Regarding what you asked... what both lawyers are asking for is the opposite. Penny's lawyer: there is controversy (a disagreement between the parties). A&K's lawyer: There is NO real dispute between actual parties. This implies that the case should be dismissed as judges cannot give opinions on hypothetical situations or cases where there is no disagreement. Interesting fact: Chef Penny's lawyer is her husband... Jonathan Lee Borsurk. You can look him up (or any lawyer for that matter) on the California Bar (under attorney search) and will find out that he was licensed very recently (2022). He is the one (it seems) who filed the TM, which by the way anyone can do. I can go tomorrow and file a tm for up and adam (I wont). That's why it is important to protect your business name and identity...
It really does. She’s a successful well-known chef who is referred to the girls by LVP because of this. And the first chance she gets she tries to screw them over. The thing with trademarks though is it’s not as simple as oh I own the trademark now because it’s under my name. There’s lots of ways to fight it in court one being who use the trademark first and when. Katie and Ariana were talking about the name of the sandwich shop before they even found the sandwich shop. They were making and selling merch I believe before they found their place if not it’s right around the same time and also had it above the structure when they did lease it. So long before Penny was on board. I’m sure it’s also in all sorts of documents like the leasing documents and so on.
@@Bumblebee7558that’s exactly what i paid $2,000 to learn 10 years ago. Trademark ™️ happens when it’s first published online. So if someone takes your domain and trademark’s the name after you launch - they don’t win the battle.
VPR set them up Penny assumed they were innocents she can take advantage of. Instead they consulted attorneys she sent email with her demands. You created menu admitted the food they are serving so really it doesn't involve you dear. I think Vanderpump used Penny to control them. Penny dear Katie's mom ran restaurant her entire life. Get over yourself you greedy troll.
Adam is absolutely right. After criticizing Ariana's and Katie the SAH sandwiches and saying their business won't make it, Ms. Shady chef Penny wants a cut of the profits. I believe her and her husband did some dirty dealing behind the girls back !
Wow! This chef wants 10000 a month! This is Katie and Ariana's restaurant. From the show I thought Penny was helping with the menu not being a co owner.
That sounds like an exorbitant amount per month when they weren’t sure how successful their shop would be. How could they sign a contract ahead of time?
Ariana told her to right on camera. She should probably the ave p it t it in all three me names but Ariana was rude (as usual) about it and nonspecific. 😮😢😂
@@Wishicouldpicksix I know, I read your comment and was just sharing what I saw and know with you. And no I don't think she needed to specify and think it was sneaky and underhanded of Penny for sure ! I even complimented your handle. ❤️ Don't know why you seem So upset. (?)
Wow, why is this chef so invested? This is just a sandwich shop, well I think we all know why it’s because it’s Ariana and Katie and they’re in the public eye…
Penny is crazy who would believe this??? 7500 a month for ever.... most restaurants dont make money for years and breaking even is considered fantastic. As a manager she should know that?? Like this math aint mathing!!! Chef penny get a grip 👀👀👀🙄🙄🙄
@@amandanelson4681 No l know, I was being facetious, lol. 😊😂 When Sandoval didn't want Katie's input for Schwartz & Sandy's she tried to experience shame them claiming she had Way More experience than them because she worked with her mom previously in a restaurant. She said to Schwartz she wanted to be ‘head bitch in charge', 😂 and Sandy wasn't having it !! 😂😂😂
Penny is contradicting herself all over the place tbh...good thing they decided NOT to do business with her. She's a snake. That's prob how she's gotten where she is now.
Miss Penny sounds like Mob payments 😂 that's an exorbitant amount increased 10,000 a month wtf how many sandwiches do they need to sell to pay for that. This woman needs to leave these girls alone you have enough money babes
The only bright side of this being highlighted is that chef Penny’s name will be ruined in the business. No one will ever partner with her again because she’s so shady.
She really thinks she'll be set because she doesn't really care about her image anymore. I'm so happy these girls aren't going to let her take them down, tho she's really trying!!! They deserve a win
Wow Chef Penny is certainly full of herself….items she created? She invented bread, lettuce, chicken …? She may have created a menu but she didnt create food. Arianna and Katie cMe up with the idea of a sandwich shop, the name of it, the concept of how it would look and they brought their fame to it. Not Penny.
I never liked her!!! I saw 👀 her on a cooking show years ago. Didn’t like her then. She thought Katie and Ariana wasn’t going to have sense enough to fight back. She thought 💭 she could steamroll them.🙄
Penny is shady. She also by acknowledging they didn’t use her recipes also lessens her claim to the 10%. She sounds like such a shady idiot for someone supposedly known in the LA food industry. This ruins her reputation probably more than whatever $ she can squeeze out of her lawsuit
I work in a family owned restaurant. The head chef has made multiple signature sauces and recipes. He gets paid a basic salary, that’s it. I didn’t hear anything in the story that would warrant ownership in the business. Very confusing?
Chef Penny's job description expands with every article. Holy crap. She was an employee, not a partner. When an original recipe has changes made to it, it's no longer the original recipe. It ain't hers. Girl needs to move on...
So this should all be in writing. Plain language will allow for an email and text as it doesn’t have to be a formal contract. Without anything in writing, chef penny is screwed
I think Penny has a good case. I also think Katie and Ariana are in over their head. It’s a bad investment for them and will never franchise. Pipe dreams.
They have proof of who came up with the name of the restaurant due to it being named on film and that’s before Penny was ever involved. Lisa seems to be in favor of Penny. So how does it help introducing Penny if she’s literally trying to take the business. A perfect example of greed. Truth, it seems they made a lot of money after the Sandoval scandal and it has nothing to do with a sandwich.
Sounds like shade is from all directions. No one knows what really went down with these 3 very strong females. Chef penny is a very prominent professional chef. They should have been grateful she wanted to be a part of this shop. Vpr won’t be around forever or Ariana’s big scandaval career blessings. Foresight people. Everyone grows and moves on from youthful phases.
In todays world, and the chef being more experienced w/ creating businesses(w/ vanderpump), she never got a written contract?🤡 Its obvious she is a underhanded business person, getting the patent w/out their knowledge and trying via court/ suing to get 💸💵💸 she isnt entitled to☠️💩💀Besides, wasn’t the restaurant not even open bc of permits, and shes looking for checks?
Ok I may be on the minority but Ariana exhausts me. It’s horrible and truly sad what she went through with Tom but it almost seems like she allegedly exploited the entire situation to be a professional victim for financial gain. How many of f us have been cheated on and went through horrible breakups? MAJORITY OF PEOPLE . And how many of us keep it dragging on? No many people do and would wanna just leave it be. But no we see here on dwts and more. She’s starting to feel like a Lala 2.0 always talking about her break up it’s truly exhausting
I completely agree. I can’t stand Ariana at all. I can’t stand the double standards either. If the tables were flipped and it was Ariana that cheated, would she have been treated the same as Tom? Not even close. In fact the girls still would have rallied around her saying “they understand” and imploring Tom to see reason. In fact, Tom would still get the blame if Arianna cheated. It’s just how double standards work. It’s gross and I’ll never support anyone in that cast again.
Katie and Ariana used Chef Penny for her Chef experiences..she introduced them to ingredients they had never even heard of..of course they quickly modified each sandwich in someway so they could say it wasn't hers..they ghosted her when it came to signing contract..Chef Penny got trademark so she would have some legal recourse for her contributions and work..I really think Ariana and Katie wanted Chef ideas but didn't want to pay Chef prices
I disagree, they didn’t want to co own with her. I don’t blame them. Ingredients ? I’m pretty sure it’s not hard to find out about “special” ingredients. It’s sandwich ingredients for gods sake it’s not moon science.
Katie & Ariana annoy me.🤣🤣🤣I don’t like them anymore. I got tired of Ariana whining and being an attention seeker. Btw who lives with someone and had sex once or twice a year???! No wonder he cheated but he should have just dumped her and moved on.
Chef Penny is claiming breach of oral contract. She owns the business trademark. Penny wants compensation. Something About Her co-owners did not honor business deal. They're excuse: "Waiting too long to file complaint" is moot. Penny retains a valid claim because business is still active. NOTE: Ariana & Katie have NEVER filed grievance over Penny's trademark ownership.
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Regarding what you asked... what both lawyers are asking for is the opposite. Penny's lawyer: there is controversy (a disagreement between the parties). A&K's lawyer: There is NO real dispute between actual parties. This implies that the case should be dismissed as judges cannot give opinions on hypothetical situations or cases where there is no disagreement. Interesting fact: Chef Penny's lawyer is her husband... Jonathan Lee Borsurk. You can look him up (or any lawyer for that matter) on the California Bar (under attorney search) and will find out that he was licensed very recently (2022). He is the one (it seems) who filed the TM, which by the way anyone can do. I can go tomorrow and file a tm for up and adam (I wont). That's why it is important to protect your business name and identity...
Chef Penny's underhanded purchase of the trademark speaks volumes to her character.
It really does. She’s a successful well-known chef who is referred to the girls by LVP because of this. And the first chance she gets she tries to screw them over. The thing with trademarks though is it’s not as simple as oh I own the trademark now because it’s under my name. There’s lots of ways to fight it in court one being who use the trademark first and when.
Katie and Ariana were talking about the name of the sandwich shop before they even found the sandwich shop. They were making and selling merch I believe before they found their place if not it’s right around the same time and also had it above the structure when they did lease it. So long before Penny was on board. I’m sure it’s also in all sorts of documents like the leasing documents and so on.
Exactly!!!
@@Bumblebee7558I think LVP was “silently” involved with the chef.
@@Bumblebee7558that’s exactly what i paid $2,000 to learn 10 years ago. Trademark ™️ happens when it’s first published online. So if someone takes your domain and trademark’s the name after you launch - they don’t win the battle.
Yes! 💯 Not to mention, LVP's, last I heard, she was sticking up for the chef 🤦♀️
Chef is gonna mess around and destroy her credibility. Good luck getting a job .😢
Chef Penny thought she could pull a fast one. It is shady as hell
VPR set them up Penny assumed they were innocents she can take advantage of. Instead they consulted attorneys she sent email with her demands. You created menu admitted the food they are serving so really it doesn't involve you dear. I think Vanderpump used Penny to control them. Penny dear Katie's mom ran restaurant her entire life. Get over yourself you greedy troll.
Everytime penny was on the show she seemed abrasive and a bully. Screw her.
Adam is absolutely right. After criticizing Ariana's and Katie the SAH sandwiches and saying their business won't make it, Ms. Shady chef Penny wants a cut of the profits. I believe her and her husband did some dirty dealing behind the girls back !
Wow! This chef wants 10000 a month! This is Katie and Ariana's restaurant. From the show I thought Penny was helping with the menu not being a co owner.
That sounds like an exorbitant amount per month when they weren’t sure how successful their shop would be. How could they sign a contract ahead of time?
I think she is trying to scam them!!
I wonder what that equals in saw Michigan vs Cali
I mean 10000 a month for anyone employed at a sandwich shop is just not affordable, she was costing or wanting to much
I read that Chef Penny did the trademark behind their backs. Sounds shady
Ariana told her to right on camera. She should probably the ave p it t it in all three me names but Ariana was rude (as usual) about it and nonspecific. 😮😢😂
Love your handle ❤❤😊
@@valsmith9133 First- I said I read it, which isn’t fact. Second - do you really think Ariana had to specify about the trademark of her own business?
@@Wishicouldpicksix I know, I read your comment and was just sharing what I saw and know with you. And no I don't think she needed to specify and think it was sneaky and underhanded of Penny for sure ! I even complimented your handle. ❤️ Don't know why you seem So upset. (?)
@@valsmith9133 I’m not upset. I was just clarifying what I meant. I liked your comment btw.
I’ll be surprised if anyone hires her again, extremely dirty! She took the name and tried to scam these girls.
Did Penney think she’d get $7500/month? It’s a sandwich shop!
Sandwiches that are probably going for 25 bucks a pop.
I’d say she has an idea of how much the shop is making p/m
@@Igotnothin_😂 sure
@@AnonymousPerson0182 do you think they only sell sandwiches? 🫠
@@Igotnothin_ I don’t really care. Sounds like you’re more concerned about Chef Penny than I am. 😂
Wow, why is this chef so invested? This is just a sandwich shop, well I think we all know why it’s because it’s Ariana and Katie and they’re in the public eye…
So wrong - Chef Penny just trying to take advantage of younger business owners and creators - Shame shame
Penny tried to take over from day one. They barely got a word in when she took over interviewing for staff
Chef Penny and Lisa Vanderpump tried to get control of their restaurant. Liza can't stand the women being successful without her! Pretty gross!
Total contradiction! Penny, See You Next Tuesday!
IT'S C.U.NEXT.TUESDAY.
@@jessicajay5624 Thanks, I know that, but I did not want to be that graphic! Same point.
Penny is crazy who would believe this??? 7500 a month for ever.... most restaurants dont make money for years and breaking even is considered fantastic. As a manager she should know that?? Like this math aint mathing!!! Chef penny get a grip 👀👀👀🙄🙄🙄
Why did they need a fancy chef to make delicious sandwhiches anyway? It’s sandwhiches.
I know, especially with All of Katie's restaurant experience that she speaks of.
Because it’s tied (by association) to LVP so it has to be glamorous sandies 😂😂😂
@@valsmith9133Katie has been a server but not actually worked back of the house so has zero practical knowledge
@@amandanelson4681 No l know, I was being facetious, lol. 😊😂 When Sandoval didn't want Katie's input for Schwartz & Sandy's she tried to experience shame them claiming she had Way More experience than them because she worked with her mom previously in a restaurant. She said to Schwartz she wanted to be ‘head bitch in charge', 😂 and Sandy wasn't having it !! 😂😂😂
@@amandanelson4681 And yes, I agree with you. 👍💯🤣
I definitely think it’s shady
Ariana can not catch a break. Everyone wants her money 🙄
Penny waited to see how successful it was before complaining…
Which is total crap 💩
Penny is contradicting herself all over the place tbh...good thing they decided NOT to do business with her. She's a snake. That's prob how she's gotten where she is now.
Well, I'm just waiting for a Something About Her to come to NYC. I'm hoping it'll be in Soho/Noho.
Miss Penny sounds like Mob payments 😂 that's an exorbitant amount increased 10,000 a month wtf how many sandwiches do they need to sell to pay for that. This woman needs to leave these girls alone you have enough money babes
The only bright side of this being highlighted is that chef Penny’s name will be ruined in the business. No one will ever partner with her again because she’s so shady.
She really thinks she'll be set because she doesn't really care about her image anymore. I'm so happy these girls aren't going to let her take them down, tho she's really trying!!! They deserve a win
Omg I read the title as SHOCKING LEGAL TWINS 👯♀️🤦♀️😂
Wow Chef Penny is certainly full of herself….items she created? She invented bread, lettuce, chicken …? She may have created a menu but she didnt create food. Arianna and Katie cMe up with the idea of a sandwich shop, the name of it, the concept of how it would look and they brought their fame to it. Not Penny.
If Penny thought all of that then why in the hell would she try to extort the ladies? Sad.
I'd like to know how involved LVP is behind the scenes. This whole thing is shadyaf.
I never liked her!!! I saw 👀 her on a cooking show years ago. Didn’t like her then. She thought Katie and Ariana wasn’t going to have sense enough to fight back. She thought 💭 she could steamroll them.🙄
She saw the merch profits and went after a share. Shady.
Seems to me that with so much riding on this deal, Penny should have gotten it in writing. All sales, including merch- in forever? She cray-
And they need to go after her to get the trademark back!
Penny is shady. She also by acknowledging they didn’t use her recipes also lessens her claim to the 10%. She sounds like such a shady idiot for someone supposedly known in the LA food industry. This ruins her reputation probably more than whatever $ she can squeeze out of her lawsuit
You watch the Pennies carefully… the pounds will take care of themselves. Nice try Pen Pen
😂😂 love it!
Choices! Did the shop ever open? Me thinks 'poor' Ariana and the other one just needed something to do to boost their tv time
Its been open 🤡
I work in a family owned restaurant. The head chef has made multiple signature sauces and recipes. He gets paid a basic salary, that’s it. I didn’t hear anything in the story that would warrant ownership in the business. Very confusing?
This Trade Mark question… makes me think this was probably one of the biggest issues Katie and Ariana had with Chef P during last season of VPR
Chef Penny's job description expands with every article. Holy crap. She was an employee, not a partner. When an original recipe has changes made to it, it's no longer the original recipe. It ain't hers. Girl needs to move on...
They should change the name to something like "There's Something About Her..."
@@TheCoolBeans_ca😂😂 👍
I suspect Penny is a grifter
Chef P! Karma is on its way! Snap!😉😉😉😉
Yea I'm sure she wanted that money anyway she could .
So she made some sandwiches and now wants money every month? I would have made some sandwiches for them for free.
Chef. Needs to go away
10% I heard Ariana and Katie tell Lisa but I feel she came up with their menu
Exactly... I remember that too . Those girls were clueless and I bet chef Penny did all the work .
Chef Penny needs to lose as she is nothing and has done nothing and just wants her place in the media!!!!
So this should all be in writing. Plain language will allow for an email and text as it doesn’t have to be a formal contract. Without anything in writing, chef penny is screwed
7:53 verbal agreements hold ZERO weight!!!
Unless both parties agree to what was said....which is highly unlikely
Where is the signed contract? Penny’s husband needs to bet reported to the bar for fraud.
Ooohhh! I love a gentle vibration!
It's very specific for a verbal agreement
She is saying with her they would be successful as she is a chef
Bye Bye Penny!!
They need to revamp that menu. The breads they use is the biggest and most consistent complaint about their sandos
Oral can hold up if the payments match the oral - and proof. But if the audio was obtained illegally, it can’t be used in court.
I think Penny has a good case. I also think Katie and Ariana are in over their head. It’s a bad investment for them and will never franchise. Pipe dreams.
They have proof of who came up with the name of the restaurant due to it being named on film and that’s before Penny was ever involved. Lisa seems to be in favor of Penny. So how does it help introducing Penny if she’s literally trying to take the business. A perfect example of greed. Truth, it seems they made a lot of money after the Sandoval scandal and it has nothing to do with a sandwich.
Sounds like shade is from all directions. No one knows what really went down with these 3 very strong females. Chef penny is a very prominent professional chef. They should have been grateful she wanted to be a part of this shop. Vpr won’t be around forever or Ariana’s big scandaval career blessings. Foresight people. Everyone grows and moves on from youthful phases.
I feel like chef penny is greedy. Like why is she trying to take from their business. Isn’t she successful enough?
Regarding blah blah new daughter's name, was this the big deal ? Wow. Ok Well in some Spanish countries Sosa means Salty.
I love Pippa
In todays world, and the chef being more experienced w/ creating businesses(w/ vanderpump), she never got a written contract?🤡 Its obvious she is a underhanded business person, getting the patent w/out their knowledge and trying via court/ suing to get 💸💵💸 she isnt entitled to☠️💩💀Besides, wasn’t the restaurant not even open bc of permits, and shes looking for checks?
Jason seems to ask why you do a lot of things ... maybe it's time to ask Jason if he loves you for who you are or is he trying to change you.
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Change the name to “it’s all her” or something equally stupid
Ariana and Katie have always been mean girls. Ariana just hid it better.
Ok I may be on the minority but Ariana exhausts me. It’s horrible and truly sad what she went through with Tom but it almost seems like she allegedly exploited the entire situation to be a professional victim for financial gain. How many of f us have been cheated on and went through horrible breakups? MAJORITY OF PEOPLE . And how many of us keep it dragging on? No many people do and would wanna just leave it be. But no we see here on dwts and more. She’s starting to feel like a Lala 2.0 always talking about her break up it’s truly exhausting
I completely agree. I can’t stand Ariana at all. I can’t stand the double standards either. If the tables were flipped and it was Ariana that cheated, would she have been treated the same as Tom? Not even close. In fact the girls still would have rallied around her saying “they understand” and imploring Tom to see reason. In fact, Tom would still get the blame if Arianna cheated. It’s just how double standards work. It’s gross and I’ll never support anyone in that cast again.
Katie and Ariana used Chef Penny for her Chef experiences..she introduced them to ingredients they had never even heard of..of course they quickly modified each sandwich in someway so they could say it wasn't hers..they ghosted her when it came to signing contract..Chef Penny got trademark so she would have some legal recourse for her contributions and work..I really think Ariana and Katie wanted Chef ideas but didn't want to pay Chef prices
Well that is what they wanted. It is not like they didn't pay her. There is more to a store than just sandwiches. They are the pretty usual
Because they dumbed them down by changing ingredients they didn't know about..@lorig7077
I disagree, they didn’t want to co own with her. I don’t blame them. Ingredients ? I’m pretty sure it’s not hard to find out about “special” ingredients. It’s sandwich ingredients for gods sake it’s not moon science.
She was paid for her service. She wasn’t used.
@@juliebaughman3486ok Penny
Katie & Ariana annoy me.🤣🤣🤣I don’t like them anymore. I got tired of Ariana whining and being an attention seeker. Btw who lives with someone and had sex once or twice a year???! No wonder he cheated but he should have just dumped her and moved on.
They're both annoying and very rude and mean girls. 😠🤬😤😡👎🙄🤭
Katie gave Tom so much crap about how long it took to open his bar...
Chef Penny is claiming breach of oral contract. She owns the business trademark. Penny wants compensation. Something About Her co-owners did not honor business deal. They're excuse: "Waiting too long to file complaint" is moot. Penny retains a valid claim because business is still active. NOTE: Ariana & Katie have NEVER filed grievance over Penny's trademark ownership.
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