Also vader: "It's over Obi-Wan, I have the high ground!" Kenobi (ghost): "You underestimate my power!" Darth vader: "Don't try it!" Kenobi (ghost): "NYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
Obi wan: meh anakin's fine and hasn't had a tragic life. Anakin after being kidnapped by space hippies from slavery and being used as a child soldier: what
I once thought of a little scene if Starkiller lived and trained Luke and was with him in that scene on Dagobah Luke: Did you know? Galen: No. But I always sensed great self-loathing in him. Maybe that’s why he trained me so brutally, to make me feel some of the pain he felt. Maybe Ben didn’t tell you because he was afraid how you’d react. So, what will you do now that you know the truth? Luke: I’m gonna try and save him. I know deep down there is still good in him. Galen: Luke. Your intentions are admirable but naive. The man you think your father is, the man you want him to be, is dead. Trust me, whoever Anakin Skywalker was, Vader is not
I’d love to hear him and Ashoka debate on if Vader was redeemable or not. I’m sure she would side with Luke and try to redeem her former master, while Galen and Obi-wan would think it impossible.
@@thunderstudent Ahsoka tried in rebels and almost lost her life in the fight. She might be more pessimistic about redeeming her former master at first, but then relize that if anyone could do it his own son might be able to. She'd help Luke in anyway she can even teaching him what she learned from Anakin as his apprentice.
@@NinjaKitty91_ she definitely would have made Luke a better duelist. She knew all of both Vader's and Anakin's best lightsaber moves and Force abilities. And maybe she couldn't have done some of it, but she could definitely teach it all.
Yeah sounds about right for Jedi Master Starkiller... DEFINITELY woulda made Luke a much better fighter that's for sure. Being trained by 3 powerful masters, 1 still quite capable of fighting, instead of just 2 old ones, that basically like to spend all their twilight years hiding.
Vader was free of the restraints he ALWAYS resented...But he was NEVER HAPPY with his new life...which may explain why he was still pulled to his son upon learning of his existence!
“Nobody’s ever really gone” came from return of the Jedi and the “high ground” came from revenge of the sith Edit: it appears that I was wrong about nobody’s ever really gone
I believe that I've read somewhere that the old Jedi Masters counted Revan as the same as Ulic Qel-Droma (1:40), that he was never completely immersed in the Dark Side. That, or he's an exception due to his memory loss effectively giving him a reset.
I think is both, Revan was more of a tactician rather than Malak who destroyed anything of the republic he came across. It’s said a few times in both KOTOR games that Revan left military structures and certain things intact to either use them again or other reasons. Where as Malak destroyed it all, like when he gave the order to bomb Telos. Malak was completely corrupted, but Revan probably was not and then the mind erase happened. Just my $0.02
Eric Riley Revan only fell to the dark side because he believed the republic needed to be conquered and strengthened if they couldn’t handle the Mandalorians in his mind they had no chance against the Sith Empire of Vitiate. When he met Vitiate he did fall because he did fear the republic losing to the Sith Empire ruled by Vitiate aka Valkorion/ Darth Tenebrae. His love and fear for the Republic is much like Anakin and Padme.. That’s why the Jedi say love is dangerous but I think love is what redeems Dark Siders too. It’s like Buddhism where too much attachment to the physical world can make you do evil things to protect these attachments and you need to be able to let go. A very simplified way of what I’m saying is Revan fell because he loved the Republic and the dark side seems to amplify emotions as much as the emotions amp the dark side.
I feel like Reven and Dooku are similar in that way. Neither really "fell" to the darkside but rather joined the darkside as a means to a good end. Reven joined becaused he need the power to stop the sith from destroying the Republic and Dooku joined becaused Palpatine convinced him that the Republic was too corrupted and the only way for there to be peace is for Palpatine to be in charge. If Dooku had survived the prequals I think he would have realized his error and joined the rebels if not outright killed Palpatine, one of the reasons Palpatine got Anakin to kill him at the end of the clone wars.
No high ground for Obi-Wan when Luke helped Anakin redeem himself. If you really think about it, Obi-Wan didn't do very much to even try to pull Anakin back from the Dark Side in Revenge of the Sith. All he was spouting about was that "Sith deal in absolutes" (yea, and the Jedi don't? 🤔) and that his allegiance was to the Republic, to democracy. Obi-Wan, don't you realize that democracy is what got the Jedi Order screwed in the first place? He never tried to get to the heart of what was really eating at Anakin. All Obi-Wan did was speak on what he thought was right, when it had diddly squat to do with what Anakin was going through.
Yeah, Obi-Wan seemed less sympathetic and a little bit angry. Then he said "Only a Sith deals in absolutes", which is an absolute statement in itself. He didn't try to appeal to Anakin's lighter emotions, but instead fed his anger. Although, Anakin did choke Padme as soon as he saw Obi-Wan show up, so I don't actually know if he could be redeemed at that point.
Anakin had just remorselessly murdered a bunch of people (including many children) and certainly didn't have any justifiable reason for doing so. Given the circumstances I can understand Obi Wan not being very sympathetic.
He didn't have much time. He found out about his best friend and 'brother' committing the mass murder of nearly everyone Obi Wan had ever known, as well as a large number of children. Then, upon seeing him, Anakin was choking his own wife and mother of his unborn children. Maybe Yoda could have kept his cool, but Obi Wan was closer to the situation due to his love of Anakin. Obi Wan was angry, and hadn't had time to process everything. It was a horrible situation and Anakin had just destroyed any and all trust they had before then.
He still is. Even if Vader survived, he would never be allowed to show his face in public again and will constantly be hunted by people vowing revenge from rebels to friends and family of jedi killed.
The funny thing is that Vader's defeat on Mustafar could have been what would bring him back to the Light. Obi-Wan could have used it as a lesson for Anakin and would have brought him and Padme back together to be treated at Polis Massa. And along the way Anakin would have had time to think on everything that had happened, including his turning on Padme, which nearly killed her, and the fact that Obi-wan had saved him despite everything he had done and the fact that Obi-wan was helping him save Padme (even if Obi-wan wouldn't know that was Anakin's motive at that point.) He'd become massively remorseful and guilty and would have probably been redeemed during the journey. Then once they arrived, with Anakin being redeemed and reunited with Padme, then Padme would have lived after giving birth to Luke and Leia and Anakin would have replacement limbs. Then Yoda would have had Anakin and Obi-wan train Luke and Leia in the ways of the Jedi and they would have reunited the survivors of Order 66 to come against Sidious, who would have only had the Clone Army, which would have been insufficient, despite its Jedi-killing skill, without Vader's massive power. .
@@theacademictaskmaster6481 he said that after he asked Obi wan for help (that was actually muted in the film, but Anakin still raised his hand asking for help)
"To have dealt him a killing blow might have been the merciful thing to do, but I had no mercy for Vader." This refusal to show compassion to his enemy not only drove Anakin further into the dark side, it proves the existence of the dark side within Obi-Wan.
Master Shim was proven right with the case of Anakin in more than one way. Having lost everything was what completed his fall, then having Luke as a beacon freed him from his self-imposed shackling to the Sith. Yes he was most definitely a Sith Lord but he always had one foot in the past (however hard he tried) & then Luke represented a step forward away from the Sith xx
I always figured he didn't have a plan against Darth Sidious except being killed by Sith Lightning if he killed Sidious. When Luke needed his help, he finally had a reason to kill Sidious, even if he would not replace him.
It’s not ironic. Obi wan means the sith deal in absolutes in their desires, for example if you don’t join them or serve them, they’ll kill you. That’s the absolute he’s referring to. The jedi didn’t act in that way to obtain their goals. They had rules but it wasn’t to dominate other people. If Anakin begged obi wan for mercy at Mustafar, the jedi code would compel him to show mercy. The sith could would compel you to destroy the person. It’s a big difference
Go past the dark side and there's a dumb-ass side of the force. Training mostly consists of stepping on rakes and falling down stairs. Jar Jar is a master.
It’s simple he killed Jedi younglings and tried to destroy the whole order, but i think he could’ve been redeemed but after he killed them it was constantly eating him up on the inside and to block it he embraced the dark which is why his eyes turned yellow while he was in the temple slaughtering people with a tear dropping.
Could you do a video on Luke Skywalkers temporary fall to the dark side in the Dark Empire comic? I don’t read comics and I’ve always wondered about this story line
This is a really good idea! I think I might have a few ideas that focus more on the Luke side of things for a topic like this, so I'll see what I can do with this topic. Thank you for watching and I hope you enjoy today's video!
Luke went undercover but sort of got corrupted, Palpatine knew but he threatened Luke and trapped him in his new position, Luke didn't become evil but it was hard for him to return to the light
Uhm let's see: Born into slavery, forced to stay away from his mother even when he knew she was suffering with her in the end dying in his arms, the other jedis not trusting/supporting him, with even Obi wan lying to him faking his death (event that imho severely reduced Anakin's trust in Obi Wan, since now to his eyes his master was now playing the stupid council plans while not trusting him, no wonder why Anakin decided not to tell Obi wan about Padme when she asked him to do so), the Council expels Ahsoka without any kind of trial, Ahsoka leaves him after he managed to save her, and after all of this he starts having nightmares of his wife dying, then he's denied the rank of master (that he wanted to get to the holocrons to save Padme) when he fought 3 years and did the most in winning the war, while the people on the council did either nothing or crappy decisions (yoda aside); all of this combined with 14 years of Palpatine's manipulation with the Jedis seeing nothing (i mean Obi wan tells him to pay attention to his friend Palpatine and then they send him to spy on him). Totally no problematic life. The even more sad thing is that after his fall to the dark side Anakin is immediately given for lost (say what you want, but showing up from Padme's ship like that (especially when she would have probably succeeded, tough in Obi wan defence he did not know that what made anakin flip was the fear of losing her) and immediately accusing Anakin of lust for power is not a way to talk to someone at the moment mentally unstable), but after 20 years of dark side all it took to redeem him was to see a part of his family (his son) and to have someone who trusted/belived in him (that was again his son). Not because he was evil but because he had become very close to the standard jedi council ideas Obi Wan completely messed up with Anakin, before but especially after his turn
In canon.. In Rebels commentary.. Anakin and Ezra were compared and they beilive if Anakin had The Family Ezra had being the Crew.. He Would of turned out fine.. Importantly time and time again it was implied that Obi-Wan was never meant to be Anakin's teacher. Qui-Gon Jinn was meant to be anakin teacher and Father figure the same way Kannan was a father figure to Ezra.. Ezra Had The Ghost crew as Family.. Did you like counsel listen to narrowmind and unfeeling to underatand that Someone of anakin background needed accommodations.. They Failed to understand that Anakin needed A Family to be there for him. I just feel that and can you get parental figures that needed to keep him in check and grounded.. Obi wan did his best but is Qui-Gon Jinn said he is a True Jedi of order so there's some things he won't understand about anakin. Kanan on the otherhand Had to Adapt after Order 66 and Did not care about No Marrriage or attachment Code.. considering his relationship with Hera. The thing about family is that family has to hold each other accountable for their actions.. For Example Padme Knew about Anakin's Darkness. He Told about it when he slaughtered The Tuskon Raider and she more of that darkness In the Clone wars... turn such a blind eye to his flaws. Rather then hold him accountable and criticize him for killing the Younglings. She should very alarmed Anakin Again is willing to kill Children considering She herself is pregnant. she instead say they should run away together. Lol Think of it like this. Superman is special not because he is an Alien.. But because he Had Responsible and nurturing parents. why does Batman have the no kill code. because his parents are the same as Superman's parents. they were established to be good people that wanted to help others and Them Getting Killed and how It traumatized him made him into vigilante out to Stop crime but Not Killing because taking a Life Ruins the Lives of those that care about Victim.
Luke had a family too. Han, Leia, Chewie, R2 and 3PO. All kept Luke grounded. Han was the big bro which probably kept him out of a few Imperial traps in the days leading up to EP V. Leia was the the one who kept everyone on mission. R2 was the one Luke could unload all of his baggage on without judgement. 3PO reminded him it was perfectly normal to be scared it's how you deal with it. Chewie taught him loyalty to a cause and your beliefs. I forgot one. Lando taught him about redemption, sure you screw up big time but you keep on going and make it right. That is why the Emporer failed to turn him.....in spectacular fashion.
Came for Obi-wan content, but stayed for Asajj Ventress. She is my absolute favorite character in the Star Wars Universe. I'm literally getting her Bounty Hunter helmet tattooed behind my ear for my birthday. Dark Disciple was a phenomenal read. All she sought was loyalty, but once she was free from her dark allegiance, though still angry and grouchy, she showed compassion countless times. Even finding her redemption through love. Heartbreaking, but beautiful story. I swear, I always say: Star War = Tragedy Still, love it so damn much!!!
I don’t think he could. Mace Windu says Palpatine has control of the senate and the courts so Vader would likely be freed and there aren’t that many Jedi left after order 66.
You know I would've said "not yet!" but since I remember EPIII very well, knowing what happened especially when we got to Mustafar and what Palps was doing while "Vader" was there getting chopped to pieces. At that point Palps was the Senate. Maybe if Windu ran Palps thru when he had the chance and declared himself the Senate then we could have something to talk about.
I mean he was born into slavery and was pulled away from his mom as a child I'm no psychologist but I think that might make some deep psychological scars
Diego Ruiz he couldn’t talk about it. talking about his mother and slave background would have pushed him further to the dark. plus the jedi of his time would have shunned him for even thinking about his past and ties. yoda maybe would have understood but the others so full of themselves and the jedi way would have cast more judgement to him and more doubt. you forget that even when a young the jedi treated him as an out cast of the order. unworthy of the chosen one title. padme was his only true home.
Considering a real world psychologist did a study and determined he had multiple personality disorder I say something went wrong during his time as both a slave growing up and his upbringing as an jedi
What friends did he have? Ahsoka left the Jedi and resented Anakin, there was Rex a soldier that was very loyal to Anakin, the council stifled Anakin's abilities and hammered in the idea of forbidding attachment, the other padawans saw Anakin as only a slave and not worthy of being a Jedi, and Palpatine who manipulated his way to being a father figure and mentor to Anakin.
Using the released movies as a basis, I actually thought of Darth Vader as someone who craved power and did evil things not as a goal, but as a means to a goal, which was to end a conflict (his words in episode 5); the Galactic Civil War. It's true he's the villain, but in a twisted way he still is the hero of his story.
“[Vader and Ventress] knew of the loss of loved ones, and had reason to distrust the Republic and the Jedi Order." While it's nice than an orthodox Jedi like Obi-Wan would be able to acknowledge Anakin had reason to distrust the Jedi, what did Obi-Wan do to rectify this distrust? That Obi-Wan recognized this problem but did nothing to solve it only reinforced Anakin's perception that the Jedi could not be trusted. "...when I finally caught up with Vader, I sensed nothing but pure evil about him.” More often than not, the difference between seeing something and not seeing something is that you have to be looking for it. Did Obi-Wan even try to sense anything about his former apprentice besides evil? Or was Obi-Wan so accepting of Yoda’s prior statement that Anakin was consumed by Darth Vader, that Obi-Wan would not have recognized any remnant of goodness in Vader even if it was evident to everyone else? On arriving on Mustafar, Padmé actively tried to pull Anakin back from his inner darkness, whereas Obi-Wan made no such effort-yet another lack of action on Obi-Wan’s part that added to the circumstances of Anakin’s fall. "For unlike Ventress, Vader was not a victim of unfortunate circumstances.” Does spending the first ten years of your life as a slave not qualify as unfortunate circumstances in Obi-Wan’s view? Or being separated from the only parent you’ve ever known? Or having that parent die in your arms? What sort of trauma has to befall a Jedi before the Jedi is qualified as a victim of unfortunate circumstances in Obi-Wan’s view? “[Vader] was not a weak being who feared abandonment.” On the contrary, Anakin very much feared abandonment, this fear being a contributor to his development of relationships outside the Jedi Order. Ironically, in his self-imposed perception that Darth Vader had consumed and destroyed Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan himself is guilty of abandoning Anakin. “[Darth Vader] was a powerful man who had been given opportunities to better himself, yet he only craved more power.” In its loosest sense, a Sith is a Force-user who craves power only for the sake of power. This description is accurate for Darth Sidious and Darth Maul, who both craved power as an end in itself, but not for Darth Tyrannus and Darth Vader, who both craved power as a means to an end. Were Dooku and Anakin wrong in wanting to remedy legitimate problems within the galaxy? Of what value is the desire to remedy legitimate problems if you are unwilling and/or unable to enact the remedies to those problems? For an orthodox Jedi like Obi-Wan, a Force-user’s motive for seeking power seems to have no relevance-if a Force-user craves power for any reason, the mere act of craving power qualifies the Force-user as a Sith. Ironically, this definition of good and evil by action rather than intention puts Jedi philosophy in line with the concept of “master morality” as propounded by Friedrich Nietzsche, whose repudiation of compassion for the weak and exultation of the will to power are the cornerstones of Sith philosophy; and when the Jedi and the Sith are both sounding like Nietzsche, that should be cause for alarm. In other words, Obi-Wan’s looking at the speck in his brother’s eye but not paying attention to the plank in his own eye is what makes Darth Vader his greatest failure.
I think it's cool that Obi-Wan and Ventress got some closure to their odd relationship/bond given all they went through in the Clone Wars, both fighting each other and also teaming up from time to time.
If someone had essentially made me a quadriplegic before leaving me to burn in a lava pit, and THEN he tries to "redeem" me; I'd just want to slice and dice him into little tiny pieces
It doesn't sound like Obi Wan knew Revans story or if he did then just came to the conclusion that Anakin had no chance of redemption in comparison to what Revan went through
At around 1:40 he mentions Ulic Qel-Droma (Exar Kun's former apprentice) and how it was believed that he had never truly immersed himself fully in the dark side. I think I've read somewhere that the Jedi regarded Revan as the same.
X,D ..it's so fucked up what happened to the Younglings.. ._. ..we don't speak of it.. The part of this comment that made me laugh, was I READ the comment in His voice... "If not for meeee,.. ..... For the Younglings :D (shows picture of them ._. )" Man when Vader fell to the Darkside .... he *FELL* to the Darkside :/ ... like Rock Bottom "Attack your pregnant Wife" bottom of the Darkside :/. He might as well been Darth MAUL and done it himself ._. we all know The Emperor did it though in order to seal Vader's fate and corruption of the Darkside :"/! For this reason alone.. "DON'T Dew it!" ;) INSTEEEEAD... ... someone should've just tried to sell Palpatine some Death sticks at one of those Trippy clubs he likes hangin out at X,D! Dealer: "..sooo, Yah wanna buy sum Dea- Sith Sticks :D!?" Palpatine: "... ahh, SCRew IT!" X"D LMFAOOOOO!
Obi wan is a fool the Jedi made Darth Vader because they didn't help even when he asked they turned him into a power hungry monster and when he acted on it they are saddened by it
Obi Wan didn't know about Anakin's dream of Padme dying was the driving force (pun) towards him embracing the dark side. He knew about their relationship, but didn't know about the premonition.
Well when you kill little kids without batting an eye and end up turning the Republic upside down. Not to mention he forced choked the woman he claimed to love. Anakin sold his soul to keep Padme safe and ended up choosing power over the very reason he did all of it in the first place. Luke didn't experience everything Obi-Wan did and children often love their parents despite their parents not deserving of it. Luke had Faith while Obi-Wan's burned with Anakin on Mustafar. If Luke had seen his father commit all of Vader's crimes I bet he would have had a different outlook.
Yoda and Obi-Wan should have both went to stop Vader on Mustafar, if not to kill him, just to capture him. Vader could have been used to draw out Sidious and they might of had hope of redeeming Vader in the aftermath.
It makes perfect sense for Obi-Wan to find it infuriating or annoying that Anakin would “whine” about being part of the Jedi. Obi-Wan was firstly, consistently being rejected to be taken as a padawan, especially by Qui-Gon. And Anakin just suddenly gets so much praise and appreciation from his master. He doesn’t let his jealousy get in the way though. All Obi-Wan ever properly felt was having to be a working-class type Jedi. Despite showing a great deal of Force sensitivity, he still had to put an effort into proving his worth. He eventually starts to embrace the Jedi code more, not just as an act of rebellion from his former master, but because he believes it’s a way of proving that worth as a Jedi. He watches his master die and avenges his death, but the last words of his master don’t even contain any final words of appreciation, just Anakin. Then suddenly, Anakin is handed everything: power, skill, IMMEDIATELY GETS A MASTER, and is well-respected by everybody due to said power. And all Anakin does, in his eyes, at least, is take it as if it wasn’t at all a big deal. To Obi-Wan, being a Jedi is the biggest deal, because it’s all he grew up knowing. Anakin knows of a normal life, so he looks for love and other domestic things. That isn’t the life Obi-Wan knows. To Obi-Wan, Anakin should have been more than grateful to be given such opportunities by the Jedi and should have been following the code much more strictly.
The difference with Asajj Ventress and Anakin. Anakin was trained by the Jedi, and thanks to the Jedi being so corrupt, it was easy for him to turn the other direction.
its sad that Yoda didnt do more to save anakin i guess Yoda couldnt other than giving advice since hes at the top. i remember theres a video for the reason why Yoda position actually refrained him from doing more and being entangled with the republic also was one of the reason. Obi Wan during the fight with Anakin in revenge of the sith fought against anakin not because he wanted to but he was rather forced to since anakin was being vader. Obi wan also couldnt deal the killing blow since its not just because its the jedi way to not kill people without weapon but mainly because of obi wan love for anakin as a brother which could not do it and if he actually did it, he would have started falling into the dark side.
I dunno. Im not sure the genocidal maniac who literally kills children was redeemed by killing the emperor. I mean he was to luke, but i dont think anything he could have done even if vader lived for another century after RotJ he could fully redeem himself from all his evil. Do you know how Ben thought about Xanatos when he was older? Here is another dark jedi who he and qui gon had to kill. I would think this was too far gone, like vader and maul. Ben knew they would not be possibly redeemed.
I have a fun question I know jebi protected their light sabers with the force and Vader Protected his Buttons with the force But why didn't anyone use the force to crush eye balls or other Small Body Parts that would Make it harder to focus or to brake small parts inside of the light sabers to Cause malfunctions
Kenobi was not impersonal when it came to Anakin and Vader. Kenobi was shattered because he went against the Council to train Anakin, and then he sees Anakin slaughtering younglings. When Kenobi saw Vader burning, he was not merciful and killed Vader, Kenobi let Vader suffer.
You need to look into a lot more than what you think even the movie explains his fear of losing Padme he didn't want Power It Was Fear that trun to the dark side
It was prob the whole Vader torturing his daughter, killing Jedi younglings, having Luke’s uncle killed, all those killings in the army in navy by force choke, cutting off his sons hands....yup
I think its because obi-wan and anakin was like father and son, and anakin was no more, betraying his father. Obi wan thought that he couldnt come back, because he saw everyone he loved hurt by him.
From the perspective of a Jedi and the cornerstones of the Jedi teachings Obi Wan was right. Obi Wan however stands as an example as to why the Order fell, he lost touch with the basic humanity of people separating themselves too far into spiritual and less into the physical aspects of the human condition and everything that led Anakin to fall to the dark side exclusively falls on his basic desire to have a family, to be with his mother, to be with Padme and to have children and once he became disillusioned with the ability to obtain them he truly fell. Luke however offered him a bridge to the 1 thing he truly wanted which was to have a family. If you remember in the Darth Vader comic when Vader is corrupting his first Lightsaber crystal he is given a vision of him killing Sidious exclusively on the basis of "doing the right thing" to which Vader rejects because he doesn't care for that, at this point he's lost faith in having the only thing he truly wanted. So in a way Obi Wan was right, from a certain point of view.
Dumb question but was the story of Kyle Katarn canon or legends? I remember from Jedi outcast and Jedi academy there was a good plot with him and the struggles.
A quote I saw on the internet actually summed up quite nicely. "Redeeming someone from the dark side is like helping a recovering heroin addict who is still holding drugs. It is possible but whatever corrupted the person will always be within reach."
If not for me I should update my Jedi power ups when play The Force Unleashed game,because when I was playing walk through the game and got in a boss fight with Lord vader, he through me Across the plat forms like a ragdoll and I died very fast,because I have no leavel ups even level1 that is why Darth Vader is scary and creepy Terrified whith now Upgraded levels up of the Force.
*deep inhalation* "A young jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil; helped the empire hunt down and destroy the jedi knights... He betrayed and murdered your father."
There wasn't a lot of records of Revan left. i remember correctly only two holocrons were left that had recordings of Revan's teachings. One ended up in the vault in the Jedi Temple, only accessible to the Jedi Grandmaster, and the other, which was hidden in the planet Lehon, which by then had been long forgotten by the Order, was rendered nonfunctional around the time of the 7th Battle of Ruusan, 1000 years prior to the prequels. It taught Darth Bane the basis for what became the Rule of Two, before shutting down forever due to a flaw in its construction.
Darth Vader: (Throws the emperor down a shaft)
Darth Vader: "It's over emperor, I have the high ground."
Lol
That is what I indeed thought.
Yes you do master general skyguy sir
Also vader: "It's over Obi-Wan, I have the high ground!"
Kenobi (ghost): "You underestimate my power!"
Darth vader: "Don't try it!"
Kenobi (ghost): "NYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
"the brightest light casts the darkest shadow" - Revenge of the Sith novel 😉
Just FYI: it's ripped off from J.W. Goethe's play "Götz von Berlichingen".
@ColHoganGer90
Goethe, from memory 'borrowed it' in turn from some Hebrew Prophet.
I have heard that Joseph Flavius also quotes this line.
“He’s more machine now than man. Twisted and evil.”
Lol said the man who basically turned him into that
Emiliano Ramos Jr. Anakin turned himself into that.
@@emiliovgc507 He deserved it
@@OukiLips Last time I check Obi-Wan was the one who cut off his limbs.
@@juliemcintyre428 As three people above you said, he deserved it. He killed 3 dozen children.
Obi wan: meh anakin's fine and hasn't had a tragic life. Anakin after being kidnapped by space hippies from slavery and being used as a child soldier: what
Well Anakin grow up with a huge sandbox so he shoud be just fine. :d
In Obi's defense, he did watch him choke his wife after watching a holo-recording of him killing a shitload of jedis of various ages.
And she was pregnant, what would you think if a man attacked his own pregnant wife after leading a religious genocide.
Not to mention he killed children...
Then he looked down from the high ground while anakin burning alive.
That's a lie
@@allyportman8009 skyguy didn't choke me palpatine did kill me
I once thought of a little scene if Starkiller lived and trained Luke and was with him in that scene on Dagobah
Luke: Did you know?
Galen: No. But I always sensed great self-loathing in him. Maybe that’s why he trained me so brutally, to make me feel some of the pain he felt. Maybe Ben didn’t tell you because he was afraid how you’d react. So, what will you do now that you know the truth?
Luke: I’m gonna try and save him. I know deep down there is still good in him.
Galen: Luke. Your intentions are admirable but naive. The man you think your father is, the man you want him to be, is dead. Trust me, whoever Anakin Skywalker was, Vader is not
I’d love to hear him and Ashoka debate on if Vader was redeemable or not. I’m sure she would side with Luke and try to redeem her former master, while Galen and Obi-wan would think it impossible.
@@thunderstudent Ahsoka tried in rebels and almost lost her life in the fight. She might be more pessimistic about redeeming her former master at first, but then relize that if anyone could do it his own son might be able to. She'd help Luke in anyway she can even teaching him what she learned from Anakin as his apprentice.
@@NinjaKitty91_ she definitely would have made Luke a better duelist. She knew all of both Vader's and Anakin's best lightsaber moves and Force abilities. And maybe she couldn't have done some of it, but she could definitely teach it all.
Yeah sounds about right for Jedi Master Starkiller... DEFINITELY woulda made Luke a much better fighter that's for sure. Being trained by 3 powerful masters, 1 still quite capable of fighting, instead of just 2 old ones, that basically like to spend all their twilight years hiding.
Well Luke proved them wrong!
Vader was free of the restraints he ALWAYS resented...But he was NEVER HAPPY with his new life...which may explain why he was still pulled to his son upon learning of his existence!
Nobody’s ever really gone!
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There is only the High Ground!
“Nobody’s ever really gone” came from return of the Jedi and the “high ground” came from revenge of the sith
Edit: it appears that I was wrong about nobody’s ever really gone
Sub or you are against Trump in 2020 so clearly you care more about whining about the current state of Star Wars than you do about the first 6 films
Réd Rôsé it seems that I was wrong but I could’ve sworn he had said it before ep 8 could just be my bad memory
Revan to everyone saying no one can be redeemed: am I a joke to you
I believe that I've read somewhere that the old Jedi Masters counted Revan as the same as Ulic Qel-Droma (1:40), that he was never completely immersed in the Dark Side. That, or he's an exception due to his memory loss effectively giving him a reset.
I think is both, Revan was more of a tactician rather than Malak who destroyed anything of the republic he came across. It’s said a few times in both KOTOR games that Revan left military structures and certain things intact to either use them again or other reasons. Where as Malak destroyed it all, like when he gave the order to bomb Telos. Malak was completely corrupted, but Revan probably was not and then the mind erase happened. Just my $0.02
Eric Riley Revan only fell to the dark side because he believed the republic needed to be conquered and strengthened if they couldn’t handle the Mandalorians in his mind they had no chance against the Sith Empire of Vitiate. When he met Vitiate he did fall because he did fear the republic losing to the Sith Empire ruled by Vitiate aka Valkorion/ Darth Tenebrae.
His love and fear for the Republic is much like Anakin and Padme.. That’s why the Jedi say love is dangerous but I think love is what redeems Dark Siders too.
It’s like Buddhism where too much attachment to the physical world can make you do evil things to protect these attachments and you need to be able to let go. A very simplified way of what I’m saying is Revan fell because he loved the Republic and the dark side seems to amplify emotions as much as the emotions amp the dark side.
I feel like Reven and Dooku are similar in that way. Neither really "fell" to the darkside but rather joined the darkside as a means to a good end. Reven joined becaused he need the power to stop the sith from destroying the Republic and Dooku joined becaused Palpatine convinced him that the Republic was too corrupted and the only way for there to be peace is for Palpatine to be in charge. If Dooku had survived the prequals I think he would have realized his error and joined the rebels if not outright killed Palpatine, one of the reasons Palpatine got Anakin to kill him at the end of the clone wars.
GrimmShadows The good old path to hell with good intentions
Goooooood, goooooooooood
No high ground for Obi-Wan when Luke helped Anakin redeem himself. If you really think about it, Obi-Wan didn't do very much to even try to pull Anakin back from the Dark Side in Revenge of the Sith. All he was spouting about was that "Sith deal in absolutes" (yea, and the Jedi don't? 🤔) and that his allegiance was to the Republic, to democracy. Obi-Wan, don't you realize that democracy is what got the Jedi Order screwed in the first place?
He never tried to get to the heart of what was really eating at Anakin. All Obi-Wan did was speak on what he thought was right, when it had diddly squat to do with what Anakin was going through.
Which like Obi won admitted, was his greatest failure.
Yeah, Obi-Wan seemed less sympathetic and a little bit angry. Then he said "Only a Sith deals in absolutes", which is an absolute statement in itself. He didn't try to appeal to Anakin's lighter emotions, but instead fed his anger. Although, Anakin did choke Padme as soon as he saw Obi-Wan show up, so I don't actually know if he could be redeemed at that point.
Anakin had just remorselessly murdered a bunch of people (including many children) and certainly didn't have any justifiable reason for doing so. Given the circumstances I can understand Obi Wan not being very sympathetic.
@@glasses685 True, but Anakin was a brother to him, in his own words. But Obi-Wan never even tried to appeal to his better judgement.
He didn't have much time. He found out about his best friend and 'brother' committing the mass murder of nearly everyone Obi Wan had ever known, as well as a large number of children. Then, upon seeing him, Anakin was choking his own wife and mother of his unborn children. Maybe Yoda could have kept his cool, but Obi Wan was closer to the situation due to his love of Anakin. Obi Wan was angry, and hadn't had time to process everything. It was a horrible situation and Anakin had just destroyed any and all trust they had before then.
"I have failed you Anakin.... I have failed you"
Yes you did
*Obi Wan:* Vader is beyond evil. There’s no hope for him. Nothing can redeem him.
*Luke:* I’m going to end this man’s whole career
He still is. Even if Vader survived, he would never be allowed to show his face in public again and will constantly be hunted by people vowing revenge from rebels to friends and family of jedi killed.
You're lying to my son Luke skyguy
The funny thing is that Vader's defeat on Mustafar could have been what would bring him back to the Light. Obi-Wan could have used it as a lesson for Anakin and would have brought him and Padme back together to be treated at Polis Massa. And along the way Anakin would have had time to think on everything that had happened, including his turning on Padme, which nearly killed her, and the fact that Obi-wan had saved him despite everything he had done and the fact that Obi-wan was helping him save Padme (even if Obi-wan wouldn't know that was Anakin's motive at that point.) He'd become massively remorseful and guilty and would have probably been redeemed during the journey. Then once they arrived, with Anakin being redeemed and reunited with Padme, then Padme would have lived after giving birth to Luke and Leia and Anakin would have replacement limbs. Then Yoda would have had Anakin and Obi-wan train Luke and Leia in the ways of the Jedi and they would have reunited the survivors of Order 66 to come against Sidious, who would have only had the Clone Army, which would have been insufficient, despite its Jedi-killing skill, without Vader's massive power. .
Nah he went full dark side after saying “I HATE YOU!” and you can see his normal eyes turning into sith eyes.
@@theacademictaskmaster6481 he said that after he asked Obi wan for help (that was actually muted in the film, but Anakin still raised his hand asking for help)
"To have dealt him a killing blow might have been the merciful thing to do, but I had no mercy for Vader." This refusal to show compassion to his enemy not only drove Anakin further into the dark side, it proves the existence of the dark side within Obi-Wan.
Master Shim was proven right with the case of Anakin in more than one way. Having lost everything was what completed his fall, then having Luke as a beacon freed him from his self-imposed shackling to the Sith. Yes he was most definitely a Sith Lord but he always had one foot in the past (however hard he tried) & then Luke represented a step forward away from the Sith xx
Jinty M Yea, Luke represented something that Vader thought he lost with Padme: a chance to have a family.
@@99thJediWarrior representes the very thing Vader fought for once so long ago, family
Legends my friend just a legends it's irrelevant now
@@damon828 For you maybe. Still beats almost everything else Disney Star Wars ever made... like The Last Jedi.
I always figured he didn't have a plan against Darth Sidious except being killed by Sith Lightning if he killed Sidious. When Luke needed his help, he finally had a reason to kill Sidious, even if he would not replace him.
"Only the Sith deal in absolutes" Irony much?
Yep, the Jedi trully were Blinded in their Hubris/Pride :/
Even The great Obi-Wan Contradicted himself :/
Jedi have actually been said to deal in absolutes and you can definitely see evidence of that by pretty much everything they say
How very true all these comments are. Obi Wan, I will do what I must………stay away from both sides! And oh ho ho I will most certainly try!
It’s not ironic. Obi wan means the sith deal in absolutes in their desires, for example if you don’t join them or serve them, they’ll kill you. That’s the absolute he’s referring to. The jedi didn’t act in that way to obtain their goals. They had rules but it wasn’t to dominate other people. If Anakin begged obi wan for mercy at Mustafar, the jedi code would compel him to show mercy. The sith could would compel you to destroy the person. It’s a big difference
Jar Jar is the only one who can't be redeemed.
Go past the dark side and there's a dumb-ass side of the force. Training mostly consists of stepping on rakes and falling down stairs. Jar Jar is a master.
If Darth Jar Jar theory would be true, he would be redeemed lol
Worst Jar jar abrams
@@jeanvaljean9293 Always two there are..one to destroy the prequels and the other to destroy the sequels...
Poor jar jar. Always over hated
Yoda "forever will it dominate you're destiny"
Quinlan Voz "I'm I a joke to you"
Every time I want to feel sorry for anakin I remember he killed a large amount of children
Very true l feel the same way.
Yeah, fuck him. He got what he deserved.
lol, I mean, he was taught not to have emotions.
@@tabulldog2743 shut the hell up! fuck you!
@@altinaykor364 why you mad😂😂
It’s simple he killed Jedi younglings and tried to destroy the whole order, but i think he could’ve been redeemed but after he killed them it was constantly eating him up on the inside and to block it he embraced the dark which is why his eyes turned yellow while he was in the temple slaughtering people with a tear dropping.
Could you do a video on Luke Skywalkers temporary fall to the dark side in the Dark Empire comic? I don’t read comics and I’ve always wondered about this story line
This is a really good idea! I think I might have a few ideas that focus more on the Luke side of things for a topic like this, so I'll see what I can do with this topic. Thank you for watching and I hope you enjoy today's video!
Star Wars Reading Club I love your videos! Thanks for doing what you do
Luke went undercover but sort of got corrupted, Palpatine knew but he threatened Luke and trapped him in his new position, Luke didn't become evil but it was hard for him to return to the light
I left a like for *Pleasant Surprises*
Yoda nearly redeeming Dooku will forever be one of my favorite (missed) moments
Uhm let's see: Born into slavery, forced to stay away from his mother even when he knew she was suffering with her in the end dying in his arms, the other jedis not trusting/supporting him, with even Obi wan lying to him faking his death (event that imho severely reduced Anakin's trust in Obi Wan, since now to his eyes his master was now playing the stupid council plans while not trusting him, no wonder why Anakin decided not to tell Obi wan about Padme when she asked him to do so), the Council expels Ahsoka without any kind of trial, Ahsoka leaves him after he managed to save her, and after all of this he starts having nightmares of his wife dying, then he's denied the rank of master (that he wanted to get to the holocrons to save Padme) when he fought 3 years and did the most in winning the war, while the people on the council did either nothing or crappy decisions (yoda aside); all of this combined with 14 years of Palpatine's manipulation with the Jedis seeing nothing (i mean Obi wan tells him to pay attention to his friend Palpatine and then they send him to spy on him).
Totally no problematic life.
The even more sad thing is that after his fall to the dark side Anakin is immediately given for lost (say what you want, but showing up from Padme's ship like that (especially when she would have probably succeeded, tough in Obi wan defence he did not know that what made anakin flip was the fear of losing her) and immediately accusing Anakin of lust for power is not a way to talk to someone at the moment mentally unstable), but after 20 years of dark side all it took to redeem him was to see a part of his family (his son) and to have someone who trusted/belived in him (that was again his son).
Not because he was evil but because he had become very close to the standard jedi council ideas Obi Wan completely messed up with Anakin, before but especially after his turn
In canon.. In Rebels commentary.. Anakin and Ezra were compared and they beilive if Anakin had The Family Ezra had being the Crew.. He Would of turned out fine.. Importantly time and time again it was implied that Obi-Wan was never meant to be Anakin's teacher. Qui-Gon Jinn was meant to be anakin teacher and Father figure the same way Kannan was a father figure to Ezra.. Ezra Had The Ghost crew as Family..
Did you like counsel listen to narrowmind and unfeeling to underatand that Someone of anakin background needed accommodations.. They Failed to understand that Anakin needed A Family to be there for him.
I just feel that and can you get parental figures that needed to keep him in check and grounded.. Obi wan did his best but is Qui-Gon Jinn said he is a True Jedi of order so there's some things he won't understand about anakin. Kanan on the otherhand Had to Adapt after Order 66 and Did not care about No Marrriage or attachment Code.. considering his relationship with Hera.
The thing about family is that family has to hold each other accountable for their actions.. For Example Padme Knew about Anakin's Darkness. He Told about it when he slaughtered The Tuskon Raider and she more of that darkness In the Clone wars... turn such a blind eye to his flaws. Rather then hold him accountable and criticize him for killing the Younglings. She should very alarmed Anakin Again is willing to kill Children considering She herself is pregnant. she instead say they should run away together. Lol
Think of it like this. Superman is special not because he is an Alien.. But because he Had Responsible and nurturing parents.
why does Batman have the no kill code. because his parents are the same as Superman's parents. they were established to be good people that wanted to help others and Them Getting Killed and how It traumatized him made him into vigilante out to Stop crime but Not Killing because taking a Life Ruins the Lives of those that care about Victim.
You speak truth and true wisdom my good man
Luke had a family too. Han, Leia, Chewie, R2 and 3PO. All kept Luke grounded. Han was the big bro which probably kept him out of a few Imperial traps in the days leading up to EP V. Leia was the the one who kept everyone on mission. R2 was the one Luke could unload all of his baggage on without judgement. 3PO reminded him it was perfectly normal to be scared it's how you deal with it. Chewie taught him loyalty to a cause and your beliefs. I forgot one. Lando taught him about redemption, sure you screw up big time but you keep on going and make it right.
That is why the Emporer failed to turn him.....in spectacular fashion.
Once Vader had learned about how he had family, Luke, he started being pushed back to the light. Especially when he learned of Leia as well.
@@jameswagstaff984 thanks
@@JRGProjects True
Came for Obi-wan content, but stayed for Asajj Ventress. She is my absolute favorite character in the Star Wars Universe. I'm literally getting her Bounty Hunter helmet tattooed behind my ear for my birthday. Dark Disciple was a phenomenal read. All she sought was loyalty, but once she was free from her dark allegiance, though still angry and grouchy, she showed compassion countless times. Even finding her redemption through love. Heartbreaking, but beautiful story.
I swear, I always say: Star War = Tragedy Still, love it so damn much!!!
Well, geez, he could have grabbed him and brought him into custody. Perhaps Vader would've been redeem.
I don’t think he could. Mace Windu says Palpatine has control of the senate and the courts so Vader would likely be freed and there aren’t that many Jedi left after order 66.
You know I would've said "not yet!" but since I remember EPIII very well, knowing what happened especially when we got to Mustafar and what Palps was doing while "Vader" was there getting chopped to pieces. At that point Palps was the Senate. Maybe if Windu ran Palps thru when he had the chance and declared himself the Senate then we could have something to talk about.
Vader is practically a school shooter on steroids. He's either getting life sentence or execution if Palpatine didn't bail him out.
I mean he was born into slavery and was pulled away from his mom as a child I'm no psychologist but I think that might make some deep psychological scars
He had friends he could talk to about that, I don’t think dooku would have been a good listener to asaj
Diego Ruiz he couldn’t talk about it. talking about his mother and slave background would have pushed him further to the dark. plus the jedi of his time would have shunned him for even thinking about his past and ties. yoda maybe would have understood but the others so full of themselves and the jedi way would have cast more judgement to him and more doubt. you forget that even when a young the jedi treated him as an out cast of the order. unworthy of the chosen one title. padme was his only true home.
@@rx-0862 dude, he had a wife, and obi wan would've listened. "padme was his only true home" that was obi wan's point, he had such home
Considering a real world psychologist did a study and determined he had multiple personality disorder I say something went wrong during his time as both a slave growing up and his upbringing as an jedi
@@jameswagstaff984 i did not know about this study can you link me?
"Redemption is merely a form of spiritual collapse. A fall few recover from." ~Kreia
Honestly you'd think after the Old republic era the Jedi would've realized that war can make Jedi fall to the dark side.
What friends did he have? Ahsoka left the Jedi and resented Anakin, there was Rex a soldier that was very loyal to Anakin, the council stifled Anakin's abilities and hammered in the idea of forbidding attachment, the other padawans saw Anakin as only a slave and not worthy of being a Jedi, and Palpatine who manipulated his way to being a father figure and mentor to Anakin.
"He's more machine now than man. Twisted and e-veal."
I never liked how obi wan completely abounded anakin and didnt understand him but treated ventress like his little pet, he was a dick
Man, I think Obi-Wan's point of view is much more creative than the ones of most people from today.
Using the released movies as a basis, I actually thought of Darth Vader as someone who craved power and did evil things not as a goal, but as a means to a goal, which was to end a conflict (his words in episode 5); the Galactic Civil War. It's true he's the villain, but in a twisted way he still is the hero of his story.
Because Darth Vader was so uncivilised and never had the High Ground
To be fair Obi-Wan uses normal weapons or blasters or whatever way more than Anakin does, actually Anakin never did use them, even as Vader
If only he had listened to the wise words of the musical Jedi, Stevie Wonder. "Gonna keep on trying until I reach my higher ground"
@@TorquemadaTwist Stevie Wonder was blind to the power of the darkside...
...or any side
...sigh I'll go play in traffic now.
Hello there.
“[Vader and Ventress] knew of the loss of loved ones, and had reason to distrust the Republic and the Jedi Order." While it's nice than an orthodox Jedi like Obi-Wan would be able to acknowledge Anakin had reason to distrust the Jedi, what did Obi-Wan do to rectify this distrust? That Obi-Wan recognized this problem but did nothing to solve it only reinforced Anakin's perception that the Jedi could not be trusted.
"...when I finally caught up with Vader, I sensed nothing but pure evil about him.” More often than not, the difference between seeing something and not seeing something is that you have to be looking for it. Did Obi-Wan even try to sense anything about his former apprentice besides evil? Or was Obi-Wan so accepting of Yoda’s prior statement that Anakin was consumed by Darth Vader, that Obi-Wan would not have recognized any remnant of goodness in Vader even if it was evident to everyone else? On arriving on Mustafar, Padmé actively tried to pull Anakin back from his inner darkness, whereas Obi-Wan made no such effort-yet another lack of action on Obi-Wan’s part that added to the circumstances of Anakin’s fall.
"For unlike Ventress, Vader was not a victim of unfortunate circumstances.” Does spending the first ten years of your life as a slave not qualify as unfortunate circumstances in Obi-Wan’s view? Or being separated from the only parent you’ve ever known? Or having that parent die in your arms? What sort of trauma has to befall a Jedi before the Jedi is qualified as a victim of unfortunate circumstances in Obi-Wan’s view?
“[Vader] was not a weak being who feared abandonment.” On the contrary, Anakin very much feared abandonment, this fear being a contributor to his development of relationships outside the Jedi Order. Ironically, in his self-imposed perception that Darth Vader had consumed and destroyed Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan himself is guilty of abandoning Anakin.
“[Darth Vader] was a powerful man who had been given opportunities to better himself, yet he only craved more power.” In its loosest sense, a Sith is a Force-user who craves power only for the sake of power. This description is accurate for Darth Sidious and Darth Maul, who both craved power as an end in itself, but not for Darth Tyrannus and Darth Vader, who both craved power as a means to an end. Were Dooku and Anakin wrong in wanting to remedy legitimate problems within the galaxy? Of what value is the desire to remedy legitimate problems if you are unwilling and/or unable to enact the remedies to those problems? For an orthodox Jedi like Obi-Wan, a Force-user’s motive for seeking power seems to have no relevance-if a Force-user craves power for any reason, the mere act of craving power qualifies the Force-user as a Sith. Ironically, this definition of good and evil by action rather than intention puts Jedi philosophy in line with the concept of “master morality” as propounded by Friedrich Nietzsche, whose repudiation of compassion for the weak and exultation of the will to power are the cornerstones of Sith philosophy; and when the Jedi and the Sith are both sounding like Nietzsche, that should be cause for alarm. In other words, Obi-Wan’s looking at the speck in his brother’s eye but not paying attention to the plank in his own eye is what makes Darth Vader his greatest failure.
I think it's cool that Obi-Wan and Ventress got some closure to their odd relationship/bond given all they went through in the Clone Wars, both fighting each other and also teaming up from time to time.
As always, wonderful video!
If someone had essentially made me a quadriplegic before leaving me to burn in a lava pit, and THEN he tries to "redeem" me; I'd just want to slice and dice him into little tiny pieces
Even though it was your own fault for trying to kill that person in the first place?
Staying in the Grey...know what’s good and understand what can make one turn towards the dark💯
What I got from this is, we humans pick and choose what’s to be forgiven and what isn’t.
It doesn't sound like Obi Wan knew Revans story or if he did then just came to the conclusion that Anakin had no chance of redemption in comparison to what Revan went through
At around 1:40 he mentions Ulic Qel-Droma (Exar Kun's former apprentice) and how it was believed that he had never truly immersed himself fully in the dark side. I think I've read somewhere that the Jedi regarded Revan as the same.
If not for meee... For the Younglings.
X,D
..it's so fucked up what happened to the Younglings..
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..we don't speak of it..
The part of this comment that made me laugh, was I READ the comment in His voice...
"If not for meeee,..
..... For the Younglings :D (shows picture of them ._. )"
Man when Vader fell to the Darkside .... he *FELL* to the Darkside :/ ... like Rock Bottom "Attack your pregnant Wife" bottom of the Darkside :/. He might as well been Darth MAUL and done it himself ._. we all know The Emperor did it though in order to seal Vader's fate and corruption of the Darkside :"/!
For this reason alone.. "DON'T Dew it!" ;) INSTEEEEAD...
... someone should've just tried to sell Palpatine some Death sticks at one of those Trippy clubs he likes hangin out at X,D!
Dealer: "..sooo, Yah wanna buy sum Dea- Sith Sticks :D!?"
Palpatine: "... ahh, SCRew IT!"
X"D LMFAOOOOO!
@@AlexLopez-vm7uq Best ever comment! And the cruel irony really.
Obi wan is a fool the Jedi made Darth Vader because they didn't help even when he asked they turned him into a power hungry monster and when he acted on it they are saddened by it
Obi-Wan Kenobi is what we call a snob. Its what happens to people when they spend too much time with self important space hippies.
You fail to see the extreme moral greyness of the situation, ironically similar to Kenobi.
Obi Wan didn't know about Anakin's dream of Padme dying was the driving force (pun) towards him embracing the dark side. He knew about their relationship, but didn't know about the premonition.
You should make a video of Grandmaster Luke's most ridiculous feats from the Old EU/Legends series...
Obi-Wan was lost when he thought that Vader couldn't be redeemed.
What would you think of a man who assaults his own pregnant wife after leading a religious genocide against an order he betrayed.
If you fall to chaos, redemption is out of the question
See, I would have just said, "child murder," full stop, and left it at that.
Great video
"This is the way.."
Anakin was too consumed with rage... there was no other way. One must ultimately die. Either Ani or Obi...
Someone should have just given Anakin a snickers.
Well when you kill little kids without batting an eye and end up turning the Republic upside down. Not to mention he forced choked the woman he claimed to love. Anakin sold his soul to keep Padme safe and ended up choosing power over the very reason he did all of it in the first place.
Luke didn't experience everything Obi-Wan did and children often love their parents despite their parents not deserving of it. Luke had Faith while Obi-Wan's burned with Anakin on Mustafar. If Luke had seen his father commit all of Vader's crimes I bet he would have had a different outlook.
Yoda and Obi-Wan should have both went to stop Vader on Mustafar, if not to kill him, just to capture him. Vader could have been used to draw out Sidious and they might of had hope of redeeming Vader in the aftermath.
Definitely excited obi wan Kenobi series and upcoming clone wars season 7
It makes perfect sense for Obi-Wan to find it infuriating or annoying that Anakin would “whine” about being part of the Jedi. Obi-Wan was firstly, consistently being rejected to be taken as a padawan, especially by Qui-Gon. And Anakin just suddenly gets so much praise and appreciation from his master. He doesn’t let his jealousy get in the way though. All Obi-Wan ever properly felt was having to be a working-class type Jedi. Despite showing a great deal of Force sensitivity, he still had to put an effort into proving his worth. He eventually starts to embrace the Jedi code more, not just as an act of rebellion from his former master, but because he believes it’s a way of proving that worth as a Jedi. He watches his master die and avenges his death, but the last words of his master don’t even contain any final words of appreciation, just Anakin.
Then suddenly, Anakin is handed everything: power, skill, IMMEDIATELY GETS A MASTER, and is well-respected by everybody due to said power. And all Anakin does, in his eyes, at least, is take it as if it wasn’t at all a big deal. To Obi-Wan, being a Jedi is the biggest deal, because it’s all he grew up knowing. Anakin knows of a normal life, so he looks for love and other domestic things. That isn’t the life Obi-Wan knows. To Obi-Wan, Anakin should have been more than grateful to be given such opportunities by the Jedi and should have been following the code much more strictly.
Reven:”Am I a joke to you?”
Guess Revan’s tale had been lost to time as all that remains of Revan’s legacy is the rule of two the sith follow.
vader: throw down palpatine
Obi-wan force ghost: another happy landing.
The difference with Asajj Ventress and Anakin. Anakin was trained by the Jedi, and thanks to the Jedi being so corrupt, it was easy for him to turn the other direction.
Even after the jedi knew reven had bounced from one side of the force to the other and back again
He does say to Maul the person he's protecting on Tattooine is the Chosen One, he believes, so clearly this sentiment was Canon too
He killed younglings. A lot of younglings. Yet, he was redeemed.
I thought you'd put "if not for me, for redemption" and image of Revan.
It was hard Vader but yet he had a lot of light in him as well just as much as venturous
Well Vader did kill a room full of kids so....
its sad that Yoda didnt do more to save anakin i guess Yoda couldnt other than giving advice since hes at the top. i remember theres a video for the reason why Yoda position actually refrained him from doing more and being entangled with the republic also was one of the reason.
Obi Wan during the fight with Anakin in revenge of the sith fought against anakin not because he wanted to but he was rather forced to since anakin was being vader. Obi wan also couldnt deal the killing blow since its not just because its the jedi way to not kill people without weapon but mainly because of obi wan love for anakin as a brother which could not do it and if he actually did it, he would have started falling into the dark side.
I'd say the same thing about someone slaughtering younglings in cold blood.
I dunno. Im not sure the genocidal maniac who literally kills children was redeemed by killing the emperor. I mean he was to luke, but i dont think anything he could have done even if vader lived for another century after RotJ he could fully redeem himself from all his evil.
Do you know how Ben thought about Xanatos when he was older? Here is another dark jedi who he and qui gon had to kill. I would think this was too far gone, like vader and maul. Ben knew they would not be possibly redeemed.
I have a fun question I know jebi protected their light sabers with the force and Vader Protected his Buttons with the force But why didn't anyone use the force to crush eye balls or other Small Body Parts that would Make it harder to focus or to brake small parts inside of the light sabers to Cause malfunctions
It’s called force shield, it protects you and (most of the time) things you’re holding, you have to have some power to pierce through it
This was a good one!
Mabye Obiwan is alot more optimistic in Canon
Kenobi was not impersonal when it came to Anakin and Vader. Kenobi was shattered because he went against the Council to train Anakin, and then he sees Anakin slaughtering younglings. When Kenobi saw Vader burning, he was not merciful and killed Vader, Kenobi let Vader suffer.
I always thought it was because he couldn't bring himself to finish the job.
A child's love was enough to redeem Anakin Skywalker, but it could never erase the history of Darth Vader
Obi Wan “How Good is your excuse”
I know that general father kenobi sir master
You need to look into a lot more than what you think even the movie explains his fear of losing Padme he didn't want Power It Was Fear that trun to the dark side
Ulic is alright, but I hear his brother can be quite... disarming.
It was prob the whole Vader torturing his daughter, killing Jedi younglings, having Luke’s uncle killed, all those killings in the army in navy by force choke, cutting off his sons hands....yup
Because he forgot about the importance of the High Ground.
Luke: hold my beer
I think its because obi-wan and anakin was like father and son, and anakin was no more, betraying his father. Obi wan thought that he couldnt come back, because he saw everyone he loved hurt by him.
Because not even the younglings survived.
From the perspective of a Jedi and the cornerstones of the Jedi teachings Obi Wan was right. Obi Wan however stands as an example as to why the Order fell, he lost touch with the basic humanity of people separating themselves too far into spiritual and less into the physical aspects of the human condition and everything that led Anakin to fall to the dark side exclusively falls on his basic desire to have a family, to be with his mother, to be with Padme and to have children and once he became disillusioned with the ability to obtain them he truly fell. Luke however offered him a bridge to the 1 thing he truly wanted which was to have a family. If you remember in the Darth Vader comic when Vader is corrupting his first Lightsaber crystal he is given a vision of him killing Sidious exclusively on the basis of "doing the right thing" to which Vader rejects because he doesn't care for that, at this point he's lost faith in having the only thing he truly wanted.
So in a way Obi Wan was right, from a certain point of view.
Nobody’s ever irredeemable!
In order for me to enjoy these videos like I used to, I have to pretend the sequels don’t exist.
I just realized so Kenobi sparing Vader at Mustafar allowed for Luke to live against Palpatine. Similar to letting Gollum live.
Dumb question but was the story of Kyle Katarn canon or legends? I remember from Jedi outcast and Jedi academy there was a good plot with him and the struggles.
Unfortunately at this time it's Legends material, as anything not in film or officially recognized writings is.
Well he was redeemed by luke when he died on the death star
Krzysztof Bartczak it happened in return of the Jedi, which was released in 1983, so you’re a little late 😂
@@strawberrymilk467 i saw those movies in early 2001
I love the Saj ventures in dark disciple before that I didn't like her either
A quote I saw on the internet actually summed up quite nicely. "Redeeming someone from the dark side is like helping a recovering heroin addict who is still holding drugs. It is possible but whatever corrupted the person will always be within reach."
Was it the younglings, it was the younglings wasn't it.
He killed all of those kids. I dare anyone try to redeem that.
Easy.
*"Mercy Kills"*
Those children were destined to fall to the woke side of the force, anakin spared us that terrible possibility.
@@ryanmarr5243 gawd leave politics out of this
If not for me I should update my Jedi power ups when play The Force Unleashed game,because when I was playing walk through the game and got in a boss fight with Lord vader, he through me Across the plat forms like a ragdoll and I died very fast,because I have no leavel ups even level1 that is why Darth Vader is scary and creepy Terrified whith now Upgraded levels up of the Force.
"I LOVED YOU ANAKIN...YOU WERE MY BROTHER"
*I HATE SAND!!!!*
Um, yea... He murdered those kids at the Jedi temple
*deep inhalation* "A young jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil; helped the empire hunt down and destroy the jedi knights... He betrayed and murdered your father."
He murdered a bunch of kids because he thought the jedi were evil. You can’t go back from that.
So they never heard about Revan?
There wasn't a lot of records of Revan left. i remember correctly only two holocrons were left that had recordings of Revan's teachings. One ended up in the vault in the Jedi Temple, only accessible to the Jedi Grandmaster, and the other, which was hidden in the planet Lehon, which by then had been long forgotten by the Order, was rendered nonfunctional around the time of the 7th Battle of Ruusan, 1000 years prior to the prequels. It taught Darth Bane the basis for what became the Rule of Two, before shutting down forever due to a flaw in its construction.