2017 Cadillac CTS-V vs. 2016 Lexus GS F - Redline: Comparison

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  • Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024

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  • @MrMustangrick
    @MrMustangrick 6 лет назад +19

    Have a 2013 GS 350 , it has been builit proof. Nothing breaks, low maintenance and a fantastic quality interior. This is my next Lexus for sure! Atomic silver with the red interior is stunning !

  • @RTAMOTORSPORTS
    @RTAMOTORSPORTS 7 лет назад +36

    I own a CTS v but I did drive the GS f... and wow I have to give their interior a hands down win. feels exotic and special. and not a bad sounding exhaust stock.

    • @issavibez394
      @issavibez394 2 года назад +3

      It will.hold value better than Cadillac and last longer so more for ur money

    • @victorkenarsy3024
      @victorkenarsy3024 Год назад +4

      @@issavibez394 If you buy a car considering how well it’s holds “value” you aren’t in the demographic for this vehicle.

    • @chrizzo7782
      @chrizzo7782 8 месяцев назад

      @@victorkenarsy3024dumbass comment

  • @motorhead_jt21
    @motorhead_jt21 7 лет назад +112

    I love Lexus and I'm not even a fan of Cadillac. BUT there's no way I would pass on this CTS-V. It's just an all around great car

    • @saltie.7783
      @saltie.7783 5 лет назад +3

      Scott Watkins I agree. The CTS kind of seems better than the GS.

    • @kenjkbs
      @kenjkbs 5 лет назад +14

      Including reliability? Lol

    • @davedave2941
      @davedave2941 4 года назад +5

      I will take reliability over the majority of American made cars... 🤷🏽‍♂️ my beliefs why most of the V8s have short ownership times... the constant stops to refuel if you are a heavy footed driver 😏

    • @CU08
      @CU08 4 года назад +4

      @@davedave2941 ... um, the GS-F has a V8. Typical Yoda nutswinger. Clueless.

    • @lysol6663
      @lysol6663 2 года назад +2

      Yous bout to pay a lot for maintenance

  • @InvestBetter.
    @InvestBetter. 5 лет назад +31

    22:35 24:07 25:48
    The Lexus is a BEAST, but it is much better value as a used car buy in 3 years

    • @fitnessguru8012
      @fitnessguru8012 4 года назад +3

      The Lexus bodystyle is from 2012.

    • @wagrj5738
      @wagrj5738 3 года назад +5

      No cts-v keeps its value much better

  • @jacobrael9872
    @jacobrael9872 3 года назад +27

    I would have to go with the lexus, it looks amazing in and out, the Cadillac is badass too but the lexus is a machine that will never fail you or leave you stranded and you can enjoy it for a long time

    • @rks-bh6tb
      @rks-bh6tb 2 года назад +1

      i mean yea but Cadillac is decent it wont break down

    • @AllEyezOnRod
      @AllEyezOnRod Год назад +1

      @@rks-bh6tb it will

    • @cedricmiller4370
      @cedricmiller4370 День назад

      ​@@AllEyezOnRodyea Cadillac gets pricey to keep on the highway longterm but Lexus gonna hold up long as you keep oil changed regularly

  • @coureurdebois
    @coureurdebois 7 лет назад +200

    i love them both, but the CTS-V simply out classes with more performance, a more luxurious interior, more features, and a slightly more cohesive design, of course anyone who chooses a GSF wont be disappointed with a stellar N/A V8, best in class reliability, and an over all very unique choice in this segment. love them both.

    • @zillurrahman8461
      @zillurrahman8461 7 лет назад +2

      justin bouche jsuxdgdha

    • @molo1706
      @molo1706 7 лет назад +3

      lol something is weird , where is your stalker xD ?

    • @coureurdebois
      @coureurdebois 7 лет назад +1

      Mo Lo HAHAHAHA, you mean bigbitch?

    • @chefcjnobles1680
      @chefcjnobles1680 7 лет назад +2

      justin bouche big truck is your stalker too?!? 😳

    • @coureurdebois
      @coureurdebois 7 лет назад +6

      Big bitch 275 something LOL he has been following me for the past 8 months straight 30 notifications every day from this guy

  • @ibarrat66366
    @ibarrat66366 7 лет назад +17

    Love the numbers that the CTS-V is capable of producing but I would have to go with the GS-F

  • @jfcn474
    @jfcn474 7 лет назад +63

    I will take the Lexus for sure, best reliability, never has trouble. Even if the CTS-V had a 800+ horsepower I would buy the Lexus.

    • @naveenkrishnamurthy7576
      @naveenkrishnamurthy7576 5 лет назад +6

      JF CN my heart says CTS v or RT Scat Pack, but my wallet says Lexus.

    • @memeade3914
      @memeade3914 5 лет назад +2

      Even tho caddy has more power the Lexus is 4 secs behind it

    • @w41duvernay
      @w41duvernay 4 года назад +1

      You need a check up from your neck up. People flip out when you pick them up in a Cadillac. Uber driver here. I never got so MANY business cards dropped on me, it was nuts.

    • @ricky-sanchez
      @ricky-sanchez 4 года назад +4

      @@w41duvernay Temporary stardom.

  • @MrHav1k
    @MrHav1k 7 лет назад +107

    The V sounds absolutely insane.

  • @vlad1889
    @vlad1889 7 лет назад +121

    To lease: definitely Cadillac but to own without a doubt lexus.

    • @vegasbab.y3740
      @vegasbab.y3740 6 лет назад +3

      Vlad B no I would leave a Lexus. I would only have it for fun. And adrenaline. But I would have the Cadillac for cruising along California and putting the power down when I need it. I swear nothing can’t compare to Cadillac because. If it’s not a Cadillac. Then it’s not luxury.

    • @jayholmes3429
      @jayholmes3429 6 лет назад

      *mercedes

    • @howellmendoza7651
      @howellmendoza7651 6 лет назад

      Lexus all the way

    • @MrMustangrick
      @MrMustangrick 5 лет назад

      leasing is for losers

    • @emekaiheanacho274
      @emekaiheanacho274 3 года назад

      @@vegasbab.y3740 Cadillac is a piece of shit ..

  • @SouthernCaliVato
    @SouthernCaliVato 7 лет назад +93

    Two beautiful cars
    Knife to a gun fight, very true
    My heart says Cadillacs but head says Lexus

    • @MrMustangrick
      @MrMustangrick 5 лет назад +21

      My everything says Lexus all day

    • @mybro727
      @mybro727 4 года назад +13

      MrMustangrick my everything says Cadillac 🔥

    • @w41duvernay
      @w41duvernay 4 года назад +9

      My head AND heart say Cadillac CTS V. You might want to get your heart checked!

    • @mrerick0363652
      @mrerick0363652 4 года назад +14

      @@w41duvernay reliability everyday driver my head is check lexus all day.

    • @youngphillip248
      @youngphillip248 3 года назад +2

      competitive but wholesome comment thread

  • @dmitriyn8255
    @dmitriyn8255 7 лет назад +88

    I own a Cadillac ATS and my GF owns a Lexus. She has over 40k miles not a single rattle or problem EVER. Mine has 14k miles and am visiting a mechanic every few months, already have rattle, speakers buz, replaced main console freezes, and many more BS things. Next time I know what I'm buying!

    • @narzanoa3618
      @narzanoa3618 7 лет назад +27

      I own BMW 4series now, owned Lexus GS before.
      I can say that, "Lexus has the reliability absolutely".

    • @cadillac718bx36
      @cadillac718bx36 7 лет назад +5

      Dmitriy Nanaziashvili I know someone with a 2014 CTS 3.6 and the interior has not one rattle it's a rock solid car and it now has almost 30k on it. & it has only had cue software issues early on.

    • @dmitriyn8255
      @dmitriyn8255 7 лет назад +7

      I'm on my second CUE and mine is 2013. I still have the radio stop working randomly, it freezes, and when it is cold it takes 20+ seconds to change stations as it loads. My neighbor has the cadillac SUV 2013 and said he has rattling all throughout the car and will not get another one also. Another person I went boating with in the summer said her parents cadillac is on second cue system also. Common problem...

    • @canadianchamp1980
      @canadianchamp1980 7 лет назад +3

      clearly lexus has been #1 for 16 years with best reliability in industry. caddy comes in somewhere in the 20s

    • @SanjaySingh-dj3bp
      @SanjaySingh-dj3bp 7 лет назад

      Dmitriy Nanaziashvili I own a 15 is350 and my gf owns a 2010 mini cooper

  • @madpistol
    @madpistol 7 лет назад +91

    I'm in the minority on this, but I would rather take the GS-F.
    Two reasons:
    1. More usable power (that won't scare you)
    2. Lexus reliability and resale value.

    • @That8oySimba9302
      @That8oySimba9302 7 лет назад +5

      Mad Pistol
      I'll take the gs f over the cts-v, as well.

    • @daison96
      @daison96 7 лет назад +9

      Mad Pistol If you're buying a car with the forethought of its resale value, you're not buying the car you truly want.

    • @madpistol
      @madpistol 7 лет назад +7

      Isamu Wallace actually, I DO want it because it still offers tons of fun, and frankly, the Lexus IS definitely the more luxurious of the two.

    • @daison96
      @daison96 7 лет назад +5

      Mad Pistol Yeah, get what you want. I'm all for it. But when people speak of resale value or keeping it low miles, they're not enjoying their car.
      Cars are made for driving and enjoyment, not investments; nothing depreciates faster than a car.

    • @ARentz07
      @ARentz07 7 лет назад +2

      I'm enjoying the hell out of my Lexus IS, even though I have a lease and am trying not to exceed the mileage. Just saying.

  • @Toyota4Life
    @Toyota4Life 7 лет назад +138

    Lets take this moment to acknowledge that Lexus is the ONLY Japanese luxury auto maker to take on the high performance brands and actually make their own high performance division of cars. Good job Lexus. This is also the first generation GSF. I believe that CTS-V is the third generation model. So the Lexus F brand is a upcoming player that started in 2008, not better then the established stars but damn good for a starter up and its that new player you should not sleep on.
    That being said I love the fact the Caddy has almost 700hp but I have a feeling your gonna see more CTS-V crashed then the GSF. Because of its more usable power the GSF is the more of a drivers car. You cant open up CTS-V like you can the GSF. Love both of these cars tho. I do like the interior of the Lexus more over the caddi interior. The Lexus does give you a better value when it comes to options. Theres almost nothing optional on Lexus F cars. Lexus will no doubt be dependable and fun at the same time your not giving up dependability to go fast. I like the front end of the CTS-V but beside the front end I think the GSF looks better in every other way.
    Both cars are awesome give me anyone ! My best thing about the both of them? THEY ARENT GERMAN.

    • @theredline
      @theredline  7 лет назад +23

      Glad to hear you can equally appreciate the Cadillac for what it is, the Lexus gave it a hell of a fight though and we weren't kidding when we said we liked many aspects of the GS F over the CTS-V. You honestly can't go wrong with either car, each of them will speak to a certain driver in their own way. The GS F certainly gets us excited for the next generation model, hopefully Lexus will deliver the power in the form of a boosted V8 engine in the upcoming LC F. Cheers to both of these not being German :)

    • @SlowWhip
      @SlowWhip 7 лет назад +11

      Redline Reviews Lexus should've called this car GS500 F-Sport and put it against Audi S6, BMW 550i M-Sport, Mercedes E43 AMG, and Cadillac CTS-V Sport. It was a mistake calling it GS-F.

    • @that6thgen_2ss35
      @that6thgen_2ss35 7 лет назад +2

      That is a perfectly stated analysis there. I agree 100%. That engine just doesn't add up to the other cars in its class that it is trying to compete against.

    • @Toyota4Life
      @Toyota4Life 7 лет назад +15

      Torian Richardson Your missing the point. Lexus didn't make the GSF to be the most powerful and fastest car in its class. Lexus wanted to make a powerful car thats also a drivers car and they accomplished that mission 100%. They are not trying to be the best they just want to offer their take on what a high performance sedan can be. The GSF engine is still awesome the last of its kind. Its still a special car and people who dont only care about numbers will see that.

    • @that6thgen_2ss35
      @that6thgen_2ss35 7 лет назад +7

      Toyota4Life I don't think I am missing the point at all. You just contradicted yourself and you don't even realize it. You said Lexus wasn't trying to be the fastest or most powerful car in the class or even the best. That is exactly my point, what is its appeal. You call it a "drivers" car but the CTS-V outpaces it in ever single aspect including handling, power, acceleration, and driver engagement. The BMW is a MUCH better drivers car even still and the AMG is faster with a way nicer interior. In what tangible way could you sell this car to someone in the market for a performance luxury car in this class who isn't already set on buying a Lexus? Serious question, I would like to hear your sales pitch based on tangible information not just your opinion.

  • @Pinkpolo85
    @Pinkpolo85 7 лет назад +8

    Hands down one of my favorite videos you have done. I would love to see more comparison videos like this. I really like both cars but it's something about that Caddy that I just love!!! Keep up the great content sir!!!

  • @VanillaCracker
    @VanillaCracker 7 лет назад +7

    Your intro songs are always phenomoninal! Never miss a beat

  • @damon.martin8482
    @damon.martin8482 7 лет назад +28

    Man wish I could afford that Caddy!!!!!

  • @CalvinHikes
    @CalvinHikes 6 лет назад +2

    Cadillac's new marketing catch phrase, "Tail happy shenanigans."

  • @DisneyMusicVideos
    @DisneyMusicVideos Год назад +4

    Both are beautiful cars in their own ways. I own a white on red 2016 Lexus GS 350 F-Sport that I bought used two years ago with 41k miles for $31k after taxes (original MSRP $58k) now with 62k miles & I love it so much that I'll probably keep it forever. It's been super reliable so far as expected & has a fantastic ride & handling balance. I would've really considered the Cadillac if it had the same long term reliability as a Lexus. It's styling still looks amazing here in 2022 & easily one of the best looking sedans ever IMO & even better looking inside & out than the current CT5.

    • @AllEyezOnRod
      @AllEyezOnRod Год назад +1

      I have the 2018 in Ultra White with the Flaxen interior.

  • @Mac2437
    @Mac2437 3 года назад +4

    Since I’m not a big time baller I’ll take GSF . Reliability being the main reason

  • @robdobson5056
    @robdobson5056 7 лет назад +4

    Just purchased my first Cadillac CTS coupe. Awesome car

  • @HodsBroo
    @HodsBroo 7 лет назад +133

    I much rather have the gs f lol, reliability, looks, residual value, n/a v8 noise, rides more comfortably. You also have to consider, the GS F competes more with the 550i, e550, S6 and CTS V Sport in terms of performance. Quite a niche product but it's a smart move by Lexus. Save a nice 15k in the process.

    • @DigitalSubset
      @DigitalSubset 7 лет назад +31

      Yea, I can safely assume you are a toyota fanboy (Supra picture) But hey, anyone would say they would have the brand that lost because it's their favorite company. I understand.

    • @That8oySimba9302
      @That8oySimba9302 7 лет назад +9

      Anton Zuykov I laugh when people talk about reliability like it shouldn't be something everyone desires no matter the product they buy. It's like not choosing the choice someone else did automatically makes you a fan boy.

    • @HodsBroo
      @HodsBroo 7 лет назад +10

      pretty funny right guys? sheesh yes...ofc I enjoy the peace of mind knowing my 85,000 investment won't break down. like am I not suppose to? dude give me a break. yes if that means I'm a "fanboy" then so be it.

    • @That8oySimba9302
      @That8oySimba9302 7 лет назад +9

      UnitedRecording​ what? Here's the ranking. Lexus is ranked #1 in dependability by consumer reports. Cadillac is ranked #21
      www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/

    • @That8oySimba9302
      @That8oySimba9302 7 лет назад +1

      UnitedRecording alright let's go with that. Where are you getting the facts? I'd love to read them if I'm truly wrong.

  • @taburki1s
    @taburki1s 4 года назад +18

    I would still buy the GSF.

  • @DriveAndBeDriven
    @DriveAndBeDriven 7 лет назад +22

    Great video, Sofyan! You did a great job comparing both vehicles! The Cadillac seems a little more difficult to enjoy as a daily driver as oppose to the Lexus, in my opinion, due to the lower and louder nature of the vehicle.
    The Cadillac CTS-V's exterior styling personally looks more aggressive and bold as oppose to the GS-F.
    When it comes to the interior's I like the bright and what seems to be more easy to use environment of the Lexus, but the overall more techy and different look of the interior of the Cadillac. I do have to admit though, the Cadillacs interior seems to have to many motorized and technology based parts, which in the long run can end up costing a lot more in repairs.
    Both cars also sound amazing, but the Cadillac just sounds a ton better at a stand still. While, when you where driving I actually found myself preferring the acoustics of the Lexus' very crisp sounding shifts and if you will more constant and linear sound!
    All in all, you cannot go wrong with either of these vehicles, but personally I would have to pick the Cadillac for a weekend fun car and the Lexus for more of an everyday car. I can totally tell you love what you do for a living. From one good car reviewer (me) to one great car reviewer (you), keep up the amazing work!
    -DriveAndBeDriven
    "The Quest To Record The Best!"

  • @rashiksharar
    @rashiksharar 7 лет назад +16

    Cadillac CTS-V for me. ;)

  • @brianjoyce9040
    @brianjoyce9040 5 лет назад +1

    The cars both have great skills and presenter had the attitude and info required to show in a great light. Enthusiasm is perfect and appreciated

  • @Marco-yl8cm
    @Marco-yl8cm 3 года назад +3

    when reliability and build quality are on the table, there is really no comparison here

  • @DERRECK153
    @DERRECK153 7 лет назад +20

    Cadillac Is truly my choice power Is everything

  • @Eeaotc02
    @Eeaotc02 7 лет назад +20

    I love both of them but for some reason the Lexus keeps giving me chills because of that V8. Sounds sooo beautiful! The Cadillac does sound good no doubt but that V8 in that Lexus, I really don't know why. I can literally forget about the power (maybe) because of that sound. Not only that but like what he said, it's easier to rev it up than the Cadillac sadly. If the Cadillac was easier to control while you're trying to rev it up then it would be harder for me to choose.

  • @archiij1707
    @archiij1707 7 лет назад +116

    I'll take the Cadillac any time any day , its just more elegant looking compared to the Lexus.

    • @phodacbitch
      @phodacbitch 7 лет назад +7

      its subjective though.

    • @punkem733
      @punkem733 7 лет назад +6

      Not only the better looks, but the performance numbers it puts up...JESUS!

    • @archiij1707
      @archiij1707 7 лет назад +6

      The lexus isn't even on its level Cadillac out did themselves with this bad boy .

    • @HodsBroo
      @HodsBroo 7 лет назад +21

      lol I think the lexus is much nicer looking and oh it also doesn't break

    • @jamalh4084
      @jamalh4084 7 лет назад +4

      HodsBroo I just think the Cadillac like talks to me more. I'm a car guy so forgiveness if I sound like I'm making the car sound like a person but every time I hear that engine it's like it's telling me go faster.

  • @2isadventures
    @2isadventures 7 лет назад +52

    I'd take both to be honest.

  • @jamelmoore4356
    @jamelmoore4356 7 лет назад +1

    If I want a comfy ride, N/A V8 power, and stellar reliability, the GS-F is the way to go! If track performance, a supercharged V8, and killer handling is what I'm looking for, The CTV-V is the car for me!
    Honestly, both have equally appealing (or unappealing) interior designs. If only the Caddy offered AWD.....

  • @mr.bamboo6230
    @mr.bamboo6230 7 лет назад +7

    I love the CTS-V!. You should make a comparison video to the 2017 Mercedes E63 s AMG. I'm torn between the two..

  • @paulfrankelphd
    @paulfrankelphd 7 лет назад +10

    Which would you prefer to live with every day that's "family-friendly?"

    • @theredline
      @theredline  7 лет назад +12

      Paul Frankel The Lexus is without a doubt the more family friendly option. The ride is softer and the rear seat and seats in general are more comfortable

  • @UniqueMechanics
    @UniqueMechanics 7 лет назад +6

    I love the Lexus! Its one car that I notice and always take a moment to look over whenever I see it out. Never got into Cadillac's though.

  • @MrDjohboy
    @MrDjohboy 4 года назад +1

    The Lexus almost got you to cuss but the supercharged caddy caught you all off guard and SHITTTTT flew out lol.

  • @leonardrice2830
    @leonardrice2830 7 лет назад +10

    As a Dodge 4 door Charger Hellcat owner, I've only respect for the CTS-V. I do not think the lesser performance of the Lexus worth the "interior". I've no issue with Lexus "better" interior, but the priss-pots who buy Lexus ought not think they "own the road". A Dodge would spank them. The Caddy CTS-V? Now you've got my attention. 🤔

  • @Eric-rb4er
    @Eric-rb4er 6 лет назад +1

    I wouldn't say Cadillacs aren't unreliable I have a 2008 escalade and it still runs like a champ

  • @davidaustin4407
    @davidaustin4407 7 лет назад +19

    2 badass cars that 99% of us cannot afford. I would take either. I love the sounds the Cadillac makes when you push it. Like a dam formula 1 race car I would like to see you compare the Dodge Hellcat vs the Caddy.

    • @WaveManMike
      @WaveManMike 6 лет назад +2

      Tbh we all can afford them if you really wanted to but people spend too much money on junk food and expensive clothing. Just have a normal house, eat healthy, dress normal, and you can lease these cars with no problem. 🤙🏽

  • @terryrutherford2114
    @terryrutherford2114 Год назад

    I have a 2011 CTS-V I just put up for sale because I want a 2016 or later CTS-V. I love them. Thanks for the video!

  • @loulou9878
    @loulou9878 7 лет назад +12

    you can get the sunshades in the Lexus too, it is available. I don't why he keeps saying that u can't.

    • @penvon
      @penvon 7 лет назад +12

      lou9878 Because he's a bias fool who doesn't do much research,Plus his hate for Lexus/Toyota doesn't help at all.

    • @KCMrecordings
      @KCMrecordings 7 лет назад +3

      Yeah, its not like he does this for a living. Idiot

    • @13DatsyukDangle13
      @13DatsyukDangle13 7 лет назад +7

      I just went on the Lexus website to build my own and I didn't find that included anywhere. He said it's available on the lower models but not on the GS F and he seems to be right.

    • @FaisalKhan-gy1yc
      @FaisalKhan-gy1yc 6 лет назад

      lou9878 yes it does

  • @matrixmaster2233
    @matrixmaster2233 6 лет назад +2

    For me, that's a tough one. I like both for different reasons. I like Lexus because they're very reliable. I like Cadillac because they're comfortable, and they can punch down some serious numbers on horsepower and torque, like the Cts-v for instance.

  • @melissac.4028
    @melissac.4028 7 лет назад +3

    had the pleasure of being in a gsf, it's like a dream but I'd most likely choose the ctsv. both bad ass

  • @suirad69batista21
    @suirad69batista21 5 лет назад +1

    The Lexus for overall package. It has performance,prestige and reliability. CTS V is a money pit in the long run.

  • @Berendi100
    @Berendi100 7 лет назад +6

    Cadillac CTS-V 0=>100km/h in 3,3sec. Max speed 325km/h. Lexus GSF 0=>100km/h in 6 sec; Max speed =250km/h

  • @MrHav1k
    @MrHav1k 7 лет назад +12

    At 640HP, don't you think they'd want an AWD version as an option? Just a thought lol.

    • @Duny100
      @Duny100 7 лет назад +5

      TheHvk no dude, burnouts

    • @theredline
      @theredline  7 лет назад +9

      An option would be nice, but some of us enjoy how easy it is to roast the rear tires at will ;)

    • @hochhaul
      @hochhaul 7 лет назад +3

      AWD systems ruin the driving experience.

  • @FinestInstinct
    @FinestInstinct 7 лет назад +100

    CTS-V looks super badass but I'd still pick the GS F between the two.

    • @jordan88884
      @jordan88884 7 лет назад +9

      FinestInstinct caddy 2 year Lease looks so much better plus the power but the lexus to own due it not being a money pit pain in the ass to own

    • @mrmm7322
      @mrmm7322 7 лет назад +2

      FinestInstinct Ian with you I wold take the Lexus gsf because. The quality and value and reliable and resale value and looks

    • @forho2
      @forho2 7 лет назад +7

      FinestInstinct Lexus is for females. No debate

    • @quentonmillstid850
      @quentonmillstid850 6 лет назад +4

      Mr M M looks? that lexus design is reguarded by most reviewers by being ugly

    • @w8uejeoeoq9qkw68
      @w8uejeoeoq9qkw68 6 лет назад +1

      Mr M M It's ugly, outdated, slow, overpriced, and its resale value is just as bad as any of its competitors

  • @dcharizard91
    @dcharizard91 7 лет назад +5

    I think Lexus made a mistake calling this the GSF...they should've called it the GS500 since figures are more comparable to the BMW 550, MB E43, Audi S6, and Cadillac CTS V-sport. Save the GSF name for when they release a new performance engine to compete with M, AMG, RS, and V.

    • @aircommandslipperz
      @aircommandslipperz 7 лет назад +2

      dcharizard91 i think lexus never build their cars to have the highest hp/torque..their car is about overall experience and satisfaction..comfortable and reliable but still very fast/powerful

    • @theredline
      @theredline  7 лет назад +3

      A GS500 F-Sport badge may have been more appropriate, we agree with you.

    • @usernamealreadytaken770
      @usernamealreadytaken770 7 лет назад +1

      Exactly my thoughts. The GS-F is horribly overpriced when it is much fairer to compare it to the Mercedes E550 and BMW 550i which are in the $60K range. Lexus really should've just called it the GS500 and given an F badge to a more worthy one. Same with RC-F.
      But I will say is one huge advantage the GS-F does have over the 550i and E550 is the handling and suspension especially since the GS-F does have torque vectoring differential. The 550i and E550 do not get the AMG/M treatment and the GS-F is definitely better than those. It's a tweener. It's too good to compete with the 550i and E550 but too slow to compete with the M5/E63/CTS-V

    • @d1sturb3d119
      @d1sturb3d119 4 года назад

      @@usernamealreadytaken770 The E550 makes 429hp so under that of the Lex and the BMW seems like good value until you add features. The Lex offers an option that is a gap in the Merc line up while BMW seems to do a good job giving a ton of options.
      You are right about it being slower than the competition in objective tests that the reviewers do but in the real world it all events out. If you're out anywhere other than a track, pretty much anything in the F line up will put its power down better and actually have useable performance. Having gone up against these cars, even in a track setting, maintaining consistency is not something that can be done with those cars. They make so much power that they shred their tires in no time. Most people will not continue to beat on the cars for consecutive laps.
      Overall it comes down to the driver. Personally I would just enjoy the experience and daily drive-ability. But that's just me.

  • @gregdimas3011
    @gregdimas3011 7 лет назад +7

    I'll take Lexus reliability!

    • @DSNCB919
      @DSNCB919 7 лет назад

      Greg Dimas your basically guessing reliability on a new car you know... might wanna look at warranties if ur a bit smarter

    • @gregdimas3011
      @gregdimas3011 7 лет назад

      DSNCB919 no, not guessing; I owned a 2001 Lexus IS 300... it went over 325,000 miles. Besides that, historical data favors the Lexus.

    • @DSNCB919
      @DSNCB919 7 лет назад

      Greg Dimas is this a 2001 lexus? no....

    • @gregdimas3011
      @gregdimas3011 7 лет назад

      DSNCB919 ummmm, don't take my word for it, check Consumer Reports or Trurdelta

    • @DSNCB919
      @DSNCB919 7 лет назад

      Greg Dimas you believe everything on the Internet

  • @fitnessguru8012
    @fitnessguru8012 4 года назад +1

    "and all the baggage that comes with it"? Nice way to uplift and value the all important, irreplaceable, utterly priceless family.

  • @artemiscool67
    @artemiscool67 6 лет назад +10

    The Lexus sounds good, but the CTS-V sounds great.

  • @alexp5236
    @alexp5236 4 года назад +4

    Reliability beats everything

  • @mr.bigevil4042
    @mr.bigevil4042 7 лет назад +7

    Can you do a review on the 2017 Chevrolet ss? I heard its going to be discontinued after 2017 and now I am seriously contemplating getting it. It would be nice if you could do a review on the car. Thanks in advance!

  • @cadillac718bx36
    @cadillac718bx36 7 лет назад +9

    The V all day !

  • @the80386
    @the80386 7 лет назад +7

    Not a fan of the design direction Lexus is going these days, which is a shame as they're good at retaining value and being dependable. The looks are far too 'loud'. Lexus had a calm and quiet elegance about them that I appreciated a lot. most of their previous models aged quite well for that very reason. But I fear these designs will age badly as is the case with most style trends.

    • @RandenMontalvo
      @RandenMontalvo 6 лет назад +1

      80386 I feel they where to bland before, i became far more interested in Lexus now that they changed the design language. It was far to vanilla prior.

    • @RandenMontalvo
      @RandenMontalvo 2 года назад

      @MELLOW design taste is highly subjective, and i hear why you enjoyed their design but to me it was boring and the many at Lexus leadership stated that aswell it was becoming uninspired. The whole reason you have a a F brand is because the leadership felt people attributed Lexus to the senior demographic.

  • @hemmarket
    @hemmarket 4 года назад +1

    The part left out is that Lexus is significantly more reliable, therefore less costly in the long run. Plus Cadillacs like this are for pimps and gangsters. Lexus every time. Nice growl, doesn't piss off the neighbors, rides better and more quiet, and IT WILL STILL BE ON THE ROAD IN 10 YRS. I'm looking at the Lexus, but they are hard to find. I want to trade in my Porsche Macan, which is cool but VERY EXPENSIVE to maintain. $ 350. for an oil change and $2,200. for brakes also makes you think twice. Car has had $12K in warranty and $8 K in maintainence and repair and it just passed 30K miles. So you can understand why reliability is king.

  • @lashunb1247
    @lashunb1247 4 года назад +8

    Lexus all day more reliable damn the power

  • @icecold8974
    @icecold8974 3 года назад +1

    These two a honestly my favorite cars. I love them both equally.

  • @DeadofWinter321
    @DeadofWinter321 7 лет назад +10

    That Lexus is sexy as HELL! And will definitely be much more reliable than its competitor, the Cadillac.

    • @itsdarknot
      @itsdarknot 6 лет назад +3

      lol funny how you say a freaking toyota to the lexus but you don't say that the caddy is a fucking chevy which is far inferior to toyota in every way possible. You are acting like cadillac is a brand of its own like BMW or Mercedes Benz. Well it is not and its certainly not on par with those german brands. Cadillacs share more parts with chevrolet than Lexus shares with Toyota. Just saying ;)

  • @Sevan_UP
    @Sevan_UP 6 лет назад +1

    Cts-v is undoubtedly the head turner in this segment. Freaking badass design

  • @thugajay8
    @thugajay8 7 лет назад +59

    I'd take the gsf mainly for reliability and resale value.

    • @thugajay8
      @thugajay8 7 лет назад

      Juan Suarez also my personal preference.. I'm more for elegance than a big engine.

    • @johndessire399
      @johndessire399 7 лет назад +9

      Juan Suarez Cadillac v models hold their value very well.

    • @ARentz07
      @ARentz07 7 лет назад +2

      If he has over $80k to spend for the GS F, he could buy about 4 Nissan Versas and then renovate his kitchen. Not even in the ballpark of either the Caddy or the Lexus. I know you're exaggerating with this Versa example, but it's possible to buy a fun/performance/luxury car that holds value well.

    • @thugajay8
      @thugajay8 7 лет назад +1

      ARentz07 yea, after doing more research I found the cts's V models hold their value pretty well. I love the Caddy, it's an elegant beast. But my personal preference sways more towards the Lexus.

    • @ARentz07
      @ARentz07 7 лет назад +1

      Yeah, hope my comment wasn't unclear - I was just saying a Versa has no place in this conversation. But of course I would totally grab the GS F if it came down to it.

  • @willesco5211
    @willesco5211 5 лет назад +1

    U mean all those amazing toys/gadgets that come with it. As always well done, love all your videos , cant comment as much but I'll leave like instead. Keep it up the ill work your doing !!!

  • @Jumperman12mac
    @Jumperman12mac 7 лет назад +13

    i actually like the Lexus just for that simple high revving V8

  • @markhastings5811
    @markhastings5811 7 лет назад

    Dude, I am a mechanic and you definitely are really outstanding at speaking. Great video!

  • @ForTehNguyen
    @ForTehNguyen 7 лет назад +10

    can find used GSFs with under 5k miles for high 60s now, can be a nice pick up

    • @That8oySimba9302
      @That8oySimba9302 7 лет назад +1

      ForTehNguyen some people are getting new ones around 72-74K. Definitely a nice pick up. Initially overpriced but when they bring down the initial msrp, I can see them moving more. I'd love to get one.

    • @That8oySimba9302
      @That8oySimba9302 7 лет назад

      hell boy​ I can't say I personally know anyone who's bought a used M, AUG, RS model car. I mostly see them to be bought new (from the forums I visit) and people I talk to.
      But all these performance sedans lose value so used isn't a bad way to go if the car was treated properly. Idk what year and milage combination of a used M5 you'd be buying that give you $20k left over after purchase. But to each their own.

    • @That8oySimba9302
      @That8oySimba9302 7 лет назад

      hell boy I can't say I personally know anyone who's bought a used M, AUG, RS model car. I mostly see them to be bought new (from the forums I visit) and people I talk to.
      But all these performance sedans lose value so used isn't a bad way to go if the car was treated properly. Idk what year or milage combination of a used M5 you'd be buying that give you $20k left over after purchase. But to each their own.

    • @ForTehNguyen
      @ForTehNguyen 7 лет назад +7

      youre gonna need that 20k to keep repairing that M5

    • @DiaperSNiFFER
      @DiaperSNiFFER 5 лет назад

      ForTehNguyen maybe not sure how new bmw are in terms 9f maintenance

  • @baldheadlogic
    @baldheadlogic 7 лет назад +2

    Great Review Man...This is a hard choice....I like all of performance of the Cadillac. I like the potential long term reliability of the Lexus.

  • @g5magic
    @g5magic 4 года назад +8

    I picked GS-F for more reliable.

  • @noahschaub1984
    @noahschaub1984 3 года назад +2

    Cadillac interiors are laughably cheap in design and build quality compared to Lexus. I’ll take the Lexus any day for build quality and reliability. What fun is the fastest car when it’s always in the shop.

  • @maxtroy8511
    @maxtroy8511 7 лет назад +42

    Buy the Cadillac for "bragging rights" and to enjoy all that performance when you get on a track. But, how many owners of such luxury cars actually take their cars to the track and how many times of the year do they do so?
    Buy the Lexus for accessible everyday performance and to listen to the Cadillac owner's "bragging rights" while you're giving him a lift to work...because his car broke down.

    • @theredline
      @theredline  7 лет назад +6

      Technically the Cadillac owner would probably just use his dealer loaner ATS to get to work whenever his CTS-V is in the shop ;)

    • @UnitedRecording
      @UnitedRecording 7 лет назад +14

      Max Troy The Cadillac will not break down. Cadillac has higher reliability than Lexus.

    • @touna911
      @touna911 7 лет назад +8

      UnitedRecording get your fact straight a cadillac will never be as reliable to a lexus

    • @lanehart1918
      @lanehart1918 7 лет назад +13

      touna911 tell that to all of the Cadillacs with many hundreds of thousands of miles on them.

    • @masterccx
      @masterccx 7 лет назад +4

      you forgot too add " said no one ever!"

  • @TonyKimtheamusementparkfan
    @TonyKimtheamusementparkfan Год назад +1

    You can't go wrong with both, but I'd prefer the Lexus~~ You can't find many N/A V8 engines anymore, and Lexus has an amazing one with their 5.0L V8. Also I prefer the interior of the Lexus, because I love user friendly cars, and the Lexus definitely delivers that. The tech is definitely not as hard to use, while Cadillac's CUE in this car is just finicky.

  • @mulan6535
    @mulan6535 7 лет назад +3

    Love your videos!!! Thank you for your detailed comparisons!

  • @adrianesteves3260
    @adrianesteves3260 7 лет назад +1

    Everybody nagging over reliability issues. That lexus is a better reliable car over caddy. True. But people buying $90,000 cars don't give a fuck because their changing their cars every 2 -3 years.

  • @ethan12313
    @ethan12313 7 лет назад +8

    I like the caddy, but lexus takes it because of reliability and, resale value. That caddy look and sounds incredible though.

    • @KCMrecordings
      @KCMrecordings 6 лет назад

      Raptor 450 the v will hold more value in the long run. V series caddys are notorious for not depreciating. on top of that, they might be collectibles. Not so with the GS F

  • @a.okoronkwo311
    @a.okoronkwo311 4 года назад +2

    Idk where you get that techno music from in the beginning of the video but I love it 👌🏽

  • @JDMricist
    @JDMricist 7 лет назад +6

    5 liters and 467hp!? Damn, makes my 5.7l 405hp LS6 look like a pussy engine...

    • @panagiotisf7228
      @panagiotisf7228 7 лет назад +2

      JDMricist 5.7 ls6?

    • @theredline
      @theredline  7 лет назад +5

      That's advancement in technology my friend. To be fair though, your engine dates back to 2002 and it was a lot of power back then.

    • @JDMricist
      @JDMricist 7 лет назад +1

      +Redline Reviews Very true, but even now there aren't too many engines that are 400+ HP that aren't boosted in some way besides the LS7, LT1, and whatever is in the Mercedes C63 AMG. Well, I guess there are a few...

    • @JDMricist
      @JDMricist 7 лет назад

      +Panagiotis F Yup, that's what it says on my engine cover.

    • @siddharthyadav213
      @siddharthyadav213 7 лет назад

      just so u know the c63 is a twin turbo v8

  • @Need2Speedcartalk
    @Need2Speedcartalk 7 лет назад +1

    Very informative review. I have owned Cadillac's and Lexus, both manufacturers make a solid automobile. In my opinion the CTS V is more of a drivers purist car. I would like to see your review of the new Porsche Panamera turbo compared to the CTS V. Porsche has made some bold claims on how much better the newer generation Panamera is over the previous Generation which I currently own.

  • @thunderbear0
    @thunderbear0 7 лет назад +34

    *Lexus* is best

  • @Jia1337
    @Jia1337 7 лет назад +1

    On the track, CTS-V. Grand Touring, CTS-V. Driving, CTS-V.
    Owning, GS F.

  • @arnoldguisa9958
    @arnoldguisa9958 4 года назад +7

    I’d take the Lexus. Few times for the mechanic. 👍

  • @rael6974
    @rael6974 7 лет назад +1

    Bro I love your vids. You're my go to source now on vehicle reviews.

  • @absolutelyr4ndom_120
    @absolutelyr4ndom_120 6 лет назад +3

    Ah would you look at that. My 2 dream cars sitting gorgeously next to each other❤

  • @captainamerica9353
    @captainamerica9353 4 года назад +1

    The Caddy is an American icon, much better looking, and lots more power!

  • @EdwardSinclair
    @EdwardSinclair 7 лет назад +11

    500+ HP is ridiculous on the streets. Unless you like going to the track it's pointless! I don't care about bragging rights!
    IMO I would pick up the Lexus, I like the interior better, and the overall look and feel of the Lexus is better for me.
    Lexus is also much nicer when you turn up for a meeting.
    In the UK, most big US saloons (sedans) have a bad rep.They make guys seem like they are overcompensating for a lack of other things... if you catch my drift.

  • @telliesmith9825
    @telliesmith9825 7 лет назад +1

    That's why they make the cts-v sport. the cts-v is balls out go hard or go home car love it ill take either one of the cts

  • @Mrrossthaboss2000
    @Mrrossthaboss2000 7 лет назад +11

    Wait so you said the GS-F wasn't intended to take on more powerful cars like the M3 but now you're making a vs video of it against the much more powerful CTS-V?

  • @paulcondie2520
    @paulcondie2520 4 года назад +1

    People, don't forget the v handles like its on rails! Not just a straight line car by far!!!

  • @tgenesis8784
    @tgenesis8784 7 лет назад +11

    I like them both the CTS-V is a beast, it sound so mean with those gorgeous looks. The GSF I love the red interior and the sound when it's being push throw the speakers, but the V will age better than the GSF!

    • @ricky-sanchez
      @ricky-sanchez 4 года назад +5

      It'll age in your drive way when you blow the super charger. Or a connecting rod.

    • @tgenesis8784
      @tgenesis8784 4 года назад +2

      @@ricky-sanchez And the GS is know for blowing motors, so what's your point?

    • @TemplateAgarioFab
      @TemplateAgarioFab 4 года назад +2

      @@tgenesis8784 Lol what? GS v8 much more reliable.

    • @wanyelewis9667
      @wanyelewis9667 Год назад +1

      ​@T Genesis no it isn't. Lexus V6 & V8 engines are as reliable as anything made anywhere today.

  • @aaronvillagomes9812
    @aaronvillagomes9812 4 года назад +2

    Quality over quantity for me. Yes the Caddy has more balls and looks sharper but the Lexus will outlast it any day.

  • @HPM2024
    @HPM2024 7 лет назад +68

    Lexus all day.

    • @vernonprice5986
      @vernonprice5986 7 лет назад +2

      And your profile pic is an S4. You really like slow, underpowered yet horribly overpriced cars, don't you?

    • @HPM2024
      @HPM2024 7 лет назад +5

      Vernon Price The S4 does 0-60 in 4.4 stock with a 333hp V6. That's not slow, bud. You clearly don't know what the S4 is. It's also under $60k. It's built to a higher standard than a Cadillac, better quality materials, better build-quality and it has solid reliability. Audi dominates on interior quality. You just can't beat the Germans. Cadillac is GM garbage. Literally don't sell and they're cheap as hell on the inside and have very poor reliability. Yet you wanna lecture me? Lmao. Learn about cars a little. The GS isn't as quick, but that's not all that matters. The GS is the better car all around in my opinion. Don't like it? Tough shit.

    • @vernonprice5986
      @vernonprice5986 7 лет назад +1

      Caleb Chapman And like a typical Audi owner, you don't acknowledge HOW it can do 0-60 in 4.4 seconds. it's called AWD. 0-60 is a measurement of TRACTION, not performance. That's why C&D uses a 5-60 rollout, because they know that stupid people don't understand the difference AWD makes in the 0-60 metric,
      Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
      Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.1 sec
      huh, guess it's not that fast when it's not allowed to use an AWD launch.
      Standing ¼-mile: 13.2 sec @ 107 mph
      Oh yeah. The S4 is SO FAST. Can't get into the 12s even WITH the help of AWD.
      "It's also under $60k. It's built to a higher standard than a Cadillac, "
      It's much less reliable than a Cadillac, son. Audi is notorious for being unreliable.
      "better quality materials, better build-quality and it has solid reliability. "
      All bullshit. Especially the materials, were you not aware the CTS-V is made with aluminum, magnesium and carbon fiber? Maybe you should pull your head out of Audi's ass for two seconds and educate yourself.
      "Audi dominates on interior quality."
      Too bad magazines don't test for that, huh?
      "You just can't beat the Germans. Cadillac is GM garbage. "
      You keep telling yourself that as any V series Cadillac blows your doors off and becomes a small spot in the distance. I had a guy in an S4 try to race me the other day, it was hilarious. I passed him like he was standing still. He was SO MAD.
      "Literally don't sell "
      Well now all you're doing is proving you don't know what the word "literally" means. You're literally proving that.
      Also the CTS-V actually sold completely out, and now there is a 4 month waiting list for it. That seems like the opposite of "literally not selling".
      "Yet you wanna lecture me? "
      I like to lecture anybody that exhibits your level of stupidity. You know, Audi fanboys who think Audis are faster than every other car on the planet because they don't understand why or how AWD artificially inflates their 0-60 numbers. You guys are all idiots.
      "The GS isn't as quick, but that's not all that matters."
      The GS F is MUCH slower, not just a little bit, and it also handles worse, as proven by the way the CTS-V smacks it around like a bitch on the track. But hey, at least it costs the same amount of money while being so much slower.
      And nobody cares about your opinion, kid. Your opinion is worthless.

    • @vernonprice5986
      @vernonprice5986 7 лет назад

      Caleb Chapman "Obviously you care. You took the time to comment, didn't you?"
      I care about correcting your stupidity, I don't care about your opinion since it's irrelevant due to your vast ignorance.
      "I never said Audis are faster than anything out there."
      I didn't say you said that. What are you, illiterate? Read what I said again, then try again.
      "They are absolutely built better"
      They are absolutely not built better. Here's an example.
      d1arsn5g9mfrlq.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/2015%20VDS%20Slide1_0.jpg
      Audis are absolutely notorious for having major issues, lemon law buybacks, quality issues and reliability issues.
      "Cadillac on the other hand... They don't sell."
      Is this your illiteracy rearing its ugly head again? What part of "The CTS-V sold out and there is a 4 moth waiting list for it now" did you not understand?
      "The CTS and ATS both have very poor sales numbers "
      See the part about the CTS-V actually selling completely out of stock again. Try to absorb that information.
      "Keep telling yourself that Cadillac is a world class luxury brand."
      I never actually said anything even vaguely close to that, but do Cadillac's V series cars absolutely beat the shit out of everything Audi has to offer in the same class? Absolutely, and usually for VASTLY less money.
      "All that extra displacement and power and they still have V6's with less power keeping up or smoking them. "
      That's kind of a vague statement. Does Audi make a V6 that comes anywhere near beating any V series Cadillac? Of course they don't. Of course not. The S4 has a 3 liter V6 that makes 333 HP. LOL? Cadillac's 3.6L V6 makes 464 HP and 445 lb-ft. You should spend more time in reality, son.
      "There are much better performers out there than some rebadged Chevy junk."
      Like what? Also, which rebadged Chevy do you think the CTS-V is?
      "It won't hold its value or last, so enjoy that. "
      Go ahead and look up used CTS-Vs on autotrader. Get back to me with what you find. And we already know Cadillacs are more trustworthy than Audis.
      "Lol. Measured by traction??"
      Actually what I said was a measurement of traction. You really are illiterate, aren't you? And yes, that's exactly what the 0-60 metric is. It is 100% dependent on traction, which gives AWD an automatic advantage. Which is why idiots like you cite 0-60 times.
      "0-60 times absolutely are a measure of performance"
      Well no they aren't, as the 0-60 metric is completely subject to traction. Not performance. Traction. Which explains why your slow-ass S4 got anywhere near the mid-4 second range 0-60, because as I already proved, its ACTUAL speed is above 5 seconds as proven by the 5-60 rollout test.
      The fact that you're still confused about this is only proving that your head is up your ass.
      "Again, if my opinion doesn't matter"
      Of course it doesn't matter, your opinion is based on complete bullshit. Everything you say is instant throwaway.
      " Your little rant made zero sense "
      Just because you have the IQ of a fence post doesn't mean my "little rant" didn't make sense. Your inability to understand it isn't my problem. It's your problem.

    • @johnlightbody9942
      @johnlightbody9942 7 лет назад

      Nissan have developed a 3 Cylinder 1.4L engine providing 415bhp weighs just 75lbs while giving proper decent economic urban driving. Average US car has urban combo of 20-30mpg in this day in age that's disgusting!

  • @TheAcbro357
    @TheAcbro357 4 года назад +2

    Great video, gimme the Caddy please.

  • @Sickram916
    @Sickram916 7 лет назад +6

    Lexus would always have better reliability and resale value hands down

  • @MrTyphoonracer
    @MrTyphoonracer 7 лет назад +1

    Cadillac all day! just the sound is enough to choose it over the lexus

  • @thesobertruth8271
    @thesobertruth8271 4 года назад +7

    I am definitely going with the CTS-V!!!! Hands down

  • @craigcaron3367
    @craigcaron3367 4 года назад +2

    Lexus= Longevity
    Cadillac = Endless money pit

  • @Mall_Crawling_X
    @Mall_Crawling_X 5 лет назад +3

    CTS-V all the way, that exhaust sound fuuuuuuq

  • @sirghost1432
    @sirghost1432 Год назад +1

    I like the CTSV. But the over all quality of a Lexus can't be beat. I could see a GSF at 200k miles without out being a money pit compared to the CTSV. Especially with all the things I hear from my Tech buddy at Cadillac.

  • @spinQubit
    @spinQubit 7 лет назад +9

    pretty cool comparison Soyfan. For 25k less and less time spent at the dealership I'd have to go with the lexus. I also don't have enough self control to not go to jail for driving the caddy like a maniac.

    • @rael6974
      @rael6974 7 лет назад

      spinQubit 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @KCMrecordings
      @KCMrecordings 7 лет назад +1

      They both price about the same, what are you talking about

    • @eurosonly
      @eurosonly 5 лет назад

      @@KCMrecordings He's talking about long term reliability with the CTS-V. Lexus is the number one reliable luxury car in the world and always has been. Cadillac is not even on the top ten list.

    • @KCMrecordings
      @KCMrecordings 5 лет назад

      @@eurosonly read his and my comment again. He said 25k difference, that's what I was asking about. Also, this caddy has an Lt1 ls engine in it. It's one of the most reliable engines ever made.

  • @charlessands7649
    @charlessands7649 5 лет назад +2

    “Acquire a spouse, kids and all the baggage that comes with it...” that was morbid.

  • @shellcasing1040
    @shellcasing1040 7 лет назад +20

    Lexus GS F FTW.

  • @s50201
    @s50201 7 лет назад +1

    I'm a Toyota guy but GM hit a strong one w/ the CTS-V. If the GS-F had the Infiniti-like design language & better suspension tuning it might be a closer match. Lexus is getting better but they still seem to miss some obvious marks.