Groove Breakdown with Jay Fenichel: "What is Hip?" by Tower of Power
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2014
- In this video, Jay breaks down Dave Garibaldi's groove from the Tower of Power hit "What is Hip?" as heard on Tower of Power's self-entitled third studio album released in 1973.
Throughout this new lesson series, Vic Firth Artist Jay Fenichel will discuss a variety of popular subjects -- from fills and drum solos to techniques on how to practice smarter, not harder. Each lesson will expose you to concepts that will help develop your drumming skills, whether you're a beginner, intermediate or advanced level player.
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This is the best drum breakdown of a song I’ve ever seen on YT
What a great lesson. Thanks for sharing it, Jay!
An excellent analysis. Thank you.
Thanks Sir for the Hip 101 Class.
I really like the way you break things down.
Thank you so much for this man. I am so glad you broke this down the way you did. I have really learned this song from you and now I am working really hard to play it as a cover very soon. Rock On.
I'm having fun learning this groove, thanks!
NICE!! Great song.
Dude thank you sooo much!!! This groove is so hard to figure out by ear
Exceptional instruction! Inspirational! Well Done!
Very good lesson
very good breakdown of the groove. You are a fine drum set grrove teacher.
Very nicely broken down; thank you! I’ve always kind of played my own linear version of the groove when playing to this song, but it’s good to know the real deal. I was surprised to find the kick drum part is much less busy than I thought it was! 😆
Good teaching.
Amazing! I was listening to Tower of Power just today and thinking I should be working on that particular song. Thank you sir!
The intro for "Squib Cakes" is also impressive ; I found that in Rick Latham's "Advanced Funk Studies", and I highly recommend practicing/listening to it. Inspirational.
Great video
Dude is the Almanac 😁🔥🔥🔥
Hi Jay. I find all your video lessons very informative and i like the way you demonstrate and break down each facet of the grooves. Very well done. As i am reading the comments for this lesson some of which are not shall i say very complimentary i give you a lot of credit the way you handle your responses. Having a dialog is great and i think other drummers opinions are also valuable to hear but the comments that sound like your being challenged as to what your demonstrating would drive me crazy.
I get what your trying to accomplish and that's breaking down some of these difficult beats so drummers can play them. Its not gospel what your showing and its greatly left for each drummer to interpret in his or her own way. The original drummers that recorded and played these tunes don't play them the same either. Its one thing to share constructive opinions but i think it goes to far when people are making statements about the drums sounding bad and he uses this sticking etc. Thanks again for posting the videos!
@Anthony Liberto Thanks, I appreciate that. When you choose to publish something you have to make peace with the fact that you can't please everyone and there will always be people challenging your expertise. In fact, I welcome that because there is always a chance that someone will show you something new that you hadn't considered. So it can be an opportunity to learn. What I've learned as a student of drumming is that the second someone talks about something being "wrong" or "incorrect," they instantly lose credibility. Music is an art form and opens to endless interpretation. It's not about what's absolutely right... it's about what's right for you. As for the trolls that just nitpick on the snare sound or whatever. 99% of those guys don't publish and have nothing else to say, so it makes them feel important to nitpick other people's work. So if you look at it like I am giving them an outlet to feel important, then it's easy to not take offense. lol
Great vid, have to learn this song for an audition, this helps heaps 😊
Excellent video. You can hear the most important beat Dave ever learned applied..
Great video bro!
David Curtis Drumming
Thanks for this video! Really helpful :-)
+Dimitri P You're very welcome!
@Vic Firth
Damn, that part III of Hip - the ride bell decays go rotary, and you hear it in time with the beat - man that still kills me - my guess is, first time I heard it, live, was Wilson Pickett and the Midnight Movers, St Mary's U gymnasium, here in Scotia, March 1970 - drummer's name we never learned but he hung out here for a while - conceivably because Pickett had fired him. Not for incompetence, though - no way that happened. More likely, the fact that the drummer had need to carry two guns, not the normal, one. Whatever he was into that required that second pistol, that's likely what got him fired.
The ToP drummer we heard in person & a lot was Mark Sanders, and several great tunes from that club stand are on YT channel Bill Boutilier - key in year 1980 and clips appear with thumbnail of Mount Fuji - Sanders kills it & somehow never imitates Garibaldi
I gotta play this. I think that I'm gonna start with doing 1/8th notes on the hat and build my way to this
BIG $$$ ! ....
what is the fill that you do at the 0:26 mark?
Thanks Everyone! Glad you're all diggin it. Remember to subscribe to my youtube channel at ruclips.net/user/jfenichel
JAYS breakdown is still kinda cool though. if you watch live videos of david playing this groove sometimes he has the same hi hat pattern and same vibe of this video. i would imagine david would get bored playing songs the same way every single night. deff not studio though
I appreciate your opinion +Aaron Shady and I'd love to see your version of the tune! Thanks bro!
you would think because it was put out by vic firth it would be reliable. guess not
The sound of this drum is not hip
The whole vid
What?
bass drum hard to hear but i think a safe bet is A of beat 4, A of beat 1, beat 3, A of beat 3, beat 1, A of beat 1, beat 3, A of beat 3 then repeat. i know someone will appreciate it. T.O.P and David Garibaldi RULE!!!
Since the Bass guitar part is playing constant 16th you can have some liberty with the bass pattern. I've seen Dave be pretty liberal with it. It's the 'Linear' aspect of the pattern that locks with Rocco so feel free to experiment with the bass in different positions.
Yeah Aaron,
I've seen Dave do that live with the dotted 8th to 16th bass pattern in the intro and continuing through the verse. It's not how I hear it on the studio version, but to be honest... the bass drum is so lost in the mix when the band is playing... it's tough to make it out. It certainly works... so cheers!
You're teaching a good groove, but this is not what Garibaldi played.
Thanks for the comment Gorilla. I've seen Dave play this groove many times, and I've seen him change it up. Dave is from a Jazz school, so it's more about the vibe than the part. That being said, this lesson is based on his original studio recording. The intro version of that is straighter as I demonstrated above, and the verse gets a little more syncopated. I have also seen him play the verse groove (if you fast forward to 4:53) throughout the entire tune, including the intro. Here's a video of Dave playing it that way. ruclips.net/video/HKPxOz4Dd4A/видео.html If you notice, Dave uses more ghost notes. He's a fan of the swiss triplet and uses it pretty liberally. As I mentioned above, this is kind of a sketeton version of the groove so feel free to add your own thing to it.
again...gotta get the snare sound happening...detracts from the video.
you flame with metronome
I think you mean flam, it's just a lesson, a good one at that.
Well... The digital metronome must be a little off, 'cause it couldn't be me. lol ;-P
yeah, there was probably a power surge or something!
lol... definitely a power surge! I like that and am gonna use it from now on!
I am sorry, but this beat is basic paradiddle (on snare and hi-hat). Watch David play.
+Marko Dokmanić VERY close, but not quite. David plays RLRR LRRL on the hat and snare, not RLRR LRLL
+ Sargoy Of Mossad ...if you are gonna get technical... you are both right. He's adding a swiss triplet to the end in that example... or a parafliddle. He's still playing rlrr lrrl as mentioned above, but adding a extra "left" in unison with the very last "right" on the hihat. What you guys have to realize is... this is funk... a derivative of jazz. The feel is more important than the part. There is no right or wrong if it feels right and I've seen Dave change this groove every time I've seen him play it, one way or another. There's no correct or incorrect if it feels good.
How he plays it now is completely different from how he played it when he made the record. Several years before the train accident, DG mentioned in an interview that he injured his right foot or leg, and he couldn't play his original parts anymore; I'm not sure his changing of the part has anything to do with that, but it may.
This version is supposed to be the record version, but it isn't entirely correct. It's missing several bass drum notes (DG's own transcription in one of his books verifies this, IIRC, as does turning up the bass and listening at reduced speed), and the occasional open hi-hat on the a of 4. I think the breakdown in the middle of the song was originally played with a paradiddle-like sticking though. Something like rlrr-lrlr-rlrr-lrrl.
@@Thedrummersalmanac I agree that feel ultimately is more important than note-for-note accuracy. However, DG himself has talked about having to make a decision as a young drummer whether to pursue jazz or contemporary music, and that he went the latter route because he liked playing through-composed and orchestrated parts versus making up parts as you go. So despite funk being a derivative of jazz, clearly it has diverged enough that using that as justification is not really valid.
@@jc3drums916 Thanks for the comments @jC3drums ...Pursuing contemporary music does not mean that you forgo the lessons you learn as a Jazz player or the ability to embellish a part on the fly. The track that made the album was probably "Take 3" and I promise you, it was not identical to take 1 and 2. Another example would be Steve Smith playing Don't Stop Believing. The feel is there when he plays it live, but the part is not exactly what's on the record. There are players that write an exact drum part, like Neil Peart from Rush, but Dave is not that kind of player. I've seen him play this tune dozens of times and never has he played it exactly the same way twice. Even if it was your goal to play it exactly like Dave does... he would tell you "...play it your own way, man. Just make it groove and feel good." I would agree that the parts are orchestrated to a point... hell, that's why I'm offering my interpretation... but it's not pop or progressive music. There is plenty of breathing room in TOP's style of funk and you can most definitely nail the feel without getting all the same ghost notes. I agree that accuracy is important, but I see so many players get so wrapped up in a technical analysis that they miss the point and never make the groove feel good.
The groove is actually paradiddles between hihat and snare, not this.
Wrong
as far as the snare is concerned, ghosts on the E & first and third beat of first measure. 2nd measure E & of first beat E of beat 3 snare on beat 4 as well as the A on beat 4
for everyone who wants to learn the real version. not trying to sound like a snob but come on vic firth really??!?
it's PEERT as in ear, PEART.. not PERT...
You're Snare drum is not Crisp enough!
Hi
Neither is your spelling.
this is not accurate at all
listen to what is hip
his hi hat is opening on almost every A of each beat
Hi +Aaron Shady... Thanks for your comments. This transcription is actually what Dave plays on the studio recording. If you take note at 1:13 I mention that this is also a skeleton version of the groove just to get the basic coordination. On the studio version intro, Dave does indeed get the open hihat "a's" on each beat by playing the intro groove as I demonstrated above while simply keeping straight 8ths on the left foot hihat. The "a's" will sound out automatically. So, good ears on that. I've also seen Dave change up these groove in terms of the bass pattern, hihat and ghost notes considerably when he plays it live. He's from a Jazz school, so there is no set part. Just a vibe. The above lesson is my interpretation of that vibe, broken down so a student can play it. It works great when you play it with a band.
this is indeed not accurate
At 7:25 when you are demonstrating a hi hat pattern, you use an exaggerated Moeller type technique with your right hand. Your little finger even comes off of the stick. When playing at speed, this type of movement would never work. I think for educational purposes and young drummers that are watching, it may be better to avoid that kind of flair. When you play it fast yourself, that exaggerated moeller technique goes away. If a young drummer tried to incorporate that at tempo, they may have trouble.
Hey Bill, thanks for the comment. Ya know, everyone seems to have a different interpretation on what Moeller technique is. Which is cool. I was taught and continue to teach that the "Moeller" technique is built off the whipping motion and all of the subsequent informal motions that react and benefit from that motion. I studied with three drummers that studied right under Jim Chapin... Dave Stark, Frank Bellucci, and Dom Famularo. These days I have also added my own concepts to it. I would not call what you are seeing at that point in the vid "Moeller" as I am not using the Moeller (Whip) stroke with the right hand. I am simply playing Full strokes (Free strokes, rebound strokes, etc...) I am doing that because... honestly, it probably felt good in that moment. The opposite would be to play into the hat, with down strokes (Control strokes), which would be more physical. Neither one is wrong... Just what ever feel you prefer at that tempo. To clarify, my finger(s) comes off the stick in favor of the rebound, then they return to the stick when the rebound is complete. As far as that hindering anyone's education... The Full stroke is probably the most important thing to understand in drumming. I don't think it would hinder anyone if they understand that technique and if someone doesn't, I would encourage them to ask their teacher about it. Here's a vid I did on that: ruclips.net/video/AGmfzaAYDsM/видео.html
Dave Garibaldi he ain't...
This dude is really good player without a doubt, and explains things clearly, but it really bugs me that he doesn't even bother to put the open-hats in the right places during the intro... The hat work totally makes the groove.
There's artistic liberty, and then there's laziness. This seems more the latter...
Dave doesn't even play it that way any more. He plays a paradiddle.
Wrong