Rust Armorer Found Guilty In Fatal Shooting Accident
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- The TJCS crew discuss Rust armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed being found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in the accidental shooting of Halyna Hutchins.
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"How could an actor not know the difference between a live gun and a dummy gun?" is the most American question I've ever heard.
Seriously. Disturbing this is even a question. Not every American is born with a revolver in their hand. These gun nuts need to settle down.
If you watch the court testimony of the director and writer of Rust, Joel Souza, during cross-examination he testified the insert scene they were shooting when the incident occured did NOT call for Baldwin either point or pull the trigger.
I have a feeling that if this gets more complicated for Alec Baldwin, it'll be in regards to his role as a producer, rather than the man holding the gun.
Of course there should be protocols to check firearms on set, but I just don't understand why any live rounds should be anywhere near a movie set.
What massive level of incompetence on set. Alex Baldwin bares responsibility in this, imo. The guy is bullying people on set, waiving his gun around, rushing gun loading, hiring inexperience and incompetent people with that in my mind.
Inexperience armorer and Alec screaming and rushing them to load the guns as quickly as possible helped make this happen. What an unprofessional a-hole.
Fully agree. Baldwin not only oversaw an awfully unsafe production, but he was so careless with gun safety that he killed someone.
If this happened to college kids making a student film, nobody would say that they don’t bear responsibility.
I watched the trial and he was a real jerk but will reserve judgement till the evidence is in. That being said it was still her job to check the guns and make sure they were safe. If she couldn't handle it she shouldn't have taken the job.
@@Nataku007 not absolving her of blame, just pointing out his contribution to the situation. He hired an inexperienced armorer and then bullied everyone on set to act to his ego. As the leader on set, he should've been allowing people to do their job and not undermining them constantly.
@@CreaturesOfTheMarsh he was unbelievably reckless. Just an ego the size the moon.
He also lied about pulling the trigger which is illegal. He should be charged with lying on a police report. He also as a producer is responsible for hiring this person who has a very unsafe past. I get tired of people protecting him because he is a star.
She should be the one going down for this. Nick Cage yelled at her when she was armorer on The Old Way for firing off a live round on set. It leads me to believe she is a genuine safety hazard.
Nick Cage is a different situation. Focus on the parties involved in this incident. PPL failed to follow safety protocols. This was 100 percent preventable.
@@badger3184 did you read anything I said
@@spicymemes7458
I did and you're going off topic.
@@badger3184 it's relevant lmao
@@DooodOfLife
I'm talking about a specific situation in which some one died, as a result of ppl failing to follow safety procedures.
More than one person is responsible for this nonsense.
I heard she has a problematic past, and that she is wreck less. But I also see an actor who is careless and egocentric. She should've fired a whole back and Alec should've been removed the minute he failed to attend a gun safety training
I have heard about her past, but I am looking at her and Alec.
The incompetence of this situation is off the charts.
This is what happens when you hire an in-experienced and unqualified person to this position. They aren't able to handle this responsibility. What a tragedy.
From the Industry-Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee, the following advisement is given:
- Blanks can kill. Treat all firearms as though they are loaded
- Refrain from pointing a firearm at yourself or anyone else
- Never place your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to shoot
- Anyone involved in using a firearm must be thoroughly briefed at an on-set safety meeting
- Only a qualified person should load a firearm
- Protective shields, eye and hearing protection should be used by anyone in close proximity or the line of fire
- Any actor who is required to stand near the line of fire should be allowed to witness the loading of the firearms
Can you figure out how many of these were violated by Alec Baldwin?
Why were there any live rounds on set to even begin with?
According to an article I read, crew members went shooting beer cans off set. "There's this pastime that crew members sometimes do, it's called 'plinking,' and they go out into the rural areas and they shoot at beer cans. This is with live ammunition. We learned that this happened the morning of the day that Halyna Hutchins was killed," Waxman said."
PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART HERE: Bullets from "plinking" got mixed in with the dummy rounds.
I don’t understand why we have real guns on set for a movie. There are non lethal guns that look just like the real thing that could be used on a movie set. Is it really a risk worth taking?!? After what happened to Brandon Lee all those years ago on set with the Crow, I can’t believe we are here again over 30 years later talking about gun safety on a movie set. Surely there must be a safer way.
When you follow the rules these tragedies don’t happen prop guns are plugged for dummy rounds I have 3 questions why didn’t Alec have the gun checked in front of him he knows the rules and as producers he’s responsible for everything on set 2 why didn’t they use bulletproof glass infront of the camera
@@jimbowlan5804It doesn’t have to be so. The risk doesn’t have to be there. Real guns do not have to be used.
Alec Baldwin is most likely going to be found guilty of criminal negligence in the death of Halyna Hutchins for the following reasons:
1. Alec Baldwin was the EXECUTIVE producer and responsible for safety, along with everyone who touched a gun. He was also the actor and the shooter.
2. Alec Baldwin did not complete the require gun safety training before production. He was also reported to be distracted on his phone during the 30 min on-set training. Everyone who handles and uses a gun was required to take training
3. The firing of blanks is not 100% safe. It's very dangerous due to hot gases and high velocity debris that is ejected from the ammo wad. You never point and fire blanks at people (like Alec did).
4. Aec Baldwin pointed a gun and pulled the trigger at crew. You are never supposed to do that, per gun safety. SAG-AFTRA has rules that you never point a gun at the camera or person, unless it's in the script. It wasn't in the script. Even then, the crew and actors will use angles and perspective to make it look like it's in that direction.
5. Rehearsal with guns is supposed to be done using a dummy, fake, RUBBER gun prop. Alec didn't do that. He used the actual weapon prop.
6. As part of gun safety, you always have to make sure YOURSELF that the gun is safe. You're not supposed to automatically believe anything. That's how important gun safety is. Alec Baldwin did not check the gun to confirm that it was cold.
7. Alec Baldwin is infamous for being a hot-head and he was filmed rushing people on set, which can cause carelessness. He was recorded rushing the armorer to reload the handgun for a different scene.
8. The 1873 long gun Colt .45 has a two pound pull trigger. FBI and other 3rd party analysis showed that the gun was in good mechanical condition. Alec had to pull the trigger to fire the weapon.
Do you think he goes to prison?
Hmmm, number 6 is invalid, they literally said that Alec Baldwin is NOT supposed to check the gun when his been told its cold gun. The only valid argument in this list is number 7, but even then, that isn't him breaking protocol just being unprofessional.
All of your points are objectively false.
1. An EP is mainly in charge of the financial and business side of a movie production. He bares zero responsibility over safety. They hire people for that.
2. I don't know if this is true, but it's irrelevant. Two experts supposedly checked the gun and gave Baldwin the green light. He was being directed by both the director and the victim on where to point the gun.
3. Again he was being directed by both the director and camera person so they could get a specific shot. This was part of the script.
4. You still don't seem to understand that, yes, this was part of the script. He was not pointing the gun on his own. He was told the gun was cold and then was directed on where to point the gun.
5. This is false. As someone who has been on multiple sets, prop guns are used all the time during rehearsals. And again, a firearms expert told him it was a cold gun.
6. It was not Baldwin's job to check the gun. He's famously anti-gun to begin with so I wouldn't trust him to properly inspect a firearm. That job belonged to the firearms expert on set and the assistant director, who both failed to do their jobs. You don't blame the wait if the steak you ordered is raw, you blame the cook.
7. This is a straw man, and an irrelevant one at that. You seem to be grasping for any reason to blame Baldwin when in reality, the firearms expert failed to do her job.
8. Yes, that's how a firearm works. You pull the trigger and it shoots. This is irrelevant though because Baldwin was operating under the idea that the gun was cold and was being directed on where to point the gun.
@@thehacker4012 Alec Baldwin could easily check the gun because it's a revolver. Checking the contents of the revolver cylinder does not change the gun or ammo. If the assistant director can check it, so can the next, and final person, in the chain of custody. Also, he could've asked the armorer to show him that the weapon was fine.
@@masonteague4039 It depends on how good his lawyers are, but, yes, he will get prison time because he didn't make a plea deal.
I wonder how often the Assistant Director catches a live bullet in a gun handed over by an armorer and we never hear about it... 🤔
This incident was pure negligence and unprofessional. The fact that there were live rounds on set at all still boggles my mind. Anyone who sees a film that involves guns won’t even bat an eye if the rounds look like the real stuff or not. So why bother?
I’m all for practical effects, but if it involves putting anyone at risk of their well being, it should be done in post.
Incidents like this will always beg the biggest question of all time: Why were there live rounds on set in the first place?
Hopefully there are some strict changes put into effect that will protect every single person on set.
Rest in Peace, Halyna Hutchins.
John, you make a good point about the liability rabbit hole of an actor checking their own guns. But as someone who uses firearms, idk if I could ever trust a gun to be safe unless I saw the empty magazine myself, or listened to the dummy rounds rattle before being loaded in.
If you cared that much, I'm sure an actor can asked to be shown, they just can't check themselves.
John didn't even research the industry guidelines that were violated on the set of Rust, per the New Mexico Occupation Health and Safety report. Baldwin is in deep doo doo. John only cares about get views, ad revenue and money from fans. The John Campea Show has lazy production value. They phone it in everyday. Empty content. Sad.
If you watched hannahs trail, they lay out many of the reasons that Baldwin was partially at fault. Unlike Hannah, who just screwed up one all-encompassing time, Baldwin screwed up in many different ways. But the biggest reason is he wasn't supposed to be pulling out the gun, and especially not pulling the trigger.
But i am sorry about saying alec should have checked the gun himself. You're right he literally isn't allowed to. He could have asked to be shown the bullets but sense he never bothered attending any of the gun classes it would not have mattered anyway.
The director isn't being charged because the director is one of the people that was shot. Halls was the only other person who could have been charged and he got a bullshit plea deal.
And as of right now, hannah has already been remanded, so even if they give her time served, she will be in jail at a minimum of a month.
My question is why were there any live rounds on set period.
Alec Baldwin is absolutely innocent, and here's an analogy: if a Server/waitress/waiter serves a dish to a customer without knowing it's contaminated, is he or she to blame? No, because he or she is not in charge of the food's safety; that responsibility falls to the cook/chef.
Using your own analogy I would agree IF Baldwin was JUST a server, however in this situation Baldwin is also one of the owners of the restaurant. He was a producer on the movie and therefore he had a duty to make sure his set was safe. If something goes down in that restaurant and someone is hurt, the owner is also liable.
@@squattingnevil I respect your statement, but the only thing for which he is liable is that he trusted a responsibility to the crew on that set that they failed to fulfill, and many layers of procedure needed to be followed before an actor handled a deadly weapon, which is why they were hired to keep the set safe, and all of the personnel who needed to check the gun said "Cold Gun." That's why he used it; it's like saying a pilot needs to go down on the runway to double-check it for safety.
I am not here to debate, I am simply expressing my perspective. If you disagree with my opinion, that's fine I don't mind it at all.
Peace, Brother.
@newgeneration6534 and I agree that he would be liable in trusting the employee, however, it's HIS employee. In your own analogy the owner of the restaurant would also be up for being sued if a server poisoned someone, that's all I'm saying.
And I'm just expressing my opinion as well. It's ok that we don't agree, that's allowed. Which I know in 2024 is an alien concept. Stay safe my friend.
Anyone who handles gun also needs to check the weapon before firing. He didnt
This was not the single point of failure of said armourer after viewing further video evidence she showed lack any control of the firearms on the set. i.e. firearms aimed at cast and crew instead of the industry standard to point guns at the ground when not filming but on set and NO one stepped in and reminded those persons not to point the guns at any one or thing outside the ground.
I would argue that Baldwin is a trauma victim in this case
There won't be anything in Baldwin's trial that could have changed the result of Gutierrez's trial.
"What I believed to be dummy rounds" - Assistant Director. Believed to be? What do you mean believed to be? It's literally part of their job to check?
What if the Assistant Director doesn't know anything about guns? That's why they hire an armorer. He believed her when she said it's ok.
@@VesnaLukic-h8w if the AD doesn't know anything about guns, they shouldn't be working on a film set involving guns. If they are required to approve the weapon before the actor handles it, then it is their responsibility to know. It is so, so important.
If I remember correctly it was said the armorer and some of the crew/cast shot live rounds with the prop guns out in the open fields when they were not shooting the film (either before or in between shoots I don’t remember) and the live box of shells was brought back to set and got mixed into the rest….. or maybe just never removed from the gun before going back to the set.
if you remember correctly...then who said it? Who have actual reputation? or was that an internet meme?
It wasn't a meme, it was talked about within a month of the incident but I don't know the veracity in the end @@jakenight5147
are you the defense attorney? look it up lol. it was mentioned here on the campea show too in the first few months of it happening@@jakenight5147
A maximum of 18 months is such a short time. Is this the same type of charge for someone who kills a person drunk driving? Honestly the level of negligence in this scenario is equally bad if not worse. You are responsible for firearm safety and not only can you not be bothered to do the minimum she intentionally took actions that put lives at risk.
She deserves at least 5 years in jail.
Yeah I don't think Mr.Baldwin should be charged especially when the assistant Director received no charges especially when it was his job to check the armorer and then confirmed the gun was cold. the assistant Director should've been charged
Alec Baldwin was a producer of the movie which means he gave that armorer a job. When an air traveling company hire a pilot who's incompetents lead to death of passengers, that the company is also to blame.
whenever this topic is broached John is amazed as to how could Alec Baldwin be liable, but he should be, at least civilly, he was an executive producer, people on set walked out the day before because of gun safety issues, yet he and other people in charge of the production did nothing about it, also, as it was revealed on the trial, there is footage of him rushing the armorer to give him the clear so they can shoot scenes quicker, if you are in the position of the armorer, this isnt just some big shot hollywood actor bossing you around, its the guy paying for the whole production and your salary as well
If all you say is true, he definitely sounds civilly liable.
The bigger sentence is that she can never do her "job" again and step into her dad's shoes. But as we see, she was never suppose to be. Her mindset was already gone with the 2nd movie...
Trying to blame the actor here is absolutely crazy to me. The fact he's going to court for it is crazy to me. Unless Alec put live ammo in himself or something, this is not his fault. The person who was responsible for this was found guilty.
But Alec was not only the actor, but also the producer. He fostered that toxic work environment, he ignored the safety concerns his staff brought up.
If he was purely the actor, I fully agree, not his fault.
@terriplays1726 I am unaware of his staff bringing up safety concerns, and if that's true, I'll have to further look into it to know what exactly was brought to his attention. Otherwise as a producer, I feel it's his responsibility to make sure the right people are hired and in place to make sure a set is safe. Once that professional armorer is hired, you have someone in position to make sure that aspect is taken care of. If he also took role of armorer, what would be her purpose? My issue is most on here talk as if some basic person with no experience in firearms, as its so obvious many here are, is supposed to just know how to handle a weapon, know the difference between dummy and real rounds, and assume when he's handed a gun on set, that it may be loaded with real ammo. Fact of the matter is, most here would be in the same predicament that he finds himself in now. You hired someone to make sure the set is safe. She didn't do her job.
Now as for the futures concerned... more protocols definitely need to be put in place. If you want to remove real guns altogether? Sure... why not. However I think it's safe to use real ones as long as they add a few more steps to the protocol. Oh and a max of 18 months, which we know for a fact the armorer won't do, is far too short. Make them absolutely sure that guns proper every time they hand it over. A stiffer penalty will have most double checking even. Regardless, the gun should definitely zee a few more hands before handled at this point. Negligence from the armorer will now make this part of the job more difficult.
@@terriplays1726 So why aren't the rest of the producers charged as well?
Yeah, they tried to cut cost. Hired an inexperience armory. They had accidents days before hand and people quit. Your not suppose to point a gun and fire at anyone. You are supposed to check the gun as the actor. If you are well read on topic. You realize Alec was much more then just an actor on set. He was a Producer trying to cut cost with numerous safety concerns. Live rounds were on set and had multiple misfires before shooting accident.
Yes, Baldwin shouldn’t have checked the gun himself. But he should have watched the gun check himself or asked to when the scene called for him to point the gun at someone.
Simple he cannot point the gun at anyone
@luissolares7007 he was doing what he was told by the director, also was told it was a cold gun.
Check out the New Mexico Occupational Health and Safety Report. It's full of damning evidence against the producers, crew and Alec Baldwin. John doesn't know shinola about this story or case. He never lifted his marshmallow fingers to actually research this case, the evidence or the evidence. The John Campea Show is bottom tier cocka doo doo. He doesn't even try to make a thoughtful show. Everything is just about making as much money as possible, with the littlest of effort. He's so fake!
Fyi…there were safety complaints against hannah on her one previous set.
Nepotism
The Armourer should face life in jail, it's her only job to check guns for live rounds, she's caused the death of a woman, ruined the woman's family's lives, ruined Alec Baldwins life and his family, that's alot of lives ruined.
no you don't put someone in jail for life for something she didn't want to do... you usually put people in jail for life to protect society from them... that woman, while guilty, did not want that to happen and will probably never do that again since she will probably no longer work in that field.
They had her doing other jobs on set and she wasn't there to check gun when it happened...
I agree with the charges and verdict. I was bothered the media wasn’t talking about her being charged and suddenly a couple of days ago I find out she was in court and lost a manslaughter case. Depending on her sentence I think justice is served. This isn’t murder. This is not a life in prison situation.
@@grandpallama nice strawman fallacy... did i say she doesn't deserve to be prosecuted? No... Read again... i said she doesn't deserve a life sentence, because she is not an homicidal maniac that may kill again once freed...
She deserved to be prosecuted, she deserved to be found guilty, and she probably even deserve to do some jail time... but not her whole life.
This shouldn't of happened but it did. Safety is very important in any job. That should always be one of the priorities.
Here comes all the legal experts in the comment section
Well, we do have much better arguments.
@@JB-1138 Go and read the comment section :)
two words.. Armchair quarterback
@@JB-1138Not so fast. From the Industry-Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee, the following advisement is given:
- Blanks can kill. Treat all firearms as though they are loaded
- Refrain from pointing a firearm at yourself or anyone else
- Never place your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to shoot
- Anyone involved in using a firearm must be thoroughly briefed at an on-set safety meeting
- Only a qualified person should load a firearm
- Protective shields, eye and hearing protection should be used by anyone in close proximity or the line of fire
- Any actor who is required to stand near the line of fire should be allowed to witness the loading of the firearms
Can you figure out how many of these were violated by Alec Baldwin? Is the part where I laugh? Ha ha ha
Alec Baldwin does deserve to face charges...He obviously wasn't 100% at fault, but he should get SOME of the blame...One because he is a producer, and as a producer, he is responsible for hiring people, and workplace safety.... Two, I'm a SAG actor, and I can tell you even when handling blanks, you don't point them at people, and proper protocol says when you aim the gun at the camera, there either has to be SAFETY GLASS, or everyone behind the camera needs to clear the frame and roll remotely.....Even when the gun is pointed at the camera, its STILL NOT SUPPOSED TO BE POINTED AT SOMEONE...Because blank rounds are dangerous, regardless if there is a real bullet or not.. You can have dirt or a tiny pebble get into the barrel, and when the blank powder charges fire, it will cause damage,..So bad protocol ALL AROUND...ALEC carries some blame for sure, he was the boss !
Also the AD is not suppose to touchh the guns AT ALL...The Armorer is expected to hand the actors the guns, STAY ON SET and instruct actors, then collect them afterwards...AT NOT POINT is the AD supposed to handle the gun..
It has already been judged he is /was civilly liable , because of what you mention " as a producer, he is responsible for hiring people, and workplace safety.."
However I don't think he is criminally liable , like the armorer was just judged to be..
@@chrisperrien7055 he def is the least responsible …Listen I’m not putting the blame squarely on him, he is a victim of this situations as much as the Dp…
That being said, here is the truth…If he was a normal unknown, broke actor, you think he would be off the hook?
He is rich and famous, and I’m sure his lawyers will get him out of it, but I guaranteed you if it wasn’t Alec Baldwin, and this was some unknown, poor actor, he would have been convicted …For him to put this whole thing together, and to be the one with the gun in his hands, to walk away from all that with no charges, is privilege …We have two justice systems, one for the rich, one for everyone else..
@@AlainNavasDrama Nah, if a blank discharge on a movie set somehow killed somebody by a secondary actor involved. It is same as Brandon Lee being shot by Micheal Masse during "The Crow". He was not held culpable.
Only reason this still news is because of the Baldwin thing.
It was a "freak accident" as far as Hollywood . 3 blank deaths in 100 years, now 1 live round death.
pretty dam safe industry when it come handling guns.
This was informative.
I learned alot watching this trial, interesting. I dont think its that much of a mystery how the live rounds got on set…hannah was super disorganized and probably just had a fanny pack of random bullets that she took from home. Never checked them. Her cart looked like my hot mess of a bedroom. I have enough sense to know that I couldnt do this kind of job where being unorganized is life-threatening.
I think Alec Baldwin shouldn't get criminally charged. But what i think will happen is a civil trial which he will have to pay. In my opinion it was her job to make sure the gun was safe to use.
But his job as a producer is to maintain set safety and he activity contributed to an unsafe set. It’s very straightforward. You are no longer just an actor when you are the main producer on a film it all goes back to you.
@@johnhudecek5667 that is where in my opinion he will be punished via a civil trial.....he was told that the gun was safe and obviously it was not. He trusted people on the crew to make sure it was safe to use. Just my opinion though and because he was producer on the film it wouldn't surprise me if him and that studio wouldn't get sued and pay out money to the cinematographers family.
Baldwin was not a “main” producer. He was one of 9 producers on the film, and his producer credit probably largely ceremonial. If you think Baldwin is personally hiring crew members, signing paychecks, making sandwiches at craft service, think again
@@glasshalfempty72 it’s his production company am I wrong. It all goes back to him. If he’s not the main producer on the film then whoever is should be seeing major legal troubles.
As usual, John doesn't do any research. The guy is beyond lazy. I found the New Mexico Occupation Health and Safety report. It looks very bad for Baldwin. Baldwin negotiated with various producers to create and fund the Rust project. He was a creative driver. He had authority on set to approve script changes and actor candidates. Rust management did not ensure their own safety procedures, taken from film industry “safety bulletins” issued by the Industry Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee, were followed at the worksite. According to the “General Safe Practices” document provided by Rust, “…the following safety bulletins were taken into consideration during the course of production: ‘Recommendations for Safety with Firearms and Use of ‘Blank Ammunition’.’’ Additionally, on January 7, 2022, Rust’s attorneys informed NMED that the Safety Bulletins used on set included "Recommendations for Safety with Firearms and Use of ‘Blank Ammunition’.’’ Rust’s use of procedures from Safety Bulletin #1, Recommendations for Safety
with Firearms and Use of Blank Ammunition (Bulletin #1), and Rust’s failures to effectively implement those
procedures.
There were many guidelines that were violated, involving failure to train Baldwin in gun safety, loading of guns and operation of guns. The Rust production was fined $136K for occupational health and safety violations.
CGI studios are already overworked because even basic locations are done with CGI. Imagine if Heat had to be done by a CGI studio.
People in the comments who already think Baldwin is guilty before his trial even starts are overlooking important factors.
1) Although, Baldwin was an producer of the film he was NOT the only producer, and if he is going to be convicted then so should the other producers of Rust.
2) Baldwin is NOT supposed to check the gun once his been told it's a cold gun. So, the Baldwin is supposed to check the gun argument simply doesn't hold weight.
3) Yes, there is clip of Baldwin rushing production and being unprofessional but at the end of day he was NOT the director nor the armorer. I don't think that one clip automatically proves criminal negligence.
Unless there is more evidence proving Baldwin guilt that is revealed in his trial, I don't think this will be a slam dunk guilty verdict as the comment section believes.
you realize numerous experts said even if they have someone check cold guns, the actor is supposed to check as well.
@@MandosCulture That's not what was said. I didn't hear any expert claim that the actor is supposed to check the gun.
@MandosCulture who are the experts?
@thehacker4012 I have seen numerous videos stating that they are told to also check the gun and they are responsible because they are possessing the firearm. I do not remember where this was stated exactly or the full credibility of who said it but I remember them being touted as a gun expert. A few
@juleswinnfield616 it was apart of a news broadcast I believe I don't remember which network or who the expert was that they had
What I learned is never assume somebody else is correct and take there word for it. You could be working for 20 years together, and trust them, know they are experienced, good people and are excellent at there jobs. Still, never assume, because the one time you don't double check, it can result in this. We are all Human. people make mistakes. Never Assume. Ever.
It amazing how little these people know about real prop guns and safety protocols. I watched enough interviews of actual action stars. These guys are ingornant asf.
Was also implied but not proven was just a theory that she was making dummies out of the lives using an inertia puller
. Which she billed for, because they were running low on dummies and she would get compensated for any she provided. Weather its true I don't know. Otherwise why have them on set?
There doesn't seem to be any consistency in what people in the the industry say. I have seen many videos where actors say they are the final check. They wouldn't even handle it unless they knew for sure. I've also seen videos where the production crew states you don't really aim even if it is plastic the gun at the other actor. Why not actually hire people who are qualified. Who cares if she is the daughter of a famous armorer? That has not bearing on her or her expertise.
Facts, films are made differently by different artists so some will shoot a gun scene with an angle and zoom so no one needs to be in line of sight they can just cut it later while others will position people in the line of fire for a shot.
I didn’t know it was protocol for actors not to check prop guns. Since that’s the case, what was George Clooney doing when he told the story of how when he’s on set & is handed a gun George pulls the trigger - aimed at the ground - and he himself makes sure that gun is cold.
that defeats the purpose of it being loaded with dummy rounds if he's just going to fire it at the ground. Also, if you watch the videos. She's reloading after every take. So Baldwin isn't going over his lines, his marks, and remembering to check the gun...every time. This was not DAY 1. They had been doing this for weeks.
George Clooney is gun certified so he is qualified to check a gun. His cousin worked on the crow I believe
John is awful at reporting on these stories. He doesn't know the evidence, trial details, etc. He's so uninformed. He didn't even read the New Mexico Occupational Health and Safety that reported many violations by the producers, crew and Baldwin. John wasn't even a lawyer. He's aggressively mediocre. Lol
@@valeria262 Did you know that John was never a lawyer? He went to college to study legal studies and was just a para legal for two (2) years before he quit. That's not even a career. Lol. He has zero enthusiasm for complex movie and legal issues. His research and analysis is almost non-existent, it's embarrassing. The Prosecution charged Baldwin in January 2024 and is taking him to trial this July. They must be confident with their legal arguments. John does almost zero investigation. He just wings it everyday, putting minimal effort with everything he says and does. The JCS show is bottom tier, for entertainment news and commentary. It's just a content mill to make money.
There were several safety violations on the set before this accident happened. There were two accidental discharges of weapons, where management did nothing to address the processes or culture. Weapons were left unattended. Guns were being carelessly pointed at people. They weren't having safety meetings. Crew members complained, but nothing happened. The armorer was only given 8 working days to do her job (in her contract). They wouldn't give her more time to train Baldwin (documented in email). They didn't want to give her more time to inspect all the ammunition. One crew member even quit because of the unsafe working conditions. There were many glaring mistakes and violations before the shooting accident.
@@jakenight5147 Dummy rounds are not the same as blanks. Blanks contain gunpowder and wadding, but no bullets. Dummy rounds look like a bullet, but have no powder or bullet inside. They can be used for rehearsal or in scenes where you have a gun, want it to appear loaded, but don't actually want to fire a blank. Firing at the ground would confirm that you have all dummies and no blanks. If you have a live round, then that's a different, more serious safety problem.
Yeah the issue here is culture the fact that it was such a lax set is what caused this issue all guns should be treated as though live rounds are in them in the army we used dumb rounds but we respected the weapons enough everyone is responsible for gun safety it's what they taught us I think sets should have the same respect for fire arms
i recomend you watch some of the law-tubers, like emily d baker, if you want to understand the details of the trial and charges, bc alec certainly won't have an easy trial either due to HIS negligent on top. which hannas tiral also showed at parts.
bc no, there are 3 system checkpoints not 2. the 3rd checkpoint was alec. he was NOT supposed to pull the trigger, even as practice. only during "action" he is supposed to actually pull a trigger, as another security layer, and alec was negligent there.
The filming has been completed although there is no indication as to whether it will ever be released
For the Alec Baldwin, he should be on the stand as a Producer overseeing this more than as the actor that pulled the trigger.
Most you guys know the basics of gun safety. But actors are the only people that are supposed to point guns at their friends and pull the trigger. And have done for a hundred years, on thousands of sets, with 10s or even a hundreds of actors doing it on a single production, it has to be down to to the armorer's, directors and possible even producers that set this up.
Baldwin should not be charged at all.
Until new potential evidence suggests that Alec Baldwin was aware he was handling a gun with a live round, I truly believe he shouldn't be charged for anything. Yeah, he didn't die but he is as much victim as the person who actually died because they were both the unwanted consequence from the lack of professionalism of some people who SHOULD BE charged because those were the ones responsible to avoid these kinds of tragedies
I kept on trying to fix the blur when the lady was speaking.
If a gun can fire live rounds then it's *NOT* a prop. 🙄
Any prop that can fire dummy rounds is also just a real gun. Despite all the professional care taken on movie productions, I honestly think we're lucky these things don't happen more often. All it takes is one mistake.
@@InfislyDummy rounds are not the same as blanks rounds. Blanks have gunpowder and wadding, but no bullet. Dummies are completely fake bullets that are 100% safe. Guns are dangerous and deserve all the respect and care in handling. They are weapons and all gun operation and safety rules apply. The Rust crew, including Baldwin, made many mistakes throughout the production.
Balwin is guilty as a producer, not as the actor.
@@CAH-x5y Only if the court can proof that the producers hired an unqualified armourer.
then why weren't any of the other producers charged?
The car reference is not exactly accurate...Sure the car is safe, but what if Alec starts speeding and hits someone...Thats him being NEGLIGENT...Which is what he was....Even blank firing guns are not supposed to be pointed at people...Blank guns are dangerous too...The proper protocol would have been to use a safety glasss if pointed at people, or if towards the camera, clear the frame, and roll on it remotely....Even a BLANK gun should not be pointed at people...I feel bad for Alec, he def is a victim of this as well..But there is some negligent on his part...AND HE IS THE PRODUCER..HE HRIED THESE PEOPLE..HE wanted to cut corners and save money...He is in charge of overall workplace safety...SO i don't know why people are giving him a free pass.
It seemed that armorers don’t have much power on set. They are pretty much at the same level as production assistants. She was afraid to speak up and slow down production to make sure everything was on the up and up. Didn’t help that Alec Baldwin was barking orders at everyone to rush. I think an armorer has to have as much power as a director has on set. But agree on her guilty conviction. She had no business on being in charge of guns.
It’s different with her. Her daddy owns the company that hired her out and they’re one of the biggest companies in the US to hire out armorers in Hollywood.
i hope that usa introduce a brandon lee safety protection act bill mandatory gun inspection on set of movies
Disagree with the industry needing to move away from practical fire arms.
1) there are a lot of things on a film set that can be dangerous; cherry pickers, pyrotechnics,hanging lights. This was gross negligence, and hopefully this pushes studios to stop hiring based on nepotism.
2) CGI gun fire looks bad. The quality of light just looks different
1) the CGI
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My biggest question is how come after so many years when this famously happened to Brandon Lee when shooting The Crow that better protocols were in place? I don't know if the exact same thing happened but both happened and it's truly a shame. I think Alec Baldwin should be held responsible because even though he was none the wiser he put his trust in someone else. This was very very avoidable and it's honestly a shame it happened. It was extremely negligent on the part of the armorer and Alec Baldwin for trusting that the gun didn't have live ammo in it. Maybe I'm way off base here but it just seems like there needs to be an extreme level of protocols put in place to make sure this never ever happens again.
Simple. It's because John Campea didn't research anything for this story. He didn't learn anything significant about the case, evidence or events. Check out the New Mexico Occupational Health and Safety report. It's full of damning evidence against Rust, the crew and Alec Baldwin.
Basically, the production agreed to follow industry safety guidelines and safety bulletins, but they flagrantly broke many rules. Alec Baldwin is voted for breaking rules. He didn't even complete his gun safety training. They all operated with disregard and the producers did nothing to ensure a safe work environment. This was much worse than The Crow.
Will this movie ever see the light of day?
Obviously no....
@@JB-1138The Crow did and it's lead star was literally shot dead on set
she was offered a deal that if she said where she got them she'd get a plea deal, she said no. I'm wondering if she got them from her dad that's why she didn't take the deal.
All the protocols in the world won't help if they aren't followed
I agree that Alec Baldwin probably shouldn't bear any responsibility in this situation. But you have to wonder if an actor like Tom Hanks would be facing the same kind of public doubt and scrutiny in the same situation. Baldwin has such a long history of being a douchebag that it's hard for a lot of people to give him the benefit of the doubt. I hope he reflects on his personal behavior in the future!
Yep. He's known as a jackass so he gets less of a benefit of the doubt
So wrong. You guys did not follow miss Gutierrez case. If he does not get convicted, it will be because of better lawyers, while following her court case, he is at fault as well, based on the rules regarding how to handle a gun, there was plenty of evidence that he was careless pointing the gun anywhere, demanding two guns loaded at a time, he was producer, so lay blame’s on the unsafe environment, and number one you cannot point a gun on set on anyone and pull the trigger.
Manslaughter generally refers to a Death that results from Reckless Action. That was an appropriate charge for the Armorer.
Should Baldwin be charged too? A case can be made Baldwin commited Manslaughter, tho in most cases there is a very thin line between Manslaughter and Accident
Baldwin shouldn’t be charged for that but he is responsible for everything on set as he is the lead producer and it’s his production company and he did all the hiring and firing
@@jimbowlan5804 Right... and an armorer was hired as they are the professionals to make sure this sort of thing wouldn't happen. Unless there's something we don't know about this case, Baldwin should not be in the middle of it.
@@SwiFtPrvrtThe Rust movie only had a 21 day filming period. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed was only contracted to be an armorer for 8 days (crazy). On the day of the shooting, she was no longer working as an armorer. She was officially working props. Baldwin never completed his gun safety training. Gutierrez-Reed was told, via email, that no more time would be spent on training Baldwin. Pointing guns at people is always discouraged, even during rehearsal. And you're not supposed to pull a trigger during rehearsal. The Rust production agreed to follow industry safety guidelines and bulletins. The New Mexico Operational Health and Safety report concluded that the producers and crew (including Baldwin) violated many guidelines. They did fault Baldwin for not completing training, pointing gun at crew, etc. There are industry guidelines that require the actor to witness loading to ensure safety, but SAG AFTRA rules conflict and claim that witnessing by assistant director is okay. The assistant director had a history of safety violations. On the Rust set, crew members publicly complained about lack of following safety protocols, lack of corrective actions, there were three previous accidental discharges, weapons were left unattended, etc. Producers told the armorer not to inspect the inventory of ammo. One crew member quit in protest before the accident. The place was unprofessional and downright hazardous. And Baldwin was an executive producer who was filmed directing crew and rushing the armorer to reload weapons in the middle of actual scenes. Production was focused on 'work fast' due to schedule and small budget. This was Baldwin's passion project.
@@jimbowlan5804You're absolutely right. Everyone is responsible for workplace safety. Producers have supervisory roles and have OSHA responsibilities. Safety responsibilities flow down to everyone. There was so much dysfunction on set, along with crew complaints and accidents, that the supervisors (producers) were obligated to manage and take corrective actions. But they didn't. Then the fatal accident happened. Baldwin is SCREWED because he didn't plea deal. He also lied about not pulling the trigger.
Why does there need to be a bullet in it at all , fake or not?
Isn't there a way to make a gun still have the practical spark and smoke without having any kind of ammo in it?
No there isn't unless you use CGI
Yeah its called a blank. It is filled with gun powder but has no lead tip. They're still dangerous to use but they're not actual bullets.
I watched some of the trial and although the verdict was the right one in my opinion, it is clear that multiple people where negligent including the Producers. Numerous people from the movie are facing civil suits and three people took plea deals to avoid criminal proceedings. It was a toxic environment. Whether Alec is found criminally guilty or the not I hope he faces heavy civil penalties and he does not work in Hollywood again. The case highlighted he was the boss and he fostered a toxic environment. In a nut shell he is a arrogant dick.
NOT TRUE...Actor is suppose to double check...AND even if he is rehearsing, even when he aimed at the camera, HE IS NEVER SUPPOSE TO POINT IT AT PEOPLE...Blank guns are dangerous as well...Any dirt or even a pebble can get into the barrel, and cause severe damage...IF you have to aim at the camera, proper protocol is to use safey glass or clear the camera frame, and roll it on remote...The gun is should never be pointed at anyone, unless its another actor in the shot..Your suppose to treat it as its loaded AT ALL TIMES...SO yea Alec shares some responsibility...Especially considering he is the producer, and he hired those people, was in charge of overall workplace safety...ALec should NOT bet getting a free pass here..He def isn't the main culprit, but he does share some of the blame FOR SURE !
Just to clarify, is it an established law among all actors they must check the gun themselves?
Is this a law of film sets, or is it an assumed practice. There are many actors who are not trained on firearms, and so it is up to the gun expert to ensure the actor is up-to-date on gun safety.
You could argue that because alec has been filmsets with firearms before that, he would know, but keep in mind he's never had an incident like this on set before where he was handling a firearm. Unless he has a history of misusing firearms.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it's up to the armourer/ gun safety person to check it first, then show the actor that it is safe for use. I also understand that actors will be trained on firearms, but not all training is given the same amount of time.
As far as I know, the reason the gun was in the general direction of the D.O.P / director was because they were getting a close up shot of him drawing the gun, so naturally the gun barrel would facing in their direction. If you want a medium shot/ close-up shot of the gun facing towards camera, you don't have much choice either, then have a bullet-proof screen over the camera.
Now, he is a producer on the film, so I believe he should be responsible for hiring crew and general safety concerns prior to the shooting.
Keeping in mind that a similar incident happened with Brandon Lee, on the set of the crow, tragically was shot.
The actor did not check the gun in that case either. No charges were laid, and it was found to be an accident.
Please let me know if im incorrect. If it's found that it is not a film set safety rule that all actors be trained on how to check for a loaded weapon then I hope that changes or remove real guns and any rounds all the together and just use cgi gun flash.
its not a rigid "law" its more like protocol....I worked a few times with blanks, and the armorer did handle ALL the guns, handed to the actors and also gave them a quick short tutorial on how to handle it....But of course I can imagine its not strictly followed...Also it is a unversal gun safety standard to check yourself..But maybe the gun is laded with dummy rounds, SO i have seen armorers point the gun on the ground and pull the trigger to show there not real...
as far as camera goes..when you have a shot where the gun is pointed at the camera, your suppose to clear the frame, and roll on the camera remotely or use a safety glass...Which is porably not always followed...Blanks guns should never be pointed at a person, even in those moments..The only time a blank is pointed at someone is another actor in the shot..ANd even then they use different angles and frames to minimize the risk..Blanks are danerous as well..@@jasonthomas5793
Personally movies studio should have exmiliary as the gun safety experts.
Thell Reed, 82, is Hannah's stepfather. She got two boxes of 45 caliber dummies from Thell. He had them left over from a film he worked on and had wrapped. It was from one of those boxes that Hannah said she pulled the dummies that she loaded into the gun given to Baldwin. Hannah was offered a plea deal but she had to be willing to disclose from whom and where she got the live rounds. She was responsible for ensuring the safety on set. She failed. The verdict is correct and just. But, I believe she didn't plea to protect her stepdad. Just the theory I have from watching the trial.
Interesting
who loaded the gun? anybody asking this question? bc they loaded it with live rounds
Who’s done the math? I’ve heard three RUclipsrs read that ad today and all day they have done the math….(s)…. Lies?
It came out that the live rounds made it to the set during a strike by some of the crew and on one particular day they used the props to shoot at cans and bottles. So they didn't make sure that all the live rounds were removed. That is a bad piece of information for Alec Baldwin in his case because there should have been no scenario in which they allowed the props to be used for target practice.
Who is they? Was Baldwin among those shooting live rounds?
Alex baldwin gets a free pass for shooting the gun. He may still be caught as he was director and ultimately reponsible for hiring the armourer
@@valeria262 with respect, please expand on your answer quoting precedent. My understanding is that Baldwin owns the production. He is therefore corporately responsible for health and safety on his set. As for pulling the trigger it is not film industry practice for an actor to check the gun...in fact they are ordered to not do so as that's not their assumed area of competency.
And to say he's not supposed to check that. Just let me see now that the industry never took gun safety seriously as a range instructor. Everyone is responsible for the safety of a firearm
Baldwin said he never pulled the trigger, doubtful, but NEVER point the TOOL/ PROP at anything you don't intend to destroy period.
The armorer expert said you do not point a gun at anyone no matter what, so you guys are wrong there.
Yeah, a real gun. Fake guns are pointed among actors all the time.
The armorer is a liar. In movie and film weapons are constantly pointed at people. The actors job is to literally simulate gun fights.
The reality is if there were live rounds in set someone would eventually get shot at by a real bullet. 9 times out of 10 that weapons is being fired pointed at another actor or towards the camera crew depending the shot.
Why are movie sets use real guns? Its not that hard to make props/fake guns. They don't use real sword or knife.
This is a misnomer FX's Shogun (2024) actually had many authentic weapons on set and used in limited ways onscreen. They were not in the Action scenes but they were most definately present on set
@@drjoeypc954sure for display is fine...but actually handle and use it in a fight scene is stupid. You don't see a real knife fight in a movie.
Because many scenes in this movie required firing blanks (replica guns cannot fire blanks).
So, in a low budget film you are not gonna rent twice the amount of guns you need (the real one and the replica), you just rent real guns and make sure that all dummy rounds in the set are in fact dummies.
@@jakesiu7773 I'm hoping you realize what a dumb point this is. Stabbing someone can easily be faked, the way recoil from a gun affects an actor is not as easily faked.
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I disagree, Alec is old enough to know that you always treat a weapon as real and double check.
An 18 year in the army is more responsible than an over 50y working with a gun.
Age has nothing to do with you knowing how to handle a weapon.
@SwiFtPrvrt is the fact that he is acting like he doesn't have any responsibility when he knows better. A weapond or a prop that be used as a real weapon should be treated as such, and Alec Baldwin has being in the business long enough to know that, he needs to get charged for being negligent.
If he was to double check and he’s not gun trained then he is doing something which he’s not allowed to do. If the elevator breaks at work I’m not trained to open the mechanics and fix it all I can do is notify the maintenance staff
Did you watch the video? Actors aren’t supposed to be messing with guns and opening up the chamber. It’s supposed to be a dummy round. There is no reason for live rounds on a movie set.
@exhaustguy we have live dummy rounds and blacks in the military, the teach to.know the difference before they go to the range.
For me as an actor I don't know about Alecs responsibility in this If those are the protocols those are the protocols but as a producer he should have been more on top of the safety measures involved I think that is where he can get in trouble because an actor yeah you're expecting it to be a cold gun but as a producer you should make sure the armorer doesn't have six live rounds on set
How is that the producers job. 99% of producers aren’t on set of their movies. Why isn’t it the director’s job? Do you think the producer also has to go taste test all the meals to make sure the caterers didn’t poison the food?
@@johncampea I didn't mean for it to come across accusatory but he is a producer and was on set and if I recall correctly there was a walk-off because of the unsafe practices and so my question is more on that level does he have responsibility as an actor I think that you made a very fair argument but as a producer is the responsibility for what happened. Like I said not trying to be confrontational or anything just wondering if that has any weight and what could potentially be the prosecutors position. Because based on your explanation of onset protocol when it comes to live firearms that breakdown makes it seemingly fairly clear that Alec should not be responsible for this same way that the individual who fired the firearm in the crow wasn't responsible no matter how much he blames himself for it.
@@johncampea Producers handle the planning, coordination, casting, directing, editing, finances, marketing, and distribution. Producers also are supervisors who have to comply with OSHA (or relevant workplace) regulations, since they have supervisory roles. For example, the Disney "Production Safety Guidebook for Motion Picture and Television" (British Columbia) says the following:
_The Producer is responsible for ensuring the health and safety of workers, informing them of hazards, and correcting hazardous workplace conditions and practices. The primary means of accomplishing this is by ensuring that the individual production’s Occupational Health & Safety (OH&S) Program is implemented and personnel are performing their assigned duties under the OH&S Program. Producers should be familiar with WorksafeBC safety regulations._
There's video, from the set of 'Rust', that show Baldwin rushing the armorer to reload weapons, on-set, in the middle of scenes. That's NOT a safe workplace environment.
EVERYONE has a responsibility for safety from the top (producers) down to the bottom (actors).
I agree with you. A good producer would be able to interview Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, inspect her work area, see how she operates, and determine that maybe the experience or discipline is lacking. A good producer should be able to look at Alec Baldwin and say, "Hey, why is this guy not attending the gun safety training? Why is he on the phone during the on-site training? Whoah! Whoah! Whoah! Why is he pointing a gun loaded with blanks at the crew?"
From the Industry-Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee, the following advisement is given:
- Blanks can kill. Treat all firearms as though they are loaded
- Refrain from pointing a firearm at yourself or anyone else
- Never place your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to shoot
- Anyone involved in using a firearm must be thoroughly briefed at an on-set safety meeting
- Only a qualified person should load a firearm
- Protective shields, eye and hearing protection should be used by anyone in close proximity or the line of fire
- Any actor who is required to stand near the line of fire should be allowed to witness the loading of the firearms
Can you figure out how many of these were violated by Alec Baldwin?
Will Alec Baldwin go to prison if he's found guilty?
Sabotage!
If Baldwin isn't supposed to check the gun, the rules are moronic. I've been a gun owner for years, you ALWAYS assume EVERY gun is loaded unless you clear it yourself, I don't give a shit who says they cleared it. That rule guarantees an accident, it doesn't prevent one, and it goes against the first and most basic and fundamental rules they teach in the first day of all gun ownership and shooting classes to EVERYONE.
If that is the rule on a movie set, it's wrong. If it's a real gun that can fire real rounds, you have to assume they can potentially find their way into it, because there's no such thing as a perfect system. People make mistakes. THAT is why you clear every gun. No exceptions. Hollywood has got this wrong. This is not the same as a car, an actor can't do an X-ray scan of a car's welds to make sure they're okay. You can clear a gun in less than a few seconds. Kris made the point, if it's counterintuitive and everyone knows it's not safe, what dipstick(s) came up with these rules which, once more, GUARANTEE an accident?
I think the compromise is that Baldwin should've gotten the armorer or the assistant director to check the gun one more time in his presence.
Per industry standards when it concerns Movie/Television sets and when firearms are in the posession of anyone other then the armourer the armourer must remain on set and within visual contact with the firearm. That is most likely the reason for the verdict given as she was not in the church. The actor as a good practice should view the gun loading and/or clearence at the time the armourer is actually performing those acts. Industry practice states that anyone on the cast and/or crew has a right to watch this process. Thay are not required but advised they are permitted and should view this being done.
You can't clear a gun that's supposed to be loaded with dummy rounds. There are also multiple different ways to mark dummy rounds. These are just two of the countless reasons the safety rules for handling guns on a movie set are different than for individual users.
Alec Baldwin probadly woudn't know a live round from a blank,, you know they look similar, so what good would it be for him to check.
Baldwin should get charged, you should not be pointing the gun at anyone . He was reckless and he was also a producer on the show.
We're you listening to the video? Actors are not supposed to mess with prop guns, liability issues, that's why there's an Armourer!
How is an actor supposed to pretend to shoot someone if he isn’t point a gun at someone?
@@majorlazor5058 Many times, the camera crew will position the camera and crew at different angles where people are in much less danger, but it LOOKS like they are pointing a gun at someone. The industry actually encourages this kind of staging.
Alec is not going to get cherged
His trial is scheduled for July 2024, so he was charged.
Why are they using real guns in the first place.
Because many scenes in that movie required firing blanks and replica guns cannot fire blanks.
So, in a low budget film you are not gonna rent twice the amount of guns you need (the real one and the replica), you just rent real guns and make sure that all dummy rounds in the set are in fact dummies.
Common practice in Hollywood.
If the rule is that the actor shouldn’t check the gun, that’s an insane rule. I can’t imagine taking someone’s word for it. Even 2 or 3 or 15 someones. I understand not wanting to open the process up to another point of failure, but if that gun is in MY hand, then I’m responsible for it, and I’m not taking anyone’s word for it.
Not to say Baldwin should or shouldn’t be charged, cause man I dunno, but I’d love to see better safety rules and processes put in place. Maybe studios will start making actors become more familiar with weapons too, and we get a better on-screen product as well (ie better weapon handling, grips that aren’t laughable), but safety processes and rules have got to be reevaluated.
this is a movie set and im sure Baldwin is not a expert in firearms thats why they're people in the movie set whose only job is to check the firearms
@@nervenllarena4948 I think one of the problems is an actor saying “well I’m not an expert in firearms” and then thinking that absolves them of any and all responsibility. Anyone asked to handle a gun that is capable of firing should be required to go through weapons training that would include teaching them how to check a firearm to ensure its safety. I just cannot imagine outsourcing that.
Actors are distracted on a film set, they are constantly talking to the director about what the next shot is, rehearsing their lines or working out the blocking of the next scene. This isn't even mentioning that a bunch of actors know nothing about guns, keep in mind, most of the world doesn't have access to guns, so an actor of any age coming from the UK, walking onto a US film set for the first time has probably never even seen a gun before. Is that the person you would trust checking a gun before pointing it at you? An armorer's job is to check the guns. They shouldn't be constantly distracted the way actors are. If actors checked their own guns, we'd have a lot more cases like this Rust one.
@@nervenllarena4948Alec Baldwin didn't even attend his gun safety training. The New Mexico OH&S report found many violations of industry guidelines that Rust claimed they were following. The failures and violations went all the way down to the actor level (Baldwin).
If you guys thought that John Campea delivers thoughtful and accurate reporting, then you're completely wrong. The guy just wings it everyday to make money.
@@valeria262It's a revolver, not a nuclear weapon. It's incredibly easy and very safe to open up the cylinder and check rounds. Guns are very simple tools. Baldwin did not attend his training and made many horrible mistakes. It would've been super easy for Baldwin to say, "Yo Ms. Armorer, can I please witness the safe loading of my gun. Safety is very important to me, per our industry processes."
John Campea is terribly lazy at researching these stories. He only cares about money and views. He never fails to disappoint.
Omg
The CGI sucks...The actor's reaction to real blanks, real charges is WAYYY MORE AUTHENTIC than CGI....I mean these kind of accidents are rare, its happened only 2-3 times on set in the whole history of hollywood...And only Brandon Lee's accident was truly freakish...THE other blank gun accidents have been ALL negligent.
Alec baldwin should also be charged.
Shame on her for failing to do her job correctly.
Alec, should've checked the firearm while on the set. They all failed following protocol.
Alec is also guilty. He knowingly lied about not pulling the trigger. Shouldn't be also be held accountable? The sad thing is that this was 100 percent preventable.
No he’s not.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without saying you didn't watch the video...
Fml, he SHOULDN'T check it, that's what they've just said in this video multiple times. He's not supposed to check it.
@@Bingo_the_Pug is that the standard now?
Agree. ....this crap is why we lost Brandon. Lee. Can't believe people are defending him. I mean it was not even an actual shooting scene why pull the trigger. As a producer he is responsible. I mean people have left this set because of unsafe conditions yet he didn't do a damn thing to fix it. I hope he is found guilty rules need to change about on set stuff like this.
@@pauleckert4321 Brandon Lee was killed by a blank not a live round. This is an osha issue not a criminal one. This stinks of prosecutors trying to get a pelt.
Goerge clooney says checked the gun. I think this women is full of it.
I don't think she has ever used a real prop gun. They probably handed her a plastic toy gun with fresh paint for her roles.
Blanks and live rounds look 98% the same. I would not expect an actor to know the difference by merely looking in the chamber. 2 people told him they checked and it was safe. I don't expect much to come of this in relation to Baldwin checking the gun.
Go get Baldwin now.
Isn't there a rule on set to not point the prop guns anywhere near people when firing them off. Can't they do film magic to make it look like it's being pointed at someone when it's actually not?
“Film magic” doesn’t work like that, dude.
If you've ever seen a movie, then you'd know that's obviously not a rule.
No, the actor can and sometimes does check the gun. And Baldwin was keen to make sure the police knew he knows all about that stuff...except where it helps him not to know...
They definitely are not allowed to do that.
@@movieguru23 That's just not true, according to plenty of people in the industry.
Especially, Producer-Talent people on films so as a Producer he going down.
@@o.j.brathwaite7134 I think he's safe but yes, people are forgetting his other role.
@Alec_Collins78 even as a producer he doesn't touch weapons or ammunition unless it's a "cold gun."
God John is so ridiculous. He takes an argument and subverts it making the topic about something else. Yes the actor may not have to check the gun, but he was a producer and was caught on camera hurrying everyone, this is at least liable and maybe criminal, seeing that he was THE BOSS.
How about we just stop making so many movies with guns at all? Gun culture in the US is toxic. Think of more original stories, stop with the violence.
That's ridiculous. Movies with guns are not the problem. If she had followed the correct protocols this would not have happened.
Or how about, just not have bullets in guns. Take care of the recoil, flash and gunfire sound in post
Then films will be made without swords then without highly choreographed h2h fight scenes. Once that happens then more people like stunt coordinators will be without jobs just to name a job title. That's not to mention films being boring with no action combat scenes. They need to just CGI it for post like they mentioned.
There are plenty of bike and car accidents on set too