Sidney Moncrief: Was He The Most Underrated Player Ever?
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Sidney Moncrief is, in my opinion, the biggest Hall of Fame snub ever. It's been over 20 years since he's been eligible to make the hall, but he still hasn't. In his prime, he was one of the most complete guards in NBA history. He could post-up, shoot, pass, scored 20+ points a game, and was also the best defender in the league for a few years.
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Sidney Moncrief is 100% a Hall of Famer along with Dwight Howard. Both defensive monsters
Not sure about drose thoght. Yeah, he won mvp but he only had like 3 good years in his resume and he also hasn't won anything yet. Maybe if he can snuck some 6 man of the years, or one championship in next few years, he will be able to make it
L.lawliet Let's not forget Bill Walton is in the HOF despite having a very few good years.
80 on my wrist
Sime Petrusevski d ro
Well damn ...the nba could put Yao Ming in the HOF but not this dude lol.
Moncrief was the 80's version of Kawhi Leonard.
Marquis de Suave the guard version
Moncrief without comparing him to any player today was outstanding on both ends of the floor literally you had to be there
Kawhi is in conversation for best player in the world. Not even close.
zerogeass21 gotta respect the OG don't forget he won dpoty two times as a SG
@@clydetheglidetop5sgtop10du7 absolutely to win 2 of them when 90% of others are big men thats a huge accomplishment
He's still the all time career rebounding leader at the University of Arkansas at 6'4" despite 6'9" Oliver Miller and 6'8" Derek Hood being bigger guys that pretty much were starters for all 4 years.
Glad someone finally made a video on moncreif, he's so underrated
AJ Wright Legend of Winning gave him a place in his most underrated players in NBA history video
I remember someone once saying that if Pippen hadn't been drafted by the Bulls, he'd be remembered in the same light as Sidney Moncrief. That's the first time I ever heard the guys name.
And I think the guy had a point. Moncrief was a defensive monster and all around player who could score, pass, and rebound. I'm glad he's in the HoF now. He deserved to get in a long time ago.
5 strong seasons. If he had more he'd been in long ago.
I swear Mongrief has been on so many forgotten lists that he's now one of the most talked about stars from the 80's
If TMac is in the HoF, there's no reason that SIr Sid shouldn't be
Sidney is in the HOF now. Walter Davis 1978 NBA rookie of the year and 6x all star and member of the 1976 USA Olympic gold medal should also be in the HOF.
I completely agree. One other guard who was on Moncrief's level on defense was Alvin Robertson.
MJ?
Robertson was surreal. He used to put huge swathes of tape around his wrist so that the refs could see his hands better. Otherwise he'd get called for steals that were otherwise legit. Interestingly, Jordan named both Sidney and Robertson as two of the five best defensive players he ever went up against. Sidney had leadership qualities that Robertson lacked. To be blunt about it, Alvin, despite being a great athlete, is a bit of a thug and a jerk off the court.
Mookie Blaylock comes to mind as well
rodman?
@@blak1351 he said “guard”, not “forward”.
If Korzemba was making this video: "Sydney Moncrief WAS NOT HUMAN!"
i stop watching him too much screaming and he pastes his sentences together to form never ending run on sentences
He sucks
Haha
His what if videos were decent, but then he got lazy, n thw lonzo ball video ruined him
@@TheBigeazy222 sidney moncrief is not trash
Great video!! Sid was not only an obvious hall of fame player but also a great PERSON. With a little luck, (they had NO luck) they could have easily won at least one NBA title, they never did manage to replace all star forward Dave Meyers who quit basketball in the prime of his career. If he had not quit, I think the Bucks would have gotten to the finals a few times. Sidney was such a great player & was the soul of a great team with many great players. Marques Johnson, Junior Bridgeman & Brian Winters should also be considered for the hall. Congrats Sidney for FINALLY being recognized. Its about time!!!
We need an Alex English video
You know legend of winning and sdc. And Andy already made an Alex English video
💯
And Adrian dantley
And George Gervin..
Matthew Mullen dantley was an inefficient chucker, that’s why the pistons traded him
I absolutly agree. Moncrief is one of the most underrated players and deserves a hof spot. this guy is my favorite player since forever now :)
Moncrief was phenomenal! That said, he was far from all the bucks had in the mid 80's. They also had prime Terry Cummings, Paul Pressey, Craig Hodges, plus Ricky Pierce off the bench in 86, all of whom averaged double figures with Pressey putting up 14-15 a game and Cummings almost 20, after averaging over 20 the year prior. They were a pretty damn good team from 84 to 86, and even after Sidney got injured in the late 80's, they were still a consistent playoff team with them adding Sikma down low in the late 80's.
Glad he got in this year Mo Cheeks Doc were my idols but the year the Sixers won it all (my fav all time team) I wore Sid's number 4 that year and not Mo's 10. He was all energy I think I still have that SI with him at Arkansas copcking it back about to tear the rim down. Salute to Sid Marcus J Paul P Jr. Bridgeman Big Bob Lanier Alton Lister Brian Winters Ernie Grunfeld. They had a hard time with Philly and Boston altho the swept Boston right out of the playoffs first round in 1983...
Maurice Cheeks, he was tough. Pistons were contenders too.
Those Bucks teams as a whole are overlooked. Moncrief especially deserves way more credit than he gets.
Before the Greek Freak, Sidney Moncrief was the man in Milwaukee.
I also remember those Bucks teams in the 1980s. They made the playoffs every year in that decade.
Unfortunately, they ran into the 76ers, Celtics and the Pistons who hogged up most of the NBA Finals appearances and titles from the East in the 1980s.
He’s in the hall of fame now, class of 2019
Finally in the HoF! 🙌🏾
Those damn 76ers and Celtics were always in the way of the Bucks (usually in the ECFs) in the playoffs during the '80s. Should've won at least won an NBA title during that decade. Great defensive team.
They did win one back in 1971, but with completely different players.
They definitely would have won in 1983 had Moses Malone not jumped ship to the Sixers. They swept the Celtics in the playoffs and were the only team to take a game off the Sixers. They turned fo fo fo into fo fi fo.
Look what they got in trade for Kareem, they were loaded.
Next year's HOF Class should be Sidney Moncrief, Chris Webber, and Ben Wallace.
It is
Arguably the best perimeter defender of all time. So underrated. Thank you so much for this video
One of the best Milwaukee Bucks in NBA history
Bob the Tomato 3rd best
I'd say 4th greatest bucks player that's played 3+ years
@@t.jbreaks5771 bro it’s been 3 years since I commented that what you doing here now 💀
@@rydercartago1637 people can actually watch videos at different times than you even months or years down the line, and they can still comment. Crazy concept I know, it’s only been a thing a RUclips for over a decade
Sidney, Ben Wallace, and C-Webb biggest snubs. Good Video as always.
Don't forget about Elton Brand.... it's the Basketball Hall Of Fame, not the NBA HOF. From 2000-07, He was a 20 & 10 guy, his stretch with the Clippers was scary good (During those 7 years, he led the league in offensive boards twice) & had he played in the EC in his prime, he'd be better remembered. He also has longevity going for him (played till he was 36) plus he played for USA at the FIBA Americas (Winning Gold twice) & the FIBA WC (Winning Bronze).
Brand is often forgotten as a Top 5 PF of his era (Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, Webber & Brand are my 5 guys.... Stoudamire & Bosh are close though.) & should make the HOF IMO.
Stat was better than Brand at his peak, but Brand had more longevity, which is what I value more, not to mention Brand was a better shot blocker, averaging over 2 blocks a game during his time in LA (Something neither Bosh or Stat ever did). Bosh was also good & I love him to death (I'm actually a Raptors fan & I'll vouch for my Raps any day of the week), but an area Brand has both guys beat is rebounding. Brand had 5 years as a top 10 rebound guy, Bosh had 2 & Amare had 1. Brand was also the only one of these 3 guys to finish in the top 10 for offensive boards in a season, with *9* of them. People love talking about great rebounders, but Brand never gets brought up in that discussion. Brand had more years in which he was top 10 for offensive boards than Tim Duncan (who had 6) & KG (who had 4). If I needed to send a PF out there for a putback in that era, I'm taking Elton.
Um..... are your forgetting who Stat played with? Steve Nash was arguably one the best PG's we've ever seen save for his defense, and that helped Stat out more anything..... we saw what Stat did without Nash in New York those 1st few years when he wasn't banged up & he was good, but Brand never had that great PG to play off of. You're overrating Stat tremendously.
Okay: That 2011 year is something I'll agree with. New York probably regrets that trade horribly..... had Stat stayed healthy & Gallo grown into the player he's become (a fringe level all star when he's at the top of the game, if you ask me), who knows what the Knicks would've done?
He's on my all time Bucks starting team🏀
Another great video. People truly forget how special he was. And Terry Cummings they were both great players
It’s ridiculous that he’s not in the HOF
Jack Sikma?
You can make a great case for him being in the Hall of Fame. 17500 points, 10000 rebounds, at least 6 all star games and was the starter on a championship team.
I don't think you could have made the case 10 years ago but ever since Ralph Sampson got enshrined it left the flood gates open for borderline cases like Sikma.
Good news, Jack got in the HOF this year
Sidney belongs in Hall of Fame. Lil Mo finally went in...now put in Moncrief.
This video literally sums up every though I have had on Moncrief and those Bucks teams from the 80s
After watching this video, I feel like I would be a bucks fan if I were born 30 years earlier
Moncrief should have been in by now.
I remember Moncrief. They would make the playoffs every year. Moncrief was both a great scorer and great on defense. He was amazing! He should be in the Hall of Fame. He was a good outside shooter and could dunk! Back then that was not that common!
Yes thanks for this i requested it a long time ago so thanks for this appreciate it
NBA Know It All yep
You may be right!!! Can't believe he's not in the Hall. Watched his whole career from New York, and always wished he played for MY team. He could do it all. And best defensive guard EVER.
UPDATE ALERT!! He is in the Hall Of Fame
What other players have waited way too long to get into the hall?
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Andy can u make a vid about tyreke Evans This year,no one is talkin bout him
Andy Hoops Chris Webber, George McGinnis, and maybe KJ. Moncrief should be above them all though.
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Andy Hoops do a video about luka doncic
Great video
This dude was one of my favorite players in NBA history! He’s definitely a underrated player and I believe he should be in the NBA Hall of Fame! Amazed he has not been inducted yet but hopefully he will get his due and be inducted because he deserves to be there…
Sir Sid is in now!!! Fear the deer
Great video, you said alot of truth but also alot of head scratching comments as well ah ha, but Sid was fun to watch and never gave up, he was the glue of that Bucks team , I liked Marquez Johnson also, and got to see Doc's last game in Milwaukee, one (earlier year) of the 6er vs. Bucks games I seen at the Mecca , Milwaukee won in Double Overtime! I thought the Mecca Coming Down! as the big steel rafters and beams resonated and vibrated from the Load Crowd! It was Awesome!
And it was announced today he will make the hall of fame! Lets goo
Kawhi leonard in the 80’s
True my boy won the first two defensive players of the year
Not anymore! CONGRATS TO EL SID FOR MAKING THE HOF!
He’s getting in this year!
He played in an 80's era where future hall of famers clashed for this decade where it included bird's celtics, magic's lakers, the bad boy pistons, dr j's sixers and a young jordan's bulls.
Moncrief, Hornacek, Alvin Robertson, Andrew Tony... Some forgotten ballers!
if mcgrady is a HOF moncrief should be too
yes he is & bless you for making this video, this dude is still a legend in Arkansas
He's so overlooked, no one seemed to post that he made it to the HOF in the comments section either (2019)... :(
MECCA! Love that place, saw a few concerts there, still around yet the Bradley center will be gone
Had no idea who this guy was. But I was just in an orthopedic surgeons office up in Vail Colorado and it looks like they worked on him and he signed a picture for them! I had to go to RUclips and find some vid on him. Thanks for putting this up.
When will you make one about Oscar Robertson? Kareen said he was the best player he ever played, even playing with Magic later in his career. Please make one for Oscar Robertson!
He should be in the Hall, no question, but he doesn't have those big moments like the truly great ones had. He never could get over the hump and if he was their 'best player', that blame falls heavily on him.
Moncrief did a double leg to Danny Ainge.
It was spectacular
And I’m a ☘️ Fan
still impressed with your Jokic video. that dude reminds me of Arvydas Sabonis. can you please do a: what if Arvydas Sabonis start with the Blazers during the year he got drafted? I'm a fan of finesse players like him and Drexler. can only imagine them playing together.
Y does Sydney moncreif sound like a hockey player
Comeup Sed Sidney Crosby is a famous hockey player
IKR
Couch Report oh rlly?
Do a Tom Chambers, Rik Smits & Detlef Schrempf vid! Thanks, Man! Love your content!
Jerry West wanted Moncrief.. Dr. Buss said No! The pick was Magic and the rest was history.
People look at the 80s and think "the Lakers and Celtics dominated, they had no real competition"... but that's just a testament to how stacked/great the Lakers/Celtics were. They played against some really good teams, such as the Bucks, that don't get the credit they deserve because they were overshadowed. But make no mistake about it, there were a lot of great teams in the 80s.
A Don Nelson coached team known for their defense 😄
one of the most underrated players ever
I requested this I think as well. Thanks. ANDY LATER ON DO A LARRY FOUST OR JACK SIKMA THEY ARE ALSO HUGE SNUBS
From what I've seen and heard, Sidney was kind of like a smaller Kawhi when he was in his prime (even tho Kawhi is a forward).
Love Sidney, but best all around guard by his time? You simply don't know enough about Oscar Robertson and Jerry West. Robertson might still be the best all around player of all time. Absolutely no holes in his game. West frequently tallied more than ten steals in a game and possessed the best pull up jump shot of all time. In fact, the Lakers would run a play where they would put four players on one side of the court, give the ball to West, and simply let him shake and bake until he felt comfortable in pulling up for the jumper. And he was absolutely unstoppable when he would do this. West was so good as either a point guard or shooting guard that he could do wither and be devastating, to this day the best guard ever at being able to assume either role. Sidney was awesome, but as great as he was he wasn't in West's class stealing the ball and lacked West's killer jump shot. Neither could he run an offense the way that West could. The ONLY way you would say Sidney was the best all around player by that point is to not know enough about West's and Robertson's games. Also, keep in mind that in the Sixties they didn't keep many of the stats that they do today. West might have had several several quadruple doubles, getting doubles in points, rebounds, assists, and steals. Keep in mind that I say this as a gigantically biased Arkansas Razorback fan. But there were only a few things that Sidney did better than West, such as rebound and score inside. West was a better passer, ball handler, ball hawk, shooter at all ranges (except dunking). They were about the same as a shot blocker (West had absurdly long arms which combined with his quickness allowed him to block more shots than people who never saw him would guess).
Still, I'm ecstatic that Sidney finally made the Hall. He was just unreal during that 4 or 5 year period before his knees finally gave out. And the game where he guarded Larry Bird for the second half of the Arkansas/Indiana State game in the NCAA playoffs was one of the all time best NCAA performances. If not for an atrocious call by the ref, who called traveling on U.S. Reed when he not only didn't travel but was fouled, Arkansas would and should have won the game on one of the best all round play off games ever. Bird was unstoppable in the first half, but in the second they put Sidney on him and he shut Bird down completely. They had already named Bird the player of the game, but in the last couple of minutes they changed it, naming co-players of the game. This was at a time when you only had one player of the game, so for Sidney to be co-player was unreal.
And his Sports Illustrated cover titled "High on the Hogs" is to this day one of the half dozen best covers of all time. I have the copy I bought in downtown New Haven, CT hanging on my wall right now.
He was a first rate player on both ends of the court. The reason he wasn't in the hall for a long time was because he played in a small market, doesn't have a ring, and doesn't have the longevity because of his injuries. I still think he had a long enough run to get in.
He was basically like Joe Dumars with maybe even a little more offense.
But unfortunately he played against those classic Celtics teams with prime Bird/McHale/Parish and 76ers teams with Dr J and Moses.
He definitely deserved a trip to the hall and I'm glad he finally got in a couple of years ago. Maybe a few people saw this vid. Lol.
If somebody is the only player in NBA history to reach an elite level of basketball greatness, such as the only guard to win 2 DPOY awards , , , then they deserve to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame.
I love using him in 2K!
Without a doubt he's the best player who's eligible and not in the HOF
Shawn Kemp he had help doe that team was talented asf and had one of the best defensive pgs evrr with gary payton
Shawn Kemp payton was great sinve like 92 he literally had arguably his best season in 96 payton did just as well while also play better defense than kemp they had a good coach nate macmillan sam perkins kemp payton schempf and george karl who is a great coach as their roster that team was clearly talented
Shawn Kemp he was an allstar since 93 i identify myself as a pf playing basketball but that has nothing to do with the argument pgs can score either way and defense and pass and payton even post up bc he was a bigger size than most average pgs and no nate wouldnt help like rhat when he wasnt nowhere near good as offemsivly as payton plus theres also wilt chamberlin who is a better athlete than kemp and jordan arguably as well
Shawn Kemp and no wilt bird even lebron as well all can defend rebound pass better defend just as well argubaly more verstile and can score as well you literally underestimate the talent that team has kemp is talented but dont make it seem like that team is ass without him
Shawn Kemp and he never made payton what does the generation now have to do with back then? stop assuming stuff and undermining this team they had a amazing coach and a talented roster with gary payton who was the one who actually gave jordan trouble for most of the seriess of the finals they both made the allstar team in 93 that was their first time they both made each macmillan would not provide the passing and scoring that gary payton also put in with his defense he can shoot pass defend rebound well for his size
Hit the nail on the head. Nothing but facts
One thing I’d add: in 1979 the two best college players were Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. Number 3 was Sidney Moncrief. He may have had bad timing being in the same lot as Bird and Magic, can kind of see how he was destined to be overlooked.
Great comparison to the Grizzlies, bro. On point.
I was a fan 78-86. The Bucks were so close to the finals. They would sweep Boston loose to Phili, or Philadelphia lost to Boston.
I'll never forget Moncriefs buzzer shot to win over Philadelphia.
He made to the hall of fame 🎉
Make a video on oscar roberson🙏
Young rockefeller ok thanks😂i didnt know it👌
Sidney Moncrief was very underrated.
Put some respect on Terry Cummings, Jack Sikma, Marques Johnson, and Bob Lanier, boy!
They were like if the recent Grizzlies teams at there best were on steroids.
Not worth mentioning that Sidney led the Bucks a couple times in scoring, assists, rebounds, while winning Defensive Player of the Year? The Hall of Fame concept is bogus. Sportswriters aren't qualified to vote on who the all-time greats are. Sportswriters are geeks by definition. Let a player's career speak for itself.
I met Sidney moncrief 2 hours ago and he gave me a signed card
Sid the Squid should be in the HOF!!!
alvin robinson was very underrated too
This was before you could watch any game at any time. The Bucks just wasnt televised much. You either saw them on the George Micheals Sports Machine or being run out the gym by the Celtics or Sixers in the playoffs. Moncrief, Cummings, Pressely, all good players just couldn't get past the great ones.
The Bucks in those years were a victim of bad timing. When they had Lanier, they were able to match the Celtics and Lakers at the 5 but the rest of their team wasn't quite as good since Moncrief, perhaps the most critical piece, hadn't yet come into his own. When he started to peak, the Lanier years were nearing the end. There might have been maybe one season around '82 or '83 when it all lined up but unfortunately, you had the Sixers who had one of the most dominant seasons in NBA history. By the time the Bucks had the talent to match the Lakers and Celtics, they lost Lanier and spent the next 3 or 4 seasons at a substantial disadvantage at the 5. That disadvantage was ultimately what caused them to come up short every year.
Sidney Moncrief and Ben Wallace are now both hall of famers!!!!
I believe Sidney finally made it..i think
Agree 100%
Guess who’s in 💪🏿💪🏿
Cool! Normally I wouldn't care, but Sidney played with all the heart in the world. 6'3 post up any body. Dived for all the balls, jumping in the stands. Laser like focus.
Ty!!!
Andy I think the nba watched your video and realize they needed to put moncrief in the HOF
The NBA should focus more on adding great players from the past, like Sidney Moncrief, to the NBA's 75th Anniversary list (top 75 NBA players) more than adding NBA players who r still playing in the NBA.
Good video as always Andy, Webber needs to be in the HOF. Cheated out of two rings
Btw if anyone cares, I️ saw a black widow yesterday in my math book and uploaded it
He did just make the NCAA Basketball HOF!
I wonder who were here when El Sid made the Hall of Fame?
Sidney Moncrief is one of the most underrated player of the 1980s because while he was a good player he would always get overshadowed by Magic and Bird. It's a shame that he couldn't make the NBA 75th Anniversary Team.
he needs to be yn the hall a fame
Him and Dominique would have been a contender on either MIL or ATL
Next up: Dennis Johnson
Top 5 milwaukee bucks player of all time imo 1.Kareem 2.Oscar robertson 3.Giannis 4.Marques johnson or moncrief
Yes
Terry Cummings was the best player in that team. He was the second best in his position in the east behind Bird