I just wish everything else that spawned before the clock ran out, stayed on regardless like the Hellborne and leftover normals do. So annoying when a Spire or Elite or Mass disappears
It would absolutely be a neat change if the events persisted after round end like the mobs do! I find the way it is now does serve as a subtle reminder that i need to be on top of my game though. Overall I really like hordes, much more than pit runs for sure.
Yeah, this would also make Aether Lord more viable. Let us finish 10 of them past the timer. We already penalize ourselves by going past it, so there is no need to take aether out.
That was nothing here that I haven't seen before but it always a delight to watch Raxx explain anything. Such a good teacher. "Blizzard go potty" will be my mantra from now on
Man, this helped alot! I had no clue doing my usual "meh, 2+ spire beats movement" would buff the chances of em. 700+ all 7runs now vs my old 350. Good content and guides as always, Raxx!
@@SirJWood nonsense, even at t7 desecrators one shot with chop or flaming attack. im playing rogue with tyrael GA dmg reduction affix and shroud, it still can one shot.
Raxx, you have to be my favorite gamer. If there is any content in a game that we both play that can have a guide/tier list written for it, you always come through. Add to that how clearly you explain everything... Thanks as always and keep on kicking ass.
I completely agree with your comments about the invigorating hellborne. I was really surprised that all their boons were just about rewards. In successful Rogue likes, the rewards tend to be secondary and the focus is on the ways to enhance your run. It's fine to have a reward instead of an enhancement, but it should then be a significant choice, because you could risk ruining your run if you choose the big reward. I think they've painted themselves into a bit of a corner witg it being all or nothing in terms of rewards. It's super frustrating to waste 15 minutes with no rewards at all, so there is no incentive to make choices that have an actual risk.
Was looking for this comment, sometimes it can be up to 5-6 seconds before anything spawns, really hurts a good run. Had almost all hellbourne boons in T7 run and even with 1 shottinh everything, I only had a 400 aether run. Hopefully it gets fixed 🙏
I'd love to see class specific boons/banes in the future, there is so much room for variety/fun/reward in this mode it could be one of the best and most fun roguelite modes in ARPGs imo
Your videos are consistently among the best of streamers. Great detail and yet very accessible to us less knowledgeable and skilled players. Much appreciated, rax!
There are prob people who need mvt speed to help get around and dodge faster or cancel out the slow banes (if that's a thing?), but they def should make it a more intriguing boon
@@Godric5024Yeah I sometimes pick it up as a quality of life option as a necro with not much movement options beyond dashing and blood mist. Even though my build is ranged with blood wave and blood lances, it helps with swift key positioning
This info is really good, I knew "just go hellborne" but I didn't realize that the aether fiend mods were good too. I think the 'Dog$h!7' tier needs to be split up into at least 2 tiers - every single horde I get at least 1 or 2 rounds where I'm only offered 3 of these and I never know which one to pick.
One thing I would add to this great video is if you bring up your map while doing the IH, you can see all your previously selected choices. Ran a lot of runs before I discovered that.
Here are changes I would implement if I were in charge: 1-Masses grant 5 aether. 2-Soulspires grant 10 aether. 3-Aether lords grant 25 aether. 4-Aether fiends spawn immediately. 5-Events no longer despawn when the timer ends, giving you a chance to clear them for their aether.
For me playing LS Sorc, I’ve found Invigorating Hellborn to be the absolute best by far. Faster you kill mobs, faster more mobs spawn. It essentially removes the CD from everything, giving 100% uptime of ice/fire sheild and unstable current. Making me essentially invincible with insane dps on top of it.
Outstanding Video as usual Raxx. I have a post-it some previous suggestions on it. Any chance your going to toss this into a tab on your spreadsheet or otherwise post this somewhere?
Unstoppable Elites is D tier for me because now they ignore all crowd control you dish out. You have to have a build that one shots the screen to pick this one. Nothing else in internal hordes is difficult except Desecrator.
Thanks so much for this video. The first time I used this guide I increased my aether collection by about 75% - and seemed to get lucky with Hellborne options. Could the "tier list" be posted somewhere on Maxroll. My tiny screenshot is tough!
@AtomosFr at least that's what @Raxxanterax recommends iirc. Imho only the Spires and Aether Lords are dogshit tier. The Masses are a meh option; they don't scale but at least they die quickly and from afar. Also, the Burning Rain and the 50% more events is imho worse than some of the listed 2nd tier options. Burning rain without hellborne sucks (and can actually kill you, something the tier list doesn't consider at all) and there seems to be a cap on the number of events that can spawn, thus more events can actually be bad for you because if you reach it, it prevents monsters from spawning (at least that's what my experience tells me). That's especially true if you already stacked Hellborne which causes more mob density.
Professor Raxx on his not white board educating us on how to send Blizzard to go potty. I want to see weekly paint lessons but you got to get in character a bit more. I was thinking a professor cap with tassel (of course on top of the hoodie). That way we know we're about to get schooled.
Thanks Rax. Still can't figure out how to max out crit on my lightning spear sorc. You make it sound easy to do but Reddit has plenty of folk like me who can't achieve it.
Look for Esu's that has 40% as the legendary effect. Then look at what your crit is when you dash. You want at least 85% because the Enhanced lightning spear node supplies the other 15%. It's pretty easy to max crit with a high roll Esu.
@@Radjehuty Thanks so much for that Radjehuty. Kind of you to make the effort. My best Esu's so far is 31% so I guess I need to keep grinding Beast and Varshan. At least they are going down easily now Tormented solo.
I'm going to use this list and try not to even read the text on the boons. I'll just read the title of each boon and look for these keywords : Hellborne, Elite, Hordes, Rain. Any title that doesn't have one of those keywords isn't worth considering. Thanks, Raxx!
I’m in loveee with the hordes now I was just about almost halfway with the mothers event at lvl 88 and I’m just 3/4 runs I hit 92 and maxed out the event for my first mythic!! 😂🎉
There are some classifications that I disagree with. 1. I think there should be a neutral category- some of his dogshit items aren't really dogshit because they aren't really the same as the others. If you've already gotten 2 Hellbornes and you're faced with 2 spire boons or an Aether rush. The Aether rush should be your choice every single time because it's a Neutral. I'd also keep choosing Exalted Hordes even if it didn't "really" help me if it kept me from having to choose Spires or Masses. 2. There should be a worse than Dogshit category. For instance anything with Lords completely stalls your waves. It's not that I'm worried about killing them, it's that they stall out any other events spawning which kills my aether gathering. So worse than dogshit should be IMHO- Teeming Masses, Summoned Lords, and maybe Insatiable Spires. I hate anything that is going to stall out the waves.
I know he explains about the spires and rush. But I'd put the rush in a Neutral category and I'd put the Lords in a Toxic Category- avoid at all costs.
Yeah I agree. Exalted Hordes being rated this low (Even though it is high) is sort of misleading. It makes everything you chose worth more. At some point, its value just increases at a faster rate than others. I hate spires for the same reason as Lords because I feel like whenever I choose spires, it adds weight for spires to spawn and it just slows things down.
I have had a blast picking fun ones like lords n stuff. I have a Andy rogue with perfect MW12. I just need GA tyreals and helm. Highest run was 1410 in horde.
Some boons that could be interesting are like +50% chance to freeze / stun / cc enemies, chance to auto cast ultimate skill, +20k Thorn, or summon holy light from heaven. Heck, why not let Butcher fight for us for once? The current Infernal Hordes is already great, but they definitely have room to make it crazier and more fun.
I wished that the butcher upgrade since it is supposed to be the rarest would make it so the butcher would spawn on each subsequent wave and not just the 1 wave. The council upgrades should be reward multipliers instead of a static +15 aether.
U made all the choices and decitions i've been doing, but its awesome to get a confirmation that I've been doing it correctly! Great and efficient vid!
There's an Obducite exploit in Infernal Hordes where you can revisit the chest that you put the Aether in to get the gems and Obducite after beating the boss. You turn off your pet and then go through the Hordes until the boss room opens. Make sure you DO NOT PICK UP ALL THE AETHER when going in. Having enough to open the chest to get the weapons is fine but you want to leave a bunch behind or else it won't work. After killing the boss just open the chest for your weapons and then use the leftover Aether for the Obducite. YOU WANT TO BE AT ZERO AETHER BEFORE RUNNING BACK INTO THE ROOM THAT YOU LEFT THE AETHER IN. Run back into the room AND ONLY GRAB ONE AETHER. Run back into the boss room and the chest for the Obducite will have respawned. When you deposit the one Aether you will see a flat amount of Obducite you get for that one Aether for the Torment Tier you are in. Torment 1: 40 Obducite Torment 2: 80 Obducite Torment 3: 160 Obducite Torment 4: 320 Obducite PER ONE AETHER YOU JUST RUN BACK AND FORTH TO GRAB ONE AETHER AND DEPOSIT OVER AND OVER AND YOU GET THOUSANDS DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH YOU LEFT BEHIND.
Hey Rax, what's the best way to farm gear with greater affixes? I assume tormented bosses that drop the unique you use is the best strat for those pieces. What is the next best method other than tormented bosses? Is it infernal hordes and just spend everything on the chest that drops gear?
Great list Raxx! I've been solo farming tier 7 and 8 heavily since the patch. When the RNG gives decent choices, 1000+ in tier 8 is easy to hit. In tier 7 you have 1 fewer rounds so 900 would be a high count. I have to say that given a choice between the movement speed buff and spires give +1 but drain health, IF you don't have very high movement speed on your character, pick the move speed. It helps you get between the nodes quickly. Lightning spear sorcerer gets up to 200% move pretty quickly so that option is pointless if you're playing that build. If you already have >50% move speed then I'd say pick the spires +1 if there's no masses give aether +1 option. The invigorate buff from hellborne is essentially a channeling shrine buff that lowers cooldowns and increases move speed as well. If you get a butcher spawn option early in the round, skip it unless the options given are for spires or masses. As you approach the last wave, you have to consider how many aether events are going to occur from the point where you are and weigh the value of the node. Honestly, masses +1 is better than the other trash nodes early on because you can shoot the masses down from across the map while triggering the elites to come out of their fleshy cocoons, assuming you have some form of ranged damage. The class and build you're playing plays a big role in this list though. If you are a single target DPS machine, you can do quite well with aether lords and the butcher On my druid I find I can burn the aether lords down about as fast as a fiend, and you can get the lords up to +12 per kill if you push for it early on and are lucky with RNG. If you can't kill lords very quickly, which is a big problem in T8, I agree that you should definitely avoid those options, especially early on in the run.
Because if not any single target build would be dog shi7, so a boss battle keeps the game balanced just like bosses at the end of The Pit and Nightmares back when they were actually tough.
Are the elites and the Aether Fiends the same thing? I think it's very unclear. I think of elites as the random elite mobs that spawn along the normal monsters. I think they should really clear this up and stick to a single phrase if they actually mean aether fiends.
All elites are not Aether fiends, but i think Aether fiends are elites. If that makes sense. Anything that makes 'Elite do damage', buffs Aether fiends' damage, but 'Aether fiends drop more aether' doesnt make elites drop aether.
Had bad luck with these most of the day. Getting Hellborne like on very last wave, and Elites as well only once or twice. Very crappy choices, but only did 4 runs.
Hi Raxx, very helpful thanks! I gained so much aether, I have a question : if I have an Elite run, like one or two Elite buffs already, and I have the choice between buffing Elite again or buffing Hellborne, should I all in on Elite or should I just click on Hellborn because it's broken ?
Objection! Movement speed on aether pickup buff scales with Esu's Heirloom. If youre not at max crit hit chance or movement speed cap it can increase your DPS for sorcs. I wouldn't pick it if there was a better option but because of that I'd give it at least a B tier.
If you're running lightning spear, which is like 90 percent of sorcs right now, you always have capped movement speed either way. Just a heads up for anyone that reads this.
I really like the invigorating Hellborne one. My gear for my lightning spear sorcerer still isn’t that good and this boon makes a night and day difference
Great video sadly its not in our control what we get. I had runs where i didnt get single hellbourne choice. If i dont get any of them at wave 4 i just reset and start over, its pointless to waste time as even elites and random other choices are really bad still. Example if you get 2 soulspire and 1 boss picks. Thats horrible. So its faster to reset and hope better than wasting time getting 500 or so aether in the end.
I'd say the surging elite is not god tier because not every elite is an aether fiend, and regular elites don't drop aether, so it doesn't help as much as hellborne summon choices. Other than that, it is perfect and helped me understand a few things better. Potty was good btw 😂
First of all, thank you for your explanation, this helps me a lot. I just don't understand one thing, maybe it's just me, but I get almost all waves of Dogsh!t tier that I can choose from, so every time I want to choose they are all three tier dogsh!t. Am I doing something wrong or not because I have never had more than 500 eather in 50 runs or so ;-(
idiotic comment dude. nothing about this video is mandatory for you, whereas meetings that could have been emails infer a mandatory nature. In fact, it's the opposite: some people will look up tier lists on a website, others use videos like this, and others can't be bothered.
Hey Raxx, following as much of your advise I can, but tell me why playing with mates and doing Uber bosses why the other are get 4 times the purples drop than what I get??? RNG fair enough, but damn I feel like I must have run over blizzards pet cat or something lol
I have done well over 100 of these events at t7 and have never seen the hellborne spawn with hellfire. Blizzard also needs to readjust the weighting. I have purposely been taking hellfire as early as possible, but have yet to see it.
invigorating hellborne is god tier. its like equiping 2 shakos. If you have a build like lightning spear where the skill seeks out and autoattacks, then you generate so many event spawns. Aether rush on characters with Esu's Heirloom is good as it gives you more damage. Killing smaller creeps faster = more aether events spawning.
This why I appreciate Raxx, always going the extra mile by incorporating sign language for all his audience.
I looked at the video right when you said that and started laughing cause he was in the middle of it
"If you dont remeber anything from the video, just tell Blizzard to go potie" - Raxx, 2024
Potty*
i mean they are so full of shit, that's why need to tell Blizzard to go potty.. well... it make sense... 🤣
I just wish everything else that spawned before the clock ran out, stayed on regardless like the Hellborne and leftover normals do. So annoying when a Spire or Elite or Mass disappears
It would absolutely be a neat change if the events persisted after round end like the mobs do! I find the way it is now does serve as a subtle reminder that i need to be on top of my game though. Overall I really like hordes, much more than pit runs for sure.
Timer aspect is always lame.
Exactly. Spire is already garbage, disappearing when times up makes it infuriating garbage.
Yeah, this would also make Aether Lord more viable. Let us finish 10 of them past the timer. We already penalize ourselves by going past it, so there is no need to take aether out.
Only issue I see with that being an option is the timer runs out, the spire lasts, waiting to be filled and no mor enemies spawn, bricking your run.
That was nothing here that I haven't seen before but it always a delight to watch Raxx explain anything. Such a good teacher. "Blizzard go potty" will be my mantra from now on
Man, this helped alot! I had no clue doing my usual "meh, 2+ spire beats movement" would buff the chances of em. 700+ all 7runs now vs my old 350. Good content and guides as always, Raxx!
You know it’s going to be good when rax breaks out paint
Desecrator one shots is not a fun mechanic.
...from off screen with no visual graphic.
Yeah. Its so stupid these one shot mechanics.
30k+ life, shield, and capped DR, Armor, and resistances. No issues even T8.
@@sethsevaroth lol exactly. People with shit build dying.
@@SirJWood nonsense, even at t7 desecrators one shot with chop or flaming attack. im playing rogue with tyrael GA dmg reduction affix and shroud, it still can one shot.
I ran a few 1000+ Aether infernals with this infernal priority tier list. I can vouch it is hella good. Thanks Raxx for taking care of the crew! :)
Raxx, you have to be my favorite gamer. If there is any content in a game that we both play that can have a guide/tier list written for it, you always come through. Add to that how clearly you explain everything...
Thanks as always and keep on kicking ass.
I completely agree with your comments about the invigorating hellborne. I was really surprised that all their boons were just about rewards.
In successful Rogue likes, the rewards tend to be secondary and the focus is on the ways to enhance your run. It's fine to have a reward instead of an enhancement, but it should then be a significant choice, because you could risk ruining your run if you choose the big reward.
I think they've painted themselves into a bit of a corner witg it being all or nothing in terms of rewards. It's super frustrating to waste 15 minutes with no rewards at all, so there is no incentive to make choices that have an actual risk.
Great video again brother! There is also some odd thing that there is a slow spawn for several seconds at times and that is also annoying.
I have experienced this. I do not enjoy said experience.
@@ronniemiller633 It's so frustrating at times, but with King Rax we'll get this fixed
Was looking for this comment, sometimes it can be up to 5-6 seconds before anything spawns, really hurts a good run. Had almost all hellbourne boons in T7 run and even with 1 shottinh everything, I only had a 400 aether run. Hopefully it gets fixed 🙏
@@Inarius666 I couldn't agree more my friend!
You are always stating analysis very clearly, and your calm manner of explaining things is pleasant to listen to. Thank you
I'd love to see class specific boons/banes in the future, there is so much room for variety/fun/reward in this mode it could be one of the best and most fun roguelite modes in ARPGs imo
Your videos are consistently among the best of streamers. Great detail and yet very accessible to us less knowledgeable and skilled players. Much appreciated, rax!
Makes sense! I wonder who sits down and say let's add movement speed at the round table at meetings. "Like yea Todd that's great idea" 🤣
Todd Howard? Wrong company but same mantra
or that bonus "while you're slowed" thing, the moment you use an "unstoppable" spell it's gone.
Why bother at all?
I actually thought wrongly that it was buffing my Esu's boots and in turn buffing my kill time.
There are prob people who need mvt speed to help get around and dodge faster or cancel out the slow banes (if that's a thing?), but they def should make it a more intriguing boon
@@Godric5024Yeah I sometimes pick it up as a quality of life option as a necro with not much movement options beyond dashing and blood mist. Even though my build is ranged with blood wave and blood lances, it helps with swift key positioning
This is GOOD!!! Thank you! Confirms some things I was thinking but you are FAR more experienced than I am with it.
That should be on your "Cheat Sheet" that we use , it's so helpfull that you did all that for us. Thanks again !!
Thank you, I have been meaning to find information on this. Now to go try it.
This info is really good, I knew "just go hellborne" but I didn't realize that the aether fiend mods were good too.
I think the 'Dog$h!7' tier needs to be split up into at least 2 tiers - every single horde I get at least 1 or 2 rounds where I'm only offered 3 of these and I never know which one to pick.
Super helpful video! Thanks so much -- I can't wait to test this later and get my efficiency up! Appreciate the breakdown 🎉
Raxx talks to me like I'm a dog or a small child. And I appreciate that.
One thing I would add to this great video is if you bring up your map while doing the IH, you can see all your previously selected choices. Ran a lot of runs before I discovered that.
Here are changes I would implement if I were in charge:
1-Masses grant 5 aether. 2-Soulspires grant 10 aether. 3-Aether lords grant 25 aether. 4-Aether fiends spawn immediately. 5-Events no longer despawn when the timer ends, giving you a chance to clear them for their aether.
I love when Raxx does Paint
thanks rax. was looking for one after patch.
I just set a new personal best run using this tier list and I know I can still go much higher with better option RNG. Thanks for the info.
Nice video Raxx.. Very helpful!
9:38 I feel like it says something about our expectations for tier lists when something is A tier but it is still considered “really bad” 🤣🤣🤣
Finally! I needed this. Thx Raxx
For me playing LS Sorc, I’ve found Invigorating Hellborn to be the absolute best by far. Faster you kill mobs, faster more mobs spawn. It essentially removes the CD from everything, giving 100% uptime of ice/fire sheild and unstable current. Making me essentially invincible with insane dps on top of it.
I'm not a min maxer, so the movement one really helps me clear it faster
Telling Blizzard 'to go potty,' love the analogy and so friggin true. Appreciate all your videos Raxx!
Outstanding Video as usual Raxx. I have a post-it some previous suggestions on it. Any chance your going to toss this into a tab on your spreadsheet or otherwise post this somewhere?
Another informative video! Are you gonna add this to the D4 magic sheet of everything?
They need to patch “aiming at the totem”
Unstoppable Elites is D tier for me because now they ignore all crowd control you dish out. You have to have a build that one shots the screen to pick this one. Nothing else in internal hordes is difficult except Desecrator.
Great content as always
Waiting for this list!!! Ty
This is great! Can you put the list on Maxroll so we can see the options and your rankings?
I have been waiting for this!
Blizzard go pottie, blizzard go pottie- Pottie ie Hellborne. I will remember that
Thanks so much for this video. The first time I used this guide I increased my aether collection by about 75% - and seemed to get lucky with Hellborne options. Could the "tier list" be posted somewhere on Maxroll. My tiny screenshot is tough!
If you always take self buffs over the dogshit events, that logically elevates them above dogshit tier.
Yep, I think so too. Raxx should’ve kept that extra tier for meh choices.
Interesting. So it would be better to take movement speed buff instead of something with masses ?
@@AtomosFr Yes he explicitly says that in the video
@AtomosFr at least that's what @Raxxanterax recommends iirc.
Imho only the Spires and Aether Lords are dogshit tier. The Masses are a meh option; they don't scale but at least they die quickly and from afar.
Also, the Burning Rain and the 50% more events is imho worse than some of the listed 2nd tier options. Burning rain without hellborne sucks (and can actually kill you, something the tier list doesn't consider at all) and there seems to be a cap on the number of events that can spawn, thus more events can actually be bad for you because if you reach it, it prevents monsters from spawning (at least that's what my experience tells me). That's especially true if you already stacked Hellborne which causes more mob density.
I think The Bursting Masses combined with Exalted Hordes is very good because it will spawn events way faster at the start of the round
Professor Raxx on his not white board educating us on how to send Blizzard to go potty.
I want to see weekly paint lessons but you got to get in character a bit more. I was thinking a professor cap with tassel (of course on top of the hoodie). That way we know we're about to get schooled.
Thanks Rax.
Still can't figure out how to max out crit on my lightning spear sorc. You make it sound easy to do but Reddit has plenty of folk like me who can't achieve it.
Look for Esu's that has 40% as the legendary effect. Then look at what your crit is when you dash. You want at least 85% because the Enhanced lightning spear node supplies the other 15%. It's pretty easy to max crit with a high roll Esu.
@@Radjehuty Thanks so much for that Radjehuty. Kind of you to make the effort. My best Esu's so far is 31% so I guess I need to keep grinding Beast and Varshan. At least they are going down easily now Tormented solo.
I'm going to use this list and try not to even read the text on the boons. I'll just read the title of each boon and look for these keywords : Hellborne, Elite, Hordes, Rain. Any title that doesn't have one of those keywords isn't worth considering. Thanks, Raxx!
I just took a screenshot of it thanks Raxx
When Raxx shakes from side-to-side like at 8:07 ish, I feel really persuaded.
I’m in loveee with the hordes now I was just about almost halfway with the mothers event at lvl 88 and I’m just 3/4 runs I hit 92 and maxed out the event for my first mythic!! 😂🎉
There are some classifications that I disagree with.
1. I think there should be a neutral category- some of his dogshit items aren't really dogshit because they aren't really the same as the others. If you've already gotten 2 Hellbornes and you're faced with 2 spire boons or an Aether rush. The Aether rush should be your choice every single time because it's a Neutral. I'd also keep choosing Exalted Hordes even if it didn't "really" help me if it kept me from having to choose Spires or Masses.
2. There should be a worse than Dogshit category. For instance anything with Lords completely stalls your waves. It's not that I'm worried about killing them, it's that they stall out any other events spawning which kills my aether gathering. So worse than dogshit should be IMHO- Teeming Masses, Summoned Lords, and maybe Insatiable Spires. I hate anything that is going to stall out the waves.
I know he explains about the spires and rush. But I'd put the rush in a Neutral category and I'd put the Lords in a Toxic Category- avoid at all costs.
Yeah I agree. Exalted Hordes being rated this low (Even though it is high) is sort of misleading. It makes everything you chose worth more. At some point, its value just increases at a faster rate than others. I hate spires for the same reason as Lords because I feel like whenever I choose spires, it adds weight for spires to spawn and it just slows things down.
I wish the they would just remove the mob spawn halt when Aether Lord is alive. I would love Aether Lord to spawn if mobs were spawning like normal.
I have had a blast picking fun ones like lords n stuff. I have a Andy rogue with perfect MW12. I just need GA tyreals and helm. Highest run was 1410 in horde.
Some boons that could be interesting are like +50% chance to freeze / stun / cc enemies, chance to auto cast ultimate skill, +20k Thorn, or summon holy light from heaven.
Heck, why not let Butcher fight for us for once?
The current Infernal Hordes is already great, but they definitely have room to make it crazier and more fun.
I wished that the butcher upgrade since it is supposed to be the rarest would make it so the butcher would spawn on each subsequent wave and not just the 1 wave. The council upgrades should be reward multipliers instead of a static +15 aether.
U made all the choices and decitions i've been doing, but its awesome to get a confirmation that I've been doing it correctly! Great and efficient vid!
God masterclass. Raxx is always the best.
There's an Obducite exploit in Infernal Hordes where you can revisit the chest that you put the Aether in to get the gems and Obducite after beating the boss.
You turn off your pet and then go through the Hordes until the boss room opens. Make sure you DO NOT PICK UP ALL THE AETHER when going in. Having enough to open the chest to get the weapons is fine but you want to leave a bunch behind or else it won't work.
After killing the boss just open the chest for your weapons and then use the leftover Aether for the Obducite. YOU WANT TO BE AT ZERO AETHER BEFORE RUNNING BACK INTO THE ROOM THAT YOU LEFT THE AETHER IN.
Run back into the room AND ONLY GRAB ONE AETHER. Run back into the boss room and the chest for the Obducite will have respawned. When you deposit the one Aether you will see a flat amount of Obducite you get for that one Aether for the Torment Tier you are in.
Torment 1: 40 Obducite
Torment 2: 80 Obducite
Torment 3: 160 Obducite
Torment 4: 320 Obducite PER ONE AETHER
YOU JUST RUN BACK AND FORTH TO GRAB ONE AETHER AND DEPOSIT OVER AND OVER AND YOU GET THOUSANDS DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH YOU LEFT BEHIND.
Hey Rax, what's the best way to farm gear with greater affixes? I assume tormented bosses that drop the unique you use is the best strat for those pieces. What is the next best method other than tormented bosses? Is it infernal hordes and just spend everything on the chest that drops gear?
the dog in the corner like bruh we goin or nah
This was the funniest of your videos ever Raxx ... "Tell Blizzard to go Potty!"
Great list Raxx! I've been solo farming tier 7 and 8 heavily since the patch. When the RNG gives decent choices, 1000+ in tier 8 is easy to hit. In tier 7 you have 1 fewer rounds so 900 would be a high count. I have to say that given a choice between the movement speed buff and spires give +1 but drain health, IF you don't have very high movement speed on your character, pick the move speed. It helps you get between the nodes quickly. Lightning spear sorcerer gets up to 200% move pretty quickly so that option is pointless if you're playing that build.
If you already have >50% move speed then I'd say pick the spires +1 if there's no masses give aether +1 option. The invigorate buff from hellborne is essentially a channeling shrine buff that lowers cooldowns and increases move speed as well. If you get a butcher spawn option early in the round, skip it unless the options given are for spires or masses. As you approach the last wave, you have to consider how many aether events are going to occur from the point where you are and weigh the value of the node. Honestly, masses +1 is better than the other trash nodes early on because you can shoot the masses down from across the map while triggering the elites to come out of their fleshy cocoons, assuming you have some form of ranged damage. The class and build you're playing plays a big role in this list though. If you are a single target DPS machine, you can do quite well with aether lords and the butcher
On my druid I find I can burn the aether lords down about as fast as a fiend, and you can get the lords up to +12 per kill if you push for it early on and are lucky with RNG. If you can't kill lords very quickly, which is a big problem in T8, I agree that you should definitely avoid those options, especially early on in the run.
That Council battle is sooooo tedious. Why is it needed?
The teleporting cuck of hellfire is the worst one. The ones that charge at you or stay in the middle are OK.
Amen. The waves take long enough as is, why add a boss fight with 3 cunts that have a quadrillion HP and constantly move around / teleport.
it’s pretty annoying. Easy fights but they have ridiculous amount of hp so takes too long to kill them.
Because if not any single target build would be dog shi7, so a boss battle keeps the game balanced just like bosses at the end of The Pit and Nightmares back when they were actually tough.
@@The0nlyy they aren’t even hard in the slightest though. Just sponges.
Thanks Raxx
Raxx, I need a tier list just of the dogsh1t tier. What do I do if I get 3 of the dogsh1t choices? Like 2 spires and 1 mass, for example.
you always helper thx a lot
I just hate the runs that have spiral, mass, spiral 2x for two rounds. Might as well restart.
Are the elites and the Aether Fiends the same thing? I think it's very unclear. I think of elites as the random elite mobs that spawn along the normal monsters.
I think they should really clear this up and stick to a single phrase if they actually mean aether fiends.
All elites are not Aether fiends, but i think Aether fiends are elites. If that makes sense.
Anything that makes 'Elite do damage', buffs Aether fiends' damage, but 'Aether fiends drop more aether' doesnt make elites drop aether.
Not all elites are aether fiends, but all aether fiends are elites.
My sentiments exactly!
good vid thx for the info
Had bad luck with these most of the day. Getting Hellborne like on very last wave, and Elites as well only once or twice. Very crappy choices, but only did 4 runs.
Hi Raxx, very helpful thanks! I gained so much aether, I have a question : if I have an Elite run, like one or two Elite buffs already, and I have the choice between buffing Elite again or buffing Hellborne, should I all in on Elite or should I just click on Hellborn because it's broken ?
I play on ps5 and 40% of IH bug out and dont advance the rounds, driving me insane.
Objection!
Movement speed on aether pickup buff scales with Esu's Heirloom.
If youre not at max crit hit chance or movement speed cap it can increase your DPS for sorcs. I wouldn't pick it if there was a better option but because of that I'd give it at least a B tier.
If you're running lightning spear, which is like 90 percent of sorcs right now, you always have capped movement speed either way. Just a heads up for anyone that reads this.
agreed conjuration mastery already pumps ur movespeed
That's EXACTLY how I run mine. 👍
I really like the invigorating Hellborne one. My gear for my lightning spear sorcerer still isn’t that good and this boon makes a night and day difference
Great video sadly its not in our control what we get. I had runs where i didnt get single hellbourne choice. If i dont get any of them at wave 4 i just reset and start over, its pointless to waste time as even elites and random other choices are really bad still. Example if you get 2 soulspire and 1 boss picks. Thats horrible.
So its faster to reset and hope better than wasting time getting 500 or so aether in the end.
Please add this as a tier list on Maxroll. Thank you.
I'd say the surging elite is not god tier because not every elite is an aether fiend, and regular elites don't drop aether, so it doesn't help as much as hellborne summon choices. Other than that, it is perfect and helped me understand a few things better.
Potty was good btw 😂
First of all, thank you for your explanation, this helps me a lot. I just don't understand one thing, maybe it's just me, but I get almost all waves of Dogsh!t tier that I can choose from, so every time I want to choose they are all three tier dogsh!t. Am I doing something wrong or not because I have never had more than 500 eather in 50 runs or so ;-(
Been waiting for that :)
This guy is the definition of "this meeting could have been an email"
idiotic comment dude. nothing about this video is mandatory for you, whereas meetings that could have been emails infer a mandatory nature. In fact, it's the opposite: some people will look up tier lists on a website, others use videos like this, and others can't be bothered.
Spires and fiends spawn way more than anything else even if you don’t pick those events at all. It’s pretty annoying at this point
My only problem with fiend is the spawning animation. If they shorten the animation to 0.5 seconds, I’m okay with it.
Spire is absolute trash.
Hopefully they will fix the couch co-op bug in infernal hordes where the "kill all enemies" thing persist even if all mobs are dead -.-
Rax, bro you’re hilarious 😂. Thanks for the vid brotha💯
Love the "gotta tell Blizzard to go potty" 😀
Best is when your random takes exalted council 5 times in one run and everyone proceeds to get one tapped at the end
Do you have any videos showing your aether returns? Im pulling 750-1100 steady with my rubric it is very similar
Aren't Aether Fiends the ones that burst out of a blood bubble when you get close to them? Don't they count as an event, thus competing with Hellborn?
Hey Raxx, following as much of your advise I can, but tell me why playing with mates and doing Uber bosses why the other are get 4 times the purples drop than what I get??? RNG fair enough, but damn I feel like I must have run over blizzards pet cat or something lol
This is what we needed
Hey, in the super unfortunate circumstance that I'm left with only options among masses, lord, and spires, where do you rank the three of those?
I dont think I have ever seen 2 hellborn options at the same time to choose from.
Is there a link to the horde events list?
I have done well over 100 of these events at t7 and have never seen the hellborne spawn with hellfire. Blizzard also needs to readjust the weighting. I have purposely been taking hellfire as early as possible, but have yet to see it.
Wierd, it's the main way I start getting Hellborn
The lower tier options need more juice / balance. Lords ain’t werf.
Nice list. I think elites should be A tier and hellborne S, and anything that tells Blizzard to go potty B tier or C
invigorating hellborne is god tier. its like equiping 2 shakos. If you have a build like lightning spear where the skill seeks out and autoattacks, then you generate so many event spawns. Aether rush on characters with Esu's Heirloom is good as it gives you more damage. Killing smaller creeps faster = more aether events spawning.
You know its the real deal when you open up paint.
I seem to get mostly runs with almost no good options presented to me
Lord are good for mother currency. But that s an edge use (farming spark for solo player)