Teslas are those prices because their warranty is 8 year or 120,000. 2016 is at that 8 year mark so if something goes wrong with the high voltage battery, you will be charge 22k for a new battery. Coming from a Tesla Model S owner that it happened too
if you go to an independent garage they can swap out individual modules and complements, making a repair much cheaper, but I am really sorry that happened to you, that sucks man
It's obvious this guy is trying a high buck resale Teslas he must have been a crypto guy made millions off telling you guys to buy it. Buy it. Buy now. Buy now 80% of these RUclipsrs are con artists get Nft's He probably has Tesla stock. Oh no I'm losing money
We just purchased a 2021 model 3 long range AWD. This car is amazing. I’m 59 and I’ve never experienced instant acceleration like that in my life. The technology is endless and the car just works. You have to drive one to understand it. I still love combustion engines and loud muscle cars and lifted trucks but I can’t hate on EV’s
Have you seen the well laid out service manuals online for Teslas? I actually don't mind getting a cheap high mileage (160k) Tesla. Im looking at several right now. May pull the trigger soon! Good used Batteries are down in the $5k range for worst case scenario. Its hard to get a good gas engine swapped at that price.
Bullish or bearish, AI stocks will still dominate 2024, even beyond. Why I prefer NVIDIA is that they are better placed to maintain long-term growth potential, and provide a platform for other AI companies. I know someone who has made more than 200% from NVIDIA. I'll also take these other recommendations you made.
I agree, just because the market presents opportunities doesn't mean we should rush in headfirst. For this reason, we should look for appropriate market analysis or guidance or seek advice from certified market strategists.
@@AllsopsBrowns No doubt, having the right plan is invaluable, my portfolio is well-matched for every season of the market and recently hit a 100% rise from early last year. I and my CFP are working on a 7 figure ballpark goal, tho this could take till Q3 2024.
@@DavidsDefelices Can you share details of your advisor? I want to invest my increased cash flow in stocks and alternative assets to achieve financial goals.
@@ThomasesLaceys I've shuffled through investment coaches; they can positively impact an individual's portfolio. But do your due diligence to find a coach with grit that withstood the 2008 crash. MARGARET MOLLI ALVEY was better and smarter than all the advisors I have ever worked with. I’ve never met anyone with as much conviction.
@@DavidsDefelices I appreciate this. After curiously searching her name online and reviewing her credentials, I'm quite impressed. I've contacted her as I could use all the help I can get.
A second hand Tesla model 3 / Y is very good for your wallet. Even a new one is good for your Total Cost of Ownership. A second hand certainly. I bought one for 40K though and yes its depreciating fast. I rather could have waited a year and bought one but... i just keep it and drive it to the ground. THen its still the cheapest car i ever owned.
I'm seriously considering getting one from Hertz. The one I'm looking at is a 2023 model 3 base version with 85k miles for $18,833. Is it worth it? How's your car going so far?
My 2024 model 3 performance is so fun day to day where it matters and love that it doesn't attract unwanted attention unlike my c8 where I have to keep my head on a swivel.
Tesla is definitely making waves, and with the market already seeing positive movement, there's a lot of potential right now. I’ve got $80K to invest but honestly, markets can be confusing for me. With Trump winning and Elon Musk’s influence boosting momentum, I’m wondering if there are other ways to capitalize on this opportunity beyond just buying stocks. Thoughts?
I suggest you focus on two key objectives. Learn when to sell stocks to minimize losses and maximize gains to start protecting yourself. Second, prepare to make money when the market turns around. I advise speaking with a broker or financial counselor.
Agreed. My portfolio is well-matched for every market season yielding 85% from early last year to date. I and my CFP are working on a 7 figure ballpark goal, tho this could take another year. In my opinion, financial advisors are the most sought-after professionals after doctors.
I’m hesitant to make recommendations like this online so I can't drop her contact here, but you could look her up yourself and contact her if you wish. Her name is Celia Kathleen Martel.
As an owner of an Ariel Atom and numerous motorcycles I think I’m fairly familiar with the enjoyment of owning exciting ICE vehicles. Equally, my daily driver is a Model 3, which is equally exciting in some ways. The fundamental difference is that the ICE vehicles I own are strictly for track use, as that is the most appropriate place for driving/riding them in the manner for which they were designed. For responsible daily driving the Tesla can’t be beaten. For track use, not so much.
Manually switching gears, rev match, blip, e-brake, loud revs are all amazing inputs that is totally fun. But you can also appreciate EVs, 1.) no exhaust fumes 2.) flooring it off a redlight without any sound warnings to nearby cars 3.) cheap as hell with home charger 4.) amazing user experience in software and keyless. 5.) switching in and out of FSD because you know the software so well, you know when to take over. Teslas are just the best daily / city cars currently. Get a track car for the track, and a hybrid SUV for long distance trips.
@@tldrinfographics5769 I love fast ICE cars, i had sport cars myself as well in the past. I think this is it. EV's outperform regular daily drive cars so much. I don't understand why would you ever buy a combustion engine car for your daily driving. It's just dumb, but yeah V6 V8 i still love and i think also that ICE belongs on the track.
Our new society of tribalism the news media created its getting old, isn't it? I also own both, and one doesn't have anything to do with the other, although they serve common purposes. I don't throw out my flat head screw driver because I needed a Philips that day.
Model 3 owner here too, but I have to ask: Which iteration of the Ariel Atom do you have? Even the early ones were amazing, but they just got better and better! It's probably one of my favorite cars.
I am a mechanic waiting to find a tesla with a bad battery that I can fix up for cheap. I guess that is not realistic since they rarely go bad. Luckily I might not have to do that at these prices. I love driving the evs since they are like go carts and cost way less as a daily driver over my f-350. Also we must keep diesels alive as they are my biggest money maker! When a diesel truck come into the shop the customers bill can easily be over 10k!
1:40 Did anyone else catch how little sense this made? If new EVs in particular are becoming less desirable, the used EV market should have a lower supply, which would *increase* prices, not lower them.
Prices will increase if the demand for used EVs is there. I bought a 200k mile f150, I wouldn't buy a 200k mile tesla anything unless it was dirt cheap.
No one wants to talk about the Elephant in the room. The never ending story called it the nothing. Chaos is resonating in humanity again. This one is going to be rough. Our grandchildren have a good chance of living in another dark age. Failing car prices, foreclosed houses, ramped mental disease, and enough cynicism to fill an ocean is nothing compared to the potential.
I think it’s somewhat different than how you’ve framed it. The new and used markets are different markets with different consumers (often, not always) with different decision making chains. So a prospective consumer who would otherwise buy a new car isn’t looking at the purchase decision as new or used. Just as a used car buyer isn’t a new car buyer. (Maybe because of unaffordability, but just as plausible is they simply don’t care to put that much capital into a depreciating asset. Like if your fridge died and you needed to get a new one, if you’re the average consumer, do you go out and get the best one, or the one at the top of your budget, or the one that will do the job and meet your aesthetic? Aside from incentives changing, there are multiple other potential factors. EVs are an emerging tech where the product life cycle isn’t fully known or analogous to an ICE car. You can look at an ICE car and have a better understanding of what it will take to keep it on the road for a long period of time. There’s plenty of shops and parts stores to keep them on the road. There are fewer EV techs. Charging infrastructure isn’t great yet. And how economical are they to keep on the road for 10, 20, 30 years? The prospect of having to replace a battery pack is a serious consideration. And modern cars having so much tech as UI is cool now, but using old tech isn’t. In fact it’s painful. Further, things like battery chemistry are likely to be completely different within five years, and that could render all current EVs obsolete and worthless. The other factor is that residuals for your average EV right now are terrible. Buying one, you stand to lose more money. Not many people want to stand in that line. With Teslas specifically, the points of detraction are they are on average more expensive to insure and more expensive and take longer to repair if they aren’t totalled because of how they designed. (Having to replace a gigacasting frame and a battery pack because of minor damage is a design that doesn’t fully understand the full life cycle of a car. With EVs being emerging tech, they conform to the innovation adoption curve. Adoption happens in phases. It’s still the early adoption phase, and that market might be saturated. EVs don’t always make economic sense. If you drive a lot of miles every year, the savings can add up. But if you have a reliable ICE car it might not. For two cars for the last two years for me, fuel and maintenance has been maybe $2k. An EV would only save hundreds but cost more in depreciation. With a higher capital cost. My advice to friends and family is to buy the nicest Lexus with reasonable mileage for $10k you can find, and as long as you keep up with the maintenance you should have many years of relatively cheap and trouble free motoring.
I felt like a teenage boy again when I was walking around this CyberTruck in a Home Depot parking lot a couple of weeks ago. (FYI: I was a boy when Reagan was still the president) After a while, the owner came out and saw what I was doing. He was obviously used to people taking pictures of his awesome truck! I was kind of amused because he turned out to be 81 years old. After chatting with him for a couple of minutes, he asked me if I wanted to take a ride in it. My first thought was "do I go upstairs if Heidi Klum invites me upstairs at 11pm for coffee?" Of course I said YES! We drove around for a few minutes and it was an amazing experience. I was equally shocked when I found out that he paid over $100,000 for it. I wasn't really keeping up with CyberTruck news. I knew it wasn't cheap, but I thought it was more reasonable like $70k or even $80k. I couldn't help but wonder... if I do want to buy a $100k+ truck, do I really want the CyberTruck? While it's fun, I probably won't ever buy one.
In 5 years a two or three year old RWD cyber truck will be 30k, a AWD will be 35k. Wait until the market has plenty of used teslas and like we see today with the 3s and S models deals will be there for the taking.
I recently bought a model 3 and asked about the cyber truck prices. The employees were saying this is like a limited edition version and that next year they plan to release a more reasonably priced one around 50-60
I got a Tesla Model 3 Long Range (0-60 in 3.8 seconds) for 20k GBP (so 25k USD) with only 48k miles on the clock - I had some new tyres put on it (as the garage I got it from put the wrong tyres on, so I went to Tesla, and the garage paid for it) they looked under my car as they initially couldn’t work out why it was misaligned - they said “Your car is in VERY good condition for being 4 years old” (as it’s a 2020 model 3) so it also looks like the guy who had it before me looked after it very well, the only thing I’ve seen is swirl marks on the paintwork from washing the car (which usually happens to all cars) and I absolutely love it, going from a Golf R to a Tesla Model 3, I don’t miss the engine at all. I genuinely think most of the hate comes from with EV’s is that people who drive normal cars are scared to take the plunge or just can’t afford to get the car + charger installed at their homes (I’m talking about average every day people who drive 1.2L - 2L cars with 0-60 times of 10-18 seconds who think they can mock a Tesla and tell you to ‘get an engine’ or ‘get a real car’ when in fact they don’t drive ‘real cars’ themselves) Legit I pulled into a car park to go to the shop and there was a group of boy racers in 1L Corsas, Polos, Fiestas, etc and they all started revving their 60-70bhp engines at me as if they were proving some sort of point… there was no point to prove, their cars can’t go quick on their best day - they act like they drive Lamborghinis or Ferraris, mocking the Tesla’s that absolutely smoke their little embarrassing shit boxes. Personally I think that comes down to jealousy. Most people will never own a car that does 0-60 in sub 4 seconds, they’d rather the millionaires keep that privilege in their sports cars while they drive sad, sluggish NA petrols and little turbo diesels and laugh at people who actually have cars capable of racing / keeping up with the wealthy.
the prices for used teslas are low cause there is still a 4k used ev tax credit for american built ev’s sold for under 25k at dealerships. pretty much all dealers list the cars online at the price “with 4k rebate included” that’s not the actual price they’re selling for retail. but if the car and you qualify there’s insane deals to be made. i bought a ‘19 model 3 dual motor long range as a secondary work car for about 15,9 after 4k incentive.
Used telsa have low demand. If a car is popular and in demand it depreciates less. People/car dealers are dropping price cus no one wants them. Thats why your telsa is under $20k. Thats 50% depreciation in 5 years. Most cars are not losing 50% in value in 5yrs.
My favorite car moment was putting a massive (at the time) T72 turbo on my 1st gen talon AWD and ripping thru the gears with the windows down listening to that baby sing. Nothing beats the sound of a turbo spooling just before the bov hit back in those days. Shout out to John Shepard
I have owned a bunch of normal people sports cars. The fastest being corvettes and a 1st gen Viper. I loved the 94 and 95 corvettes the most because they were good HP, handled really well, rode good enough to take on a 6+ hour trip, and quiet enough to rip it off the line but not sound like it. I love music when I drive, it sounds so much better in any car that doesn't make a bunch of engine noises. Musk cutting prices on new cars is also driving down the value of used ones. I bought a used car in January and would have gotten an EV but they cost too much for me.
The best car I've ever driven is my Tesla Model 3. It's incredibly quiet, with exceptional power for an everyday vehicle, and its simplicity is one of its greatest strengths. After 250,000 km, the battery is still performing amazingly well-it's truly a dream car. I can’t stand noisy cars or supercars; they feel inefficient beyond belief. I love EVs for their affordability in terms of running costs and the lack of maintenance they require. It’s a game-changer.
You're in an area where charging is never an issue. Tavares made a good point that people get anxiety about needing to find places to charge. It's not as easy as finding a gas station even in the best city with the most charging ports. If you can always charge at home that's a different story.
My wife drives a Tesla model 3. We use it as a grocery getter - it’s not a real car. We just pile-on mileage and that’s what it was made for. 95,000 miles and we’ve never even changed the brakes! No fluids. No nothing. Just tires , washer fluid and that’s it. I drive a full size bronco. The issue with ev’s is they could last a lot longer that we think …. I think a model 3 for $20-25k is a smokin deal (for a grocery getter)
Car enthusiasts that care about track days and whatnot do NOT dictate the market. The reasons there are so many used Tesla's is because there have been a lot of aggressive incentives like $7500 tax breaks and sometimes .99% or 1.99% interest, it becomes very compelling to switch before you need to. Next is a lot of Lease returns as two and 3 year leases expire. Also fleets unloading cars as they do, and a biggie is the huge price reductions on Tesla's in 2023 ($13k for model Y) means a lot of people locked in a payment can move into a new Tesla and have lower monthly payment. These factors play a part in the market, not the buying habits of your idea of car enthusiasts. The general public do not buy cars for the reasons you do. There is a great quote from Anais Nin: "We Don’t See Things As They Are, We See Them As We Are"
Actually the question was "why do car enthusiasts despise EVs?" And the answer Tavarish provided was spot on. I can attest to that as an enthusiast. Nobody said that enthusiasts dictate the market for EVs. Only time we dictate the market is with niche rides aimed squarely at us. Rest of the time, the automotive sheep rule the landscape because they're the majority buyers of appliances that make bulk of the market whether EV or ICE.
I know three people who drive Teslas and they love them. They literally have nothing bad to say about the cars. I’m seriously considering buying a model 3 as a daily driver.
You are absolutely right. That’s why I only leased my Teslas. After a certain amount of time the battery will cost you. And it’s hard to get the value you want from it if you own it for about 7 years and try to sale it.
I'm on my second Tesla Model 3, I had a beautiful black Audi A5 for years before, loved it and I was always getting compliments. The Tesla craps on it in pretty much every way. It's amazing looking, everytime I walk up to it the Tesla stands out in every parking lot. I pinch myself I have it not to mention the looks I'd be getting. Some hateful granted but often people come up and say beautiful car. It has pretty much a computer inside with fantastic surround sound that drives the car. Then.... I put the foot down and the buzz as it throws me down the road, if people are in it they all go omg, it's the best driving experience I've had by miles. Enhanced autopilot parks it, summons it, changes lane. I can't wait to get FSD when it's allowed in Ireland. As for it's no skill involved, going around a corner in a car with that acceleration is a whole other level of skill needed than any other car I've driven. It elevates your driving because you need fantastic control to keep it steady with just straight-line acceleration. I don't drive fast everywhere but when I am outside the city and I know its safe I have my fun whilst significantly improving my driving. It never fails to make me smile and give me that brilliant feeling. Charger at home so the most it's ever cost me to run has 40 a month and I've driven 25/30k km in 15 months of owning Teslas. I've saved thousands, I wouldn't dream of ever going back to ICE, I have my dream car from when I was 6 years old wanting to grow up fast so I could have my first car. I thought the A5 was my dream car, not even close. Sorry for my rant but saying there's no skill involved is crazy talk!
I just purchased a 2021 model S long range refresh a few weeks ago for 52,900 with 30,400 miles. It was a leased car from Tesla used car facility. Immaculate condition!😊 I saved 40 thousand bucks! My 2021 MYP i over paid when it was purchased new at 62,990 then Elon dropped the price by 8 thousand dollars the next few months 😮. I will just stay with used Tesla’s because of the cheaper prices.
I'm a car enthusiast that daily drives Tesla S PLAID and freaking love it! I also own a Zl1 1le manual for the weekends. Best of both worlds for my needs
I always hear common comments on Teslas. They don’t make sound, and the batteries are expensive when they fail. I come from a major hot rod back ground. I have owned supercharged bad boys with big cams etc. I will admit when I bought my Tesla performance it took time to get use to the quiet. Now I like hearing my stereo as I smoke gas bad boys so bad it looks like their motor died. As far as the batteries concerned, has anyone priced an engine replacement on a newer car lately? I am a Factory certified Master Technician with over 40 years in the trade. Believe me Teslas are great cars and very reliable. I own two of them and have not had to work on my own car in years because they are just that good. If I want to hear sound of a car I just let a hellcat go out front a half a car length to hear the car sound then I put ten car lengths on him right when he thought he was going to win. Believe me that never gets old. As always it’s your money and life is short, so buy what makes you happy always. Enjoy your ride my brothers, life is much shorter than we realize.
Mark my words. The same thing that happened to mechanical ⚙️ watches when quartz watches came out will also happen to internal combustion cars: internal combustion cars will still exists but become much less common as luxury items for the connoisseurs
Great example! I remember when Casio had that tuning fork watch that NASA ended up using. Thing is still expensive, but in a collector way. Ended up being obsolete from a 50 cent crystal a few years later.
Yes, but how many years. You still need a shit load of infrastructure. The prices need to come down and a few other things. This will take at least 10 years. If you're 60, how old will you be when that happens?
Because the same features the ev has, the gas cars are getting You cant even ref them due to limiters. You dont even need to start them anymore. Just foot on gas and go with stop start systems. So the only real difference is the fuel. And charging is just too annoying. I wish i could put gas in my phones 😂
A big reason is because of the EV battery life. Most people use Tesla superchargers which when used all the time will deplete the life of the battery considerably.
Tesla sells expensive at first because they use the money to ramp up production and R&D to keep improving the car. They make the most of any car in the industry off every single car so they can play with the price. The car is essentially like an iPhone that can be upgraded so even the older Tesla are like new cars on the software side. They slowly start dropping the price once it reaches mass production. Tesla Model Y is the best selling car on Earth and the Cybertruck is already the best selling EV pickup truck so saying the market is dying is not true. Especially with China ramping up and US adding tariffs to stop the flow of EV into the US from China. Tesla has primarily built the entire infrastructure for EV since they were the ones to make EV viable. Selling old Tesla cheap helps Tesla develop the data to build The Robotaxi network. Basically at this point they’re printing money regardless of how much they sell Tesla cars for
Theyre cheap because of warrantys expiring. Tesla owners buy them because they've never used a screwdriver in their entire life, a flat tire is an all day event.
I like that EVs have commoditized easy skill level, reduced NVH, quick acceleration etc. When I want to do short trips / BS errands - I hop in my EV and don’t have to worry about long term engine wear. However, when I want to sizzle my fizzle and spice the mechanical appreciation side of my brain, I whip out my enthusiast ice vehicle of choice.
I’ve driven/rented quite a few electric cars including most of the Tesla’s. Agree with the car enthusiast visceral perspective and that’s where the Hyundai Ionic 5N makes things more complicated. Drove one recently and the car does really good job of creating an enthusiasts experience with electronics. It was fun, fast, satisfying…but for $70k?
Initial quality issues are common, but if you inspect your car when you get it and have them fix any issues, they're incredibly solid afterwards. The tech and ownership is amazing, but the initial "god i hope i get a good build" is not.
I love my Tesla Model S. I just hit 190,000 miles on the original battery still running strong. Don’t let the haters persuade you most of the people that don’t like EVs have never even owned one.
@ I just hit 194,000 yesterday. Original battery 2013 P85. There are some incredible deals out there for example you can get a 2017 P100D that does 0 to 60 and 2.5 seconds for about $28,000 right now. But honestly, even the regular cars are quick enough. My next car is gonna be a model Y you could pick those up for about 20K now.
I bought a Tesla Model S 100D (2019) for 32k euros with 80k miles on it. It drives great, has lots of space, and requires low maintenance. I also have a charger in my garage with solar panels. I have nothing to complain about. I must say the infrastructure of the Netherlands is great for EVs; you can find chargers at almost every gas station and along the streets.
The reason why Tesla’s are going down in price is because Tesla keeps coming out with better and cheaper cars under the same name. The model S use to cost 120k-130k because it was so expensive to produce but now they can make the same model S but better (more range, features) for 80-85k. So in the used market you’ll see that 125k car lose 40-50k of value just based off that. Then add in dep from use and the used EV credit and you’ll get those big drop offs you see. However if you buy a new one now the depreciation curve should be more “normal” for a Tesla compared to other cars since they have scaled up. You’ll always see big drop offs but should get better and better. I’m buying a used Tesla for myself and then another for my mom. We are looking at 2-3 year old vehicle under 50k miles and leveraging the tax credit. Doing so I can get her into a model Y or 3 at the same cost basis as some other used ICE SUV that’s 9-10k cheaper and the Tesla will be over, quicker, more features and look far better.
Its demand. Theres no demand for used telsas. So sellers have to keep dropping price. No difference from any car in the market. 2018 model 3 can be found for $15k. 6yr old car and lost over 50% of its value.
@@SeanMcDonnell33 The cheapest ones are always in Cali, Florida and east coast. You can get them for around 50k miles if you are willing to travel to them and don't mind it being in a prior minor accident (so had paint damage/dents but they should be repaired if the dealership is honest). Otherwise without the accident and lower than 50k miles it'll be 28-31k from what I'm seeing unless you get a really aggressive dealer that comes down during negotiation.
I got my first ev. I like how it glides on the road and darts around. I feel a lot of power on the road. I’m way more assertive and confident than I was with my gas car. I have a turbo gas powered car which I feel confident and in other words more comfortable being aggressive when I need to be. But with the EV the acceleration is incredible and the precision to make decisions in a split second gives me a sense of superiority over other vehicles on the road (which makes me laugh at the huge pickup truck drivers that try to assert their dominance). I am by no means that kind of person but I do understand the power that I have with my ev. It takes more responsibility to drive something with more power. And I don’t see that responsibility with many pickup truck drivers, that’s why I wanted to put that out there. Yeah, so if I want to squeeze into a spot I don’t have to think twice. It just goes there. No lag from the peddle to the engine or to a turbo. It just darts to that spot that I am looking at. It’s incredibly satisfying. So when I think about that raw animal taming feeling I just hop on a motorcycle. You don’t get that kind of feeling from a regular turbo gas car unless it’s maybe a sports car or muscle car. For me, I am bored of gas cars and motorcycles are the only thing that fulfills that excitement and adventure that I am looking for on the road. EVs have kind of rekindled my joy of driving as well by introducing a new kind of driving experience.
@@De_Wukong 90K Miles is just A FRACTION of the battery lifespan a well built well designed BEV. Model 3, Model S, Kona EV have all been recorded to do 200,000 kilometers with very little issues with the battery. But Model S is known to have Dirty Motor Internals and Suspension problems at those ages. Soo yeah Easily is mostly accurate.
As a car enthusiast, I'm convinced that Evie's electric motors offer a driving experience that's just as satisfying, if not better, than traditional gas engines, especially when you factor in the incredible silence.
It IS great to floor the juice pedal in a Tesla and NOT have every cop within three blocks know that you did that! "Quiet fast" is the new cool for some people.
Another reason I feel like they are so cheap is because Tesla themselves lower the prices of their cars like every other week. Plus most people who buy teslas want the latest and greatest tech and tech moves fast so when the car is 5+ years old they want a new one and there is just an excess of used ones
Tongue in cheek: Agreed. Way back in the day one could feel the rush of the horse fighting the reins or squealing as you asked for more speed or the taste of dust on the tongue or the smell of the horse..... Oh, how times are a changing.
High performance EV's are like Mary Due characters; super powerful, easy, lack of character, and no hard work involved. It ends up being uninteresting despite literally outperforming gasoline vehicles. It's a huge drawback when for enthusiasts who aren't purely chasing higher specs just for the sake of it.
nobody thinks you're cool or special because you choose to manually shift gears. Bragging that it's harder to drive a manual is boomer cope. It's harder to carve a turkey without an electric knife, but nobody's impressed that you did it without one
@@Jortdf534lol DEAD ON. Boomer cope. lol I love it. It’s like computer nerds who want to look cool because they can do everything with the command line when everyone else can do the same exact thing with 2 clicks on an icon
Bingo on the ev driving experience - it’s just a conveyance appliance. No technical, mechanical, or physical skill required. If you’re a “car guy” the experience is likely more than half the fun. I drive an R8 as a daily driver and it’s great. I also have a ‘72 MGB GT. The MG is more fun when trying to drive it quickly because it has meager power, skinny tires, and just decent brakes, but you feel everything and you have to scan the dash gauges since there are no idiot lights. Now don’t get me wrong, I love the R8, it is rock solid, and you feel like you can do anything in it. But the MG with its fun per dollar ratio is hard to beat.
If you buy a Tesla out of warranty be prepared to spend money, a lot of money. People say they don’t break, that’s a bold faced lie. They are expensive, let me explain after owning for 5 years. Struts replacement 7,600usd All door handles broke, fixed them 2 broke again 1.5 years later $300 each Trunk replacement $250 repair broke 1.5 years latee Engine broke quoted. $9400usd after $850 diagnosis. Headlights balast $1700 , both went out Windshield crack $1200
We can drive a daily driver car now, that has the acceleration, that beats a Ferrari F40 or Porsche 959, which I had posters of on my wall in the 80s, for less than a 1/4 of the price those cars were 35+ yrs ago. On top of that, you don't get 12mpg, with premium fuel only lol. I mean come on, people are complaining?
@@JohnDoe-lw2nm I got an RWD model 3, it performs better than other RWD cars i had in the snow because of the extreme good traction control. Which is impossible with ICE motor because an electric motor has fine grained torque control. An electric motor is ALWAYS better in snow than ICE.
Electronics depreciate stupidly fast. Imagine all the people that died on a Black Friday sale trying to get their hands on a 30 dollar DVD Player. Now people in their 20s never had a DVD.
Found a Model 3 PerforFound a Model 3 Performance 2019 with 75000km for about 22,500USD. From Tesla Certified Pre Owned. For some reason it has: Limited Vehicle Warranty October 2027 / 100,000 total kilometers Limited Used Vehicle Warranty Additional 1 year / 20,000 total kilometers Limited Battery and Powertrain Warranty October 2030 / 192,000 total kilometers Seems like a good deal?
So you get a 5 year old performance model 3 with only 75k for 22,5 yet the battery is covered for 6 more years ? Sign me up after explaining what limited means
@@iamchaunceman "limited" means the usual stuff + for EV batteries it means that normal degradation is not covered by warranty. You don't get a new one if your Tesla has lost 8% range after 8 years. You get a new one if it has lost 30% or more. (ain't gonna happen) The extra long warranty is probably a glitch but it wouldn't be the first time that people can take advantage of such a mistake 😄
The main reason is that the prices of new ones are now getting so low - down to $35k - and in some states you can get as much as $12-15k in tax rebates. For those people it doesnt make sense to buy used.
Yeah, and i love it. I got a 2022 M3 LR for under 10k. I got it at 75k miles and just got to 90. The body had some damage, which is why it was so cheap, but I manaed to fix it up with bondo and paint correction. It's still noticeable but definently more than enough for a daily driver. Very happy with my purchase and will probably drive it until it falls apart. Though, used Model S Plaids under 50k miles are around 50k... Might trade it in in the future.
@@YD-pl5rn "300k+ miles" I thought you were going to use some silly impressive number. BEVs do 300K miles also with not much fixes. It'll do way more miles if you spend a few thousand dollars on fixes. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
The cost of a new battery is just too much, and the general public is slowly realizing that a used hybrid and EV is just not worth it, until the cost of a new battery goes down.
Teslas are just that, .... cheap, cheaply built, low quality components. They're showing up at Used Car lots across the U.S.. Very hard to sell a Used EV
The best thing about falling values of EVs is that naturally a very good percentage of owners will keep them until the wheels fall off. Which is the best financial decision you can make for any vehicle, but most people don’t for emotional reasons. And for most EVs that means hundreds of thousands of miles and 12+ years of issue free driving. By that time all car loans are long paid off and you are enjoying the cheapest possible transportation for 7+ years without feeding the banks
Enthusiast car would be #3 in the garage that typically only gets driven on weekends or infrequently because you don't want to get it dirty or pile on mileage. Telsa on the other hand is the #1 car in garage that gets driven 95+% of the time because of the low cost of ownership, reliability and great tech. With that said, older pre-2020 telsas are still great, reliable, and typically still under warranty, but the tech updates are infrequent and you can tell it's getting left behind. Like an android phone 4 versions back.
As long as gas prices continue to go up, EVs will be around. For me it’s a very practical and pragmatic experience. I’m not a car enthusiast so I’m not concerned about how a vehicle sounds. I imagine people spending $30k USD on a Tesla fall within this category The other factor are the rebates. Most of these cars had 7- 15 k knocked off the price originally due to federal, state and. Municipal rebates. These will eventually be reflected in resale values. Elon/Tesla have always said they wanted these EV rebates to stop. Tesla doesn’t need them to move vehicles. Other OEMs do.
This felt like listening to the livery stable owner in the early 1900s telling you how the car takes no skill, but a horse takes skill, and you can hear the sounds of the horse, and you're outdoors and one with the horse, its visceral. He's probably right, but doesn't matter, EVs are going to take over during the next 10 or so years. Look what's happening in China as we speak, they are already above 50% now.
@@galeng2569 You can buy whatever you desire. I live in Texas and plenty of people still ride horses. But make no mistake, EVs are going to dominate in the coming years, it’s just inevitable
@@johnchristopher7697 I agree it is inevitable that most cars on the road will be EVs in the future. That is the next automotive step. Not at the rate your talking about tho....10yrs? Hardly. This is a generational thing. We are atleast 2-3 generations away from EVs being kings on the road.
The rear earth minerals will deplete long before we consume fossil fuels and natural gas--how do you figure EVs will take over? Besides that, ICE vehicles can run on a multitude of fuels, not simply petrol. The EV hype is a cash-grabbing fad.
The problem is, it will still be a bad deal for you as the car will keep loosing value while you own it. Only exception is, when it is soooo cheap that the total amount isn't that large anymore and there's still enough life in it to justify that purchase. Fords are like that in Germany. Other than that I'd always suggest going with cars that hold their value well. Yes I know you'll spend a lot of money on an old and used car but guess what, you'll recoup that when selling it and then the total cost of ownership will be still low.
Love how they’re just ignoring the fact that almost every Tesla under 20k is a re built title which means it can’t super charger at a fast rate because Tesla blacklists them due to safety concerns.
It’s kind of a myth tbh. You can replace individual cells for a fraction of that, which makes it comparable to average ICE car bills. Furthermore, most of these batteries don’t need replacing anytime soon. Especially based on how long your typical buyer typically owns a car for.
@@ThrottleBodyWho exactly is doing the replacing of individual cell series in a totally potted tesla pack!? Are you sure about what your saying? Besides there is so much energy potential the battery pack is a high energy firebomb.
@@iKenFlyPPG there are companies out there that do it. This information is easily retrievable online. Car channel autotrader in the UK did a test on a 490k miles Tesla model s where they do into more detail about this and other myths. Give it a watch.
An Englishman had a Porsche Cayan EV which he paid 120,000 pounds for 3 years later he too it Carmax and was offered 25,000 pounds for it, Porsche dealer even refused it as a trade in, as their lot was full of unsold newer EV Taycans
As an Electrical Engineer, former car/motorcycle mechanic…. Teslas are not bulletproof…. Most devices/systems that are purely electronic are not known for their longevity.
I appreciate these guys not just crapping on Tesla like everyone else. It’s real talk. I agree with them. The Tesla is a great overall daily driver, isn’t anything better. If you take what Elon did back in 2012 with the model s, it was the impossible. We’re all just used to it these days. Go find yourself a weekend car with gas and gears. Best of both worlds.
Teslas are the ultimate impulse sales toys. Yes, they’re fast and fun which gets them off the “showroom” floor. Then, when something goes wrong, reality hits. What do you mean it’ll take 9 months for repair parts? What do you mean my insurance won’t cover a rental car for more than 60 days? What do you mean my car is literally worthless because my kid ran over something and punctured the battery pack? Why didn’t somebody tell me no one within 60 miles of a major city will work on them? Why won’t my cell phone pair with the charger? Why are 25% of all chargers off line? And for the very best “gotcha” coming soon to a place near you…What do you mean my homeowners insurance won’t cover my home after it burned down because I had my EV in it? Fun times await!
@@deej628 OK, I rounded up. But It is a fact that nationally, on average 23 or so percent of all electric charging units are non-functioning at any given time.
That doesn’t have nothing to do with Tesla. Tesla has a 98% run rate for their chargers. As far as your house burning down while charging, that doesn’t have anything to do with Tesla that’s more about people cheating out on the outlet that they use to charge their vehicle which is not rated for consistent use and and then your house will burn down if you have the proper outlet that’s capable for constant high power usage that won’t happen As far as the Tesla service center, yes in certain states they need to expand and have a broader team in order to fix issues, in my state that doesn’t apply to me because every time I set an appointment or schedule something everything is done on time
Also, a lot of people tend to get rid of their Teslas or EV’s in general is because they buy these cars and they think they’re like regular gas cars which they’re not and they don’t do the research if you do your research and you understand how Evie‘s work is not gonna be a problem but if you just buy it hop in it like it’s a regular gas car you’re gonna have a lot of issuesbecause it’s not the same as what you’re accustomed to similar, but not the same
Tesla certified repair shop replaced both doors panels (due to someone backing into my car) in a week. I have 2 Teslas in the garage. One from 5 years ago with 85k miles. Got a 3rd Tesla with free first 3 months supercharging and stalls are available and working fine. Seems like your stories are ancient.
Infrastructure It's not great in whole Europe is great in only few countries in Europe. Norway does not have 90% cars as EV... new cars sells in 2023 were 90% EV , huge difference:P
I think enthusiasts EVs like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N have proven that they can be so fun and bridge the gap between giving you ICE vehicle vibes with paddle shifters and mimicking engine revs and redlining the engine. But Tavarish is right, a lot of factors are slowing adoption and perception. I’ve driven an ID.4 for over 3 years, great experience and now more oil changes!
The fuck is Tavarish talking about? Errr car enthusiasts are the minority of car owners. Car enthusiasts don’t dictate the car market… the majority of owners do through demand. Tavarish talking like he knows how the car market works because he owns and fixes up a few cars. Lmao gotta love the internet.
Electric cars aren't even 7% of all cars on the road. ICE will be the primary seller for awhile. At worst we'll see tons of hybrids but all electric isn't happening. @@mikelyoutube9099
you left out tunability. car guys like to tinker, learn what makes their car better, faster, etc and apply that knowledge to help them achieve better performance. it's part of that makes a car more impressive than another- the clear knowledge or capability of an owner over someone else. you lose every single aspect of that with ev.
While an electric car DOES hack into my car memories and perceptions, it creates a great, new one: The beauty of the PERFECT drivetrain that has zero downside. Now, the battery "fuel source" is NOT great, but it is livable for many people. I may buy a used Model 3 within a year.
Once upon a time people were whining because horses were replaced by the ICE. Riding a horse requires more skill than driving and gives you more of an adrenaline rush. Everyone missed the sounds of the horse, the feel of a live animal under you, and the vibrations etc etc. 😂
@@Matt90541 How is charging from home at a fraction the cost of gas impractical? 300+ miles of range is longer than most roadtrips and when it's not you simply charge at a station for 20 min. There's about 20,000 Tesla superchargers in USA and 40,000 generic fast chargers
@@DTR89 Lots of people are unable to charge up where they live including myself. Cost of repairs and insurance isn't up to par with other manufacturers. Prices shown on Tesla's website are misleading - calculated using government supplied tax credit - kind of odd considering Musk brands himself as a libertarian type against big government.
Cars are not investments. You buy a car for the same reason you go on a vacation: to lose money, but enjoy your experience.
I go on holidays to find me a wifey x2 👯♀️💯😛
Thank you 🎉
they are , just buy the right ones :)
Invest in cars after you’re bored of investing in real estate or other more easy to manage assets
Cars are like cocaine for me. Expensive but worth it.
Teslas are those prices because their warranty is 8 year or 120,000. 2016 is at that 8 year mark so if something goes wrong with the high voltage battery, you will be charge 22k for a new battery. Coming from a Tesla Model S owner that it happened too
if you go to an independent garage they can swap out individual modules and complements, making a repair much cheaper, but I am really sorry that happened to you, that sucks man
Yeah got mine fixed for 6k.
Warranties are going up. Batteries now are being seen to run over 1,000,000 miles without problems.
It's obvious this guy is trying a high buck resale Teslas he must have been a crypto guy made millions off telling you guys to buy it. Buy it. Buy now. Buy now 80% of these RUclipsrs are con artists get Nft's He probably has Tesla stock. Oh no I'm losing money
@@kawkasaurouswhere did you get yours fixed? I’m in NYC/NJ area
We just purchased a 2021 model 3 long range AWD. This car is amazing. I’m 59 and I’ve never experienced instant acceleration like that in my life. The technology is endless and the car just works. You have to drive one to understand it. I still love combustion engines and loud muscle cars and lifted trucks but I can’t hate on EV’s
Don’t say that people here will hate you for loving them lol
EV's are great and are the future.
Very very low maintenance
Sell out
I love mine!!
@@doublem6027you’ll be ok
Only non-car ppl consider 80-90k to be high mileage
Sitting at 125,000 miles myself right now. Most I own go to 225,000+ before I sell to toss. I agree, 80,000 miles is not high mileage.
Have you seen the well laid out service manuals online for Teslas? I actually don't mind getting a cheap high mileage (160k) Tesla. Im looking at several right now. May pull the trigger soon! Good used Batteries are down in the $5k range for worst case scenario. Its hard to get a good gas engine swapped at that price.
Depends on the car
If you can wrench yourself or have a hookup with mechanics, sure but if you have no idea and say it’s a Range Rover 😂
@@ryanpetree6475 What service lol. Replacing interior filter? Replacing Tires? Checking your brake fluid. Replacing wipers and wiper fluid. That's it.
Bullish or bearish, AI stocks will still dominate 2024, even beyond. Why I prefer NVIDIA is that they are better placed to maintain long-term growth potential, and provide a platform for other AI companies. I know someone who has made more than 200% from NVIDIA. I'll also take these other recommendations you made.
I agree, just because the market presents opportunities doesn't mean we should rush in headfirst. For this reason, we should look for appropriate market analysis or guidance or seek advice from certified market strategists.
@@AllsopsBrowns No doubt, having the right plan is invaluable, my portfolio is well-matched for every season of the market and recently hit a 100% rise from early last year. I and my CFP are working on a 7 figure ballpark goal, tho this could take till Q3 2024.
@@DavidsDefelices Can you share details of your advisor? I want to invest my increased cash flow in stocks and alternative assets to achieve financial goals.
@@ThomasesLaceys I've shuffled through investment coaches; they can positively impact an individual's portfolio. But do your due diligence to find a coach with grit that withstood the 2008 crash. MARGARET MOLLI ALVEY was better and smarter than all the advisors I have ever worked with. I’ve never met anyone with as much conviction.
@@DavidsDefelices I appreciate this. After curiously searching her name online and reviewing her credentials, I'm quite impressed. I've contacted her as I could use all the help I can get.
I got a 2023 model 3 for $20k. I got it from hertz when they did the mass selling of them
A second hand Tesla model 3 / Y is very good for your wallet. Even a new one is good for your Total Cost of Ownership. A second hand certainly. I bought one for 40K though and yes its depreciating fast. I rather could have waited a year and bought one but... i just keep it and drive it to the ground. THen its still the cheapest car i ever owned.
@@HermanWillems yea can’t beat a $20k electric car with full self driving.
@@Y33HawGamer Oh damn you even got full self driving option on it? Its worth nothing here in Europe though but could be. :) great
I'm seriously considering getting one from Hertz. The one I'm looking at is a 2023 model 3 base version with 85k miles for $18,833. Is it worth it? How's your car going so far?
Good deal. Hopefully you get the battery replaced under warranty. $25k or under to replace them.
My 2024 model 3 performance is so fun day to day where it matters and love that it doesn't attract unwanted attention unlike my c8 where I have to keep my head on a swivel.
“Boo hoo my corvette attracts attention😢”….. first world problems
@@Inferno45 Yup it's nice to have them. Too bad you will never know!
@@michaellee7841 keep d-riding and see where that gets ya 😂
@@Inferno45 Sorry your life sucks so much. Maybe, just maybe in next life…
The m3p is a great car
Tesla is definitely making waves, and with the market already seeing positive movement, there's a lot of potential right now. I’ve got $80K to invest but honestly, markets can be confusing for me. With Trump winning and Elon Musk’s influence boosting momentum, I’m wondering if there are other ways to capitalize on this opportunity beyond just buying stocks. Thoughts?
I suggest you focus on two key objectives. Learn when to sell stocks to minimize losses and maximize gains to start protecting yourself. Second, prepare to make money when the market turns around. I advise speaking with a broker or financial counselor.
Agreed. My portfolio is well-matched for every market season yielding 85% from early last year to date. I and my CFP are working on a 7 figure ballpark goal, tho this could take another year. In my opinion, financial advisors are the most sought-after professionals after doctors.
Please who is the consultant that assist you with your investment and if you don't mind, how do I get in touch if you don't mind.
I’m hesitant to make recommendations like this online so I can't drop her contact here, but you could look her up yourself and contact her if you wish. Her name is Celia Kathleen Martel.
Thank you for this. I'll send her an email, and I hope I'm able to make something out of it.
As an owner of an Ariel Atom and numerous motorcycles I think I’m fairly familiar with the enjoyment of owning exciting ICE vehicles. Equally, my daily driver is a Model 3, which is equally exciting in some ways. The fundamental difference is that the ICE vehicles I own are strictly for track use, as that is the most appropriate place for driving/riding them in the manner for which they were designed. For responsible daily driving the Tesla can’t be beaten. For track use, not so much.
Manually switching gears, rev match, blip, e-brake, loud revs are all amazing inputs that is totally fun. But you can also appreciate EVs, 1.) no exhaust fumes 2.) flooring it off a redlight without any sound warnings to nearby cars 3.) cheap as hell with home charger 4.) amazing user experience in software and keyless. 5.) switching in and out of FSD because you know the software so well, you know when to take over. Teslas are just the best daily / city cars currently. Get a track car for the track, and a hybrid SUV for long distance trips.
@@tldrinfographics5769 I love fast ICE cars, i had sport cars myself as well in the past. I think this is it. EV's outperform regular daily drive cars so much. I don't understand why would you ever buy a combustion engine car for your daily driving. It's just dumb, but yeah V6 V8 i still love and i think also that ICE belongs on the track.
Our new society of tribalism the news media created its getting old, isn't it? I also own both, and one doesn't have anything to do with the other, although they serve common purposes. I don't throw out my flat head screw driver because I needed a Philips that day.
Model 3 owner here too, but I have to ask: Which iteration of the Ariel Atom do you have? Even the early ones were amazing, but they just got better and better! It's probably one of my favorite cars.
@@Techridr a Series 2 (2006). The first series with the Honda VTech motor
I am a mechanic waiting to find a tesla with a bad battery that I can fix up for cheap. I guess that is not realistic since they rarely go bad. Luckily I might not have to do that at these prices. I love driving the evs since they are like go carts and cost way less as a daily driver over my f-350. Also we must keep diesels alive as they are my biggest money maker! When a diesel truck come into the shop the customers bill can easily be over 10k!
you should pivot your shop to evs asap. EVs will continue taking market share since their performance/price will keep improving.
@@geofflterrible advice
1:40 Did anyone else catch how little sense this made? If new EVs in particular are becoming less desirable, the used EV market should have a lower supply, which would *increase* prices, not lower them.
yeah I thought that too
Prices will increase if the demand for used EVs is there. I bought a 200k mile f150, I wouldn't buy a 200k mile tesla anything unless it was dirt cheap.
No one wants to talk about the Elephant in the room. The never ending story called it the nothing. Chaos is resonating in humanity again. This one is going to be rough. Our grandchildren have a good chance of living in another dark age. Failing car prices, foreclosed houses, ramped mental disease, and enough cynicism to fill an ocean is nothing compared to the potential.
I think it’s somewhat different than how you’ve framed it. The new and used markets are different markets with different consumers (often, not always) with different decision making chains. So a prospective consumer who would otherwise buy a new car isn’t looking at the purchase decision as new or used. Just as a used car buyer isn’t a new car buyer. (Maybe because of unaffordability, but just as plausible is they simply don’t care to put that much capital into a depreciating asset. Like if your fridge died and you needed to get a new one, if you’re the average consumer, do you go out and get the best one, or the one at the top of your budget, or the one that will do the job and meet your aesthetic?
Aside from incentives changing, there are multiple other potential factors. EVs are an emerging tech where the product life cycle isn’t fully known or analogous to an ICE car. You can look at an ICE car and have a better understanding of what it will take to keep it on the road for a long period of time. There’s plenty of shops and parts stores to keep them on the road. There are fewer EV techs. Charging infrastructure isn’t great yet. And how economical are they to keep on the road for 10, 20, 30 years? The prospect of having to replace a battery pack is a serious consideration. And modern cars having so much tech as UI is cool now, but using old tech isn’t. In fact it’s painful. Further, things like battery chemistry are likely to be completely different within five years, and that could render all current EVs obsolete and worthless.
The other factor is that residuals for your average EV right now are terrible. Buying one, you stand to lose more money. Not many people want to stand in that line.
With Teslas specifically, the points of detraction are they are on average more expensive to insure and more expensive and take longer to repair if they aren’t totalled because of how they designed. (Having to replace a gigacasting frame and a battery pack because of minor damage is a design that doesn’t fully understand the full life cycle of a car.
With EVs being emerging tech, they conform to the innovation adoption curve. Adoption happens in phases. It’s still the early adoption phase, and that market might be saturated.
EVs don’t always make economic sense. If you drive a lot of miles every year, the savings can add up. But if you have a reliable ICE car it might not. For two cars for the last two years for me, fuel and maintenance has been maybe $2k. An EV would only save hundreds but cost more in depreciation. With a higher capital cost.
My advice to friends and family is to buy the nicest Lexus with reasonable mileage for $10k you can find, and as long as you keep up with the maintenance you should have many years of relatively cheap and trouble free motoring.
It takes awhile for that effect. Ev were a high demand before so the market is filled with them now
I felt like a teenage boy again when I was walking around this CyberTruck in a Home Depot parking lot a couple of weeks ago. (FYI: I was a boy when Reagan was still the president) After a while, the owner came out and saw what I was doing. He was obviously used to people taking pictures of his awesome truck! I was kind of amused because he turned out to be 81 years old. After chatting with him for a couple of minutes, he asked me if I wanted to take a ride in it. My first thought was "do I go upstairs if Heidi Klum invites me upstairs at 11pm for coffee?" Of course I said YES! We drove around for a few minutes and it was an amazing experience. I was equally shocked when I found out that he paid over $100,000 for it. I wasn't really keeping up with CyberTruck news. I knew it wasn't cheap, but I thought it was more reasonable like $70k or even $80k. I couldn't help but wonder... if I do want to buy a $100k+ truck, do I really want the CyberTruck? While it's fun, I probably won't ever buy one.
In 5 years a two or three year old RWD cyber truck will be 30k, a AWD will be 35k. Wait until the market has plenty of used teslas and like we see today with the 3s and S models deals will be there for the taking.
I recently bought a model 3 and asked about the cyber truck prices. The employees were saying this is like a limited edition version and that next year they plan to release a more reasonably priced one around 50-60
I got a Tesla Model 3 Long Range (0-60 in 3.8 seconds) for 20k GBP (so 25k USD) with only 48k miles on the clock - I had some new tyres put on it (as the garage I got it from put the wrong tyres on, so I went to Tesla, and the garage paid for it) they looked under my car as they initially couldn’t work out why it was misaligned - they said “Your car is in VERY good condition for being 4 years old” (as it’s a 2020 model 3) so it also looks like the guy who had it before me looked after it very well, the only thing I’ve seen is swirl marks on the paintwork from washing the car (which usually happens to all cars) and I absolutely love it, going from a Golf R to a Tesla Model 3, I don’t miss the engine at all.
I genuinely think most of the hate comes from with EV’s is that people who drive normal cars are scared to take the plunge or just can’t afford to get the car + charger installed at their homes (I’m talking about average every day people who drive 1.2L - 2L cars with 0-60 times of 10-18 seconds who think they can mock a Tesla and tell you to ‘get an engine’ or ‘get a real car’ when in fact they don’t drive ‘real cars’ themselves)
Legit I pulled into a car park to go to the shop and there was a group of boy racers in 1L Corsas, Polos, Fiestas, etc and they all started revving their 60-70bhp engines at me as if they were proving some sort of point… there was no point to prove, their cars can’t go quick on their best day - they act like they drive Lamborghinis or Ferraris, mocking the Tesla’s that absolutely smoke their little embarrassing shit boxes. Personally I think that comes down to jealousy.
Most people will never own a car that does 0-60 in sub 4 seconds, they’d rather the millionaires keep that privilege in their sports cars while they drive sad, sluggish NA petrols and little turbo diesels and laugh at people who actually have cars capable of racing / keeping up with the wealthy.
i just bought a 2008 ford focus for 2000usd, nobody needs a better car than that. it takes me anywhere , there is ac and electric windows. perfect.
the prices for used teslas are low cause there is still a 4k used ev tax credit for american built ev’s sold for under 25k at dealerships. pretty much all dealers list the cars online at the price “with 4k rebate included” that’s not the actual price they’re selling for retail. but if the car and you qualify there’s insane deals to be made. i bought a ‘19 model 3 dual motor long range as a secondary work car for about 15,9 after 4k incentive.
Used telsa have low demand. If a car is popular and in demand it depreciates less. People/car dealers are dropping price cus no one wants them. Thats why your telsa is under $20k. Thats 50% depreciation in 5 years. Most cars are not losing 50% in value in 5yrs.
SO TRUE.
The rare cheat code for a win in consumers VS THE man.
Only qualify for credit if you make 75k or under.
That’s right, a lot of dealers scamming people with EV rebate, because not everyone qualifies.
My favorite car moment was putting a massive (at the time) T72 turbo on my 1st gen talon AWD and ripping thru the gears with the windows down listening to that baby sing. Nothing beats the sound of a turbo spooling just before the bov hit back in those days.
Shout out to John Shepard
I have owned a bunch of normal people sports cars. The fastest being corvettes and a 1st gen Viper. I loved the 94 and 95 corvettes the most because they were good HP, handled really well, rode good enough to take on a 6+ hour trip, and quiet enough to rip it off the line but not sound like it. I love music when I drive, it sounds so much better in any car that doesn't make a bunch of engine noises. Musk cutting prices on new cars is also driving down the value of used ones. I bought a used car in January and would have gotten an EV but they cost too much for me.
The best car I've ever driven is my Tesla Model 3. It's incredibly quiet, with exceptional power for an everyday vehicle, and its simplicity is one of its greatest strengths. After 250,000 km, the battery is still performing amazingly well-it's truly a dream car. I can’t stand noisy cars or supercars; they feel inefficient beyond belief. I love EVs for their affordability in terms of running costs and the lack of maintenance they require. It’s a game-changer.
You lost me at noisy cars feel "inefficient beyond belief." If a toaster on wheels is your dream car, I just feel sorry for you at that point.
It’s not incredibly quiet. You get lot of Road noise, not enough boot space but i like the way it drives and it looks beautiful among all the Tesla
You're in an area where charging is never an issue. Tavares made a good point that people get anxiety about needing to find places to charge. It's not as easy as finding a gas station even in the best city with the most charging ports. If you can always charge at home that's a different story.
@@davidmarvy6788 time will take care of this. Exponential growth.
Only the best car you’ve driven because you haven’t drove a higher end Tesla…
My wife drives a Tesla model 3. We use it as a grocery getter - it’s not a real car. We just pile-on mileage and that’s what it was made for. 95,000 miles and we’ve never even changed the brakes! No fluids. No nothing. Just tires , washer fluid and that’s it. I drive a full size bronco. The issue with ev’s is they could last a lot longer that we think …. I think a model 3 for $20-25k is a smokin deal (for a grocery getter)
How does what you described not count as a real car?
I love my Teslas , on my second one now a model Y , perfect commuter vehicle
Plaid is an even deeper love. Do it lol
Car enthusiasts that care about track days and whatnot do NOT dictate the market. The reasons there are so many used Tesla's is because there have been a lot of aggressive incentives like $7500 tax breaks and sometimes .99% or 1.99% interest, it becomes very compelling to switch before you need to. Next is a lot of Lease returns as two and 3 year leases expire. Also fleets unloading cars as they do, and a biggie is the huge price reductions on Tesla's in 2023 ($13k for model Y) means a lot of people locked in a payment can move into a new Tesla and have lower monthly payment. These factors play a part in the market, not the buying habits of your idea of car enthusiasts. The general public do not buy cars for the reasons you do. There is a great quote from Anais Nin: "We Don’t See Things As They Are, We See Them As We Are"
Exactly, the “enthusiast” market is niche and does not dictate anything
Actually the question was "why do car enthusiasts despise EVs?" And the answer Tavarish provided was spot on. I can attest to that as an enthusiast. Nobody said that enthusiasts dictate the market for EVs. Only time we dictate the market is with niche rides aimed squarely at us. Rest of the time, the automotive sheep rule the landscape because they're the majority buyers of appliances that make bulk of the market whether EV or ICE.
It used to when cars had to be available for anyone to buy to be able to be on the track in professional racing. It’s why the 70’s cars are classics
I know three people who drive Teslas and they love them. They literally have nothing bad to say about the cars. I’m seriously considering buying a model 3 as a daily driver.
Used Tesla prices are crashing due to fear about the battery degradation. If you need to replace one it's 20k+.
More like $ 30,000 by the time you include All miscellaneous parts and the ridiculous install fees. A person must be Crazy to by a used Tesla
You are absolutely right. That’s why I only leased my Teslas. After a certain amount of time the battery will cost you. And it’s hard to get the value you want from it if you own it for about 7 years and try to sale it.
They're throw away cars
More like 8-9k for a used new battery then you have a all new car…
Car updates to give newest features and with a battery replacement it’s a new car
@@surplusbargainswhere?
I'm on my second Tesla Model 3, I had a beautiful black Audi A5 for years before, loved it and I was always getting compliments. The Tesla craps on it in pretty much every way. It's amazing looking, everytime I walk up to it the Tesla stands out in every parking lot. I pinch myself I have it not to mention the looks I'd be getting. Some hateful granted but often people come up and say beautiful car. It has pretty much a computer
inside with fantastic surround
sound that drives the car. Then.... I put the foot down and the buzz as it throws me down the road, if people are in it they all go omg, it's the best driving experience I've had by miles. Enhanced autopilot parks it, summons it, changes lane. I can't wait to get FSD when it's allowed in Ireland. As for it's no skill involved, going around a corner in a car with that acceleration is a whole other level of skill needed than any other car I've driven. It elevates your driving because you need fantastic control to keep it steady with just straight-line acceleration. I don't drive fast everywhere but when I am outside the city and I know its safe I have my fun whilst significantly improving my driving. It never fails to make me smile and give me that brilliant feeling. Charger at home so the most it's ever cost me to run has 40 a month and I've driven 25/30k km in 15 months of owning Teslas. I've saved thousands, I wouldn't dream of ever going back to ICE, I have my dream car from when I was 6 years old wanting to grow up fast so I could have my first car. I thought the A5 was my dream car, not even close. Sorry for my rant but saying there's no skill involved is crazy talk!
I just purchased a 2021 model S long range refresh a few weeks ago for 52,900 with 30,400 miles. It was a leased car from Tesla used car facility. Immaculate condition!😊 I saved 40 thousand bucks! My 2021 MYP i over paid when it was purchased new at 62,990 then Elon dropped the price by 8 thousand dollars the next few months 😮. I will just stay with used Tesla’s because of the cheaper prices.
I'm a car enthusiast that daily drives Tesla S PLAID and freaking love it! I also own a Zl1 1le manual for the weekends.
Best of both worlds for my needs
A lot of people are finding out that it's only worth if you own a home with a driveway
I always hear common comments on Teslas. They don’t make sound, and the batteries are expensive when they fail. I come from a major hot rod back ground. I have owned supercharged bad boys with big cams etc. I will admit when I bought my Tesla performance it took time to get use to the quiet. Now I like hearing my stereo as I smoke gas bad boys so bad it looks like their motor died. As far as the batteries concerned, has anyone priced an engine replacement on a newer car lately? I am a Factory certified Master Technician with over 40 years in the trade. Believe me Teslas are great cars and very reliable. I own two of them and have not had to work on my own car in years because they are just that good. If I want to hear sound of a car I just let a hellcat go out front a half a car length to hear the car sound then I put ten car lengths on him right when he thought he was going to win. Believe me that never gets old. As always it’s your money and life is short, so buy what makes you happy always. Enjoy your ride my brothers, life is much shorter than we realize.
Mark my words. The same thing that happened to mechanical ⚙️ watches when quartz watches came out will also happen to internal combustion cars: internal combustion cars will still exists but become much less common as luxury items for the connoisseurs
Great example! I remember when Casio had that tuning fork watch that NASA ended up using. Thing is still expensive, but in a collector way. Ended up being obsolete from a 50 cent crystal a few years later.
The Rich people will drive gas and the poor people will drive Electric cars
Yes, but how many years. You still need a shit load of infrastructure. The prices need to come down and a few other things. This will take at least 10 years. If you're 60, how old will you be when that happens?
@@leos300310 years is a blink think bigger
Because the same features the ev has, the gas cars are getting
You cant even ref them due to limiters. You dont even need to start them anymore. Just foot on gas and go with stop start systems. So the only real difference is the fuel. And charging is just too annoying. I wish i could put gas in my phones 😂
You can get a used 22 Model 3 performance with 50k miles for the same price as a used 22 Elantra N with 30k miles. Pretty insane.
A big reason is because of the EV battery life. Most people use Tesla superchargers which when used all the time will deplete the life of the battery considerably.
I don't see the point of buying Tesla if your only option is doing majority of charging at superchargers.
That's a lie. The supercharges are the ones that are least likely to mess up your battery because that's what they were designed for.
@ exactly
Some use the supercharger because it's free. There are thise with free 3 year or lifetine supercharging. Lucky them.
Driving an EV is a different type of fun. It's an experience of its own. Its fast af, smooth, quiet, extremely responsive, futuristic, etc.
Tesla sells expensive at first because they use the money to ramp up production and R&D to keep improving the car. They make the most of any car in the industry off every single car so they can play with the price. The car is essentially like an iPhone that can be upgraded so even the older Tesla are like new cars on the software side. They slowly start dropping the price once it reaches mass production. Tesla Model Y is the best selling car on Earth and the Cybertruck is already the best selling EV pickup truck so saying the market is dying is not true. Especially with China ramping up and US adding tariffs to stop the flow of EV into the US from China. Tesla has primarily built the entire infrastructure for EV since they were the ones to make EV viable. Selling old Tesla cheap helps Tesla develop the data to build The Robotaxi network. Basically at this point they’re printing money regardless of how much they sell Tesla cars for
Theyre cheap because of warrantys expiring.
Tesla owners buy them because they've never used a screwdriver in their entire life, a flat tire is an all day event.
I love my teslas, i run 4 of them with offgrid solar
I love my teslas, I run 5 of them with off grid solar
@@FatTracksMusic nice!!!
I like that EVs have commoditized easy skill level, reduced NVH, quick acceleration etc. When I want to do short trips / BS errands - I hop in my EV and don’t have to worry about long term engine wear.
However, when I want to sizzle my fizzle and spice the mechanical appreciation side of my brain, I whip out my enthusiast ice vehicle of choice.
@@_IMNNO a new engine can be installed for a couple thousand........
A new Tesla battery installed costs more than a new Camry
@@tmzz3609 Welp not my engine - but for the mass majority yes. That’s why I did not mention the long term running costs as one of the EV benefits.
I’ve driven/rented quite a few electric cars including most of the Tesla’s. Agree with the car enthusiast visceral perspective and that’s where the Hyundai Ionic 5N makes things more complicated. Drove one recently and the car does really good job of creating an enthusiasts experience with electronics. It was fun, fast, satisfying…but for $70k?
“These cars are like, bulletproof from my perspective”
Graham should do more research on Tesla quality control.
Initial quality issues are common, but if you inspect your car when you get it and have them fix any issues, they're incredibly solid afterwards.
The tech and ownership is amazing, but the initial "god i hope i get a good build" is not.
I love my Tesla Model S. I just hit 190,000 miles on the original battery still running strong. Don’t let the haters persuade you most of the people that don’t like EVs have never even owned one.
Or driven one.
Wow, 190k? That's awesome. What year? Did you get it new? I have never bought an EV, but I'm afraid that it'll turn to a melon after 100k.
@ I just hit 194,000 yesterday. Original battery 2013 P85. There are some incredible deals out there for example you can get a 2017 P100D that does 0 to 60 and 2.5 seconds for about $28,000 right now. But honestly, even the regular cars are quick enough. My next car is gonna be a model Y you could pick those up for about 20K now.
@@BryceLovesTech Or wait a few more years when there worthles
Screw the loud engine noise. Im too old for that. I appreciate the quietness in an EV car
Same, I used to like this kind of stuff in my 20s, but as I got older I started to appreciate comfort more
Same. Love my EV
I bought a Tesla Model S 100D (2019) for 32k euros with 80k miles on it. It drives great, has lots of space, and requires low maintenance. I also have a charger in my garage with solar panels. I have nothing to complain about. I must say the infrastructure of the Netherlands is great for EVs; you can find chargers at almost every gas station and along the streets.
The reason why Tesla’s are going down in price is because Tesla keeps coming out with better and cheaper cars under the same name. The model S use to cost 120k-130k because it was so expensive to produce but now they can make the same model S but better (more range, features) for 80-85k. So in the used market you’ll see that 125k car lose 40-50k of value just based off that. Then add in dep from use and the used EV credit and you’ll get those big drop offs you see. However if you buy a new one now the depreciation curve should be more “normal” for a Tesla compared to other cars since they have scaled up. You’ll always see big drop offs but should get better and better. I’m buying a used Tesla for myself and then another for my mom. We are looking at 2-3 year old vehicle under 50k miles and leveraging the tax credit. Doing so I can get her into a model Y or 3 at the same cost basis as some other used ICE SUV that’s 9-10k cheaper and the Tesla will be over, quicker, more features and look far better.
underrated comment. where are you finding a model Y under $25k?
Its demand. Theres no demand for used telsas. So sellers have to keep dropping price. No difference from any car in the market. 2018 model 3 can be found for $15k. 6yr old car and lost over 50% of its value.
What's the best place to buy used Tesla? Thanks @@anekinoo7
@@SeanMcDonnell33 The cheapest ones are always in Cali, Florida and east coast. You can get them for around 50k miles if you are willing to travel to them and don't mind it being in a prior minor accident (so had paint damage/dents but they should be repaired if the dealership is honest). Otherwise without the accident and lower than 50k miles it'll be 28-31k from what I'm seeing unless you get a really aggressive dealer that comes down during negotiation.
I got my first ev. I like how it glides on the road and darts around. I feel a lot of power on the road. I’m way more assertive and confident than I was with my gas car. I have a turbo gas powered car which I feel confident and in other words more comfortable being aggressive when I need to be. But with the EV the acceleration is incredible and the precision to make decisions in a split second gives me a sense of superiority over other vehicles on the road (which makes me laugh at the huge pickup truck drivers that try to assert their dominance). I am by no means that kind of person but I do understand the power that I have with my ev. It takes more responsibility to drive something with more power. And I don’t see that responsibility with many pickup truck drivers, that’s why I wanted to put that out there. Yeah, so if I want to squeeze into a spot I don’t have to think twice. It just goes there. No lag from the peddle to the engine or to a turbo. It just darts to that spot that I am looking at. It’s incredibly satisfying. So when I think about that raw animal taming feeling I just hop on a motorcycle. You don’t get that kind of feeling from a regular turbo gas car unless it’s maybe a sports car or muscle car. For me, I am bored of gas cars and motorcycles are the only thing that fulfills that excitement and adventure that I am looking for on the road. EVs have kind of rekindled my joy of driving as well by introducing a new kind of driving experience.
0:12 80,000-90,000 miles is indeed nothing for a tesla there are facebook groups for high-mileage teslas they last easily 6x that mileage ❤
Easily 😂😂😂
Yeah even crazy Elon says 300k but I’ve seen more.
Glad it's not high mileage that's bringing the price down 😅
@@De_Wukong 90K Miles is just A FRACTION of the battery lifespan a well built well designed BEV. Model 3, Model S, Kona EV have all been recorded to do 200,000 kilometers with very little issues with the battery. But Model S is known to have Dirty Motor Internals and Suspension problems at those ages. Soo yeah Easily is mostly accurate.
When I saw the Starbucks barista walk out to her Tesla I was like ok that’s the new civic in Cali
The car enthusiasts he described are a tiny percentage of regular people.
As a car enthusiast, I'm convinced that Evie's electric motors offer a driving experience that's just as satisfying, if not better, than traditional gas engines, especially when you factor in the incredible silence.
It IS great to floor the juice pedal in a Tesla and NOT have every cop within three blocks know that you did that! "Quiet fast" is the new cool for some people.
Another reason I feel like they are so cheap is because Tesla themselves lower the prices of their cars like every other week. Plus most people who buy teslas want the latest and greatest tech and tech moves fast so when the car is 5+ years old they want a new one and there is just an excess of used ones
I thought the tech on the 2018s are not much different than the 2024s since they are able to upgrade.
Tongue in cheek: Agreed. Way back in the day one could feel the rush of the horse fighting the reins or squealing as you asked for more speed or the taste of dust on the tongue or the smell of the horse..... Oh, how times are a changing.
High performance EV's are like Mary Due characters; super powerful, easy, lack of character, and no hard work involved. It ends up being uninteresting despite literally outperforming gasoline vehicles. It's a huge drawback when for enthusiasts who aren't purely chasing higher specs just for the sake of it.
Weird, Tesla is the first car that I’ve ever had that I just get in to go drive because it’s such a pleasant experience. To each his own, I guess.
nobody thinks you're cool or special because you choose to manually shift gears. Bragging that it's harder to drive a manual is boomer cope. It's harder to carve a turkey without an electric knife, but nobody's impressed that you did it without one
@@Jortdf534ha! Awesome comment but I am kinda impressed if someone does a neat turkey cut with a dull knife. It takes skill!😅 plus tastes better
@@Jortdf534lol DEAD ON. Boomer cope. lol I love it. It’s like computer nerds who want to look cool because they can do everything with the command line when everyone else can do the same exact thing with 2 clicks on an icon
Bingo on the ev driving experience - it’s just a conveyance appliance. No technical, mechanical, or physical skill required. If you’re a “car guy” the experience is likely more than half the fun. I drive an R8 as a daily driver and it’s great. I also have a ‘72 MGB GT. The MG is more fun when trying to drive it quickly because it has meager power, skinny tires, and just decent brakes, but you feel everything and you have to scan the dash gauges since there are no idiot lights. Now don’t get me wrong, I love the R8, it is rock solid, and you feel like you can do anything in it. But the MG with its fun per dollar ratio is hard to beat.
If you buy a Tesla out of warranty be prepared to spend money, a lot of money. People say they don’t break, that’s a bold faced lie. They are expensive, let me explain after owning for 5 years.
Struts replacement 7,600usd
All door handles broke, fixed them 2 broke again 1.5 years later $300 each
Trunk replacement $250 repair broke 1.5 years latee
Engine broke quoted. $9400usd after $850 diagnosis.
Headlights balast $1700 , both went out
Windshield crack $1200
Man, that is the first time I’ve heard the motors breaking.
You have a Model S, right? I'd bet as the door handles breaking is a common S problem. The Model 3s are much better.
We can drive a daily driver car now, that has the acceleration, that beats a Ferrari F40 or Porsche 959, which I had posters of on my wall in the 80s, for less than a 1/4 of the price those cars were 35+ yrs ago. On top of that, you don't get 12mpg, with premium fuel only lol. I mean come on, people are complaining?
teslas are great dailys
Until it snows.
@@JohnDoe-lw2nm AWD is a choice
@@JohnDoe-lw2nm I got an RWD model 3, it performs better than other RWD cars i had in the snow because of the extreme good traction control. Which is impossible with ICE motor because an electric motor has fine grained torque control. An electric motor is ALWAYS better in snow than ICE.
Got a 2020 model 3 40k miles from Subaru for 20k. Great car
The Tesla Roadster is a Lotus Elise. Lol
Electronics depreciate stupidly fast. Imagine all the people that died on a Black Friday sale trying to get their hands on a 30 dollar DVD Player. Now people in their 20s never had a DVD.
When the battery dies in a Tesla it’s 35k to replace it with labor. That’s why older higher mileage electric cars are worth way less, in my opinion.
Just picked up a 2012 FJ Cruiser with 178k miles for 11k. A steal in my opinion.
Found a Model 3 PerforFound a Model 3 Performance 2019 with 75000km for about 22,500USD.
From Tesla Certified Pre Owned. For some reason it has:
Limited Vehicle Warranty
October 2027 / 100,000 total kilometers
Limited Used Vehicle Warranty
Additional 1 year / 20,000 total kilometers
Limited Battery and Powertrain Warranty
October 2030 / 192,000 total kilometers
Seems like a good deal?
Nah
@@WoWiWe-z2p could you explain further?
So you get a 5 year old performance model 3 with only 75k for 22,5 yet the battery is covered for 6 more years ? Sign me up after explaining what limited means
@@iamchaunceman "limited" means the usual stuff + for EV batteries it means that normal degradation is not covered by warranty. You don't get a new one if your Tesla has lost 8% range after 8 years. You get a new one if it has lost 30% or more. (ain't gonna happen)
The extra long warranty is probably a glitch but it wouldn't be the first time that people can take advantage of such a mistake 😄
I live in Norway. The used car market is flooded with low km EV's that are not selling. Petrol and diesel cars are going up in value.
Dude you can get a 2 year old Tesla for 20k everywhere now
Or I can get an internal combustion classic that runs great and you can mod for less than that.
The main reason is that the prices of new ones are now getting so low - down to $35k - and in some states you can get as much as $12-15k in tax rebates. For those people it doesnt make sense to buy used.
Tavarish looks like he's losing some weight, good on him!
Yeah, and i love it. I got a 2022 M3 LR for under 10k. I got it at 75k miles and just got to 90. The body had some damage, which is why it was so cheap, but I manaed to fix it up with bondo and paint correction. It's still noticeable but definently more than enough for a daily driver.
Very happy with my purchase and will probably drive it until it falls apart.
Though, used Model S Plaids under 50k miles are around 50k... Might trade it in in the future.
Very bad fit-to-finish
Just watched this video after changing the oil in my 2010 Santa Fe that creaks in the winter time and is worth maybe $2k 😂
It's a disposable car because of the cost of battery replacement.
ICE cars are disposable because of all the mechanical issues that can go wrong with having an engine that's made for a million tiny pieces.
@AnonN-sr6uu Correct, my 1999 Honda Accord is also disposable, still kicking after 300k+ miles with original engine and transmission.
@@AnonN-sr6uua classic chevy blazer just sold for 260k +
@@YD-pl5rnTesla can last 300k+ miles too?
@@YD-pl5rn "300k+ miles" I thought you were going to use some silly impressive number. BEVs do 300K miles also with not much fixes. It'll do way more miles if you spend a few thousand dollars on fixes. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
The cost of a new battery is just too much, and the general public is slowly realizing that a used hybrid and EV is just not worth it, until the cost of a new battery goes down.
Teslas are just that, .... cheap, cheaply built, low quality components. They're showing up at Used Car lots across the U.S.. Very hard to sell a Used EV
The best thing about falling values of EVs is that naturally a very good percentage of owners will keep them until the wheels fall off. Which is the best financial decision you can make for any vehicle, but most people don’t for emotional reasons. And for most EVs that means hundreds of thousands of miles and 12+ years of issue free driving. By that time all car loans are long paid off and you are enjoying the cheapest possible transportation for 7+ years without feeding the banks
Enthusiast car would be #3 in the garage that typically only gets driven on weekends or infrequently because you don't want to get it dirty or pile on mileage.
Telsa on the other hand is the #1 car in garage that gets driven 95+% of the time because of the low cost of ownership, reliability and great tech.
With that said, older pre-2020 telsas are still great, reliable, and typically still under warranty, but the tech updates are infrequent and you can tell it's getting left behind. Like an android phone 4 versions back.
As long as gas prices continue to go up, EVs will be around. For me it’s a very practical and pragmatic experience. I’m not a car enthusiast so I’m not concerned about how a vehicle sounds. I imagine people spending $30k USD on a Tesla fall within this category
The other factor are the rebates. Most of these cars had 7- 15 k knocked off the price originally due to federal, state and. Municipal rebates. These will eventually be reflected in resale values. Elon/Tesla have always said they wanted these EV rebates to stop. Tesla doesn’t need them to move vehicles. Other OEMs do.
This felt like listening to the livery stable owner in the early 1900s telling you how the car takes no skill, but a horse takes skill, and you can hear the sounds of the horse, and you're outdoors and one with the horse, its visceral. He's probably right, but doesn't matter, EVs are going to take over during the next 10 or so years. Look what's happening in China as we speak, they are already above 50% now.
new EV demand is slowing all over the world including China.
Nice try. Still not buying an ev
@@galeng2569 You can buy whatever you desire. I live in Texas and plenty of people still ride horses. But make no mistake, EVs are going to dominate in the coming years, it’s just inevitable
@@johnchristopher7697 I agree it is inevitable that most cars on the road will be EVs in the future. That is the next automotive step. Not at the rate your talking about tho....10yrs? Hardly. This is a generational thing. We are atleast 2-3 generations away from EVs being kings on the road.
The rear earth minerals will deplete long before we consume fossil fuels and natural gas--how do you figure EVs will take over? Besides that, ICE vehicles can run on a multitude of fuels, not simply petrol. The EV hype is a cash-grabbing fad.
The problem is, it will still be a bad deal for you as the car will keep loosing value while you own it.
Only exception is, when it is soooo cheap that the total amount isn't that large anymore and there's still enough life in it to justify that purchase.
Fords are like that in Germany.
Other than that I'd always suggest going with cars that hold their value well.
Yes I know you'll spend a lot of money on an old and used car but guess what, you'll recoup that when selling it and then the total cost of ownership will be still low.
Bro said he had fun in the Tesla roadster. Bro that's literally just an electric lotus Elise 😂😂😂
Love how they’re just ignoring the fact that almost every Tesla under 20k is a re built title which means it can’t super charger at a fast rate because Tesla blacklists them due to safety concerns.
That's not true and you can't prove that it is.
Teslas are plummeting because nobody wants to take the gamble on a $30k battery.
It’s kind of a myth tbh. You can replace individual cells for a fraction of that, which makes it comparable to average ICE car bills. Furthermore, most of these batteries don’t need replacing anytime soon. Especially based on how long your typical buyer typically owns a car for.
@@ThrottleBodyWho exactly is doing the replacing of individual cell series in a totally potted tesla pack!? Are you sure about what your saying? Besides there is so much energy potential the battery pack is a high energy firebomb.
@@ThrottleBodyonce one cell dies the rest will go very soon. This is bad advice. Replacing the single cell is only a temporary solution.
@@iKenFlyPPG there are companies out there that do it. This information is easily retrievable online. Car channel autotrader in the UK did a test on a 490k miles Tesla model s where they do into more detail about this and other myths. Give it a watch.
@@TheSpeedstur I guess you aren’t an engineer. The research and information is out there.
An Englishman had a Porsche Cayan EV which he paid 120,000 pounds for 3 years later he too it Carmax and was offered 25,000 pounds for it, Porsche dealer even refused it as a trade in, as their lot was full of unsold newer EV Taycans
I'm a car guy,ex 500hp Porsche owner and now a Tesla mega fan.
Can't beat their value and performance.
Then you're not a car guy
@@Knobslobber11Because he has respect for all types of power? You can’t just call someone a non car enthusiast if they like teslas😂
@@Knobslobber11 Both Petrolheads and Electricheads are car guys.
Porsche turbo for the weekends, tesla for the work commute!
@@Knobslobber11 Is Jay Leno and the guys at Top Gear no longer Car Guys since they embrace and drives Teslas?
As an Electrical Engineer, former car/motorcycle mechanic…. Teslas are not bulletproof…. Most devices/systems that are purely electronic are not known for their longevity.
Who wants to buy a used battery.
I appreciate these guys not just crapping on Tesla like everyone else. It’s real talk. I agree with them. The Tesla is a great overall daily driver, isn’t anything better. If you take what Elon did back in 2012 with the model s, it was the impossible. We’re all just used to it these days. Go find yourself a weekend car with gas and gears. Best of both worlds.
Teslas are the ultimate impulse sales toys. Yes, they’re fast and fun which gets them off the “showroom” floor. Then, when something goes wrong, reality hits. What do you mean it’ll take 9 months for repair parts? What do you mean my insurance won’t cover a rental car for more than 60 days? What do you mean my car is literally worthless because my kid ran over something and punctured the battery pack? Why didn’t somebody tell me no one within 60 miles of a major city will work on them? Why won’t my cell phone pair with the charger? Why are 25% of all chargers off line? And for the very best “gotcha” coming soon to a place near you…What do you mean my homeowners insurance won’t cover my home after it burned down because I had my EV in it? Fun times await!
25% of chargers down? Keep drinking the kool-aid
@@deej628 OK, I rounded up. But It is a fact that nationally, on average 23 or so percent of all electric charging units are non-functioning at any given time.
That doesn’t have nothing to do with Tesla. Tesla has a 98% run rate for their chargers.
As far as your house burning down while charging, that doesn’t have anything to do with Tesla that’s more about people cheating out on the outlet that they use to charge their vehicle which is not rated for consistent use and and then your house will burn down if you have the proper outlet that’s capable for constant high power usage that won’t happen
As far as the Tesla service center, yes in certain states they need to expand and have a broader team in order to fix issues, in my state that doesn’t apply to me because every time I set an appointment or schedule something everything is done on time
Also, a lot of people tend to get rid of their Teslas or EV’s in general is because they buy these cars and they think they’re like regular gas cars which they’re not and they don’t do the research if you do your research and you understand how Evie‘s work is not gonna be a problem but if you just buy it hop in it like it’s a regular gas car you’re gonna have a lot of issuesbecause it’s not the same as what you’re accustomed to similar, but not the same
Tesla certified repair shop replaced both doors panels (due to someone backing into my car) in a week.
I have 2 Teslas in the garage. One from 5 years ago with 85k miles.
Got a 3rd Tesla with free first 3 months supercharging and stalls are available and working fine.
Seems like your stories are ancient.
Bro hit the nail on the head on why some car enthusiasts don’t like teslas.
Here in Europe the charging infrastructure is great and getting better every year! Norway has like 90% of cars as EV
Infrastructure It's not great in whole Europe is great in only few countries in Europe. Norway does not have 90% cars as EV... new cars sells in 2023 were 90% EV , huge difference:P
@@pawelh I’ve been to whole of Europe and it’s fine … electricity is available everywhere
@@craigroberts3732 ...
tesla the boring car company
Is it more interesting than Camry?
No
I think enthusiasts EVs like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N have proven that they can be so fun and bridge the gap between giving you ICE vehicle vibes with paddle shifters and mimicking engine revs and redlining the engine. But Tavarish is right, a lot of factors are slowing adoption and perception. I’ve driven an ID.4 for over 3 years, great experience and now more oil changes!
The fuck is Tavarish talking about? Errr car enthusiasts are the minority of car owners. Car enthusiasts don’t dictate the car market… the majority of owners do through demand. Tavarish talking like he knows how the car market works because he owns and fixes up a few cars. Lmao gotta love the internet.
Well said. They are tiny tiny niche
Prices go down for a one reason only. Because the item isn’t selling that’s that. Why it’s not selling is more complicated.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with age or mileage.......
@@Tschacki_Quacki
What’s your point?
This guy is full of shit. He actually said a model three is bulletproof. This is the most low quality vehicle you can buy.
Seriously 😂
I love my Niro ev, but I totally agree and resonate with the love of a strong gas driving experience. I miss my 87 Porsche 944.
The car enthusiast hating EV/Tesla thing i dont get. Ive always been a rev head but love how the Tesla drives and the feel of it
Because internal combustion cars were almost forced out of existence by the government in favor of EVs
Electric cars aren't even 7% of all cars on the road. ICE will be the primary seller for awhile. At worst we'll see tons of hybrids but all electric isn't happening. @@mikelyoutube9099
get a land cruiser 100 series If you want an asset on wheels instead of a liability
Trying to catch a falling knife is a good idea graham?
@@TheZanyminecraft it's not a falling knife
@@WillProwsewrong
@@WillProwse ok, buying a car where you are trying to time the market like some dumbass daytrader, you’re just looking to get your lunch taken away.
As a single person I don't need a sedan or an SUV. EVs don't cater for me.
Model Y became the best selling car in the world 😊 (also people hate EVs)
My wife and I have been driving Teslas now for 4 years. Getting back in a regular car, even my friends new bmw m5, just feels outdated.
you left out tunability.
car guys like to tinker, learn what makes their car better, faster, etc and apply that knowledge to help them achieve better performance.
it's part of that makes a car more impressive than another- the clear knowledge or capability of an owner over someone else.
you lose every single aspect of that with ev.
If you look around eg RUclips you will find tinkerers of EVs.
Absolutely. That’s why EVs are going to lose out on the 0.01% of the car market that likes to do that kind of thing.
Tunability comes with skill and to tune EV will require different skill set in reprogramming the logic board, etc.
While an electric car DOES hack into my car memories and perceptions, it creates a great, new one: The beauty of the PERFECT drivetrain that has zero downside. Now, the battery "fuel source" is NOT great, but it is livable for many people. I may buy a used Model 3 within a year.
"Vroom vroom" is very 1995
Not really but keep telling yourself that.
Once upon a time people were whining because horses were replaced by the ICE. Riding a horse requires more skill than driving and gives you more of an adrenaline rush. Everyone missed the sounds of the horse, the feel of a live animal under you, and the vibrations etc etc. 😂
@@8.o.8 electric cars were around before ICE cars but didn't catch on because they weren't practical. Same applies to today
@@Matt90541 How is charging from home at a fraction the cost of gas impractical? 300+ miles of range is longer than most roadtrips and when it's not you simply charge at a station for 20 min. There's about 20,000 Tesla superchargers in USA and 40,000 generic fast chargers
@@DTR89 Lots of people are unable to charge up where they live including myself. Cost of repairs and insurance isn't up to par with other manufacturers. Prices shown on Tesla's website are misleading - calculated using government supplied tax credit - kind of odd considering Musk brands himself as a libertarian type against big government.