As a kid I loved the line where Trixie said “if boys could just do more girly things then girls could do more boy things.” Kinda illustrating how simple the logic is.
@@Sophia-vk5bq I personally dismiss it because it goes against anything observed in sociology and psychology. For example, the biological difference of men being more interested in things and women being more interested in people, is one of not the biggest difference between male and female we are able to observe. It's also the cause while boys play with cars and such, and girls play with dolls. What's more it increases the more you neutralize cultural differences.
@@skotnica93 amazing how you say it contradicts sociology (the study of the development, structure, and functioning of human society) but then go on to argue that boys and girls are biologically Inclined to play with cars and dolls respectively, yet somehow don't see the obvious contradiction. The problem with your argument is that you're assuming because there are biological differences (no one here is arguing otherwise) between men and women then therefore ALL differences between men and women are biological. This is silly, reality is not so black and white that it's either all differences are either completely biological or completely socially constructed. Reality is nuanced. We don't need to force everyone into narrow boxes.
@@youtubesupportsfascismI doubt that the character designers thought they'd make the girls taller in this show because of puberty in real life girls 😭
@@youtubesupportsfascism lol maybe! I'd be willing to bet it's just because female characters look weird drawn short and stumpy the way Timmy and his friends are tho.
Estrogen works as a supplementary growth hormone, meaning it also makes you grow faster than a person with low levels of estrogen. The side effect is, that a person growing faster is also going to stop growing earlier, which in the long run makes you shorter the person with low levels of estrogen. And that is why (in most cases) girls are initially taller, but boys eventually surpass them.
You know sometimes I think the world would be a better place if everyone just identified themselves as nonbinary. This way no one would be gay, no one would be trans, and there'd be no gender discrimination.
Because early on he seemed to have a genuine connection to the sense of magic and wonder of childhood It's kinda tragic that he lost touch with that inner child over time and success
@@catdogmousecheese Honestly... yea that kinda makes sence in a weird sort of way Like yoshis from mario, they don't have gender but some characters like birdo are just more feminine I like the ides
A recent interview he did with pureflix he stated that while he couldn't put biblical stuff into a cartoon show he snuck in lessons about acceptance, love, and family (even tho Timmy had shitty parents). Rewatching it you can kind of see it even "Da rules" book is an allegory of the bible. Timmy couldn't cheat, interfere with true love, kill or hurt anyone, steal etc.
Where someone aligns themselves socially, politically or economically, doesn't dictate how they feel about nuanced situations. He often spoke his mind through his cartoons and I never would have guessed it was being written by a conservative christian, but with someone who identifies with children who question the asinine nature of made up social expectations.
I kinda wish Timmy got Trixie a comic book she had her eye on or something and was on recommendation from "his cousin Timmantha" who was only in town for a day or two before having to move back to Tibecuador or something just to wrap things up on that plot point. Like that'd be out of character for TImmy, but I feel like showcasing the understanding that she wants to be understood by giving her an actual birthday gift she would want, and an explanation for why Timmantha, someone who was a real friend to her, wouldn't be able to see her again, would have been a better resolution that posturing that he understands her, when she hardly knew his name before that moment
honestly i think that's really on spot for timmy's character, he's very good at telling lies on the spot that people somehow believe, no matter how ridiculous lol
And it would work so well, too. She could still have to kick him out because of other girls making fun of the gift. The problem, of course, is that it would disrupt the status quo. He's supposed to pine for Trixie and her not care about him. Can't have them actually becoming friends, especially not that early on.
Sokka from Avatar the Last Airbender didn’t have a gender swap episode like the ones discussed here, but he did have to dress up in traditionally feminine attire in order to overcome his sexist attitude. His attitude is really highlighted in the first episode of season one, and then brought back prominently in the fourth episode of season one. He loses a few fights against some female warriors, and after taking some time to reflect he apologizes for how he’d been speaking about them and asks them to teach him how to fight as well as they do. They agree, but only if he agrees to follow all of their traditions, including wearing their clothes and warrior’s makeup. Just as he starts to feel proud to be wearing their symbols of honor and bravery, the series protagonist walks by and says, “Hey Sokka, nice dress!” At the end of the episode an enemy shows up and Sokka fights alongside the female warriors. One of his opponents calls him a girl and Sokka’s about to correct him, but then decides it doesn’t matter. And at the end he apologizes to the lead warrior by saying, “I treated you like a girl when I should’ve treated you like a warrior.” She responds, “I am a warrior, but I’m a girl too,” and kisses him on the cheek. Heteronormativity aside, I think that line addresses your point about Timmy, when he says he should’ve treated Tricia like a person instead of a girl. Edit: And the upside of a show like ATLA doing this is that it’s not an episodic show, so Sokka’s lesson actually sticks!
30:33 Pregnant Cosmo was literally what cracked my egg. I had always wanted to be a parent, but I hated the idea of being a "mother" so badly. I had a doll called "big baby" that I would carry around everywhere and pretend to make food for, but if someone asked if I was his "mommy" I would start screaming and crying about how I was a daddy and I would never be a mommy. Seeing that a man was able to be pregnant and still have his masculinity reassured and his gender never questioned made me really happy back as a 6 year old, though I didn't understand why until later in life. It wasn't a gender swap, just a "gender role" swap that really helped me figure out who I was and how I wanted other people to perceive me.
Sadly its just common on real life too, a lot of girls go through puberty very early (i can say this from experience) (Ps. And im pretty sure even then little girls are just…not respected to put it lightly)
@@bornanime3255people do it irl, happened to me. Was catcalled for the first time when I was 8. I'm ugly now so not much of an issue anymore but I still remember how uncomfortable and confused I was that someone would say that stuff to me.
I remember a FAN THEORY from tumblr that Timmy is already a trans boy. His parents were so sure they were having a girl, and Cosmo kind of panics when Wanda changes Timmy into a girl eta emphasis on FAN THEORY
Yeah i saw something like that too! Here is the first result for searching trans timmy "A flashback to when his mom was pregnant with him shows his parents were expecting a girl and bought him a bunch of girly things, including his pink hat, and there are apparently childhood pictures of him in dresses that upset him to remember. His parents sometimes are depicted as wishing they had a girl, and occasionally forget Timmy’s name. He has a “shrill girly voice” that lets him imitate women like Wanda. He also seems pretty self conscious about liking boy things and pushes girls away, and gets self conscious when he does enjoy girly things and other boys mock him for it. " But the one i saw also had pictures and the theory to how everyone doesn't know anything about it. Here: "I know everyone’s talking about how the cast of Danny Phantom is full of gay and trans characters exclusively to piss of Butch Hartman but let us not forget, Butch’s bread and butter, Fairly Odd Parents… Timmy’s parents were 100% sure that Timmy was going to be a girl before he was born, as seen in the episode Secret Origin of Denzel Crocker. Cosmo seems to be the only other one in the know about this, and has baby pictures of Timmy in a dress on hand Then, in the episode The Boy Who Would Be Queen… When Wanda does, inevitably, transform Timmy into a girl to teach him a lesson… Cosmo immediately panics. AND in the episode “It’s a Wishful LIfe” when Timmy wishes he never existed… The Turners have a daughter instead. In conclusion: THEORY "Cosmo, I wish nobody remembered me as anything OTHER than Timmy Turner!" "Cool beans Timmy- O! This sounds exactly like the kind of timestream disrupting wish I'm definitely gonna handle by myself!" (Timmy’s parents) "Oh woe is us, we never had the daughter of our dreams, this is saddening" (Timmy) "Hahah, cool" (wanda) "Timmy you do not respect women so I am going to turn you into a woman to punish you" (cosmo) "Wanda, what the f" "Timmy Turner is trans and used the power of one of his fairy godparents to wish that everyone in his life completely forget that he was born and raised female for a portion of his life, including his parents and his other fairy godparent. Share to make butch hartman mad he accidentally keeps making characters trans" yeah so these r the theories i saw! And also found transfemm timmy comic on tumblr (searched again and apparently it's on twitter too)
As a non-binary AFAB person I loved this episode as a kid. I was pretty tom boyish, seeing Trixie being into comics and games made me feel less self conscious about also being into those things. Plus it was just nice to see that happy conclusion of "like what you like"
It was really comforting to me as well. I wasn't a big tomboy, but I liked some video games, playing ninjas with my brother and male friends, hated dresses and skirts, and was way more in rocks and caterpillars than most girls. However, I also loved dolls, purple was my favorite colour, I played house, and loved watching princess movies. I think in terms of gender stereotypes, I didn't fit either side, and that was healthy, so seeing Trixie like "boy" and "girl" things was so relatable.
genderswap media is under discussed, there's so many different ways to think about it, not just from a trans perspective but also as an understanding of how gender affects a how a character's actions are treated and what proportions they are draw with. Just look at fionna vs finn (adventure time). I just have a lot of feelings about her
@@elisehalflight well yeah, the show creates a great context for it! i am curious to see what they'll do with the future confirmed spin-off, if simon will be the storyteller this time? It was more so that her character just stands out as one of the more overt examples of this, partially because she was a fan created character before she was even on the show. I mean she was designed by a female comic writer, Natasha Allegri, no less, which just makes her so interesting to me... like idk the way that we subconsciously envision women with a higher value on appearance, and aesthetic appeal... i just think about her a lot. Not to say that I don't enjoy her character because as a kid, she was my favourite and I rewatched her episodes an insane amount of times.
I actually think that this episode helped me feel comfortable doing gender noncomforming things as a man. I'm not trans, and have never felt confused about my gender, but it did help me accept my sexuality of being a straight guy that liked "girly" things, and that just because I did things that other guys didn't like, or even mock, didn't inherently make me less straight. So even if it wasn't a trans awakening episode for me, at least it got me out of toxic masculinity? I guess? Also, love your videos!
Live the way you wanna live brother, other men's insecurity isn't a burden you need to bear. I'm a tall dude with colourful flowery tattoos and I enjoy loads of non-genderconforming stuff, insecure men get uneasy because they don't understand why I don't care what they think. Their problem.
That's awesome and really what children need imo. Fucking transphobes keep fear mongering that kids will immediately assume and or become trans if they see stuff like this and or look deeper into the message on the surface when children usually know already what they wish to identify as
THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHAT DESCRIBES ME! Tbh, I still don't fully understand everything related to being transgender and how that starts. But what I do understand is that the world would be a much better place without gender norms across society. It shouldn't matter whether or not I'm a boy or a girl doing something masculine or feminine. Let me do what I want without being labeled something I know I'm not or bullied for something I genuinely enjoy doing.
As a kid I liked when they had male characters that were more sensitive or had interests that were not stereotypically coded for boys, I identified with those so much, and made me so sad when it was the butt of the jokes.
Same man. Those episodes always felt so refreshing and eye opening whenever i saw them and i felt so validated whenever heard them saying that it should be okay for a boy to do girl things and girls to do boy things
The thing I find particularly interesting about The Boy Who Would Be Queen is how comfortable Timmy is living as a girl without identifying as one, while at the same time repeating so many sexist tropes about guys and gals just not being capable of understanding each other as if they're separate species. In some ways, Butch is equating gender to a costume despite his rampant chauvanism being expressed throughout the episode; in others, he's screaming that gender is something that fundamentally differentiates people. It almost feels as if he gets that gender roles are social constructs untethered to biology and that people can dress and act in certain ways irrespective of their gender... then at the same time, he is also pressing a biological essentialism to gender roles and the characteristics and stereotypes associated with it without realizing the disonnance in the narrative he is sharing. It's as if he's just a small distance away from reaching the point, but not quite there. Although, to be fair, this would then mean by his narrative's rationale, Timmy is nonbinary (bigender) since he is able to communicate with both guys and gals which as an enby I think is hilarious.
I’ll never forgive this show for giving me some lovely “boy/girl stuff is arbitrary and stupid and we can all be platonic friends interested in the same things” feels when Trixie and Timmy bond over comics and stuff, only to rip the rug out from under me by reducing her to “tell me I’m pretty” when they become the last two people on Earth. She was so cool and thoughtful and deep while still liking the “girly” stuff too and then they went “okay but what if she only likes her looks and herself all the time?”
I definitely hated that episode, but it's interesting that the girl who was pressured by society to meet certain standards of femininity and being "pretty"... Later needs people to constantly TELL her she's pretty. In the hands of a capable writer for a more mature show, that flanderization could be combined with the "Queen" episode characterization to show a girl with issues of not being comfortable in her own skin, feeling ugly because of not wanting to let go of her "boyish" attributes or hobbies.
So that means cis people are hard boiled, right? There's a tumblr post I've seen around now and then, actually, that interprets Timmy as a trans boy - Particularly, it points out how his parents seemingly expected him to be a girl when he was born, how in the timeline where he doesn't exist they have a daughter instead, baby pictures of him in dresses, Cosmo's concern in this episode when he's initially genderswapped... it clearly wasn't written with that intent, and I think the post was made mostly jokingly, given the way it directly compares FOP to one of Butch's other shows, Danny Phantom, whose main character is also interpreted by some fans to be a trans guy himself, and one commonly reblogged addition says something along the lines of "reblog to make Butch Hartman mad he keeps writing trans characters by accident" in reference to said creator's... not Great reaction to queer interpretations of his characters? But it's interesting how themes conducive to trans headcanons Do crop up in his works more regularly than you'd maybe expect.
idk about timmy but I now that there were queer writers in the danny phantom space that activly tried to code danny to be trans masc or at least queer. Butch hartman doesnt write his shows, he doesnt design his characters. He is really just the face for them.
The feelings I felt when I watched this episode for the first time in indescribable. And it was the first time I really understood that I wanted to be a girl.
I just assumed every boy watching understood that everyone would make this wish but haha big oof magic isn't real ooooohhhhhh wweeeeeellllllllllllllllll
I don't think it made me realize anything, but it definitely stuck with me. Specifically the "Buff men in tights and spandex" line, partly because it's just really funny and partly because it honestly does make a lot of sense. Sure, they're comedically indulging in gender stereotypes, but I feel like this episode was just really fun overall. God, early Fairly Oddparents was so much better than it had any right to be.... Sure, not everything worked, but this taught me that gender roles were bullshit, the 'wishing away emotions' episode helped me understand that it's not great to bottle things up because life would suck without letting yourself feel things, and the 'grey blob' episode taught me that even in an exact equal society where everyone's identical there will still be hierarchies of discrimination! How the heck did Butch Hartman end up being a super-conservative after making this crap?!? This is everything he stands against and then some, lol!
i forgot about trixie cross dressing and cosmo getting pregnant but they were important to me! i was cross dressing as “my boy cousin” (not a real person) when i was six! i loved cosmo, horses, seahorses, and seeing him embody everything i wanted at such a young age was so fundamental to me
@@UNSCMarine117 Listen very carefully under your floorboards Like Edgar Allen Pie’s telltale heart, you will hear the clicks of my wheelchair I am the disabled nonbinary cryptid
i feel like my life as a teenage robot is also a big trans cartoon, a lot of trans people who grew up with the show heavily identified with the whole "not liking your body/being ashamed of the body youre in" narrative that jenny goes through, as well as deadnaming she experiences in the first episode. some artists for the show have said that they didnt intend for the show to be a trans allegory, but they see how it can be read like that and were happy that they could make a show that resonates so well within the community
The artificial skin episodes are -chefs kiss- Also, Jenny's mom constantly deadnaming her made me so angry as a child for reasons I didn't understand yet.
Yesss! I used to keep it open but then I got my cat and he uses to go in the toilet to drink, so I had to always leave it closed. Now, it just grosses me out to leave the lid open. It's really not a difficult habit to change, so yeah close the lid, lovely people who don't do it already
I remember watching this as a gay girl in high school and thinking it was so forward-thinking. The line "If boys did more girl stuff then girls could do more boy stuff" stuck with me all this time. Timmy's gift of "I see you as a person not your gender" being the most meaningful gift at the party even as he's kicked out, too.
As a Trans girl watching this I had no idea what was actually going on in my brain and simply wondering why their weren't more episodes where boys turned into girls because they were always the best episodes and obvioussly everyone thought this way. XP
there's a whole anime / manga about a boy who turns into a girl with cold water. it's called Ranma. when i was a kid i remember watching random episodes because it kinda shocked me in a good way (?). i watched some episodes even months ago and the anime really loves to hold on to the binary and gender roles. personally i dont know yet if i belong to a certain flavour of genderqueer yet but i 100% know that being able to change my body completely (almost) whenever i want is my dream. the gender envy is there.
I am pretty ssure it was to comment on gendr, but yah the benefit is that yeah ranma is himself while both, he can be a jerk, and opportunistic, and expüloitative, and the use anything you can. Yeop he is the same, but gets more comfortable. But he clewarly has dysphoria too, else he would not go that out of the way to like be fully a guy. So its opf cours trans too.
@@leebulger7112 oh you're right! I wrote "warm water" cause I vaguely remembered that everytime he took a bath he transformed into a girl, but internet says otherwise.
I love that sometimes, Ranma was just hanging out in her girl form, like it's no big deal. Then Kuno or Happosai do something pervy and he wants to change back.
An entire kids show whose concept is gender swap is SheZow, the boy main character inherits his aunt's powers but he turns into a girl when he uses those powers. Really interesting show, loved it as a kid
The more butch Hartman argues with us about Timmy Turner and Danny Fenton not being trans the more I will argue that they absolutely are Edit: damn wtf happened in the replies. Y'all do know I was joking right. I was being silly funny. It's a headcanon. I'm not saying you have to believe it I just think it's super funny that butch Hartman argues so much about it when its harmless. Also the evidence is Danny was cloned and his clone was a girl, which shouldn't be possible if you're cloning someone's exact DNA, and Timmy is constantly stated to have been believed to be a girl by his parents, and in an episode where he asked what would happen if he didn't exist, his parents had a daughter that looks EXACTLY like him. Are you happy now?
The genderbeing trope, many a trans person's awakening lol Shame we don't get as many genderbeing episodes any more because transphobes get triggered by everything.
@@Pablo_Martin_aanot always. Sometimes they don't even point out how weird it is that the person genderbent is suddenly sexualized or a massive stereotype when they weren't either of those things before
when I first came out, I remember really wishing that more guys would be into "feminine" things and vice versa, mostly just because I wanted to dress and do whatever I wanted, but I was tired of being immediately singled out as queer for enjoying things I liked
Isn't anti-Wanda like a stereotypical southern idiot type of caricature? ............ Yeah.... Honestly, that kind-of makes sense. "I just think that them there genders are just determined by the thing between your legs!" (eats sandwich with her feet)
The anti-Wanda is too stupid to be mean though. She'd just eat a lightbulb with ranch dressing while anti-Cosmo explains his opinions on the subject. If you seen how regular Cosmo acted in this episode, you'd know how happy he was to be a girl. Also girl Cosmo is hot imo.
There is a novel I heard of set in the 1950s about women who just... spontaneously turn into dragons (trans women included, of course). It's hidden from mainstream society until there is a mass dragoning and it affects the main character's family.
Not sure what people mean by put the seat down tbh. There's the lid and the seating ring. Does the lid go down too or just the ring? Eh, has nothing to do with me since I sit.
Look sometimes you just need to sit down and even if you don't have to take a sitting down and taking a piss kind of helps your legs and give it to you in excuse
yea just put the lid down so poop particles aint flying all over, also probably decreases the likelihood of u dropping stuff in the toilet from it being open all the time lol
This is one of my favorite episodes in the show. I love how it acknowledges the fact girls/women can also be pressued to only liking things that are stereotypically girly. I feel because of how popular the idea of a tomboy has become some people forget that girls/women can be pressured and builled for liking things that are stereotypical for boys/men. Episodes like this makes me ask questions like how many girls/women actually like things like nailpolish and how many girls/women paint there nails because of societal expectations.
I have the same experience. My mom doesn't like that I have mostly masculine interests (I do have feminine interests), so she often forces me to do and wear stereotypically girly things even if I don't want to. But it can also be the other way around. Sometimes girls are shamed for having interests that are associated with femininity. Sometimes woman are only valued because they embody the masculine Ideal, and feminine women are seen as stupid and incompetent.
As a trans man who spent a whole lot of time as an eggy woman, I really didn't empathize with fellow women at all until I 'gender swapped'. I realized how much better I'm now treated as soon as I started passing as a man, so I realized how bad I was treated as a woman. It's almost like I didn't believe that I was really treated that badly, so I was annoyed with other women for complaining about it. Only once I transitioned did I really start to deconstruct my internalized misogyny. Totally the reverse scenario. Looking back it makes sense how at 12 years old I was cruel to women because of how much I hated girliness and 'girl things', but yea thinking misogynistic and gender essentialist thoughts is still something I worry heavily about as a former transmed. It still feels awkward and shameful to like 'girl things', except with a whole new layer cos now ppl use it to tell me I'll always be a woman. When that happens, I usually say well sure, that past experience of womanhood is a part of me still, and I look back fondly on the woman I used to think I was. That's not the most PC way of talking about things but I really just wanna treat the woman I thought I was with kindness, instead of the disdain she treated other women with.
Thank you for sharing. I went through something similar, though to a lesser extent I would say. That last paragraph really resonates with me. I think it's really important to treat past versions of ourself with kindness, even if (and especially when) we're glad we're not like that anymore. And hey, at the very least that person is what got me here!
I remember reading a bunch of gender swapping manga growing up. All about girls turning into/pretending to be boys. I really loved the genre. Really shoulda realized the trans thing years ago lol
I read a manga where a character pretends to be a girl (it's not entirely clear if they are or not) and they manage to make it into the contest to determine who gets to join a huge polycule. The character reveals (in a very gross way) that they lied to get in the polycule. The fun thing is that the boss of the polycule stops her assistant from doing something hasty and instead offers the character a spot in the polycule as long as they become a eunich (meaning get sterilized and don't participate in sexual activities. This manga takes place in Japan and was written a long time ago so it aged poorly) The character shouts no way and is taken out of the competition. The key takeaway here is that they COULD have been a member of the polycule and that there are trans characters in the polycule already. The manga is outdated, but I'd love to see an updated version it in anime form.
The Johnny Bravo Episode honestly felt like it could have been a finally for the show. A perfect “taste of his own medicine” that could have actually wrapped up his character at least not being so sexiest.
I only pushed passed some toxic masculinity thinking of mine during the last few years. I'm a girl who grew up with this show and episodes like it, and the discussion of trans/nonbinary inclusion has done more to help me become more well rounded in things I like than any of the conservative line in the sand thinking
Still took me till the age of 22 to realize I’m trans after watching this episode despite really wishing I could make that wish, I can still remember the excitement or just the feelings this episode brought when I first saw it. Today is the 1 year Anniversary of my egg cracking and I’ve been on estrogen for 8 months in 12 days
@@ronaid-with-an-iI’m wondering the same thing. I hear that it is a common headcanon but I found only a couple pieces of art and so far one fanfic that has a title that both tells me it’s really dated and is about a trans girl Trixie and not a trans boy. I’m not exactly helping the matter because I’m writing him to be bigender and not a trans boy and I’m far from ready to post any of it. Hopefully it’ll inspire other writers when I finally post something. Maybe enough people will stumble across these discussions and decide to make their own and post it.
I don't know if you have any interest in web comics, but "Magical Boy" by The Kao is a story about a trans boy who's forced to conform to feminine stereotypes by his magical powers. (It's much more lighthearted than it sounds, but be warned that there might be some triggering scenes for some trans folk) It has some physical copies in stores like Walmart (in the US) and I would love to see it covered!
"..and if you've never watched [the show] ..." describes my experience with roughly 90% of these video essays, btw. I'm here for your analyses and to learn about pop culture representations of trans characters & trans issues that I would otherwise have missed.
this episode is unfortunately a big part of my earlier experiences of realizing that i am trans and i feel that that is not what butch hartman wanted to do at all.
Dexter's Lab episode of Boy Named Sue felt like a transgender version of no homo like everything is so on the nose and direct its like someone was trying to write a trans origin story without actually making the character trans.
I love the effort and degree of detail you put into your video. But I think that the episode „It's A Wishful Life“ could have been referenced as it deals with an alternate reality in which instead of Timmy a girl is born in to his family. To me it was always a great metaphor on how as trans people, we, I , in the past have felt like a burden to the people around me. At times rejecting who i am. As Timmy in the end feels like should not have been born, he portrays the danger of unaliving if children, especially those who are trans, don’t feel accepted.
That line of Trixie about boys doing more girl things so that girls can do more boy stuff lives in my head since I watched it. I'm enby and that was, as you say, one of the first experiences where I clearly saw that gender roles and rules are not set in stone and kinda bs, even if I didn't have the language for it yet.
There was an episode of Round The Twist where one of the boys ends up pregnant to a tree because he peed on it and he gave birth through his mouth to a tree baby. Not a trans thing, but is something I remember from childhood haha
Round the Twist was a great show. For those unfamiliar, it was about an Australian family who lived in a lighthouse and had all kinds of weird stuff going on.
I think the really funny thing is that if this episode had premiered in 2023 it'd cause a nationwide outrage in the US over "Nickelodeon indoctrinating kids into gender ideology", even though Butch Hartman is a conservative christian. Also, Lily, you should do a video on Whatever Happened To Robot Jones' gender episode. That show was way ahead of its time.
I love that Johnny Bravo episode. Imagine if it came out today and all the misogynists got triggered and shot their TVs. "back in mah day cartoons weren't woke", yes they were, you just weren't freaked out over everything.
I'll never forget the sheer egg cracking force of playing a quest in Runescape when I was little that required that my character use a potion to change genders. They offered a free swap back after the quest was done, but I just left my character that way. Something about it felt *right* to my little egg brain.
A more extreme but similar example with sexual assault (brutal SA tw): in the Doctor Who spinoff Torchwood, a main character named Owen is a complete a-hole who isn't above using alien tech to brainwash people into sex. But then in episode 3, when he finds a machine that transmits to him the real time feelings of a women who is raped and killed- suddenly his empathy and whole character shifts in a dramatic way. This plot was also used in a spectacular way to make us suddenly empathise with a basically comepletely unempathisable character, as the experience permanently changed him. Certainly most shows won't go as dark as Torchwood did, but an interesting similar 'character is forced to empathise by living it' in some way.
This episode really spoke to me as a kid. I've never settled on the gender spectrum growing up and episodes like this made me feel seen. And then they had to go and ruin it with later episodes including never letting Trixie be more than a self centered princess ever again.
This episode is so much better than I remember it being, I think I confused it a bit in my head with the Dexter's Laboratory episode where he turns himself into a girl so he can find out what's in the girls bathroom and it turns out all women's bathrooms are hyper feminine alternate dimensions. I'm also impressed that this episode exists the way it does considering everything I know about Butch Hartman
You are banging these out so fast lately! It’s worth noting that the title of the episode is probably a reference to “The Man Who Would Be Queen”, a pop “science” book by noted transphobe J Michael Bailey. So the creators at least had some cognition that they were making a trans related episode, albeit likely lacking a healthy perspective on what trans people actually are like.
I never watched Fairly Odd Parents as a kid, so I was VERY confused when I started stumbling across genderswap art of Timmy and Johnny some years ago preceding my egg-cracking.
Honestly I always thought Timmy was trans as a kid even before I knew what that meant. "Huh his parents seemed to always get his gender wrong he must have wished to be a boy" I mean his initials are TT, he's on T, it's decided.
Because his parents really thought he was gonna be a girl, and the fact that in the episode he wishes he was never born, his parents have a daughter! So to me, Timmy Turner is a trans guy.
@@Badgerpaw apparently Hartman is very upset by trans/generally queer interpretations of his characters Mainly when those interpretations center around Timmy Turner or Danny Phantom (that or those are just the more common ones)
I think my favorite running joke in the queer community is saying something like "let me be straight" or "ill get straight to the point" and ending it with a joke about how they are in fact not straight
One of my most egg moments was thinking “Why would he want to go back to being a boy? She’s clearly happier as a girl. I know I wouldn’t want to change back.”
Honestly, you're not the only one still dealing with working through bullying in primary school. I think that hit me quite hard too. I came across a framework the other day (though I'd need to recheck my essay folder to find it. I think it might have been Burman's Deconstructing Development again) that argued that one of the reasons the label 'bullying' gets applied consistently to school and child spaces but is rarely applied to adults, is that it severs the political ramifications of abusive behaviour and rewrites it as just individual violent actions of bad people, as well as painting it as non-serious next to the words we use for adult behaviour (harrassment, abuse etc). So it's sort of set up to hide that fact that what is labelled bullying is often just misogyny, racism, classicism or ableism being replicated in per networks and thus is continuous with wider mistreatments elsewhere. I know Ringrose has some good essays as well on the way the label is often used to delegitimise conflicts between girls and import this narrative of 'Girls are all naturally nice and all innately friends by default and conflict is only a temporary blip caused by misunderstandings or 'bad' individuals' over whatever actual situations are in place. I really liked this episode, honestly I was expecting myself to be more disappointed by FoP than I was and I thought the look at these episodes in a wider context was really cool.
The term "bullying" always bothered me because it seems so unserious. Call it harassment or assault, just because kids are doing it doesn't mean it isn't harmful (obviously like really little kids stealing a toy or pushing, yeah that's bullying, but if you're in high school and getting beaten by peers that's clearly a different issue)
i was kinda obsessed with this episode as a kid. i would go to comic stores with my dad all the time as a kid, liked dresses and skirts but also more “boyish” clothes, and i would often have shorter or midlength hair cuts. cut to my early 20s and i’m a post-top feminine trans guy lol. trying to place myself nicely into societal expectation of “girls” and “boys” is what made it so hard for me to realize i just am a guy who likes girly things because i was told if i likes any girly things then i must be a girl. sorry for the ramble, but this and other gender swap episodes of cartoons in the 2000s and 2010s always had hooks in my brain lol
Transmasc here. Genderswap episodes one hundo inspired me before I even knew that trans was a thing I could be. The specific one I remember was a chapter of a manga called Ultra Maniac about teenage girls and witches. Early on the witch character turns herself and her human friend into boys to go to a party with their crushes. Not only were their male versions super cute and popular it just seemed like they had such a great time. It made me think that man...if only I could be a boy, I bet I would have such a great time as well LOL. I think it especially struck a chord with me because I hadn't really seen a female-to-male gender swap episode before. In general I know they can be somewhat problematic but I'll always continue to love genderbend / cisswap / ect ideas, episodes, and art. Gender play is just really fun, sue me.
the line where you said wanda "forcefems" timmy made me laugh so fucking hard. also the bit about nonbinary people being "right behind you, DON'T TURN AROUND" i loved that as a nb person lmao
“Women are from Neptune (?probably??), men are from Detroit, and NB people are RIGHT BEHIND YOU” I nearly choked on my drink I laughed so hard. You are a treasure, thank you for making such thoughtful videos. ❤️
This episode was so conforting to me as a kid. I used it watch Winx Club when no one was paying attention becuase I worried people would judge me for it, so seeing Timmy wanting to watch a girly show made me feel so understood. I couldnt have articulated the feeling at the time but it seems so clear in hindsight
Have you considered she’s secretly dating her best friend? I’m writing extra episodes as a part of my rewrite of the show and one of first episodes I came up with was Timmy realizing that Veronica’s obsession with Trixie is just like his crush so she probably likes her too and he uses the wish of the episode, a magic pen that writes in whoever’s handwriting the user wants, to write the love letter he was going to give Trixie himself in Veronica’s handwriting instead and gives it to Veronica to give to Trixie. It ends well and their relationship doesn’t revert after the episode. They’re dating for the rest of my rewrite except for episodes explicitly set before that one or where neither are relevant. Though my Trixie is bi and bigender and deals with the confusion of having feelings for both guys and girls, but never the people she’s expected to and also struggles with being deep in the closet. Veronica also has a complicated bi awakening where she thinks she’s straight then realizes her feelings for Trixie and thinks she must be a lesbian because she was using her feelings for Timmy to ignore her sapphic thoughts, but then realized those feelings were still genuine too. It’s a whole thing, but it’s been fun to explore.
The part where trixy felt sad about her friend not showing up really hits home because when i moved cities i didnt have any friends, was hard to make friends as a slightly feminine gay man even though I like video games and mangas My one friend was a girl who everyomr liked and her favorite manga to read was Berserk It was great having someone who i can game with and be myself around and learn about new manga/share and watch anime that she didnt know about Then, her parents had to move to a new military base and my only real friend/connection was gone and i felt what true lost was as a kid
My nonbinary ass got some weird second hand when the whole literally splitting the world in half and putting men on one side an women on the other. Like my heart f*cking dropped. Even though it's an entirely fictional scenario, it felt so uncomfortable to even think about. Nonbinary dysphoria is weird.
That's so real. It's so isolating just when teachers or places do that with kids- I can't imagine literally being seperated as entire worlds and trying to figure out which one you belong to. (On a different note, it's funny to think that trans people would be teleported to their correct world, even if they didn't know they were trans yet. Like, someone who thinks they're a man is all of a sudden with all the women? Realization would hit pretty fast lol)
do Codename: Kids Next Door next! the episode is Operation: F.U.T.U.R.E and it features a war between boys and girls in which there are guns that fire projectiles that change bodies
As a trans woman named Timmi, this episode was a core memory for me growing up. I haven't seen parts of it since and I'm glad it has parts that are a positive message. I will never forget the jealousy I felt towards timmi tho
When I was a kid there was this show called Nightmare Ned. I rewatched an episode titled "Girl Trouble" before leaving this comment. It's better than I remember. I don't know if anyone has heard of it, but it stuck with me for a long time and I was really young when I saw it, like, one time. Very early 90's style to it. Also, I love the comment section. I really didn't expect to se such heartwarming and beautiful stories about other people's experiences. It was so great. Thanks for what you are doing. It means a lot.
This episode instantly catapulted Trixie to my #1 in TFO. She acts the exact same as one of my old friends IRL, who herself faced backlash over liking "boy things", and really didn't (and currently doesn't from my sources) have many friends because of it. I just really wish she didn't ruin it right at the end. On a side note, why does she look at least 16 in her normal outfit but actually 10 in the disguise when she loses her hat? I genuinely forget she's the same age as Timmy sometimes because of her design and the disguise really put into perspective how young she truly is.
Also genderbend troupes make me so angry because like… not to be like “media turns you queer” but it’s just a fact that mulan impacted my gender identity. (edit: also because it’s cis people making this media and then getting mad at us trans people for being the life that they are imitating/ridiculing ) I didn’t want to copy mulan but it forced me to identify with a girl who made a DANGEROUS choice to imitate a man because she HAD to. And I’m just expected to NOT be affected by that???? You’re telling me to relate to a girl who becomes a man and WINS and I’m supposed to not imagine myself as a boy and get head rushed by euphoria KFJDJYVDKHFCCCJDKD
I used to *love* "girl has to dress as boy" movies as a child. Specifically ones where said girl couldn't dispatch her obligations as her girl self, so would have to swap presentation back and forth and be both a girl and a boy. In hindsight I should have figured out sooner gender isn't always binary or static and that I have more than one.
I'm not trans nor I normally look for gender related video essays to entertain me during breakfast, but I'm glad I decided to watch this one. It was interesting I really like your way of explaining and I'll continue to watch your videos
This episode and the Jimmy Neutron body swap episodes were my first egg crack experiences. I remember looking for reruns of them constantly and eventually recording them to rewatch whenever I wanted. I didn't understand at the time why I liked those episodes so much. Thanks for making this video.
I remember this one show where the whole thing about it is there was a boy that got super hero powers but every time he wanted to use his super hero powers he had to transform into a girl and I really liked it for some reason (im a trans guy )
I personally like the reminders at the end because i always forget to ngl, amazing video btw. Also the cosmo MPREG arc(?) is 100% a writers barely disguised fetish
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As a kid I loved the line where Trixie said “if boys could just do more girly things then girls could do more boy things.” Kinda illustrating how simple the logic is.
Mhm. And yet it's still so readily dismissed by adults as a political thing.
@@Sophia-vk5bq I personally dismiss it because it goes against anything observed in sociology and psychology. For example, the biological difference of men being more interested in things and women being more interested in people, is one of not the biggest difference between male and female we are able to observe. It's also the cause while boys play with cars and such, and girls play with dolls. What's more it increases the more you neutralize cultural differences.
me too!!!
Nature vs nurture lol
@@skotnica93 amazing how you say it contradicts sociology (the study of the development, structure, and functioning of human society) but then go on to argue that boys and girls are biologically Inclined to play with cars and dolls respectively, yet somehow don't see the obvious contradiction.
The problem with your argument is that you're assuming because there are biological differences (no one here is arguing otherwise) between men and women then therefore ALL differences between men and women are biological. This is silly, reality is not so black and white that it's either all differences are either completely biological or completely socially constructed. Reality is nuanced. We don't need to force everyone into narrow boxes.
I love how in this universe, girls are taller and boys are shorter, and Timmy gets taller when he becomes a girl.
@@youtubesupportsfascismI doubt that the character designers thought they'd make the girls taller in this show because of puberty in real life girls 😭
@@youtubesupportsfascism lol maybe! I'd be willing to bet it's just because female characters look weird drawn short and stumpy the way Timmy and his friends are tho.
@@ThrottleKittyto make them skinny bc that’s most important
At that age girls are taller than boys usually. So the show presents that pretty accurately.
Estrogen works as a supplementary growth hormone, meaning it also makes you grow faster than a person with low levels of estrogen. The side effect is, that a person growing faster is also going to stop growing earlier, which in the long run makes you shorter the person with low levels of estrogen.
And that is why (in most cases) girls are initially taller, but boys eventually surpass them.
I’m still curious about how Butch the mega conservative Hartman made a pretty decent display of the arbitrariness of societal gender expectations
You know sometimes I think the world would be a better place if everyone just identified themselves as nonbinary. This way no one would be gay, no one would be trans, and there'd be no gender discrimination.
Because early on he seemed to have a genuine connection to the sense of magic and wonder of childhood
It's kinda tragic that he lost touch with that inner child over time and success
@@catdogmousecheese
Honestly... yea that kinda makes sence in a weird sort of way
Like yoshis from mario, they don't have gender but some characters like birdo are just more feminine
I like the ides
A recent interview he did with pureflix he stated that while he couldn't put biblical stuff into a cartoon show he snuck in lessons about acceptance, love, and family (even tho Timmy had shitty parents). Rewatching it you can kind of see it even "Da rules" book is an allegory of the bible.
Timmy couldn't cheat, interfere with true love, kill or hurt anyone, steal etc.
Where someone aligns themselves socially, politically or economically, doesn't dictate how they feel about nuanced situations.
He often spoke his mind through his cartoons and I never would have guessed it was being written by a conservative christian, but with someone who identifies with children who question the asinine nature of made up social expectations.
I kinda wish Timmy got Trixie a comic book she had her eye on or something and was on recommendation from "his cousin Timmantha" who was only in town for a day or two before having to move back to Tibecuador or something just to wrap things up on that plot point. Like that'd be out of character for TImmy, but I feel like showcasing the understanding that she wants to be understood by giving her an actual birthday gift she would want, and an explanation for why Timmantha, someone who was a real friend to her, wouldn't be able to see her again, would have been a better resolution that posturing that he understands her, when she hardly knew his name before that moment
Tibecuador lmao
That’s sweet
honestly i think that's really on spot for timmy's character, he's very good at telling lies on the spot that people somehow believe, no matter how ridiculous lol
And it would work so well, too. She could still have to kick him out because of other girls making fun of the gift.
The problem, of course, is that it would disrupt the status quo. He's supposed to pine for Trixie and her not care about him. Can't have them actually becoming friends, especially not that early on.
@@ZipplyZane it could work like Sk8r Boi by Avril Lavigne
Sokka from Avatar the Last Airbender didn’t have a gender swap episode like the ones discussed here, but he did have to dress up in traditionally feminine attire in order to overcome his sexist attitude.
His attitude is really highlighted in the first episode of season one, and then brought back prominently in the fourth episode of season one. He loses a few fights against some female warriors, and after taking some time to reflect he apologizes for how he’d been speaking about them and asks them to teach him how to fight as well as they do. They agree, but only if he agrees to follow all of their traditions, including wearing their clothes and warrior’s makeup. Just as he starts to feel proud to be wearing their symbols of honor and bravery, the series protagonist walks by and says, “Hey Sokka, nice dress!”
At the end of the episode an enemy shows up and Sokka fights alongside the female warriors. One of his opponents calls him a girl and Sokka’s about to correct him, but then decides it doesn’t matter. And at the end he apologizes to the lead warrior by saying, “I treated you like a girl when I should’ve treated you like a warrior.” She responds, “I am a warrior, but I’m a girl too,” and kisses him on the cheek. Heteronormativity aside, I think that line addresses your point about Timmy, when he says he should’ve treated Tricia like a person instead of a girl.
Edit: And the upside of a show like ATLA doing this is that it’s not an episodic show, so Sokka’s lesson actually sticks!
I was thinking about this episode too during that part of the video
I’m so soft, reading this made me cry lol
Good point
atla deserves so much appreciation for how they developed the characters throughout the show
Maybe we can put Aang there as well, when he dressed up like Avatar Kyoshi. And someone said he's very connected to his feminine side.
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Pregnant Cosmo was literally what cracked my egg. I had always wanted to be a parent, but I hated the idea of being a "mother" so badly. I had a doll called "big baby" that I would carry around everywhere and pretend to make food for, but if someone asked if I was his "mommy" I would start screaming and crying about how I was a daddy and I would never be a mommy.
Seeing that a man was able to be pregnant and still have his masculinity reassured and his gender never questioned made me really happy back as a 6 year old, though I didn't understand why until later in life. It wasn't a gender swap, just a "gender role" swap that really helped me figure out who I was and how I wanted other people to perceive me.
mpreg cosmo changed your life😭😭
The whistling at the 10 year old girl is unfortunately completely on brand for Nickelodeon
Not during the Geraldine Laybourne era
Sadly its just common on real life too, a lot of girls go through puberty very early (i can say this from experience)
(Ps. And im pretty sure even then little girls are just…not respected to put it lightly)
Eh, ain't no biggie. Just a cartoon. Sorta thing ya can do in cartoons that ya can't do IRL
@@bornanime3255people do it irl, happened to me. Was catcalled for the first time when I was 8. I'm ugly now so not much of an issue anymore but I still remember how uncomfortable and confused I was that someone would say that stuff to me.
@@bornanime3255doesn’t really make it any less disturbing tho
I remember a FAN THEORY from tumblr that Timmy is already a trans boy. His parents were so sure they were having a girl, and Cosmo kind of panics when Wanda changes Timmy into a girl
eta emphasis on FAN THEORY
YES! THANK YOU! ❤
Yeah i saw something like that too! Here is the first result for searching trans timmy
"A flashback to when his mom was pregnant with him shows his parents were expecting a girl and bought him a bunch of girly things, including his pink hat, and there are apparently childhood pictures of him in dresses that upset him to remember. His parents sometimes are depicted as wishing they had a girl, and occasionally forget Timmy’s name. He has a “shrill girly voice” that lets him imitate women like Wanda. He also seems pretty self conscious about liking boy things and pushes girls away, and gets self conscious when he does enjoy girly things and other boys mock him for it. "
But the one i saw also had pictures and the theory to how everyone doesn't know anything about it. Here:
"I know everyone’s talking about how the cast of Danny Phantom is full of gay and trans characters exclusively to piss of Butch Hartman but let us not forget, Butch’s bread and butter, Fairly Odd Parents…
Timmy’s parents were 100% sure that Timmy was going to be a girl before he was born, as seen in the episode Secret Origin of Denzel Crocker.
Cosmo seems to be the only other one in the know about this, and has baby pictures of Timmy in a dress on hand
Then, in the episode The Boy Who Would Be Queen…
When Wanda does, inevitably, transform Timmy into a girl to teach him a lesson…
Cosmo immediately panics.
AND in the episode “It’s a Wishful LIfe” when Timmy wishes he never existed…
The Turners have a daughter instead.
In conclusion:
THEORY
"Cosmo, I wish
nobody
remembered me as
anything OTHER
than Timmy
Turner!"
"Cool beans Timmy- O! This sounds exactly like the kind of timestream disrupting wish I'm definitely gonna handle by myself!"
(Timmy’s parents)
"Oh woe is us, we never had the daughter of our dreams, this is saddening"
(Timmy)
"Hahah, cool"
(wanda)
"Timmy you do not respect women so I am going to turn you into a woman to punish you"
(cosmo)
"Wanda, what the f"
"Timmy Turner is trans and used the power of one of his fairy godparents to wish that everyone in his life completely forget that he was born and raised female for a portion of his life, including his parents and his other fairy godparent.
Share to make butch hartman mad he accidentally keeps making characters trans"
yeah so these r the theories i saw! And also found transfemm timmy comic on tumblr (searched again and apparently it's on twitter too)
Interesting. I never knew that there were trans theories for Timmy Turner, I knew about the ones for Trixie though.
@@the0black0bulletthat makes so much sense!? Like i can’t even fathom how you even do that by accident??
That's more like a headcannon
My eggy ass: "why wouldn't this be the literal first thing every kid wishes for?"
Yeeeeeah
Misread eggy as edgy and was deeply confused.
Yeah, "Why would he possibly want to turn back?"
@@Ultrakillisprettycool sane
As a non-binary AFAB person I loved this episode as a kid. I was pretty tom boyish, seeing Trixie being into comics and games made me feel less self conscious about also being into those things. Plus it was just nice to see that happy conclusion of "like what you like"
It was really comforting to me as well. I wasn't a big tomboy, but I liked some video games, playing ninjas with my brother and male friends, hated dresses and skirts, and was way more in rocks and caterpillars than most girls.
However, I also loved dolls, purple was my favorite colour, I played house, and loved watching princess movies.
I think in terms of gender stereotypes, I didn't fit either side, and that was healthy, so seeing Trixie like "boy" and "girl" things was so relatable.
Whats afab mean?
@@jkake5398assigned female at birth I think
@@cardboardking577 thats dumb, just omit it if ur that into non binaryism
@@cardboardking577 thank you
genderswap media is under discussed, there's so many different ways to think about it, not just from a trans perspective but also as an understanding of how gender affects a how a character's actions are treated and what proportions they are draw with. Just look at fionna vs finn (adventure time).
I just have a lot of feelings about her
To be fair fionna is canonically a character from a fanfic written by the ice king so it kinda... Makes sense for her to have those proportions
@@elisehalflight well yeah, the show creates a great context for it! i am curious to see what they'll do with the future confirmed spin-off, if simon will be the storyteller this time? It was more so that her character just stands out as one of the more overt examples of this, partially because she was a fan created character before she was even on the show. I mean she was designed by a female comic writer, Natasha Allegri, no less, which just makes her so interesting to me... like idk the way that we subconsciously envision women with a higher value on appearance, and aesthetic appeal... i just think about her a lot. Not to say that I don't enjoy her character because as a kid, she was my favourite and I rewatched her episodes an insane amount of times.
I think there's a new distant lands about Fiona and Cake coming out?
Well I think the new show dies a great job of exploring her character and I do like how she's really annoyed by the skirt and gets shorts instead
yes 100% this was written before that however@@geekygecko1849
I actually think that this episode helped me feel comfortable doing gender noncomforming things as a man. I'm not trans, and have never felt confused about my gender, but it did help me accept my sexuality of being a straight guy that liked "girly" things, and that just because I did things that other guys didn't like, or even mock, didn't inherently make me less straight.
So even if it wasn't a trans awakening episode for me, at least it got me out of toxic masculinity? I guess?
Also, love your videos!
Live the way you wanna live brother, other men's insecurity isn't a burden you need to bear. I'm a tall dude with colourful flowery tattoos and I enjoy loads of non-genderconforming stuff, insecure men get uneasy because they don't understand why I don't care what they think. Their problem.
@@AkuraTheAwesome True gigachads wear frilly dresses and put on makeup tbh
That's awesome and really what children need imo. Fucking transphobes keep fear mongering that kids will immediately assume and or become trans if they see stuff like this and or look deeper into the message on the surface when children usually know already what they wish to identify as
THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE IS WHAT DESCRIBES ME! Tbh, I still don't fully understand everything related to being transgender and how that starts. But what I do understand is that the world would be a much better place without gender norms across society. It shouldn't matter whether or not I'm a boy or a girl doing something masculine or feminine. Let me do what I want without being labeled something I know I'm not or bullied for something I genuinely enjoy doing.
Love to hear that bro, this is how we build a better world, more people thinking like this
As a kid I liked when they had male characters that were more sensitive or had interests that were not stereotypically coded for boys, I identified with those so much, and made me so sad when it was the butt of the jokes.
Same man. Those episodes always felt so refreshing and eye opening whenever i saw them and i felt so validated whenever heard them saying that it should be okay for a boy to do girl things and girls to do boy things
The thing I find particularly interesting about The Boy Who Would Be Queen is how comfortable Timmy is living as a girl without identifying as one, while at the same time repeating so many sexist tropes about guys and gals just not being capable of understanding each other as if they're separate species. In some ways, Butch is equating gender to a costume despite his rampant chauvanism being expressed throughout the episode; in others, he's screaming that gender is something that fundamentally differentiates people. It almost feels as if he gets that gender roles are social constructs untethered to biology and that people can dress and act in certain ways irrespective of their gender... then at the same time, he is also pressing a biological essentialism to gender roles and the characteristics and stereotypes associated with it without realizing the disonnance in the narrative he is sharing. It's as if he's just a small distance away from reaching the point, but not quite there.
Although, to be fair, this would then mean by his narrative's rationale, Timmy is nonbinary (bigender) since he is able to communicate with both guys and gals which as an enby I think is hilarious.
I’ll never forgive this show for giving me some lovely “boy/girl stuff is arbitrary and stupid and we can all be platonic friends interested in the same things” feels when Trixie and Timmy bond over comics and stuff, only to rip the rug out from under me by reducing her to “tell me I’m pretty” when they become the last two people on Earth. She was so cool and thoughtful and deep while still liking the “girly” stuff too and then they went “okay but what if she only likes her looks and herself all the time?”
I definitely hated that episode, but it's interesting that the girl who was pressured by society to meet certain standards of femininity and being "pretty"... Later needs people to constantly TELL her she's pretty.
In the hands of a capable writer for a more mature show, that flanderization could be combined with the "Queen" episode characterization to show a girl with issues of not being comfortable in her own skin, feeling ugly because of not wanting to let go of her "boyish" attributes or hobbies.
So that means cis people are hard boiled, right?
There's a tumblr post I've seen around now and then, actually, that interprets Timmy as a trans boy - Particularly, it points out how his parents seemingly expected him to be a girl when he was born, how in the timeline where he doesn't exist they have a daughter instead, baby pictures of him in dresses, Cosmo's concern in this episode when he's initially genderswapped... it clearly wasn't written with that intent, and I think the post was made mostly jokingly, given the way it directly compares FOP to one of Butch's other shows, Danny Phantom, whose main character is also interpreted by some fans to be a trans guy himself, and one commonly reblogged addition says something along the lines of "reblog to make Butch Hartman mad he keeps writing trans characters by accident" in reference to said creator's... not Great reaction to queer interpretations of his characters? But it's interesting how themes conducive to trans headcanons Do crop up in his works more regularly than you'd maybe expect.
idk about timmy but I now that there were queer writers in the danny phantom space that activly tried to code danny to be trans masc or at least queer. Butch hartman doesnt write his shows, he doesnt design his characters. He is really just the face for them.
The feelings I felt when I watched this episode for the first time in indescribable. And it was the first time I really understood that I wanted to be a girl.
I just assumed every boy watching understood that everyone would make this wish but haha big oof magic isn't real ooooohhhhhh wweeeeeellllllllllllllllll
The egg's natural habitat: Nickelodeon.
@@decorativewingdings actually, in my country Fairly Odd Parents was showed on Disney Channel
I ship Timantha with Trixie but not Timmy with Trixie.
I don't think it made me realize anything, but it definitely stuck with me. Specifically the "Buff men in tights and spandex" line, partly because it's just really funny and partly because it honestly does make a lot of sense. Sure, they're comedically indulging in gender stereotypes, but I feel like this episode was just really fun overall.
God, early Fairly Oddparents was so much better than it had any right to be.... Sure, not everything worked, but this taught me that gender roles were bullshit, the 'wishing away emotions' episode helped me understand that it's not great to bottle things up because life would suck without letting yourself feel things, and the 'grey blob' episode taught me that even in an exact equal society where everyone's identical there will still be hierarchies of discrimination!
How the heck did Butch Hartman end up being a super-conservative after making this crap?!? This is everything he stands against and then some, lol!
PLEASE talk about shezow. The plot of it was literally just a dude who accidentally found a ring that turns him into a girl superhero
Guy even has an AU counterpart named Dudepow/Gal with the reverse situation.
Strange how the show only had one season.
Ugh shezow was so good. As a kid my pfp would always be dudepow, very much an awakening
I remember this show! I watched it when I was a kid
You unlocked my memory. Why shezow was the biggest example of genderbending
Doesn't Guy just get made up like a girl (hair, makeup, clothing) in Shezow rather than a physical and/or mental transformation?
my favourite trope has alwasy been "the boy....was actually a girl" and now im non-binary and blame all the shows i watched
What you were born as, is what you are. Stop lying to yourself.
i forgot about trixie cross dressing and cosmo getting pregnant but they were important to me! i was cross dressing as “my boy cousin” (not a real person) when i was six! i loved cosmo, horses, seahorses, and seeing him embody everything i wanted at such a young age was so fundamental to me
As a non-binary person, I can confirm
Shoutout to Dave for letting me watch over his shoulder without knowing
So you don't know what you are. Get some help please.
Are you in my apartment right now?
@@GillOfTheNorth Yeah dude, you forgot the oven on, be more careful next time, I turned it off for you
I remember as a little boy watching this and thinking it was the coolest thing, now as a 19 year old girl I still think it's neat
I am a nonbinary person and can confirm we’re all Eldritch Horrors lurking behind you
Ha! Jokes on you I'm lay down on my bed!
@@UNSCMarine117 I’m under your bed
@@evanlinden4410
Tou fool! There is no under my bed! It's two blocks with no underneath!
@@UNSCMarine117 Listen very carefully under your floorboards
Like Edgar Allen Pie’s telltale heart, you will hear the clicks of my wheelchair
I am the disabled nonbinary cryptid
Honestly, who wouldn't want to be an Eldritch Horror
i feel like my life as a teenage robot is also a big trans cartoon, a lot of trans people who grew up with the show heavily identified with the whole "not liking your body/being ashamed of the body youre in" narrative that jenny goes through, as well as deadnaming she experiences in the first episode. some artists for the show have said that they didnt intend for the show to be a trans allegory, but they see how it can be read like that and were happy that they could make a show that resonates so well within the community
The artificial skin episodes are -chefs kiss-
Also, Jenny's mom constantly deadnaming her made me so angry as a child for reasons I didn't understand yet.
100% agreed on the toilet lid thing. Flush your toilet open? Now your human waste matter is all over the walls, the floor, the ceiling. Disgusting.
It’s a bathroom. Stuff can also land on things like your hair brush or toothbrush. Please leave your lid down for the love of humanity, people!
Yesss! I used to keep it open but then I got my cat and he uses to go in the toilet to drink, so I had to always leave it closed. Now, it just grosses me out to leave the lid open. It's really not a difficult habit to change, so yeah close the lid, lovely people who don't do it already
YEP. I always close the lid and have trained my bf to do so as well.
I've been doing it with the lid open my whole life
@@Nakia11798"trained"?
I remember watching this as a gay girl in high school and thinking it was so forward-thinking. The line "If boys did more girl stuff then girls could do more boy stuff" stuck with me all this time. Timmy's gift of "I see you as a person not your gender" being the most meaningful gift at the party even as he's kicked out, too.
As a Trans girl watching this I had no idea what was actually going on in my brain and simply wondering why their weren't more episodes where boys turned into girls because they were always the best episodes and obvioussly everyone thought this way. XP
there's a whole anime / manga about a boy who turns into a girl with cold water. it's called Ranma. when i was a kid i remember watching random episodes because it kinda shocked me in a good way (?). i watched some episodes even months ago and the anime really loves to hold on to the binary and gender roles. personally i dont know yet if i belong to a certain flavour of genderqueer yet but i 100% know that being able to change my body completely (almost) whenever i want is my dream. the gender envy is there.
I am pretty ssure it was to comment on gendr, but yah the benefit is that yeah ranma is himself while both, he can be a jerk, and opportunistic, and expüloitative, and the use anything you can. Yeop he is the same, but gets more comfortable.
But he clewarly has dysphoria too, else he would not go that out of the way to like be fully a guy.
So its opf cours trans too.
Actually 🤓 Ranma is a pretty bad anime. Iconic yes, but drenched in subtle transphobia.
Ranma turns into a girl with cold water and turns into a boy with warm water.
@@leebulger7112 oh you're right! I wrote "warm water" cause I vaguely remembered that everytime he took a bath he transformed into a girl, but internet says otherwise.
I love that sometimes, Ranma was just hanging out in her girl form, like it's no big deal. Then Kuno or Happosai do something pervy and he wants to change back.
An entire kids show whose concept is gender swap is SheZow, the boy main character inherits his aunt's powers but he turns into a girl when he uses those powers. Really interesting show, loved it as a kid
The more butch Hartman argues with us about Timmy Turner and Danny Fenton not being trans the more I will argue that they absolutely are
Edit: damn wtf happened in the replies. Y'all do know I was joking right. I was being silly funny. It's a headcanon. I'm not saying you have to believe it I just think it's super funny that butch Hartman argues so much about it when its harmless.
Also the evidence is Danny was cloned and his clone was a girl, which shouldn't be possible if you're cloning someone's exact DNA, and Timmy is constantly stated to have been believed to be a girl by his parents, and in an episode where he asked what would happen if he didn't exist, his parents had a daughter that looks EXACTLY like him. Are you happy now?
Oh Danny Fenton is ABSOLUTELY trans and I will die on this hill
Danny Fenton and Peter Parker are characters I always agreed with gender bend and trans headcanons for.
@@blueizumi no one can convince me peter Parker is not a trans guy I have too much at stake there
You're just delusional
more like femme hartman am i right lol
i’m being told I’m not righr
The genderbeing trope, many a trans person's awakening lol
Shame we don't get as many genderbeing episodes any more because transphobes get triggered by everything.
I don't like genderbending episodes because they're often sexualized
@@tomboytriste ist the point of does episodes to show how bs standards
@@Pablo_Martin_aanot always. Sometimes they don't even point out how weird it is that the person genderbent is suddenly sexualized or a massive stereotype when they weren't either of those things before
I think there's a new adventure time distant lands coming out about Fiona and Cake? (The gender swapped adventure time characters)
@@tomboytristealso a lot of the time it's "the boys and girls are swapped", and non binary people get left out
when I first came out, I remember really wishing that more guys would be into "feminine" things and vice versa, mostly just because I wanted to dress and do whatever I wanted, but I was tired of being immediately singled out as queer for enjoying things I liked
Such a missed opportunity not to call him Tina Turner 😭😭
They even made a joke about that in another episode.
@@daelen.cclark that was hassle in the castle, right?
I'm sure they wanted to so badly, but legally couldn't for some reason...
So. If Wanda force-femmed Timmy, does that imply that the anti-wanda is a TERF?
All anti-fae are TERFs
Anti-Wanda is an idiot. So most likely😅
Isn't anti-Wanda like a stereotypical southern idiot type of caricature?
............ Yeah.... Honestly, that kind-of makes sense.
"I just think that them there genders are just determined by the thing between your legs!" (eats sandwich with her feet)
The anti-Wanda is too stupid to be mean though. She'd just eat a lightbulb with ranch dressing while anti-Cosmo explains his opinions on the subject. If you seen how regular Cosmo acted in this episode, you'd know how happy he was to be a girl. Also girl Cosmo is hot imo.
@@Hauntakuanti-wanda is still smarter than your average terf tbf
Preeeeetty sure that once your egg has cracked you don't become poached or scrambled but rather a hatchling before turning into a dragon.
Is this trans lore?
@@astersworld6169 It should be.
@@astersworld6169 As a trans person, I’ve decided it is
There is a novel I heard of set in the 1950s about women who just... spontaneously turn into dragons (trans women included, of course). It's hidden from mainstream society until there is a mass dragoning and it affects the main character's family.
Ok but like... I didn't know there was a Barbie princess comic, and that outfit is freaking FIRE on that cover. 🔥🔥🔥
As a cis man, put the damn toilet seat down.
Not sure what people mean by put the seat down tbh. There's the lid and the seating ring. Does the lid go down too or just the ring? Eh, has nothing to do with me since I sit.
As an AMAB who is possibly a trans woman, I always keep the seat down since I always sit regardless.
Update: Came out as trans!
Look sometimes you just need to sit down and even if you don't have to take a sitting down and taking a piss kind of helps your legs and give it to you in excuse
@@Hauntaku After I use the toilet, I always put the seat and the lid down before flushing. Keeps the bacteria from spreading all over the bathroom.
yea just put the lid down so poop particles aint flying all over, also probably decreases the likelihood of u dropping stuff in the toilet from it being open all the time lol
This is one of my favorite episodes in the show. I love how it acknowledges the fact girls/women can also be pressued to only liking things that are stereotypically girly.
I feel because of how popular the idea of a tomboy has become some people forget that girls/women can be pressured and builled for liking things that are stereotypical for boys/men.
Episodes like this makes me ask questions like how many girls/women actually like things like nailpolish and how many girls/women paint there nails because of societal expectations.
I have the same experience. My mom doesn't like that I have mostly masculine interests (I do have feminine interests), so she often forces me to do and wear stereotypically girly things even if I don't want to. But it can also be the other way around. Sometimes girls are shamed for having interests that are associated with femininity. Sometimes woman are only valued because they embody the masculine Ideal, and feminine women are seen as stupid and incompetent.
As a trans man who spent a whole lot of time as an eggy woman, I really didn't empathize with fellow women at all until I 'gender swapped'. I realized how much better I'm now treated as soon as I started passing as a man, so I realized how bad I was treated as a woman. It's almost like I didn't believe that I was really treated that badly, so I was annoyed with other women for complaining about it. Only once I transitioned did I really start to deconstruct my internalized misogyny. Totally the reverse scenario. Looking back it makes sense how at 12 years old I was cruel to women because of how much I hated girliness and 'girl things', but yea thinking misogynistic and gender essentialist thoughts is still something I worry heavily about as a former transmed. It still feels awkward and shameful to like 'girl things', except with a whole new layer cos now ppl use it to tell me I'll always be a woman. When that happens, I usually say well sure, that past experience of womanhood is a part of me still, and I look back fondly on the woman I used to think I was. That's not the most PC way of talking about things but I really just wanna treat the woman I thought I was with kindness, instead of the disdain she treated other women with.
Thank you for sharing. I went through something similar, though to a lesser extent I would say. That last paragraph really resonates with me. I think it's really important to treat past versions of ourself with kindness, even if (and especially when) we're glad we're not like that anymore. And hey, at the very least that person is what got me here!
I remember reading a bunch of gender swapping manga growing up. All about girls turning into/pretending to be boys. I really loved the genre. Really shoulda realized the trans thing years ago lol
I read a manga where a character pretends to be a girl (it's not entirely clear if they are or not) and they manage to make it into the contest to determine who gets to join a huge polycule. The character reveals (in a very gross way) that they lied to get in the polycule. The fun thing is that the boss of the polycule stops her assistant from doing something hasty and instead offers the character a spot in the polycule as long as they become a eunich (meaning get sterilized and don't participate in sexual activities. This manga takes place in Japan and was written a long time ago so it aged poorly) The character shouts no way and is taken out of the competition. The key takeaway here is that they COULD have been a member of the polycule and that there are trans characters in the polycule already. The manga is outdated, but I'd love to see an updated version it in anime form.
This is the ONLY moment in the manga that is objectively poorly written.
@Hauntaku sounds like if it was rewritten for a modern audience it could be pretty good.
The Johnny Bravo Episode honestly felt like it could have been a finally for the show. A perfect “taste of his own medicine” that could have actually wrapped up his character at least not being so sexiest.
Omg yes
It sucks we didn't get to see more of Trixie's interest in dude stuff in the show, that had so much story potential
I only pushed passed some toxic masculinity thinking of mine during the last few years. I'm a girl who grew up with this show and episodes like it, and the discussion of trans/nonbinary inclusion has done more to help me become more well rounded in things I like than any of the conservative line in the sand thinking
Still took me till the age of 22 to realize I’m trans after watching this episode despite really wishing I could make that wish, I can still remember the excitement or just the feelings this episode brought when I first saw it. Today is the 1 year Anniversary of my egg cracking and I’ve been on estrogen for 8 months in 12 days
trixie in this episode was the first thing to give me the idea to hide my hair under a baseball cap and well. it's been all downhill from there.
For what it’s worth you’re still worth it. We’re here in case you’re feeling down
@@jalejablonsky2396 the sentiment is very sweet but i meant this as a facetious reference to how im trans now
Trans boy Trixie fanfic when
@@ronaid-with-an-iI’m wondering the same thing. I hear that it is a common headcanon but I found only a couple pieces of art and so far one fanfic that has a title that both tells me it’s really dated and is about a trans girl Trixie and not a trans boy. I’m not exactly helping the matter because I’m writing him to be bigender and not a trans boy and I’m far from ready to post any of it. Hopefully it’ll inspire other writers when I finally post something. Maybe enough people will stumble across these discussions and decide to make their own and post it.
I remember as a not yet trans person when Cosmo got pregnant and I was like wow
I don't know if you have any interest in web comics, but "Magical Boy" by The Kao is a story about a trans boy who's forced to conform to feminine stereotypes by his magical powers. (It's much more lighthearted than it sounds, but be warned that there might be some triggering scenes for some trans folk)
It has some physical copies in stores like Walmart (in the US) and I would love to see it covered!
"..and if you've never watched [the show] ..." describes my experience with roughly 90% of these video essays, btw. I'm here for your analyses and to learn about pop culture representations of trans characters & trans issues that I would otherwise have missed.
this episode is unfortunately a big part of my earlier experiences of realizing that i am trans and i feel that that is not what butch hartman wanted to do at all.
Butch Fartman: * creates this episode *
Eggs: * cracking noises *
Butch Fartman: "Oh no."
Eggs: * hatch *
Butch Fartman: "Oh no!"
Eggs: * wave a trans flag *
Butch Fartman: "NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"
during the "nonbinary people are from behind you. right now. don't turn around" bit i turned around and was met with my shadow. fair.
Dexter's Lab episode of Boy Named Sue felt like a transgender version of no homo like everything is so on the nose and direct its like someone was trying to write a trans origin story without actually making the character trans.
*Man*dark
Susan Astronominov is Mandark's deadname.
@17:07 not me getting teary over a 20 year old cartoon girl making and losing her best friend in one day.
As a kid, I couldn't get enough of this episode. I would check the TV guide to see when it was coming on because I loved watching it. I wonder why 😂
Dude same, I actually bought a Gameboy cartridge that played that specific episode so I could watch it whenever I wanted
I love the effort and degree of detail you put into your video. But I think that the episode „It's A Wishful Life“ could have been referenced as it deals with an alternate reality in which instead of Timmy a girl is born in to his family. To me it was always a great metaphor on how as trans people, we, I , in the past have felt like a burden to the people around me. At times rejecting who i am. As Timmy in the end feels like should not have been born, he portrays the danger of unaliving if children, especially those who are trans, don’t feel accepted.
That line of Trixie about boys doing more girl things so that girls can do more boy stuff lives in my head since I watched it. I'm enby and that was, as you say, one of the first experiences where I clearly saw that gender roles and rules are not set in stone and kinda bs, even if I didn't have the language for it yet.
There was an episode of Round The Twist where one of the boys ends up pregnant to a tree because he peed on it and he gave birth through his mouth to a tree baby. Not a trans thing, but is something I remember from childhood haha
I have no idea what this show is, and the description of the epispdeb is the scariest and most unhinged thing I've ever read
That show was terrifying
Round the Twist was a great show. For those unfamiliar, it was about an Australian family who lived in a lighthouse and had all kinds of weird stuff going on.
@@lounirsthe books the show were based on was a kind of Australian goosebumps, so a spooky/horror series for tweens
Butch Hartman really missed out on the chance to call it Femmes-dale
4:35 the best part of saying “they can see you” is you never know if its a single nonbinary person or a whole heard waiting to trans your gender.
I think the really funny thing is that if this episode had premiered in 2023 it'd cause a nationwide outrage in the US over "Nickelodeon indoctrinating kids into gender ideology", even though Butch Hartman is a conservative christian.
Also, Lily, you should do a video on Whatever Happened To Robot Jones' gender episode. That show was way ahead of its time.
I love that Johnny Bravo episode. Imagine if it came out today and all the misogynists got triggered and shot their TVs. "back in mah day cartoons weren't woke", yes they were, you just weren't freaked out over everything.
do the Johnny Test gender swap episode next.
I thought that was every episode?
or danny phantom 🫡🫡
That one's always weirded me out even as a kid but especially as an adult rewatching 💀
The one where he travels to an alternate universe with gender swapped versions of everyone?
@@shizuwolf nah the one where he gets turned into a full blown bimbo
Can we just talk about how pleasant Lily’s voice is
Like honey 🐝
I'll never forget the sheer egg cracking force of playing a quest in Runescape when I was little that required that my character use a potion to change genders. They offered a free swap back after the quest was done, but I just left my character that way. Something about it felt *right* to my little egg brain.
A more extreme but similar example with sexual assault (brutal SA tw): in the Doctor Who spinoff Torchwood, a main character named Owen is a complete a-hole who isn't above using alien tech to brainwash people into sex. But then in episode 3, when he finds a machine that transmits to him the real time feelings of a women who is raped and killed- suddenly his empathy and whole character shifts in a dramatic way.
This plot was also used in a spectacular way to make us suddenly empathise with a basically comepletely unempathisable character, as the experience permanently changed him.
Certainly most shows won't go as dark as Torchwood did, but an interesting similar 'character is forced to empathise by living it' in some way.
This episode really spoke to me as a kid. I've never settled on the gender spectrum growing up and episodes like this made me feel seen.
And then they had to go and ruin it with later episodes including never letting Trixie be more than a self centered princess ever again.
This episode is so much better than I remember it being, I think I confused it a bit in my head with the Dexter's Laboratory episode where he turns himself into a girl so he can find out what's in the girls bathroom and it turns out all women's bathrooms are hyper feminine alternate dimensions. I'm also impressed that this episode exists the way it does considering everything I know about Butch Hartman
I love how they named Timmy Tamantha, because Tammie looks like Sammie which is a nickname for Samantha
You are banging these out so fast lately! It’s worth noting that the title of the episode is probably a reference to “The Man Who Would Be Queen”, a pop “science” book by noted transphobe J Michael Bailey. So the creators at least had some cognition that they were making a trans related episode, albeit likely lacking a healthy perspective on what trans people actually are like.
This episode actually predates that book
@@hannahhannah7002 Oh does it really? My bad, I didn’t realize how long ago Fairly Odd Parents came out.
@@evieeevee ikr absolutely wild. It does result in the arguably funnier scenario where the anti trans book is in reference to the Fairly Odd Parents
I never watched Fairly Odd Parents as a kid, so I was VERY confused when I started stumbling across genderswap art of Timmy and Johnny some years ago preceding my egg-cracking.
Honestly I always thought Timmy was trans as a kid even before I knew what that meant. "Huh his parents seemed to always get his gender wrong he must have wished to be a boy"
I mean his initials are TT, he's on T, it's decided.
Because his parents really thought he was gonna be a girl, and the fact that in the episode he wishes he was never born, his parents have a daughter! So to me, Timmy Turner is a trans guy.
As good as this episode is, I can't help but feel Butch Hartman would not be supportive of the trans community
He hates the trans community. He'd be very grumpy if people decided to draw more Timantha art and write fanfiction about Timantha being trans.
@@HauntakuWhy? He probably doesn't consider Timantha a trans thing.
@@Badgerpaw apparently Hartman is very upset by trans/generally queer interpretations of his characters
Mainly when those interpretations center around Timmy Turner or Danny Phantom (that or those are just the more common ones)
pregnant cosmo was an obsession to younger me and now i understand why
I think my favorite running joke in the queer community is saying something like "let me be straight" or "ill get straight to the point" and ending it with a joke about how they are in fact not straight
One of my most egg moments was thinking “Why would he want to go back to being a boy? She’s clearly happier as a girl. I know I wouldn’t want to change back.”
I was soo envious of Trixie being able to pass as a boy so easily.
I appreciated this so much lol
The experience of fixating on gender swap episodes is crazy relatable.
You always seem to know what I like
Honestly, you're not the only one still dealing with working through bullying in primary school. I think that hit me quite hard too.
I came across a framework the other day (though I'd need to recheck my essay folder to find it. I think it might have been Burman's Deconstructing Development again) that argued that one of the reasons the label 'bullying' gets applied consistently to school and child spaces but is rarely applied to adults, is that it severs the political ramifications of abusive behaviour and rewrites it as just individual violent actions of bad people, as well as painting it as non-serious next to the words we use for adult behaviour (harrassment, abuse etc). So it's sort of set up to hide that fact that what is labelled bullying is often just misogyny, racism, classicism or ableism being replicated in per networks and thus is continuous with wider mistreatments elsewhere. I know Ringrose has some good essays as well on the way the label is often used to delegitimise conflicts between girls and import this narrative of 'Girls are all naturally nice and all innately friends by default and conflict is only a temporary blip caused by misunderstandings or 'bad' individuals' over whatever actual situations are in place.
I really liked this episode, honestly I was expecting myself to be more disappointed by FoP than I was and I thought the look at these episodes in a wider context was really cool.
The term "bullying" always bothered me because it seems so unserious. Call it harassment or assault, just because kids are doing it doesn't mean it isn't harmful (obviously like really little kids stealing a toy or pushing, yeah that's bullying, but if you're in high school and getting beaten by peers that's clearly a different issue)
7:57 how dare you give me the vivid mental image of ben shapiro doing the mr crocker "FAIRY GOD PARENTS" tic
My favorite was Totally Spies. It made me realize that girls could be boys and have long hair. Its been years but i still think about it
i was kinda obsessed with this episode as a kid. i would go to comic stores with my dad all the time as a kid, liked dresses and skirts but also more “boyish” clothes, and i would often have shorter or midlength hair cuts.
cut to my early 20s and i’m a post-top feminine trans guy lol. trying to place myself nicely into societal expectation of “girls” and “boys” is what made it so hard for me to realize i just am a guy who likes girly things because i was told if i likes any girly things then i must be a girl.
sorry for the ramble, but this and other gender swap episodes of cartoons in the 2000s and 2010s always had hooks in my brain lol
Transmasc here. Genderswap episodes one hundo inspired me before I even knew that trans was a thing I could be. The specific one I remember was a chapter of a manga called Ultra Maniac about teenage girls and witches. Early on the witch character turns herself and her human friend into boys to go to a party with their crushes. Not only were their male versions super cute and popular it just seemed like they had such a great time. It made me think that man...if only I could be a boy, I bet I would have such a great time as well LOL. I think it especially struck a chord with me because I hadn't really seen a female-to-male gender swap episode before. In general I know they can be somewhat problematic but I'll always continue to love genderbend / cisswap / ect ideas, episodes, and art. Gender play is just really fun, sue me.
I won't sue you, but I will support you, brother. :]
the line where you said wanda "forcefems" timmy made me laugh so fucking hard. also the bit about nonbinary people being "right behind you, DON'T TURN AROUND" i loved that as a nb person lmao
“Women are from Neptune (?probably??), men are from Detroit, and NB people are RIGHT BEHIND YOU”
I nearly choked on my drink I laughed so hard. You are a treasure, thank you for making such thoughtful videos. ❤️
This episode was so conforting to me as a kid. I used it watch Winx Club when no one was paying attention becuase I worried people would judge me for it, so seeing Timmy wanting to watch a girly show made me feel so understood. I couldnt have articulated the feeling at the time but it seems so clear in hindsight
Trixie is a lesbian and there is no changing my mind on that.
Have you considered she’s secretly dating her best friend? I’m writing extra episodes as a part of my rewrite of the show and one of first episodes I came up with was Timmy realizing that Veronica’s obsession with Trixie is just like his crush so she probably likes her too and he uses the wish of the episode, a magic pen that writes in whoever’s handwriting the user wants, to write the love letter he was going to give Trixie himself in Veronica’s handwriting instead and gives it to Veronica to give to Trixie. It ends well and their relationship doesn’t revert after the episode. They’re dating for the rest of my rewrite except for episodes explicitly set before that one or where neither are relevant.
Though my Trixie is bi and bigender and deals with the confusion of having feelings for both guys and girls, but never the people she’s expected to and also struggles with being deep in the closet.
Veronica also has a complicated bi awakening where she thinks she’s straight then realizes her feelings for Trixie and thinks she must be a lesbian because she was using her feelings for Timmy to ignore her sapphic thoughts, but then realized those feelings were still genuine too. It’s a whole thing, but it’s been fun to explore.
@@starlydonati2008 Is there anywhere one can check your rewrite out?
@@GameTornado01 Not quite yet. It’s currently in the development stage, but I’ll tell you when I post it. I’m glad you’re interested in it.
@@starlydonati2008 I'm looking forward to it!
The part where trixy felt sad about her friend not showing up really hits home because when i moved cities i didnt have any friends, was hard to make friends as a slightly feminine gay man even though I like video games and mangas
My one friend was a girl who everyomr liked and her favorite manga to read was Berserk
It was great having someone who i can game with and be myself around and learn about new manga/share and watch anime that she didnt know about
Then, her parents had to move to a new military base and my only real friend/connection was gone and i felt what true lost was as a kid
My nonbinary ass got some weird second hand when the whole literally splitting the world in half and putting men on one side an women on the other. Like my heart f*cking dropped. Even though it's an entirely fictional scenario, it felt so uncomfortable to even think about.
Nonbinary dysphoria is weird.
That's so real. It's so isolating just when teachers or places do that with kids- I can't imagine literally being seperated as entire worlds and trying to figure out which one you belong to.
(On a different note, it's funny to think that trans people would be teleported to their correct world, even if they didn't know they were trans yet. Like, someone who thinks they're a man is all of a sudden with all the women? Realization would hit pretty fast lol)
nice to see even timmy said "i watch this for the plot!"
do Codename: Kids Next Door next! the episode is Operation: F.U.T.U.R.E and it features a war between boys and girls in which there are guns that fire projectiles that change bodies
and there's another episode when it's revealed the hemilich character who's candy rivals with Abby was a girl at first
As a trans woman named Timmi, this episode was a core memory for me growing up. I haven't seen parts of it since and I'm glad it has parts that are a positive message. I will never forget the jealousy I felt towards timmi tho
When I was a kid there was this show called Nightmare Ned. I rewatched an episode titled "Girl Trouble" before leaving this comment. It's better than I remember. I don't know if anyone has heard of it, but it stuck with me for a long time and I was really young when I saw it, like, one time. Very early 90's style to it. Also, I love the comment section. I really didn't expect to se such heartwarming and beautiful stories about other people's experiences. It was so great. Thanks for what you are doing. It means a lot.
I’m the nonbinary people and I still turned around in shock like “another one??”
I'm suddenly picturing Ben Shapiro freaking out and screaming "TRANSGENDERS!" like Mr. Crocker
This episode instantly catapulted Trixie to my #1 in TFO. She acts the exact same as one of my old friends IRL, who herself faced backlash over liking "boy things", and really didn't (and currently doesn't from my sources) have many friends because of it. I just really wish she didn't ruin it right at the end.
On a side note, why does she look at least 16 in her normal outfit but actually 10 in the disguise when she loses her hat? I genuinely forget she's the same age as Timmy sometimes because of her design and the disguise really put into perspective how young she truly is.
Also genderbend troupes make me so angry because like… not to be like “media turns you queer” but it’s just a fact that mulan impacted my gender identity. (edit: also because it’s cis people making this media and then getting mad at us trans people for being the life that they are imitating/ridiculing )
I didn’t want to copy mulan but it forced me to identify with a girl who made a DANGEROUS choice to imitate a man because she HAD to. And I’m just expected to NOT be affected by that???? You’re telling me to relate to a girl who becomes a man and WINS and I’m supposed to not imagine myself as a boy and get head rushed by euphoria KFJDJYVDKHFCCCJDKD
I used to *love* "girl has to dress as boy" movies as a child. Specifically ones where said girl couldn't dispatch her obligations as her girl self, so would have to swap presentation back and forth and be both a girl and a boy.
In hindsight I should have figured out sooner gender isn't always binary or static and that I have more than one.
Some boomer: "Cartoons these days ar making kids gay!"
Madeline from 1993: * shows affection to a girl *
Madeline was one of my first crushes as an egg
I'm not trans nor I normally look for gender related video essays to entertain me during breakfast, but I'm glad I decided to watch this one. It was interesting
I really like your way of explaining and I'll continue to watch your videos
This episode and the Jimmy Neutron body swap episodes were my first egg crack experiences. I remember looking for reruns of them constantly and eventually recording them to rewatch whenever I wanted. I didn't understand at the time why I liked those episodes so much.
Thanks for making this video.
Sucks that this episode would cause unending rage if it came out now.
I remember this one show where the whole thing about it is there was a boy that got super hero powers but every time he wanted to use his super hero powers he had to transform into a girl and I really liked it for some reason (im a trans guy )
I personally like the reminders at the end because i always forget to ngl, amazing video btw. Also the cosmo MPREG arc(?) is 100% a writers barely disguised fetish