than a standard tank car anyway?
@@MilwaukeeF40C That's a really good point. Even for diesel, that would be a class 3 hazmat that wouldn't normally be allowed at that position in a train. Thanks!
@@beeble2003 I think as a fuel source, that rule goes out the window. FEC being the prime example. They run natural gas tender between two locomotives.
@@trainboy1979 The point is that class 3 hazmat is not normally allowed next to a locomotive. That doesn't just "go out the window". Rather, if you want to put class 3 hazmat next to a locomotive, it has to be in a car that's more robust than a standard tank car and, hence, requires specific collision testing.
@@beeble2003It doesn’t matter what the hazmat class is for them because they’re “hardened” tender railcar by definition and don’t fit the description of a conventional revenue rail car, which is what the hazmat rules govern.
Hola Aver el choque del camión con las locomotoras estaban paradas el camión no tenía conductor es desir el camion estaba con un control activado es desir todo preparado un abrazo desde Quilmes BsAs Argentina
I would just Like 👍 to Understand Why Anyone would Think they’re able to Race a Train across RX Crossing and take the Chance of Losing Bet. BIG Dummies.🤪👎
The 4th SD60MAC is at EMDs headquarters and was used/modified for the development of the T4 EMD 1010J prime mover. It still has its triclops cab but its painted in like a robins egg blue like color with a buldge where the engine sits.
You got a picture??
Caught three of those SD60MACs on CSX in Georgia back in late 1992 pulling a coal drag with a dynamometer car in the mix. If only I’d had my camera! Helluva noise watching them scream up the 1.6% grade with a deliberately over tonnage train. And they did it!
This guy deserves way more followers! Great content, informative, and entertaining! Love you work I have been here for a while and will continue to love the content! Thank you for your in depth work. From a fellow Georgian railfan to another.
Really appreciate it! Thank you!
I agree. The video quality, content, and research are superior.
@@v12productions you know?
it would be a intresting idea to check out the locomotives of ''Transportation Technology Center''
from images online and some statlitle views they have a very intresting equipment at their center. from old GP9's to F40's. i think they even got a SD45T-2 with a safety cab still there. and not too forget the few last SDP40F's. and the classic Bombardier Jet Acela
Informative video but i feel he'd get more followers if his is video titles were better. Yes a truck slams a train, but really this video was a little snippet about the change from AC to DC traction.... don't be a clickbaiter
the last of the 4 SD60MAC's is still in Lagrange. the unit (9501) sits on a team track just outside the facility. The unit is now solid light blue, and has the flared radiators of later EMD products.
I was thinking about these units yesterday and wondered where they had disappeared to. Glad to see they are still around. Great work as always!
Good history lesson. This winter I snapped a pic of an SD90Mac in CPRail livery, and showed it to a friend that had worked as a mechanic in the local CP Diesel shop. He confirmed it. Apparently CP took delivery of only 4 so I was lucky to see that big beauty.
Nice find! I love the SD60MAC's. That special paint scheme and how rare they are but also that they disappeared from the public eye so early make them like unicorns for railfans. I hope all 4 of them get repainted and saved.
MACs are some of the most beautiful EMD locomotives, the comfort cab SD60MACs look even better. I'm surprised you didn't talk about the SD80MACs, which were also pretty advanced.
Agreed 💯. I don't care much for the GE AC4400 CW engines that came out in 1993 and still operate today. They look like milk cartons with wheels.
This was rather good, man! I love all your videos, but I’d definitely like to see more like this one.
@Tyler Braden yeah, i tend to agree. as far as bringing you cool stuff regularly and reporting on events? no one does it better.
@Tyler Braden 😊
I love your channel! I've become so interested in the railroad industry in the last year or so and you're mostly the channel fueling my interest!
Great video. Loved the shot of the old interlocking tower at the site of the old Terminal Station.
Interesting video! Great captures! Big LIKE
BNSF has converted a couple dozen of its ex-Santa Fe Dash 9s to AC traction, designating them AC44C4M. They've rebuilt some GP60Ms, calling them GP60M-3s (I think), and possibly SD75Ms, but the designation didn't change, so the 75s may have just been repainted.
CN also just got into the AC rebuild game last year, rebuilding some of their older Dash 9s (renumbered into the 3300s, I don't recall their name for them)
cn AC44C6MS and the 70/75s are away for rebuild
Well I’ll be damned! The SD60MACs are still alive! I thought they were long gone but I guess the FRA felt like holding onto them!
Edit: the fourth SD60MAC did end up at Lagrange, IL for some new project EMD was doing but I guess the project never really took off since nothing has been heard of it since
it was never used for a project. its a testbed for prime movers. also thanks for the correction, i thought he was at muncie
It's possible Progress still owns them all, the test center(s) in Pueblo is (are) a mix of the FRA (but run by a private sector contractor), AAR, and other private entities.
@@MilwaukeeF40C
1. if there's a tax deduction for "safety research," then progress owns them.
2. If there's a tax write-off for donating to safety research, then they were donated "at list"
3. If neither 1 nor 2, then the DOT bought them "at list."
Thank you so very much I love your videos good job
Thanks for watching!
Thanks, I really enjoyed that !
SD60MACs look nice also i saw this train in mcdonough 4:15
I always look forward to your videos. Thank you!
If I can recall, there was an old video of a train crash testing that I believe used one of these locomotives.
If your talking about the ones from 2002 and 2003, the units used were 2 ex sp sd45t-2's modified with an emd wide cab
Nice video and story!!!
I worked at the electromotive diesel plant putting in new offices in the eighties. In McCook, Illinois. Those locomotives are huge up close.
2 remaining sdp40f's are at pueblo too
The SD60MACs (which also i guess led to the SD60Ms as well) were always in the lighter green color. shockingly they have not faded badly. The other one can be found on railpictures and has had an ACe style radiator added and has been turned sky blue colors at the lagrange illnois shops.
All part of History, keep up the good work
Thanks for the upload! Definitely learned a thing or two.
the 4th EMDX 60MAC is still on EMD property. its used as a test bed for prime movers. i believe he is at muncie.
Interesting. Thanks!
@@v12productions can confirm this. It had a CAT prime mover last i heard..
@@TonyLasagna They also gave it ACe radiators so it looks a bit wacky
@@ctf6420 it does 😂
I'm not sure what year it is I think it was like back in 2004 a dump truck carrying gravel was doing 55 mph on 421 contacted and collided with a train stopped on the tracks due to the fog was not seen and caused the whole train fall over sideways after impact from this dump truck
Didn’t GM sell EMD due to the government bailout of GM back in 2008 or so? In addition, isn’t GE’s locomotive division now owned by WABTEC or something like that? If so, why are the locomotives (new ones) still referred to as “GE”? I get that Progress Rail kept the “EMD” nomenclature, although it is “Electromotive Diesel” rather than Division now. At least Progress Rail kept the “EMD”. I’ve always liked that. Would be cool if they still used the same style EMD builders plate.
Great video.
Same reason many American rail fans all the MLW/Bombardier diesels as Alco's; It's easier to remember the name based on its past lineage than try and memorize the newer name.
@DaimosZ
That’s a good point. Thank you for that.
@@Shaken_AND_Stirred you're welcome
In 1997 I worked at Siemens Energy and Automation north of Atlanta. I was surprised that we were building EMD wiring harnesses
One of the SD60MACs needs to end up at IRM at some point.
I’m still new to the rail fan concept, but thanks to this video I finally know what the yellow lightning bolt on the side of CSX locomotives means.
I thought it meant radio equipped!
Can’t get over how smooth these intros are!
Off topic but, Mac and Cheese or Grilled Cheese Sandwiches
Edit-1: I prefer Grilled cheese sandwiches but Mac and cheese is good aswell
Edit-2: nice I'm top comment, that's a first
Grilled
Mac n cheese.
That sounds good 🥪
Both
I can't decide!
I like these types of trains
Cool show 😎! thanks
Excellent
The side impact test is surprisingly critical, road users, being the unskilled public in charge of heavy machinery (many truck drivers included) really have almost no business behind the wheel of a road vehicle. Trains are usually pretty good at weathering frontal impacts, but when it comes to side impacts, either from grazing other rolling stock to being hit perpendicular by another vehicle, there is little room for impact mitigation structures within the loading gauge of the vehicle.
Something similar to this occurred in 1990's New Zealand, when a concrete truck smashed into the side of the Southerner passenger train in Rolleston. 15 years later when new carriages were delivered, they were built to help withstand the side impact forces that killed and injured many earlier.
It’s nice to know most of the SD60MAC’s are still around and still being used. I know it’s too soon to say this, but they’d make a great pic for preservation should they ever be phased out by new non-CO2-emitting modern locomotives. I’m just a big Burlington Northern Fan.
Nice video!
Thanks!
@@v12productions np problem
The SD60MACs were the first North American AC motor freight locomotives. Two of them should be preserved.
Norfolk southern: write that down WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!
I always enjoy your videos rail on my friend.
It's hard to tell by the FRA video, but I believe the locomotive that shunted the truck into the tank car is GP40-2 DOT/DOTX 203.
This guys videos are awesome
4:16 that horn 👌
Wow that’s really amazing I didn’t even know about that and I saw NS 4001 at Roseville last month
Video idea document the 19th Ave railroad crossing in Nashville TN
WOW... *Railroad trains & grade crossing excursions.*
*_All in stunning Ultra High 8K Definition_*
Ex bn 9501 resides at the la grange il emd plant, if you spot a kcs sd70mac there, your spot it. It's all blue with no engine or middle shell, and has a prototype sd70ace radiator installed on it. the locomotive is labeled as emdx 9501
Also, emdx 268 in my opinion is the very first ac traction locomotive, simply being a testbed with those components
BN was such a staple in upstate NY
I saw them every day
I used to live in western Nebraska near the Wyoming border on the powder River lines. I remember the triclops sd70Ms
Do modern and retrofits use brushless servos or still phase shift ac.
Those are a few long beasts! Think I need to see if i can find one of those in N scale.
SD60MACs?? Yeah good luck
@@AbelG8781 I'll get one 3D printed if i need to.
@Trains with Shane that's your only choice really. Unfortunately even 3D printed will still look terrible. I doubt any manufacturer will ever produce a high emd model of it.
Is this sd60ace?
Thanks for this video. I was well aware of the electric/diesel scenario, however not up to date with the DC/AC realities of it. Very interesting. I am now curious how these motors differ in the way they generate electricity for the prime movers. Cheers..
@Kory Thanks for sharing man. That is cool to know, tho still confusing…lol But makes sense. Cheers..
I work for the FRA and i can say that those are interesting locomotives
If I'm not mistaking, BN, EMD and Siemens are the joint pioneers of AC traction development.
DC motors are more efficient than ac motors. Fewer losses as no energy is needed to generate the field (for pm motors) or less heat output (for bldc motors)
Nice👍
This is like if we threw an iceberg at the titanic and then the iceberg sank.
I think 1 of these "SIEMENS" units was leased out to Peaker Industries for consideration of reusing the diesel engine to power a "Peaker" power generation plant.
I always thought that those Cascade Green/White EMD SD60 Macs (1991/92) were part of a BN new experimental paintscheme the railroad was working on.
This video is giving me 90s vibes.
Nice
The 4th one resides at EMD's McCook, IL facility as seen in this video I took 2 years ago: ruclips.net/video/RFt3tM3xo6o/видео.html
Thanks for sharing! Yep, that's definitely it!
Hey that sd60 drawing I have that too
Hey V12 I got a question i live near you and tell my why there are Union Pacific in The Greenville line?
All rails are attached to each other. Although The Columbus Greenville line only runs until Greenwood now because of the washout of the rail between Greenwood and West Point. It transfers to Canadian National rail in Greenwood, then continues at West Point on to Columbus. The C&G is today owned by Illinois Central Railway which is in trust to the CN. The total rail runs from Omaha, Nebraska , through Columbus & Chicago Illinois, Kentucky, Memphis Tennessee, Jackson and ending New Orleans Mississippi. Any major railroad operates on any other, most times with a negotiated right of way. The C&G was owned by Norfork and they merged with Western, Conrail and Southern to form Norfork Southern and continues to merge with other railways. Conrail was a consolidation of railway company which date back to when there was only small railways. CSX & NS shared the acquisition of Conrail giving them both trackage rights. UP already had rail right withs Conrail when it was formed in 1976. Because of Conrail, every railway is covered in trackage rights.
Hey I haven’t even paid that thing off yet. Do you have any idea how this will effect my credit.
Most of the video is about locos, not the truck slamming into the fuel tank which the title is named.
Wow 1991 o.O
We had the first experimental AC locos (made by ABB Henschel) in germany in the 70s, and the first small series at the end of the 70s and the bigger series in the 80s.
only the railfanners will find rare locomotives in any video
Also that test was just more proof the train never looses
there was another at one time emd 3 sd60 had radial steering trucks.
Can Scaletrains or Athearn model these SD60MACs?
Dump trucks can only weight 46,000lbs Full semis can weight 80,000lbs
And that dump truck bed is empty.
My oldest son worked for Progress Rail.
You can’t tell me only 4 SD60 triclops were made? I’ve seen more than 4 though?
The fourth is EMD 9501 the "SD60ACe" testbed
Was the tender in the crash test really for diesel? A standard locomotive fuel tank is about 5000 gallons, so adding a ~30000gal tank between two locomotives would approximately quadruple the fuel capacity of the pair. Do they really need that much diesel? Any time I've seen talk of fuel tenders, it's been for LNG/LPG. And why would a fuel tender need any more crash testing than a standard tank car anyway?
If it is for LPG, maybe because it would be so close to occupied equipment.
@@MilwaukeeF40C That's a really good point. Even for diesel, that would be a class 3 hazmat that wouldn't normally be allowed at that position in a train. Thanks!
@@beeble2003 I think as a fuel source, that rule goes out the window. FEC being the prime example. They run natural gas tender between two locomotives.
@@trainboy1979 The point is that class 3 hazmat is not normally allowed next to a locomotive. That doesn't just "go out the window". Rather, if you want to put class 3 hazmat next to a locomotive, it has to be in a car that's more robust than a standard tank car and, hence, requires specific collision testing.
@@beeble2003It doesn’t matter what the hazmat class is for them because they’re “hardened” tender railcar by definition and don’t fit the description of a conventional revenue rail car, which is what the hazmat rules govern.
What reason would a dump truck be on a railroad tracks?? For a transport job?
I think the rails were just handy for a controlled test of highway equipment crashing in to the side of a train.
i just watched this video on the FRA yt about an hour ago, kinda funny
The 4th SD60MAC is at the plant in Muncie indiana
It's not a fair test because the engine is obviously missing from the dump truck
False advertising. Not stated in teaser and headline that it is a test. Shame!
I'll take a double Mac ! 😂
Cool.
needs to update the tracks and make it safe.. not a halfass job
Hola Aver el choque del camión con las locomotoras estaban paradas el camión no tenía conductor es desir el camion estaba con un control activado es desir todo preparado un abrazo desde Quilmes BsAs Argentina
The day they did this crash test September 22 is my birthday.
В Америке такие скромные пути: никакой электрификации, деревянные шпалы.
Зато их много.
I saw tons 4000 instead of 4001
I would just Like 👍 to Understand Why Anyone would Think they’re able to Race a Train across RX Crossing and take the Chance of Losing Bet. BIG Dummies.🤪👎
Chew 😮no Choo !
Beda sesis kendaraan beda pula kekuatan dn pertahanan benturan juga..
poor pete dump truck you will be missed
Bro 1152 with the P3
I live in Colorado
Is that a test for the truck to? Cause that driver is kinda fucked in most crashes at 45mph
MACS 🤤 🤤 ❤❤!!!
Coba kalau mobil tau trukk dibikin sesis seperti lokomotif ..sama kuat beda tipis aja
Woah