I recently started using this method and can say it's far more streamlined and makes more sense. Thanks for this video, it describes a lot in the way of setup.
Nice video. I have one question regarding your hand position when donating the primary regulator. Would it be preferential not to cover up the purge button with your hand ? By positioning your hand on the hose alongside the second stage it would enable the out of air diver to clear the regulator if they are unable to exhale to clear it. Once again good job on the video.
I switched to a long hose configuration last fall. I only got a couple dives in before winter hit. I want to refresh my memory before getting back in the water. This was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
It is happened to me , i was in gas lost in 30 m depth , then my body gave me with long hose 2 m , it was great success , we were able to make it up to safety stop easily.
Great video thank you. Little note 12:42 you do cover purge button which is incorrect hold the hose instead while donating. Otherwise the person out of air not able to purge it to have a first breath in.
Hey there. Good eye. Yes, holding onto the hose is good practice. In many cases when long hose sharing, you are handing the regulator off to the diver, not actually putting it in the divers mouth, in this case the out of air diver is in control of the regulator once you hand it off. If I am dealing with a less experienced diver then I would manage the situation differently. Thanks for the feedback. It is definitely a good discussion point.
I had the same thought about the handoff. It doesn't matter if the recipient is taking it or if the donor is putting in recipients' mouth. Never cover the purge.
Really great thorough video! The inflator and inflator hose look like they are strapped (bungied) down. How will you be able to lift it over your head to purge your wing? Do you remove it out of the bungie or does it slide through when you lift it?
That is a good question. The bungee is there to hold the inflator in the same position at all times. When you need to use the inflator, you can keep it in the bungee and just hold it up (stretching out the bungee). The inflator does not need to go over your head to function properly. Underwater, if you are in proper trim, then you can still use the inflator (deflator), you can just arch up and raise your left shoulder a little and the air will come out fine. This can be done without breaking trim. As an alternative, divers will also use the wing dump located on the inside of the bottom left part of the wing (if using a standard wing that comes with a backplate).
Amazing video! I arrived here through a somewhat circuitous route while putting together my first scuba setup and looking at Air2 on the SP Hydros Pro, and several forum posts mentioned using a longhose setup since Air2 is primary-donate. It was great to see longhose on a real person and see all of the different routing concerns, and with that I could see how having the Air2 as a secondary would potentially cause crossed hoses if for some reason the primary's head/neck loop wasn't fully deployed before retrieving the Air2. If I do go for Air2 I'm now thinking the medium hose (44" or 48") with a swivel as recommended in several forum posts would be a better option. Love the recommendation about the Apeks retainer bar too! Eventually in order to extend the dive season I'll be looking at a traditional secondary reg as well for colder dives, but before fully joining team longhose-and-necklace I have to ask if this setup presents any risk of people pulling your mask off along with the primary second stage? People's instinct to grasp wildly at the primary despite training is what has me interested in Air2/primary donate in the first place, and I could see that frantic tugging ripping the mask off as the hose drags across the back of one's head - any thoughts? Sorry for the long comment and thanks in advance!
Hi Alexis. Thank you for your comment and questions. I have to tell you, I personally am not an advocate for the "Air 2" style system for sharing air. Even if you use a longer hose as your primary to make donating easier, in my opinion, Air 2's still have some inherent issues. In the general sense, they are larger and bulkier than a standard LPI so would be considered less streamlined. They may be more challenging to grab and manipulate with one hand, especially in cold water with dry gloves. Air 2's are also not very good breathers compared to a standard regulator. In an air sharing situation, although you may be able to get your primary off to your dive buddy effectively given your thought process of using a longer hose, the regulator that you are expected to use is not easily available to you, especially in a potentially stressful situation such as an out of air scenario. In order to find air, you will need to look down to locate your Air 2 which will potentially cause you to lose awareness to your buddy as well as general situational awareness to your surroundings. Even if for a brief moment, this can still cause a stressful situation to escalate. It also leaves too much for potential error as the Air 2 may be caught up in something and not where you expect to find it. After donating your primary, this could leave you in a precarious situation. Lastly, once you do get the Air 2 in your mouth, you now need to manipulate your buoyancy with the same device that your are breathing from. This could make buoyancy control more awkward. In comparison, if you have a good performing back up regulator secured with a bungee necklace, you always have an easy to access regulator available. You can locate it by feel without changing your focus on your buddy and your surrounding environment. It can also be useful in other circumstances aside from air sharing. Regulator recovery is as easy as grabbing your backup regulator from around your neck, then you can find your primary at your leisure. Let's say you are shore diving and you trip and fall in the water without your primary regulator in your mouth, you can find your backup regulator. As far as your comment about people pulling off your mask along with your primary second stage. I am speculating that you are referencing having the long hose catch your snorkel as you donate? If this is what you mean, then the quick answer is that a snorkel is typically not secured to your mask when using a long hose set up. If you feel like you will need a snorkel, then you can consider a pocket snorkel, or find a way to stow your snorkel while diving yet still have it accessible on the surface. If you are using proper gas management, then you can also consider the fact that you should have enough air in your cylinder to allow you to breath on the surface via your regulator. I realize that there a lot of comments by divers and instructors about divers coming up and ripping regulators out of mouths in an out or air situation. I certainly will not deny that there is not potential that this can happen, however, I personally have not read any reports or studies that back this up. This mind set really just helps you be prepared for the worst case scenario. To play devil's advocate, one could argue that the majority of divers are trained to seek out the "Yellow" octopus and since they have practiced this, their muscle memory could kick in and grab the regulator that they were trained to grab. When diving a with a long hose, I make a special emphasis to explain that a diver should either signal out of air or just come up and grab my primary if out of air as part of the predive plan. You can even practice/demonstrate this during the decent. With respect to configuration using a SP Hydros, I don't think the Apeks Hose Retainer would work well with this BCD as it is designed to slide onto a webbing harness. You would either have to sort out a method that works with the Hydros, or as you mentioned, you could try to use a shorter hose. Although I admittedly have not experimented with this myself, I understand that some divers will use a 5" hose without securing it as it won't loop. At the end of the day, no matter how you configure yourself, the key is to continuously practice and keep your air sharing skills sharp and when necessary, communicate (worst case scenario) or practice (best case scenario) air sharing procedures with your buddy, especially if it is someone that your are not familiar with, or if you are using a configuration that they are not familiar with. I did put together a video a couple of years ago about air sharing configurations including the Air 2 which you can check out here - ruclips.net/video/XUD4QZE6Rg4/видео.html I hope this addresses your questions. If you have more questions or if you want more elaboration, then I would suggest you email me directly at greg@diveoceanquest.com and I can further assist you. Thanks!
Great video . Thank you I’ve now subscribed to your channel . I’m about to switch to a backplate and wing with a long hose. I have instruction booked but am wondering if it is actually worth buying a backplate and wing system or individual components. Many manufacturers seem to charge a great deal for backplate and webbing and I’m not sure it’s worth the cost ? Any advice ?
Thank you for the comment! I would recommend that you purchase a Backplate and Wing as a package. There are a number of brands that make good products and are priced well. For most divers, I would recommend going with a simple set up with no quick releases or large weight pockets. You will also want to make sure you have it set up properly, get advice on the best way to add weights to the unit, etc. We are in the process of putting together another video that will address many details of using a Backplate/Wing set up. You mentioned that you are getting instruction? This is very good, providing the instructor has experience with backplate/wing and long hose set ups. If you want to send me an email we can discuss more details - greg@diveoceanquest.com.
Hello and thanks for your very educational video. There could be an issue if as the secondary 2nd stage, we use a yellow octopus. Then, the out of air diver, could want to grab this one the situation would become super dangerous. I saw some divers, putting a yellow long hose on their main secondary stage, so it’s recognizable as the the one to be taken by the out of air diver. But perhaps, not using a yellow octo as the secondary 2nd stage would be better. What are your thoughts ? I am looking to get my first reg.
Yes, some divers who use long hose may use a yellow hose or regulator. Most do not. The configuration has been around for a few decades now so I do not think there are any inherent issues. That said, it all comes down to the fact that the long hose diver needs to take the time to educate the other divers in the team on how the configuration works and what procedures should be followed in the event that air sharing is required. In addition, as a diver using a long hose configuration, you should be building enough experience that you are extremely comfortable in emergency situations and more or less should be in control of the situation should a lesser experience diver comes to you and wants to share air. Feel free to email me @ greg@diveoceanquest.com should you want some advice on getting your first reg set up.
@@diveoceanquest Thanks for your kind answer. I was asking about the yellow hose, as an air situation can happen to someone else than my buddy and so that person will not know about my configuration. Not to mention that even my buddy, in case of emergency, can have his/her reptile brain that will want to focus on something yellow, unless that buddy is also trained for long hose configuration and use it for themself and trained, trained, trained for. I plan on doing the fundamental course with GUE, so will adopt the long hose anyway :-)
@@DidierWolfsthat was always the point what bugged me when having long hose divers in recreational diving groups. It should be required by now that the air sharing 2nd stage needs to be yellow. It just makes a out of air situation that much dangerours, not to know where the air is when it is badly need.
So, where or how do you carry your necessary weights? I noticed you don't have side pockets and that allows you to threat the canister light into the harness. How do you deal w weights?
You can also attach pockets on your cam band and opt for a heavier backplate. Also, your light etc can be additional weight but that depends on your equipment. I do have weight pockets on my BPW for quick release but it only holds half of my weight. The rest is in the things described above. I don't have a cable lamp and thus no canister though. Hope this helps!
I’m just a beginner and have a question. Would someone be so kind to explain to me why you wouldn’t just normally use the short cable bungee regulator and keep the long hose for donation? It seems to make much more sense in reducing complications and would be more comfortable as well.
@@lutam921 Thanks for your reply. It’s odd, but in my training, I’m supposed to go for the Octo when out of air. Why someone would try to pick a fight needlessly is beyond me. Plus I would assume that the one who has air is much much stronger. The bungee one will be too short to yank to use anyway. Plus a longer cable makes swimming together easier.
@@normankoo6159 it’s not about wanting to fight, but about to survive. What we do as exercises in swimming pool or sea is one thing, but a real no air situation is another thing and in this case, our reptilian brain, might just tell us to grab the reg that we see working. Having a long hose on the octo would be tricky as hose management. Where and how would you place a 2 meter long hose for the octo ?
@@DidierWolfs Hi Didier, thank you so much for replying to my question. I’ve been trained to take the alternative, and hopefully it is what would happen. My thoughts are that if someone tries to grab the regulator out of your mouth while you are using it, your reptilian brain might just end up fighting him/her. That would be a disaster. On the other hand, let’s just assume that they “initially” did take the primary. You could still switch them to a longer secondary after the situation has been stabilized? Or do you still feel the extra length is not useful? In terms of a longer hose, I can just make an extra loop before it is attached for easy access. I certainly understand that for those into cave or wreck diving might be concerned to keep their profile as sleek as possible, but for recreational fish watching, would the extra loop be a problem? Thanks again for following up on this topic. I’m looking forward to you wise guidance. 😉
@@normankoo6159 this setup is a paradigm shift. It is beneficial that dive teams use the same configuration so that there is no misunderstanding. Basic training depends on the agency. This set up comes from technical diving but some agencies (e.g. GUE) have adopted it from entry level. The concept is that in the "normal" set up people have a bad quality regulator that is sometimes dangling all over the bottom and may be filled with silt which is never used and nobody know if it works. With the long hose setup you donate something that you (and gas receiver) know is working and your secondary is usually of equal quality and is always properly stowed. All team members know which regulator they should get and if you dive with instabuddies you should brief them abou this
I'm a beginner - my question is why not have some kind of clips that would enable the long hose to be looped in front of the body instead of around the neck? I suspect you would need two or three clips strategically placed so you could create a circle for the hose. Something that would hold but that could be released by (more or less) a gentle pull?
I find the way you installing your hose a little bit strange, thus your long hose overlaps with your backup hose. Do you mind sharing why you do the way you do it?
Super informative. Not for me. The cop/FF/Medic in me shutters at so much around my neck. Don't like the pressure guage position, I want to look down and see it readily, not deal with a clasp. Glad it works for you. Spent 15 years as an ocean lifeguard as well. Of all my jobs, I learned that there is no one kind of panic. YOU need to be aware. YOU need to control unexpected sitations with panicked divers. SOmeone being in trouble close enough to grab my reg without me having any idea of what is happening long before is akin to someone walking up to me and taking my gun. Nope. Really well presented though..
I am am old, not yet too old, but already too grumpy when I see poor skills which became bad habits and are in muscle memory! And, yes, I didn't be in water with you, but still I see you, grumpy me, I am aware.... 1. you are donating long hose reg with your hand over purge button, that is bad , Out Of Air person can't help himself with putting 2.st in the mouth and may have need to purge 2. st, wich he/she can't, because you have hand over it. Also whole process of donating long hose is slower, you cant completely deploy long hose before OOADiver have 2.st in the mouth. 2. you have tendency to not to klip your 2.st on the D-ring, but leave it to hang on your neck. 3. You use two hands to orient a boltsnap before kliping it to D-ring, nott efficient and you can't communicate with your light (your light is in your left hand...) to your team,. 4. Your boltsnap is too high on your long hose, not good for any situation in which primary reg is kliped on the D-ring, it is not close enough to your body. Sometimes divers do it like that with idea that they can breath 2. st still kliped on the D-ring. That is also a sign of a bad skills, slow not completely secure in the 2.st unkliping.... Sorry, I have a problem when I see that teachers are not polished, call it troll or whatever. Best regards and give to your students polish skills, please.
Great video. As an instructor, I appreciate how well you cover the subject. Great detail and presentation.
Wow! as an old diver I have to say that was one of the best instruction I have seen in a very long time! Your students must love you..
I recently started using this method and can say it's far more streamlined and makes more sense. Thanks for this video, it describes a lot in the way of setup.
Great video! I’ll be stopping by in a few months
Great video. Thankyou
Nice video. I have one question regarding your hand position when donating the primary regulator. Would it be preferential not to cover up the purge button with your hand ? By positioning your hand on the hose alongside the second stage it would enable the out of air diver to clear the regulator if they are unable to exhale to clear it. Once again good job on the video.
I switched to a long hose configuration last fall. I only got a couple dives in before winter hit. I want to refresh my memory before getting back in the water. This was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
Great video. Great covering all the topics. Thank you!
It is happened to me , i was in gas lost in 30 m depth , then my body gave me with long hose 2 m , it was great success , we were able to make it up to safety stop easily.
Recently changed to long hose and practicing. This video is very informative and helpful. Thanks 🙏
Well done, sir!
Great video thank you. Little note 12:42 you do cover purge button which is incorrect hold the hose instead while donating. Otherwise the person out of air not able to purge it to have a first breath in.
Hey there. Good eye. Yes, holding onto the hose is good practice. In many cases when long hose sharing, you are handing the regulator off to the diver, not actually putting it in the divers mouth, in this case the out of air diver is in control of the regulator once you hand it off. If I am dealing with a less experienced diver then I would manage the situation differently. Thanks for the feedback. It is definitely a good discussion point.
I had the same thought about the handoff. It doesn't matter if the recipient is taking it or if the donor is putting in recipients' mouth. Never cover the purge.
@@scubicon1965 Sure, I can't deny that it would be considered best practices not to cover the purge button. Thanks for the feedback.
Great great video. Thanks for such a detailed explanation!!!
Great job Greg.
Thanks!
Excellent demo!!
Thanks, great video with lots of good info.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!
Started diving this configuration back in 2005. It was immediately apparent how much the traditional recreational rig is a dumpster fire.
I'm starting next week after 10 years of a regular setup! It looks alot safer and i'm excited to practice!! Sidemount next
Very very very nice Video!
Excelente tu explicación
Thank you Diego! Much appreciated!
What's that diving torch? It looks so cool.
I should really take a class about this.
Hi Henry! You know where to find us! Greg
Donating should be done holding the hose, not covering the purge button.
Great video. Thanks. Would you tell in cm. the length of this configuration hoses for a 1,80 mts person?
Thanks again
from the very first time I have dived I have monitored my gages and never asked any gas to anybody !
Excellent video. I am considering using a FFM (after a course of course). How would you configure your regulators in this scenario? Thanks
Amazing video!
Really great thorough video! The inflator and inflator hose look like they are strapped (bungied) down. How will you be able to lift it over your head to purge your wing? Do you remove it out of the bungie or does it slide through when you lift it?
That is a good question. The bungee is there to hold the inflator in the same position at all times. When you need to use the inflator, you can keep it in the bungee and just hold it up (stretching out the bungee). The inflator does not need to go over your head to function properly. Underwater, if you are in proper trim, then you can still use the inflator (deflator), you can just arch up and raise your left shoulder a little and the air will come out fine. This can be done without breaking trim. As an alternative, divers will also use the wing dump located on the inside of the bottom left part of the wing (if using a standard wing that comes with a backplate).
Appreciate the explanation and thanks again for a top notch instructional video!
what about the torch hanging down when stored ? do you notice it when just cruising around?
nice video, but just a thought, if you are going to make a video for single tank divers, perhaps you should be wearing single tanks?
Amazing video! I arrived here through a somewhat circuitous route while putting together my first scuba setup and looking at Air2 on the SP Hydros Pro, and several forum posts mentioned using a longhose setup since Air2 is primary-donate. It was great to see longhose on a real person and see all of the different routing concerns, and with that I could see how having the Air2 as a secondary would potentially cause crossed hoses if for some reason the primary's head/neck loop wasn't fully deployed before retrieving the Air2. If I do go for Air2 I'm now thinking the medium hose (44" or 48") with a swivel as recommended in several forum posts would be a better option. Love the recommendation about the Apeks retainer bar too! Eventually in order to extend the dive season I'll be looking at a traditional secondary reg as well for colder dives, but before fully joining team longhose-and-necklace I have to ask if this setup presents any risk of people pulling your mask off along with the primary second stage? People's instinct to grasp wildly at the primary despite training is what has me interested in Air2/primary donate in the first place, and I could see that frantic tugging ripping the mask off as the hose drags across the back of one's head - any thoughts? Sorry for the long comment and thanks in advance!
Hi Alexis. Thank you for your comment and questions. I have to tell you, I personally am not an advocate for the "Air 2" style system for sharing air. Even if you use a longer hose as your primary to make donating easier, in my opinion, Air 2's still have some inherent issues. In the general sense, they are larger and bulkier than a standard LPI so would be considered less streamlined. They may be more challenging to grab and manipulate with one hand, especially in cold water with dry gloves. Air 2's are also not very good breathers compared to a standard regulator. In an air sharing situation, although you may be able to get your primary off to your dive buddy effectively given your thought process of using a longer hose, the regulator that you are expected to use is not easily available to you, especially in a potentially stressful situation such as an out of air scenario. In order to find air, you will need to look down to locate your Air 2 which will potentially cause you to lose awareness to your buddy as well as general situational awareness to your surroundings. Even if for a brief moment, this can still cause a stressful situation to escalate. It also leaves too much for potential error as the Air 2 may be caught up in something and not where you expect to find it. After donating your primary, this could leave you in a precarious situation. Lastly, once you do get the Air 2 in your mouth, you now need to manipulate your buoyancy with the same device that your are breathing from. This could make buoyancy control more awkward. In comparison, if you have a good performing back up regulator secured with a bungee necklace, you always have an easy to access regulator available. You can locate it by feel without changing your focus on your buddy and your surrounding environment. It can also be useful in other circumstances aside from air sharing. Regulator recovery is as easy as grabbing your backup regulator from around your neck, then you can find your primary at your leisure. Let's say you are shore diving and you trip and fall in the water without your primary regulator in your mouth, you can find your backup regulator.
As far as your comment about people pulling off your mask along with your primary second stage. I am speculating that you are referencing having the long hose catch your snorkel as you donate? If this is what you mean, then the quick answer is that a snorkel is typically not secured to your mask when using a long hose set up. If you feel like you will need a snorkel, then you can consider a pocket snorkel, or find a way to stow your snorkel while diving yet still have it accessible on the surface. If you are using proper gas management, then you can also consider the fact that you should have enough air in your cylinder to allow you to breath on the surface via your regulator. I realize that there a lot of comments by divers and instructors about divers coming up and ripping regulators out of mouths in an out or air situation. I certainly will not deny that there is not potential that this can happen, however, I personally have not read any reports or studies that back this up. This mind set really just helps you be prepared for the worst case scenario. To play devil's advocate, one could argue that the majority of divers are trained to seek out the "Yellow" octopus and since they have practiced this, their muscle memory could kick in and grab the regulator that they were trained to grab. When diving a with a long hose, I make a special emphasis to explain that a diver should either signal out of air or just come up and grab my primary if out of air as part of the predive plan. You can even practice/demonstrate this during the decent.
With respect to configuration using a SP Hydros, I don't think the Apeks Hose Retainer would work well with this BCD as it is designed to slide onto a webbing harness. You would either have to sort out a method that works with the Hydros, or as you mentioned, you could try to use a shorter hose. Although I admittedly have not experimented with this myself, I understand that some divers will use a 5" hose without securing it as it won't loop.
At the end of the day, no matter how you configure yourself, the key is to continuously practice and keep your air sharing skills sharp and when necessary, communicate (worst case scenario) or practice (best case scenario) air sharing procedures with your buddy, especially if it is someone that your are not familiar with, or if you are using a configuration that they are not familiar with.
I did put together a video a couple of years ago about air sharing configurations including the Air 2 which you can check out here - ruclips.net/video/XUD4QZE6Rg4/видео.html
I hope this addresses your questions. If you have more questions or if you want more elaboration, then I would suggest you email me directly at greg@diveoceanquest.com and I can further assist you. Thanks!
Great video . Thank you I’ve now subscribed to your channel . I’m about to switch to a backplate and wing with a long hose. I have instruction booked but am wondering if it is actually worth buying a backplate and wing system or individual components. Many manufacturers seem to charge a great deal for backplate and webbing and I’m not sure it’s worth the cost ? Any advice ?
Thank you for the comment! I would recommend that you purchase a Backplate and Wing as a package. There are a number of brands that make good products and are priced well. For most divers, I would recommend going with a simple set up with no quick releases or large weight pockets. You will also want to make sure you have it set up properly, get advice on the best way to add weights to the unit, etc. We are in the process of putting together another video that will address many details of using a Backplate/Wing set up. You mentioned that you are getting instruction? This is very good, providing the instructor has experience with backplate/wing and long hose set ups. If you want to send me an email we can discuss more details - greg@diveoceanquest.com.
Hello and thanks for your very educational video. There could be an issue if as the secondary 2nd stage, we use a yellow octopus. Then, the out of air diver, could want to grab this one the situation would become super dangerous. I saw some divers, putting a yellow long hose on their main secondary stage, so it’s recognizable as the the one to be taken by the out of air diver. But perhaps, not using a yellow octo as the secondary 2nd stage would be better. What are your thoughts ? I am looking to get my first reg.
Yes, some divers who use long hose may use a yellow hose or regulator. Most do not. The configuration has been around for a few decades now so I do not think there are any inherent issues. That said, it all comes down to the fact that the long hose diver needs to take the time to educate the other divers in the team on how the configuration works and what procedures should be followed in the event that air sharing is required. In addition, as a diver using a long hose configuration, you should be building enough experience that you are extremely comfortable in emergency situations and more or less should be in control of the situation should a lesser experience diver comes to you and wants to share air. Feel free to email me @ greg@diveoceanquest.com should you want some advice on getting your first reg set up.
@@diveoceanquest Thanks for your kind answer. I was asking about the yellow hose, as an air situation can happen to someone else than my buddy and so that person will not know about my configuration. Not to mention that even my buddy, in case of emergency, can have his/her reptile brain that will want to focus on something yellow, unless that buddy is also trained for long hose configuration and use it for themself and trained, trained, trained for. I plan on doing the fundamental course with GUE, so will adopt the long hose anyway :-)
@@DidierWolfsthat was always the point what bugged me when having long hose divers in recreational diving groups. It should be required by now that the air sharing 2nd stage needs to be yellow. It just makes a out of air situation that much dangerours, not to know where the air is when it is badly need.
A shorter hose would also help secure better
So, where or how do you carry your necessary weights? I noticed you don't have side pockets and that allows you to threat the canister light into the harness. How do you deal w weights?
You can also attach pockets on your cam band and opt for a heavier backplate. Also, your light etc can be additional weight but that depends on your equipment. I do have weight pockets on my BPW for quick release but it only holds half of my weight. The rest is in the things described above. I don't have a cable lamp and thus no canister though. Hope this helps!
I've tried and didn't like the long hose as it tended to make the 2nd stage pull to the side of my mouth.
I’m just a beginner and have a question. Would someone be so kind to explain to me why you wouldn’t just normally use the short cable bungee regulator and keep the long hose for donation? It seems to make much more sense in reducing complications and would be more comfortable as well.
Beginner as well. The rationale, I read is that a panicked out-of-air diver will have the reflex to take the regulator that is in your mouth.
@@lutam921 Thanks for your reply. It’s odd, but in my training, I’m supposed to go for the Octo when out of air. Why someone would try to pick a fight needlessly is beyond me. Plus I would assume that the one who has air is much much stronger.
The bungee one will be too short to yank to use anyway. Plus a longer cable makes swimming together easier.
@@normankoo6159 it’s not about wanting to fight, but about to survive. What we do as exercises in swimming pool or sea is one thing, but a real no air situation is another thing and in this case, our reptilian brain, might just tell us to grab the reg that we see working. Having a long hose on the octo would be tricky as hose management. Where and how would you place a 2 meter long hose for the octo ?
@@DidierWolfs Hi Didier, thank you so much for replying to my question. I’ve been trained to take the alternative, and hopefully it is what would happen. My thoughts are that if someone tries to grab the regulator out of your mouth while you are using it, your reptilian brain might just end up fighting him/her. That would be a disaster. On the other hand, let’s just assume that they “initially” did take the primary. You could still switch them to a longer secondary after the situation has been stabilized? Or do you still feel the extra length is not useful? In terms of a longer hose, I can just make an extra loop before it is attached for easy access. I certainly understand that for those into cave or wreck diving might be concerned to keep their profile as sleek as possible, but for recreational fish watching, would the extra loop be a problem? Thanks again for following up on this topic. I’m looking forward to you wise guidance. 😉
@@normankoo6159 this setup is a paradigm shift. It is beneficial that dive teams use the same configuration so that there is no misunderstanding. Basic training depends on the agency. This set up comes from technical diving but some agencies (e.g. GUE) have adopted it from entry level. The concept is that in the "normal" set up people have a bad quality regulator that is sometimes dangling all over the bottom and may be filled with silt which is never used and nobody know if it works. With the long hose setup you donate something that you (and gas receiver) know is working and your secondary is usually of equal quality and is always properly stowed. All team members know which regulator they should get and if you dive with instabuddies you should brief them abou this
I'm a beginner - my question is why not have some kind of clips that would enable the long hose to be looped in front of the body instead of around the neck? I suspect you would need two or three clips strategically placed so you could create a circle for the hose. Something that would hold but that could be released by (more or less) a gentle pull?
I find the way you installing your hose a little bit strange, thus your long hose overlaps with your backup hose. Do you mind sharing why you do the way you do it?
Super informative. Not for me. The cop/FF/Medic in me shutters at so much around my neck. Don't like the pressure guage position, I want to look down and see it readily, not deal with a clasp. Glad it works for you. Spent 15 years as an ocean lifeguard as well. Of all my jobs, I learned that there is no one kind of panic. YOU need to be aware. YOU need to control unexpected sitations with panicked divers. SOmeone being in trouble close enough to grab my reg without me having any idea of what is happening long before is akin to someone walking up to me and taking my gun. Nope. Really well presented though..
Why is everyone running out of air 😐 all of this just to donate my great breathing regulator to get to use my octo, what a deal.
All this trouble to configure oneself to share air...here's a tip: Don't dive with people who run out of air!
I am am old, not yet too old, but already too grumpy when I see poor skills which became bad habits and are in muscle memory! And, yes, I didn't be in water with you, but still I see you, grumpy me, I am aware....
1. you are donating long hose reg with your hand over purge button, that is bad , Out Of Air person can't help himself with putting 2.st in the mouth and may have need to purge 2. st, wich he/she can't, because you have hand over it. Also whole process of donating long hose is slower, you cant completely deploy long hose before OOADiver have 2.st in the mouth.
2. you have tendency to not to klip your 2.st on the D-ring, but leave it to hang on your neck.
3. You use two hands to orient a boltsnap before kliping it to D-ring, nott efficient and you can't communicate with your light (your light is in your left hand...) to your team,.
4. Your boltsnap is too high on your long hose, not good for any situation in which primary reg is kliped on the D-ring, it is not close enough to your body. Sometimes divers do it like that with idea that they can breath 2. st still kliped on the D-ring. That is also a sign of a bad skills, slow not completely secure in the 2.st unkliping....
Sorry, I have a problem when I see that teachers are not polished, call it troll or whatever.
Best regards and give to your students polish skills, please.