That reveal is one of the most heartbreaking things ever. To think this girl had gone her life with these traumatic moments and visions, only to find out that those visions are of her own death is just so fucking sad.
@@mcgfn Fuck yes! I always think this when I watch this but I never want to say it in case someone hasn't seen it. Lol but I love that movie! That scene gives me goosebumps thinking about it.
The fact that Nell was haunted by her own death her whole life is terrifying and so well done. Her fate was fixed the moment she set foot in Hill House. Love this episode
It didn’t make sense though. So she died multiple times like a time loop or something? How could her adult self not recognize her silhouette? That had me confused
It's also an allegory for depression. She had depression and other mental issues her whole life. The most horrible thing that haunts someone with depression their whole life is the thought of what could happen if it overtakes you. The person your most scared of is yourself and what you may do in the future if you can't control it or keep it at bay.
I cry every time with this episode. The house luring her in with what she wants most and turns out she just wants to be loved and accepted by her family.. Oh it cuts deep.
Nell being her own ghost this whole time is one of the best show reveals of all time in my opinion. This show haunts me and freaks me out every time but I never stop recommending it and praising it. Truly well done, and honestly terrifying. Seeing them all come ignore her call from her point of view and that all coming back was equally heart breaking. Poor nell, she deserved so much better 😢
Honestly justice for Nelly she was literally the nicest of the siblings and the best sibling to the rest of them and she's the only one who gets screwed over... feels bad :(
Episode 5 and 6 are beyond beautiful yet terrifying. The plot twist, so well directed, to think about this was Victoria Pedretti's first tv show, she’s so talented. I’m so in love with this show that I keep repeating over and over again.
@@Zombie_Trooper I would say that before this episode, the show presented as 60% horror 40% tragedy. After this episode, it presents as 60% tragedy 40% horror. Not a huge difference, but a significant one.
@@Kira1Lawliet I get your point, but I'd argue otherwise simply because modern tragedies are synonymous with misfortune and lamenting without cathartic release. Those first 4 episodes are tragic tales of notable events in their lives, unified by the most tragic of events: lost loved ones. I agree, Nellie is the most tragic, but the series was never lite on that before or after this episode. Not arguing, just my 2 cents.
I've never had a bigger reaction to anything ever. The bent neck lady reveal had my jaw hit the floor. I think I walked around the couch for like 5 min yelling "no fucking way!" My best friend who had already seen it was laughing his ass off.
7:01 Reminder that Luke WAS there, he DID show up, but Shirley unilaterally kicked him out and NEVER TOLD anyone, so everyone would just assume he completely ignored and forgot about the wedding.
the way Nell had been on a set path from the moment she set foot in that house, but Arthur being in her life changed her fate, and then his death put her right back on that path to the inevitable. It's so tragic
Another of the myriad motifs in the series is the "Fixing" motif or theme. Hugh and Olivia are fixing the house. Steven is fixing people's haunting/ghost trauma by providing rational explanations for what they've experienced, even though he's wrong about it. Shirley is fixing the dead and helping grieving families heal. Theo is fixing children. Luke is trying to fix himself. Nell is trying to fix the family as is her father.
What I haven't seen ANYONE put together is that her sleep paralysis was a sign of her demise as well because it's showing us that she also most likely didn't die immediately. Hangings can take time and, when "done incorrectly" (for lack of a better term) by falling suddenly like it shows, it is possible to essentially decapitate the head from the neck while still breathing, but losing all feeling and control over the body. It's such a phenomenal way to showcase how depression and suicidal ideation is in a way haunting one's self. Knowing Nell suffered the most undeserved horror, was more cruel-y goaded into giving the house what it wanted by making her see what she wanted (even if it seemed a kindness at first), and ended it that way is the surest tragedy in this story as it is for so many others in real life. This will always be my favorite Mike Flanagan creation and I hope he and more creators continue to make authentic and amazing interpretations of work like Hill House.
Although there's a lot to find fault with when it comes to Steven, I think he's not nearly as cold towards Nell and Luke as Theo is, which is rather surprising given she's the therapist. When the chips are down, Steve does show he loves both Nell and Luke. His actions speak louder than his words.
The gasp when he asked if she was off her meds tells you everything you need to know about how little they aren’t looking to see things from his perspective. She was off her meds. They see it as an attack because they’ve decided he’s a monster. He asked the right question, was right about his appraisal…and yes…was right to tell her that something she has never brought up once in six years shouldn’t be grieved in public to tear him down while he’s at work. But they aren’t going to see it that way because they don’t recognize he’s not the villain here
@@bryanstaebell6397i think the problem with lots of people reacting/watching this is that they WANT someone to be a villain and Steve, the one with harsh words, is the easiest to hate He is my favorite sibling (followed by Nell and Theo) and it’s frustrating how immediately people brand him as an asshole but forget he also has traumas from his childhood… he just dealt with them differently
@@aD22suShI think Steve hides his trauma and emotions the most and his attempts to be strong and logical come off as mean and/or uncaring. People have less empathy for Steve because he doesn’t seem so obviously broken, which annoys me. I like Steve a lot and can totally understand him, even with his flaws. It seems a lot of reactors are only willing to ignore and excuse the flaws of the severely broken characters. Since Steve isn’t very emotional and is financially successful he is held more accountable than, say, Luke who is a drug addict.
@@gwenjackson8583 i think it’s also the lack of empathy for the same reasons you mentioned! The rest did some fucked up shit (Like Shirley cheating on her husband and acting all mighty) and everyone is horribly harsh with Steve… I understood 100% what he was going through when you see his interactions with his mom and if you decide to put yourself on his shoes, you can definitely understand why he thought his mom was crazy
Theo is by far my LEAST favorite Crain sibling. I don't understand why she seems to be everyone's favorite. She's the closest thing the series has to a Mary Sue, the only sibling who comes off as a character in a TV show rather than a real person. She's not warm. She's not loving. She's snarky and cold and thinks she knows better than anyone else. Yet everyone thinks she's amazing. Nothing against Siegel, but Theo is the least realistic or believable character in the entire show. She could only exist in fiction.
Good to see that decades after being in Twin Peaks, Dr. Jacoby (Russ Tamblyn, the actor who played Luke in the original hill house movie, plays Nell's therapist here) is still a TERRIBLE therapist lol
But he's not. In a non-supernatural story his advice for her to return to the house would be good advice. It's not his fault that he doesn't know he's in a story about a haunted house and ghosts.
@@marigolden_mariposa If someone is facing trauma that stems from their childhood, confronting the source of that trauma is good advice. It's what pretty much most therapists would suggest.
I don't blame Nellie for feeling how she does about Steve's book, but I also think that yelling at him during a book reading was probably the absolute worst way to handle it. As he said, time and a place, and that wasn't it. The thing I love about this show is that all the characters are so complex. They all have their trauma and it's twisted them all in various ways. No black and white. They all feel very real and real people are messy and complicated and sometimes kind of awful. There's only one of the siblings I never warmed to by the end of the series, but I'll stay quite about that at the risk of spoilers.
And then he calls her out and defends himself and they go nuts saying he’s the worst and he’s a do***e lol. Can the guy not defend himself from an unprovoked attack like geez
Yeah the Steve hate is irrational. They refuse to put themselves es in the shoes of the older brother who never saw this stuff but had to try and keep his siblings together and put up with Luke stealing from him and Shirley acting high and mighty about her not taking money etc.. that shit wears you out to the point of breaking. How long do you have to carry others trauma b4 you care about yourself. His reactions are completely understandable to me
I don't get the Steve is the worst take. None of the siblings are perfect and he's no more an asshole than Shirley or Theo. Also, she WAS off her meds and behaving erratically. Like Victoria Pedretti is absolutely nailing acting as someone having a manic episode.
I started getting sleep paralysis at 8 nightly almost and I would hallucinate that something was climbing up the ladder of my bed (shaking), and I'd see shadows in the hallway like they were moving closer slowly. But the older I got it started going away, now in my late 20s I get it a few times a year but now I know to relax to make it stop. Every time I fought it, it became worse. Had one a few months ago where my curtain was blowing in the wind, I swear it looked like some ghastly woman in a dress floating towards me, def made my heart rate go up for a sec. Getting it as a kid is 1000x scarier though, no one even believed me when I told them about it because the term wasn't really known back then.
I’ve only had it happen once and weirdly it was a few months before this show came out! Woke up and it felt like i was stuck in sludge it was so hard to sit up and I just saw a dark figure across the room that looked weird and distorted. Luckily I was too focused on just trying to sit up and being confused why I felt so heavy to really get scared but if that happened as a kid I’m sure I would’ve FREAKED
@@Sageddegas sounds about right! The sludge feeling is so accurate! Also, It's always so dark when it happens, like you definitely don't absorb all the light so shadows and dark things kinda blend together. I remember sometimes my office chair with a sweater on it looks like a person looking at me! I think I've had 300+ of them if not more, and Idk why I kept having it.. But back then it was only when falling asleep at night and now I only get it if I nap it or I fall asleep a second time in the morning. (but very rarely). Always wondered why I was so prone to it but no one knew what it was and just assumed I had nightmares, wasn't until I saw it online years later I went ahhhh.
ugh when i was severely depressed i had sleep paralysis almost every night i could sleep. And it was so weird because it was always about something with claws and usually claws behind me
That's tough man, the only thing in any way similar to something like this for me (insofar as not having control over your own body) was the first time I got a cramp lol, thought I'd clogged an artery. I consider myself very lucky, in that regard. Edit: this is not an equivalent experience I wanna make that very clear lol
I watched this show the night it dropped on Netflix and I've rewatched it many times since but someone recently pointed out that the Bent Neck Lady could be a manifestation of Nell's depression whenever she felt ignored or unheard by her family and that shattered my heart. I mostly thought it was a literal haunting but this show does a great job of showing actual ghost hauntings and people being haunted by certain things. Like Luke seeing the bowler hat guy which pushed him to drug use. It also makes sense for Nell to be haunted by how she died because that's the perfect way to describe the feeling of depression.
18:50 I don't fully understand this reaction. Theo said Nell looks worse than she did 4 months ago, Luke manipulates her into buying heroin for him, but Steve assumes that Nell is not taking her medication based on her behaviour (which he's correct about 14:50) and he is the worst person in the world for saying it. Steve was also the only person to call Nell back (24:35) and took her worries about Luke seriously by calling his rehab. Help me understand!
I think it's because every other character is clearly living like an open wound and sympathy for that suspends judgement. Steve doesn't get that privilege although he is damaged. He's emotionally isolated from them which is in part his fault and in part not.
@@mrspoon6742100%. Steve doesn’t show his vulnerabilities…probably because he couldn’t show them his whole life due to to feeling like he had to always be “the big brother.” He doesn’t wear his trauma on his sleeve so people have less empathy for his struggles and flaws. He always felt like he had to be the strong one and hide his emotions…and that wears a person down. I actually really understand Steve and it annoys me how he gets so much hate for his flaws but all of the other characters get a pass for theirs because they are so obviously broken.
Most of Steve's family members exhibit clear signs of legitimate, clinical PTSD, which he has negated for decades. As intelligent as he is, he lacks emotional intelligence, as evidenced by his inability to grasp why his siblings could possibly be angry at his exploitation of their stories. I think that is a reasonable enough cause for disliking his character, even if he is not an entirely bad person.
@@Johnny_SockoI wouldn't say that. Theo and Shirley do not exhibit that either. We only see what they go through as colored that way because we have inside information.
Yeah, I got the impression they didn't catch that based on their reaction each time someone asked her (Theo asking if she changed meds, Steve, the Dr.).
I'm thinking Nellie being off her meds was a good thing. Was it showing she was now "accepting" who and what she was? and she was now showing some personality? Plus, that Dr. Montague was a quack.
@@wilhelm-z4t Nell goes off her meds when Luke goes into rehab. So he won't be affected by her taking drugs when he's trying to get clean. The twin thing.
@@jhornacek Indeed. The correlation is unmistakable. Since poor Nellie is dead and never taking drugs again, we can reasonably believe Luke won't either.
@@wilhelm-z4t Suddenly going off of the kind of medications she was probably on is never a good thing. They need to be weaned off of, otherwise serious issues can occur. Which is why everyone asks her about them/if she's taking them. Her behavior lines up pretty well with manic episodes, imo. Which is something that can happen with withdrawals from some meds. Part of how the show blends the horror/supernatural and mental health/trauma themes so well
Yes, it's because she's the most unselfish of the children. It's also why she remained close to her father. He was very unselfish as well. They understood one another. They had the tenderest interactions.
I actually felt sick at the end of this episode. From this moment on I actually HATED this house, for such wild and sick cruelty. It needs to be destroyed, and those within it set free.
SPOILER . . . . . . . But you find out later in the show that the house isn't evil at all. The only evil ghost is Poppy, who was insane in life and became an insane ghost. She drove Olivia insane, so she became an insane ghost too. All the other ghosts aren't evil at all - they're just living their best ghost lives, and in some cases, trying to help the Cranes.
As someone with depression their whole life this episode really spoke to me. The scene with her at Steven's book signing was too real cause I have acted out before like that when I was low. You feel so low that you'd do stuff you would normally never do just to feel something. Also, the most horrible thing that haunts someone with depression their whole life is the thought of what could happen if it overtakes you. The person you most fear is you, cause you fear what you may do to yourself in the future.
The therapist Nell talks to in this episode played one of the characters in the 1963 movie "The Haunting" which is based on the same book that inspired this series.
When watching this show you have to remember, we see WAY MORE than the characters do, which means we have more info, so while Steve and Shirley may appear to act like a-holes, they're reacting appropriately given the information that they have. The same grace should be extended to the psychiatrist treating Nell - I mean, this is a horror show where the supernatural is real, but in real life the way you treat someone's trauma is by making them brave enough to be able to withstand it, so if someone is afraid of, say, riding in an elevator, then you slowly push them to approach an elevator more and more overtime until they can muster up the courage to ride them. The fear won't disappear, but at least it will be managed, so him telling Nell that visiting the house and seeing it for what it is WOULD actually help Nell if this was the real world and not a TV show - the one mistake was not making sure that Nell is with someone when she goes to that house, preferably with her doctor, but he also didn't tell her to go to the house, he suggested that that's something that can be done, but Nell took it upon herself to go there without consulting with him.
The reveal was incredible. It made so much sense, but was so awful. So many great reveals in this ep. The questions about her husband... that was devastating. I think it was good for us to see Luke while he was using. I still think Steve was out of line when Luke had 30 days, but I understand the anger. It just wasn't the right time to act like that. If that angry do not invite him over. I actually think Shirley was right to send him away from the wedding. We got to see how easily he walked over Nellie. Giving the pressure of that choice to her on her wedding day isn't fair. Of course she wanted him there, but she wanted the Luke she grew up with, not a high version. I am on her side throughout the Steve confrontation. Him writing that book pissed me off. If he had shared the experiences or believed them it would feel different, but he just used his siblings. I am completely on Theo's side during their confrontation though. Theo was a bit harsh, but not until after she was forced past her boundaries. Knowing how much she can feel when touching someone or something it feels no different than Nellie punching her when she grabbed her and forcing her hand down. I think it is interesting the different sibling confrontations and shows how some of our anger can be totally justified and some can be built up on our side. Every bit of this show is perfect. Flanagan truly thinks out his writing and I love it. That is true throughout his series. Haven't hit his movies yet. Excited to do that.
I mean while I dont think I'd have written a book about it I have sympathy with Steve. Nell and Luke rely on him, he feel betrayed by his Dad etc. I became emotionally distant from my family because they risked dragging me under the water. When you're the one "coping" they'll cling to you and hate you for it. The barriers go up because you're protecting yourself from drowining. It is not healthy but its how it is. Steve is depressingly correct too. Lukes 'slick' friend did rob him. Luke has stolen from him Nell did flush her meds Imagine decades of dealing with that.
Steven does have 'sight,' which means he's not only able to 'see' or 'perceive' the supernatural, but it also gives him insights into the real world as well. Unfortunately, he chooses to ignore what he's seeing a lot of the time.
The thing about Steve is he’s pretty easy to hate but think about 2 things: 1) of course, his marriage is in the process of failing so he’s effed too, and 2) he also has just about the highest highs with everyone. Think about him at the wedding with Nell or in the treehouse with Luke; when things are easy, he’s an awesome brother. Now think how that’s gotten him beaten down over the years by a sister with depression, a brother who’s an addict, how controlling Shirley can be and how guarded Theo is. Even with his dad; how close they were and then how much he withdrew. Steve is the best when it’s easy and the worst when it’s hard.
The actor that plays Doctor Montague (Nell's Psychiatrist) in this episode played Luke in the original film version of this story back in 1963. That was a nice little casting Easter egg, I thought, for fans of the original film.
Nell: Off her meds, acting in a way that makes it pretty obvious, especially to people who know her Steve: "Are you off your meds?" Maple and Arianna: *shocked and offended* lol, what?
Yeah felt like a really bad take. Was he acting angry? Sure, with good reason. Out of the blue his sister basically publicly attacked his work in front of an audience. He's also clearly been dealing with her for quite a while and immediately recognized she's off her meds.
Steven was such a sweet kid, who was very close to his father, but he turned into a bitter, somewhat condescending and arrogant adult. We all know he's in denial about seeing ghosts and about what happened "that night." He's also angry with his father for seemingly abandoning his mother and _him_ because Hugh lost custody of the children to busybody Aunt Janet. The latter also causing issues for the other children. However, Hugh acted very appropriately by prioritizing the safety of the children by removing them from the source of danger etc. on that night. It's also ridiculous for Steven to think the _entire_ family suffers from some sort of inherited mental illness. That's not how it works, for one. Yes, they all suffer from PTSD-like issues from their Hill House trauma, but they're also being actively haunted. Also, Steven has 'sight,' he knows more than he thinks he does.
@@wilhelm-z4t 💯🎯 definitely agree with most of this! The only thing I would personally defer on is the idea that it’d be ridiculous to think everyone in the family could be suffering from mental illness. It’s certainly not always how it works, but from personal experience, it’s more common than people might think.
4:47 i always thought the same thing, but when I started having seizures and they had to do EEG's on me, I always fall asleep. They give you warmed weighted blankets and play calming music. Out like a light.
This episode cemented it for me, this goes beyond a story and into the realm of thinking deeper about life and how we live it. Ive said it before to reactions for this show and on others by Mike Flanagan, the writing is astonishing, the actors delivery is so deeply felt and the way it is filmed is tremendous, he takes you right into the story, many come for the horror or the jump scares but episode by episode you become part of the family, the story and all the while you are absorbed and begin to think about what is going on beyond the obvious. It is masterful storytelling and I think Mike Flanagan is an absolute genius and a very deep thinker. On a lighter side despite having older brother troubles myself in life and not always having the best opinion of older siblings i do actually think that Steve gets a bit of a hard time not only from his family but also from us viewers cause he does make mistakes and he does act badly sometimes but he also is there a lot for his siblings and we don't mention those moments just his bad bits and at the bottom of it I think he really missed his mom but didn't know how to deal with it being a more logical, practical type so he put it all down to his Dad and mental illness.
As someone who struggles to .. “stay alive” (for guidelines purposes) .. it does feel like it’s haunting you and inevitable. This is the best depiction in fiction of being S-word that I’ve ever seen.
Those in the know, other than the following things, what connections between this episode and the book did you catch? I noticed the last name Vance, the character of Dr. Montague, the recommended demand for one's cup of stars, the writing on the wall, someone hanging, dancing with [a] statue[s], and Eleanor feeling drawn into and affected by Hill House.
I have had two sleep paralysis episodes in my life and they are the worst. First one I saw a swarm of bats flying in the room, second one it was full insects. I wanted to throw up so bad. In end only thing that made those stop was booking out of abusive relationship. Haven't had them over 10 years now.
Remember when the mom was having her Deja vu and pointed to the stairs and said she could see “bodies swinging” This show is a masterpiece in storytelling.
How do people decide that Steve has to absolutely put up with unlimited BS from his family regardless of his own personal life? Theo also told Nell she was damaged yet i didn’t hear a single insult about her…
Exactly, all of the kids have done shitty things through the show but only Steve gets anything bad said about him. He's not perfect, not by a long shot, but everyone, except arguably Nell, have done some very bad things due to their trauma.
Ugh! "Dr." Montague. What a knucklehead! I think the dad's watch shows that Nell always was connected to her dad unlike the others. Also, another reference to clocks and time. Another important motif in the series. Five is an important motif in the series. Notice Olivia is wearing red. Red is another very important motif in the story. There's the parallel between the 5 diseased kittens and the 5 "diseased" or affected Crain children. There are the 5 stages of grief which are reflective of the children's persona: denial (Steve), anger (Shirley), bargaining (Theo), depression (Luke), and acceptance (Nell). Then there are the 5 psychic abilities (the 5 senses) which the Crain children manifest: sight (Steven), taste (Shirley), touch (Theo), smell (Luke) and hearing (Nellie). When Theo remarked to Steven that he was asleep for 99% of the last night's happenings, she WAS indirectly questioning how Steve knew what he wrote in the "Hill House" book because there was evidently more in the book than the other siblings knew. When Steve told Mrs. Walker he would write her story but change things, I think he thinks he's just embellishing the material. In fact, he's making it more real and true. Steven has psychic "sight." Everything he wrote in "Hill House" actually happened. Steve does see ghosts and more. Shirley's ability "taste" is manifested by her mouth, her sleep talk. We know how Theo's ability "touch" works. Young Theo also said the house was "cold." Little Luke said the house "smells" and little Nellie says it's "loud." They can smell and hear the ghosts. While Theo's gift is pretty cool, Steve's turns out to be coolest.
I wouldn't call Dr. Montague a knucklehead. His advice in a non-supernatural story would be 100% accurate and correct. Nell should go and confront the house - the source of all her trauma. It's not his fault that he doesn't know he's in a story with a haunted house and ghosts.
Bless you two for never having to live with a chronically mentally ill person, or grow up with them. A human being has only so much patience in them, and then you just have to be done. Remember that before you judge Steve.
Same for the person who's mentally ill as well. It's not like they can turn it off or cut off ties. I've been on both sides. A character in a movie once said: dying is easy; living is not for the faint hearted. Or something to that effect
I have a professionally manipulative drug addict younger brother, three other siblings, and a mentally ill mom who died when I was 18. I relate to Steve a lot, I relate to Steve and Luke’s relationship a lot, I relate to Steve and Shirley’s relationship a lot, I relate to having a dad who doesn’t want to talk about anything. Sometimes you just have time to accept that the nice thing is not always the right thing.
A chronically mentally ill sister AND an addict brother. Steve is by no means perfect (none of the siblings are), but Nell and Luke were definitely a double whammy for the family.
Imagine being told that you are a horrible brother repeatedly by your family. All while you subsidize their lifestyles. With the reason they say you're a bad brother.
Haunted houses aren't merely sites of 'activity' / 'phenomena' ...They _are_ phenomena, they _are_ entities; they're parapsychic singularities; 'Black Holes', in a manner of speaking.. But perhaps some are markedly more than just that... some such 'singularities' / entities are utterly malevolent -- a 'Black Hole' _with a yearning to devour..._
Wild that they're so upset with Steve for asking if Nellie is off her meds... when she literally is, and we saw her flush them down the toilet. She is lying directly to his face, and he knows it, and somehow he's the asshole? Haha, okay.
We'll see. Maybe the emotional reality of the characters will hopefully hit them more starting next episode, but I'm a bit cynical to predict that it will. I expect them to remain more concerned about the scaries than what they represent in the plot.
That reveal is one of the most heartbreaking things ever. To think this girl had gone her life with these traumatic moments and visions, only to find out that those visions are of her own death is just so fucking sad.
Lake Mungo, anyone?
@@mcgfn Fuck yes! I always think this when I watch this but I never want to say it in case someone hasn't seen it. Lol but I love that movie! That scene gives me goosebumps thinking about it.
The fact that Nell was haunted by her own death her whole life is terrifying and so well done. Her fate was fixed the moment she set foot in Hill House. Love this episode
#HouseLove
It didn’t make sense though. So she died multiple times like a time loop or something?
How could her adult self not recognize her silhouette?
That had me confused
Hold the Door!!!
It's also an allegory for depression. She had depression and other mental issues her whole life. The most horrible thing that haunts someone with depression their whole life is the thought of what could happen if it overtakes you. The person your most scared of is yourself and what you may do in the future if you can't control it or keep it at bay.
I cry every time with this episode. The house luring her in with what she wants most and turns out she just wants to be loved and accepted by her family.. Oh it cuts deep.
me too. and the moment when Luke moves aside and she can see her husband again. the house would have got me right there too. I'd be done
i was watching this miniseries expecting to be scared but i got scarred instead.
Nell being her own ghost this whole time is one of the best show reveals of all time in my opinion. This show haunts me and freaks me out every time but I never stop recommending it and praising it. Truly well done, and honestly terrifying. Seeing them all come ignore her call from her point of view and that all coming back was equally heart breaking. Poor nell, she deserved so much better 😢
Honestly justice for Nelly she was literally the nicest of the siblings and the best sibling to the rest of them and she's the only one who gets screwed over... feels bad :(
Victoria Pedretti's first major role was playing adult Nell in this show. She does a d@mn good job.
I almost couldn’t believe it when I first learned that. Imo she was the standout performance in a show already FULL of amazing performances.
Episode 5 and 6 are beyond beautiful yet terrifying. The plot twist, so well directed, to think about this was Victoria Pedretti's first tv show, she’s so talented. I’m so in love with this show that I keep repeating over and over again.
This is the point where the show shifts from being a horror series to a tragedy.
And then... Luke's episode.
@@pcapusso Lukes episode was the one before, think theyre the best 2 and the next epxiode makes it the best 3 in the season.
It was already a tragedy.
@@Zombie_Trooper I would say that before this episode, the show presented as 60% horror 40% tragedy. After this episode, it presents as 60% tragedy 40% horror. Not a huge difference, but a significant one.
@@Kira1Lawliet I get your point, but I'd argue otherwise simply because modern tragedies are synonymous with misfortune and lamenting without cathartic release. Those first 4 episodes are tragic tales of notable events in their lives, unified by the most tragic of events: lost loved ones. I agree, Nellie is the most tragic, but the series was never lite on that before or after this episode. Not arguing, just my 2 cents.
I've never had a bigger reaction to anything ever. The bent neck lady reveal had my jaw hit the floor. I think I walked around the couch for like 5 min yelling "no fucking way!" My best friend who had already seen it was laughing his ass off.
"I need a sound bath" is one of the best ever reactions to the existential horror of this episode.
7:01 Reminder that Luke WAS there, he DID show up, but Shirley unilaterally kicked him out and NEVER TOLD anyone, so everyone would just assume he completely ignored and forgot about the wedding.
the way Nell had been on a set path from the moment she set foot in that house, but Arthur being in her life changed her fate, and then his death put her right back on that path to the inevitable. It's so tragic
Another of the myriad motifs in the series is the "Fixing" motif or theme. Hugh and Olivia are fixing the house. Steven is fixing people's haunting/ghost trauma by providing rational explanations for what they've experienced, even though he's wrong about it. Shirley is fixing the dead and helping grieving families heal. Theo is fixing children. Luke is trying to fix himself. Nell is trying to fix the family as is her father.
What I haven't seen ANYONE put together is that her sleep paralysis was a sign of her demise as well because it's showing us that she also most likely didn't die immediately. Hangings can take time and, when "done incorrectly" (for lack of a better term) by falling suddenly like it shows, it is possible to essentially decapitate the head from the neck while still breathing, but losing all feeling and control over the body. It's such a phenomenal way to showcase how depression and suicidal ideation is in a way haunting one's self. Knowing Nell suffered the most undeserved horror, was more cruel-y goaded into giving the house what it wanted by making her see what she wanted (even if it seemed a kindness at first), and ended it that way is the surest tragedy in this story as it is for so many others in real life. This will always be my favorite Mike Flanagan creation and I hope he and more creators continue to make authentic and amazing interpretations of work like Hill House.
Although there's a lot to find fault with when it comes to Steven, I think he's not nearly as cold towards Nell and Luke as Theo is, which is rather surprising given she's the therapist. When the chips are down, Steve does show he loves both Nell and Luke. His actions speak louder than his words.
The gasp when he asked if she was off her meds tells you everything you need to know about how little they aren’t looking to see things from his perspective.
She was off her meds. They see it as an attack because they’ve decided he’s a monster. He asked the right question, was right about his appraisal…and yes…was right to tell her that something she has never brought up once in six years shouldn’t be grieved in public to tear him down while he’s at work.
But they aren’t going to see it that way because they don’t recognize he’s not the villain here
@@bryanstaebell6397i think the problem with lots of people reacting/watching this is that they WANT someone to be a villain and Steve, the one with harsh words, is the easiest to hate
He is my favorite sibling (followed by Nell and Theo) and it’s frustrating how immediately people brand him as an asshole but forget he also has traumas from his childhood… he just dealt with them differently
@@aD22suShI think Steve hides his trauma and emotions the most and his attempts to be strong and logical come off as mean and/or uncaring. People have less empathy for Steve because he doesn’t seem so obviously broken, which annoys me. I like Steve a lot and can totally understand him, even with his flaws. It seems a lot of reactors are only willing to ignore and excuse the flaws of the severely broken characters. Since Steve isn’t very emotional and is financially successful he is held more accountable than, say, Luke who is a drug addict.
@@gwenjackson8583 i think it’s also the lack of empathy for the same reasons you mentioned! The rest did some fucked up shit (Like Shirley cheating on her husband and acting all mighty) and everyone is horribly harsh with Steve…
I understood 100% what he was going through when you see his interactions with his mom and if you decide to put yourself on his shoes, you can definitely understand why he thought his mom was crazy
Theo is by far my LEAST favorite Crain sibling. I don't understand why she seems to be everyone's favorite. She's the closest thing the series has to a Mary Sue, the only sibling who comes off as a character in a TV show rather than a real person. She's not warm. She's not loving. She's snarky and cold and thinks she knows better than anyone else. Yet everyone thinks she's amazing. Nothing against Siegel, but Theo is the least realistic or believable character in the entire show. She could only exist in fiction.
Shivers at that reveal every time, I swear.
Eleanor's fiancé in the show is Arthur Vance. In the Shirley Jackson novel, The Haunting of Hill House, the main character's name is Eleanor Vance.
Good to see that decades after being in Twin Peaks, Dr. Jacoby (Russ Tamblyn, the actor who played Luke in the original hill house movie, plays Nell's therapist here) is still a TERRIBLE therapist lol
"Terrible" is an understatement in this context.
But he's not. In a non-supernatural story his advice for her to return to the house would be good advice. It's not his fault that he doesn't know he's in a story about a haunted house and ghosts.
@@jhornacek oh for sure, just making a lil quip lol
@@jhornacekeh... I don't really know if it's great advice regardless
@@marigolden_mariposa If someone is facing trauma that stems from their childhood, confronting the source of that trauma is good advice. It's what pretty much most therapists would suggest.
I don't blame Nellie for feeling how she does about Steve's book, but I also think that yelling at him during a book reading was probably the absolute worst way to handle it. As he said, time and a place, and that wasn't it. The thing I love about this show is that all the characters are so complex. They all have their trauma and it's twisted them all in various ways. No black and white. They all feel very real and real people are messy and complicated and sometimes kind of awful. There's only one of the siblings I never warmed to by the end of the series, but I'll stay quite about that at the risk of spoilers.
tbf she probably knew that literally the only way to get the time of day from him is to confront him at a reading.
And then he calls her out and defends himself and they go nuts saying he’s the worst and he’s a do***e lol. Can the guy not defend himself from an unprovoked attack like geez
Yeah the Steve hate is irrational. They refuse to put themselves es in the shoes of the older brother who never saw this stuff but had to try and keep his siblings together and put up with Luke stealing from him and Shirley acting high and mighty about her not taking money etc.. that shit wears you out to the point of breaking. How long do you have to carry others trauma b4 you care about yourself. His reactions are completely understandable to me
It's one of the best twists ever. Fantastic writing!
Yeah!
I don't get the Steve is the worst take. None of the siblings are perfect and he's no more an asshole than Shirley or Theo.
Also, she WAS off her meds and behaving erratically. Like Victoria Pedretti is absolutely nailing acting as someone having a manic episode.
I started getting sleep paralysis at 8 nightly almost and I would hallucinate that something was climbing up the ladder of my bed (shaking), and I'd see shadows in the hallway like they were moving closer slowly. But the older I got it started going away, now in my late 20s I get it a few times a year but now I know to relax to make it stop. Every time I fought it, it became worse.
Had one a few months ago where my curtain was blowing in the wind, I swear it looked like some ghastly woman in a dress floating towards me, def made my heart rate go up for a sec. Getting it as a kid is 1000x scarier though, no one even believed me when I told them about it because the term wasn't really known back then.
I’ve only had it happen once and weirdly it was a few months before this show came out! Woke up and it felt like i was stuck in sludge it was so hard to sit up and I just saw a dark figure across the room that looked weird and distorted. Luckily I was too focused on just trying to sit up and being confused why I felt so heavy to really get scared but if that happened as a kid I’m sure I would’ve FREAKED
@@Sageddegas sounds about right! The sludge feeling is so accurate! Also, It's always so dark when it happens, like you definitely don't absorb all the light so shadows and dark things kinda blend together. I remember sometimes my office chair with a sweater on it looks like a person looking at me!
I think I've had 300+ of them if not more, and Idk why I kept having it.. But back then it was only when falling asleep at night and now I only get it if I nap it or I fall asleep a second time in the morning. (but very rarely).
Always wondered why I was so prone to it but no one knew what it was and just assumed I had nightmares, wasn't until I saw it online years later I went ahhhh.
I’ve found that sleeping on my stomach stops the sleep paralysis. Maybe it’ll work out for u too
ugh when i was severely depressed i had sleep paralysis almost every night i could sleep. And it was so weird because it was always about something with claws and usually claws behind me
That's tough man, the only thing in any way similar to something like this for me (insofar as not having control over your own body) was the first time I got a cramp lol, thought I'd clogged an artery. I consider myself very lucky, in that regard.
Edit: this is not an equivalent experience I wanna make that very clear lol
I watched this show the night it dropped on Netflix and I've rewatched it many times since but someone recently pointed out that the Bent Neck Lady could be a manifestation of Nell's depression whenever she felt ignored or unheard by her family and that shattered my heart. I mostly thought it was a literal haunting but this show does a great job of showing actual ghost hauntings and people being haunted by certain things. Like Luke seeing the bowler hat guy which pushed him to drug use. It also makes sense for Nell to be haunted by how she died because that's the perfect way to describe the feeling of depression.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. It's a literal haunting, and it's also a metaphor for grief & depression. Text and subtext.
@@je7055 Thank you, I'm aware. I was speaking to the added layer.
I just found out Timothy Hutton is only about 10 years older than Henry Thomas. Great casting because they look similar, but holy smokes.
18:50 I don't fully understand this reaction. Theo said Nell looks worse than she did 4 months ago, Luke manipulates her into buying heroin for him, but Steve assumes that Nell is not taking her medication based on her behaviour (which he's correct about 14:50) and he is the worst person in the world for saying it. Steve was also the only person to call Nell back (24:35) and took her worries about Luke seriously by calling his rehab. Help me understand!
I think it's because every other character is clearly living like an open wound and sympathy for that suspends judgement. Steve doesn't get that privilege although he is damaged. He's emotionally isolated from them which is in part his fault and in part not.
Shirley can also be a huge asshole but doesn't seem to get the same reaction as Steve.
@@mrspoon6742100%. Steve doesn’t show his vulnerabilities…probably because he couldn’t show them his whole life due to to feeling like he had to always be “the big brother.” He doesn’t wear his trauma on his sleeve so people have less empathy for his struggles and flaws. He always felt like he had to be the strong one and hide his emotions…and that wears a person down. I actually really understand Steve and it annoys me how he gets so much hate for his flaws but all of the other characters get a pass for theirs because they are so obviously broken.
Most of Steve's family members exhibit clear signs of legitimate, clinical PTSD, which he has negated for decades. As intelligent as he is, he lacks emotional intelligence, as evidenced by his inability to grasp why his siblings could possibly be angry at his exploitation of their stories. I think that is a reasonable enough cause for disliking his character, even if he is not an entirely bad person.
@@Johnny_SockoI wouldn't say that.
Theo and Shirley do not exhibit that either. We only see what they go through as colored that way because we have inside information.
Based on their reaction to Steve asking if he she was off her meds, I'm guessing they didn't notice that she flushed them.
Yeah, I got the impression they didn't catch that based on their reaction each time someone asked her (Theo asking if she changed meds, Steve, the Dr.).
I'm thinking Nellie being off her meds was a good thing. Was it showing she was now "accepting" who and what she was? and she was now showing some personality? Plus, that Dr. Montague was a quack.
@@wilhelm-z4t Nell goes off her meds when Luke goes into rehab. So he won't be affected by her taking drugs when he's trying to get clean. The twin thing.
@@jhornacek Indeed. The correlation is unmistakable. Since poor Nellie is dead and never taking drugs again, we can reasonably believe Luke won't either.
@@wilhelm-z4t Suddenly going off of the kind of medications she was probably on is never a good thing. They need to be weaned off of, otherwise serious issues can occur. Which is why everyone asks her about them/if she's taking them. Her behavior lines up pretty well with manic episodes, imo. Which is something that can happen with withdrawals from some meds. Part of how the show blends the horror/supernatural and mental health/trauma themes so well
Nell's story is the most tragic I think...
Yes, it's because she's the most unselfish of the children. It's also why she remained close to her father. He was very unselfish as well. They understood one another. They had the tenderest interactions.
I actually felt sick at the end of this episode. From this moment on I actually HATED this house, for such wild and sick cruelty. It needs to be destroyed, and those within it set free.
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But you find out later in the show that the house isn't evil at all. The only evil ghost is Poppy, who was insane in life and became an insane ghost. She drove Olivia insane, so she became an insane ghost too. All the other ghosts aren't evil at all - they're just living their best ghost lives, and in some cases, trying to help the Cranes.
Nellie's final moments are just... Devastating. Evil-ass house...
As someone with depression their whole life this episode really spoke to me. The scene with her at Steven's book signing was too real cause I have acted out before like that when I was low. You feel so low that you'd do stuff you would normally never do just to feel something. Also, the most horrible thing that haunts someone with depression their whole life is the thought of what could happen if it overtakes you. The person you most fear is you, cause you fear what you may do to yourself in the future.
One of the most shocking, and heartbreaking, twists EVER.
I know! But I still love it!
Hidden Ghost #3 wasn't a ghost, it was Maple. And she's wasn't that hidden, tbh.
That part gave me a giggle
The therapist Nell talks to in this episode played one of the characters in the 1963 movie "The Haunting" which is based on the same book that inspired this series.
When watching this show you have to remember, we see WAY MORE than the characters do, which means we have more info, so while Steve and Shirley may appear to act like a-holes, they're reacting appropriately given the information that they have. The same grace should be extended to the psychiatrist treating Nell - I mean, this is a horror show where the supernatural is real, but in real life the way you treat someone's trauma is by making them brave enough to be able to withstand it, so if someone is afraid of, say, riding in an elevator, then you slowly push them to approach an elevator more and more overtime until they can muster up the courage to ride them. The fear won't disappear, but at least it will be managed, so him telling Nell that visiting the house and seeing it for what it is WOULD actually help Nell if this was the real world and not a TV show - the one mistake was not making sure that Nell is with someone when she goes to that house, preferably with her doctor, but he also didn't tell her to go to the house, he suggested that that's something that can be done, but Nell took it upon herself to go there without consulting with him.
The psychiatrist's advice is 100% correct in a non-supernatural story. It's not his fault that the house is haunted.
The best episode of the whole series! The ending is absolutely brilliant and breathtaking.
The reveal was incredible. It made so much sense, but was so awful.
So many great reveals in this ep. The questions about her husband... that was devastating.
I think it was good for us to see Luke while he was using. I still think Steve was out of line when Luke had 30 days, but I understand the anger. It just wasn't the right time to act like that. If that angry do not invite him over. I actually think Shirley was right to send him away from the wedding. We got to see how easily he walked over Nellie. Giving the pressure of that choice to her on her wedding day isn't fair. Of course she wanted him there, but she wanted the Luke she grew up with, not a high version.
I am on her side throughout the Steve confrontation. Him writing that book pissed me off. If he had shared the experiences or believed them it would feel different, but he just used his siblings.
I am completely on Theo's side during their confrontation though. Theo was a bit harsh, but not until after she was forced past her boundaries. Knowing how much she can feel when touching someone or something it feels no different than Nellie punching her when she grabbed her and forcing her hand down.
I think it is interesting the different sibling confrontations and shows how some of our anger can be totally justified and some can be built up on our side. Every bit of this show is perfect. Flanagan truly thinks out his writing and I love it. That is true throughout his series. Haven't hit his movies yet. Excited to do that.
gosh i just love this show so much😭as morbid and devastating as it is
Honestly Nell being her own monster for her entire life is a perfect representation for depression.
I mean while I dont think I'd have written a book about it I have sympathy with Steve. Nell and Luke rely on him, he feel betrayed by his Dad etc. I became emotionally distant from my family because they risked dragging me under the water. When you're the one "coping" they'll cling to you and hate you for it. The barriers go up because you're protecting yourself from drowining. It is not healthy but its how it is.
Steve is depressingly correct too.
Lukes 'slick' friend did rob him.
Luke has stolen from him
Nell did flush her meds
Imagine decades of dealing with that.
Steven does have 'sight,' which means he's not only able to 'see' or 'perceive' the supernatural, but it also gives him insights into the real world as well. Unfortunately, he chooses to ignore what he's seeing a lot of the time.
The thing about Steve is he’s pretty easy to hate but think about 2 things: 1) of course, his marriage is in the process of failing so he’s effed too, and 2) he also has just about the highest highs with everyone. Think about him at the wedding with Nell or in the treehouse with Luke; when things are easy, he’s an awesome brother. Now think how that’s gotten him beaten down over the years by a sister with depression, a brother who’s an addict, how controlling Shirley can be and how guarded Theo is. Even with his dad; how close they were and then how much he withdrew. Steve is the best when it’s easy and the worst when it’s hard.
The opening with lil Nelly is too relatable to me because I had a incident like that when I was a kid. 😰😱
The actor that plays Doctor Montague (Nell's Psychiatrist) in this episode played Luke in the original film version of this story back in 1963. That was a nice little casting Easter egg, I thought, for fans of the original film.
Trivia: Nell's therapist is one of the actors from the original 1963 movie version. The movie is much more faithful the novel.
Nell: Off her meds, acting in a way that makes it pretty obvious, especially to people who know her
Steve: "Are you off your meds?"
Maple and Arianna: *shocked and offended*
lol, what?
Yeah felt like a really bad take. Was he acting angry? Sure, with good reason. Out of the blue his sister basically publicly attacked his work in front of an audience. He's also clearly been dealing with her for quite a while and immediately recognized she's off her meds.
I’m always so surprised at how many people cannot see where Steve is coming from, like at all. He’s certainly not perfect, but none of them are.
Steven was such a sweet kid, who was very close to his father, but he turned into a bitter, somewhat condescending and arrogant adult. We all know he's in denial about seeing ghosts and about what happened "that night." He's also angry with his father for seemingly abandoning his mother and _him_ because Hugh lost custody of the children to busybody Aunt Janet. The latter also causing issues for the other children. However, Hugh acted very appropriately by prioritizing the safety of the children by removing them from the source of danger etc. on that night. It's also ridiculous for Steven to think the _entire_ family suffers from some sort of inherited mental illness. That's not how it works, for one. Yes, they all suffer from PTSD-like issues from their Hill House trauma, but they're also being actively haunted. Also, Steven has 'sight,' he knows more than he thinks he does.
@@wilhelm-z4t 💯🎯 definitely agree with most of this! The only thing I would personally defer on is the idea that it’d be ridiculous to think everyone in the family could be suffering from mental illness. It’s certainly not always how it works, but from personal experience, it’s more common than people might think.
None of them are perfect but Steve is the biggest douche, lmao.
This episode is the epitome of "horror," as in the reveal is just...horrifying. Not even just scary, but horrifying.
the last part in the house gave me goosebumps, it was so dreamy, creepy and sad
This episode breaks my ❤
😭😭😭😭😭
I had some of the best sleep ever during my sleep study. It was over before I even knew it had started.
4:47 i always thought the same thing, but when I started having seizures and they had to do EEG's on me, I always fall asleep. They give you warmed weighted blankets and play calming music. Out like a light.
This episode cemented it for me, this goes beyond a story and into the realm of thinking deeper about life and how we live it. Ive said it before to reactions for this show and on others by Mike Flanagan, the writing is astonishing, the actors delivery is so deeply felt and the way it is filmed is tremendous, he takes you right into the story, many come for the horror or the jump scares but episode by episode you become part of the family, the story and all the while you are absorbed and begin to think about what is going on beyond the obvious. It is masterful storytelling and I think Mike Flanagan is an absolute genius and a very deep thinker. On a lighter side despite having older brother troubles myself in life and not always having the best opinion of older siblings i do actually think that Steve gets a bit of a hard time not only from his family but also from us viewers cause he does make mistakes and he does act badly sometimes but he also is there a lot for his siblings and we don't mention those moments just his bad bits and at the bottom of it I think he really missed his mom but didn't know how to deal with it being a more logical, practical type so he put it all down to his Dad and mental illness.
This show is so incredible and it never fails to break my heart!
The show heavily implies that Luke was able to detox successfully because Nell was off her meds.
Indeed, an excellent point. Just like Luke feels cold and stiff when Nellie is dead. It's a twin thing after all.
Yeah, Nell says that she goes off her meds when Luke is in rehab.
As someone who struggles to .. “stay alive” (for guidelines purposes) .. it does feel like it’s haunting you and inevitable. This is the best depiction in fiction of being S-word that I’ve ever seen.
Perfectly splendid👌🏾
12:08 Um, that's not a ghost, that's Maple.
hahaha
I think people are too hard on Steve because his pain is not upfront, but repressed.
Out of all of the kids, Nell did NOT deserve ALL that, it's such a haunting tragedy 😭
29:50 I lost my wife 11 years ago. She left behind our six kids. This is hard to watch. What I wouldn’t give for one last dance.
So Theo can have limits but not Steve?
One of the best episodes of TV ever, in my opinion
M: ¨Not you haunting yourself.¨
A: ¨Not you haunting yourself! I need a sound bath.¨
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JUSTICE FOR NELLIE 😭😭😭
Those in the know, other than the following things, what connections between this episode and the book did you catch? I noticed the last name Vance, the character of Dr. Montague, the recommended demand for one's cup of stars, the writing on the wall, someone hanging, dancing with [a] statue[s], and Eleanor feeling drawn into and affected by Hill House.
"When the crickets stop cricketing."
Maple, Haunting of Hill House 1x05
I have had two sleep paralysis episodes in my life and they are the worst. First one I saw a swarm of bats flying in the room, second one it was full insects. I wanted to throw up so bad. In end only thing that made those stop was booking out of abusive relationship. Haven't had them over 10 years now.
Remember when the mom was having her Deja vu and pointed to the stairs and said she could see “bodies swinging” This show is a masterpiece in storytelling.
Steve was right 🤷♂
I’m haunted by my own death. It’s something everyone imagines or thinks about
Cry everytime ✨
This series has made me really want them to watch "The Conjuring."
One of the best peices of tv ive ever seen
This episode is fantastic. Both scary and sad.
How do people decide that Steve has to absolutely put up with unlimited BS from his family regardless of his own personal life? Theo also told Nell she was damaged yet i didn’t hear a single insult about her…
Exactly, all of the kids have done shitty things through the show but only Steve gets anything bad said about him. He's not perfect, not by a long shot, but everyone, except arguably Nell, have done some very bad things due to their trauma.
He’s a man who stood up for his self so he’s bad . When the sisters did it it was two women so that’s okay 😉😂
'hunting ill ho" - thumbnail game still strong
Even without hindsight of future episodes, their take on Steve is so bad.
jeez I was expecting more of a rewiew of such an incredible episode of televsion beyond "thats fucked, thats sad"
The noose comes full circle!
Ugh! "Dr." Montague. What a knucklehead! I think the dad's watch shows that Nell always was connected to her dad unlike the others. Also, another reference to clocks and time. Another important motif in the series. Five is an important motif in the series. Notice Olivia is wearing red. Red is another very important motif in the story. There's the parallel between the 5 diseased kittens and the 5 "diseased" or affected Crain children. There are the 5 stages of grief which are reflective of the children's persona: denial (Steve), anger (Shirley), bargaining (Theo), depression (Luke), and acceptance (Nell). Then there are the 5 psychic abilities (the 5 senses) which the Crain children manifest: sight (Steven), taste (Shirley), touch (Theo), smell (Luke) and hearing (Nellie). When Theo remarked to Steven that he was asleep for 99% of the last night's happenings, she WAS indirectly questioning how Steve knew what he wrote in the "Hill House" book because there was evidently more in the book than the other siblings knew. When Steve told Mrs. Walker he would write her story but change things, I think he thinks he's just embellishing the material. In fact, he's making it more real and true. Steven has psychic "sight." Everything he wrote in "Hill House" actually happened. Steve does see ghosts and more. Shirley's ability "taste" is manifested by her mouth, her sleep talk. We know how Theo's ability "touch" works. Young Theo also said the house was "cold." Little Luke said the house "smells" and little Nellie says it's "loud." They can smell and hear the ghosts. While Theo's gift is pretty cool, Steve's turns out to be coolest.
I wouldn't call Dr. Montague a knucklehead. His advice in a non-supernatural story would be 100% accurate and correct. Nell should go and confront the house - the source of all her trauma. It's not his fault that he doesn't know he's in a story with a haunted house and ghosts.
"I need a sound bath." LOL
If the Bent-Neck Lady is scary, you should see the Lady in the Lake.
Omg 10:11 that’s the hat man her twin keeps seeing!
Bless you two for never having to live with a chronically mentally ill person, or grow up with them. A human being has only so much patience in them, and then you just have to be done. Remember that before you judge Steve.
Hmm I said the same thing once…
Same for the person who's mentally ill as well. It's not like they can turn it off or cut off ties. I've been on both sides. A character in a movie once said: dying is easy; living is not for the faint hearted. Or something to that effect
I have a professionally manipulative drug addict younger brother, three other siblings, and a mentally ill mom who died when I was 18. I relate to Steve a lot, I relate to Steve and Luke’s relationship a lot, I relate to Steve and Shirley’s relationship a lot, I relate to having a dad who doesn’t want to talk about anything.
Sometimes you just have time to accept that the nice thing is not always the right thing.
A chronically mentally ill sister AND an addict brother. Steve is by no means perfect (none of the siblings are), but Nell and Luke were definitely a double whammy for the family.
Imagine being told that you are a horrible brother repeatedly by your family. All while you subsidize their lifestyles. With the reason they say you're a bad brother.
Shame that the bent neck lady is Nell in the future 😂 LMAO
This episode didn't scare me, it broke my heart. One giant allegory for depression and mental illness. I guess that's the whole series really
Another legitimately depressing-ass episode of a *checks notes* horror show. Lets go! Lol
"this house is sick". 😅
Haunted houses aren't merely sites of 'activity' / 'phenomena' ...They _are_ phenomena, they _are_ entities; they're parapsychic singularities; 'Black Holes', in a manner of speaking.. But perhaps some are markedly more than just that... some such 'singularities' / entities are utterly malevolent -- a 'Black Hole' _with a yearning to devour..._
I did 3 sleep studies and had to take tons of meds to get comfortable and fall asleep. They’re pretty awful
Wild that they're so upset with Steve for asking if Nellie is off her meds... when she literally is, and we saw her flush them down the toilet. She is lying directly to his face, and he knows it, and somehow he's the asshole? Haha, okay.
After y’all finish Hill House do Bly Manor similar to Hill House
Yes!
@@marybuchanan3313 thank you
bly manor's finale is one of my favorite episodes in any tv show ever! I like Hill House better but THAT episode is heart crushing
Have the tissues ready for this show. From E6-E10
We'll see. Maybe the emotional reality of the characters will hopefully hit them more starting next episode, but I'm a bit cynical to predict that it will. I expect them to remain more concerned about the scaries than what they represent in the plot.
Being an adult means realizing Steve was right
Kate Siegel in this episode.😍
The hill house, ghost-lighting poor nell.
Why did mom blame Theo for scaring Nell in the first scene?
This episode is insane😅
Masterpiece. 😢
Steve is a guy who doesn’t know he’s in horror show. I also think he’s right in defending himself. She had 6 years to complain about that book.
Is Nell’s therapist Dr Jacoby from Twin Peaks? Shoulda kept the green and red lenses
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