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The ORIGINAL purpose of a Business Admin degree was not to teach people to become entrepreneurs. It was to teach people to become mid-level managers for large corporations.
Why not get someone with an accounting or advertising degree.
@@florkyman5422 I mean, most middle managers aren't doing accounting or advertising, they're just supervising a team of people, and coordinating with the managers from other teams/upper management on what that team of people are doing. On the other hand, the skills that make a good manager aren't taught by building spaghetti structures or anything else that's being taught in these Business Adminisration programs either.
@@florkyman5422 accountancy and business administration are 80% the same degree
Yeah I have mine then got the MBA only from my MBA courses did they even teach the entrepreneurship route and best of yet the military paid for it I recommend no one goes to college unless you can have it paid for or you can pay as you go it’s just too expensive
@First Name Last Name yeah I have an MBA but you don’t need it to actually be successful it comes down to the person if you work your ass off you can be successful without a degree
Imagine losing a position because you didn't have a Microsoft Word certification
Excuse me you mean 'THE Microsoft Word certification'
I don't have a Microsoft Word Certification I don't soend much time at all in Microsoft word but if you need me to write a report or book I will do it Because all options are clearly labeled the software is easy to use I don't even see the need to take classes on how to use it.
@@JoshuaFluke1 That's how all the geeks get laid.
@@asandax6 r/thatsthejoke
An excel certification could be very useful and quick books too. Not the word one. You can just lie and say you have 4 years experience with office & nobody will care.
Your face when she said, “ you can use your degree to work retail”, I laughed so hard. I went to college so I would never have to work retail again.
I'd be caught stone faced if I went to college just to work retail.
Most companies will train you on the job so you can move up to better positions.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy it’s not welcome to USA a dystopia 3rd world hellhole
@@missdesireindependance5194 why I will never do retail
Fuck that! Lol. I could never work in retail. Lol. Working at the Mall on the weekends looks depressing. I have to say, working a physical labor job is way better than working retail or any office job. Plus you make triple more working a job Americans don’t want like tile cleaning.
As a business administration major I totally agree with Josh. I chose to major in business because I was already doing the work I wanted to do, making good money, but I wasn't considered promotion material until I finished a degree. Business Admin was easy enough to check the box quickly while working full-time and doing school at nights. The information taught was mostly common sense stuff you could learn more quickly and cheaply by reading popular business books. Definitely not worth the tens of thousands in tuition for the material. That said, the piece of paper did make a difference in terms of promotions and the kinds of positions I could get interviewed for. Companies require degrees because they can. It's BS but true.
yep like i was saying my boss just posted a opening for a noobie with a business ad for 85k starting salary
what about getting an associate then transfering over to UC in the same city for business administration information systems
@@mmakotal4388 what exactly is ba in IT, do you manage the IT dept ?
I completely degree. My BA was focused on Logistics and Supply Chain Management. Honestly, I didn't really learn anything new or ground breaking. Any information they taught us was pretty self explanatory or common sense. I went through it to check the box. I was a helicopter mechanic in the Air Force, and I was moved to our tool room due to knee injuries. I took over a program and had been doing logistics and managing the supply for our units chemicals and hazmat stuff. I facilitated the supply and distribution for our home unit, TDY's, and initial deployment supplies. Though the degree, on top of my experience, helped me to get a job right out of college. It didn't teach me much, but it helped my chances of getting a job.
Your company wants you to have a degree purely because then they'll know you're in debt and financially reliant on them, making it less likely you'll leave (especially if they pay for some portion of the tuition, making you feel emotionally indebted as well). It's a scam.
I'm a computer engineer and I had to do the dumbass marshmallow spaghetti thing too - nobody is safe.
Which class?
Computer science student here I fear for my future
@@Rami7605 he meant the team working exercises that pesky Hrs force every one into
Electrical engineering has the same thing.
First year into to give us all your money lol
I'm a mechanical engineer and I too, had to do the dumbass marshmallow spaghetti project
A Bachelor of Science in Business Administration (BSBA) degree is designed to provide students with a strong academic foundation in vagueness...
ah this explains why Im more confused AFTER talking about a project with a boss 🤣
Only reason im glad I got that instead of a regular Bachelor Administration degree is that I got to take less courses so I wasted less time.
So make sure to go to top 30 schools
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I dropped out of college my first semester when I was doing a business administration degree and in response my parents kicked me out of the house. 5 years later I went back to community college and got a degree an associates in Math. I transferred to a public university and did a double major in Applied Math and Physics and went on to do an MS in statistics. I work as a data scientist now.
I wish I didn't waste those 5 years but thank fucking god I didn't stick around for the business administration degree.
Hey i have a question as I’m looking through this video and happened to read ur comment. First congrats on ur achievements. Second can I ask where u did ur MS in statistics and what exactly did u learn? Thinking of going down the same path except without learning all the math. Have an undergrad in statistics currently
@@joshuakhan3409 Statistics without math?
@@joshuakhan3409 Lmao I'm dying. You do know that Statistics is a certain branch of mathematics, just different from other branches like Differential Calculus, Linear Algebra, Trigonometry, etc. In Statistics you will have to know how to do things like defining domains in large samples, identify if it yields a distribution, what kind of distribution is it, calculate distributions of large quanta of sets and other complex concepts(I've done college level statistics at my high school :Finite Mathematics despite not been a math major). Statistics in most institution is mostly going need undergrad work in Mathematics or in some Math and Science specialized colleges you will do Discrete Math w/ Statistics in undergrad if you want to do some other work where you math background is going to be secondary skill (like BioInformatics, Data Science, Machine Learning Engineering, etc) or else if you are doing Statistics in MS then eventually be solid in working in great paying fields (Nuclear Infrastructural Engineering, Quantitative Analyst, etc).
Hey man, better late than never doing it so props to you
Just started my math journey boys. My fellow anonymous online friends have convinced me. My journey now involves going back to school to get grades in Calc1-3, linear algebra, probability, and basic programming in R and Python in order to be ready to pursue my statistics masters. If I remember this post I’ll be sure to let y’all know where I’ll be at. Timeline should be 3years till completion and I’m about to turn 23 with an undergrad. I feel like I’m a lil late when looking at my peers but I’m going guns blazing into this field
Business major here: DONT DO IT! If you like business, do accounting or finance, and get a 6 month business admin certificate.
I’m majoring in MIS and minoring in management.. should I pick different degrees or drop one?
@@kourtney7881 what’s the time length of the management minor ? Are they mostly qualitative or quantitative courses? If it’s math intensive, all other things equal, it’ll probably be worth taking. Stay away from highly theoretical classes because they seldom have real work application.
@@barackobama3719 it is a combination of math, computer science, and business
@@barackobama3719
The problem is not that theory has seldom a real work application, the problem is that majority of the people don't have understanding of how and when to use those theories, because of the wrong management education.
Skiner's radical Behaviorismus does have quite real applications, yet, majority of schools don't teach that to business students.
After that one should not wonder himself, that some "theory" is not working, if one is not even aware that exists another " theory", which eliminates any attempts of intervention.
And then one becomes to hear that in "his company" participative management is not working, while in reality it is the false reinforcement that doesn't allow it to work, not the theory itself.
About to start college starting next year. Was considering majoring in business administration with a focus in finance but now I'm having second thoughts 😭😭.
My daughter who’s in second grade had that spaghetti activity as a project lol
maybe she can get credits to transfer to Algonquin College?
Lmao
I did this project during 6th grade. lol
Lmfao
@@of4765 It's a waste of food.
“Detail oriented”
“Like working with the public”
“Microsoft word certified”
These are literally all buzzwords on a wishlist for corporations.
I quite liked "enjoys paperwork." Ah, so no one then.
Like you can do some job and not be detail oriented...
That is the oral and written communications part. They teach you all the buzz words. :P
I got rejected from a programming entry level job for not having advanced skills in Excel. * facepalm *
@@Nadia1989 what a joke. There are very few reasons to do data analysis in excel if you know any sort of programming. That’s the consequence of HR hiring people based on checklists.
Please remember most of the students come from either low income households. They go to these "institutions" in hopes to be better. Most don't find out until later
True! Then you’ll be back at Walmart with $80,000 in debt because the damn school will ensure to max out your student loan from the Government for a Microsoft Word Degree or better… a course in “Diversity “ masked as a degree.😤
damn theres a reply getting shadow banned..i wonder what it is
Facts!!!! Now student loans are on my A$$
The point of BA in low end universities is to (hopefully) be a mid-level manager and do administrative stuff.
But when you get to the higher end of BA like Harvard and Wharton, the point is to network with the Elites and figure out ways to funnel their wealth into your own
This!!
@@ifigetbannedagainyoutubeis2018 wait you are not gay?!
@@Rppiano I am
I think it’s a good idea to get a degree at umich Ross they give out business administration degrees however they major companies come and Recruit from there “apple,google,Microsoft,jp Morgan” also u get to pick a specialized industry wether IB, finance, accounting, marketing.
Fax. College for most is getting knowledge or skills to be able to get a job. College at “elite” schools is about networking and a path to becoming an “elite”.
As a tangent. I’ve supervised several and worked with hundreds of ppl from so called elite schools. And I’m not impressed.
They say so many words without actually saying a single damn thing lmao.
That’s what happens when you turn educational institutions into for profit job training centres
@@alexj7440 they taught me this in Lebanese University and its high level yet "free" at less than 300$ a year, many words, little points
It's like a PoliSci degree, but without the practical applications ^^
@@alexj7440 ironically, for-profit job training centers are much better.
Because they don't get paid if they suck, unlike colleges.
@@Nerobyrne colleges shouldn’t be job training centres. They’re institutions of higher learning.
"We took a field trip to a call center, to see" where we will end up on the phone after this course.
At one time DeVry counted jobs at Best Buy or Radio Shack as “placement in the industry” for grads. Don’t know if they still do.
@@BillLaBrie lmao you serious?!?!
@@shideyafudo 100% serious.
Dang I got into best buy without a degree, guess I got lucky
I feel so sad to see the students paying thousands of dollars for tuition just to build a marshmallow tower and to learn how to use Microsoft paint for their project. :=(
They don't even.... Unless you build a set of you hand-antialiased icons for your desktop, or recreate small logo into a 20000px one without vector graphics, you don't know mspaint.😁
One thing I notice is not a single person speaking in this video seems like a leader in any way. You see these types all over corporate, they use leadership "tecniques" on us like we are objects to be manipulated, but we can all see through it instantly. It is so demotivating. A real leader would NOT need to go to school for it. It is a character trait, you are either a natural at it or you should stay out of it.
Imagine Harry Potter going to Hogwarts and instead of learning spells, he is taught about how spells exist and the history of spells.
Maybe learn to invest in spells?
That sounds like a cs degree 😂
This is the perfect description for most college degrees!
It's a nice way of stopping over abundance of graduates.
Learning how spells exist is useful for mathemathics and science degree tho
I have a Business Admin degree, and yes its dogshit.
Im a software developer now.
How’d you make the switch? Was it self taught, or did you go back to school? I’m currently finishing up my accounting degree which at least has a clear career path, but sometimes I think about getting into software development too.
Got a business degree in undergrad. In grad school for computer science now 😂
@@cjcampbell7573 How’d you do it? They’re not related at all so I’m curious
@@toonx496 Frostburg State University Applied C.S. Program. I had to take a couple prerequisite classes for my deficiency but all I needed was at least a 3.0 in undergrad to get in
@@cjcampbell7573 That’s great. Congrats. Honestly I’m in business for accounting and finance for my undergrad, but I’m already thinking about that career switch 🤣 the thing is it was offered to me 100% free so I went in for business
I've been a teller at a bank and an assistant manager at a retail store and been a manager in a warehouse. The business management program literally teach all the things I learned on the job without college.
💯
I take Business Administration with a specialization in Supply Chain Management. We learned how to write business reports, analyze case studies, be proficient in Microsoft Suite products etc. It also sparked my interest in data analysis, which took me to learn programming. And my workplace Walmart is paying for my tuition. I think everyone is free to make of life what they want.
I same I am talking a Bachelor in supply chain management, did you graduate and if you did , did you find jobs easily with good amount of salary , plz update 🙏
The point is you didn't need to major in business admin to learn all that. "Be proficient in Microsoft suites"...really dude? A couple of RUclips videos talking about how to use excel proficiently would teach you more than what you learned in class and it would have been free. Not saying you yourself will not succeed, i just think you would have succeeded regardless and could have put that tuition money into a more marketable major.
@@Mr21Lashes SO WHAT MAJORS DO WE DO. Nobody wants to say that and a lot of schools don’t offer these specialized degrees
@@davejohnson4311 Depends on what you’re interests and long term goals are. Personally I wouldn’t even think about college right now unless you plan on going into a specialized field like medicine, pharma, law, comp sci, IT, or engineering. Especially if you are taking out student loans. Not saying other degrees are not valid or interesting; only that college is so prohibitively expensive right now most other degrees would not provide a valid return on investment and you will be stuck with student debt for the rest of your lives. There is no point taking out 150k in student loans to be a history major to end up being a librarian making 40-50k a year pre tax.
Edit to add: if you’re school doesn’t offer specialized degrees then don’t go to that school or think about getting into a trade school. Trade schools have been villainized over the past few decades (with the help of the college industrial complex) and are considered “low class” when they most certainly aren’t. I’m a physician, I have friends who are in the trades that make as much if not more than me with little to no debt.
@@davejohnson4311 That's..... pretty stupid. People go to college because they are told to and also that they will fail in life without that piece of paper. Get the degree you want. If it pays nothing, that's on you.
I majored in math. Never took an accounting class in my life. I interviewed for an accounting job when I graduated and learned everything I needed to learn for the accounting job in the week leading up to my interview. Been an accountant for about 5 years now lmao.
get a CPA
Isn't that illegal?
I am from the US. Nope its not illegal. My company knows I have a degree in math. The controller of the company trained me and shared tons of his knowledge with me and even suggested I take some courses. I should mention that I am not a licensed CPA nor did I ever claim to be on my resume/jobapp. Just saying that you can land a job in finance/accounting without the degree. Just have to work for it.
You can't work as an accountant without an accountant job. Heck you can't even sign your work unless you get your RA.
Are you sure you are not just an administrator?
@@MChagall my job title is "senior accounant". I don't perform any adminstrative duties. You do not need a CPA to be work as accountant. You are just better qualified if you are.
You go to college to get a degree. That's about it. I said degree. Not to learn practical stuff. You pick up all of that at work. But, still go to college. It's how the game is played.
You summed it up pretty well
Yes, employers care about degrees.
not for long LOL
For many degrees yes, but for the mayority of science degrees such as engenireeing (?) or biochem it’s actually important
@@julii7304 I agree, but even biochem is mostly self learning. You learn the basics in school and then learn the rest through reading literature.
In my college experience I found it to be filled with unfocused business administration minors and majors with absolutely ZERO idea what that meant or what bearing it would have in their career choices. It was a just another hurdle to be overcome, an extended high school at best, a stall from the real world at worst. A focused degree is the only way to go but expecting 17-18 yr olds to have any insight at that stage is dicey at best..
my boss just posted an opening for a someone with a bus degree and the starting salary is 85k cad
I agree although I've been researching my future, career, jobs, degrees, university ECT since I was 13 so perhaps I'm ahead of the curve 😂.
As a 4th year business admin student you are 100% correct. I hate myself for listening to counselors about how “practical” my degree would be when I was in high school.
Go to grad school for a unrelated discipline or professional degree, it’s what I’m doing. Most of us were too young and naive to even consider the negative impact of a practical degree.
@@LULLYxoxo I’m a freshman. Business admin, figuring this out in time what other degree should I do
@@davejohnson4311 find something related to your interests
@@LULLYxoxo it’s business lmao. That’s why I’m in business admin but ppl act like the degree is terrible
@@davejohnson4311 if you’re genuinely interested in business, then don’t switch majors! Network with your professors and look for internships. Consider pursuing a graduate degree or certificate in the specialization you want to focus and work in like accounting, marketing, etc.
I just graduated with a finance degree here are some of the highlights:
-Took entrepreneurship from a man who had never started a business
- took micro economics from a teacher who didn’t know how it was different from macro economics.
-had a 60 years old, career long teacher who taught business organization. Turns out he had never worked a job outside of teaching
All in all I could had learned everything from college in 6 months instead of 4 years
Univiersities attract this type of people who got stuck in education system and never worked a day in a real company. It should be prohibited for people whithout real experience teach anything or they should give a disclaimer: this course is taught by a person who have never had a real job.
Have a degree in finance with conce tration in investment banking. Graduated with a 3.8, yet dont know shit about fiannce.
Thats why you should not go to shitty uni's
@@plantiron same haha
@@asdasdd320 the funny thing is that I got it from Mississippi College. A private Christian school who claims they are the most prestigious school in Mississippi
I though that spaghetti towers were for 1st semester architecture students lol
Yeah, that was just weird.
I did that shit in sophomore year of high school lol
Such a scam
if someone actually had to do this as part of a degree then they should seriously reconsider some things
I thought it was for reserved for Corporate Cringe
I made a similar mistake for an IT and technology program at college in Virginia. I paid over 3000 dollars for a semester to be taught such skills as:
How to use Microsoft Word / PowerPoint.
Basic HTML markup.
Identifying computer hardware.
And many other “skills” readily accessible on RUclips and Udemy for pennies compared to what I just paid the college. My web design “professor” lectured for perhaps 15 minutes reading directly from a PowerPoint he didn’t make, and told us to practice on the FREE W3C website to see what the different tags did for the web page. I dropped that shit like a bag of rocks. I’m so glad I didn’t stay and keep paying for the most unfunny joke I’ve had played on me.
As someone with a business admin degree transitioning to software development, this is funny af 😂😂😂
Never saw such enthusiam in an ad. People are almost saying "kill me"
lol they have given up lmao it's one sad college, they can't even put a sentence together properlt
Maybe because they know that the classes are only useful for that piece of paper that you might get at the end of the class/degree.
apparently neither can you 😂
You'd be surprised at how many international students take these courses and end up regretting , or shall I say end up regretting X4 as they pay X4 the domestic fees. (at least in Canada)
@@hhattonaom9729 that's part of the joke
The exploitation of these people should be criminal.
Too bad it’s great for business
@@alexj7440 they don't know they're the clients (students) loool
It's not because of state law
Dude, I had to take one of these entrepreneurship courses as an elective during my Electrical Engineering undergraduate program. The only good thing I got out of it was it maintained my overall GPA with relative ease. I feel genuinely bad for these kids.
I will never forget when I looked at my 40-60s coworkers, who sank yearrss of their lives into Sears, and thought, "I'm going to college to *not* end up like you"
IDK WHY YOU'D GO TO COLLEGE JUST TO WORK RETAIL LMAOOOOOO. Hope she meant some kind of skilled, higher end position. Though let's be honest here she probably didn't :/
@@dianebrooks1859 She meant that she worked at Sears prior to going to college, and the co-workers who were older (their 40's - 60's) were inspiration to go to college and not end up like them.
This is what I learned in my 20s: most universities don't teach you actual skills, they just want your money. Most tech job positions don't require you to have a degree, they just want your skills. It's called the Game of Life, and you can only learn the rules by playing the game without knowing the rules.
"Most tech jobs dont require a degree" okay buddy
I meant to say most developer jobs don't require a degree. I'm not saying none of them do, but I often see open positions that are okay with a high school degree and experience in the used tech stack. I also see many self-taught developers who didn't go to college. Having a degree doesn't mean you can build something useful and maintainable, it's just a certification that you completed the school requirements which are very different from job requirements.
That depends what you major in lol
@@archrodney "most self taught developers" will tell you it isnt a walk in park to get these jobs especially when the level entry is a bachelor's degree
@@glamglam8347 It's not easy but certainly possible to learn what it takes to be a good developer. A degree can only give you the basics for that but then again you don't need school to learn the basics. All I'm saying is that verifiable experience is more valuable than a CS degree alone and those dev positions that don't require a degree reflect exactly that.
This is the reality of college and the reality is that HR doesn't care, they want it see the paper.
the reality is HR themselves are only there to do unimportant exagerated tasks, and they all get in with only communication skills and (some) college degree. They Don't (in 99.9999999% of the cases) jackshit about tech, as far as I know...
@@pladimir_vutin interesting opinion.
@@pladimir_vutin the role of an HR is as relevant as swimming on land.
The problem with corporate HR
Is they don’t understand the needs of the employer because they don’t actually make or do anything.
HR should be populated by people who have done the jobs they are seeking to fill. The problem is just like work at home nobody has the balls to make it happen to they are forced to.
HR is a legal arm of any company. They need to know laws. Their function is to defend and protect the company and the company's practices, and do so in a court of law if necessary.
Excellent video! I love your "No BS allowed" approach! Instant new subscriber! I'm one of many getting increasingly tired of the whole corporate circus.
I've been bingeing your channel for the past few days. I learned so much and I love it. You have given me a different perspective.
Those are the people who one day wake up with a "genius" startup idea and go out in a search of a developer who will develop it for 1% equity.
@조강성 naaah not in the future ^^
What man would accept that
@@MrDiMES123 They call them "passionate" aka love the work or the project more than money aka cheap hire. You'll always find people to abuse others and they exist because there are those others available to abuse. You'll probably always be able to find those with a "genius business idea", but no skill. At these same time, you'll always find people willing to work for less. Know your worth, be strong, seek respect and be accountable. What man would accept that? One of those kinds is the one that don't know they are not responsible for other's failure.
Those are the people who one day wake up with a "genius" startup idea that has no basis in reality and violates known physics. They then go out in a search of a developer or engineer who will create it and refuse to accept that it is not possible.
There, I fixed it for you.
Tell that to Elon Musk babeyy! Exactly what he did for SpaceX or Tesla (almost exactly)
"I really like numbers and thinking thoughts"
What colour are the numbers? How do they make you feel?
And that's 1 potential mathematician wasted in bullshit
I don’t think I ever laughed so hard at a RUclips comment. 🤣
Kids just need to know colors, shapes, and basic hygiene. Everything after that is just liberal propaganda.
The only business knowledge these professors have is how to conn students into taking their course. You can learn sales in any other business.
It’s not about sales it’s about learning management which u will do, no one talks about the cofounders in major companies that did take a business course in college, and best believe they played just as big of a role in the business startup
@@Aboguaboga If you can't handle sales, you probably can't handle a business. Fundamentals.
@@Iron-Bridge lmao I got a different sales job as a marketing rep, I still network but I’m not limited to only ppl Ik and ppl that family or friends know. But vector did get my foot in the door. So I’m no longer just getting deals bc ppl r tryna do me a favor
Lol the presentation here is one of a kind, the non-try hard request for the viewer to like and subscribe followed by the relaxed outro music really sold me 👏 this was golden
These degrees exist because ...
a) Our K-12 educational system has failed, completely, to provide an actual education to the majority of students.
b) Related to a), most colleges have abandoned the mission to provide a liberal arts education focused towards critical thinking, problem solving, and new ideas. They're instead finishing the job that a high school education was supposed to provide, while simultaneously trying to fill the need for vocational training.
c) Most corporate employers won't provide even the most basic training and mentorship to new hires.
d) Parents, desperate to keep their kids out of bottom-of-the-barrel-no-future jobs, will force their kids and pay anything to ensure they get "a degree" any degree, no matter what.
I feel bad for these kids, they were deprived of a quality education in high school and are now launching into a very difficult life path.
Exactly. And the job market will only continue to get worse and worse as more people get their degrees.
The straw that personally broke my back was, “Microsoft word cert “
Hey, you are only allowed to take that *after* graduation.
Lmao
You'll definitely be the cream of the crop with that cert, that's for sure 😂
My mom was a student back in the 70s and has a State Government Typewriter Certification. That probably has more value than a Microsoft Word Certification.
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I am pursing my MBA while still loving this video; great points. People need to understand without related work experience the degree is just fluff.
I know some people who go back for an MBA after working as an engineer for 10-15 years. Their goal is to move up in the company who is paying for their education.
@@cluerip that’s a great strategy for a lot of people. I work in real estate so unfortunately there’s not many of those opportunities in my field .
Yep, I stopped in the middle of my Business Administration agree when I learned that it just trains you to be an employee...
This college is a scam. Those kids are wasting their time.
It’s not the college it’s the major
They look and sound so depressed
And money
Funny, wasting time is also what they said of kids who don’t go to college.
@@burtonl7239 that is true if you don’t do anything to try to learn but that major is just trash
I have a $20,000 communications degree and it’s my biggest regret in life
What do u for a living ?
I am trying to get ideas.
I have a completely useless life science degree lol
20000 is so cheap tho 😩
20k isn't bad. You can also cover that cost doing freelance writing, writing on Medium in your spare time, or blogging, which are all communications, in 1-2 years. I have a degree in French. Now THAT was worthless 😞
Me too! I kick myself for it often. Lol smh
Why couldnt you go work in Marketing!? Maybe you need to get some little Extra skills, but it should be ez
The amount of sincerity and energy I get from these student testimonials is just insane!
I mean you picked the lowest most generic BA degrees from unknown, trash tier colleges ;of course they are going to be trash ! Degrees in Business Analytics, Finance, Accounting ,Economics, Management Information Systems are not "useless" ( I have never seen a Biology graduate getting a CPA out of undergrad ) . The college is also very important, a finance student at Wharton or LSE is surely not going to be a "retail manager ".
I just graduated with a bus admin degree and can safely say 95% of my classes were useless...unfortunately the only thing that really matters is building your network and having connections
Yup same here.its all about connections esp now days
Finance, accounting, econ and stats were useless too?
U mean ur school was useless. Business admin is legit. But u should have a minor or major. Or both.
Same. Blew so much now getting on track to get degree in IT
Were you able to find a job though?
I got a degree in Business Administration with a major in Marketing and now I am a web designer/developer. Weeeeee!
How you made that switch ?
U went back to school for CS ?
@@waelsaad588 Nope, self taught html/css/js and applied to my job at the time (stepped up from sales to doing the online marketing). When I finished my BA degree I applied to an interactive agency starting as accounting manager, then learned UX/UI, and gaining project experience. A year later I started my own company. Many paths to success.
Nice
Not getting any job with my BA degree, currently learning HTML/CSS/JS as well, haha. Hoping I can get a job in the web design/developer field this year. Fingers crossed.
Smart!
As a person with a degree in Business Administration, this is so true but unfortunately a lot of companies won’t hire you without having a degree. I learned more on the job and through my own self learning helped gain the sales skills needed to do my job. It’s just something used as a barrier of entry to a lot of these corporate positions.
I am so glad I am subscribed to your channel. Brilliant content. Building something and being passionate about it is what pays both mentally and monetarily. Business administration degree can only help for becoming a mid level manager at a large corporate setting.
Man its going to be tough when they get out of college and suddenly when going to an interview they realize that their knowledge adds little to no value to any company.
They can bring in their 5penny spaghetti stick tower
Depends if they didn't take an internship during their undergrad years.
@@christinephelps3653 How can an adult rationalize assembling such a thing that an average 8th grader would consider to be beneath them? Imagine paying even a paltry sum of $200 for the class tuition at a CC and to have this shit appear as a class activity. Even worse when some students are mid 20's or more.
@@eisenkrieg553 Yeah I would be offended, even if I was 18 lol But they mask it as "fun" so everybody goes along..
If you look closely, they even signal it in the name. The Business Administration Degree is literally a BAD!
Probably because they are too general. Mine is a business administration degree too but with an option to specialize in either finance, management or marketing so I should be well of!
This comment is underrated
@@untitledmixture1531 gtfo
@@Lazymath007_ that’s tough my man. Best of luck.
@@Lazymath007_ but usually business degrees are good if u know how to manipulate them for ur own benefit cuz business is one of the highest paying careers put there including medical and engineering ( if u damn good at it)
Simply loving that Taxidermy page in the background of the marshmallow/noodle challenge. Either someone was subtly trying to call for help, or it's an unintended but fabulous metaphor. Something about taking out all of a person's inner light and dreams then manipulating their corpse into something that looks good for the public really seem on the nose for both empty degrees and shitty jobs...
I truly understand your point Joshua Fluke when you ask "what" or "how". Those things are less mentioned in PVs. I did had an interview which serves as a material for a PV and when I look at the end product... "It's all business connection... Where are the sections I mentioned which can help analyzing data for electrical field (which has the example of comparing grounding sites)?". Didn't contact them though but I sure told my educator that this can be waste of money to promote the university as its less useful than the university's pamphlets.
Most college professors have never own their own business. So why would you learn and listen to them???
This is true. However, there are a lot who have. I'm sure it depends on the university. I have a communications degree and an MBA. My professors included a founding partner of one of the largest law firms in our state, a venture capitalist who sold his business to an A-list celebrity, the founder of one of our largest IT firms (that he sold for an insane amount), an accounting professor who was a practicing CPA, a former partner and creative director of one of our city's largest ad agencies... I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting. I also had one MBA class where each class was a lecture by a well-known CEO of either publicly-traded companies, or huge private companies. It wasn't anything like the stuff in this video.
Those who can't do, teach ...
@@connieb.6061 mine hired fully tenured staff. I had most professors worked for another company for x many years before being a professor most have a MBA. I only had one professor that had a PHD.
How many rocket scientists own their own rockets?
@@PACXS that's what makes them rocket scientist. Because you actually have to own or have experience working on a rocket. Yeah dah lmao
I got my degree in Business Administration in 2012. The courses covered a broad range of topics including accounting, marketing, business law, finance, economics, statistics, ethics, strategy, and lots of time spent on MS Office. I was able to leverage my degree to start a career in finance, which I really enjoy. It worked out well for me, but I also understand the criticism from this video. Those commercials are cringey.
Basically the guy in the video is stupid he didn't knew anything about business admin degree... Business Administrations gives you many opportunities and broad knowledge of management. Business Admin is the only degree by which we can go in so many different careers!
@@nycto16 CIO/CTO/CISO positions prefer employees to have MBAs. Sure having IT experience and BS in Comp Sci MIGHT get you in but if you want those C level jobs you HAVE to have some sort of BA degree. But if you are getting a BA for Accounting and stuff.....yeah that is the wrong degree bud and these poor people are overpaying for something they aren't going to use at it's full potential. I'd recommend BA only for people who want to go for C level exec jobs or mid-high management jobs that need BAs, and IF THEY NEED them or require it. People should not get a BA to be some low level manager or accountant go to a community college for all that.
@@cipher136 Yes you are right business administration degree is best choice for getting into upper management and C level jobs. Accounting is basically a whole another field.
@Charles_Bukowski I don't get paid for anything. It's my own perspective and experience. Business Administration is an amazing degree with highest demand and salary prospect.
@Charles_Bukowski You should write in simple words right? I'm 1st year Business Administration student, I don't know about these things right now.
Thank you, I am going into accounting because I see a need in the market place thanks for making this video.
My major is General Business. Most employers want you to have a degree especially if you don’t have experience. You can always take extra continuing education courses to enhance your accounting skills to get better positions.
It's also sad at the same time seeing these young folks, who are trying to get better in life legitimately, but they're on a wrong path.
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Right? It's such blatant exploitation from the college.
@@ZephyrinSkies Horrible course, I did Business Management & Administration, it was pretty much everything I learned at 11yrs old in books and online, I basically would run through every assignment/course section, I finished year 1 extremely early but was told I still needed to attend from time to time for attendance purposes until one of my teachers basically did me the favour of just marking me in until the following year.
It doesn't teach you anything practical about business or anything that will be useful whatsoever especially if you want to build a successful business or company. I didn't have the patience to advance to the next year and dropped out, if I could choose again, I would pick something completely different that would've been more useful or given me an easy entry barrier into investment banking & private equity which is basically the space I'm in now.
Possibly would've done some Programming Engineer course which would've made it easier for me to build startups or something along the lines of that. That entire BA course is a complete scam. Most people with that degree will be lucky to see over 40-50k a year. The most useful part of college nowadays is the networking opportunities and if you go to a great college or university, you may be able to pick the brains of some great professor and still network with other students that will go on to do great things.
Yeah, that's the part that infuriates me. The guy at the start wants to learn something useful and they give him this kindergarten crap. To add insult to injury, then he's the one challenged with justifying how it taught him anything.
@@ZephyrinSkiesthe parents are to blame, and it goes all the way back to K-12 babysitting
They all come off as insanely boring people... a perfect fit for corporations!
Might be different in the USA, but I follow international business administration here in the Netherlands. This study is specifically set up so that you can access every economics and business masters programme after graduating. So if you want to do something with business, but don't know what. You learn something about all aspects of it and can get into a more specific study later. Masters include: supply chain management, marketing analytics, finance, accountancy.
Also a Dutchie here,the educational system in NL for Business is much more practical (maybe less since Covid-19) but this degree really isn’t a joke in this country
Same in Brazil. You can work in a lot of different fields, from marketing to HR.
I really appreciate your video ...completely right ... thanks a lot to enforce my thoughts about worthless of MBA it doesn't lead you tova specific skills requiredcto operate your own business
business administration is the theater degree of business degree 😂😂
Probably because they are too general. Mine is a business administration degree but I with an option to specialize in either finance, management or marketing so I should be well of!
All business degrees suck. All of them. You are paying 12 semesters of FAFSA with little income to lock yourself out of science, doctor, engineering, and quant fiance.
@@Doritos-ik5eu bruh how can you say that? Business degrees are highly employable and lucrative. Literally every corporation needs accountants, financial analysts, consultants, HR managers and marketers. There is honestly no valid reason how a business degree can potentially be useless?? Out of the top 10 billionaires in the world, 5 of them have a business degree. Also dont forget engineers are hired by businesses. Businesses are literally everywhere and there is no doubt they are the best. It doesnt end there; business degrees teach you a set of valuable skills such as how to save, budget and invest at an early age which is more likely to make you a millionaire, as well as also teaches you the skills needed to open your own business. Business degrees is like one of the most important degrees out there :)
@@Doritos-ik5eu no everyone can get one of those degrees I wanted engineering but I had to work 40 hours a week and the only degree I could get in less than 4 years working that much was a business degree and so far I can’t complain I’m happy I choose business no everyone can be an engineer or a doctor
@@danielr951 I am only referring to the trash biz degree in my college which is 141 units long. All easy braindead classes.
This is actually filled me with sadness... I assume the people in the ad are who contribute to why the US has such a massive student loan taking/paying off problem
Dude the gap in skills amongst people who go to college from the best and most intelligent students to the people in this video is so huge. Really sad honestly
the reality is so much worse than this ad suggests
It’s indoctrination dumb the American people down to spaghetti noodle status then china can take over. Oh wait........
No, they have a loan problem because they have to pay 50-300k just to go to college. While in the rest of the europe in most countries you dont have to pay a single dime and in countries like UK max is like 50k.
@@exapsy that's because fools get phds in basketweaving. College in the us isn't that bad if you are lower class and go in-state.
I did Business Admin initially because it seemed broad and that a LOT of people sign up for it. My emphasis became Computer Information Systems and that's when things really started to become good. I learned a lot, landed an amazing job and I would definitely do it all again. HOWEVER, I definitely do not think college is for everyone and I think the sooner people can figure out whether or not they will find value in it or not, the better.
Great video great point you really nailed it that that experience is much more important than just generalized education
As a UX Designer seeing that logo being designed in Paint made me literally throw my desk chair out my window. It didn’t hit anybody, thankfully, but you owe me a chair, Josh.
Imagine handing your Front-end Developer a Paint file to work off of. I would throw my UX Designer out the window after the chair.
@@crestinglight I would throw everyone out of the building.
Hey Emi! How did you become a UX Designer and what does your day to day job look like?
@@crestinglight What Paint files? Paint only saves to regular image formats as far as I know.
@@Rppiano forget the people. I will yeet the building as well.
I majored in Business Administration. Hands down my biggest regret ever.
Oof
@Grosso Modo its true. Companies need to justify not giving the job to someone else and giving it to you. The degree is an officially recognized piece of paper. Whether the knowledge is useful or not is secondary.
@@infidelcastro6687 depends on the degree but a STEM degree from a 4 yr university =/= a 4 year high school degree. Shit's not the same
@Grosso Modo your comment was literally "college is useless. College is important."
You don't seem to understand that literally the only reason it was useful was because someone else thought it was.
So, if you had just given the HR lady a check for 1000 bucks to actually interview you, you'd be better off.
This is BS.
Same here waste of a degree
Aww, you broke my heart when I saw Algonquin College featured in your video. It's generally a good school and my anecdotal experience was positive. It's a community college and not a university. I get that. I studied computer science there and it led to a promotion that doubled my income. Their trades, commerce, nursing and police training are all pretty good. That ad for them just made me cringe. It totally undersells their serious commerce and accounting programmes. The funny thing is that I don't do much coding. There's more money and less stress on the business side of project and program management.
My Bachelors was in Business Administration. It vaguely teaches lots of different subjects which need to be taught as a separate degree to be properly learned. However I studied BA because I didn’t know what I wanted to study. I only knew I wanted to go to university. Luckily for me trough BA I found I have a passion for finance and decided I want to become a financial analyst. That would not have happened if I didn’t study BA so I’m glad I did even if it was poorly taught
This doesn't seem funny, this is sad. This 'college' should be ashamed.
I think all them and we can find more examples out there like these that are trying to "steal" your money and time as if we've got endless amount of it
And the more sad part is that the victims think that they are investing in themselves
Damn I feel kinda bad for these kids, they seem to be so harmless and these colleges are just ripping into their wallets and drowning them in debt with useless degrees, so sad that these kids really believe in what there doing hope at least a few of them manage to get their business up and running.
18-22 y.o. people are really just kids with adult(ish) bodies. don't expect too much.
@@1MinuteFlipDoc which is crazy since 18-22yo used to conquer empires and run entire kingdoms in the past now they can barely brush their teeth’s
Is something in the water??
@@Shadow-il7xh yeah the top 1% of the top 1% not every 18-22yo back then was doing that lmao, the modern day equivalent of those people is people like Zuckerberg, bill gates, who literally created companies as big and wealthy as empires while in their teens. times have changed, and I think for the better.
@@1MinuteFlipDoc bro 18-22 year old used to have whole families & be war generals
@@MrDiMES123 yeah and most 18-22 year olds were doing stuff like farming/agriculture. You don’t need literacy and education for subsistence farming.
I really like the video. Would like to see you punch up and challenge the business administration degree of some of the more popular and famous colleges. It’s good for views too!
I think this depends on the college. I took a Information systems minor at my college and it had 3 classes on accounting and some on management. It def helped me score my current job as an ERP developer as I focus on the Finance and Operations of the software so you should understand how accounting works and how to develop misc things to work with the prexisiting platform.
When that lady said after college you can be a bank teller I started laughing. You can be a bank teller right out of high school if you wanted.
You could probably be a bank teller in high school.
@@deadreckoner5276 no. Insurance reasons.
@@deadreckoner5276 and I know that because my business admin degree 😌
I went to walmart and the walmart bank thing was hiring right in the fking walmart. Like... they would unironically hire high schoolers/grads as long as you didn't have drug charges or any money crimes.
right out of elementary school
I have this useless degree. It's just ticks off the requirement of college degree for some jobs. I'm older, so it wasn't that expensive. So it paid for itself.
yea most companies care less what major especially when you have lot of experience
I used to work at Target, and you had to have "a" bachelor's to advance. This degree was made for that type of employer.
Is it a good career?
@@justynamaria0333 I've had a couple careers. They all pay the Bill's and a little more.
Most companies just want you to have a degree and most will train you on the job to gain the skills.
This is a great video, insightful for people deciding what to do for college or going into a trade. I learned throughout college pretty early to major in something you will get ROI. And don’t get me started with a masters! What a waste of time and money in most majors
You are so right Josh!! Many college degrees are worthless in the real world! Business Administration, being one of them. I wish I had learned this when I was younger!!
Most of the students sound so dead inside lol, accurate description of college
Literal facts. I have a masters and not one company will give me a job because of my lack of experience. I genuinely feel all the years I spent in school were a total waste
Masters on what?
That's why I decided to enter the workforce before considering a graduate degree.
Same but bachelors. Hell even volunteering applications require me to provide work references. Jesus christ how do you say no to free labor?
@Joshua Fluke One thing that was very valuable that many students do not take advantage of in College, was the chances to utilize free money for travel to conferences, for expos, and mock interview sessions with employers. The University I went to was a state university and was well known for its strong employer presence.
I have been able to learn much more from the real world opportunities and experiences going to D.C. three times, Tallahassee (Florida's Gator Politician Capital), and being involved in some lobbying, and other shadowing experiences in the political and business startup space. The coursework was standard, but I never would have likely had this unique access to those opportunities without having the backing of my college, or the resources to travel without a lot of free money at the time.
These poor students. I actually went to community college for my first semester. It was way better than this nonsense and all of my credits transferred to UMass Amherst.
I feel like my community college was better than these schools as well. All my credits transferred over to my 4 yr school.
Knew a girl that got a degree in Psychology, full scholarship, to UCLA, that started at a bank as a teller. Seems a total waste of a scholarship. The best education is on the job training. A degree is an expensive piece of paper to wipe your butt with. It' pretty worthless, you've been sold a bill of goods. Learn a trade. Much more valuable.
@@brandonwisco i shit you not, im 19 years old i did a semester undecided at community college then did a year as a union electrician, not exactly my tea. Going back to school for CS this time with an actual plan
@@brandonwisco Maybe you should just work the pipeline, if you need college CS curriculum to get into the software industry
When I was in school, the administrative assistant of our department told me that schools encourage students to take easy programs so that they can keep their pass and retention rates high so that they get more government funding. Meanwhile, our department suffered great losses while the business school got all of the funding and a nice building. We were the computer science department which is probably one of the most valuable of all degrees in a school.
Ignore the guy pretending to be Joshua, is a fake account
Computer Science is a good degree
@@CaptApril123 I am a retired hardware man myself but I have been told that a strong well documented portfolio of programs done is also needed to get on well in programming. IT and software development is a very difficult subject because of the need to monetise and protect your work as it progresses and the need to know enough about your chosen sector so as not to re-invent the wheel by writing solutions that already exist. People will steal your hard work, you need to be able to protect it. Many programmers will already have written solutions to cover your brief, find them and, if possible, use them . Read the lives of famous IT people such as Bill Gates, he is a lawyer by profession. That tells you all you need to know about IT.
Also they get rid of you if you will tarnish their “pass rates”. I’m in graduate school at a low rank uni and I’m not doing well because my topic was changed by incompetent supervisors so now they are trying to get rid of me because I won’t finish on time and if I don’t, it will contribute to lower pass rate for doctoral programs and they don’t want that. Academia is a money making institution.
Dude, you're my favorite YT channel right now.
I love all this READING! suscribed
I just want to give these students a hug. They don't know what they're in for 😔
My friend used to say that people do an MBA to go from rich to rich with a degree.
Great series, brother!
This is a hilarious video that hit close to home for me. These same types of folks work in my company and they come in from "community universities" and then try to compete in the lab with Ph.Ds from Top Tier Research 1 Universities who have published peer reviewed journal articles in the field they are actively working in. The sad part about it is, the managers don't know enough to be able to separate these two disparate groups of individuals!
Funny, I have a 2 yr degree in electric engineering + a 5 yr degree in product design / industrial design and an MBA with a major in finance. I would say the most useful of all of those degrees is actually the mba. And the main reason for anyone to hire me was my knowledge in business.
Exactly. This RUclipsr, while entertaining, does not actually give very good advice.
Yeah either you’re lying or your stem degrees aren’t from a good school/you had bad grades…..Electric engineers have better job prospects than MBA candidates so stop lying!
My step dad is a boomer who did 4 years in military then, just because he had a great voice, he got an offer to become a news reporter, makes more than median wage, not super rich but good pay with no education. I saw a girl I worked with at Starbucks like 3 years ago, she took 5 years to complete her degree because she switched major to architecture and went to Starbucks and saw her still there. She graduated in 2018. I told my parents how shitty that is, you spend years trying to just break into the job field you want and then all that wasted time to still not get anywhere. Then they tell me “that’s how it works. You don’t get something right off the bat after college” and I’m like, this damn boomer is shitting me, he got handed his career, no college. It’s dumb how older generations think it’s fine that younger generations are in debt and can’t afford a house or so on. The other issue is people are living longer and retiring later, so there is lack of jobs available to young adults but older gens don’t care 🙄
1. Stop hating your stepdad. Just because your tv tells you to hate "boomers" doesnt mean you should. and 2. stop voting for democrats- they are the reason everything is expensive and the world sucks right now.
@@jenniferanderson3959 1. I don't vote for Democrats so don't assume just because I'm young I like socialism or communism and who falls for social issues the Democrats use to sway people to think they're somehow better
2. I work with old people for living, that's my job. Not all are the same but that's how some of them are. Just like how some like to say millennials are entitled which isn't ok either.
My point is, their reasoning was very off to say "you got to start somewhere" you don't go to college and spend years of your life because it wasnt not starting somewhere, in this case it was her going no where. She didn't get to get into an entry level job in that industry or in another industry but still works blue collar job.
I don't think paying for students tuition is the solution, but in the past tuition was lower and colleges need to stop increasing tuition because the money is going towards administration cost and buildings. I have seen my colleges and other colleges building new building. And saying how wonderful it is they're getting a new $35 million dollar building and completing it through covid. What's the point? No one can even attend classes in person, that's another issue in itself
@@strawberryshortgirl2637 Well then I stand corrected, apologies for jumping to conclusions. 👍
@@jenniferanderson3959 it's ok, I understand why what I wrote can lead to further speculation
@@strawberryshortgirl2637 very true, the "boomer" generation for the most part, can't see the Huge difference between generations, so they can't relate and understand why is so much more difficult now to get a job in your pursued field. Back then the purchase power of each person on average was not even comparable, at 25 you could afford to have a house/car/family and not be buried in debt, and not many ppl would go to college so if u had a college degree back then you could land a job for life almost, + the economy, unemployment, tuition fees, etc.. Ofc I'm generalizing a bit but you get the gist.
Bank teller positions are now becoming absolute. I say that because even though those jobs are entry level, your still required to get cash handling experience and those jobs you have to take in order to become a teller are being phased out. What I mean is they are becoming automated by way of touch screen, apps for a business, or no one does cash handling instead or just serve food or clean the bathrooms. At the height of the pandemic i applied for every part time financial institution in my area as a teller and they all said the same thing but not said directly, your required to have cash handling experience. Even though those jobs are entry level and were in need so bad that was a sign on bonus.
Lol. Your face for the retail part...i still work retail and i hate it. Its evident you can never make a realistic income unless your a salaried manager.
I am currently looking at taking one as after step from my history program. Most of my fields require a graduate degree to go into just to get hired because of the psychological & medical information and I find it's easier to go back for a 2nd degree for a BSBA for HR so that I can get into one of the offices that say the require it just to be hired. Most places I applied to that say entry level office work, they all want you to have 1-3+ years just to be hired....it just seems like an endless cycle. But I thank you for your honesty. 👍
I got a BBA to check the box. I also got degrees that supported my BBA. Just honestly, the main reason I got a job out of college at a fortune 500 is because I had academic awards, a high GPA, and other experiences that make my resume stand out. This particular degree is very broad, so I think you need to have extra stuff to back it up. Everyone I know who got a good job had other things going for them.
Yep. Only went for the CPA and only got the job because of my high GPA and internships. You need to have some sort of professional goal in mind beyond the degree or you're just another person with a degree.
@@jacobg8640 This is exactly what I meant! Thank you for articulating it better than I could!!!!
agreed, people who aim for the career from day 1 and move their ass, get internships, participate and do stuff DO get jobs
I feel so sorry for these people, they seem to know that this degree is not empowering in the real world, but they have been in it for too long to admit it
Like Camille paglia said decades ago they went along to get along. Craven gutless lemmings. Sad.
Late reply but they are still in better shape that liberal arts or humanities majors
Thanks so so much Josh. These for profit jokes are so insidious.
I got a BS in Business Administration from Cal in the late 1980's. The business school gave you a choice of 5 "emphases" in the major: accounting, finance, marketing, real estate and organizational behavior. I majored in accounting and finance (90% of undergrads at the time did this, and for good reason I think). This is the most useful and immediately employable combination. Got my CPA shortly thereafter. Though I hated accounting, I used everything I learned in both accounting and finance the rest of my career. So overall a good choice for me. Marketing, org. behavior and real estate, as an undergrad, however, I think aren't nearly as useful or as employable.
In the 80s degrees was so useful. There werent so competition as today. Now you have years of experience that is most valuable than a piece of paper that millions of papel already have (literally)