Ford's Modern Day 427 SOHC Cammer..
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- While most people wont give the Ford 6.2 SOHC engine a second look. Starting out with a bang in Don Boyle's Coal Digger VI as Project 777 ( Seven liters, 7000 rpm, and 700 HP ) and fading away with Fords new 7.3 Godzilla Pushrod Monster. The Fact remains that the 6.2 is a Modern day take on the Famous 427 SOHC CAMMER!
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Have a 6.2 with over 200k miles never given up and has plenty of balls
There's gotta be a ton of these 6.2s in scrap yards. Someone needs to get the aftermarket support going for these. They would make great swaps for hot rods and muscle cars/ trucks. I'd love to see what a serious build could put out.
Livernois has cams, and a 6.6l stroker kit available.
I love my 6.2, i really want to delete the cats.
Imagine with a carbureted intake, a VCT delete, and big cams. It would be a monster, easily available in junkyards, and a good swap for older cars that doesn't cost like a 427. A "poor man's 427" if you like. They're all over the junkyards already.
Amazing that Ford engineering keeps developing cool stuff that makes it into production only to be squelched by some governing body of some fashion, be it NASCAR or the feds.
Our gov has been guilty of playing favorites in the automotive world, it's truly sickening.
Dodge has no problem... Why in the world does Ford
@@mikethatguy27 NASCAR banned the 427SOHC but allowed the 426 Hemi. However they later allowed the Boss 429 through 1970 when they forced a detune across the board. Not sure why they seemingly arbitrarily banned one & then allowed the other. as for the government, there are a few things that come into it. I heard that they had a credit/debit system that applied to CAFE & EPA certifications. Not sure how true that is, but it would somewhat make sense in the case of this engine because Ford would then have had to decide between the V10 & this bigger OHC V8 (the 4.6 & 5.4 would have better mileage & emissions #s). Also, I guess some of it would come down to how hard the Ford "admin" would want to fight for its survival & how it theoretically fit into their strategy of the time. ALL of the automakers had great projects that they killed off by some stroke of lunacy.
Sanctioning Bodies have Always Banned Superior Engines From FORD so as to allow the other inferior manufacturers to “compete”. I have a really hard time taking anyone serious who says “rpm’s”. Damn.
@@donnatalielucasheimbigner7598 Not true. Bill France (NASCAR) put the stop to ALL specialty engines after the 1964 season (which targeted Chevy's "mystery motor", Chrysler's "Hemi" and Ford's "Cammer") and stated that only production line engines (available to the public) may be used in NASCAR racing. Chrysler boycotted NASCAR in 1965 because of this ruling (this is why Ford won in 1965); however, Chrysler offered the splendid street hemi to the public starting in 1966. The Hemi (Gen II) was made available to the public in Chrysler automobiles (Dodge and Plymouth C, B and E bodies) from 1966-1971. Ford NEVER offered the "Cammer" to the public in any production line automobile, this is why it was not allowed to race. Ford's SOHC engine was also plagued with an inferior oiling circuit, crank and rod bearings as well as an inadequate timing chain; thus, its durability in a 500 mile race comes into question.
Great video as usual. I have a 6.2 in my 2014 F150 and i am never selling it, its the best ford truck i have ever owned hands down.
Mark they are great engines! We are just at a crossroads as to build the 6.2 or the 7.3 As much as I love the 6.2 I believe the 7.3 has more potential in a race application..
Andy
This is the engine I've been thinking for "Project Starliner" Crown Vic. Like I said before, Modern day Galaxie. Maybe even a modern day Galaxie Lightweight. Keep this stuff coming. Great job.
Perfect timing for this video. I’m actually working on a friends 6.2. Haven’t ever dealt with them before. It’s water pump shaft broke and the fan just shredded everything up front. Made a real mess of the rad😢. At least the trans cooler and the a/c condenser were ok. Now the fun begins of putting it all back together.
Very good content as always. Keep it coming, Thank You
You just got a new subscriber. Finally someone doing Ford engine stuff. All over RUclips all you see is LS swap EVERYTHING! This is a breath of fresh air to me. And your other video about the cammer was great! Brough back nostalgia brought back memories of my pops working on his drag car.
Thank you for the Kind words... And thank you for the Sub!
Andy
Yeah a lot of chevy guys won't ever admit that the LS is infact a FORD based motor..
We need a 4 valve head for the 6.2 engine... With the big bore spacings, the big cubes make it easier to make even more power over the Coyote...Result.... Insane POWER
That would be great, then give it 4tenths ofa cl and more compression for a wicked 6.6L throw it in a Mustang and call me. Oh 6 spd. manual only.
For now, I think our best bet alternative is going to be the cast iron Coyote-based "werewolf" block which can be bored and stroked up to 5.6 liters. RUclips won't let me leave a hyperlink but CJPonyParts has a good article about it.
Still, a shame that we can't get better head choices for the 6.2 bore spacing.
YES. I always wish Ford did more with the 6.2L makes me sad they really didn’t. Love the 6.2L in my f-250.
Just take a 351 Boss block and stroke it to 427 cubic inches and be done with it, it will make over 600 horsepower naturally aspirated and 589 foot pounds of torque, if you wanted to add a turbocharger or two the power levels will go up astronomically
375 CFM with just a mild clean up of the ports is pretty darn good! That's enough to support around 850 horsepower in a N/A application! If someone were to do a very extensive full race porting job, I can see it going well over 400 CFM, and if slightly larger valves were part of the full race porting effort, I could see it getting into the 440-450 CFM range, which could potentially support closer to 1000 horses.
This is surely something very much worth investigating and researching.
Biscuit, you are right! I believe with bigger valves we can get to the 400 mark.. Our question is how far will the castings let us go. That is why we found a junk head to cut up so we can see what we are working with.. Thanks for Watching!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage The junk head cut away, I am looking forward to that!
Twin turbochargers with 375cfm ports = wow.
@@AmericanThunder Or compound boosting...
This engine is actually pretty nice. The compression is "only" 9.8:1 with aluminum head, that could easily be raised to 11.5-12:1. The intake valve is 54.5mm or 2.14 inches. The valves aren't in a true hemispherical orientation but they are rotated enough to take advantage of cross flow. Looking at the intake valve position in the chamber, perhaps a 2.20 or 2.25" intake valve can be fitted?
ANDY THE OVERHEAD CAM PART LOOK LIKE A CAMMER BUT THE VALVE ARRANGEMENT LOOKS MORE LIKE A BOSS 9 MY FIRST THOUGHTS WHEN I SAW THE MOTOR YEARS AGO LOVE THE WHAT YOUR DOING KEEP IT UP
Good Stuff Andy! Thanks for sharing this info. Take care, cheers from Motown.
Thanks for watching Robert!
Andy
Thanks Andy. Like the automotive history stuff. Love Fords but not so sure about FMC at times.
Thank you for the video.
Thanks for Watching!
Andy
Thank you for your insitghts and video 🙂❤👍
Great as always.
Thanks Laut!
Great video , thank you from Australia
Thank you for watching! Cheers
Andy
Just subscribed dammit! Love the detail on specs brother!
Awesome stuff sir!!! Great information!!!
Sweet clip, thanks for the education. Hope you're going to let us see👂 the results of your decision.
Good Stuff Thanks.👍👍
Really glad that you are featuring this engine ! Ford did a lot to keep the Boss 6.2 in the shadows of the coyote when in actuality the Boss 6.2 would surpass the coyote on so many levels ! By any chance could you tell us the weight of the Boss 6.2.....I would definitely appreciate it.
Thanks for the Kind words... I haven't weighed the 6.2 as of yet...
Andy
Andy - I've been looking into 3D printing valve covers recently. I also have a engine with almost no aftermarket support and 3D printing might be the solution for custom valve covers. There are some plastics with large percentage of metal powder in them which make printed parts look and feel pretty darn similar to metal parts. But there are things that I need to further confirm - will certain plastics warping due to under bonnet temperatures and what is their resistance to oil and fuel. Also developing process to give a nice surface finish to 3D printed part after it has been printed.
I hear ya feller I thought about swapping the 4.6 in my 2001 expedition to a 7.3 just to have more pulling power and a sleeper also lol keep up the great videos
Great video!👍👍
Thanks Big Bear!
Andy
Im here staring at my 6.2 hoping someone develops cams and intake manifolds for this motor. hopefully your platform can help. the engine has been around for over a decade so you can find them in salvage yards. sharing the mod motor bell housing, it shouldnt be hard to adapt to other cars. 👍🏼
JDM engineering had some mild cams available, I dont know if they are still in the 6.2 business.. I wish the aftermarket would have picked up this engine..
Thanks for watching!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage seems like a good idea,needs some aftermarket love for sure
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage there is at least one shop that does full forged 6.6 stroker long blocks with ported heads, they say it's safe for 850 horses flywheel
It’s a shame this engine didn’t get any love, I believe it has great potential, the heads have huge valves in them, I was impressed, but I look at small 4 valve heads with what I’m working on. Only installed exhaust valve springs that would occasionally break in them.
Livernois has some 6.2 parts
I hope you go with the 6.2 instead of 7.3. I’ve been obsessed with the 6.2 for a while. Bought a wrecked 2010 raptor just to get my hands on one. Would love to see you dig into an in-depth 6.2 build.
Even though the 6.2 is SOHC and the 7.3 is pushrod, they have the same bore spacing and main bearing size but I am not suggesting the 7.3 crank is a direct drop in. Rousch has built at least one 460 from a 6.2l and got over 800 HP normally aspirated. Someone paid for the R&D the first time. If one looks at all the meat around the cylinders on a 6.2 it's obvious that it was meant to be carried out to larger displacements. Rumor has it that Ford designed this engine to be be able to be taken up to 480 cubic inches. A SOHC 460 or 7.5l if you will, sounds appealing to me.
Did we get flow numbers?
The 6.2 head is like a cross between a SOHC head and a BOSS 429 head. Interesting
I am really looking forward to Godzilla development. That engine seems more user friendly and able to put out some serious horsepower numbers.
PLEASE do the 6.2 build. Brian Wolfe is doing the Godzilla. A 7+ liter SOHC done right would be nasty. If I had the money I'd do it too
Good job, as always. Andy.
Thanks for Watching!
Indmar marine switched from GM engines to the 6.2 Ford, and Ecoboost 4 cyl. I know they have a 510 HP/580 TQ version of the 6.2, and a shop I worked at did an SCT tune on the Raptor when it came out, and Ford factory tune is very conservative on timing and fuel.
Nice info
Thank you for confirming the 6.2l and 7.3l possible crank swap. Working for the company that produces both factory intake manifolds and knowing bore spacing to be identical, ive pondered for awhile now if the cranks would swap. Thank you!!
Yes Gary, I begin reading when the 7.3 came out and noticed the bore spacing.. we ordered a 7.3 crank from the local Ford dealership. It was like $350 and it's a Forged crank! It went right in... Like I said need to machine a sleeve to drive the oil pump.. Thanks for Watching!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Hi, any updates?
We decided to go with the Godzilla engine instead. It will be cheaper in the long run.. you will be seeing Godzilla content coming up here over the Winter
yes!!!! love it! my raptor had it and now my current f350 has one i love it!!! once its paid off i want to have the engine bored and stroked fully forged and have some head work done get some custom cams and a roots blower put on it. im not looking for a super high rpm hp build i want to make a low and midrange tq monster because it will be my towing rig for the next 20 years or more.
JDM engineering had some good parts for the 6.2 I don't know if they are still doing them but I love the 6.2 ours has a custom Carbed intake that we modified from a Gen III Hemi of all things!
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage i love the new 7.3 but don't like the new trucks my 15 is as new asi ever want to own!! My dream truck for towing would be a early 80s bull nose crew cab longbox f350 with a 460 stroker motor and a zf6 manual transmission on top of a stronger modern frame and suspension and axles with the 80s interior with the exception of some modern seat from a king ranch truck with all the heat ac and adjustment abilities in them!! My dream daily driver truck is an 80s bullnose bronco with modern seats reinforced boxed frame with a modern 1/2 ton max tow suspension retrofitted in for a nice modern comfortable ride on a 6 in lift 35s and full lockers 460 and a 6 speed manual transmission. I love the 6.2 it has so much to offer but i can't for the life of me figure out why the aftermarket never got behind it more! I thought ford had done some r&d to put it into cars as well when the "boss" first came back but but maybe they thought it would not sell well in cars??? I personally think an svt version of the 6.2 not the raptor version built for boost and stuffed in a 10 to 14 mustang making 700+ would have been an absolute monster!
Awesome Cool vid 👌🏼🏁, it’s a shame that 6.2 didn’t get the “aftermarket” performance potential 🤷🏼♂️ but the Godzilla is sure making its way 💪🏼🏁
The Godzilla is a bad piece!
Funny part is looking at it, you can see Cleveland roots!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage right on Andy, well definitely gone back to old school pushrod 😎🏁 iron block, 2 valve/Cyl head & valve size is good, close to Clevo 4V size🤷🏼♂️
Very good base for a stout build for sure, would like to see one converted over to Carby, a single plane or tunnel ram 💪🏼🏁
The interesting part is the thermostat housing is part of the block like a Cleveland and it has side canted valves!
@@69JANKS if we use the 7.3 you can bet it will have a Carb!
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage yes that’s right, like you said definitely some OldSchool similarities there 👌🏼🏁. Man topped by a carb or pair of carbs now that’ll be BadAss 💪🏼🏁
That 6.2 was also known as the 7-7-7ish more like-8 😎🐿🐿
yeah you are right!
🥜🥜🥜🐿☁️☁️
So how close is the bolt pattern to just putting the 6.2l heads on the 7.3? I know a truck puller with BBF heads on a GM502 Block and that thing is a beast.
please build the 6.2 if some guys like you with big brains get them out running real hard and in the spotlight maybe the aftermarket will start picking up support for them!
I agree. The SOHC setup looks very promising. It's worth at least to port and flow test the potential of stock head castings with larger valves(if thats needed). Stroker sounds very promising too.
@@v6ileib yeah i want to do a stroker on my f350 get some headwork done with some modest boost to make a pumpgas towing beast with reasonable economy
Pretty cool Andy!
Thanks!
Big Shout out to Don Bowels. Years ago we went to UTI together and nodded over the 351C family of engines as I was a fan of the 335 series while Don was a fan of the FE. We put some ideas on paper and the next thing I knew those drawings came to life as the Ford SVO head for the 351C thru 400, offered in the 1994 Ford SVO catalog, (Ford’s answer to the Direct Conection/Mopar Performance program). These heads were refined with Port work by Yates and became known as the Yates Head. (You’re welcome Mr. Yates). The SVO version of the heads were offered in three sizes, to keep flow velocity up on smaller displacement engines. This meant they could be used on the 302 all the way up to 400 cubes and not lose too much low end torque on the smaller engines. Coincidentally, Don and I discussed that over lunch the day I drew him my idea of what the 351C in modified form should look like, with raised ports on both the Intake and Exhaust. The exhaust was to have a high oval shape at the exit to better smooth out flow of the hot gases as they left the engine. The SVO heads looked just like my exhaust design. This could have all been coincidence, another Don Bowels and all. But the Guy I knew was hired by Ford and was going through UTI as a precursor to Ford’s own engineering school, so I doubt it was. Anyway, no matter how my story ends this engine is amazing, and I for one would love to have one!
Unity, it blew my mind when I saw this today. I wish I had known Don better, but we were from very different places. We both graduated HS while taking full advantage of their Auto Mechanics Programs. But Don was from California, and I was from a small town near Phoenix. He went to the Pit Stop Challenge, where he and his partner Dennis Butts, won the competition propelling him into Engineering, and Arizona didn’t have that kind of funding. The fact that our paths crossed was just dumb luck, but you couldn’t meet a nicer guy, and a hell of a Chess Player too. We spent a lot of lunch hours playing each other, and he kicked my butt all over the chessboard. thanks for your great video. I’d love to help with your research, but that would be difficult, another person you might want to talk to is Barry Robotnick, who owns Survival Motorsports. He knows more about the FE than most could even begin to learn, and he might help with your research into the Cammer. Best of luck and this new subscriber is looking forward to your next video!
Thanks Kenneth! That is some neat facts..
Andy
I like the Godzilla and all, but I love the Boss and want it to get the recognition it deserves. This is great news to hear. I wonder how many cui the Boss is with a Godzilla crank.
With the 7.3 crank which is 3.98" and the 4.015" 6.2 bore it comes out to 403" vs 379"
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage do some bording 30 over to the 6.2L boss block that it becomes 427 Cubic inches.
Boost! The 6.2 motors wake right up!!!
385 to 411 hp isnt shabby at all. Very importantly, the SOHC 6.2 is a 239 thou shallower Godzilla deck engine at 9.410 inches, not 9.649. It shares all the OHV tooling. The crank is 3.74 verses 3.976, the bores 4.015, verses 4.220. Yet again, Ford has a shared Michigan transfer line which allows a classic scramble...a range of 300 to 430 hp engines on the same tooling. Ford can now step back to OHV, step back to 5.3 to 5.8 liters in the confines of the same block, exactly like Chrysler did with the 331/354/392 Firepower Hemis from 1951 to 1958. That engine became the basis for the Drag Strip 392 Hemi. For the next 13 years till early 1970, that became The Drag engine. It took years for the 426 and 429 to follow in the 392 Hemis footprints! You can bet Ford will do the same as Mopar. All Part of the Master Plan Andy!
I really hope we see the 6.8L Windsor that’s rumored to come in the 2023 mustangs and f150s with a SOHC type design
Smh no no. Not happening with the mustang, and its a pushrod engine
We need more 6.2 stuff!!
Andy, did you ever cut the heads open for cross section? I can see how the 7.3 is saving Ford a TON of money but there's no way it can match the SOHC if you use the built in rev capability.
You really got me thinking about it. With new larger valves and good porting, they have to exceed 400 on the intake side. Maybe a touch of tig filling?
After watching a lot of Spintron testing, I can say for sure a pushrod valve train eats over 80hp at higher rpm. The bigger the cam, stiffer springs, larger the pushrods, it all comes at a cost. The technology and know how of today can make a better valvetrain than Bowles had in 08. 6.2 final year was 2019 I think? Should be plenty of them out there. People run their 427 LS with twin 88s into the 1700hp range at 7500 and never much more because of float.
Pac or psi single beehive springs (which you can't use for high lift, high rpm on an ohc), Ti retainers and roller tip rockers, should get you over 9000rpm easy. That 1500rpm increase will carry the power curve up another 150-200hp in an NA application. Never mind boosted. T&D custom rockers with custom ratio $1500-$1800, custom cams about the same maybe a little less. With the 4.53? bore spacing and 9.41? deck a 7.5 liter or 460.
I just got 1 with 270000 miles on it in a f 250 runs awesome no oil leaks Thinking to take the sloppy approach ring gap a Turbo and boost it to the moon
That would work too! Thanks for Watching
Andy
Like the 7.3 , back push rod engines great bottom end 600 hp stock I Revan did a few shows on it.
The 7.3 is a great platform! My buddy Micah actually has one for the 96 mustang GT that we race.. he has decided to use that instead of the 6.2 Thanks for Watching
Andy
I like my FORD stuff and History
How much room was there to port the heads? I have a raptor with a Whipple on it and I'd like to do some head work on it. I'm at 159k and don't want to have the valve spring issue so any upgrades would be great to know!
This engine would be a great swap for an old school muscle car or hotrod or even an old school F100.
I agree... It would be so cool to have some cast Cammer valve covers and a timing cover to make it look more like the 427 SOHC...
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Exactly if you bore the 6.2L BOSS V8 like 30 or 40 over and add a (like you said) a 7.3L Godzilla crankshaft to it then it becomes 427 cubic inches which makes it a real modern day 427 SOHC Cammer V8.
@arclightfab #arclightfab
hopefully I'll finally be buying a 6.2 f150 very soon. i was SOOO happy when i heard they came out, and maybe even more disappointed when i found out after the shortest engine run of any Ford gas engine i can think of, they were gone. at least in the half tons. Ford has pretty much had the hp per liter my entire lifetime, but usually the smaller engine. this was an opportunity to really show gm and mopar guys what was up, by just getting to their displacement level. i hope there is enough aftermarket support, but I'm getting one regardless. i want a newer truck, cause i just don't have time to mess with rebuilding anything right now, that IS my daily. and somehow, these are the cheapest I've found... even the 99-03 trucks have gone up, and I'd rather spend 16k on a 11-14 model, than 8 or 10 for a decent 2 valve 5.4 with WAY less power. and i don't want a 3 valve or a 5.0, definitely no ecoboost... i don't understand people, at all... if they had any intelligence, these would be everywhere. but 99.5% of even v8 f150s are 5.0. it might be ok in a single cab or something, but that's just too much truck for 300 cubes. people only know how to look at the surface, and even then, just peak numbers, which is why the ecoboost has sold so well. that, and they don't care about longevity, theyll be one or two trade ins down the line by the time there are any real problems. which is why I've been hesitant on ANY newer truck, but hopefully these will still hold up and make it another 10 years without nickel and diming me to death. i don't mind dropping a new engine or trans in after a while, but spending the same money, just for computer bs where there really isn't even a real problem, it just thinks there is, or a fortune for wear and tear items is ridiculous.
I wouldn't mind finding a 6.2 F150.. but they are hard to find!
I wish guys would build this motor it looks like a beautiful base for a decent Hot Rod engine strap a Paxton to the front of it a stick shift behind it Forget about the guy in your rear view mirror
tHANKS aNDY, YOUR A MAN IN THE KNOW, What v8 size do the stangs run in Nascar cup xfinity ?cubes quad cams etc ??also is it true the toyotas in nascar run a chevy engine, also i know toyota make a v8 ,and the f100s in nascar what engine and toyota trucks in nascar thanks in advance. the reason im asking is i cant get an answer on this. cheers have a good one mate.
As much as I'd love to see you cover the 7.3 Godzilla build... nobody does the 6.2 SOHC...and if ANYBODY can pull off this build or has the connections Andy its you! and that 7.3 crank swap idea is defiantly outside of the box hotrod thinking. so if you are looking for viewer feed back on which way to go.... its a hard 427 modern day Cammer vote from me brother! looking forward to tonight's video with Tim, hope I can make it.
Thanks, We are still looking at our options, Since this build is being funded by my friend Micah at the end of the day its his decision. So I guess time will tell! Thanks for watching
Andy
The sohc had tunnel ports too. I'd have to imagine that 50 years of technology would make up for the missing litre
Good point . Big round ports were the rage and that’s before the modern combustion chamber .
If the 427 sohc had todays gas and emissions restrictions it would make 25 horsepower.
I don't agree. Modern technology has made engine operating systems MUCH more complex. Good for emissions, maybe, or gas mileage. But the 1965 SOHC similarly tasked (the "modern" engine doesn't get 2 turbos to compete) will beat a 6.2 to death. When your foot is on the floor...technology's advantage is gone. A shop near us just completed a 331 cubic inch (5.4) pushrod small block Ford with 2 turbos at 2300 horsepower. (Ford Racing engine block) Technology has its place.
I want to make this engine, it's unique and awesome.
It is very Unique! And had a ton of potential... Thanks for Watching!
Andy
Blackout Ford went with two separate cam chains because the 427 single overhead cam have one chain that was 7ft Plus in length and then after a while it would stretch and throw everything off and had to be replaced especially if you were racing it that high RPMs
I love my 6.2 liter. It's been a great engine for me
It is a great engine!
Andy
I just got my hands on one of these yesterday. It's a core engine with a noise, hopefully it's fixable so I can swap it into my truck!
That is awesome Drew!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage All that's wrong with it is a failed roller rocker. This is the best core I've seen all year! Looking for 2 rockers and drivers side sd cam
I've looked for videos of the 6.2L SOHC 2V BOSS V8 making over 700 HP NA but I've couldn't find any of those videos. Also this is the engine that EcoBoost owners like to make fun of.
We have a 6.2 super duty at work and I've always been impressed how peppy it is. These 6.2 should be 351m/400 kinda cheap at junk yards. And surely some cam company could grind something custom up. Tha valve covers and intake shouldn't be a big issue with someone that knows how to handle a 3d printer. At the very least make an adaptor or plates to make an existing intake work ala....351c intake spacers on a 400.
Could you please cc the combustion chamber, also piston to deck clearance would be nice and maybe sonic test the cylinder walls. It's so hard to find good info on this engine.
John, I'm sure once we get more into this project we will be doing these things..
Just for reference, the quickest and fastest pass of a nearly all oem Ford is a 4.6 4V.
John Mihovetz prepped one and still retained the OEM cast block and heads, timing components, and factory Kellogg crank ultimately running a 5.88 at 250mph on race gas.
That's both quicker and faster than any pass by a 427 SOHC on NITRO!
It's a shame that Ford treats this engine like a red headed step child. It has crazy performance potential. Oh well another engine that Ford will move on from and build another platform that they will abandon in a few years.
That is true...
Andy
Funny how Ford has circled back to pushrod engines.
Any update on this engine and build?
6.2 is still available it's not dead
Watch Road to Baja it goes in depth on the performance development of the 6.2 in the Raptor .
U really don't my Attention I'm working on a 67 Ford Mustang fastback and that's always been trying to find a motor to put in it and I think and I might go the route that you're talking about I'd really like to learn more about your what you've found and how you can make that 73 work
But will it fit in my 96 Bronco? And if it did would it tear things up?
This engine just needs some intake options aside from the stocker and the whipple s/c intake
I own a machine shop. (Manual old school) the SOHC 427 is in my all time favorite engine! Can we work together to make up some rockerarms and other bo fast gears? I’ll keep checking here for 30 days to see if you reply. P.S. I love Vizards videos. The man is a practice genius. Please! Please! Post any videos you have on this engine. To me, the constraining factor of this factory design is the flow from the exhaust ports. What did you guys find? P.P.S. Don’t put Chevy rods in a Ford engine.
Connie Kalitta said there'd be NO Chrysler Hemi in Top Fuel if Ford would of continued the SOHC program. No pushrods = lots of rpm.
Since you can’t get cam shafts for the 6.2 could you turbo charge it?!!❤🎉🎉🎉
So, what would the displacement be with the 7.3 crank in the 6.2 block?
Around 402Cid,
Thanks for Watching
Andy
anybody know what the rocker ratio is on the 6.2 ??
What would you have to do to swap this engine into a mustang?
*the 427 SOHC had Fully Hemispherical Combustion Chambers, and the Single Overhead Cams offered more Radical Cam Timing.*
*Hemispherical Combustion Chambers offer a 20% increase in HP over the Wedge Head design.*
Hey folks its Keith Johnson the EcoBoost lover.
Did we have any updates or new build with the 6.2 SOHC?
Is there anything going on with your 6.2 or Godzilla build?
I’m guessing the 6.2 never made it into a Mustang for 2 reasons. Emissions and fuel mileage. Even back in 2010 Ford knew the EPA was coming at all manufacturers with stricter fuel mileage standards.
That would be my guess also...
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Something I'm noticing that might be going on. Ford might have run themselves out of racetrack with engines on the mustang. They've already confirmed that a 6.8L Windsor is coming based off the Godzilla and I'm betting that's gonna be the "427" that ford ends the combustion mustangs on. They can't get much more powerful before it becomes too much for their target market. I'm sure people would still buy a 1400hp pony but most of the people who want that will build it themselves.
Yet the C8 has a 6.2 in it.
Don't you just love liberals? They really screwed us in muscle car era. We've been screwed ever since. They just love to be the killjoy in everyone's life cuz they want everyone to be as miserable as they are. I got my driver's license a year before the Mustang 2 came out, I stopped at a Ford dealer and looked at one. I didn't know whether to cry or puke, pretty much like now. No refineries built in over 30 yrs, gas prices thru the roof again. Remember the Arab Oil Embargo shiyit? I saw people fighting in gas lines cuz the Arabs had the "answers" according to Jimmah Cahtaa. We had hostages in Iran, peanut boy didn't have a clue what was best for our country
I'd love to see that 6.2 done up all nice and sweet with a Procharger or other forced induction on E85
Waiting for the aftermarket to offer a complete kit for the 7.3 push rod to go into my 2003 Cobra. Never was a big fan of the modern "Cammer" engine. Expensive race parts, and more of them.
I mean, what's not to like... 445 cubic inches compared to 281 cubic inches. My guess, more engine bay room too.
Mark, you are right... How can you NOT love 445 cubes.. in a package just slightly bigger than the 351w....
As much as I like the 6.2 and what it could offer, packaging it in a Fox/SN95/New Edge is tough! Plus even if you run the 7.3 crank in the 6.2 you end up with 403" vs 379" stock.
I can't wait to see what the Aftermarket does with the 7.3
Thanks for Watching
Andy
*Hey Efab 93,*
Yeah, I may be a Boomer, but you're part of the young & dumb.
You didn't see a stock Terminator engine with just a Whipple upgrade run the 1320 in 8 seconds, LOL!
I'll bet my 19,xxx mile 03 Cobra on that! 8 seconds, you have to be kidding, LOL! You are clueless.
Just got done watching a RUclips vid on a 04 Comp Orange, big twin screw Whipple, *built* aluminum block with engine laying down "around" 900hp and owner stated 9 something.
Where did you source the parts needed to convert the 4.6 to a direct-cam-driven distributor-based ignition?
Stylac, we made it ourselves... We used a 351C distributor cut down and welded a socket on the shaft that was the size of the cam gear bolt. Drilled the aluminum valvecover (made by Team Breed) in the proper location then welded a sleeve on the valvecover for the distributor to slide into... it is held in place by 3 set screws drilled and tapped into the sleeve.. Hope this helps. I'm wanting to say that we did this back around 2009 or 2010... it works great we use a crank trigger to fire the ignition but it is nice having a regular style ignition system on the car... Thanks for Watching. I did a Video on the mustang awhile back on my channel. The fastest Nitrous 4.6 2V
Andy
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Very nice work. Looks professionally made by an OEM. I love these type of projects where you are doing something original!
Stylac, Thank you! On this deal.. it was done out of necessity.. We had been running the MSD Mod 6 box controller. We in fact had one of the first if not the first Box to test on a Carbed 4.6 and this engine has 14 to 1 compression with ALOT of Nitrous which makes for a ton of cylinder pressure.. well with this the Mod 6 box would work great for a short time and then it would kill the coil drivers in the box! It would drop cylinders and cause horrible backfires.. after we went through 3 or 4 of those boxes it became apparent that I had to come up with a change.. so I sketched the design out and we made what you see today... Funny Story years ago we took the car to a NMRA race and a rep from Trickflow came over to look at the car. ( We were running their heads ) he began to ask me about the setup so I explained how we did it. A few months later at SEMA and PRI Trickflow had come out with a kit to do the same thing! You can still buy it today... The idea came from this car!
Andy
Any idea what the 6.2's dimensions are compared to a 5.4? Will it run on the 5.4's ECU?
It is slightly taller and wider than the 5.4 and yes you could modify your 5.4 computer to run the 6.2
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage Thanks, Andy!
How about a update on Casper progress
Its coming..
Andy
I always thought the 6.2 was under rated and over looked. I never seen any for service in my small shop, even for an oil change.
I agree Joe! they are great engines... Thanks for watching!
Andy
Would the 6.2 fit in a new edge mustang ? Will it bolt to the 5 speed?
I Hope SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes it will, there have been a few Foxbody swaps with this engine, It has the traditional Mod motor bellhousing bolt pattern.
Andy
When it comes to mustangs yeah overhead cam absolutely Ford knows what they're doing when it comes to trucks though give me push road or diesel
Am I wrong or is the 6.2 the motor that has the Voodoo flat plane crank? Plus of course the SOHC valve train design.
No, the 6.2 has a conventional crank... You are thinking of the 5.2 DOHC Voodoo that has the flat plane crankshaft..
Thanks for Watching!
Andy
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage thanks for clearing that up.
I got this engine and want to put this in my 98 mustang
Please sir go with the 445ci Godzilla 7.3, nobody is showing gradual fab work on shimming a 7.3 in older trucks or cars. Personally I’m wanting to put a stock 7.3 out of a wrecked 2019-2021 truck into my 85 F250 XLT Lariat 4X4 for daily driving with power upgrades after the fab work is complete and drivable daily. I’m currently just waiting for a wrecked truck with a running 7.3 salvage title to show up in the junkyards to do the swap because buying everything new outright I can’t afford. Sadly this means somebody has to have a bad day for me to be able to do this swap in a 85 OBS Ford Truck.
do the cammer heads fit on the 7.3 block?
No... It would take a great deal of work to make them work on the 7.3 but I'm sure with enough effort anything is possible!
Thanks for Watching
Andy
Alp these LS Coyote comparisons are using 6 or 7 liter LS against the 5.0 i would love to see this 427 smoke a 427 LS.
Revanevan has got a really cool RUclips channel, if your a Ford guy his channel is for you.
He has some really good content!
@@UnityMotorSportsGarage the mustang with the 604 boss engine is pretty badass. Would definitely like to get behind that wheel.
Andy. Dont let the 6.2 SOHC die.
When are you going to do the cylinder head cross section of the 6.2 head?
I sent DV an email about this head design 2 month ago but no reply.
I need one for a 68 fastback.
Ford takes great pride in there truck engines, they put the most work in there trucks.
They sure do my brother.
for an engine of those to distributor and carburetor like the Mustang the adaptation is sold