Double Dipping at Dodge
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Steve examines another Dodge Low Cab Forward (LCF) truck found at Bernardston Auto Wrecking and describes why Dodge kept the 1955-’60 truck cab design in use through 1975. Is its 361 cubic inch big block useful to hot rodders?
I think you're looking at it the wrong way around, Steve. The Dodge pickups are parts donors to those beasts. RESTORE IT!! C'mon, man.
Exaclty!
The yearly taxes on big trucks would make you spit out your drink, that's why you don't see them restored more often
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For trivia buffs: This model of Dodge medium truck was featured in season one of CHiPs. The truck loses its brakes going down a grade, and Officer Barry Baricza brings it to a stop in his Dodge Monaco. Stunt driver Carey Loftin was the truck driver. Loftin also being the truck driver in cult truck movie 'Duel'.
Cool . Duel Rocks . There YaGo!
Haha I remember that scene ,good times
After reading this, I wonder if Loftin did stunt driving in Movin' On or other period truck shows. Cool info - Thanks!
A great show an and excellent movie. I noticed CHiPs seemed to use older vehicles in stunts, presumably to save money.
Here's the scene!
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Back in the 80's I had just started hauling cars for Anchor Motor Freight, we drove GMC Brigadiers. Our competitor, Ryder had these Dodge trucks. The supports for the head ramp on the Dodge came down to the hood line, then angled inward to the center of the bumper. It wasn't until years later, at a vintage truck show that I realized that was to allow the fenders to swing open. What a great feature. Another great video Steve!
Joseph, which location did you work at?
@@jerryameral6760 My home terminal was Ridgefield NJ, a rail yard. I regularly pulled out of Port Newark NJ, Linden NJ, Tarrytown NY, Framingham MA, Champlain NY, Wesley Island, Lewiston NY and Lordstown OH. In later years I backhauled out of Georgetown KY. So sad that most of those locations are now closed. Back then we didn't cross the Canadian border, we dropped at relay yards and swapped loads.
@@josephdipalma5989 my grandfather worked up in Champlain back in the 80’s.
Who knows I may have met him in passing, in Champlain I didn't know everyone by name. It was a great job in those days. The freedom we have just isn't possible anymore with cell phones and GPS trackers. I feel bad for the young drivers today.
@@josephdipalma5989 Cassens used en also. Loved the LCF's. Way ahead of Ford and Chevy. They had great heavy trucks till 75
That's a great looking truck! Looks like it's all there too.
Would be a great restoration for a toy hauler.
@@nifvisionquest5317 agreed. That should’nt be left in that boneyard. Too bad the wife sez no more projects.
@@1half.fastgarage maybe a new wife???
That ghost in the cab said "I'm outta here!" ..haha
With a ramp bed on the back, that truck could be built into an awesome racecar hauler.
Just a little FYI. The designation (600, 800, 900) had only to do with the weight carrying capacity. Gas or diesel was up to you no matter what the number was on the side. That same cab was also used on the conventional Bighorn trucks with the fiberglass flip front end up to 1975. The Bighorn was not an LCF. Minor stuff but just happy to see you covering this stuff!
Love the common sense of these fenders
Nice video Steve ... you’re a walking talking encyclopedia of auto info and I always enjoy listening and learning 😉
A ghost of a previous owner is still lingering
Back when economy and emissions weren’t a concern a gas engine in the 300-400 cubic inch range and some serious gearing was thought to be good enough.
Modern trucks idle along at 65 mph, where these were spinning 3500 rpm at 60-65 mph.
If my memory serves me.
Chev 50 292 floored always.
I worked at Cummins Ontario in the 70s and let me tell you from lots of experience that the only thing you had good access to, was the drive belts and the water pump after that it was a pig to work on. I never worked on one with a gas engine but if you had to rebuild one in frame you would contemplate suicide for sure. That truck was the making of many effing nightmares.
They used that cab on the Big Horn semi tractor 74-75 also. It was a long hood tractor.
I remember when those were more common - I thought they looked a lot like the International Harvester trucks of the same size.
One thing to beware of when using the larger truck cabs on your pickup chassis, is that the mounts, and perhaps even the firewall and floor, could be different. I know this is true of '73-'79 Ford Dentside trucks. The F500 and up have different mounts, and the doors have the push-button door handles, rather than the ones you pull up. They also have a '67-'72 Bumpside dash panel, which houses one of the coolest instrument clusters Ford ever produced! The earlier Bumpside F500s have different gauges which look antique, and not performance-oriented like the '73-'79 F500s.
I love that you get the camera guy away from top dollar high end classics, in a climate controlled building to out rolling around in a junk yard middle of winter looking at big trucks! Ps. Tell him to leave the Rolex at home next time!!! Hahaha. More please.
Everyday can be a school day! Thanks for explaining the LCF. This was really interesting to me.
Steve, you the best!! Keep it up.
Another very nice educational video. I’m 60 and learning new stuff with each video.
Man you shouldn't tell people they can rob these doors and cabs, these trucks are so rare they deserve to be saved and restored!
My family had a backhoe business back in the 70”s and 80’s and we had one of those old trucks. Now I know a lot more about it! Fascinating stuff!
I do remember these Dodge trucks being around in my youth, they were very unique in the late sixties and early seventies, one of my favorites of that era were the early Mack R series U model truck's with offset cab's. They looked bad to the bone!
Those offset cab Macks were originally intended for cement trucks which I found out when I was restoring one for my then boss. That thing was a nightmare of rust which caused severe settling, shifting, and misallignment of the cab, and there was also lots of cracked fiberglass on the tilt front end. I swear it aged me 10 years in just a couple of months by the time it was finally finished.
Man that’s one cool looking truck! And still in great shape to be restored! Very interesting style of the side fender’s opening for service! Great stuff!👍
this truck needs to be saved!! What a awesome ride!!
As I remember the mid 50's GMC cab over trucks had a similar engine access arrangement available. Sure does make servicing a lot more handy until tilt cabs became common.
Thank you Steve get well soon
the camera guy knows what to film! Most of the time they don't know what to film but this guy does great.
Get well soon Steve, miss ya!
That swing away fender is cool! Never knew!
Another gem in Bernardston Auto Wrecking's yard. Thanks Steve
Wow! A wide variety of interesting, for all us machinery fiends. I really liked that 361 in my 62 Belvedere wagon. Quite a noticeable power difference from the 318 in the 63.
Love these history lessons, I only wish they were longer in duration. Kick ass channel Steve!
Those refrigerator door handles we're the same on the other model in the pamlet you showed us in the early sixties, same handles are on my 1964 Sweptline D200 Power Wagon.
I think I want that truck. Unfortunately I won't get around to it till I'm like 147 years old, like many Mopar hoarders.
Amen!
Steve, are you cold blooded? 😁😁 It's got to be freezing in Mass. this time of year! LOVE your videos no matter how cold it is!!
How is that cold? Looks like a nice day to me .
Can’t believe they made that body til ‘75. Must have looked like an antique even then!
Excellent video those were in service when I started turning wrenches in 77 but those had 3208. Catapaller engines and 413 Chrysler those high deck motors were also in motorhomes I have 2 now thanks for the memories
Get well Steve!!!!!
We made one into a ramp truck with a sleeper to match race a funny car. King and Marshall speed shop on the door. Ours had a 318 with a four speed manual transmission and a two speed rear axle. The switch was on the stick shifter so it was like multiple gears with the car, spares and tools loaded. That swinging side panel was perfect for hiding behind if someone needed to make a highway pit stop. Great memories my friend, thank you.
I lived for junkyard gold on motor trend even your model building I love junkyards and I love models I jave your same eye and dreams when I'm walking the junkyards I'm glad to see you have a channel now I found you thru Hoovie also LOVED these dodge haulers when I was a teenager we had local that was beautiful they had it as a flat deck no side boards
I drove a 1965 model that look just like that for a few years in 80s :) it Was a water truck 413 power by a 413 / 5 speed / single, no spit rear axle. and a Chrysler flat head 6 in the back to drive the water pump :)
This is very unique. The swing away is crazy -cool. Thanks Steve
Gotta love everything Dodge Plymouth and Chrysler. A Mopar man at heart. Although we have a Jeep Compass now.
The things still in pretty good shape. I was impressed by all the interior knobs. Same Dashboard is my father's 66 panel truck. Brings back some memories :-)
Another great video full of useable information!
My 66 dodge d200 has a cab from a 64 d700 firetruck a little modifying to make it work but almost completely identical
Thx Steve, you Rock. Always interested/interesting. 😉👍
The truck builders today need to take a lesson on the easy access, great commen sense engineering by Dodge. Thank You for sharing!
Cool video thanks Steve love those old Dodges
My grandfather had one that was gas powered. It was used as our farm grain truck for many years.
Got to correct you. Both of the D800s I ran had power assisted steering. They were 413s and had air brakes. Maybe that was a higher level rig.
Great content about the trucks. Love that stuff. Where else can we get fascinating information like that. Thanks Steve.
I just watched your sit down with uncle tony. Bring the merch! How about a junkyard crawl shirt with a cartoon of you crawling through old dodge Army trucks and ambulances in like a ww2 outfit with a radioman box on your back that would be funny
Love that rig, also the windshield and roof line are similar to an International Loadstar.
And the Loadstar too used a cab that dated back to 1957, well into the 70s.
Put a lot of miles on an LCF 900 & 1000
900 was an NH250 with a 4x4, and 1000 was 8v71t with a 10 speed
Both of them had CJ Holmes bodies
I'm a mopar nut, love this truck I always learn something from your videos keep em" coming thanks for sharing your knowledge!
My uncle had two ten wheel dumps - a ‘65 with the 361 and 8 speed Roadranger. The other was a ‘68 with the 413 and 5 + 4. They were OK but you had to wind the piss out of them.
Man you are good. I always comment the facts you know off the top of your head are amazing. Very inspiring
Amazing how many of those that yard has. I'm not sure I ran across one here in NY when I was crawling yards.
That column might be useful in a street rod application.
Still want to see the tow truck one though.
Would love to have that truck!!! Great vid as always!!
This is awesome content, thanks Steve
Cool truck, looks to be in great condition,
Someone should save it!
I believe a ghost opened the driver door.
I have 3 of these truck 1 is an LCF the other 2 are HCF, They ware a single axel city C600 road tractor with a 361 5+2 and the other was C 900 V6-71 10 speed live tandem road tractor. Great old trucks just hard to find parts for them now. Bandit
I really love how your not stuck on one genre.
Love your videos, Steve, and glad to see you're putting up more content, but some constructive feedback: please either get a cameraman with a steadier hand or a camera with stabilization or a gopro with hyper smooth or something, getting borderline motion sick watching 😂🤷♂️
I just got a 1964 lcf 800 dump truck today for free... Drove it home
Amazing!
Awesome content Steve! Please spoil us withe a 20 minute or so episode of junkyard crawl! 😃
You need to come to Oz where Dodge Trucks seem a world different. Our 60s and 70s Dodges had the same cab windscreen back asthe International. Some models the base chassis was the same as well. Different front sheet metal and Inters had Inter engines, transmissions and brakes [and bolt patterns] The Inter Loadstar shared a lot of base sheet metal as well.
Dodges came from 114 [1 ton, 114" wheelbase] to on occasion tandem drive tipper or prime mover.
The small Dodges had crappy steering boxes, 4 ton up were ok. Engine were truck slant 6, a few had 318 A engines, some 361s as well. Then from 67 or 68 on 318 truck LA engine and from 70 the 245 truck hemi 6. Diesels in larger models were both 6 cyl and rare V8 Cummins. Transmissions were generally Dodge on smaller models and generic on larger ones. I do know a late 70s 3 ton with 318LA and torqueflite. Very special order though and I suspect the load rating was down sized as well. Built as a tilt trar race transporter for a Chrysler dealer
The Dodges were ok but the Internationals really were the better truck. And I have owned both.
The big trucks usually have much better cabs because they were so much higher off of the ground. That kept them further away from the salt and damp grass. Grain trucks are the best as they were rarely winter driven.
Great videos! I hope to have the same aspiration for knowledge! Some things just laying there can have so much history and so much potential future use! Watching from Vancouver island Canada!
Lots of the big Dodges were used as snowplows here in PNW.
Those shared body panels and other parts between the pickup and this truck is due to the standardization practice in manufacture which helps in the production, tooling and and cuts down costs. Standardisation has always been there especially with early clockmakers and then moved on to steam power engineering in the 20th century. Then, during ww1 and 2 it took off in a big way, when different manufacturers would share the same tooling and expertise.
A good example is Volvo, who in the 70's used the same body, but changed the front end for newer models.
2:17 this truck has a ghost
I can't imagine how long it would take these things to get to speed.
0-60 in 1 day
Not to mention the non existent gas mileage.
Never did 60, spend limit was 55. It ain't like any industrial truck gets up quickly.
That hood will actually hinge up into a full vertical position, Makes service much easier. I see these were still using the 1950s era hand operated drive-line mounted emergency brake that clamps the driveshaft just behind the transmission. You can adjust the E=brake by turning the knob mounted on the end of the E-brake lever while you are comfortably seated behind the wheel.
That truck is badazz!
would love to still have those truck and service swings in trucks
39000 subscribers! Keep it going.
@2:19 ; Watch out Steve !! The ghost of the legendary phantom 309 is paying a visit ! 😳
I remember from my junkyard days long ago , someone wanted to buy one of these engines for their dodge pick up . He was planning to convert the truck to four wheel drive and wanted an engine that had strong bottom end . I don’t remember how that worked out but the engine was being measured out for its girth / width to see if it would clear the frame rails to mount in the chassis . Just by viewing the engine , it appeared to be noticeably wider compared to a small block or even a big block mopar , as I remember . This stands to reason since many TRUCK engines had blocks that were align bored for bigger crankshafts for larger mains and connecting rods to withstand low end torque at low rpm and would feature larger main caps and bolts than those found in smaller trucks such as a pick up or a four wheel drive . GMC V6 305 engines were built this way . Never saw inside the oil pan of the 366 or 427 big block Chevy truck engines but their bottom ends were probably built similar as well , compared to those of passenger car and light truck big blocks like 396 , 427 and 454 .
The 366 and 427 truck engines also had taller decks which made them wider. The reason was to allow them to use taller 4 ring pistons. I can't say if Dodge was the same way but it wouldn't surprise me.
I like the Phantom 309 reference too. I grew up riding with my dad listening to all those great songs. Now I'm an owner operator myself.
I was wondering about that door too !
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No on the tall deck dodge. A lowdeck dodge is the same deck height as a tall deck shevy and a talldeck "rb for raised block" mopar is 3/4 taller than that. I've had my hands on several 413 industrial engines. There is no part number for a "413" block as mopar used a 440 block and did not bore it out to a 440 bore or left smaller jugs in the casting. This is not a wives tale, my current "413 block has 440 cast into the side of it and has 413 stamped into the id pad. So basically these are 440 blocks with 1/3inch of meat left for
boring! Mine also came with a angle cut gear drive and a reverse rotation ground cam and ductile iorn adjustable rockers.
Must have ran really smooth with a gear driven cam.
@@henrymeynier5072 Thanks for the info sir!
Not only would your 413 run smooth but it'd also run forever! You can't beat a gear drive for longevity.
The GMC V6's were pure truck engines, but the Chevy 366 and 427 were 'just' taller decks to allow for 4 ring pistons.
If we could make all fenders on all trucks swing out like that, that'd be great.
Watch out Steve, there's a ghost behind you opening the door.
Some of the trucks had an "auxiliary transmission " think of it as an early form of gear vendors over/underdrive. Some had two speed rearends. The water pump has about a 6 inch impeller and the bearing for the pump had a grease fitting to keep it lubed. The water hose was 3 inches. The 413s were rated close to 300hp I think and came with a 780 cfm holley carb.
I'd like to see one of these dyno tested.
I have two of these trucks, a C600 with a 318 V8 and a C800, with a 413V8. I think they are neat vehicles to own, and plan on building a car-hauler out of the C600, maybe swapping a Cummins diesel into it.
Super videos by Steve , and at the end on all vid`s , BIG inhalation . Take it easy Steve .
Great stuff to know! I'm always learning something on this channel ⭐🌈
Same on most 60sand 70s GMC Chevy and Ford ( same cab and doors as pickup, except for some with small back glass)
The truck wanted you to get in. 😳
Dodge also used the LCF cab on the Dodge Big Horn tractors
Looks like an easy restore is in order! Someone please do this!
That door just opened by it self
Do a review on the old Dodge RV’s from the 70’s….wind tunneled and designed by one of the stingray corvette designers, packing a 413 as well.
That cab looks to be in great shape even the seat is mint I be it don't have that many miles on the thing. I know some were used as grain trucks because my grandfather had one and it had a gas engine and I think it was the 361 if I remember correctly it was a 1962 model but it was a 500 model not a 800
Is that an IH back there? Do the International next, please. Love your channel, bud. Keep it up.
One Cool truck
Hey Steve did the big horn dodge rigs share the same cabs? They look like it. Love the big dodge trucks keep them coming
2:23…. The ghost of the original driver just hopped out for a smoke. 👻
i have a '74 d600 potato truck dumper, 318-3 engine, which is not clear how different it is from the 318-1 passenger car engine...have read it has higher nickel content...maybe. wish it had those swing away fenders! I used it for landscape material. has the 5 speed, 2speed axle, articulated steering column and steel door cards like this one, but thankfully does have power steering...and, old school cherry bombs right off the manifolds...super loud. its a lot of fun...kids either love it or are terrified by it.
Doesn't the LCF series truck's door has a notch on the front corner? Wouldn't that be different to the normal pick-up trucks?
Pretty much every panel in the cab is different from the pickups. The glass is the same.
That would make a nice vintage race car hauler.