Why is Bill C-21 so complicated and contentious?
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2023
- Bill C-21, the Liberal government's signature gun legislation, is a proposed law it says is critical to ending gun violence in Canada. But critics say it does little to curb crime, and targets the wrong gun owners. Andrew Chang sits down with About That producer Kieran Oudshoorn to discuss problems with the buyback program.
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You know you live in a sick society when a guy who stabbed and beheaded a complete stranger on a bus is deemed “criminally not responsible” and let out after a couple of years in the puzzle factory, but when a guy defends himself and elderly mother from a bunch of armed thugs doing a home invasion at 5am, he is charged with 2nd degree murder! Thanks once again QC and Toronto.
We live in a society where you are expected to be a victim.
what do anomalies have anything to do with this video?
Wow that's crazy
@@pacman3556he's saying Canadian laws are backwards
@@KrOnIc343 so you are saying we base our laws on anomalies?
People who get daily background checks are not the issue.
Yup
It is highly unlikely that any police agency has the time or staff to check anyone daily so your statement is false to begin with however looking at the stats nearly half of all gun violence is committed with a legally registered gun. And criminals get their guns from the supply of legal ones so you are incorrect. People that you falsely believe get daily background checks are a huge part of the issue.
@@pacman3556 Wrong on both counts. The screening is automatic based on the interaction reports in the data systems police maintain, also... they source them from outside the country. Turns out that people who smuggle and sell illegal substances are willing to smuggle and sell illegal things... who could guess?
We do have continuous eligibility screening in Canada as part of the Canadian Firearms Program. It runs automatically, and flags any person to the chief firearms officer of that province for follow-up should a person come up in one of the computer information systems. From the RCMP themselves:
"To ensure compliance with the Act, firearms license holders are continuously screened to assess their eligibility to remain licensed. This is known as continuous eligibility screening. Accordingly, if a license holder is involved in an event involving violence (or other offenses specified in Section 5 of the Firearms Act), it is reported in the Canadian Firearms Information System (CFIS) via a Firearms Interest Police (FIP) and sent to the relevant CFO for review. There were 29,487 FIP events in 2016 that were matched to individuals with a firearms license." (www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/audit-the-canadian-firearms-program-continuum-eligibility-firearms-licensing)
Also on the other one, the majority of crime guns (80-95%) that are able to be traced are traced back to the united states, and thus were smuggled over the border... if you look at the Twitter feeds on busts... most are sub-compact handguns that have been prohibited in Canada since the early '90s.
"70% of all (successfully) traced guns used in crimes in Ontario came from the United States, while so far this year the U.S. share has risen to 73%, according to the data from the Ontario police's Firearms Analysis and Tracing Enforcement (FATE) program." (www.ctvnews.ca/canada/in-fighting-gun-crime-canada-has-an-american-problem-1.6004198#:~:text=The%20Canadian%20firearms%20homicide%20rate,in%20urban%20areas%20involved%20handguns.)
@@pacman3556 FYI if you're going to quote "stats"... please cite your sources.
The problem as I see it: is that we spend more time and resources managing and checking up on the people who were willing to partake in the system and get a license than we do checking up on those we KNOW have a firearms ban/ prohibition as a result of their criminal history.
We rush them back to the streets after waving a finger at them and saying "Next time it'll be *serious* if we catch you with a prohibited weapon in contravention of your court orders..." after having caught them for the 3rd or 4th time.
Yet these people have a shown pattern of disregarding the laws, have a distrust of the system, and are likely to partake in enterprises with others who disregard laws and norms... thus increasing the need to be able to coerce others or defend themselves from the use of force by their peers. So of course they go get another handgun, because if they are back out... so are their rivals.
@@TheRabid0ne
1- "The screening is automatic based on the interaction reports in the data systems police maintain,"
So I am not wrong....police do not show up at every single gun owners home on a daily bases. It is automated data that can easily overlook simple things like a persons mental health and it does nothing to prove how a gun is being stored etc.
2- you are the one that is wrong. NOT ALL guns are smuggled guns.
There are guns used in crime that ARE NOT smuggled. There are guns used in crime that do come from Canadian sources
You also ignore the fact that nearly 50% of gun violence involves a legally registered gun so that is a gun that is from Canada
3- you fail to understand that referencing smuggled guns does nothing to help your argument.
Smuggled guns proves that strict gun laws and banning guns works
4- who cares about drugs? I agree that there is a link between guns and drugs but not all gun violence is because of drugs. Also drugs requires different solutions to gun violence. It is not to say there are some links between drugs and guns it is not absolute. Guns can and are separate from drugs in many incidents and how we solve for each is different. You are confusing causation with coorelation
5- "70% of all (successfully) traced guns used in crimes in Ontario came from the United States"
You just reinforced and supported everything I said
A- 70% is not 100% so there are still guns used in crime that are from within Canada. By your own stats that is 30% so you would be a fool to think that a 30% reduction in crime is not a good thing. Even one life saved is a good thing.
B- your reference is to only Ontario. Canada is much more than Ontario and stats across Canada show that nearly half of all gun crime is with a legally registered Canadian gun
In rural areas that stat is even higher. Saskatchewan that has the highest per capita rate of gun crime sees almost all crime committed with long barrel hunting rifles that are all registered.
C- your reference to smuggled guns just reinforces that banning guns and strict gun laws works.
6- "It runs automatically", " continuously screened"
That is not daily nor is it showing up at someone's home to inspect how they store their guns or check on the person's mental state and welfare.
7- you also fail to understand that a smuggled gun starts off just as legally in the place it originated from as it does in Canada. If not for the supply of legal guns criminals wouldn't have access (or a much much harder access) to guns. Banning guns and strict guns laws just one more tool to make it more difficult for a criminal to get a gun.
Quick note. It cannot be called a “buy back” unless the Canadian government owned these guns in the first place. So except for the comparatively small number of old Canadian military surplus rifles floating around the rest are being confiscated.
it's called a buy back because they are buying back your privilege of previously owning guns under the governments good faith program. the natural state of firearms in canada is prohibited, but after undergoing training and some fees the gov will grant you the privilege of owning some firearms. it follows that they can, will and have withdrawn that privilege many times in the last century of firearms laws
Also, why are they turning my handgun collection into a worthless pile of scrap-metal? Clay
@@tracyclaystowell6431it’s against UN convention and centuries old common law. Bill C21 is a joke and against our constitution
Bill C-21 is like a fire department dumping water on everyone's BBQ while a structure fire rages 2 streets over. Not fixing the issue whatsoever.
but in dry weather it is possible that the BBQs started the fires so by putting out the BBQs it prevents fires from starting.
Enacting the freeze prior to the legislative process being completed is putting the cart before the horse.
And makes it very clear that this whole ordeal is “decision based evidence making”.
The first question of any legislation should always be: will this actually fix the problem?
In C-21's case, which explicitly targets a demographic 3x less likely than the average Canadian to commit violent crime... no. No it does not fix any problems, and there is no evidence to support that it does, hence why Liberal MP's pound the table shouting scary words like ASSAULT STYLE or WEAPONS OF WAR without providing definitions of either or showing statistics for how many legally obtained firearms/PAL holders have been involved in gun crimes (psst: its virtually none).
C-21 punishes citizens who have done nothing wrong and does nothing to deter criminals who are using already illegally obtained weapons anyway.
Want to do something about gun crime? Fund the CBSA. Get them better containing scanning equipment. Catch illegally smuggled guns at the border before they end up in criminals hands.
Stop punishing innocent people.
Every cent spent on the border is wasted.
It’s 8000km long. Stopping smuggling across it is impossible.
If you want the crime to stop you’ve got to get rid of the people that are committing it. Stop all future community housing projects and work on getting rid of the projects that we have now.
@@Trythis837 I agree it's impossible to try and stop smuggling. Maybe if people did not have the incetive to smuggle then they would not do it.
Exactly! This is political theatre, "virtue signaling", that will do nothing to stop the crime problem. Legal gun owners are not committing these crimes, and criminals don't care about the law already, so why would they care about any new gun laws??
Let's get back to governing with common sense and go after the people who ARE the problem.
Here's a similar situation, Picture that you're driving down the road and you get a warning on the dashboard that a tire is low on air. So you pull over, get out of the car, and see that the left front tire is completely flat. So what do you do?? You pull out the spare tire and install it on the right rear of the car! That's what our current Liberal government is doing!!! They're not fixing the problem, they're pretending to fix the problem and using scary propaganda to convince people that it will help. Most Canadians don't own guns so they aren't affected by the confiscation, but tomorrow it may be something they care about. And why don't Canadians care to look deep enough to see that this won't change anything! Imagine what 3 Billion dollars could do in our health care system? How many hospitals, or MRI machines would it buy? It's your money the Liberals are wasting....
I agree. This is an absurd piece of legislation and a waste of money. Legal guns are hardly never if ever used in a crime statistically across the country. Facts dont really serve their purpose and that is a fact.
1- what is your first question? Because the question should be will this fix the problem of gun violence....and simple answer is yes.
As simple comparison of countries that ban guns and have strict gun laws to a country like the US that has little to no laws proves that this works
2- your statement about "targeting" the gun owner demographic because people believe they commit violent crime is misleading and wrong:
A- It is misleading because nobody ever said they commit all violent crime. They do however provide the supply of guns to criminals. If not for the legal gun in our society there would not be a gun available to become "illegal" in the hands of a criminal
B- It is wrong because nearly 50% of all gun violence is committed with a legally registered gun.
3- there absolutely is evidence that supports reducing guns reduces gun violence. It goes back to point 1 above....all you need to do is look at any country that has banned guns and have strict gun laws.
The US has more guns than people...are you really trying to suggest they don't have a gun violence problem?
4- Nobody is shouting "scary" words. People are stating what some of these guns are. However your point is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what a gun is called it is still a deadly weapon and what you call it doesn't make it any less dangerous or make our society any safer
5- your question about stats goes back to point 2B above. About half of all gun crime is committed with a legally registered gun. However your question is irrelevant because the "illegal" gun wouldn't exist without the "legal" one
6- nobody is punishing anyone. We are holding gun owners accountable for their actions (goes back to points 2A and 2B)
7- you continual repeat things like criminals use illegally obtained weapons but fail to understand the criminals get those "illegal" weapons from the supply of legal weapons. This goes back to point 2A and point 6 above.
8- We do fund the Canadian Border Control Agency. Why is it that every single one of you gun whack jobs seem to think that we don't have border control? Why is it that you all seem to believe the govt is not capable of doing more than one thing at a time?
The same bill you are referring too also increased spending for Border Control and as a result CBCA stopped nearly double the amount of smuggled guns as they did the year before
9- Talking about smuggled guns does nothing to support or prove your argument. In fact it does the exact opposite. Smuggled guns proves that banning guns and strict gun laws works.
10- nobody is punishing you and gun owners are not innocent. We are holding gun owners responsible for their actions and they are a huge part of the gun violence problem.
It was mentioned that the Bill would allow higher maximum sentencing but you neglected to mention that no one has ever received the current max.
It said it would restrict access to handguns by banning sales but legal handgun sales are already restricted to trained and vetted citizens who are monitored daily for ANY police interaction.
It was also mentioned that allowances would be made to confiscate firearms via 'Red Flag' laws but those already exist. Any judge can have your firearms seized.
"Assault style" is a political term that generates fear. It is based on appearance and not function or action.
Many have suggested that hunters and sport shooters can purchase other firearms. People purchase what is needed and affordable for their use, in many cases there are no alternatives thus the sport will disappear.
Even if a buy back occurs, it is still confiscation.
This was really well done. Honestly, the only thing I have ever watched related to the CBC. My only suggestion would be maybe mentioning how C-21 does absolutely nothing to stop criminals with guns. When all the legal guns have been collected, criminals will still be shooting up the streets. They don't care about laws or bans. I truly wonder what the police, border services etc could do with this money instead of wasting it chasing law abiding citizens.
The criminals will still get illegal guns smuggled from the USA. This C21 does nothing to solve that. Says the police chiefs association of Canada. You know the experts
3 billion dollars for taking away law abiding citizens firearms or 3 billions dollars for tightening the border/programs too help with mental illness…
May as well just burn the money, cause once they confiscate lawful firearm owners property, the criminals will be more emboldened to target those unarmed. And then the price of an illegal gun will skyrocket, thus increasing the amount of smugglers, who aren’t bringing them across the bridge border or airports, but by go-fast boats along the St Lawrence River into FN reserves that are completely off limits to the police because of “muh residential schools”. The price of a handgun on the street has already quadrupled, but hasn’t slowed the demand one bit, nor has it decreased shootings in the GTA.
Canada's gun laws are strong, there is no need to expand them over feelings or bad politics.
Clearly its a people problem not guns, less desperate people will foster less gun crime.
Crazy, right? ...
For example:
People paying $2K (plus) a month for rent plus utilities wouldn't make people desperate would it?
Ok I kind of see your point, but at the same time this issue (gun buy back) WAY proceeds the current economy/inflation. Also those who are most poor and in need are probably not the legal owners of $1,000s worth of firearm. Using your own example, if someone is struggling to pay $2K/month for rent, they are most likely not going to afford to buy a $500-$1000 firearm.
70 years of gun control and we still have murders. Its almost like it changes absolutely nothing?
If we have strong gun laws why do we still have gun violence?
It clearly is the gun not the person. A person cannot shoot someone without the gun. Every country has it's "crazy" people, criminals etc however the only one that has mass shootings and a huge gun violence problem is the one that has more guns than people....the US
Full confiscation from farmers and hunters is the real goal here. It's not about public safety and never HAS been. It's about satisfying the U.N. and the animal rights lobby.
Anyone notice how when the CBC makes content that's actually fair, and well thought out. They keep the comments open; But when they act as the Government megaphone, they turn them off?
We have gun laws. This is punishment.
no it isn't. It is accountability.
How valuable is an illegal gun, alot more now!
NOW you want to treat Canadians fairly and respectfully?
Criminal's will get guns no mater what you do. So why take away the right for people to defend themselves. every time you introduce gun policy's in a area the gun violence goes up not down! It has nothing to do with keeping citizen's safe it is to keep the government safe from us when they try to take our freedom from us.
Its never been a right for Canadians to defend themselves with firearms ever, we can only ever take these to shooting ranges or hunting use. If you ever defend yourself with even a KNIFE, thats illegal...
@AetheusZX so yes and no. Home invasions that killed criminals have been passed down from convictions many times in canada
@@AetheusZX self defence laws aside, with skyrocketing food prices, the govt will have a hard time selling this myopic “buyback” program to people who are going to need them to put food on the table or operate a hunting outfitter, especially FN peoples? It’s not going to happen.
Why take away the right for people to defend themselves? Because anyone who pulls a Bernhard Goetz or a Paul Kersey reduces the workload (and profits!) of the criminal lawyers!
Note: Mentioning either of the two names above in a post on the CBC website will result in that post being immediately disabled.
Same rule for any mentioning or criticism of Wendy Cukier.
@@FischerFan right on! If there’s any doubt that we posses any modicum of self defence laws in this country, that was put to rest in Milton ON last March.
Four armed thugs busted into an elderly woman’s home at 5am, only to be neutralized by the owners son, who has a valid RPAL and registered handgun. He’s now up on 2nd murder charges, despite him stopping the attack on his mother, while the remaining three fled.
The keystone cops still haven’t identified 2 of the suspects involved, nor do they really care, since they got their man(the victim). This country is doomed, I tell ya!!!
Go after the criminals and leave the LICENSED firearms owners alone.
The type of guns are totally irrelevant.
we do go after criminals. Why is it that gun nut jobs seem to think the govt only does one thing at a time? However gun owners provide the supply of guns to the criminals. Also nearly 50% of gun violence is committed with a legally registered gun. So gun owners are the criminals.
@@pacman3556
Hi there, me again. Please cite your source for "nearly half of all gun violence is committed by legally registered guns".
As we covered yesterday: Where the tracing of crime guns has been done... 70% plus are found to have been traced back to the United States and thus the claim that nearly half are from legal Canadian owners (let alone registered as your claim mistakenly points out) is clearly false due to simple math.
@@TheRabid0ne we covered this many times try and follow along and understand. 1- source....stats Canada...do some actual research
2- 70% is not ALL. That leaves 30% still within Canada and you have to be a fool to think that a 30% reduction in gun violence is not a good thing.
3- your claim of 70% is still comparable to my claim of 50%. While your number is slightly lower then mine it is still consistent to show that not all crime is done with what you label "illegal" "smuggled" guns. By your own admission it is upwards of 30% that are legally owned guns from within Canada.
@@pacman3556 @TheRabid0ne Pacman3556 is lying through obsfuscation. I read the statscan summary which clearly states, "The firearms used in homicides were rarely legal firearms used by their legal owners.".
Private property purchased in good faith. this is property rights issue.
A confrimed handgun own by John Coffee "Jack" Hays has sold for 200,000$USD. I dought they will put out that kind of money for one handgun.
That number will be a lot higher as the RCMP have made even more guns prohibited. It could be in the range of 6 to 10 BILLION.
How many MRI machines would that buy? Or how many doctors and nurses would it pay? Let's focus on real problems. (Or, if you want to fix the crime problem, go after criminals and gun smugglers)
A pretty fair assessment by the CBC. Surprising! You should mention how LEGAL firearms owners, who are the main target of this bill, are not the problem. Criminals and smugglers will NOT be affected by a ban of legal guns. Sorry, that's just reality. Give those 2 - 3 billion dollars to RCMP and border services instead.
The way c21 has been handled has been SHAMEFUL. Why ban guns from legal registered owners who bother to pay money, go to the store and buy the proper safety stuff and take a wilderness course just to get low level rifle or shotgun? If you want pistols there's even more courses and rules. Are they the problem or not?
The fact that there are gun owners who still have full-auto guns (and will keep them) but will have their semi-autos confiscated because they are "too dangerous to own" proves just how political this all is.
under 50 seconds in and mr JT has lied, we don't have rapid or automatic style firearms, a semi shotgun is the same as a ar 15 buddy..... 5 rounds max
Well done! Normally, I don't follow the CBC but this program was well researched and addresses most of the issues. If the Liberals were serious, why didn't they offer a 'buyback' for handguns in Bill C-21 instead of long guns? Why create this embarrassing political boondoggle that satisfies no one? IMHO, one only has to consider the ministers involved during the last three years for an answer. In the world of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. In reality, we Canadians live next to a country of 335 million people and over 400 million firearms. Three guesses where the government should be spending our money?
"About That" is usually well done, and I too was surprised to see this mostly balanced content on the CBC. I see it as the counter point to the neutered mainstream news directed to the CBC (you will notice they never say anything false, but what is missing, or what is taken out of context and presented as a headline, reeks of Liberal bias). It's a program the CBC can point to to show they still do real journalism, no doubt allowed to exist because it does not have the viewership of their mainstream news programs.
Any move towards gun control has never been about the guns... it's about control
Fun fact: The wars fought with bolt action rifles had the highest casualty counts versus those fought with fully automatic firearms
Fully automatic weapons are not even available for civilian use in the first place.
Because of the down of the machine gun lol.
When truth and fairness become different than what is law, it's better to side with truth and fairness.
I'm no expert, but I feel like the new bill C-21 does very little to target violent criminals. It seems to be focused on law-abiding firearm owners. To me, this is gives uneducated Canadians a false sense of security and tells Canadians who are educated in firearm ownership, that the government does not understand the intracacies of firearms and how they are related to criminal activities. Again, I am just some guy who has a passion to understand these laws but no formal education surrounding government or political science.
Please leave legal owners alone if the stats don't back up the idea of stolen registered or legal canadian pistols, rifles and shotguns being the issue here. This is low hanging political fruit and everyone knows it
About that is the best news program on CBC. So impressed!
Oh my God, a somewhat honest, reasonable & relatively unbiased look at the issue. Wonder of wonders.
What about the ammo that we have? Are they buying that too? If not, what am I supposed to do with it?
To whom or what fiscal governmental department do firearm owners send the bill to for storage, loss of use, maintenance, security, anxiety, capital gain investment loss, inheritance value, time with family, business income loss and competition event interruption/loss amounts over the past three years and counting? Any other situation would result in class action lawsuit and, or prison time for those responsible.
even if you don't own a firearm all canadians must be concerned about this bill. our property rights mean nothing if the government can just take your property when ever they see fit
Stop criminal not hunting and then after he will banned fishing rod worst idiotic idea ever..
Millions and millions, what about the veterans, missing children, the opioid crisis, reforestation etc?????
In Canada, since 2018, police can demand a breath sample from a passenger in a car who is not driving. If police can prove that the passenger was in care and control of a vehicle less than 2 hours prior to failing their breathalyzer test, by the passenger's own admission or otherwise, the police officer can charge the passenger with impaired driving. If the passenger cannot prove that they were not impaired 2 hours ago when they parked their car, It doesn't matter that they did the right thing and had called a friend to drive them home and that they were not impaired when driving 2 hours prior to the Police Officer's demand for a breath sample . The impaired driving laws were changed to appease those who threatened to oppose Trudeau's legalization of cannabis- for which their is no breathalyzer test. Note, at this time, in Oregon, there was a marked spike in impaired driving charges. This spike was accompanied with Oregon's lowest rate of impaired driving convictions because people chose to smoke legal cannabis and drive, knowing there was no cannabis a breathalyzer and getting caught was not a deterrent. Similarly, Bill C-21, which discriminates against licensed and registered gun-owners who have done everything right to be law-abiding citizens, does nothing to prevent gangs from shooting up the streets with smuggled guns. Just like those who smoke cannabis and drive without fear of getting charged, Gangs will carry on freely under the radar. The new gun laws will not deter gang members from continuing their practice of firing rounds blindly into windows to prove their criminality to peers but it will force responsible citizens to prove that they are not criminals. Makes no sense to allocate resources that only serve to incriminate honest people who have proven themselves to follow the formal rules. Divide an conquer politics again to ride the wave of divisive politics to boost the polls for themselves without actually doing something with the exception of legalizing cannabis without a breathalyzer and amending the Canadian Criminal Code to allow police to charge passengers in a car with impaired driving after they had a couple pints and called a designated driver to drive them home. I am glad that many police officers have not enforced this law by their own good conscience and appreciation of honest people who have followed the social contract of society and should not have to prove themselves innocent of breaking a new law that prevents no crime nor harm.
EVERY Canadian, regardless of political ideology should be asking some very basic questions.
1: Who does Bill C-21 target and actually affect..? How does that affect violent crime and murder in Canada?
2: How much is the projected cost..?
3: Does it actually recognize, address and solve the root causes of the problems which cause violence and murder..??
A: ANY and all "gun control" laws target the law abiding Canadian gun owners who go through a background check on a DAILY basis, have gone through the safety course, are licensed, have their restricted firearms registered, have permits to transport, have to comply with storage and transportation laws, need to divulge information about their spouse or common-law partner in their personal lives, have to have a gun club membership for restricted firearms, and have to wait for an undetermined amount of time for the application and renewal process for licenses.. All of this when entire categories of firearms are already prohibited from ownership, such as compact and sub-compact handguns, most semi-automatic rifles that are considered "military style", anything full auto, certain calibers for pistols, and now any firearm with a certain muzzle energy. Bill C-21 is KNOWN to have banned small caliber target as well as hunting rifles..
How does targeting law abiding Canadians deter or prevent violence and murder perpetrated by gangs, organized criminals and people with mental heath issues..?? It doesn't. How does it protect people..?? It doesn't.
The simple fact is that no problem will be solved if the root causes aren't recognized, addressed and solved..
1- Bill C21 affects everyone. It will make our society safer. Based on comparisons of other countries that have similar bills or laws violent crime and crime will lower. Any comparison of countries that have strict laws and bans guns to a country like the US proves that has little to no laws and a vast supply of guns proves it works
2- not sure how much the project itself specifically costs however what cost do you put on a human life? If this saves even one person then the cost outweighs itself
3- simple answer is yes. Why people commit crime or murder is complex. For each individual there will be a different reason behind why that crime or murder was committed so to find a one stop solution to crime is naive at best. However people cannot shot other people without a gun so removing guns will reduce violence. There are many "criminals" that wouldn't be criminals if they didn't have a gun.
Also we do try to solve the root problems behind many issues like violence and murder. The govt (and society) is a large organization that unlike you is capable of focusing on more than one thing at a time.
So basic answer is your question is naive and moot.
A- who cares what your long winded answer was. It doesn't stop criminals from getting their hands on firearms. The more difficult we make it for criminals to get firearms the less firearms we have in our society and as a result the safer our society becomes.
Nobody is targeting anyone. We are holding gun owners accountable for their own actions. Criminals get their guns from the supply of legal guns so reducing the amount of guns available to criminals prevents violence and murder. Also there are plenty of examples of legal gun owners that have picked up their weapons in a heat of passion and used their guns to commit violence and murder themselves. You are naive to believe that all crime is committed by gangs.
You are somewhat correct. We should and do look at the root causes of issues. You are naive and ignorant to only see things in singulars or "all or nothing" situations.
If you own airsoft guns, they want them back too. I'm an amateur filmmaker who uses them to comp muzzle flashes in DaVinci Resolve. The film industry is trying to move away from using blank firing guns so people don't get killed in accidents like in the Rust incident. This is a way more complicated issue. Oh yeah, I like to think of myself as liberal. I'm a liberal gun owner who thinks this law if flawed. I'm all for getting dangerous guns, ghost guns, off the streets, and I know airsoft is used in crimes, but there has to be a way to please both parties.
What do you think a "ghost gun" is? It's just a buzzword for self-manufactured firearms. They used to be called "zip guns", although they were more improvised than the modern DIY kits.
A better ski think would have been to ban the commercial sale of these guns in stores while allowing licensed owners keep the grandfathered guns, in other words taking baby steps toward outlawing them similar to what New Zealand is doing with cigarettes.
First off,this video shows a rifle with an extended magazine which has been banned for years.
Can't watch the rest if your going there seconds into your story.
Not to mention this also bands BB guns which could not harm anybody simply because they look like the guns.
Anything that shoots above 275 ft per second apparently can penetrate an eye and then anything about 500 ft per second can penetrate the skin. So they decided anything above 500 ft per second is considered a firearm and you require a gun licence to own.
Also because they are banning guns that look like firearms. If there is a version of a BB gun that exists in the US that goes above 500 ft per second it is considered a firearm in the eyes of canada, so if an underpowered version of it exists in canada it will also be banned. An example: lets say walmart sells a wizard wand that shoots BBs if the company that makes the toy has a version in the US that shoots over 500 ft per second its immediately considered a firearm in the eyes of canada. So if the company makes a version of the wizard wand that is only 300 feet per second, specifically made to be sold in canada and follows the law to the letter. It doesnt matter there is a more powerful version of the wand that is considered a firearm so the sale of the lower power version is illegal without a pal.
This law can also apply to anything that shoots
projectiles such as nailguns slingshots or maybe even nerf guns.
It doesnt but im trying to explain how poorly worded and thought this bill is.
why doesn't Canada follow suite with other Commonwealth Countries like the UK , Australia and New Zealand and ban "semi-auto centre-fire rifles " THE END !
I own 2 bolt action rifles for target shooting only and do not see the need anywhere for a semi-auto rifle for either sport shooting nor hunting
So do you think the criminals will give up there guns to the buy back program? Da
Remind me again, how is the producer of the show an expert on the topic? This doesn’t seem like good journalism when you just talk to one random person who isn’t a topic expert and just add a few clips of politicians talking for context. I feel like I wasted my time and learned nothing new, he might be a good interviewer, but they need to also invest in the expert opinion part or it feels like a waste of time and effort to make a show.
Works for Fox News lol
This was pretty balanced reporting, which is odd when mixing CBC with firearms topics. Thanks for doing the subject justice. What wasn't covered was whether C21 would actually reduce gun crime or not.
Very big country hunting is our heritage and way of life
So, Billions to be spent but it's not money spent dealing with criminals and the fact that the shootings are still happening is sick. That money could have been put into mental health or public health!! ON top of that what about all the money that the sport shooters used to spend on going to the range to compete in things like IPSC or 3 gun and the industry around those firearms / sport shooters.
I still don't understand how they can buy these guns back when they never owned them in the first place
Still waiting for someone to explain how an M1 Garand is an “assault style weapon” but a Lee Enfield isn’t. Except the fact numerous Indigenous hunters own Lee Enfields, many provided by the GoC, and don’t want to risk those votes!
Where's your follow up program on this useless buyback program?
So, I have a new plan b for unaffordable seniors retirement housing: refuse to give them my restricted firearm and they’ll feed and house me, provide medical services for the rest of my life! Because I followed all the rules to acquire my gun but now I’m a criminal!
Key words... Private property.
Update please (Dec 2023)
Why wont they leave the legal onners alone and go after the criminals common sense no you have a problem find solve the problem the criminals are the problem and the drugs lots of drugs in Canada unfortunately
1- we do after criminals. Why is it that all gun nut jobs seem to think the govt only does one thing at a time?
2- criminals get their supply of guns from legal gun owners so banning guns available to criminals does help solve the problem
3- nearly half of all gun violence is committed by legally registered guns so gun owners are also the criminals.
4- while there are links to drugs and gun violence drugs is a different topic that requires different solutions and has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
@@pacman3556
Hi there, me again. Please cite your source for "nearly half of all gun violence is committed by legally registered guns".
As we covered yesterday: Where the tracing of crime guns has been done... 70% plus are found to have been traced back to the United States and thus the claim that nearly half are from legal Canadian owners (let alone registered as your claim mistakenly points out) is clearly false due to simple math.
1- Because gun crime IS the topic we are trying to solve.
2- If they get their guns from outside the country, what does changing the laws INSIDE the country do to stop it?
3- As above- that is a lie/ mistruth. Moreover: Stats show that holders of a Firearms License in Canada are half as likely to be involved in a homicide than a non-PAL holder. "PAL holders are less likely to commit murder than other Canadians. Between 2000 and 2020, the number of PAL holders accused of homicide varied from 6 to 21, averaging 12 accused per year out of approximately 2 million PAL holders." (www.fraserinstitute.org/fr/node/14976#:~:text=PAL%20holders%20are%20less%20likely,approximately%202%20million%20PAL%20holders.)
4- Drug and gang violence is very much relevant to the topic at hand, ad the VAST majority of gun crimes are gang/drug related.
@@TheRabid0ne Thank you for this comment. Very cool.
my question is what do the liberals get from banning guns?
The get to control the law abiding citizens
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Sks used in a high profile shooting? Where and when?
I typically am center left on social issues, but this will be an election issue for me and a law that I will speak out against.
Concurring with the thread. This CBC report surprised me by not treating legal and thoroughly trained and licensed gun owners like the pariah our Grand Dictator has made them out to be.
That's a lot of money that could be used in a better place several billion dollars I could think of quite a few things to improve Canada replace gas stations with electric Chargers for one and that's just off the top of my head.
improve the scanning technology for imported goods to catch illegal Firearms drugs Contraband that type of stuff.
Devote more money to improving gang task forces in canada education programs to help people that these gangs prey on to join them.
Airsoft and paintball guns being banned.
Canada to California- This is the way
Justin Trudeau is almost done is time. I can't wait for that day !
Worst reporting
People can keep their guns..but are bullets necessary?
yes
Troll.
Kind of need bullets to hunt. Otherwise the gun is a big paper weight. Maybe a spear if you put a bayonet on it. However spear hunting is considred inhumane.
Naw, if its a shotgun you could use lead shot, or steel if need be.
We’ll if you can get illegal guns. I’m sure you can get illegal bullet’s too.🤔
The shotguns, naw, not a problem. The other rifles, probably are a problem.
So just no riffles?
No guns are a problem.
Except a shotgun is the most dangerous firearm on the planet
@@Trythis837 how?
@@bigjon576 there are fourty one 6mm pellets in a 3” load of #4 buck. What is more dangerous than that? Take a pump gun holds 6 shots you’ve got 246 6mm projectiles going 1200 FPS in the air in about 3 1/2 seconds. There isn’t a semi auto rifle in the country that can come close to that.
Treadau always says military style weapons thing to scare the dummies we haven't been able to buy them since the late 70s
If I could be so bold to ask with all these extremely dangerous guns that are illegal now locked away in people's lockers and nobody can use them has a gun crime gone down
According to 2 Peel Regional buddies of mine, not in the slightest! And it most certainly didn’t prevent three Canadian policemen from being killed in a span of about 6 months by a bunch of violent repeat offenders, who should’ve been locked away for good! instead, they were coddled, spoon fed, and sympathized with, due to their skin colour, creed and “oppressed” history? This country is upside down.
A people armed and free, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition and is a bulwark for the nation against foreign invasion and DOMESTIC OPPRESSION.
James Madison
This entire episode in liberal baiting, virtue signalling and manufacturing of fear has done nothing but waste a lot of time, money and made millions of Canadians think a lot less about Canada.
there are about one million hand guns in Canada. Considering that every gun owner claims to have multiple guns let's say for argument's sake that each owner has two guns then that would mean only about 500K people.....not millions. No where near the majority of 37 million people that live in Canada But good job trying to exaggerate and make a few butt hurt gun owners look like the majority.