One time when cho was a popular mid laner in s5 or s6 (being played by pros in pro games) I once watched a faker replay where he picked ap cho mid. He was losing hard, down like 10 kills at 15 minutes. The score was probably something like 4-15 but faker was still playing perfect and hadn't even died with perfect cs. There was a fight around blueside red buff - a 5v5 . Someone on fakers team had died first and they used a lot of ults to kill that person. They all grouped up to chase fight the rest of fakers team and stood together. Faker was in a bush as cho and hit them all together with q+w causing all of their hp to drop by like half and winning the teamfight from hitting them all together thus ended up winning the game from that. That is when I learned that when you are playing big wombo champions like viktor, orianna, ap cho and others you never give up if you have been playing and csing well because they can turn the game from one teamfight by landing a big combo. And I have since carried many games we were losing because I watched that vod. Don't give up and always look for the 3k elo shockweave type play when your playing these type champions. Just hoped to share some wisdom i've learned through the years as a masters player.
very well said, everyone focuses on 'early game' and 'scaling' strengths when it comes to champions but the ability to turn a losing game is under-looked. some champions can excel at this better than others with their teamfight playmaking as you said, so to anyone whose champs are like this take note.
@@beannibba TL;DR Team behind? Faker farm well and don't get behind in exp/lvls/deaths Hide on bush, , group Q W, win game Conclusion: Wombo/shockwave AoE champs can flip games
The baus is a sad case of a brilliant player, but a troll mentality. He could easily be the beast in EU if he wanted to, but nah, he wants to play ad sion.
@@DragonRuffian she did hit him with the first charm.. he went to predict ahri R but at the same time made her feel "safe" so she could ult forward and silence her 2nd charm..
I'm pretty sure he just predicted ahri to dash there since that gives her a clear angle to charm without being blocked by the creeps while also maintaining distance without being in melee range
I used to main him back when i played league in like 2014 and he was always very simple but very cool looking and dangerous, especially snowballed. Was kinda trash if your team had no damage cuz you’d just die in teamfights though haha even as a battlemage
that whole gain size with each stack makes cho unplayable as ap in the late game, playing hybrid with everfrost and demonic is just the better option imo
@@MrMrtvozornik the reason why this player uses belt is because ap cho is way too frail and easy to hit with any skillshot, you dont need that if you go hybrid, and everfrost can be used to chain cc the enemy and catch up the same way he uses protobelt after landing a q, and has lower cooldown, also you can get 25 magic pen (max bonus from belt) if you just build an Abyssal Mask
you can picture me surprised when all i could think of seeing this guy playing, being a cho main with just 1 year of league experience, is "nothing out of the ordinary, i agree with those actions/id would do the same", the only thing keeping me of playing like that is my pc and some small lack of mechanincs also a very important thing to note lane phase, is that Q only have damage scalings for levels, it doesnt increase mana cost, making it easy to farm from a distance and if the opportunity appears, poke with a bit more strenght
Yeah its impossible to play this champion as a tank right now with how mobile everything is and how much anti tank there is in the game. Makes sense the only man playing him in chal plays his ap.
The duality of the thumbnail and video title (How a Cho'Gath Main Survives in KR Challenger implying bro is struggling) and then the thumbnail says 0 counter play, lmao
@@overstimulatedboy01 I mean there's dozens of champs who can one-shot faster and more secure while being safer/more mobile. Why would you want to play a clunky immobile tank as a mage just to one-shot?
@@teohyuanhui you don't need to tank if you don't get hit. Besides, AP Cho dies just as fast as any assassin, he's also bigger = easier to get hit, he gets in and can't get out. Other mages either do their stuff then back out, or do their stuff from far away.
I am main Cho'gath Top, I build it full tank, the number of enemies that have more damage, tank more, have more mobility or have more stuns or slowdowns is disproportionate, for a cho'gath to play you need one of 2 things, start from a bush or have flash to enter, in teamfight it is more complicated since the squeazy that you try to focus are obliterated by the others and the tanks do not get to lower their life enough to be able to eat them so you depend on your team to let you eat them or help you to eat objectives (baron, herald and drake), if you hit a Q at maximum range without flashing you don't reach the enemy even though he has been raised and later slowed down, hopefully they fix this character so that even building it to me full tank an adc lowers me from 3 hits and the only way to be able to play it being viable is to ap (virgin) and not tank (chad) as its original purpose
I watched an NA Player(Snoww) that plays on KR server for years now. He encountered that Chogath multiple times and that Cho was useless af. All he had to do was watching out for the Q and after that Cho was useless and got farmed.
2 reason: 1. This build is 1-shot type, the burn dmg from demonic is not that good 2. If he needs more AP, there are better options & he already has a lot of HP so he doesnt need HP from demonic
quick question : I recently became a cho mid main, but I never played him ap but only tank, and it always go pretty well, but is it viable or should I play ap ?
AP Cho sucks and doesn't scale well. Tank is better by far because you still 1 shot people with only Demonic Embrace. If you go Demonic first into Heartsteel then Sunfire you can 1 shot any carry or squishy if you land your abilities. The value that Demonic Embrace has is too good. AP is just not worth it since Cho has such high base damage already Demonic is the only thing u need to be able to pop squishies
If Aurelion Sol's E can get bigger with Startdust stack, then why Rito doesn't allow Cho'Gath Q to get bigger whenever he gets bigger with his R stacks? No place for monster champs now. They rather create or rework nice looking champs to sell skins than old champs like Skaner or Cho'Gath. Smh
I like that idea for his silence because when Cho'Gath use W when he's full size it doesn't seem to go very far since it's calculated from his center and not from his body. But you need to nerf something in return so it isn't broken
It's okay, but not as good as tank/bruiser cho in top, IMO. Toplane is all about creating/soaking enemy team pressure; AP Cho can't really do that as because he's really squishy compared to his Tank or Bruiser builds even with 10+ ult stacks, plus most top laners generally have better sustain/durability compared to most mid laners and are better at trading back. Both the Tank and Bruiser Cho builds work in Top because his E deals HP% damage and his W prevents enemy champs from fighting back. Maybe versus ranged tops it would work via the comet build.
@@user-sz9vt4sd7y yes but if you've seen the video like I did, he miss his Q quite a few times even in a skill demonstration video, if you watch one of Cho'god gameplay videos he will miss Q like 50 times a game so who are to tell the best Cho'Gath in the world that they are bad at the game 🤣
ChoGod's Build
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I love how these videos are like National Geographic reporting on some weird animal lol
Bruh this description is funny af 😂
Well tbf, they were all living in their natural habitats, until LoLDobby spotted them
One time when cho was a popular mid laner in s5 or s6 (being played by pros in pro games) I once watched a faker replay where he picked ap cho mid. He was losing hard, down like 10 kills at 15 minutes. The score was probably something like 4-15 but faker was still playing perfect and hadn't even died with perfect cs. There was a fight around blueside red buff - a 5v5 . Someone on fakers team had died first and they used a lot of ults to kill that person. They all grouped up to chase fight the rest of fakers team and stood together. Faker was in a bush as cho and hit them all together with q+w causing all of their hp to drop by like half and winning the teamfight from hitting them all together thus ended up winning the game from that. That is when I learned that when you are playing big wombo champions like viktor, orianna, ap cho and others you never give up if you have been playing and csing well because they can turn the game from one teamfight by landing a big combo. And I have since carried many games we were losing because I watched that vod. Don't give up and always look for the 3k elo shockweave type play when your playing these type champions. Just hoped to share some wisdom i've learned through the years as a masters player.
very well said, everyone focuses on 'early game' and 'scaling' strengths when it comes to champions but the ability to turn a losing game is under-looked. some champions can excel at this better than others with their teamfight playmaking as you said, so to anyone whose champs are like this take note.
@@ChilledoutDevil rglasc players:
Not reading allat but good for you
@@beannibba holy shit read a book, you have tiktok level attention span
@@beannibba TL;DR
Team behind? Faker farm well and don't get behind in exp/lvls/deaths
Hide on bush, , group Q W, win game
Conclusion: Wombo/shockwave AoE champs can flip games
If the baus picks this up, rocketbelt will get removed.
He used to cho gath allot. When he first got popular people did videos about his cho play
good, make akali players suffer
Um actually 🤓🤓🤓
The baus is a sad case of a brilliant player, but a troll mentality. He could easily be the beast in EU if he wanted to, but nah, he wants to play ad sion.
@@OnestonedbakeIt earns him a lot of money so he probably wouldn't consider something else
OOOOO heres the cho gath vid!!! Day has been made better
I feel like the q at 7:19 is intentional to make the ahri go in thinking she's fine
@@DragonRuffian she did hit him with the first charm.. he went to predict ahri R but at the same time made her feel "safe" so she could ult forward and silence her 2nd charm..
I'm pretty sure he just predicted ahri to dash there since that gives her a clear angle to charm without being blocked by the creeps while also maintaining distance without being in melee range
seeing chogath 1 shot GP made me smile
It's worth checking out his build in the desc. if u wanna play. He goes frozen heart or font second in more games than not
Missed oportunity to name himself ChoKing
its actually very similar to Balori style, except Bal runs ignite flash into luden for maximum burst
ahahaha yes!! when they talked about ChoGod camping bushes I immediately thought this was Balori under a different guise!
YEES the comeback of Caballero 🎉
first lux now cho.. yay Dobby giving me tips for champs i play
I used to main him back when i played league in like 2014 and he was always very simple but very cool looking and dangerous, especially snowballed. Was kinda trash if your team had no damage cuz you’d just die in teamfights though haha even as a battlemage
amazing video dobby
Should’ve kept up with the Korean naming scheme and put King at the end and become: ChoKing 😂
that whole gain size with each stack makes cho unplayable as ap in the late game, playing hybrid with everfrost and demonic is just the better option imo
Just... don't use it to execute. Make it 10HP and aa, or Ignite.
@@hungnguyenmanh991 or just use demonic and scale better
What's wrong with rockebelt+demonic?
@@MrMrtvozornika man who chases two hares catches neither
@@MrMrtvozornik the reason why this player uses belt is because ap cho is way too frail and easy to hit with any skillshot, you dont need that if you go hybrid, and everfrost can be used to chain cc the enemy and catch up the same way he uses protobelt after landing a q, and has lower cooldown, also you can get 25 magic pen (max bonus from belt) if you just build an Abyssal Mask
Still play AP cho in mid or top, playing cho is fun it's like mind game
you can picture me surprised when all i could think of seeing this guy playing, being a cho main with just 1 year of league experience, is "nothing out of the ordinary, i agree with those actions/id would do the same", the only thing keeping me of playing like that is my pc and some small lack of mechanincs
also a very important thing to note lane phase, is that Q only have damage scalings for levels, it doesnt increase mana cost, making it easy to farm from a distance and if the opportunity appears, poke with a bit more strenght
Time to test this out in ranked :D
Yeah its impossible to play this champion as a tank right now with how mobile everything is and how much anti tank there is in the game. Makes sense the only man playing him in chal plays his ap.
ive been using AP cho since last year, he's so much fun & has a good WR against most midlaners
Any Idea of what runes he exactly pick when take commet? first and second tree ?
The duality of the thumbnail and video title (How a Cho'Gath Main Survives in KR Challenger implying bro is struggling) and then the thumbnail says 0 counter play, lmao
2:41 what happened to zed q animation?? :O
reminds me of baloris old ap cho build where he went protobelt then ludens
that 3yrs silence is balanced af lmao
the only reason it still exists is because it's on cho'gath. Same reason that nobody's making nightmares of tryndamere's ult
It used to last for 4 seconds. Right now it only lasts for 2.
Cho Gath Sama, where are you
no counter play my ass. its called a ward and anyone with hyper mobility or tankyness.
Could you do a video about leblanc pls? I would love it
cho is one of those tanks who acually out damage most of the mages XD
Yeah I personally don't see any reason to play AP Cho but he is a pro player so who cares.
@@WuMingX2bcz why would you want to tank enemy dmg if you can simply oneshot them?
@@overstimulatedboy01 I mean there's dozens of champs who can one-shot faster and more secure while being safer/more mobile. Why would you want to play a clunky immobile tank as a mage just to one-shot?
@@Briezarmaybe because it's more tanky than normal mages while still being able to one shot, similar to Baus AD Sion
@@teohyuanhui you don't need to tank if you don't get hit. Besides, AP Cho dies just as fast as any assassin, he's also bigger = easier to get hit, he gets in and can't get out. Other mages either do their stuff then back out, or do their stuff from far away.
Bro made neeko sound like Homer Simpson lol
cho is a better mage than a tank
I am main Cho'gath Top, I build it full tank, the number of enemies that have more damage, tank more, have more mobility or have more stuns or slowdowns is disproportionate, for a cho'gath to play you need one of 2 things, start from a bush or have flash to enter, in teamfight it is more complicated since the squeazy that you try to focus are obliterated by the others and the tanks do not get to lower their life enough to be able to eat them so you depend on your team to let you eat them or help you to eat objectives (baron, herald and drake), if you hit a Q at maximum range without flashing you don't reach the enemy even though he has been raised and later slowed down, hopefully they fix this character so that even building it to me full tank an adc lowers me from 3 hits and the only way to be able to play it being viable is to ap (virgin) and not tank (chad) as its original purpose
just say you're gold bro
@@composites1428 actually i'm in iron -5, I have a debt with Riot about the LP
hot@@danker3180
This is all fun and games till a Diana smash your skull open
I watched an NA Player(Snoww) that plays on KR server for years now. He encountered that Chogath multiple times and that Cho was useless af. All he had to do was watching out for the Q and after that Cho was useless and got farmed.
You are wrong, there are multiple cho in challenger and im one of them.
name an account ScoobyDobbyDo and main Naafiri to master+ then make a video about it 👌
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@Lol Dobby Updated Veigar Guide
3:50 "it's not fair at all". Want to talk about Draven that can go 0/10 in-lane, build one item, and 1v1 almost everything in the game?
why doesn’t cho go demonic embrace it’s mega efficient on him
2 reason:
1. This build is 1-shot type, the burn dmg from demonic is not that good
2. If he needs more AP, there are better options & he already has a lot of HP so he doesnt need HP from demonic
@@phusonhuynh9912 ok that makes sense idk when i play cho mid i go everfrost demonic stoneplate with comet so ig its a diff setup
quick question : I recently became a cho mid main, but I never played him ap but only tank, and it always go pretty well, but is it viable or should I play ap ?
Yes
AP Cho sucks and doesn't scale well. Tank is better by far because you still 1 shot people with only Demonic Embrace. If you go Demonic first into Heartsteel then Sunfire you can 1 shot any carry or squishy if you land your abilities. The value that Demonic Embrace has is too good. AP is just not worth it since Cho has such high base damage already Demonic is the only thing u need to be able to pop squishies
4:50 Q is weird af he turns around to Q the GP but the Q ends up where gp flashed ? 0.0
he gives me thebauss Vibe with Q usage
This champ have alot of weakness due to his easy play styel
nice 1
Dobby drops another video, likes giving then watch because I know it will be a banger.
pls riot see this and nerf the q cooldown its so big spell undodgeable if ur in the center and 2seconds CD ??!
late game you gonna have at least 6000hp, or even 8000hp mage who can one shot u
Every assassin
why does everyone say "immobile" to mean low mobility? immobile means they can't move at all and nothing else...
This looks totally healthy for the game
League of oneshots kek.
Don't worry guys we'll get a cho rework in 2030!!!1!, Thank you riot
Cho is so oppressive. Poorly designed champion tbh. Great video ty.
BAN: Syndra，Vayne，Stealth
If Aurelion Sol's E can get bigger with Startdust stack, then why Rito doesn't allow Cho'Gath Q to get bigger whenever he gets bigger with his R stacks? No place for monster champs now. They rather create or rework nice looking champs to sell skins than old champs like Skaner or Cho'Gath. Smh
If his Q would get bigger and bigger would be too much broken and easy to hit
I like that idea for his silence because when Cho'Gath use W when he's full size it doesn't seem to go very far since it's calculated from his center and not from his body. But you need to nerf something in return so it isn't broken
0:26
Considering him building protobelt - by giving immobile champ dash (holy, how hard the state of this game sucks).
1:58 lvl 1 at cannon wave wtf?
hello
1:49 Q -> Flash-W
How do yo uhave 15 thousand views on a video released 2h ago?damn
Can you play it on top too?
Tank is better top, ap is better mid
It's okay, but not as good as tank/bruiser cho in top, IMO. Toplane is all about creating/soaking enemy team pressure; AP Cho can't really do that as because he's really squishy compared to his Tank or Bruiser builds even with 10+ ult stacks, plus most top laners generally have better sustain/durability compared to most mid laners and are better at trading back. Both the Tank and Bruiser Cho builds work in Top because his E deals HP% damage and his W prevents enemy champs from fighting back. Maybe versus ranged tops it would work via the comet build.
nice just cuz 1 mf from korea play=ing cho mid now every B ahh fatherless playing it in mid too
but they nerfed cho
Don`t try this at home xD
Q E W D Auto 1 Auto R?
Lv 1 canon minion ? Hmm suspicious....
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Bro makes chogath look like it require skills
Cho requires way more skill that 90% of adcs who just mindlessly right-click for more than half their dps😂.
@@fotis3v480 agreed
I have alway hated those adc champs who just run away at light speed when i deal 10 damage to them
@@DuongTran-yl9mx if u deal 10 dmg on adc there is something wrong
he has two skillshots and if he miss them, usually dies LMAO
talk for yourself
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lmfao what is this champ
So just...play chogath normally? He's pretty braindead lol
so it has counter plays tho
A friendly reminder - if you intent to hit someone with cho q and miss it, it's not his q beinng ez to dodge, it's you being bad qt the game
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@@teddykal9838 cry
Even pros players miss Chogath Q all the time, so I'm guessing you're making a little joke 😂
@@raphaelantoine7331 we just watched a video where cho gath player uses his q smart and hits them often, i couldn't care less if pros can't do that.
@@user-sz9vt4sd7y yes but if you've seen the video like I did, he miss his Q quite a few times even in a skill demonstration video, if you watch one of Cho'god gameplay videos he will miss Q like 50 times a game so who are to tell the best Cho'Gath in the world that they are bad at the game 🤣
5:15 that's not a solo kill lmao wtf.
Balori better
Dude is handicapping himself with the rocketbelt. Night Harvester is by far a better choice in mythic.
I HATE THE BACKGROUND MUSIC AAA
It's very basic champion knowledge, just good execution, macro plays and understand of champion limits that's all.