Battle to hunt in Sweden’s Arctic | DW Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- Who owns the land of the reindeer? The indigenous Sami people? Or all Swedish people?
The decision of the country’s top court to award exclusive hunting and fishing rights to Sami in one 19-mile strip of land has prompted an outcry.
For the Sami people, the Supreme Court ruling was an historic moment - the culmination of a decade-long legal battle. Yet it is one that has sparked outrage among some non-indigenous hunters and anglers. Sweden’s top judges conferred exclusive fishing and small game hunting rights to the Sami in the village of Girjas Sameby, persuaded by their argument that Sami people had been hunting, fishing and grazing reindeer here since time immemorial until the Swedish state came and took away more and more land.
Some 20,000 to 40,000 Sami people live in Sweden. Almost 5,000 own reindeer, including Ylva Sarri’s family. She hails the judgement, arguing that the Swedish hunters frighten the reindeer with their dogs and hinder the Sami’s work. The indigenous people regularly capture and slaughter the animals to sell their meat and hides. Joachim Almgren is one of Sweden’s 300,000 hunters who fears the ruling will greatly restrict his hunting opportunities. Both hunting and fishing are very popular leisure activities in Sweden. There are fears other Sami communities could follow the example of Girjas Sameby and take their cases to court. The long-simmering conflict now threatens to escalate. What is more important: the wellbeing of the reindeer and the livelihoods of the Sami people, or the Swedish people’s right to hunt?
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I am enjoying the beautiful northern Sweden landscape in this doc.
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Such a wonderful surprise to rediscover a place I haven't seen since 1973, Kiruna. It wasn't more than a central snow covered place in the middle of the town, with only a very few wood construction buildings. This was where the Rail line ended, and if you wanted to go further, it was Snow Shoes from there on. (The people were very proud to tell us that it was the biggest city in the world. Of course you could see nothing but snow for kilometers, but they assured us that the city boundaries were already in place, even if they'd not been filled in as yet.) In the distance one could see the mountain where the Iron mine was located and the orange sun straining desperately to peek up, barely making it over the horizon, for a total of three hours a day, before darkness swallowed us once more. It was a magical experience. The temperature was a crisp minus 33 degrees below zero, Celsius. Even the snow crackled in agony under our feet with the chill. Thank you for this possibility to revisit and rediscover a place, that lives in my mind, as one of my most treasured memories. Sweden is a vey beautiful country, but its far north landscape is beyond indescribably beautiful.
I hope the debate over "land rights" will be solved in an intelligent manner. The land belongs to the reindeer. They are part of the nature there. Those who care for and live with the reindeer, should have the final say as to how that natural resource is managed. Those who live with and care for the reindeer, should be given the legal right to oversee the use of those same lands. We have a similar debate here in the US with our indigenous people of the Dakotas, who don't want oil pipelines running across their tribal land and copper / uranium mines defacing and desecrating their holy burial grounds. The land belongs to the indigenous peoples and their way of life. As the treaty(s) once said: "...as long as the wind blows, and grass grows..and the waters flow.", but sadly those words have not been kept. Unfortunately, indigenous peoples everywhere, have been casually brushed aside by the whims of "progress", because they live by life codes which dismiss the economic. Their life view is higher than that. They have already paid the price of being marginalized, must they and their culture also be trampled into the dust with total disregard?
I am glad that the people in Stockholm have realized the same truth. "Why are you building roads and Rail Roads where the reindeer have roamed for millennia?" The local Gov in Kiruna, the Mayor, seem to see things from a slightly skewed perspective, hoping for future "tourist monies" to flood the local economy. I disagree with his analogy of "other people" coming from other countries into Sweden, should have equal rights and everyone is equal etc. Of course, this sounds like democracy, but it is a false premiss. If you have been self-governing in your own country, and others arrive who wish to "join the club", they must conform to your rules. That was how it was to live in Sweden when I was there. His analogy only serves to divide people. It sounds like he's trying to describe the indigenous peoples of northern Sweden as "foreigners". The "Them and us", concept. He's afraid that this will set a precedent for other Sami towns to do the same. I hope they do.This should be about respect for the indigenous peoples, their land and their culture. The hunter and his dogs, also comes from the point of view that, as long as he pays taxes in Sweden, (and there are a lot of them), he should have the right to use other people's land as he sees fit for his enjoyment. There is by the way, an unwritten law in Sweden called "Allamansrett". Which simply means, you don't need to ask permission to cross over someone's property, for a stroll or to pick berries or the like, understanding that you will not damage the property. But we are talking about natural resources, the Reindeer and the wildlife of the area, not berries.This has nothing to do with taxation either. The Sami photographer, and the "Horse Tourist Guide" pay taxes too, but they're not talking about taxes, but the survival of their culture. Here in the US, if I want to hunt on a piece of private property, 1.) you need to procure a hunting license. And, 2.) you must first ask permission to use the land, from the owner. This shouldn't be about "the economy" but about the preservation of something, that once it is gone, you can never have it back again. As I stand with my Lakota brothers and sisters here in the states, I stand with my Sami brothers and sisters in the north. Thank you for this wonderful Doc. DW rocks!
Well, thank you for breaking this whole thing down. I understand better now what's happening.
@@LivingOnPurpose1 Glad my info was of some interest. It was just so nice to see it again.
Awesome, informative documentary as always DW!
So the head of the municipal council in Kiruna Gunnar Selberg owns his own tourism business (name of the company: Kiruna Guidetur). That makes him incredibly bias in the matter. I can understand it’s a tough fight for the Sami.
Also I can not really see his logic in “90 % of the Sami do not own reindeer - therefor we should not protect those very few who still keep the culture going”.
Also adding to it - the Swedish state far from support the Sami like Mr Selberg makes it sound like. It is the state that allows the mining companies to destroy enormous areas of reindeer lands.
The hunter we follow also says that his dogs are very well behaved and that he wants a “harmony”. But he seems only to mean that “harmony” is his right to hunt everywhere. His dogs may very well be obedient, but how do you differ a “well behaved dog” who is selective not to have interest in reindeer from a hunting dog that will put a scare in the reindeer and even try to take down calves?
Also he and his friend try to make people believe that they think that soon no one will be able to experience the outdoors anymore. Quite a big difference between walking around in nature - which will never stop due to the “all-mans-right” that exist in Sweden - and bringing a rifle to hunt the animals in the area.
I also want to add to that in the end the speaker voice says that this is a dispute between the Sami and the non indigenous swedes. The main part of the swedes live in the southern quarter of the country and in general have a positive view of the Sami. The amount of “non indigenous swedes” that have a problem with the natives are a few hundreds that live in the area close by the Sami villages that feel that it is more important that they have the “right” to hunt in every part of the surrounding nature than to protect the ancient and unique native population of the country. Not to mention how much hatred, threats and abuse the Sami has to stand from these people while the municipal council turns the blind eye.
So you like racist laws which literally creates a legal difference depending on your blood line? All Swedes including sami should be governed by the exact same law in my opinion. Its strange to see how liberal and left leaning people promote racism.
@@dpie4859 all swedes should forget about racist bloodlines and follow global laws and governance and must respect mass refugee immigration into sweden.
@@dpie4859 Sami is not a race, they welcoming you to come and live with them, so it's a social class. for Sami it's food, for a hunter it's entertainment. There are millions laws that grant some rights or responsibilities on one or another social class.
@@dpie4859 It is not racist to want to stop hunting in a protected area. It has nothing to do with racism. Just using the word racist to scare people away from the discussion is “left-winged” manners if anything .
“In July 2018, the European Parliament voted on its first report on the rights of indigenous peoples in the world, calling for their rights to be fully protected, including their land, territories and resources.”
The lands are protected after decisions made in the European Union.
@@dpie4859 I do not think is rasism. In fact it is the management of big herds of animals that needs a lot of land. For instance, in US, native Red-Skined people managed well the bison herds. When the colonist arrived in America the bison herds went down from 30 million to 325 in 1884. It took a big effort to reintroduce the specie again in large preerie of US (up to 500,000 today). They still have difficult problems with genetic endowment and other issues. So, Swedes should be happy to have big herds of healthy reindeer and allow a management that proved to be positive for centuries. Some small restriction in order to preserve the herds of reindeer could be accepted.
This reminds me of a visit to Kiruna a couple of years ago. Beautiful scenery in the arctic circle.
My children loved seeing your video, as did I. Please share more of our heritage!
Interesting documentary n thoroughly enjoyed.👍👍
DW documentary, I simply love you. Keep up the good work!
Nature preserved amazingly.
Great documentary!
Thank you DW.
All should agree to coexist to live an enjoyable life after all.
People should really consider coming up here , to the NORTH when they have the chance and visit. Just make sure you visit NORWAY at the very TOP of Scandinavia.
Who is better, Norway, Sweden or Finland?
@@TomNook. sweden it is the capital of Scandina. Btw Finland isnt in Scandinavia technically.
@@mossablahmaza Snacka ur skägget
@@TomNook. All of them are unique and very beautiful
@@TomNook. Northern Britain and Scotland are also very beautiful. None are the best. They are all stunning places to visit and go walking around the wilderness. Scotland has been massively reforested to put back what was chopped down over the last century. There is plans to reintroduce wolves also.
Fantastic documentary video. Lives in there are really different from lives and living in here tropical area.
Great doc
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Please make documentary about swat valley which is very beautiful
Reindeer herding is pretty recent thing, in greater extent only few hundred years old. Sami were hunters and fishers thousands of years, not reindeer herders.
Yes, however the native peoples of northern Siberia such as Yukaghirs and Chukchi (eastern areas) were engaged in reindeer husbandry much earlier. They were joined and absorbed by Evens and Evenks around the 2nd century and later, between 9th and 15th centuries, by much more numerous Yakuts. Most of those immigrants moved north from the Baikal Lake area avoiding confrontations with Mongols.
@@_robustus_ I was referring to the area of Nordic countries and Sami people. But that's very informative, i didn't know about reindeer husbandry there. But makes sense considering the environment they were living in.
its mostly happen in the world from hunting to domesticating
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That’s why some thought the Saami were originally northeast Asians who intermarried with Europeans for centuries.
Our civilization is pretty recent thing. Especially, the North of Europe in general were hunter gatherers longer than the South
picking up a puppy from joachims dog Tara first week in septmeber this year : ) such a loving good trainer and a good person ! : )
The Saami were hunter-gatherer-fishers prior to the 10th century or so, however the native peoples of northern Siberia such as Yukaghirs and Chukchi (eastern areas) were engaged in reindeer husbandry much earlier. They were joined and absorbed by Evens and Evenks around the 2nd century and later, between 9th and 15th centuries, by much more numerous Yakuts. Most of those immigrants moved north from the Baikal Lake area avoiding confrontations with Mongols.
I don’t mean to infer that the Saami should not have their rights. I just like to get something out of that anthropology degree I got...
@@_robustus_ So, claiming that they ran reindeer in Sweden for thousands of years is quite untrue then
I think the fundamental conflict is not recognizing man"s place in nature and the commercial greed. In many societies people have forgotten that no one owns nature, we as humans are a part of the nature as much as the reindeers and trees and every blade of grass or rivers... I think it is OK to hunt for food, but not for sport (at least for me). I think all people shown in this documentary probably love nature in their own way and based on their understanding. Such conflicts can be minimized if these topics are discussed and taught in the school system, so young people grow up learning and respecting each others values, cultures and histories. We are all here as custodians of nature so we can turn it over to the next generation better than what we received. It is a shame that Sami like other first nations the world over have been systematically discriminated against and their culture, language and histories that make Sweden, Finland, and Norway much richer. I think the first step should be an honest heartfelt discussion of the past and the inequities and creating a multigenerational roadmap of education and fair sharing of resources not for commercial exploitation but for living in harmony with other elements of nature. I am available to be the new Mayor! Just kidding Sweden has too high of taxes.
The thing is that Sweden is violating a law calle ILO169 that they them self made otver country sign for ther indiginuos people but would not sign them slef becuse then they coud not open all the mines. And when they promoted the Jobs in the mines they said your allowed to Hunt on sami ground. Smal animal hunting was relesed from 1980 and took away the exklusiv rights from the sami. Sorry for the bad english :)
its good they are preserving nature that way
“We are Swedes, we live in Sweden and we pay taxes in Sweden . The state owns the land and we are the state “. Exactly
They should have showed how much the Sami rely on Swedish tax payers to survive.
Your country is so beautiful. I hope to go and visit for leisure for a few weeks. If I go I will want to stay for ever most likely...lol
You can own a land and still have no right to hunt
Have never heard of the Sami people before. One does learn something new everyday I suppose!
@@enneaf1676 but she still is a Sami good for her good lassie. We now love Sami people in Scotland 🏴
@@James-uh1is When I was there, it was referred to in Sweden as "Lapp-land". It actually runs horizontally across the north of Scandinavia across Finland and into Russia. Sami is their language and culture, if I remember correctly.
I love the olafur arnalds in the background
So relaxed life
Love DW documentaries. This one is beautiful, the Saami people are similar to the reindeer Chukchi people of Arctic.
They better hope there's no oil up there.
LOL dont mention it see what happend to Norway the just drill oil.😅
@Marcus Olofzon It's the biggest mine that is undergroud. Not the biggest in the world.
One thing that I don’t understand is how much does the hunter kill between August & March? Does he eat all that game?
Hi,
Generally you dont harvest that much game on a hunt like this. The birds you do harvest do not affect the population that much either.
What do effect the population on a larger scale is the amount of predators in the area such as arctic foxes and how hard the winter is.
he said he sells it he doesn't waste it.
i have friend from Sweden from Sami people. Fist time I thought he was a half asian-half white sweden, but he told me he come from indigenious tribe of Sami. He is the most beautiful man i've ever met.
I also saw a girl with Sami roots, she has slanted blue eyes, white skin and light blond hair. So beautiful and different. I read that all indigenous around the world came from Asia in the past, that is why they have slanted eyes.
Ugly facial structures those laps got, literal bowling balls lol.
Amazing work, thank you, from a swede.
This is a original a Arte Production .
How quaint to call this a conflict. I guess that's what we call it when one culture completely subjugates another, eliminating a way of life.
Frozen II was ahead of its time..
I know these people. The sami have not been hearding reindeer for thousands of years. Hearding reindeer is a historically recent method. Wild reindeer have,on the other hand, been hunted by several other ethnic people for thousands of years
Sweden is such a beautiful country. I wish I could live there.
sweden is far from paradise as media tries to portray it, sweden is just a social experiment. born and raised but im moving from this sinking ship because everything our past generations built up is ruined by self-serving politicians. and good luck getting friends as a foreigner swedes are super reserved
It’s a very interesting topic. I believe that the Sami deserve to make to make SOME decisions in terms of their land, but I also feel the government should have part in it. In order to coexist effectively, one has to have all parties at the table for discussion. Including the hunters.
government stole the land, like america did with native americans.
Reindeer herding is a Swedish colonistic project from the 19th century. They slaughtered the native reindeer together with the Sami people and brought the domesticated herds in their place.
According to ILO, indigenous livelihood is when the culture was formed prior to the colonisation. The Swedish colonised Lapland 150 years before the Sami started herding reindeer.
Actually theres evidence that the Sapmí people herded reindeer at least from the 700's, with larger scale reindeer herding starting in the 15th century. The evidence can be seen in the English Royal court.
@@lezzeti it wasn’t really herding then, it was just some reindeers kept like cattle. In Finland for example the herd was 80 reindeers in 1600s. They had more cows than reindeer. It was only later on when the herding started and the herds were in thousands.
Everybody in Lapland was keeping captive reindeer, captive in a leash to milk, but not herds.
And you do realise "Lapland" means land of the Lappi people. They are Savo tribe, not Sapmi tribe. Both indigenous to this land, and arrived to the Finnish peninsula 4000 years ago as one people.
Savo people still have indigenous bloodlines. The Sapmi are nowadays mostly Germanic Swedish bloodline, nothing to do with the actual indigenous people who arrived first, except for language and some ethnic traditions.
@ Then you're mistaking the settlers and farmers of Kemi for Sami people. The farmers and other settlers combined reindeer herding with cows and other cattle. But they were not Sami people. And the wealthier farmers could have up to 80 reindeer, both male and female. (Source: Tegengren (1952), p. 134-135)
Kill to live. Never opposite way.
I think the general issue is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be part of the swedish state and get all the subsidies and modern comforts provided by the state. But at the same time they want large swaths of the country for themselves but still have swedish state to pay for it and run it to their liking.
Finland, Norway and Sweden could give up some land and provide basis for Sami country, but i'm 150% certain that Sami wouldn't accept such deal, because it would lower their standard of living considerably, even though they would then control the lands 100%.
What are the distinct visual difference between the Sami people and regular Swedes?
In physical appearance? None
A few of them look asian and quite different from Swedes, but many are mixed today like many of us.
@Amalie Olsdatter Thanks Amelia. Since viewing the video, I have red so much about the Saami, that I now consider myself, a Brooklyn, New York, African American man a Saami expert! I am eagerly awaiting the end of the COVID-19 restrictions to make a trip to Sweden, where I can acquire first-hand experience of Saami culture. Enjoy your summer, Amalie.
Saami's are basically white mongols.
0:00 santa . . . Duh
As a Swede myself I find it pretty important that people understand that Sami people aren't indigenous in the same way as Native Americans or something.
They're indigenous to *northern* Sweden but it's pretty obvious that we arrived to the country around the same time because of people migrating north after the last ice age melted and with time uncovered more and more land.
So there were obviously nobody claiming that land before, the Swedes just stayed mostly in the southern half of Sweden.
Customary rights. We have this here in New Zealand. I am a of the first people’s in New Zealand, Aotearoa a member of one of a number of Maori tribes. Some tribes or iwi have customary rights over ancestral lands. The tribal members can gather food from their land they have occupied since before colonisation. I hope the Sami people can retain rights over their ancestral land
It's not their ancestral land it's both. We have coexisted for over 10k years and share the same DNA. The south had their culture and the Sami (in the north) had their culture. 700 years ago the "Swedes" created Sweden and the sami are a part of it. They lived their life we lived ours. it wasnt until the last 100 years the Swedish goverment started to treat them badly and not respecting the Sami culture. That is definetly something that they did wrong and is getting correct as the sami are getting heard. However that dosent give them the sole right to the land. For the last 700 years its the "Swedes" who have protected that land from other countries. We didn't come in as strangers and took their land we where here the whole time.
Now as I see "Swedes" and Sami as the same people, because Sami are apart of us and we are to them. We are both Swedish. We should both be able to coexist on the same land.
So the hunters, herders and hikers need to get along otherwise one is stepping on the other ones toes.
The Sami people in Sweden recently kicked out Bill Gates when he wanted to conduct an experiment in Kiruna northern Sweden by sending up big balloons with chalk dust to black out the sun! Great people! They are Sweden's native Indians.
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I believe everyone (native or non-native) Swedes should have the right to participate in hunting so-long as they adhere to all rules and regulations of the native and state laws that regulate this practice
But Sami grew this reindeer that you want to kill and moreover, scare the rest of the herd with loud noices and dogs that females can miscarry.
Sweden is voilating a international law called ilo169 withch sweden made other counties sign but didint want to sign themself. EU has complaing how sweden is brekaing international law by doing this but the mony from the mines makes them look the other way.
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ilike to think the dispute not too extreme ☺
The term "non-indigenous Swedish" is completely preposterous, the nation of Sweden is a relatively new thing but the same nordic race of people have lived in Scandinavia since the ice started thawing, allowing more and more of Scandinavia to be settled. The Sami came a few thousand years after.
What about saving the reindeers ?
For thousand of years, people have been conquering and reconquering lands,
who were the people before the Sami? The land should be regulated by the state for
the benefit of all, this is like creating a state within a state, which will cause animosity
Claiming I was here first and have all the rights to the land is supremacist thinking. What if someone in south Sweden says, you're from Syria or Iraq and cannot hunt here? "Morally we have the right" says the Sami, and the consequence of that is Sami have no rights in Southern Sweden!? Rethink, Sweden is multi-ethnic!
The Sami were there first and the courts have decided they have the right to the land. It’s irrelevant to talk about someone from Syria or wherever. Hunting is extremely regulated in Sweden as you know. And the country is massive. Hunting is not a right for everybody hence the licenses and regulations for all. Big deal.
If you wish Sweden to be multi-ethnic you should have an interest in preserving our ancient native Sami culture.
This is not a discussion about whether people should be allowed in areas where the Sami heard their reindeer, but only whether is should be allowed to go hunting there - which is not a “human right”.
The Sami were the first on the land so their language, culture and way of life should be preserved. The Swedish have taken most of the Sami land so the little they’ve should be protected.
Do Sami want to be a part of Sweden? Just because they have no nuclear bombs you disregard their independence?
The reindeer is their culture and food, not entertainment.
@@AnnaKaunitz "The Sami were there first and"
negative . They're a nomadic culture, they owned no land and they didn't even reach Scandinavia until thousands of years after the indo European germanic population had been there.
I thought hunting was not allowed anymore. Or is that only in Australia.
They demand unreasonable amounts of land for what they do, to think that few thousand people would decide who is allowed on 1/3 of the land in a country of millions. There's no harm in fishing or hunting among them.
It's not their land though, its the Sami's
They were there first
@@fruitjuice5672 Then all of England should be welsh, and all american nations shall be eradicated.
Hunting is only necessary and should be used when the population of animals gets out of control. But the sámi already control the growth, so unnecessary hunting hurts the ecosystem.
"The best for the reindeer" certainly can't be being slaughtered for profit.
Or artificially inseminated.
Ha! I read the opening page "land of the deer" I instantly said "SWEDEN"
5:37 - I dunno, friend.... maybe one of those pretty Swedish girls. :D
I don't agree with the sami woman saying they are the indigenous people of Sweden, the term indigenous is overrated, somebody also was there before them
And swedes are also indigenous to Sweden
@Elivinture B.S!
The Scandinavian countries and northern Britain are so very beautiful. The landscapes and mountains are wonderful. With climate change here and getting much worse we are going to see these landscapes change dramatically. By 2050 we will have a northern African climate and lose so much of the wildlife along with the indigenous plants and trees. So sad if we don't change how we live drastically and very quickly. In Britain they have plenty of rainfall so there is plenty of drinking water however all this could be lost also. That really worries me because in a warmer world we have less water and already less than 1% globally is drinking water. Desalination plants are very expensive and are energy intensive. This would make drinking water expensive when it should be very cheap in northern climates. Things have got to change before it is simply too late.
Climate change is BS and as you know our earth is constantly changing on its own over hundreds of years.... we had so much snow in pa that this climate change.... where is it? Gore said we would be under water by 2020 and here we are still here.... you think that money drives this climate change theory?
@@axlerodthegreatbauman6763 Climate change is real! Anthropogenic climate change can be shown to be true as the data clearly shows this. It is a fact because it can be shown to be true! How much Arctic sea ice have we lost in the last 30 yrs? Where has all the multi yr ice gone for the arctic..? To only need to look at the satellite data to clearly see the changes and the ground data shows this even more graphically. Do you even know what is meant by climate change..? Looks like you don't understand but that's ok because most people do. Denial isn't working anymore!
@@MICKEYISLOWD so I guess the warming of our planet and the ice age is all BS.... our climate is constantly changing and we all owe it to Mother Nature. If you listen to al gore back in 2000 and here we are 2021 and the ice and the ocean is all still where it belongs. We just got over 40” of snow this winter in PA...... can you explain that?
calm down, dooms day prophet.
This is a tough one. I understand the Sami's viewpoint. But I also understand that if the state legitimately owns the land, then the people of Sweden own the land. No easy answers here IMHO.
Hard to justify ownership of land.
The Swedish government suppressed their culture,language,identity...
And just forcibly absorbed their land for state use without taking in consideration the Sami people's way of life nor their right to it.
Swedish Hunters may feel slighted now but historically they were the unjust winners of these policies applied that the Sami nowadays are actually considered within the picture I belive is great news for Swedish democracy.
A comprise could be reach but Sami due to how badly things have been handled on the past should be the most benefited group concerning the Swedish artic lands.
wrong,nobody should own the land of all the people,not even the state. all humans should be caretakers of all lands around the world,and look after it,but all humans give too much power to the state to look after the land,that they offer contracts to big buisness corporations that exploit the lands for the very few, even politicians getting big fat rewards for offering contracts. how can anyone own the land if they were not the first people humans to be on the land. so thats why all humans of the land should be the caretakers of the land ,and not the state or goverment,its for all to enjoy when they need it.
@@brianmcconnell3304 Not at all, that would just be problematic. Some would use the caretakers for their own advantage.
@@quiquemarquez3211 Easy to say for an outsider. I live in the north of Sweden, I have a big respect for the sami culture however they are just people. Some of them are good people some aren't.
Many samis use their identity as a minority to keep us from nature even if we have spend more time in it than many of them. Their past oppression does not remain and they should be judged as any other individual. Of course their culture should remain by letting them have some land, but they shouldn't be judged as more relevant than others.
Lappland ❤️
Raindear hearding is one of the most sustainable and animal friendly and delicious ways of rearing meat.
Keeping it as it is should be protected
@Amalie Olsdatter Well the bear population in norway is like this Finnmark 49( reindeer area) hedmark 44 south of norway and then Trøndelag 32.
So going by this its actually reindeer areas who have the biggest bear population. (Forsking.no 2019) and also the place where the population of bear is growing the most is Finnmark, having 6 bear litters a year, should we compair to the other areas?
So Hedmark 3, Møre og Romsdal ink Trøndelag 3 Nordland 1. and Finnmark, Nordland and a very small part of Trøndelag have reindeer.
If U want we can look at other big predators like lynx etc
@Amalie Olsdatter the artic Fauna is changing due to climate and the growth of trees such as pine, that leads to moss and such growth suffocate. The tree line is also moving up due to warmer climate.
One of the biggest challenges for norwegian reindeer husbandry is mining, railroads and wind farms leaving the areas close to a rock desert.
Wind farms kills a huge amount of eagle, one stretch of railroad killed 194 moose and 457 reindeer in 2020 alone.
And around 3000 animals during the last 5 years.
@Amalie Olsdatter and its impossible to work with reindeer and make profit.
A person within reindeer husbandry makes around 118,232 Norwegian Kroner a year, does that sound like there is any profit to be made? Could u live of that while paying for housing, car, snowmobile, fence, gass, food for u and ur reindeer?
@Amalie Olsdatter dude I work with reindeers for a living
@Amalie Olsdatter Yeah
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Joaquin needs a bird lad!
Historia est magistra vitae. But we did not learn nothing.
There's a simple solution. The natural resources of wildlife, birds, forests and mountains should be preserved as the first priority so that future generations can also experience nature. It sounds like the Sammi are doing that, they should invite more tourism to experience their culture and the nature. If Sweden wants to give sport hunters and miners the upper hand then that would be a big mistake.
this is a very one-sided view of the whole thing. Joakim whom they interview is a hunting enthusiast and gives a rather weak defense. The Sami land is not invaded by Sweden, my grandfather's family is from Jämtland and can be traced to the 15th century ... I have Sami blood in that family line. However, I must not have an opinion as I do not have enough "Sami" blood. The Sami have greater agricultural aid than the ordinary farmers and their animals are allowed to graze on other people's land and other farmers' fields. In addition, the Sami villages themselves decide who may call themselves Sami. I am in favor of certain parts of the mountains becoming a nature reserve where motor vehicles are prohibited and that only traditional reindeer herding may be performed (no helicopters, scooters, etc.) with the Sami having the right to use it in a traditional way. because I know someone who bought a house for cash 3 million 15 years ago and to own 3 thousand animals (reindeer) and live in the UK and just go to Sweden to sort their made and it's not really okay.
santa Claus owns it , end of dispute
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Phillip and William.
Yo Norwegian here.
Ehh. White ethnic people are TOO indigenous to ALL of Scandinavia.
Not just sami people
What do you even mean? White skin is not an ethnicity. It’s a skin colour. The Sami have white skin. Lots of Swedes have white skin. Others don’t.
Ethnicity is something else. We’re all Swedes in the end. This seems to be about the typical male hunter who thinks he has the right to hunt everywhere and who needs to get a hobby. There are a tiny numbers of these Swedish men hunters and they are pretty annoying. I mean, Sweden is huge. He has to damn respect if he is not allowed to hunt on Sami land.
Confused, Swede.
The Sami predate nordic occupation.
@@maxworth4687 We can share some "rinkeby" or "rosengård" with you and see witch you like better.
I was thinking this. They call the Sami indigenous but didn't the Germanic people arrive 3000-4000 years ago? How much earlier could the Sami have arrived? As far as we know they all arrived up there around the same time.
The Saami people have been indiginous to certain parts, like the North and southern mountain areas.
Question, why are the roads talking over the indigenous lands. yes indeed. The indigenous people own the land, not the land grabbers that Colonized.
“i live with my dogs the way you would with family.” we don’t keep our family in cages in our homes and cars.
Maybe YOU don't.
@@gebeme11 LOL
It is for dog securiy
Those families should have claimed the land in 1800's.
they are called saamelaiset in finnish . they have far better hunting rights than finnish people
Got to learn more about Sami people! Watched a film on Netflix about them last Christmas. Anent the question, I have always thought the land such this should belong to the indigenours people cos they know better about the land. I don't know much on hunting, I never liked it though.
Can i know what's title for the movie? It sounds interesting
The Sami own the land and should be given full and sole authority over it.
it's a really hard moral debate of which there's no right or wrong.
my 2 cents here: i think it's really great that the major acknowledge that immigrants have the same rights as a domestic Swede, but i'm not convinced that this generosity carries over smoothly to the situation between non-indigenous Swedes and the Sami. The difference being: whenever domestic Swedish people feel their way of living is threatened by new immigrants, the state can always impose more strict immigration policy to buffer the impact, but when Sami's ways of living are threatened by non-indigenous Swedes, they don't have the power of the State to protect them, and they are already at a underrepresented position in terms of social/economical/political status.
I personally hail for the ruling even though I understand the hunter's frustration, because hunting is a hobby while reindeer herding is an endangered culture. I think the ruling does not mean that non-indigenous people enjoy less rights than Sami, but rather a way to promote culture equality by tilting the scale in favour of the disadvantageous party. An analogy would be awarding a job offer to a female candidate over another equally qualified male candidate as a gesture of promoting gender equality. it sucks to be that specific male but a good thing to do in a society where men are more privileged.
Animal belongs to environment
The Sami people have been a long discriminated group put into human zoos, forced of their lands and have long been a forgotten group that have a unique language and culture that could cease to exist in the near future and it needs to be persevered. Maybe these sooo "progressive" scandis should focus more on preserving and nurturing the samis and listening to them. The Swedes, Norwegians, and Finns should prioritize this up in the north.
1:12 Cyprus is Europe, Asia Minor (Anatolia) is Europe but the South Caucasus isn't? Europe started from Caucasus!
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@@vitruvianeli Europe started from Greece. Not from Caucasus.
More tourists means more destruction of the sensitive environment... Not the best thing to preserve nature. Letting the sami restrict the hunting and fishing to the locals can be a good thing for the environment.
It’s curious how people use democracy when it works in their favor!
Amazing landscape!
I think sami people need to be freed for their own culture.
Those are really nice problems to have ...what a life
My ancestral dna tests say that I’m mostly Sami, although I’m American. My family was clueless, although some of us are mostly Swedish! The Sami are so intriguing. I love to learn about my ancestry, thank you for making this video!
Well dna test does not show up as sami. It usually showa up as finnish not sami specific.
@@dickidsrip5262 Actually, that’s exactly what my mitochondrial DNA report says. Sami. From one of the two most well-known dna testing companies. So you’re saying that the company lied on the report?
@@dickidsrip5262 different companies have different data
@@lia2523 I dont know, When my mum did her dna test her dna test showed up as swedish, finnish and polish. Not sami specific. I am from the northern part of sweden and my mum is from a part further inland where everyone has sami ancestry. Maybe its something that shows up different with different companies. Because she know for a fact that her grandfathers mother was of sami origin and that her mother also has some. I googled it and apparently the samis and finnish people seem to be quite closely related.
Use ATV’s and helicopters to herd the Reindeer. Doesn’t sound traditional to me. Should use the historical native ways to preserve culture.
I have no problem with anyone hunting, as long as they sprinkle a few expert snipers around the countryside and give the animals a chance to shoot back.
Sounds like a game from Micosoft or Sony.
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all animals should be free
Mr. Algrain *( hunter with the family of dogs )....is short sighted with the larger greater good for the Reindeer- a bit creepy too somehow. Seems he is totally consumed with his need to hunt/ regardless of what the Sami people Suggest.
but the sami people hunt and kill reindeer too but don't pay for hunting licenses the white guy atleast pay for hunting licenses which gives money to the conservation how do the sami people help the reindeer by killing them?
The same way the sami fotografer feels about her sami culture getting threatened and lost, I feel the same frustration for the swedish culturer when we have let three millions arabs and africans enter the country. Dw should make a report on that too.
I agree. The people who know what is best for the reindeer is the reindeer Hurder.
Their lives have depended on the reindeer for thousands of years. People who go hunting, need to realize that they need to listen to the Reindeer Hurder, so that they don't lose their hunting grounds.
Sounds to me that both these groups have difficulty with the rapidly changing world.
We will all have to share more. The swedes have been sharing their prosperity with the Sami.
The Sami need to share the land, that is not only theirs. Times change, stop trying to hold on to what was.
Everyone has the right to enter the lands, to walk, camp, spend time there. The discussion is whether or not it should be allowed to go hunting in the lands where the semi-wild reindeer live. Hunting is is not a human right. The “hunter” in the documentary make it sound like soon the whole nature will “close down”, which is not what the discussion is about. He wants to practice his hobby anywhere he wants. He cannot. He gets mad.
@@youhaventgotaprayer The hunter is clearly not even hunting the reindeer. Yes hunting is a human right. Sami are not the only one's that have been hunting to survive. Pretty much all of our ancestors did that at one point. It's clearly a huge area as well. Seems to me the Sami are stuck in time. Hunter shooting a Sami marked reindeer could still result in a fine. Problem solved.
@@0xszander0 And who checks for poaching in your scenario? Not to mention gun shots can spook a flighty animal like reindeer badly. Loss as a result comes from whose bank account? I hope that the Sami say about the land includes mining, etc. so that the encroachment stops before there is nothing of nature left. Main reason people are complaining about being locked out of areas is that with the mining laying roads there they can get that far north in the first place. They all want to be away from civilization and people and than complain when there is a border/boundary set to stop civilization from encroaching further up into that area. Not enough room left to get away from it all up there.
Would you like I came to your farm whatever big and say you should share you paltry with me?
@@0xszander0 It is not about hunting reindeer. But brining rifles and hunting dogs to the area would stress the reindeer and could cause them to move their herd. Hunting dogs may also chase after the reindeer and even try to take calves.
Hunting is definitely not a human right, you need to educate yourself about human rights. If hunting was a human right, all would be allowed to own a rifle and walk out in any forest at any time and shoot anything they want. You know very well that is not the case. Licenses and regulations are controlling who, where, when and what can hunt and be hunted.
I thought the Sami People were Finns?
Sami people come from Sweden, Finland, Norway and Russia. Lived in the northern parts of the continent long before the current state boarders were set.
Finn is an outdated term that was used for Saami people, and is seen as offensive nowadays. Finland and Finnish people are something else. Saami and Finnish people are like, Germanic people and Italians.
Animals are here with us not for us. We shouldn't be abusing them like this.
No hunt, no killing, no cruelty
For anyone?
I hope you’re a perfect vegan then 🙄
Why are people allowed to keep such a big herd of animals and the land is getting visibly depleted?
Where i live the planning authority zone lands. Some of the zoning requires that you demonstrate a link to the area before you are allowed to build. It would be such a shame to loose the traditional Sami ways ... I mean it's either respect them and work with what they need to survive or put the general rule on them and wipe their practices out. It's seems to be such a difficult situation. Their traditions are unique, over development is not. But yes I don't really have a right to judge as I'm not living that experience. I hope they find a way through it all 🌼💗🌼
As is often the case, this is a rather sloppy re-telling with a clear angle. You can call the people who today call themselves Sami "indigenous" all you want, but that is no different from other immigrants who came to Scandinavia after the end of the last ice-age. DNA evidence has traced Sami people to Western European peoples, not Siberian peoples. As anyone can understand, thousands of years of interbreeding means we who were born in the coastal areas are not much different from those born in a Sami area. That type of "blood" oriented reasoning - even if were accurate - is also plainly disgusting. This huge swath of land belongs to everyone in Sweden and should be fairly available for fishermen and hunters as designated by the local authorities.
Wonderful docu I wish more natives would the rights they deserve. Thank you for learning something new today I hope the Sami get what they deserve.
The Geats, The Swedes & The Goths came before the Sami, I'm a Geat but i don't ask for special rights or claim everything under Stockholm belongs to my indigenous peoples
I wish my country’s political problems were as thorny as Sweden’s.
To the Swede with the dog's - I'll send you a sympathy card, you sound like a wealthy entitled American!
Hunting for food is much more important than hunting for pleasure. Take a page from the Indiginous People of the Americas. Tourism is not a needed industry if the people die of starvation, because of a few who do not respect the raindeer and the raindeer herders