Some people have theorised that what Capitano uses isn't cryo, but solid phlogiston imbued with abyssal power. Also if you look at his 3D model, he doesn't have a vision nor delusion
@@ittokabuto6086 I'm pretty sure he's an old hero of Natlan that died and was resurrected by the Tsaritsa. If you look up The Lich King from WoW, Capitano is nearly identical to him, same with the Night King (not design but ability wise) from GoT. Also with the talks of Durin being resurrected soon, I'm sure Capitano is going to be the one to do it and follow the cycle of the other characters I mentioned because they did the same thing with a dragon.
And the reason I say he was resurrected by the Tsaritsa is because of his affinity with ice and the fact he has some sort of dark aura which makes me believe it wasn't Mavuika that resurrected him since nobody she resurrects has it.
Just to make things clear at the end the person who was talking to capitano wasn’t kinich It’s someone new we haven’t met before hence the “???” On the name
Yeah, I wen't back to the Ignition Trailer and saw that the Guy standing alongside Capitano was someone else. I think he might be someone who Betrayed one of the tribes.
There was a livestream where head director of voice acting, in mihoyo, stated he won’t reveal capitano true element but he said it’s purple, so it’s probably abyssal related, and we know all harbingers have second forms or phase. Capitano didn’t use his, there is this misconception mavuika is weakened against capitano, she sacrificed her power to the flames after the fight. Capitano also didn’t lose, as the archive note stated it was draw, and they would have resumed their fight. Capitano also never said ‘saved the day ‘ it was a mistranslation by the en. There is not telling how strong he could be in the future, especially if he has a second phase. Since we know from the voice director his element is purple, this likely isn’t his true element
@@jonathanjoestar2122yeah there’s misconceptions about the fight, but it’s not really the players’ fault. The way the cutscene is framed makes it look like Capitano “ran”. He does look like he’s winding up an attack right before the mist but unfortunately most players won’t notice that with how brief it was. The mistranslation of capitano saying he was “saved” obviously doesn’t help his case either
@@ScobraGamingTbf it is a dumb idea to put him in a trailer cuz it is a such a spoiler lol But i am glad that i had a brainrot and remembered that only after a final scene with Capitano 😅
Tbf traveller weak as f right now 😅 We beat only the weakest harbinger Child and only cuz he used his "Foul Legacy" and become weak with time (cuz he couldnt hold it for too long at that moment) And Signora who is just a diplomat not a warrior All other fights 1v1 we lost and needed help of the third party
@@ProkerKusaka oh nonono. Signora was still incredibly strong. Her cryo delusion held her back and was limiting her flames. It was originally given to suppress those flames so that it doesn't burn and melt herself. Since what we fought was the Crimson Witch of Embers and not Flames, it's just believed that she was not as strong as she was in her prime. The Traveller do be pretty strong but they cant compete with ppl possible Scaramouche and above, seeing as how easily they were beaten by Arlecchino. Downplaying Signora's strength is fairly common since she got one shotted by the Shogun. If her flames burned like they originally did 500 yrs ago, the traveller would definitely lose 100%. Rip bozo tho.
Yeah, they're really humbling Traveler in the past few patches. I don't have a huge problem with it but I do wish he (or she) doesn't stay weak as we reach Russia (I can't spell Snezhnaya).
@@monke.2323 oh, no, dont get me wrong, i dont say she is weak or something. She is a harbinger arter all but just not strength enough for a traveller I say traveller weak cuz we know they have a great potential but not powerfull right now
i mean - no shit Mavuika is stronger than the Traveler, we are no match for "strong" archons, the reason we defeated Ei was because of those ambitions or whatever. I also bet that Zhongli is even stronger than the pyro archon. I personally wonder tho - where do people like Dainsleif and our sibling stand in relation to Mavuika or Capitano
Personally, I wish Genshin just straight up showed us the power of the Archons. Prior to Arlechinno's fight w/ Traveler it felt like they were nerfing the Archons (and Harbingers/Enemies) just for Traveler to win and I guess that's just gonna take a while for me to get over.
Dain is sus cuz he is using "power from beyond" like sinners. And abyss sibling said he could win in fight if not emotions. I doubt that abyss sibling is weak after end of the journey and getting abyss powers
Lets rank the Archons, 1. Saritsa 2. Mavuika, Raiden, Zhong Li 3. Greater Lord Rukhadevata 4. Focalors, Nahida 5. Venti I might be wrong but guys please give your opinion.
I would place Venti and Tsaritsa as "Unknown" for now. Here's my list though. Archon - Reason 0. Neuvillette - Not an Archon, but literally in charge of Hydro so... 1. Ei - Has no need for Gnosis anymore. Literally better version of Wanderer's body (and he's the most durable among the harbingers apparently). 2. Mavuika - Human, but from I understood, she can use the power of past heroes to strengthen herself. Talking about when she opened up a rift to get us out of the Night Kingdom. Still, this might change quickly as we get more quests. 3. Zhongli - On par with Azhdaha rn. Most likely was the strongest during the archon war. 4. Nahida - Without Irminsul and/or Akasha, she can't really do much. If she can use Irminsul though, she can pretty much get rid of anyone before they even fight. 5. Furina - Will Hide behind Neuvillette. This is only in terms of raw strength by themselves.
Fatui is literally the servant of Tsaritsa the cryo Archon. How can you serve a Goddess who has weaker than you.. even though the top 3 Fatui has a god level. They can’t be stronger than the cryo Archon Thousand of years ago there’s an Archon war.. and all of the Gods participated and the victorious shall become the Archon.. you underestimate the Archon power 🤣
Keywords, thousands of years ago. Plus, a lot of them died so they aren't omnipotent. Sure they might've been strong at their prime, but they didn't remain that way throughout. From what I understand, the Harbingers have only been growing stronger. Top 3 are most likely old AF and probably older than most of the current archons. So yes, I would expect them to be stronger than the archons and I don't think I'm underestimating them. As for serving a "weaker" archon. Are we really going to pretend that there is nobody stronger than the current archons? Archons aren't even at the peak. Celestia (as of now) is. I could go on and on about this but that's pretty much it for now.
I don't really get why people are so surprised Capitano lost the fight. When talking about their strength the elite Fatui have been compared to "Gods" but not Archons. Remember that Archons are the highest tier of godhood until Celestia. Think about Zhongli throwing mountains, Venti terraforming Mondstat, Ei slicing her entire nation in half with a single strike, and Nahida being able to alter the memories of the entire planet like that level of power is beyond insane. I do wonder though since Mavuika is a human who became a god if she is technically weaker than the other archons since the height of their power was wielded without the Gnosis (except maybe Venti).
Here's why I was a little surprised. The way I see it, the Fatui + Cyro Archon are (probably) rebelling against Celestia/HP. In order to do that, I kinda expect them to be stronger than the Archons, at least even by a little. I was expecting this even more from the Captain since he's ranked No. 1. Honestly, I think Genshin isn't doing a great job with the power scale. It seems inconsistent when it comes to Archons, The Harbingers, Gods, The Abyss Order, and the Traveler (and maybe Paimon lol). This is just my opinion but I think if they instead showed us their power visually rather than through some obscure riddled text, it would've been a lot better. They've been doing it more recently with Traveler VS Arlechinno, and now Mavuika VS Capitano. Overall, I'm still enjoying this quest and don't really have any complains. That cutscene was straight up FIRE and I'm looking forward to the next Acts.
I think Murata created "shadow real" and took her gnosis there hence why we cant get pyro element cuz it is out of bounds So Mavuika just borrow power via flame. And it is not at final form
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Some people have theorised that what Capitano uses isn't cryo, but solid phlogiston imbued with abyssal power. Also if you look at his 3D model, he doesn't have a vision nor delusion
It really reminded me of the "Cryo" that the Cryo Abyss Herald used. It has the same Dark Aura to it.
If he doesn't have vision nor delusion it could just mean he is like Neuvillete, an elemental being might even be cryo sovereign
@@ittokabuto6086 I'm pretty sure he's an old hero of Natlan that died and was resurrected by the Tsaritsa. If you look up The Lich King from WoW, Capitano is nearly identical to him, same with the Night King (not design but ability wise) from GoT. Also with the talks of Durin being resurrected soon, I'm sure Capitano is going to be the one to do it and follow the cycle of the other characters I mentioned because they did the same thing with a dragon.
And the reason I say he was resurrected by the Tsaritsa is because of his affinity with ice and the fact he has some sort of dark aura which makes me believe it wasn't Mavuika that resurrected him since nobody she resurrects has it.
Or maybe he one of the sinners
Just to make things clear at the end the person who was talking to capitano wasn’t kinich
It’s someone new we haven’t met before hence the “???” On the name
Yeah, I wen't back to the Ignition Trailer and saw that the Guy standing alongside Capitano was someone else. I think he might be someone who Betrayed one of the tribes.
There was a livestream where head director of voice acting, in mihoyo, stated he won’t reveal capitano true element but he said it’s purple, so it’s probably abyssal related, and we know all harbingers have second forms or phase. Capitano didn’t use his, there is this misconception mavuika is weakened against capitano, she sacrificed her power to the flames after the fight. Capitano also didn’t lose, as the archive note stated it was draw, and they would have resumed their fight. Capitano also never said ‘saved the day ‘ it was a mistranslation by the en. There is not telling how strong he could be in the future, especially if he has a second phase. Since we know from the voice director his element is purple, this likely isn’t his true element
You have a point about the second phase. I'm still processing all the info from the quests.
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Yeh the quest is a lot to take in, but one misconception is that capitano is weaker then mavuika which he isn’t
@@jonathanjoestar2122yeah there’s misconceptions about the fight, but it’s not really the players’ fault. The way the cutscene is framed makes it look like Capitano “ran”. He does look like he’s winding up an attack right before the mist but unfortunately most players won’t notice that with how brief it was. The mistranslation of capitano saying he was “saved” obviously doesn’t help his case either
The traitor is from the Masters of the Night Wind so it couldn't be Kinich.
Maybe is Ororon? Idk
Yup, I realized later. We get a glimpse of him in the Ignition Trailer. He was standing next to Capitano.
@@ScobraGamingTbf it is a dumb idea to put him in a trailer cuz it is a such a spoiler lol
But i am glad that i had a brainrot and remembered that only after a final scene with Capitano 😅
@@ProkerKusaka exactly. they could have removed him in the teaser trailer because it’s a major spoiler in act 2 lol.
Tbf traveller weak as f right now 😅
We beat only the weakest harbinger Child and only cuz he used his "Foul Legacy" and become weak with time (cuz he couldnt hold it for too long at that moment)
And Signora who is just a diplomat not a warrior
All other fights 1v1 we lost and needed help of the third party
@@ProkerKusaka oh nonono. Signora was still incredibly strong. Her cryo delusion held her back and was limiting her flames. It was originally given to suppress those flames so that it doesn't burn and melt herself. Since what we fought was the Crimson Witch of Embers and not Flames, it's just believed that she was not as strong as she was in her prime. The Traveller do be pretty strong but they cant compete with ppl possible Scaramouche and above, seeing as how easily they were beaten by Arlecchino. Downplaying Signora's strength is fairly common since she got one shotted by the Shogun. If her flames burned like they originally did 500 yrs ago, the traveller would definitely lose 100%. Rip bozo tho.
Yeah, they're really humbling Traveler in the past few patches. I don't have a huge problem with it but I do wish he (or she) doesn't stay weak as we reach Russia (I can't spell Snezhnaya).
@@monke.2323 oh, no, dont get me wrong, i dont say she is weak or something. She is a harbinger arter all but just not strength enough for a traveller
I say traveller weak cuz we know they have a great potential but not powerfull right now
i mean - no shit Mavuika is stronger than the Traveler, we are no match for "strong" archons, the reason we defeated Ei was because of those ambitions or whatever. I also bet that Zhongli is even stronger than the pyro archon. I personally wonder tho - where do people like Dainsleif and our sibling stand in relation to Mavuika or Capitano
Personally, I wish Genshin just straight up showed us the power of the Archons. Prior to Arlechinno's fight w/ Traveler it felt like they were nerfing the Archons (and Harbingers/Enemies) just for Traveler to win and I guess that's just gonna take a while for me to get over.
Dain is sus cuz he is using "power from beyond" like sinners. And abyss sibling said he could win in fight if not emotions. I doubt that abyss sibling is weak after end of the journey and getting abyss powers
Lets rank the Archons,
1. Saritsa
2. Mavuika, Raiden, Zhong Li
3. Greater Lord Rukhadevata
4. Focalors, Nahida
5. Venti
I might be wrong but guys please give your opinion.
I would place Venti and Tsaritsa as "Unknown" for now. Here's my list though.
Archon - Reason
0. Neuvillette - Not an Archon, but literally in charge of Hydro so...
1. Ei - Has no need for Gnosis anymore. Literally better version of Wanderer's body (and he's the most durable among the harbingers apparently).
2. Mavuika - Human, but from I understood, she can use the power of past heroes to strengthen herself. Talking about when she opened up a rift to get us out of the Night Kingdom. Still, this might change quickly as we get more quests.
3. Zhongli - On par with Azhdaha rn. Most likely was the strongest during the archon war.
4. Nahida - Without Irminsul and/or Akasha, she can't really do much. If she can use Irminsul though, she can pretty much get rid of anyone before they even fight.
5. Furina - Will Hide behind Neuvillette.
This is only in terms of raw strength by themselves.
Why do I hear zhongli talking when wayna was talking
Fatui is literally the servant of Tsaritsa the cryo Archon. How can you serve a Goddess who has weaker than you.. even though the top 3 Fatui has a god level. They can’t be stronger than the cryo Archon
Thousand of years ago there’s an Archon war.. and all of the Gods participated and the victorious shall become the Archon.. you underestimate the Archon power 🤣
Keywords, thousands of years ago. Plus, a lot of them died so they aren't omnipotent. Sure they might've been strong at their prime, but they didn't remain that way throughout. From what I understand, the Harbingers have only been growing stronger. Top 3 are most likely old AF and probably older than most of the current archons. So yes, I would expect them to be stronger than the archons and I don't think I'm underestimating them.
As for serving a "weaker" archon. Are we really going to pretend that there is nobody stronger than the current archons? Archons aren't even at the peak. Celestia (as of now) is.
I could go on and on about this but that's pretty much it for now.
I don't really get why people are so surprised Capitano lost the fight. When talking about their strength the elite Fatui have been compared to "Gods" but not Archons. Remember that Archons are the highest tier of godhood until Celestia. Think about Zhongli throwing mountains, Venti terraforming Mondstat, Ei slicing her entire nation in half with a single strike, and Nahida being able to alter the memories of the entire planet like that level of power is beyond insane.
I do wonder though since Mavuika is a human who became a god if she is technically weaker than the other archons since the height of their power was wielded without the Gnosis (except maybe Venti).
Here's why I was a little surprised. The way I see it, the Fatui + Cyro Archon are (probably) rebelling against Celestia/HP. In order to do that, I kinda expect them to be stronger than the Archons, at least even by a little. I was expecting this even more from the Captain since he's ranked No. 1.
Honestly, I think Genshin isn't doing a great job with the power scale. It seems inconsistent when it comes to Archons, The Harbingers, Gods, The Abyss Order, and the Traveler (and maybe Paimon lol). This is just my opinion but I think if they instead showed us their power visually rather than through some obscure riddled text, it would've been a lot better. They've been doing it more recently with Traveler VS Arlechinno, and now Mavuika VS Capitano.
Overall, I'm still enjoying this quest and don't really have any complains. That cutscene was straight up FIRE and I'm looking forward to the next Acts.
I think Murata created "shadow real" and took her gnosis there hence why we cant get pyro element cuz it is out of bounds
So Mavuika just borrow power via flame. And it is not at final form