Tractor Sliding Backwards Out of Control on Ice and Snow | Scary!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- If there's a feeling I don't like getting it's the feeling of my tractor sliding out of control. Add to this the close proximity of a large tree and a building to my sliding tractor and that's a perfect recipe for disaster. With the winter weather hitting hard, I've been left a bit behind in my winter preparation and as a result, haven't gotten to putting on my tire chains on my tractor. Although I didn't think this would be a big issue, as you'll see in the video, it turned into a big issue quite quickly. With a clear demonstration of why these industrial tires on my utility tractor are not ideal candidates for snowy winter weather, I get back into winter preparation mode on today's episode as I install my Trygg tire chains. Check out the rope method I use in which I use my tractor to lift the heavy tire chains into position. With a bit of fine-tuning and some zip ties, I manage to successfully get my tire chains into position. To finish off today's episode I go back to the hill where disaster nearly happened initially and I test out the difference tire chains make. You'll be shocked how different the outcome it. Glad you're all here to watch. Here we go!
Tractor shown in this video 2012 Kioti DK40se HST with industrial tires, Wallenstein FX85 skidding winch, HLA 66" root rake with grapple on the loader.
Tire chains shown in this video: Trygg Fast Trac nosted.com/en/...
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Here I am a year later watching this and telling myself I better get at those chains... Thanks
I for once got mine on before the snow this year which I never seem to do. Great addition to have for sure though
Slam the front down when sliding backwards helps in my experience
That’d work!
Major difference using the chains! Thanks for the demonstration. - Chad
Always glad to see another video on mounting chains. Anything to make a miserable job easier. I used to take the chains off my A-C every spring until I got smart and just left them on year round (tractor's only used in winter).
Great video, love your channel,
tires like to spin on slippery rocks too and if the rocks are sharp the tires can get cut, so chains can help avoid that situation also.
Great point!
Those are sweet chains, well worth your peace of mind!!
I'm with ya there Richard!
Excellent demo! Thanks for sharing this! Glad you have these! Good method of putting them on as well! Chains can certainly be a pain to put on sometimes! Cheers Sandy!
You're right there. I"m not looking forward to putting on them coming up soon
Love the video. It brings back many memories when I drove a propane truck and had to chain up to service chicken houses---they had 12000 baby chicks. I also notice a bit of a "slip" toward the end! Great content.
Yeah can imagine the chicks need to get where they’re going in all weather
when I bought my L2501 Kubota, I thought that I wanted the R4 tires. My dealer told me that for my usage, I wouldn't like them at all. turns out, I think that he was right. He said that I would need to buy chains to plow snow and that they would not perform well in the hills. Especially in wet grass.
I went with the R1's and have no problems at all. they perform very well on wet grass, off road, and in deep snow. this is my 1st tractor with front wheel assist and I am used to having to throw chains on all of the 2wd tractors that I have had through the years. Even if I were to get stuck, I still have the bucket to push myself out with.
you have the very best chains that money can buy. those are the Cadillac of tire chains.
Great job Sandy. Thanks for sharing.
Great to hear about your experience with R1. I’m thinking about going with them next time around
Might want to look into the r14s as well. I have a John Deere 870 28hp 4x4 that I have used since 1996 plowing snow. It has r1s and they aren't bad. Much better than r4s. On my next tractor I think I'm trying the r14s.
@@jdboy9 , the R 14’s weren’t’ out yet when I got my tractor in ‘17.
I think that they are the best all purpose tire ever built.
Yeah that wet snow compacts into ice pretty quick! Night and day difference in traction, stay warm Sandy. ☕️🌴
For sure! Thanks!
I can almost hear Paul Simon singing "Slip sliding away".
Haha
Slip sliding away. It's kaput trying those hills on a chain-less Kubota. Great video of how a simple adjustment keeps the Kabota on the road.
Sure seemed like I was going nowhere fast haha.
A short bungee will replace that rope. Great video
Hi Sandy. this was kind of funny. At the beginning I thought I saw chains but could have been wrong if those were for your tires. I have never put chains on any tires, so I do not know what it entails but I do see the advantage of using them.
Have good days!
You might need some of those spikes on your boots! Nice video!
For sure. I've got those grippers that go over my boots if I can find them.
The Master of Snow!
I like seeing the snow. Stay safe out there.
Thanks Rodney! Sure is nice to look at
LOL Love the slip and slide on the tractor and you at the end. You can get ice studs for your boots also, just a thought.
I’ll have to throw those on!
Way worst than tractor sliding into a ditch is the driver ending there too.
Never ever gave a thought of a tractor with R4 tires needing chains in the winter. I’ve only used chains once on my first four wheeler that was 2wd. After putting a set v-bar chairs on it the atv was a beast.
Sure makes a difference I bet
Thought we were going to watch 15 minutes of you sliding around, fun for us not so much for you. Have a great day and hoping you stay upright!
Haha
A lot of times when hooking chains, I do the center, the inside, then the outside. I seem to get then tighter that way. Good job on getting then over the tires.
Beauty video, I'm amazed that you think to even record a video when you're sliding in the tractor... that takes guts! Just solidified my need to get chains after the ice rink that was left at the last couple days of rain + freeze cycles in Ontario. Your videos are always awesome, keep up the good work!
Thanks Shea! Truth is I didn’t know the tractor was going to slide like this. Bit of a scary situation haha
@@sawingwithsandy I could totally see that! I slid out to my tractor this morning and have decided to manually deal with the snow another way until I can break the ice underneath. Your video has helped me immensely today!
North country demands tractors have chains or get parked in favour of a snow cat. Great chains the Sweden folks know how to work in snowy winter conditions. Stay safe.
I know what ya mean there
I remember the one time I put chains on my car, I wish I had known your trick then. Genius!!! Donner pass on I-80 can snow anytime.
Glad I could help
##GRANDPA'S OPINION. THIS YEAR, I put the chains on the Johndeere before I had to roll in the mud and slush. No problem taking a 1299# bail to the barn yesterday.
Chains r good for sure.
For sure Don!
MM77 Approved 👍🏼👍🏼
I have the same tires on my tractor. On wet snow i compare them to bowling shoes on ice 😂😂😂
That's pretty much the truth right there haha
Man, either you are real good at fitting your chains or real good at editing. I have the exact same chains for my CK4010 but seems like whenever I install them, it take me longer than 5 minutes and there is a lot more swearing involved...lol
haha well I didn't do too much editing here but it did take me a few minutes longer than 5 minutes
Awesome buddy I've learned a new way to put on chains ..to bad I can't use chains on my 7060 kubota not enough room between the tire and the fender
Ah that’s too bad about the clearance. Wonder if tire studs would work?
BORA Tractor Spacers get rear tire away from body and perhaps more clearance for chains
@@sawingwithsandy it's ok I'm not worried about it it's a heavy enough tractor with it being 75 horse 4x4 with the loader and winch I don't notice really
Brrrr... Snow, why did it have to be snow? (Said in Best Indiana Jones voice.) So many years of fighting with and cussing at chains. Best from Canadian ex-pat, now in (warmer) Willamette Valley Oregon.
Yeah I know what ya mean. Sure seems like a battle fighting winter at times haha. It always wins
trygg means safe in Norwegian. Trygg chain is also produced in norway
Nice demo, thanks. I feel better about getting v-studded chains this year. Kioti CK2620. - N Idaho -
"Trygg" means "safe" in Norwegian, some of the best chains there is, also Aqualine makes similar ones just as good. I have chains front to back on my TYM T474. I slipped backbards twice just a couple of weeks ago, it took hours to unpucker the seat from my rear.
I chain up all four tires on mine, but like you put it off until it’s too late. It’s a hassle. I like to use bungee cords in an X pattern on the outside of the tire to keep the chains tight. Helps a lot. I don’t bother with the inside. Official chain tensioner‘s are nicer but bungees are cheaper.
The grapple and winch make good brakes
Hey Sandy, it's like trying to drive a curling stone, lmao...drove a 40 foot transit bus, a few years back, I know the feeling, no snows on those babies either.
haha isn't that the truth
Your chains belong somewhere beside on the bottom of whatever you have on the front. In an emergency you drop the bucket and dig it in. The grapple would work really well at digging in an stopping the slide. Once your stopped, you can put your chains on.
I was actually en route to an open spot to put the chains on in this video. Guess I better think ahead more next time. Thanks for watching Randall
You got a real good brake mounted on the front of the loader. lol
Yeah that was the next step if that tree was coming into range
Fantastic trick
Thanks award!
chains is a must specially in winter i did put mine a little different i always tighten more in the inside then the outside so after a few turn to take the slack i did not have to re tighten the inside one also i don't know if you have some chains for the front but only for really icy road ways witch happens once in a while or working in the wood with the tractor in winter but i used the chains even in summer specially if the area i was going got a lots of roots well good luck with your winter adventure and be careful even with chains i hit ice strong enough that even the spike were not effective have a great day
I like that idea about tightening the inside most first
Hi Sandy,
Why not chains on the front, as well, just so you know what direction your log grapple is headed?
Bob in VT
Hi Bob,
I think front chains are a good idea but it hasn't been one of those things that I"ve gotten around to yet. THink it's worth it though for hte slippery slopes
Tie a 12-15" rectangular piece of the wooden piece on the front tires, which helps in better traction and road grips.
I bought some tire chains for a car or pickup n there are big springs on them n I put them across the outside of the tire n pull on the tractor chain to keep everything tight.n bungee cords if I need.
I've seen those as well. Those are a great idea. Thanks for reminding me !
good video when tying any thing a round wheels my sure tire valves are not going to get caught. you need chains on all 4 tires on 4 wheel drive. if you are not driving on paved roads you can leave chains on all year long. they never take chains off skidder's here unless they have to replace a tire, have rewatched a bunch of your video's i have got most of lumber milled for sawmill shed with my mh 130 max woodland mills. have got sharpener ready but have not set up tooth setter yet. take care, be safe and well. thanks for video's
Great points John! Also good to hear that you're up and running with the samwill. I was just out with mine as well just now. Glad you're liking the videos. Happy sawing!
need Trygg boots, lol!
haha I'd buy them!
Better get some chains on the boots!😉
haha
I think I’ll get front chains this year as well
Why would you wait until winter is half over before you put the chains on ?
This video is a few years old now. In the video I put the chains on near beginning of December
If you remember to drive only in RWD you can put chains in the front to (ATV-style is enough 😉) if you get challenges with the steering. You know that feeling when it goes straight when the road turns and the latch that keeps the breakpadels connected is engaged...
You talked about tightening the chains. I was teached that on a "normal" rear tyre there should be so much slack that the fist fits between the tyre and the chain. At least when I plow snow at work, the tyres expands so much due to rising temperature that the chain almost ruins the tyres if it's to tight. I have heard of connecting chain-links that break due to the pressure of the tyre.
The chain (at least the ones we use on the tractors) is hardened, so it snaps instead of stretching. Size and speed is different but I think that the principle is the same.
I don't think that anyone is perfect, we only have different ways and wievs. Now that you winch and drag more wood, have you thought about putting some extra weight on the front end? Bolt on some iron 💪🏼? Still like your videos. You do what I would like to 👍🏼.
Great points there. I have thought about front chains but am still on the fence. May end up with chains or studs for the fronts
@@sawingwithsandy
I think that I would go for studded chains (like yours) on the rear and studless chains on the front. At work I have now studless on the rear and on the front to save the tarmac.
Keep strong in the Force, and 👍🏼👍🏼!
i have the same chains on the rear of my JD 3520. I also have studded diamond pattern on the fronts as well.
I'm thinking about adding front chains as well. Thanks for watching!
@@sawingwithsandy I have 2-link ladder chains with Vbars on the front of my JD 2520. They alone make a huge difference in the winter, and especially with loader work. I have R4s on that machine and just the front chains alone allow the machine to get around alot better in the snow. They chew away at the snow in front and leave a rough surface for the rear wheels to better grip on. I also have 2 link regular ladder chains for the rear of that machine, but they are a royal pain to mount, and since i have added the fronts i haven't needed the rears. The studded diamond chains on the 3520 are overkill for most of what I do. But today I had to move some big wood with that machine and I know that without the chains on , it would have been a battle. I will also add that tire tread pattern makes a huge difference for the front diamond chains on the 3520. The tractor came with the newer style galaxy tires that have a curved tread, unlike the traditional angled tread on your tractor and my 2520. I found that no matter what I did, the chains would walk all over the tire and get lop-sided. I found a set of front wheels with Carlisle R4s (traditional angled R4), mounted them, and the chains stay right on the center line of those tires like they should.
I’ve been told chains on the front may break front axles in certain situations. I won’t put them.
I have never put on tire chains before but you sure did make that look easy and what a difference they made! Here in Kentucky it's not a thing for needing tire chains but if I do I see the easy way to do it. Thanks and great video!
I’ve had some practice but it sure is a pain at times. Thanks for watching!
Use the rear winch and wedge to help you out?
That could work!
Try letting some air out of tire, then once chains are on an fairly tightly, then air tires a little.
I’ve got my rear tires filled with rimgaurd
Hard to do when the tires are liquid loaded
I hate to point out the obvious , but use the bucket or grapple to dig in and curl it to get where you want to go , the only thing that should stop a tractor is falling in a frozen lake or gelled fuel. Here in NC, all we get is ice and the front edge of the bucket is our only way to get around
Doesn’t the tractor slide backwards when you reposition the loader bucket to pull yourself forward each time ?
@@sawingwithsandy I guess I forgot that y’all freeze in feet, we just freeze a inch or two here in North Carolina 🤣🤪😁
What is the Grade where you are sliding?
I'm not sure on the percentage but I can say it's probably 30 feet long and rises 5 feet
Great tips on tire chains for the tractor.
On another note have you done any comparisons on sawmill blades?
For example stock 11/4 inch versus 11/2 inch from a different supplier than woodland mills?
Enjoy your content and tips and perhaps I have over looked if you already covered this topic.
NB Canada.
That would be a good video Earl. Unfortunatley I haven't as of yet. Just running the Lenox blades so far.
Great video. Thanks. Just wondering how much clearance you have between your tires and your cab? I'm looking for chains for my L4760, but not sure how much clearance is required for the Trygg studded chains.
I have quite a bit of clearance
by cj... i used chips and sawdust to help fill a dirt road... they equal mulch.. made to hold water/moisture.. i stopped doing so as this turned into slippery spots.
Can imagine. Thanks for watching
it's tie for a set of chains, mine did the same the other day, i have to invest...lol
I am a believer as they have now given me good piece of mind for sure.
How much snow do you usually get? In north of Sweden we call what you have now midsummer xD
We get around 8 to 10 feet over the course of the winter
Is the new winch heavier or lighter then the barrel weight you made?
It’s quite a bit lighter. Think the winch is around 500lb and the barrel of concrete is 1000
Those tire chains look to be worth there weight in gold if you need to use your tractor during winter up there.
Yeah they sure are worth it. They save me everyday from certain diaster I can imagine
I HATE putting on my tire chains! I have solid rims and industrial tires like yours, so there is nowhere to pass a rope through. I have not found the easy way to install mine, and it is an ordeal usually taking well over an hour, with a helper (or two). Last time, I joked about getting a second tractor so I wouldn't ever have to install chains again!
I can imagine that would give ya a headache from time to time. I'm not sure what the solution would be there. Thanks for watching Doug!
im not right when u say its not goof for deep snow that not truth even throught trygg are meant for ice its still a 5/16 chain or more so it will be good on snow and dont forget trygg chain have a diamond shape and its hugely better then normal chain
You should have put the Grapple down and scrape the surface from ice for traction!
Chains are awesome. Putting them on. Not so much.
Sure do make a big difference!
Obvious question would be why did you not just drop the bucket to stop from sliding backwards? Seems to be the most logical thing to do to prevent sliding backwards into a tree that also seems to be your biggest fear.
If things were looking like hitting the tree was imminent then I probably would've done that but I waited as it seemed to be sliding in the right direction and that way I didn't risk bending my tire chains which I was carrying on the grapple.
Are your tires loaded?
They rear tires are loaded with rimguard
Oh buddy, if you could have watched my tractor yesterday after a pretty good snow and the chains laying in my barn a mile away. North south east west and every point in between at any given moment......lol
Haha I’m not alone !
You need lots of studs.
What province in Canada do you reside in.
Ontario
@@sawingwithsandy Ontario knows big snow. Keep safe.
I’ve got chains on all 4 corners. I leave them on year round.
That's good to know Jeff. I've been thinking about that as the fronts certainly slide around.
You haven't locked your rear axel!
Think I must've accidentally cut that part out of the video
I would have thought it would be easier to back over them with a rubber strap or your rope on the end but whatever works is the way to go! You made that look easy but You're a Canadian so that should be second nature by now. lol Nobody else gets snow in North America anymore!(other than the States on the USA Canada border.
The backing over idea would work too I think. The only reason I like this way is I can make small adjustments as the tire chain starts onto the tire whereas when I am in reverse the weight of the tractor prevents me from making much adjustment
@@sawingwithsandy That makes good sense plus those chains aren't exactly light. I only ever used the little garden tractor chains for snow removal equipment. By the way nice job on the equipment shed. And explaining the one nail method so the wood won't split. The Amish do the board and baton buildings around here because they have saw mills and logging companies.
You are using the chains wrong. You should try putting them on the tires 😎
Haha
Sandy your Dif lock was not working watch the vid and you will see the left tire is not spinning with the right. I don't think it would have made a difference but I thought you should know it wasn't working.
It may have been I cut out a part of the footage when the diff was locked up. I’ll be sure to double check though to be certain. Thanks for the heads up!
Trygg is safe in Swedish 😀
Very fitting
I paved my driveway after 30 years of it being gravel. Part of it has a fair downhill slope. I thought "this will be GREAT to get the snow off....no more rolling gravel up with the snow".
So first few inches, I'm out there with the bucket pushing it off. Unfortunately, left a real thin coat on the blacktop, and NO WAY could I get back up the driveway.....ahahahhaaa.....slid all over the place. Scary as heck !. I ended up walking back up to the house, getting a couple buckets of wood ash and taking it back down and scattering out. Barely made it back up then.
I know that feeling haha
When you start sliding backwards there is a certaint amount of "pucker" factor.
I know what ya mean there haha
Lower the bucket to trasfer more weight to rear tires, or better yet, put the chains on, don't carry them on the loader
I was actually carrying them to an area to put them on when the sliding happened
I was really disappointed in seeing your tractor in action on what looks like a very small slope. Are the tires loaded? I have much older 4X4 farm tractor with Ag tires.. I believe they perform much better I have a driveway with a steep slope and never had an issue of needing chains.. Years of plowing and blowing snow.
This year could be a different story. I recently acquired a (new to me) tractor for blowing snow This one is 4x4 with industrial tires.. (the beauty of this one is heated cab.. older farm tractor above is open station.
Great job installing the chains, just be careful and pay attention of the location of the valve step.. last thing you want to do is shear it off.
As always awesome videos, keep it up
Sandy has said in previous videos that his rear tires are loaded with Rimguard. However, on ice, weight really doesn’t help a tractor much with industrial tires. Chains are a must on a tractor, especially in wet snow conditions where it turns to ice as it packs.
It is worth noting that Sandy was driving on trail that he has shown many times to be wet muskeg and otherwise boggy soil. Under the slightest pressure from a boot or a tire, the snow will sponge up that moisture, turning it into a soft version of black ice that is very slick.
Thanks for watching Rick. Hope the new tractor serves ya well!
@critical-thought , the area I'm driving in here is actually sandy soil just by my shop. The wet area is in a different part of the bush.
tire + ice = slide even if it weight 1 trillions pounds
I have nokian loaded snows on a ll6060 not much better
Seems like a lot of winter driveway clearing folks use those Nokians since we aren't allowed tire chains on our machines on the roads here
There better when its cold , smooth on the road , but snowball snow not so much.
Go slightly off track and avoid the ruts.
Thanks for watching Bony
that's not where the chains go...
haha I must've read the instructions wrong
Time for ice cleats. just saying
haha true story
I don’t know why the genius manufacturers decided to put industrial tires on a tractor.
Think the reasoning may be that they are a middle ground between aggressive Ag tires and the relatively smooth turf tires.
The buyer should be given the choice. I'm sure you've noticed how fast they go bald. Regardless of the tires, when you're sliding forget about the brake. With the brakes locked you lose your ability to steer.
You know you can drop your front loader and keep from sliding
That was my backup plan if I started sliding into something.
All you had to do was drop your winch or loader! You also can use your forks to pull yourself up the hill! We’re you really that scared ? Or are you pouring on the drama for RUclips affect?
No RUclips affect here. I wanted to see whether I could get up the hill here without chains and so waited to do any drastic measures unless I needed to like as if I were sliding into a tree or my shed
Why don't you wear gloves. You should because you could get arthritis when you older
I"m clumsy with gloves on
Your chains is Norwegian made, and the name Trygg = safe in English. IM using 4 of these om my VALTRA T160 in the loging season
Sure do work good!
I just put chains on the front, a lot easier. Just use the loader to raise the tires up👍🏼🚜🪵🇺🇸
That sure would make putting fronts on easy