I think some people are missing the point. Sanjin placed the cue ball in front of the headstring, resulting in an illegal hit on the break. The referee called a foul immediately and explained his ruling. Sanjin then asked to see a replay and the referee told him there's no replay for that. Sanjin THEN hits some of the balls on the table with his hand out of frustration, effectively conceding the rack, and that's when the referee got stern with him and gave him a warning for unsportsmanlike conduct. This video doesn't show that, but when watching the event live, they showed a replay where Sanjin did this. Anyone who says the referee was out of line here missed the full context of what happened. Players can't angrily smack balls with their hands... that will get you a warning every time.
You didn’t see the side by side comparison of FSR and Sanjin both doing the same exact thing but same ref only called Sanjin’s one foul. That’s his frustration. It’s like if FSR got away with it without question and took full advantage of the situation why is he penalized. Rules should be equal across the board and any doubt should be checked immediately without attitude. It’s a freaking Ref. Not God!!!
@Rich Cohen - You can't go to video replay for this... it's in the rules. Also, if in another match the referee didn't call a foul on FSR for having the cue ball over the line on the break, then they should have. However, it never looked like FSR was across the line so I don't think he fouled. Sanjin clearly fouled and then didn't know the rules about replay.
This ref is for sure suspicious he seems to favor some rather then others. Honestly he is a snooker ref should stick with that we have plenty of people we can train to be a ref who is unbiased 😂
What some people forget is the history between these two. Marcel made a "wrong" call on Sanjin with an unintentional scoop shot. So I won't be shocked if Sanjin still has this fresh in his mind.
I’ve seen this ref in a lot of snooker matches and I’ve seen him piss off a lot of snooker players. I think he needs to back off, a ref shouldn’t be able to effect a players psyche
@Joshua Bolt I get what you're saying. The ref thinks he's more important than the situation & earns a reputation over it. In England, or the whole of the UK for that matter, we call them a 'Jobsworth'... they really piss people off by grabbing the limelight & making a meal about situations.
This channel gives a like for every opinion. If someone comments: bad ref-like. If someone comments: good ref-like. I personally think he's a good ref in the sense that he knows all the rules, but he seems to be over the top strict.
It’s not unsporting ok. Why you can’t ask to see again. This is professional billiards. And he also agreed to lose one point. Don’t attack anybody too much.
I believe the base of the cueball(the part of the ball touching the felt)has to be inside the box..so basically more than 50% of the ball needs to be in the box.
you don't have to measure it that way. You can use the line already on the table or the 2 dots to create a line to measure if more than half the ball is over it. If top part of the ball exceeds the line no need to look below.
I agree in general. But where you break from does not make a difference on the level of millimeters. For example you can rack the balls with the apex ball on the spot and the spot is about 25 mm wide. They instituted the break box so players couldn't break from near the side rail because from there you can somewhat reliably break so that the apex ball is pocketed in the opposite side. Such a highly skilled controlled break isn't as desirable to some because they'd rather see an all out hard-as-you-can-hit break.
I often wondered about cue ball placement for a break. I haven’t found anything written. My question would be what part of the ball must be behind the line or in the square -the part of the ball actually touching the table or the edge of the ball?
@@vishybreh hmm. I guess it depends on what league or establishment one plays in. I just read in BCA, that the base of the ball, which is touching the table, is considered the point. In BCA, for it to be considered in the kitchen, that point must be on or behind the headstring -the same being true of an object ball. Thank you for your answer. It made me search again😉
@@drewmonroe4641 I'm a player that's best most of the top pool players, people without arms living in wheel chairs can play pool, it's not complicated, never has been so why make it so, for entertainment, bro 😂 it's pool.
There is a special break box rule in effect so you have to be behind the head string and in the center third of the table as marked by the white lines.
Yeah but technically the ball isn't all the way out of the square, which is a fact, nevermind a rule. No need to bother replying to my comment, I'm not interested. I don't care what the rules are, some rules are dumb af.
No reason he couldn’t see it on replay it’s his game the refs call there has to be a agreement before the game can continue if not anyone could pay a ref off to make calls
This is just so stupid. First of all, if it so obvious that Sanjin put the cue ball before the headstring, then he would have noticed it too. If it is not that obvious, because the cue ball was placed, milimeters or maybe even less distance ahed of the head string, then Referee should go and check it on the record. This late(after the break)call foul by the referee is such a cheap shot from both the sport, and the entire organization side. Yes you have to give attention to these things, but even on the camera top view you can’t tell it for sure, if the point where the cue ball touching the table is beyond the head string or not. If the misplacement of cue ball is so obvious that the player can’t complain and all evidence is showing that the cue ball was misplaced, then it is rightfully the referees job to call it a foul, and no player could complain, cause the evidence speaks for itself. But in the game of millimeters, where the referee is watching from meters away, a more precise machine or mechanism should be inbuilt to the side rail, like an invisible infra beam, that for sure will give you 100% proof, whether the cue ball was ahed of the head string or not. This unnecessary tension is ridiculous.
itu ditengah kalo proplayer dikasi kotak gitu bang. jd harus break dari kotak itu. nah si sanjin ini naruh bola ngelewatin garis dari kotak itu jadinya foul. kira2 begitu bang
The break box as opposed to simply breaking from behind the head string is controversial. It's designed to make it harder to make a ball (the apex ball) on the break. The other rule called the three ball rule is especially disliked. It is designed to force the player to break hard. It accomplishes that but occasionally you break hard but just by bad luck you don't meet the three ball criteria.
That's not why the ref was being rude. It's because after he told Sanjin why it was a foul and there can't be any replay, Sanjin then smacked the balls with his hand to the other end of the table, effectively "conceding" the rack in an unsportsmanlike manner. The ref then got stern with him and gave him a warning.
@brett boaz - I disagree. He was exactly how I'd expect any referee to be. In fact, all the professional pool referees are this way, it's how they're trained.
There is nothing wrong with double-checking a questionable call.
Not even close to questionable
it wasting time. same as football. yellow card if you're wasting time
I think some people are missing the point. Sanjin placed the cue ball in front of the headstring, resulting in an illegal hit on the break. The referee called a foul immediately and explained his ruling. Sanjin then asked to see a replay and the referee told him there's no replay for that. Sanjin THEN hits some of the balls on the table with his hand out of frustration, effectively conceding the rack, and that's when the referee got stern with him and gave him a warning for unsportsmanlike conduct. This video doesn't show that, but when watching the event live, they showed a replay where Sanjin did this. Anyone who says the referee was out of line here missed the full context of what happened. Players can't angrily smack balls with their hands... that will get you a warning every time.
You didn’t see the side by side comparison of FSR and Sanjin both doing the same exact thing but same ref only called Sanjin’s one foul. That’s his frustration. It’s like if FSR got away with it without question and took full advantage of the situation why is he penalized. Rules should be equal across the board and any doubt should be checked immediately without attitude. It’s a freaking Ref. Not God!!!
@Rich Cohen - You can't go to video replay for this... it's in the rules. Also, if in another match the referee didn't call a foul on FSR for having the cue ball over the line on the break, then they should have. However, it never looked like FSR was across the line so I don't think he fouled. Sanjin clearly fouled and then didn't know the rules about replay.
"missed the full context of what happened"
It seems to me that the majority of shorts do this.
Bad call.
This ref is for sure suspicious he seems to favor some rather then others. Honestly he is a snooker ref should stick with that we have plenty of people we can train to be a ref who is unbiased 😂
What some people forget is the history between these two.
Marcel made a "wrong" call on Sanjin with an unintentional scoop shot. So I won't be shocked if Sanjin still has this fresh in his mind.
Marcel has upset a few people in Snooker aswell.
@@PatrickSwayzeOnDbol yeah because he's a crap referee, one of the worst ones
Damn even fucking pool have these idiotic refs huh?
the referee does not teach the rules to the players they must know them, so they must be aware of what they do in each shot
I’ve seen this ref in a lot of snooker matches and I’ve seen him piss off a lot of snooker players. I think he needs to back off, a ref shouldn’t be able to effect a players psyche
He called it and explained his call to him. He said nothing unofficial.
Affect but yeah, I agree.
@Joshua Bolt I get what you're saying.
The ref thinks he's more important than the situation & earns a reputation over it.
In England, or the whole of the UK for that matter, we call them a 'Jobsworth'... they really piss people off by grabbing the limelight & making a meal about situations.
Perfect refereeing 👏
who did he piss off?
Get rid of that ref. He's constantly screwing players with stupid calls. Fire this guy already
I mean i get way your mad but hes just doing his job stricly
that would be different if mika is playing the match 😅😅😅
Mika woulda flipped dat pool table over 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mika would shout like a kid in kg2
🤣🤣🤣
Mika immonen woulda flipped dat pool table over 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Seems like Marcel is having something personal with Sanjin ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
Absolutely nothing wrong with that break 😂 The ball was clearly within the break box.
This channel gives a like for every opinion. If someone comments: bad ref-like.
If someone comments: good ref-like.
I personally think he's a good ref in the sense that he knows all the rules, but he seems to be over the top strict.
Mika should watch this and learn something from it. The point is, a rule is a rule and it must be strictly observed and followed.
It’s not unsporting ok. Why you can’t ask to see again. This is professional billiards. And he also agreed to lose one point. Don’t attack anybody too much.
Does the ball need to be fully in the square or jus touching. Would be great if someone posted the actual rule.
I believe the base of the cueball(the part of the ball touching the felt)has to be inside the box..so basically more than 50% of the ball needs to be in the box.
This is nothing more than the referee playing big shot
He is a good ref. Seen him mind his own business in snooker and pool for years
The player hit the balls with his hand in frustration. That's what he was warned for, it's blatantly unsportsman like conduct.
It's the base of the ball contacting the cloth is where you measure.
you don't have to measure it that way. You can use the line already on the table or the 2 dots to create a line to measure if more than half the ball is over it. If top part of the ball exceeds the line no need to look below.
Good. Ref controls the game. This is the kind of scrutiny you want at a level where millimeters are the difference between winning and losing.
I agree in general.
But where you break from does not make a difference on the level of millimeters. For example you can rack the balls with the apex ball on the spot and the spot is about 25 mm wide.
They instituted the break box so players couldn't break from near the side rail because from there you can somewhat reliably break so that the apex ball is pocketed in the opposite side. Such a highly skilled controlled break isn't as desirable to some because they'd rather see an all out hard-as-you-can-hit break.
I often wondered about cue ball placement for a break. I haven’t found anything written. My question would be what part of the ball must be behind the line or in the square -the part of the ball actually touching the table or the edge of the ball?
If you look at it from the top or the side and any part of the ball crosses the line, then it’s considered past the line and foul
@@vishybreh hmm. I guess it depends on what league or establishment one plays in. I just read in BCA, that the base of the ball, which is touching the table, is considered the point. In BCA, for it to be considered in the kitchen, that point must be on or behind the headstring -the same being true of an object ball.
Thank you for your answer. It made me search again😉
@@james3339 yeah that’s just the ruling for that specific tournament …
But I’ve always played the normal way as you described lol
Kudos
You look at the bottom of the ball, if the bottom is behind the line then you are fine but if its on or over then its a foul.
That's a stupid rule, i can't even keep up with pool anymor.e
How is it stupid if all the players agreed to the rule
Yes! I miss old pool where you can break from anywhere on the table!
@@memehierarchy6226 from behind the line you mean lol. ?
@@drewmonroe4641 I'm a player that's best most of the top pool players, people without arms living in wheel chairs can play pool, it's not complicated, never has been so why make it so, for entertainment, bro 😂 it's pool.
@@R3DNEWS I was mocking op, yes. Lol.
replay doesnt go far back enough
Top reff
Honestly the break line is the break line so it don't matter where you break from behind that
There is a special break box rule in effect so you have to be behind the head string and in the center third of the table as marked by the white lines.
@@CheatOnlyDeath he was
This is professional 9 ball. Rules are rules. Can’t just be like “I’ll let it slide this time 🤷🏽♂️”
He’s the same in snooker rubbish and holds grudges from whenever challenged
Waffle
He’s an excellent ref
Troll!
Referee sounds and moves like 3PO from star wars
These 2 have history. And how u gonna take a point because I think u can't do your job. 🤔🤨😒
Bs rule by the judge looks like to me
Did you not see the cue ball placement difference with SVB break?
Totally accurate call. Foul, ball in hand.
Is that your professional opinion???
maybe they should also put out a challenge rule in pool 😂
I wouldn't just quit..
Not if I'm sponsored lmao
I dont really understand the unsportsmanlike call from Marcel. Like doent have sanjin all rights to call a replay of the foul?
Question a decision yeah fine. But acting like a disrespectful child... Not fine. Respect the ref
Why he didn't alow Sanjin to see how he opened on camera? That would be corect
Yeah but technically the ball isn't all the way out of the square, which is a fact, nevermind a rule.
No need to bother replying to my comment, I'm not interested.
I don't care what the rules are, some rules are dumb af.
the fact they wouldnt check the shot is dumb
Maybe he would be shouting in front of ref face
sanjin was piss off.. you can take my one point..
What a stupid call
Is it base of the ball or whole ball?
I am tired and watching this and it looped...I was like oh no way he did it again after he took a break lol 😂 good night
Wow how unsportsmanlike is that guy
All these new rules are ridiculous
This referee, wow
Good ref
Refs and their egos
Rules are rules. Poor mistake
This is like cops trying to arrest you without telling you why they're doing it
I had covid 20 last week... Probably would have killed a normal man.
hell you could see it blatantly it wasn't in the box.
???? It's literally on the line so how can you say it's blatantly not in the box?
Such a weird table what is it 😂
Sanjin went to the International School of Petulant Brats with Max Verstappen
Get over it lol
Great call Marcel! Way to be fair.
The referee was spot on, and did his job.
How the ball was on the line not over😊
im not understand, foul what?😧
No reason he couldn’t see it on replay it’s his game the refs call there has to be a agreement before the game can continue if not anyone could pay a ref off to make calls
That’s annoying
If the ref already knew, he should have warned him
that's not how it works. if you play football and the refree know that youre on offside position, should he warn you?
Right in the privilege 😂😂😂
80 iq
People don’t understand, this ref doesn’t necessarily make bad calls but he doesn’t have a good demeanor when he speaks
This ref. loves the limelight. I've seen a few videos of him making moronic decisions.
كان يجب على الحكم النائم
ان يتكلم قبل اللعب ... ربما تدخل الشيطان في الامر....😢
This is just so stupid.
First of all, if it so obvious that Sanjin put the cue ball before the headstring, then he would have noticed it too.
If it is not that obvious, because the cue ball was placed, milimeters or maybe even less distance ahed of the head string, then Referee should go and check it on the record.
This late(after the break)call foul by the referee is such a cheap shot from both the sport, and the entire organization side.
Yes you have to give attention to these things, but even on the camera top view you can’t tell it for sure, if the point where the cue ball touching the table is beyond the head string or not.
If the misplacement of cue ball is so obvious that the player can’t complain and all evidence is showing that the cue ball was misplaced, then it is rightfully the referees job to call it a foul, and no player could complain, cause the evidence speaks for itself.
But in the game of millimeters, where the referee is watching from meters away, a more precise machine or mechanism should be inbuilt to the side rail, like an invisible infra beam, that for sure will give you 100% proof, whether the cue ball was ahed of the head string or not.
This unnecessary tension is ridiculous.
If you see the ball isn’t in the zone of play your are just as wrong as the player
No. The ref is only to be professional and make calls after bad shots. Not before.
ga ngerti maksudnya gimana 😅
itu ditengah kalo proplayer dikasi kotak gitu bang. jd harus break dari kotak itu. nah si sanjin ini naruh bola ngelewatin garis dari kotak itu jadinya foul. kira2 begitu bang
That's a stupid rule
The break box as opposed to simply breaking from behind the head string is controversial. It's designed to make it harder to make a ball (the apex ball) on the break. The other rule called the three ball rule is especially disliked. It is designed to force the player to break hard. It accomplishes that but occasionally you break hard but just by bad luck you don't meet the three ball criteria.
The ref was being rude asf tho for no reason he just asked to see the replay
That's not why the ref was being rude. It's because after he told Sanjin why it was a foul and there can't be any replay, Sanjin then smacked the balls with his hand to the other end of the table, effectively "conceding" the rack in an unsportsmanlike manner. The ref then got stern with him and gave him a warning.
@@chili015he was rude before that tho, like you can hear in the tone of his voice before he threw the balls he was very condescending
@brett boaz - I disagree. He was exactly how I'd expect any referee to be. In fact, all the professional pool referees are this way, it's how they're trained.