@Malchiel Cannon yeah but he didn't make a click bait video about why vegeta losing ruined the manga or made a series of videos ranting about why dbs is trash and you're stupid for liking vegetas new form
@@darkspike0392 Very true, I used to like Saiyan Scholar before, but the guy became a blind SS4 fanboy and all he does is trash every DBS manga chapter.
Vegetables didn't have to defeat the big bad, but he could have won in some sense at least instead of completely getting his ass kicked. When goku used ui the first time and fell out of UI, it didn't feel like an ass kicking. They need to give vegeta that same middle ground instead of burying him.
I took this loss hard. Not cuz other people said that. But cuz I was actually hurt for how they dealt with vegeta. I mean Vegeta always gets a new transformation and then he loses. I realize how he lost, he doesnt have the transformation fully learned yet, he took way too much damage. But I still think he shouldnt have just gotten destroyed. Maybe they should have had granolah get the power up and then vegeta realize he might be in trouble and has a troubled look with the chapter ending instead of on the ground.
Finally someone with common sense. Getes just gain access to the form. It's not perfected yet like Goku's ultra instinct. Besides least now Vegeta has atm catched up to Goku in terms of power.
I was mad.... Mad at the Vegeta-fanboys that thought Vegeta was gonna take the main win, and got mad about him losing. I know he wasn't gonna take the main win, he may get a little side win but besides that nah fam.
Vegeta, after just gaining a new form he's still figuring out the ins and outs to, while purposely taking considerable damage over the course of the battle to further master the form, is going to lose to Granola who just KO'ed UI Goku? This can't be! Yea, I agree with this video. I dunno about the wish mechanic affecting Granola to automatically make him stronger than whomever he's facing, but I otherwise agree with the video. The arc JUST started, jesus.
My main problem with super is why don’t these use the other universes. Why not a planet Sadala arc? Or where the erased universes by Zeno accidentally got wished back at the ToP and they plot revenge?
That would be cool but I think it’s because they want to first completely explore our universe I mean what have we really seen in u7 We’ve seen namek the frieza force and the galactic patrol, that’s about it for what we’ve seen for universe 7 There’s still so much more they could do before they travel
@@sidecharacter3193 but most of the first half of super was setting up the other universes. The Moro arc and Granola arc seem like a regression. Moro is basically Majin Buu. They could at least involve some other people from the universes and not ignore Broly and Uub. I feel like super is so much wasted potential and they are using a formula to stay safe.
@@Libtardo123 the set up was mainly for the ToP I think moro and granolah are to go a bit back to character story and lore since the previous arcs didn’t do much in terms of development for goku and vegeta Moro and granolah have given them the most they’ve had in super As for uub and broly I definitely want them to be used soon but I wouldn’t count them as wasted potential yet since They have t been misused yet
@@sidecharacter3193 I guess what they’re doing is fine. But it takes 2 years to do an arc and who knows how long super will last, so they shouldn’t wait too long.
@Broku72 do you remember when you did this ruclips.net/video/j4FG8AqPrWw/видео.html Can you a remake of what universe 6 sayains got God ki they would be the strongest sayains ever
@@Gogeta2501 Even Goku don't win his fight alone most of the time and still im not here like GoKu NeEdS to Win everytime, like, chill Saiyan saga: Defeated Nappa alone but almost lost against VEGETA and Goku had a bunch of Help Freeza: Won against Freeza Cell: People talk about Vegeta sacrifice didnt solve anything, WHAT ABOUT GOKU he sacrificed himself against Cell and guess what didnt help at all it only made Cell stronger Majin buu: NEEDED HELP OF VEGETA AND PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE DBS: Lost to Beerus, Lost to Zamasu like three times almost died too, Champa arc lost as well, Against hit he died one time, ToP: Needed the help of Freeza and Android 17 Moro arc: Almost died as well Granolah arc: He got destroyed You guys need to chill bruh.
@@jamainegardner4193 Oh i see, i remembered now, But still Goku was already able to kinda keep up with Freeza in his kaioken, Goku didnt know how to control the form, all the form did was to give him enough boost to defeat Freeza, And kinda works with SSJ2 aswell but you need to know that Vegeta's new form is something totally different than SSJ (SSJ is something that the saiyans already had, it was already in their DNA) But that form that Vegeta used was something that is not connected to his ancestors or any of his kind it is something totally different.
People are overreacting. Arc isn't even over yet. At this point its equivalent to watching ressurection F til the point where freeza blows up earth, stop there and then cry because everyone is dead.
I think what's gonna happen is, Granohla wish is gonna backfire. From what it seems to me, is that he severely shortened his life span to be the strongest. Not just "become" the strongest, but perpetually "be" the strongest. It would explain how he keeps picking up these abilities and techniques. The wish didn't just make him the strongest, it made him be able to adapt. Now my theory is that the stronger he gets by doing this the shorter his life will become. He may be pushed so far that he just drops dead mid-fight. An anticlimactic way to end this, but a really good plot twist that an average reader may not see coming. But again, this is just a theory.
LIKEWISE, And...If Especially The Hair, Is Still Mostly BLACK, I, Believe This Is ONLY The 'Omen' Version! Just As Kakarot, Was Pushed Into The Form Of UI, In Tournament Of Power.. The Prince, Was PUSHED, For The Very FIRST TIME.. Into This Form Of 'Ultra'....G.O.D Version? The Ultra Ego>;[) The Arc, Has Barely BEGUN. And..Granola , ISN'T The ULTIMATE BIG BANG BAD!
Vegeta was pretty way above the fighters at the start then he was saying he was getting stronger! Then in the end he got his ass wopped! Great video tho I ain't gonna whine
Vegeta lost because his name is not Goku. He will always lose, because this is not the Vegeta show. This is the Goku show. The Vegeta fans who don't understand this will continue to relive that vicious cycle of hype, hope and heartbreak. They never learn.
@@godalmighty1188 really? Ok Lets start from dbz. He lost to vegeta. Lost to 19. Lost to cell. Lost to majin vegeta- yes he was holding back but still lost via Cheap shot. He beats kid buu with everyones help. Lost to beerus. Lost to black. Lost with vegeta Against fused zamasu. Lost to toppo i Initially match. Initially lost to jiren. Beats jiren with team effort. Lost to moro twice. Now Lost to granolah. When it comes to big bad bosses goku beats on his own: king piccolo, piccolo, freeza and golden freeza. And that's a lot of Loses if you ask me.
@@dark-xh7fs Your definition of loss is highly dubious. You obviously don't understand what a second wind is if you're citing "initial losses", or "won with help." Vegeta loses all the time. He will never win a big bad fight solo. Never. N E V E R. Feel free to cry about it.
@@godalmighty1188 i simply pointed where Goku didn't win. If Somewhere i was wrong then feel free to correct me-don't be shy. Goku Initially lost to jiren. Second wind didn't magicaly change lose to win. Vegeta May never win on his own - i admit it is possible- but for now it is your opinion, not a fact. And your opinion is not enough to make me cry :)
The reason this is bad is not because Vegeta loss, a lot of people who knows how repetitive dragon ball is knows Vegeta never gets major W's. The problem is Granolah should not be able to get stronger, he WISHED to be the strongest in the universe, he is at his cap. If he could become stronger after wish then what the fuck is the point of the wish if he still has limits to "break". If vegeta lost because he took too much damage over the course of the fight and granolah outlasted him that would make PERFECT SENSE. the whole new eye ability is stupid because the wish gave granolah new abilities, why didn't it unlock the eye. its a plothole and the story is stupid.
That isn’t a plot hole. Just because someone is the strongest in the universe doesn’t mean they can’t get better. He gained these abilities via the wish and is building on them
Just because he is the strongest it doesn't mean he automatically knows how to use most of the attacks or what they are for example when he used Moros attack he had no idea what it was. And since he was already pretty strong it should make since to say if he had the proper training he would have the potential to have MUI or a form like Ultra Ego and the dragon legit pulled all of his potential out of the guy so he just needs proper training in order to activate the forms.
In Japanese, "strongest" (Saikyou) isn't always about raw strength or quantity. It simply means "best" or "mightiest" but it's used in many broad applications.
Isn't Granolah just gaining a better understanding of his abilities as he fights? It doesn't look like he's getting stronger, he's getting more used to his new power.
I don't understand this weird obsession the fanbase has. Every single time Vegeta struggles, even a little, people lose their minds. "TORIYAMA HATES VEGETA!" right...it's not like Vegeta is currently treated like the second protagonist of the series, it's not like this arc has mostly focused on him, it's not like he was literally just given a transformation that's as strong as UI... But I guess none of that matters because Vegeta didn't just vaporize the main villain with a single attack. At this point that's the only thing that'd make some of you happy.
Before anyone says anything, it's OK to want Vegeta to get the glory and defeat a main villain. That would be cool, and at this point he deserves it. But to act like anything less than that is an insult to the character, or like it completely ruins the story...that's pretty dumb.
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Saiyan scholar and blackscape are the main reasons people took the loss so badly
true
i may like blacksacpe but sometimes they be overblown for views for obvious reasons but i dont hate them
@Malchiel Cannon yeah but he didn't make a click bait video about why vegeta losing ruined the manga or made a series of videos ranting about why dbs is trash and you're stupid for liking vegetas new form
@@darkspike0392 Very true, I used to like Saiyan Scholar before, but the guy became a blind SS4 fanboy and all he does is trash every DBS manga chapter.
@@okuigokublack same
Vegetables didn't have to defeat the big bad, but he could have won in some sense at least instead of completely getting his ass kicked. When goku used ui the first time and fell out of UI, it didn't feel like an ass kicking. They need to give vegeta that same middle ground instead of burying him.
I’ll guess that vegetables are on popurpose
Purpose I mean
i love vegetables
@@runeuchihawhatifsandgaming3783 agreed
Damn Broku you’re back I’ve been following your channel since 2017 good to see you back
Good to see you back man🤝🏾
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I'm glad you're back man
I took this loss hard. Not cuz other people said that. But cuz I was actually hurt for how they dealt with vegeta. I mean Vegeta always gets a new transformation and then he loses. I realize how he lost, he doesnt have the transformation fully learned yet, he took way too much damage. But I still think he shouldnt have just gotten destroyed. Maybe they should have had granolah get the power up and then vegeta realize he might be in trouble and has a troubled look with the chapter ending instead of on the ground.
We have the overreaction to Vegeta loss, they need to stop overreact.
Me: is broku72, THE BROKU72 actually uploading twice a week
I didn't even want him to win just wanted him to make granola retreat.l
Been rocking for years, I'm glad you back bro!!!
Let's go your back and by the way your right because what's the point of killing a villain lose so early
Finally someone with common sense. Getes just gain access to the form. It's not perfected yet like Goku's ultra instinct. Besides least now Vegeta has atm catched up to Goku in terms of power.
can't believe it's been nine months now.
I was mad....
Mad at the Vegeta-fanboys that thought Vegeta was gonna take the main win, and got mad about him losing. I know he wasn't gonna take the main win, he may get a little side win but besides that nah fam.
Vegeta, after just gaining a new form he's still figuring out the ins and outs to, while purposely taking considerable damage over the course of the battle to further master the form, is going to lose to Granola who just KO'ed UI Goku? This can't be!
Yea, I agree with this video. I dunno about the wish mechanic affecting Granola to automatically make him stronger than whomever he's facing, but I otherwise agree with the video. The arc JUST started, jesus.
My main problem with super is why don’t these use the other universes. Why not a planet Sadala arc? Or where the erased universes by Zeno accidentally got wished back at the ToP and they plot revenge?
That would be cool but I think it’s because they want to first completely explore our universe
I mean what have we really seen in u7
We’ve seen namek the frieza force and the galactic patrol, that’s about it for what we’ve seen for universe 7
There’s still so much more they could do before they travel
@@sidecharacter3193 but most of the first half of super was setting up the other universes. The Moro arc and Granola arc seem like a regression. Moro is basically Majin Buu. They could at least involve some other people from the universes and not ignore Broly and Uub. I feel like super is so much wasted potential and they are using a formula to stay safe.
@@Libtardo123 the set up was mainly for the ToP
I think moro and granolah are to go a bit back to character story and lore since the previous arcs didn’t do much in terms of development for goku and vegeta
Moro and granolah have given them the most they’ve had in super
As for uub and broly I definitely want them to be used soon but I wouldn’t count them as wasted potential yet since They have t been misused yet
@@sidecharacter3193 I guess what they’re doing is fine. But it takes 2 years to do an arc and who knows how long super will last, so they shouldn’t wait too long.
Good to see you making videos again brother. We should get the boys back together soon.
Vegeta has been getting whooped by villains for decades
Karma lol
It is quite the overreaction, Goku didn't even win with ultra instinct the first time he had it. Their expectations are a little too high.
Do you think you will you continue your old what ifs
Possibly
@Broku72 do you remember when you did this ruclips.net/video/j4FG8AqPrWw/видео.html
Can you a remake of what universe 6 sayains got God ki they would be the strongest sayains ever
I can't beleive that the Prince Of All Space Warriors lost! Get up and get him...VEJITUH!!!😆
Bruh i dont understand Vegeta literally just learned that form, They expect Vegeta to win every single fight like bruh.
Stfu let him win it he doesnt finish big bad
@@Gogeta2501 Even Goku don't win his fight alone most of the time and still im not here like GoKu NeEdS to Win everytime, like, chill
Saiyan saga: Defeated Nappa alone but almost lost against VEGETA and Goku had a bunch of Help
Freeza: Won against Freeza
Cell: People talk about Vegeta sacrifice didnt solve anything, WHAT ABOUT GOKU he sacrificed himself against Cell and guess what didnt help at all it only made Cell stronger
Majin buu: NEEDED HELP OF VEGETA AND PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE
DBS: Lost to Beerus, Lost to Zamasu like three times almost died too, Champa arc lost as well, Against hit he died one time, ToP: Needed the help of Freeza and Android 17
Moro arc: Almost died as well
Granolah arc: He got destroyed
You guys need to chill bruh.
You say that but SSJand SSJ2 work against your point here.
@@jamainegardner4193 Oh i see, i remembered now, But still Goku was already able to kinda keep up with Freeza in his kaioken, Goku didnt know how to control the form, all the form did was to give him enough boost to defeat Freeza, And kinda works with SSJ2 aswell but you need to know that Vegeta's new form is something totally different than SSJ (SSJ is something that the saiyans already had, it was already in their DNA) But that form that Vegeta used was something that is not connected to his ancestors or any of his kind it is something totally different.
I think this is Ultra Ego Omen and next is Ultra Ego (mastered) were he has purple hair.
Vegeta does have purple hair
@@KolaTheBear
Really?
Is it in the cover?
pls what if goku was in black clover
Although I agree with the majority of the video, I’m not so sure about Granola’s wish consistently updating.
That’s not what I meant
People are overreacting. Arc isn't even over yet. At this point its equivalent to watching ressurection F til the point where freeza blows up earth, stop there and then cry because everyone is dead.
To be fair Vegeta WILL NEVER get a win. He isn't Goku or Gohan.
I wish I read the manga I could have learned sooner that granola isn’t a saiyan
What made you think that he is saiyan?
@@dark-xh7fs literally the first time u get see they say he a crealien 😂
The disrespect to Vegeta is real
Ultra Asspull Gaynola vs Badass Vegeta Hakaishin
I agree with you he hasent lost like ppl over react for nothing
I think what's gonna happen is, Granohla wish is gonna backfire. From what it seems to me, is that he severely shortened his life span to be the strongest. Not just "become" the strongest, but perpetually "be" the strongest. It would explain how he keeps picking up these abilities and techniques. The wish didn't just make him the strongest, it made him be able to adapt. Now my theory is that the stronger he gets by doing this the shorter his life will become. He may be pushed so far that he just drops dead mid-fight. An anticlimactic way to end this, but a really good plot twist that an average reader may not see coming. But again, this is just a theory.
Reminds me of the Android Saga when Son Goku gets the rare heart disease and dies in Future Trunks timeline lol. God Bless
LIKEWISE,
And...If Especially The Hair, Is Still Mostly BLACK,
I, Believe This Is ONLY The 'Omen' Version!
Just As Kakarot, Was Pushed Into The Form Of UI, In Tournament Of Power..
The Prince, Was PUSHED, For The Very FIRST TIME..
Into This Form Of 'Ultra'....G.O.D Version?
The Ultra Ego>;[)
The Arc, Has Barely BEGUN.
And..Granola , ISN'T The ULTIMATE BIG BANG BAD!
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Vegeta was pretty way above the fighters at the start then he was saying he was getting stronger! Then in the end he got his ass wopped! Great video tho I ain't gonna whine
Missed ye dude
What if goku was in kamen rider den-o
Another upload🙀
What the fuck why did you reupload this video on this channel?
Sup Broku
Vegeta will rise to the rank of destroyer and still not be given his dub goku will be right there as his angel .
Vegeta lost because his name is not Goku. He will always lose, because this is not the Vegeta show. This is the Goku show. The Vegeta fans who don't understand this will continue to relive that vicious cycle of hype, hope and heartbreak. They never learn.
Of course it is goku show, but if you pay some attention goku doesn't win that much.
@@dark-xh7fs Like when?
@@godalmighty1188 really? Ok
Lets start from dbz. He lost to vegeta. Lost to 19. Lost to cell. Lost to majin vegeta- yes he was holding back but still lost via Cheap shot. He beats kid buu with everyones help. Lost to beerus. Lost to black. Lost with vegeta Against fused zamasu. Lost to toppo i Initially match. Initially lost to jiren. Beats jiren with team effort. Lost to moro twice. Now Lost to granolah. When it comes to big bad bosses goku beats on his own: king piccolo, piccolo, freeza and golden freeza. And that's a lot of Loses if you ask me.
@@dark-xh7fs Your definition of loss is highly dubious. You obviously don't understand what a second wind is if you're citing "initial losses", or "won with help." Vegeta loses all the time. He will never win a big bad fight solo. Never.
N E V E R.
Feel free to cry about it.
@@godalmighty1188 i simply pointed where Goku didn't win. If Somewhere i was wrong then feel free to correct me-don't be shy.
Goku Initially lost to jiren. Second wind didn't magicaly change lose to win.
Vegeta May never win on his own - i admit it is possible- but for now it is your opinion, not a fact. And your opinion is not enough to make me cry :)
The reason this is bad is not because Vegeta loss, a lot of people who knows how repetitive dragon ball is knows Vegeta never gets major W's. The problem is Granolah should not be able to get stronger, he WISHED to be the strongest in the universe, he is at his cap. If he could become stronger after wish then what the fuck is the point of the wish if he still has limits to "break". If vegeta lost because he took too much damage over the course of the fight and granolah outlasted him that would make PERFECT SENSE. the whole new eye ability is stupid because the wish gave granolah new abilities, why didn't it unlock the eye. its a plothole and the story is stupid.
That isn’t a plot hole. Just because someone is the strongest in the universe doesn’t mean they can’t get better. He gained these abilities via the wish and is building on them
Just because he is the strongest it doesn't mean he automatically knows how to use most of the attacks or what they are for example when he used Moros attack he had no idea what it was. And since he was already pretty strong it should make since to say if he had the proper training he would have the potential to have MUI or a form like Ultra Ego and the dragon legit pulled all of his potential out of the guy so
he just needs proper training in order to activate the forms.
In Japanese, "strongest" (Saikyou) isn't always about raw strength or quantity. It simply means "best" or "mightiest" but it's used in many broad applications.
Isn't Granolah just gaining a better understanding of his abilities as he fights? It doesn't look like he's getting stronger, he's getting more used to his new power.
@@matti.8465 nope he physically got stronger
Hi
No way they put Saitama in dragon ball?!
I don't understand this weird obsession the fanbase has. Every single time Vegeta struggles, even a little, people lose their minds.
"TORIYAMA HATES VEGETA!" right...it's not like Vegeta is currently treated like the second protagonist of the series, it's not like this arc has mostly focused on him, it's not like he was literally just given a transformation that's as strong as UI...
But I guess none of that matters because Vegeta didn't just vaporize the main villain with a single attack. At this point that's the only thing that'd make some of you happy.
Before anyone says anything, it's OK to want Vegeta to get the glory and defeat a main villain. That would be cool, and at this point he deserves it.
But to act like anything less than that is an insult to the character, or like it completely ruins the story...that's pretty dumb.
@]] I'm just adding to it, make sure it doesn't get misinterpreted. That's all.
I totally agree!
Please don’t heart every comment again
reality is under my control.
Ima just say it, the form is kinda ass idk why people expected him to win against the stronget mortal without dodging💀