@@OhNoTheFace wrong. play the game before saying stuff's bugged, dummy. fire is applied first, and then the highest dice that aren't on fire are frozen.
@@chrissloan1011 But you're using the game's potentially bugged logic to claim it's not bugged. We all can see what happened you're just choosing to use what happened as proof that it's how it's intended to work even though that's faulty logic.
MicoDossun a single dice cannot have two status’ on it simultaneously. You cannot burn and lock a dice, burn and freeze, or freeze and lock. 1 dice=1 status.
Ryab should stop thinking about gadgets strictly as "losing equipment", considering many of the gadgets are strictly better or at least just as good as their equipment counterpart since they work for free. You can turn meh equipment into very strong gadgets, which you can set up for very strong combos on specific fights. This really is an important mentality considering he was one step away from the boss fight and thinking "we're gonna lose equipment" instead of "which completely broken gadgets do I wanna bring with me for the final boss so I can maximise my chances?"
to play the inventor well i think you need to look ahead at enemies and plan for them which ryab seems to never do. although as he plays more hopefully he'll recognize what equipment turns into what gadgets and how good they are.
19:42 Sitting there with Ray Gun which has a minimum of 3 input. He literally sits there with a derp face and a board of 5s and 6s and declares there's nothing he can do and passes the turn... instead of winning.
Is this what it was like watching him play slay the spire? Him not reading what things do, not healing then one second later saying he should've healed, etc.
NL: I’m not playing StS anymore because the community is toxic Also NL: *plays another deck building roguelite that involves math that he’s completely unwilling to risk a few seconds of dead air to do*
Day 29: I watch this man play one of the best Rogue likes of this year, all the while I lose my goddamn sanity, cause the Kraken keeps snapping my Neck when I play as the witch
I agree there's some element of Feels Bad to the inventor that makes him a struggle to play as, not in the sense that he's harder than the rest, but that his play style goes so counter to a lot of ingrained habits and assumptions about how games work.
Agree with NL, the inventor is unfun. You don't get to build your run, you have to mitigate losing your equipment every battle. The results aren't even random so you don't get any wild, unpredictable outcomes. This leads to an unsatisfying viewing experience as well.
A better method is similar to the episode where each equipment has a number of uses before it's destroyed. If you did that but only with the gadgets(say 3 uses each), then you could choose to sacrifice or have to sacrifice an equipment to make a new gadget. Also not making it three random equipment would help
NL. It might help if you actually start reading while you play. Ray Gun is Minimum 3 with 3 uses. You tossed 2 6's and a 5 with "nothing to use them on". You had lethal with Ray Gun
@20:22 "it doesn't feel right" of course, because it is not right, but it's not the game's fault dammit. If he won't realise what dices does ray gun use I'm gonna pull out all my hair
Can someone explain to me the dislike for the Inventor that NL has? From what I just watched...those gadgets were stupidly strong. And pretty consistently, he was able to choose items he didn't like, to turn into gadgets (Which became really good gadgets) while retaining items he did want. Am I missing something? Where's the issue in this, that's causing NL to be discouraged?
rule of thump NL gargoyle is almost better to freeze (or double freeze locking them out) then to let them do damage and maybe roll a one and locking you anyways
Yeah, it detracts from potentially snarky humor, and it keeps him from booing levels on Mario Maker. It's like choosing the rogue class in D&D, but then dumping all your stats into strength.
i feel that the inventor should allow you to choose whether or not you want to swap your equipment for a gadget. that in itself results in sufficient opportunities for strategic play
@@cptKamina i agree that it probably would, but there has to be another solution to it than forcing the player to give up any strategy surrounding the immediately playable equipment.
@@PrettierNPastel I never said there wasn't, though I feel that said strategy detracts the fun from building momentum in a game designed to progress you through levels
The inventor is by far my fave character. Everyone else ends up with more or less the same equipment for 40 minutes, and the inventor forces you to use more than the starting equipment and the stuff you get via level-up (which is kinda all you use with other characters).
Not to mention that whatever you do turn into a gadget is always pretty overpowered, not needing a die. My favorite character would always be the jester though
the inventor seems more fun as i'm learning new stuff in the comments, need to play her more. i agree with the changing setups, finding a great loadout on floor 2 is ez win but also boring when every fight plays the same
That would undermine the whole reason Inventor exists (as a separate class from Warrior). The whole idea is to have a constantly changing set-up where you not only try to build a run, but also *protect* a run. When NL looks at this challenge and thinks "inventor forces me to lose equipment that I love & it feels bad", he's missing the entire point and as a result he's misplaying the unique equipment management part of the Inventor. (Related: When NL thinks that "scrap metal is bad, because other equipment are strictly better anyway", he's (again) demonstrating that he does not really understand the class & its unique challenge.)
@@BCGpp he's also missing the point of how strong the gagdets are. if you take a random gadget, it'll probably be better than most equipment especially considering they're free every turn.
Hm, I don't understand NL's view on the Inventor, since he often uses and appreciates randomizing elements in Isaac to screw with his run. But maybe I shouldn't be comparing those two games
In Isaac tho the items aren't the game, there is a limit to how you can play sure, but you can still play bar very rare combos. In this game the equitment is the game
I agree w the comment about how items are way more game-defining in Dicey compared to Isaac, but I think another big thing is that in Isaac, there's still some control to its zane. You're very rarely forced to change, the game presents you with an item or reroll room and you can choose to take it or not. Curse of the blind and some other factors (like the current status of the run) can affect that ofc, but it still feels more like a conscious decision imo. With the inventor, the run is _constantly_ in flux, whether he wants it to be or not. I wouldn't be surprised if he got frustrated after a couple of games if he played an Isaac character that was forced to reroll every few rooms.
Have you ever thought about making the occasional produced video? I know it would take a lot of time, maybe that would be bad for business more generally, but you've clearly got well reasoned opinions and knowledge about a variety of things. It would be fun to see an NL retrospective or video essay, or even a story time. As contrived as those things are, it would still be cool to see a video that you spent some time crafting.
@@litapd311 If she's so strong why is she the only class that has been buffed in the last couple patches? I'm guessing you haven't played hard mode if you have you will understand how weak the witch is compared to the other characters. Yeah she can be very powerful but it requires a lot of setup in combat which the other characters don't need. So she takes a lot of extra damage while setting up and she just slowly loses over time. It might be different now with the changes but in the past it's very difficult to survive on her.
because he overvalues getting sixes and status effects, since most people (including him) grew up playing games where a six was "the best" result you could roll, we are inherently biased towards high rolls.
who the fuck likes the Inventor they go against literally every fundamental of a game like this, about building a build and not using garbage you are forced to slot in shit like peashooter, which is 5 for 2 damage, only useful to dump 1s in at the end of your equipment usage, but no just stick that in inventors findings the worst character by far. this is just Warrior but you're constantly destroying your stuff, with a negligible thing you can use every turn in ONE FIGHT before scrapping it, getting bored of a fucking blowtorch or a plasma blaster in favor of a few sheets of corrugated metal Warrior, simple, big number bashy Thief, simple, lots of small number slashy Witch, spells, make em appear and use em Robot, Blackjack, deal or bust Jester, a deck you scroll through as you use Inventor, take warrior and add something that'd be the most annoying gimmick ever AND IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL TRAIT i hate the inventor. if/when i get dicey dungeons i am going to do whatever i can to hack my save so i never have to even click on them.
The inventor is actually the funnest character idk why NL doesn't like her *edit: holy shit, I mean I'm mind flooded by the witch too but he really* doesn't get how to play as the inventor
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NL ray gun says MIN 3. MIN 3
So what you’re saying is you can only put a maximum of 3 in there?
At least he realized next fight
No, you can put exclusively 3s in there
Gabe Suplee No its everything except 3’s, Min stands for Minus, obviously, totally doesn’t stand for minimum :P
Actually you can only use it when you hit the jackpot
I like the bullet, he has a cute cape
19:57 sure why would you use ray gun 3 times and kill? There's nothing to be done anyway
This is aggravating me too
there's nothing he could dooooooo
Have you ever heard about big brain time, mate?
Egg probably thought it's max 3 instead of mon 3
@@TheThursty100 yea he did and he says exactly that later in the video
NL if you can reliably freeze two dice on the gargoyle, do it every turn. You lose two dice but he can't do any damage to you at all.
the worst part is he learnt that in a previous episode
he values his dice too much at times. He fails to see that -2 dice to stop your opponent from doing anything is more than good
All the times my boy was using spanner when he had the dice he needed started to grate at my soul.
Spanner seems pretty crap honestly
@@DjAirsurfer It's good as long as you focus on overcapping so that you don't lose dice. Guaranteed 6s are really useful.
Ryuka you can't be in both boxes at the same time
NL: "We can't use our dice for anything else"
Comment section: *C O M M U N I T Y U N R E S T*
NL thinking he’s lucky when it’s literally impossible to lose anything you don’t want was the best part of the video
NL Freezing and Burning dice cancels out each other, its not a bug, its a feature :P
Fire was happening fine, it was a screw up on their part otherwise it should cancel out under their name
@@OhNoTheFace wrong. play the game before saying stuff's bugged, dummy. fire is applied first, and then the highest dice that aren't on fire are frozen.
@@chrissloan1011 Grow up instead on throwing insults in a video about a video game on youtube. Just wow
@@chrissloan1011 But you're using the game's potentially bugged logic to claim it's not bugged. We all can see what happened you're just choosing to use what happened as proof that it's how it's intended to work even though that's faulty logic.
MicoDossun a single dice cannot have two status’ on it simultaneously. You cannot burn and lock a dice, burn and freeze, or freeze and lock. 1 dice=1 status.
Ryab should stop thinking about gadgets strictly as "losing equipment", considering many of the gadgets are strictly better or at least just as good as their equipment counterpart since they work for free. You can turn meh equipment into very strong gadgets, which you can set up for very strong combos on specific fights. This really is an important mentality considering he was one step away from the boss fight and thinking "we're gonna lose equipment" instead of "which completely broken gadgets do I wanna bring with me for the final boss so I can maximise my chances?"
to play the inventor well i think you need to look ahead at enemies and plan for them which ryab seems to never do. although as he plays more hopefully he'll recognize what equipment turns into what gadgets and how good they are.
19:42 Sitting there with Ray Gun which has a minimum of 3 input. He literally sits there with a derp face and a board of 5s and 6s and declares there's nothing he can do and passes the turn... instead of winning.
22:10 ... aaand the face of egg realization and self-annoyance.
Spoilers, he still won
Here's how you play the Inventor:
Check the powers of your gadget and remove the equipment that have similar utility
24:04 Guaranteed Outcomes R Us. The store for baby gamers.
"Guaranteed Outcomes R Us" is currently on Steam sale
Is this what it was like watching him play slay the spire? Him not reading what things do, not healing then one second later saying he should've healed, etc.
11:52 NL why are you picking on poor Vacuum. He sucks.
Hi dad
His blindness never cease to amaze me... Keep up the misplays ! Loving the series
24:38 Love the guest appearance of Tomo, always brings a bit of wholesome cat fun to the video
NL: I’m not playing StS anymore because the community is toxic
Also NL: *plays another deck building roguelite that involves math that he’s completely unwilling to risk a few seconds of dead air to do*
Day 29: I watch this man play one of the best Rogue likes of this year, all the while I lose my goddamn sanity, cause the Kraken keeps snapping my Neck when I play as the witch
The gargoyle is guaranteed outcomes r us when you have 2 freezes. He can't do damage
I love the cat drama.
The box drama was amazing
Love your content keep it up
I agree there's some element of Feels Bad to the inventor that makes him a struggle to play as, not in the sense that he's harder than the rest, but that his play style goes so counter to a lot of ingrained habits and assumptions about how games work.
A choice would be nice.
Like hey you can turn this into a action or you can keep what you like.
He is like a compulsive inventor.
Inventor is a she
Agree with NL, the inventor is unfun. You don't get to build your run, you have to mitigate losing your equipment every battle. The results aren't even random so you don't get any wild, unpredictable outcomes. This leads to an unsatisfying viewing experience as well.
A better method is similar to the episode where each equipment has a number of uses before it's destroyed. If you did that but only with the gadgets(say 3 uses each), then you could choose to sacrifice or have to sacrifice an equipment to make a new gadget. Also not making it three random equipment would help
Loving the series keep it up!
I had to comment after seeing the play at 19:10. He wasted combines losing out on a 3, and then failed to use his raygun. egg pls
NL. It might help if you actually start reading while you play. Ray Gun is Minimum 3 with 3 uses. You tossed 2 6's and a 5 with "nothing to use them on". You had lethal with Ray Gun
@20:22 "it doesn't feel right" of course, because it is not right, but it's not the game's fault dammit. If he won't realise what dices does ray gun use I'm gonna pull out all my hair
Can someone explain to me the dislike for the Inventor that NL has? From what I just watched...those gadgets were stupidly strong. And pretty consistently, he was able to choose items he didn't like, to turn into gadgets (Which became really good gadgets) while retaining items he did want.
Am I missing something? Where's the issue in this, that's causing NL to be discouraged?
its like watching a toddler without arms and feet that tries to walk for the first time
Thank you for the lovely mental image of a mutilated baby trying to walk. Goes great with breakfast..
19:57 scrambled egg
Love this series!
I need a box cam asap egg, you can keep your humans son away from us
No, northernlion, no do notfuck the vacuum cleaner.
rule of thump NL gargoyle is almost better to freeze (or double freeze locking them out) then to let them do damage and maybe roll a one and locking you anyways
Every time he doesn’t use a 5 on crystal sword I scream out loud
legit this episode was his worst play on this game
Let's go to the comments to see how badly NL misplays today.
it hurt man it really hurts
What an emotional roller coaster at the end
"Not trying to be negative" NL is not the best NL if I'm being perfectly honest.
Yeah, it detracts from potentially snarky humor, and it keeps him from booing levels on Mario Maker. It's like choosing the rogue class in D&D, but then dumping all your stats into strength.
I dunno I’m not feeling very strong oh wait I just destroyed the boss
Egg Misplays Dicey Dungeons Forever [12/ALL]
you can exit an upgrade shop
I enjoy your videos. Sometimes you disregard an item or situation in the games and it costs you. Yet some how you luck through it seems.
pls, my egg, he is very fried
i feel that the inventor should allow you to choose whether or not you want to swap your equipment for a gadget. that in itself results in sufficient opportunities for strategic play
That would make it far far too easy
@@cptKamina i agree that it probably would, but there has to be another solution to it than forcing the player to give up any strategy surrounding the immediately playable equipment.
though, if there was, im sure the devs would've thought of it by now, so i dunno
@@bluefireX412 Theres still strategy
@@PrettierNPastel I never said there wasn't, though I feel that said strategy detracts the fun from building momentum in a game designed to progress you through levels
RAY GUN WAS MIN 3!!! MIN!!!! THREE!!!!!!!!
The inventor is by far my fave character. Everyone else ends up with more or less the same equipment for 40 minutes, and the inventor forces you to use more than the starting equipment and the stuff you get via level-up (which is kinda all you use with other characters).
Not to mention that whatever you do turn into a gadget is always pretty overpowered, not needing a die. My favorite character would always be the jester though
the inventor seems more fun as i'm learning new stuff in the comments, need to play her more. i agree with the changing setups, finding a great loadout on floor 2 is ez win but also boring when every fight plays the same
I feel like inventor would be a little more manageable if you made new gadgets once per floor rather than once per fight.
That would undermine the whole reason Inventor exists (as a separate class from Warrior). The whole idea is to have a constantly changing set-up where you not only try to build a run, but also *protect* a run. When NL looks at this challenge and thinks "inventor forces me to lose equipment that I love & it feels bad", he's missing the entire point and as a result he's misplaying the unique equipment management part of the Inventor. (Related: When NL thinks that "scrap metal is bad, because other equipment are strictly better anyway", he's (again) demonstrating that he does not really understand the class & its unique challenge.)
He's fine now, you can always keep 2 parts of equipment and save some for final boss.
@@BCGpp he's also missing the point of how strong the gagdets are. if you take a random gadget, it'll probably be better than most equipment especially considering they're free every turn.
22:16 HE LEARNS
Edit: WHY DIDN'T HE FREEZE
Love you egg, but boi
MORE DICEY DUNGEONS
I'd like to make a tabletop game akin to Dicey Dungeon to play with my friends, but I'm not sure how to make it work yet
There's games like Too Many Bones that are good for dice tactical combat, you should look them up
YESSSS MORE DICE MORE FUN
Ryan, the irl cat manager
I never noticed you uploaded things on a schedule
M I N I M U M 3 T H O
Edit: nvm
Oh the misplays
Protip : always upgrade your boomerang
Hm, I don't understand NL's view on the Inventor, since he often uses and appreciates randomizing elements in Isaac to screw with his run. But maybe I shouldn't be comparing those two games
In Isaac tho the items aren't the game, there is a limit to how you can play sure, but you can still play bar very rare combos. In this game the equitment is the game
I agree w the comment about how items are way more game-defining in Dicey compared to Isaac, but I think another big thing is that in Isaac, there's still some control to its zane. You're very rarely forced to change, the game presents you with an item or reroll room and you can choose to take it or not. Curse of the blind and some other factors (like the current status of the run) can affect that ofc, but it still feels more like a conscious decision imo.
With the inventor, the run is _constantly_ in flux, whether he wants it to be or not. I wouldn't be surprised if he got frustrated after a couple of games if he played an Isaac character that was forced to reroll every few rooms.
Inventor episode 2 is easy when all you need is upgraded flamethrower and 2 fury gadgets and focus for the last boss
MIN 3
MIN 3
MIN 3
MIN 3
MIN 3
MIN 3
MIN 3
Have you ever thought about making the occasional produced video? I know it would take a lot of time, maybe that would be bad for business more generally, but you've clearly got well reasoned opinions and knowledge about a variety of things. It would be fun to see an NL retrospective or video essay, or even a story time. As contrived as those things are, it would still be cool to see a video that you spent some time crafting.
Please check out the digital storm unboxing video. This is the pinnacle of NL's editing abilities, and it is beautiful
Kappa
Why do I always find myself screaming during these videos? His misplays have to be intentional.
I've actually had pretty good luck with upgraded Pea Shooter in my final inventor loadout
As well as not maxing your current equipment, make sure you always have a chance to dump something you don't want
Really wish the RUclips comments could shut up about misplays, it's literally a driving factor for NL wanting to not play certain games, please stop
egg is scrambled
Looking forward to this
This run has EGG all over his face
Let’s gooooo
This one was really hard to watch. Read, NL, please...
Personality overpowers the sub optimal play cringe. Enjoy the content 👍
Yeah I agree, the inventor is strong but she's annoying and not fun to play. The witch is the opposite, she's weak but real fun to play.
the witch is really strong though. she has multiple ways to create infinite setups, at least in the base version. episodes change that of course
@@litapd311 If she's so strong why is she the only class that has been buffed in the last couple patches? I'm guessing you haven't played hard mode if you have you will understand how weak the witch is compared to the other characters. Yeah she can be very powerful but it requires a lot of setup in combat which the other characters don't need. So she takes a lot of extra damage while setting up and she just slowly loses over time. It might be different now with the changes but in the past it's very difficult to survive on her.
Not sure if NL knows the difference between Min and Max.
Yo NL this game is reminding me how bad you are at reading
He genuinely later like hot garbage in this run
NL I love you my man but you need to slow down and read.
Hot take: I hate watching inventor. Wouldn't mind if he got removed from the game.
Why is NL enthralled with the spanner that does exactly nothing for him?
because he overvalues getting sixes and status effects, since most people (including him) grew up playing games where a six was "the best" result you could roll, we are inherently biased towards high rolls.
this guy really an english teacher?????
boi cant even read
who the fuck likes the Inventor
they go against literally every fundamental of a game like this, about building a build and not using garbage
you are forced to slot in shit like peashooter, which is 5 for 2 damage, only useful to dump 1s in at the end of your equipment usage, but no just stick that in inventors findings
the worst character by far. this is just Warrior but you're constantly destroying your stuff, with a negligible thing you can use every turn in ONE FIGHT before scrapping it, getting bored of a fucking blowtorch or a plasma blaster in favor of a few sheets of corrugated metal
Warrior, simple, big number bashy
Thief, simple, lots of small number slashy
Witch, spells, make em appear and use em
Robot, Blackjack, deal or bust
Jester, a deck you scroll through as you use
Inventor, take warrior and add something that'd be the most annoying gimmick ever
AND IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL TRAIT
i hate the inventor.
if/when i get dicey dungeons i am going to do whatever i can to hack my save so i never have to even click on them.
Hi
Who are the 27 nerds who got here before me?
It t’was me! (Even though its 2 AM in the UK right now :P)
3 am in Germany but it’s all worth it for our yolk father
The inventor is actually the funnest character idk why NL doesn't like her
*edit: holy shit, I mean I'm mind flooded by the witch too but he really* doesn't get how to play as the inventor
pot play the run
i got so freaking angry at 21:42 that i yelled at my cat for no reason...wow... now i feel very bad about myself...
Love this series!