The Best Speaker Orientation & Setup
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Today taking about the right and best orientation and setup for your speakers.
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Honestly you didn’t exactly answer my question but something about having you just talk about your experience and your friend as well just got me thinking so differently about speaker placement and the acoustics in my room, thank you for just sharing the knowledge
Page 4 of the HS8 Manuel says "Do not lay speakers on their side". Yamaha does not recommend laying these specific speakers horizontally.
a lot music producers do it😂
But page 6 says "but if song is lit from current mixing feel free to lay on speaker and position at ceiling
As already mentioned in the video, most speakers should be perfectly fine the way they are built by the manufacturer. One thing to pay attention to when putting "upright" speakers horizontally is the rule about the equilateral triangle. AFAIK it's the tweeters that count, i.e. in a lot of cases the tweeters should go next to the screen rather than away from it.
Another case where I did something or planned something and the next day, Jon features a video about it. I changed my speakers to horizontal position with tweeters at the ends and now this video pops up today!
I have HS8 speakers, but they don't have those ugly drippy black marks on the woof woof.... are yours older?
Mine were bought at Sam Ash, maybe 2 - 3 yrs ago. I don't remember what I paid for them maybe like $400 for each? It was in that range. But they are just beautiful white woofers without the ugly black drippy teardrop looking things LOL
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A typical 2-way loudspeaker, that has a tweeter over mid/woofer, when in the vertical position has symmetrical frequency response in the horizontal plane and slightly asymmetrical response in the vertical plane. Meaning that if you move off axis vertically (standing or sitting), the response is slightly different in either direction. All 2-way speakers that have this configuration suffer from this (some are worse than others). It is typically more desirable to have the horizontal response be symmetrical, so it is typically best to leave speakers with this type of design in the vertical configuration.
Another issue when laying a speaker on its side is that you will typically have more boundary interference which may adversely affect the frequency response of the speaker system (especially the HF).
So basically lying monitors like KRK Rokits RP4-8 or Yamaha HS5-8 or even Adam A5-8x etc... horizontal, you'll get asymmetry and it'll sound very bad and deceptive when monitoring, the listening positon will also be limited to one specific spot where as if they are set up correctly, you have room to be sat a little off axis when monitoring while still getting the same sound.
would it be okay to put yamaha hs8s upside down to get the tweeters at ear level?
@@indigochildrenband yes upside down is okay cuz the symmetry is not affected
Wow. The Manuel literally says "These speakers should be placed vertically, not on their side." But what do the manufactures know? Right?
Hi Jon would massively appreciate a little help. I have a pair of Yamaha HS50Ms that are 10 years old now and I want to determine if they are all right before doing any room treatment research. They sound all right in the higher parts but in the busy and louder parts of the song they’re a complete mess - talking of reference tracks here. Going nuts trying to isolate the problem and I am actually considering a new pair. My question is 1. Can I determine the quality and condition of the speaker by listening to it close. Is that a valid method. And 2. If I went for a new pair, what would you recommend. My current choices are Rokit 5, Presonus Eris, and Focal Alpha 50, but would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks!
the thing is... why this question? Speakers like the HS7 or RP5 or Eris have been designed to simply be placed vertically.
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I was just thinking shouldn't there be another speaker for center?
Are those JBl LE8T-H’s?
bro, that room is packed up.
Got a new one ☝️ check any of the newer videos
i ment, there is no space in that studio. haha, but what model was those yamahas? none of the h models have those marks on em?
@@MajasGap HS80M?
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Hi, what's the idea of having the diffuser on the sofa and not on the rear wall?
it wasn't installed at that moment
@@Jonsine so you will probably put it on the rear wall?
@@yogabyaakaash I did but I also moved to a new studio
Why does your HS7:s have the two black notches on the cone that the NS:10s have? Never seen any other HS7:s with those
older version hs 80 m
I use coaxial speakers, with that design there are two driver in front of each other, eliminating the issue where hi and lower sounds comes from different area's. It's amazing how detailed they are compared to other speakers in the same price range. If you ever get a chance to listen to them go for it !
I don't have a manual 'cause I bought used speakers. then I put them horizontally, toed in, with tweeters on the outside. the reason is, I think I have a little bit too much mid-high out of them, so I want those tweeters to be away from each other as much as possible. and I'm happy now :)
What do you explain dude? horizontally these monitors can not be set or contraindicated.
Try the ADAMS F7s PLEASE. I'd love to hear your opinion and the port is front facing. Gimme a week or so to balance my poor man's budget and I'll do what I promised. Congrats on everything and God bless.
How did you specifically know that you needed a diffuser at that particular spot in the studio?
Basic physics, you measure where the reflections are going to hit, can be done by running a mirror against the left/right side of the wall and wait for the centre of the corresponding monitor hits the centre of the mirror then you mark a dot and then do the same for the opposite side. Same principles apply for ceiling and back walls.
MATT VORN I meant to ask what specifically did he hear or feel coming from that spot that he wanted to add a diffuser there? Can you really hear the sound reflecting from a wall that close? The reflections probably take a tiny tiny fraction of a second.
Basically bass when you mix in a corner the bass sounds good and when you play it somewhere else it sounds weak so bass hits the corners and flat surfaces and bounces so use defuser where it hits and also corner.
Go into an empty room, place one speaker at one end and then stand in the corner, you'll hear that there is a lot of loud low end where as if you stand in the middle, the audio will sound relatively ok. Basically this is when you'd use bass traps in the corner to stop this bass from reflecting and effectively adding up/amplifying itself. The same thing applies with higher frequencies except from if your ears aren't that good and you haven't been producing for long and don't have developed ears then you won't really hear it, but the sound is very much the same just higher in frequency. But even then you don't use your ears, acoustic engineers use maths and knowledge to position diffusers etc... for example, you put foam up where the first points of reflection are, the second point of reflection is usually the back walls/front walls and the first reflection/second etc... is also ceiling too. So there's a lot of common sense in working out where to treat your room acoustically.
If the room is dead meaning too much absorption ,then you need diffuser to make it live again.
Typical pro studios are dead on the listening position and live in the back room.
Size of his bass traps don't absorb sub fqs but rather low mids and highs. Maybe Jon realized and heard some issues with too much absorption of mids and highs in his mix.
OMG I had this doubt exactly when you put your speakers horizontally 3-4 days ago thanks for your answer
Great question, great topic, just my 2 cents, I had major mix down issues until I measured my room and used the functions that ship with most speakers on the back panel, like Low, Mid and High, cut or boost, these Yamaha’s also have a handy room function for small rooms with standing waves, it’s important to note that low frequencies are longer and need more space to develop, when they don’t they bounce back and cancel our high end, hey Jon, am in the process of getting my wife an another air fryer, post the amazon link and I’ll purchase it from there, but yeah, all in all, don’t forget the wall mirror trick to position your monitors and learn your room by listening to music you already admire, learn your room and you will hardly ever reference elsewhere.
What is more logical if you turn your monitors to the side, to have the sub hole closer to center or the tweeter?
How to make the bass traps
Hey Jon, great video’s! Could you maybe do a video on managing bass under 100hz in you room (acoustic treatment)? Would be awesome!
You should get some neumaan kh120s if you are considering new speakers.
Why do your HS8's have black marks in the middle ?
these are the older hs80m ones
oh okay that makes sense thx
Great video as always :)
I have the biggest dillema of a lifetime now. Just spend all morning looking for a new speakers for me and I feel so lost. Hopefully someone could help me here. I'm thinking about getting a pair of JBL LSR305's but not sure if it's a right choice. Looking for something that I can use for music production (it's more of a new hobby than doing it for a living) but I'd like to use these speakers for an everyday listetning too (music, movies, etc). Some were saying that studio monitors are good for it, some don't.
You can of course use monitors for normal listening. Good monitors are however unforgiving and don't make anything sound nicer than it is. Your everyday 5.1 surround set usually tried to "improve" sounds.
Also keep in mind that monitors are directional like Jon points out in the video. So the sound can change depending on where you are, depending on your room this can be an issue.
If you have the possibility to listen and compare a few monitors go do it. I know what it is to read reviews all day in the end you really have to hear them yourself.
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Great speakers Alann, but too expensive for me unfortunately. Was thinking to spend about £ 200-300 for a pair and JBL LSR 305's are in the price range.
Thanks for a reply elowine. "Need" to change my speakers for something more decent. I have old Creative 2.1 computer speakers that costed me about £40-50 years ago ...
Get a used pair of hs8’s you won’t regret it.
Great Track- “Shadow of You” ft
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APS - very recommended monitors
Lol, I remember the ecstacy of gluing the last piece of wood block in my diffuser!!! So tedious..
Thanks good thing I only purchased one 😂 Now flip or not, it doesn’t matter a lot. I don’t have L/R just one speaker.
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what model is those yamahas
HS80m i beleive
What is this video about? Why not talk only about what the description says?
No shade Jon but you look like super Mario
why not name all the sends in your template?
it’s the tweeter position to level at ear height.
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Hahaha just realized that you said you should pay someone to set up monitors if they are really expansive... But three years later you installed 16k monitors yourself 😂😂
Haha yes i actually had someone guide me just wasn’t in the studio due to Covid.
I don't know, can't you just 'air fry' things in the oven?
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dude don't be a clown stop moving the camera you ain't all that