Student Philosopher: Nietzsche, Apollo & Dionysus
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Friedrich Nietzsche believed that human life is fundamentally divided into the 'Apollonian' and the 'Dionysian'.
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My apollonian side wants to pay attention, but my dyonisian side can't stop thinking about how hot she is. Damn you Nietzsche.
Lol
^Beta
Don't blame Nietzche, blame Zeus!
2cents anyone who calls another person beta is most likely beta themselves.
Malachaip Pulidop
^ beta
He also knew Greek and Latin, by the way!
A knowledge of Greek and Latin is very useful in understanding science and the humanities. It adds depth and discipline and explains terminology with greater accuracy and provides historical and mythological depth. I wish more schools had it on their curriculum
clamda I had classical Greek and Latin during my middle school years but I wish I appreciated it more. At the time it was all just boring to me, but now it all seems so interesting.
+The School of Life You're brilliant.
+Mia McGee The best way to get something is to give it away... You are Great and wonderful
clamda the new french president emmanuel macron is planning to restore latin learning in france 's high school
When she started with „I`ve fallen a bit in love“ I was like: „same“. She is so freaking cute and that accent is to die for
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This may just be the later Nietzsche, but after he's combined the two ideas into one, which he also calls the Dionysian, he wants Man to overcome his carnality by sublimating it into higher actions, such as the sex drive into love poetry since both are manifestations of the will to power but the latter involves more power. His view of the Ubermensch being the strong and passionate man who controls himself and 'adds style' to his existence: Goethe. Thanks for all your videos.
William Rupp Kind of like becoming a Gay Preacher right? Or a Pornstar becoming a Teacher or Principal?
I find your view very nice, it reminds me of my alchemical studies back when. Transmute the gold, it's within.
Penny Rain Almost, but those are professions, not drives. He suggests maintaining the aim, but altering the means, i.e. love poetry still being an expression of sensuality. Naturally it's fine to have sex, but in those instances where you can't, i.e. the woman/man rejected you, rather than drinking the problem away or repressing it, you instead create poetry, music or whatever art form you prefer. This sublimates the passion without repressing it.
good comment
Then doesn't it just make his entire work subjective advice by an emotionally controlled person. I mean if in case the woman he desired had accepted his proposal, he wouldn't have created his work, or more importantly, he wouldn't have agreed with work similar to his?
I had professors who didn't seem to understand this and certainly couldn't articulate it so accurately and concisely at the same time. His final interpretation of Dionysus was very much a unification of the Greek conception of both dispositions. Interestingly, in ancient Greece, the two Gods (Apollo and Dionysus) originally had largely overlapping qualities, but they became more distinct as Greece approached its inevitable collapse. It would appear that we have entered the same stage of our cultural cycle, which might explain why this particular dichotomy has appealed to people of late, and also why we interpret these concepts as if they are polemic contradictions, rather than essential aspects to a grander harmonious integrity.
I always think it's important to keep in mind how much of an influence Schopenhauer was on Nietzsche--particularly at this point in his academic life. For Nietzsche, the Apollonian-Dionysian isn't just a point of psychology for Nietzsche, but the essence of the will ('Will' in the Schopenhauerian sense, not necessarily the 'will' as in 'freewill'): from the preface to Wagner, "I am convinced that art represents the highest task and the truly metaphysical activity of this life"--aesthetics = metaphysics...in the sense that metaphysical drives and impulses (aspects of the Will) become the expression of aesthetics. Nietzsche thereby comes to us as the bridge that allows people like Freud, and almost all 20th century psychology, to occur (Nietzsche and Schopenhauer). There are these metaphysical drives that exist as Will (later, for Nietzsche, Will to Power) and demand satiation; we are nothing more than expressions of these metaphysical drives--so we can repress them but we can't eradicate ourselves of them. Birth of Tragedy becomes, I think, particularly beautiful when Nietzsche writes about how science, being an Apollonian expression, needs some kind of Dionysian companion to go along with it (sections 14 and 15); it's not enough to sustain a culture, or the way that a society depends upon a culture/cultural expressions to justify the challenges of life as Tragedy did in Ancient Greece before Socrates--we remember here, of course, that Nietzsche is writing at a period of great change in Germany, and he's desperate for Germany to establish for itself a healthy culture, involving both aspects of the Will. Later in his life, Nietzsche becomes obsessed with seeing the Will as Will to Power rather than as possessing the duality of Apollonian-Dionysian, with the duality becoming a means of diagnosing either repression or acceptance of the Will to Power--hence his aligning himself with Dionysus at the end of his life, even signing off one of his last letters before collapsing, 'Dionysus'.
Sorry for rambling--wonderful video as always.
I heard none of this, and its not because of the sound quality.
Mongol JJ I understand the humor of this joke, but I must gather your attention and point out that your avatar is not a person but a dog. Just making sure you're okay.
Broderick Gerano Wait WHAT! I'M A DOG!
me too! and I'm really confused how she can even think to fell in love with that person. I'm offended since such girl deserves better than that. At least she should go into science not in philosophy .
If you were a classmate of mine in college I would have never quit studying philosophy.
Sisy Phos niceee.
Tom Scharf The power of a woman with brains.
Razor Ex
no, the power of a woman with tits and a vagina
Tom Scharf Um, is there any other kind of woman?
Tom Scharf
Shemales are females? You're the expert, so I defer to your knowledge.
"Apollo could not live without Dionysos. The 'Titanic' and 'barbaric' was ultimately just as much of a necessity as the Apolline!"
Friedrich Nietzsche - The Birth of Tragedy
Existentialist Dasein Every reason needs a bit of madness
Dionysus couldn't live without Apollo either .
this is an ASMR experience...
this was the first Nietzsche i read too. i think that he later refined these ideas in order to think about science and art. at his most optimistic moments about the future, he seemed to embrace science, at his most melancholic, he needed the pleasures of art. i can definitely relate
Nietzsche was probably the key philosopher that helped propel me into a larger, braver world of reason and wonder.
We all fall in love with Emma by her charm but also by her wisdom like she said on her video about platonic love
As far as I understand, like most things in life, a balance is required.
The overly "Dionysian," folks tend to act without thinking, or by ignoring the possible consequences of their actions. The "Apollonians" are those that think too much, yet act too little; they watch life pass by them as they think it through by standing on the side, largely motionless.
The fine centre would be to think honestly, and rationally, without letting our thoughts discourage, get in the way of the actions we ought to, and want to undertake. Would that be right?
Also, any works to recommend in literature, films, magazines, or even music, for a teen interested in studying philosophy? Thanks. As per always, great video.
Excellent comment. I've been struggling with finding this balance. It's been three years since you wrote this. Have you come any closer to figuring things out? Any wisdom you might be able to give me? :)
philosophizethis podcast is great 😉
@@SamMoreno970 Not sure if you're still looking for the answer but I recommend exploring Carl Jung's works. He studied Nietzsche and wrote about Individuation, the process of integrating one's Shadow. The Jungian Shadow mostly corresponds with the "Dionysian", and it's worth looking into, I believe.
Sexual Personae by Camille Paglia. It takes the Apollonian/Dionysian split and analyses western art through it
Accepted and The Doors.
With respect how can either ever 'find' balance? How could you make ever tame a wild one? Or wild a tame one? Sincerely, camel, lion & baby
He also had syphilis, my dear.
Good luck with the relationship...
Interesting, but he wasn't very sexually active, was he?
@@michaelp.4890 Everyone was sexually active. See how many europeans are there now.
@@nantzstein3311 Nope. Schopenhauer was a virgin all his life due to his views.
you spelt necrophilia wrong
_"Many scholars have argued that Nietzsche’s dementia was caused by syphilis. A careful review of the evidence suggests that this consensus is probably incorrect. _*_The syphilis hypothesis is not compatible with most of the evidence available._*
_Other hypotheses - such as slowly growing right-sided retro-orbital meningioma - provide a more plausible fit to the evidence."_
- Leonard Saxman MD PhD
www.leonardsax.com/what-was-the-cause-of-nietzsches-dementia/
She is so beautiful. And love that she's talking about something actually informative
Was she talking?
I've noticed something among many philosophers, and not just philosophers, but psychoanalysts.
The concept of Apollonian and Dionysian, judging by this video (haven't read Nietzsche yet for fear of misinterpreting him, reading Greek philosophy instead) seems to be a slightly different interpretation of a concept also theorized by Freud; the Id, (the Ego) and the Superego, Dionysian being the Id, naturally, and Superego the Apollonian side of us. There are key differences, mostly that these were unconscious for Freud, but the principles seem very much the same to me. Both seem to, in essence, propose that one ought to make amends between the two and satisfy both.
It also draws some parallels with Lacan's the Real, the Symbolic and the Imaginary, although these are far more branching and arguably complex concepts.
This video got me intrigued, it makes me realize the staggering parallels in ways of thinking; Greeks and Buddhists both seem to polarize in favor of one over the other, with passions being more or less the root of all unhappiness, or at the very least, as Plato put it, the meaning of happiness being the end of desire.
I know Greeks were not all for eliminating passions altogether but rather subjugating them in favor of reason, with nevertheless a somewhat stoic lifestyle seems to be the key to happiness by more than one Greek philosopher. Would be interesting to read up on philosophers challenging that view.
Does anyone know any books that explore the subject more? What would be a good book to start Nietzsche with? Would Birth of Tragedy be a good starting point?
Freud was greatly influenced by Nietzsche
I’d suggest reading some Carl Jung. The ID is what drives us according to Jung. I don’t think it’s fair to say that Dionysus was wholly unconscious. I think that Apollo and Dionysus were both unconscious of each other… The super ego is the partnership between the ID and the Ego (Dionysus and Apollo). When the two are able to work in unison, then the super ego is able to flourish.
Freud plagiarised Plato like Newton plagiarised Galileo.
Feud Jung both came up with everything through this
Do a video on the ubermensch, please.
Yeah, it's about time!
Povilas Račkauskas seconded
"Thanks, Friedrich" at the end had me stunned for a bit - as I forgot Nietzsche's name is Friedrich - because so is mine.
3:03 I watch this part 100 times and never get tired of it. I'm in love.
I am amazed at the timing of your particular videos on this channel. I have an exam on this exact topic - among others of course - Tomorrow morning. Philosophy is so beautiful :)
Philosophy starts where religion ends
Western philosophy progressed when we started drifting away from strict church influenced philosophy a-la Aristotle. The god used by modern philosophers was not the same god religion talked about - and even that concept is considered "the trash can" of modern philosophy, because it was often used as a patch when they couldn't answer to a hole in their theory.
They are related, but great philosophy tends to stay away from religion as an explanation.
***** Lol, I love the direct "I dont really want to read it"
This is true that there are lots of counter arguments.
I feel like this world is made up of Religions that are actually guides to perform Ritual Magic. It gets shaky when you start to bring up the concept of "Tulpa" to a religious person.
All love to the world though.
***** I get you friend. But some of these people only know part of the truth. There was a time when we all knew nothing at all. To be HERE on this video on Philo says alot about someone. Shoot I feel like a baby everyday relearning things.
Did you know if you Sungaze you can acquire powers and become Ubersmench?
I think we need to be taught philosophy and energy,metaphysics early on, I'd say 6th grade(Mythology level).
***** Yes, I think a well rounded person is key. In the U.S. here, (i'm not sure which country your from) we are taught merely to memorize 90% of meaningless things. It's crazy. When I say taught Science and Spirituality as a whole species, picture a Hogwarts with DaVinci, Buddha, Tesla, Margaret Knight, Dawkins :)
Fantastic book indeed. The conflict between the Dionysian and the Apollonian, between aesthetic pleasure and moral duty. This is something Kierkegaard wrote about as well. Also, if we must let the Dionysian influence us in order to understand ourselves better... I believe our dear friend Marquis de Sade put it well when he said "in order to know virtue we must first acquaint ourselves with vice".
The music is a cover of Innsbruck by Owain Phyfe :-)
I LOVE YOU !
Thankuu
you tell nietzsche you are in love with him, and he says: shit i forgot the whip, i'll be right back
A rather complex book, but I think this is a good summary.
I prefer Dionysus, son of Juice.
This channel is amazing, one of the few places I can go on the internet and receive actual discourse that makes me think. I learn something new with every video, keep it up! :D
what hapenned to your vlog?
I'm going to hire her to speak to me over my death bed; the closest thing to heaven I'll ever experience
whydisputeonoz You won't experience it if you are dead.
ImmaterialDigression Epicurus would remind you that until you are dead you are not...
Manginaism
Not true. Khrist is the way. Nazarene
I wonder if AA Battery has died yet?
Nietzsche's entire works are like Appollonian and Dynosian.
For a vague and skimmed reader could only find the Dynosian (chaotic and irrational) side and a Deep, Careful reader could only find the Appollonian (Calm and Introspective) side.❤️
As another young twenty-something I think Nietzsche relates to us so well in this sort-of hyper-information age where as someone growing up into the world we are devoured by choice and opportunity, seemingly without any way of understanding it all, let alone where we are supposed to fit (or work towards fitting) within it all. I think Nietzsche speaks well to this confusion that young people have now and I think you did a great job at explaining one of reasons why! Thank you, have really been enjoying these videos! (btw - the last chapter in the "The Consolations of Philosophy", the one that relates to Nietzsche, is incredible!)
So useful in light of studying Thomas Mann's "Death in Venice"
I recently (about a year ago) did the inaugural course in ``Learning how to learn'' on Coursera. One of the fundamental principles from Neuroscience was that we have ``focused'' and ``diffuse'' modes of thinking when learning and problem solving. In the focused mode we are consciously rationalizing with our 4 slot fuzzy whiteboard akin to being `Apollonian'. In the diffuse mode, our subconscious is doing chaotic 'Dionysian' work, not so dissimilar to day dreaming. The main point relevant to this video being, that the Apollonian should precede the Dionysian in problem solving, thus not only acknowledging its required existence, but giving it a temporal ordering in order to maximize its worth. Apollo plants seeds, Dionyses delivers a diversity of possibilities.
Luigi Cirocco or how about:
Apollo plants seeds, Dionysus delivers a diversity of possibilities.
Apollo does the weeding out, Dionysus delivers a diversity of possibilities.
Apollo realises that weeds are useful, Dionysus rejoices in a diversity of possibilities.
Dionysus and Apollo do the dance!
I could watch her talk for days
Loved your Dyonosian act. More of it please.😉😄
What we really need is a case video on Slavoj Zizek. We all do.
TomHasVideo we do
TomHasVideo and so on and so on
TomHasVideo I don't get the Zizek cult following, but maybe the brilliant minds at The School of Life can elucidate some truth in the deluge of his mad ramblings.
TomHasVideo No we don't. Schopenhauer first.
relytive17 5 stars from the other fellow who saw Idiocracy...
i was also obsessed with that book in my early 20s, and i was lucky to have found around the same time Hermann Hesse's Narcissus and Goldmund which illustrates the apollonian and dionysian thing, both books captivating indeed!
The way you portrayed two contrasting ideas that's really amazing
Same basic show, but at least now it's about Nietzsche :)
I'm happy to learn of your love for him.
short but sweet and really helped me out :) i'm studying Nietzsche's impact on early 20th century art and this little video is just what I needed, thanks very much xx
I have always thought that this proposed dichotomy was strange. Not because there is anything wrong with the formulation, but with the inspiration and source. I always thought Nietzsche must have been talking about the followers of Apollo and Dionysus, because the gods themselves were not consistent enough in the myths to justify this treatment. Apollo could be very impulsive, for example. When he was challenged to a musical contest by Marsyas, and won, he skinned Marsyas alive as a punishment (for differing reasons depending on the myth). That trait does not seem to fall into line with the rational nature inherent in Fredrick's dichotomy. Likewise, Dionysus was not always impulsive or even prone to passion. Plenty of myths ave him doing very rational, ordered, and complex things.
Their later followers at various kinds of temples, better fit the mold. Though even they were not wholly consistent with the dichotomy. The Delphic Oracle for example was purported to go into a muse like ecstasy when receiving divine prophecy or orders or whatever it was.
Still, despite the sort of untenable inspiration for the ontology, I appreciate that the concept exists and frequently use Apollonian and Dionysian explicitly the way Nietzsche prescribed. It is a great dichotomy, and I think it transcends the myths which inspired it, and is a great tool for getting at a specific idea without having to apply verbosity to get there. Though as a description I think it is marvelous, as a modality to truth...not so much. That is just personal preference though, and it really does not mean anything, so with that caveat, I guess I've gone on long enough.
Great video and presentation.
+evilcam Your confusion come from the fact that this is the overly simplified version of the dichotomy taught to undergrads (not that that's wholly a bad thing- this was the first Nietzsche I ever read in a Lit class and it sparked a lasting obsession with Philosophy. The more people this stuff infects, the better). The problem with it is that Nietzsche spent his academic career arguing that the idea of the Greeks as serine, rational and ethereal was nonsense. They were in all things vitalistic and instinctual and their gods reflected that. Apollo was not a god of rationality (in the way we would conceive it) but rather of order. He is the patron of mathematics and sculpture primarily and embodies the idea that the world is imbued with certain continuous forms. The chaos of Dionysus on the other hand manifest the truth that these forms are human creations and that everything in nature is in a continuous flux- what the 'tragic philosophers' called 'Becoming'.
In this scheme Apollo is also the god of epic poetry (though poets straddle an odd line- especially the lyric poets, since they demonstrate that forms are nothing more than condensed and accepted metaphors for instinctual reactions to phenomena; feelings, the realm of the Dionysian). In the Epics, people turn into trees, gods talk to humans and winds and tides are infested with spirits. The sort of 'rationality' that denies this and says that the world is of a fixed, determinant and immutable order -which we can dissect and analyse- was the product of the Socratic dialectic, which Nietzsche states is as alien to Apollonianism as it is to Dionysianism: though they do have some cross over in so far as accepting the existence of inherent metaphysical forms, Apollo accepts that these forms are players in the dance of Becoming and passing away, that they flit in and out of a magical and wondrous world of Beauty and Sublimity. Socrates on the other hand set the ground for Plato and Christianity by claiming that forms only 'appear' to change (making the physical world inferior to an 'actual' one not clouded by appearance)and stating that everything in reality can be pinned down and definitively understood. In doing so he creates a sort of positivist world view which would, according to Nietzsche, inevitably give way to nihilism once it reached its end in the enlightenment and man came to realise what the Greeks had intuited all the long- that order is PURE appearance and beneath it lies the Cyclopean void of chaos.
As to Dionysis being rational in places, Nietzsche is pretty clear that the two gods are on a continuum. Dionysus' tragedy is that he is pure life force given form (and thus made Apollonian). Because of this he must act as a man (when everything inside him tells him to act as an infinite and unbounded power) and is subject, again and again, to destruction and dismemberment. But no matter how often he is poisoned by his family, eaten by titans, torn apart by jealous lovers or decapitated for corrupting civic order, he will always reform, because life knows nothing of death. Apollo on the other hand would not exist without the life force that is Dionysis- he is a statue, a pure ideality of form until invested with life. So the two fight against each other, one to keep the sprawling and teeming life force contained within form, the other to fight off the entropy that is pure ideality.
Hope that doesn't just cloud the issue further (though I suspect that may be all I have achieved here...)
Excellent addition, thanks for that.
Here I am, set apart in the cusp of this silent crescent moon valley, connected to human kind by only an electronic signal and the appreciation of beauty. Flashing back to five years in an isolation cell in my youth, sustained by the vision of a safe harbor and a whispered voice in the night ... the voice of this commentator, by the essence of her life force and the shifting of breath as she flies in her dreams.
omg, this woman is lovely
yeah who am I kidding tbh
Rush’s song “Hemispheres” is a beautiful look into this.
It's a little sad. If Alain de Botton were to upload a video with the exact same content as this video, the comment section of this video would mostly be about the ideas being presented. However in this case, because the content is presented by a woman, the comment section is polluted with comments about her appearance rather than the discussion of the ideas she is presenting.
Your beauty motivates me to study philisophy with the inertia of a troubadour romance.
Hello from Germany! I loved to see you talk about Nietzsche. He surely is one of the most controversial German philosophers. When we behold his life and his work, there is so much to think and to wonder about. Not just when it comes to Philosophy. I find myself thinking, that he must have had an even more interesting personality. I often wonder about his friendship to Lou Andreas-Samlomé. And of course about his mental derangement in his final years. Can we really know for sure, that his last writings were written in total darkness of his mind?
In addition to that I like the thought how networked Nietzsche was and still is. Look at all the people he had contact to, and look at the even bigger number of people he influenced. Sigmund Freud, Franz Kafka, Hermann Hesse, Thomas Mann, Richard Wagner, Rainer Maria Rilke, just to name a few.
Long story short: I really appreciate your work (that of the whole School of Life Team) and I'm glad to see a community like that growing. Keep on doing that, you thus will excite more and more people - which is an important thing to do nowadays.
Oh and by the way; I'd be pleased to see a video about Nietzsches greatest influence: Arthur Schopenhauer. A true mastermind of his generation.
Eventually I have a question: do you think that language (translations) somehow changes (it might be slightest change!) the philosophical system of a person? Like, have you ever considered the idea that you reading Nietzsche in English (or me reading David Hume in German) could distort our picture of their ideas?
My thought on this is, that, whenever one is able to, one should read in the mother tongue of the author. I hope it is clear what I aimed to express!
Thank you again!
It's nothing short of a crying shame that fate failed to provide me with a Nietzsche-lover like this.
Her* name is Emma
I think we need to see more of the Dionysian version on this channel.
alienzen Or vice versa.
She is so calm and composed and has explained incredibly. Thank u so much
There must be a balance. To remove one and favor the other is against human nature.
The Apollo and Dionysus philosophy by Nietzsche remains one of the best actionable school of thought that understands humanity better than any other philosophical principle, excluding the existentialists.
Well school of life, you find really gorgeous Lady-philosophers out there, I gotta give you that ;)
Dig this quote from Fried rich : " Do you seek warmth from me ? Come not too close I counsel or your hands may burn. For look : my ardor exceeds the limit and I can barely restrain the flames from leaping from my body! "
Would this be similar to Freud's concept of the id and the superego?
Daniel Cazcarro similar. Or rational and emotional. Wise and whimsical. Maybe also like yin and yang. Or like any other kind of 'good' vs 'bad' really. In my opinion none of this is about accepting the "two sides" of human psychology, but realising there are no two sides, and it is all perfectly fine. There is no good and bad behaviour, only thoughts about it.
Daniel Cazcarro And Plato's theory of mind as the dark horse and white horse. Although Plato wanted to keep the dark horse in place, so that's where Nietzsche's philosophy differs because he embraces both sides.
+Daniel Cazcarro I think Freud was very much influenced by him; in modern times I like to think of this idea within the framework of Neuropsychology. The lower, or "reptilian brain", and the neocortex. The beauty of being a highly evolved primate :)
i was getting these vibes too
yes and a bit like plato's black and white horses
I couldn’t be the only one in love with Nietzsche ❤
Hi Em! I wanted to thank you very much for tonight. Here is why: indeed I had to do a thousand things this evening: to do my Greek homework, to transcribe a few songs I have promised my students, to read, to write in my diary , to meditate...What did I do instead? I had one beer after another and one cigarette after another on the street with my neighbour downstairs. When you have a Dionysian neighbour like her it is too tempting. You can't always say no... Besides, because I have watched your lesson last night, I thought I should not feel guilty this time and Nietzsche would definitely approve of my noble behaviour:-) Well, at least I said no to the marijuana offer, since the only time I tried it I ate everything on my friend's kitchen table including half a glass of Nutella. Very bad manners indeed...:-) Sorry for my drunk comment. I am of to bed now. Hoping to wake up as an Apollonian in the morning...Have a nice Sunday!
Girl you're just amazing. I mean I liked your videos before (well, I hardly know a girl being interested in philosophy. I always feel a little bit lonely.), but the statement of falling in love with Nietzsche just break the last border to finally write a comment. I never read Nietzsche itself (I should as all his literature is German and I am too) but lots of articles and books about him.
I am so amazed by his brilliant, strong, intelligent character full with all those human emotions which so many philosophers deny or not included in their texts. "You need chaos in your soul to give birth to a dancing star" is the quote I which is kind of the motto of my inner world and when I think the whole world sucks and now one understands me I am always cheered up by "and those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music."
Yes, I love writing (too much.)
Anyway, keep your inspiring passion for philosophy, it's great that to watch your blogs. All the best with your new job and I hope your mum will be fine soon!
Good to see this video before reading the book. And btw, you have a really really nice voice
Beautiful but you fail to realize that mediation between the two sides yields true happiness and a puts ones self on a road to happiness
This is an excellent simplification of one of the key themes in Birth of Tragedy, as well as throughout Nietzsche's later philosophical work. Nicely done. It's refreshing to hear someone talk about Nietzsche, who's actually read something by him!
I only wish perhaps that something could have been said about the upshot of this theme. Nietzsche was by no means interested in investigating his topics simply for the sake of knowing more about the world; rather his guiding interest was always centered on how best to cultivate an affirmative attitude towards (one's own) life. And cultivating such an attitude is precisely the reason why Nietzsche thought we needed to synthesize the Apollonian and Dionysian aspects of the human condition.
That's because, as he very thoughtfully articulates in BT, life is fundamentally rooted in suffering (given the nature of all willing) and only by uniting the Apollonian and Dionysian aspects of ourselves can we 'beautify' and come to embrace this suffering core, thereby redeeming what would otherwise appear to us to be a fundamentally worthless existence.
This is why the Greeks who concerned Nietzsche were allegedly able to find such satisfaction in works as stunningly dismal as their tragedies. Nietzsche later proposed that by applying this creative model to our own complex and divided personalities, we might achieve a similar kind of satisfaction with our own lives. For more on this, check out The Gay Science.
I love Nietzsche and the fact that he was an avid proponent of eugenics...
Well, you and the channel have helped me take a step closer into my philosophy journey. I needed to start somewhere and I started here.
I appriciate the effort. That was a lovely explaination of a complex thought. I found it amazing because of the slight music played in the background. Can you tell me the name of the music?
we ought not to follow Nietzsche's flaws, for we do have them as well. if you have this hatred for him philosophy probably isn't for you. I personally see Socrates and Nietzsche as among my mentors for indeed they have taught me a lot. it's in our best interest to improve their teachings. not mock it. on an unrelated note, she is astonishingly attractive
“Even the wisest among you is only a disharmony and hybrid of plant and phantom. But do I bid you become phantoms or plants?” - Thus Spoke Zarathustra
Great video! I've read tried Birth of Tragedy but failed to really understand the message. Might have to go back to it now, thanks for helping me understand the complex Nietzsche!
I am also a bit in love with Nietzsche at the moment and this is the prefect video to empathize with
The artist name is owain phyfe
School of life - you’ve cracked the code.
This was a fantastic portrayal of sides of humanity; reminding us all that it’s good to have balance
& Thank you for beautifully breaking down how human-beings should live life. Such a great message.
What's the background song of this video?
Incredible video. I am currently reading BT and have almost finished it. I struggle with understanding a lot of the vocabulary, terms and references to ancient greek art. But it's a fun learning process, and I find the concept of the apollonian and the dionysiac absolutely fascinating. It gives me a whole new lens through which I can understand and perceive the world and myself.
Excellent Em! Keep up the good work!
Apollo was astonished, Dionysus thought me mad, but they heard my story further and they wondered and were sad.
I too am a big fan of Nietzsche. What helped me understand a lot about life were his ideas about the overman.
The influence of Nietzsche is manifest and inescapably contemporary. Extracting patterns of influence from my own personal reading list puts Nietzsche at the top of my social subconscious.
SO GLAD I FOUND THIS
Camille Paglia writes about this opposition in her books. There's all the Greek philosophy to attest to the Apollonian stream in Greek culture. And then there's what E.R. Dodds writes about in his opus, "The Greeks and the Irrational" pointing to their being more Dionysian. Yet, I don't think that the ancient Greeks themselves necessarily saw these "forces" as being polar opposites of each other. That's more Nietzsche's idea. And it's not all that clear-cut. The Oracle at Delphi (implicitly irrational) was dedicated to Apollo. And Apollo, more than Dionysus, was the patron of the arts. Dionysus was the patron of Greek theatre, itself as rational as any other artform. More likely, Dionysus was a foreign God that the Greeks didn't quite know where to place in their pantheon.
Lovely, video! Reminds me of Hermann Hesse's Steppenwolf. In Steppenwolf, Hesse eventually encourages one to do away with the dichotomies, but that is only eventually, he starts with the distinction between apollonian and dionysian characteristics of the protagonist. I've been wondering what work of Nietzsche to pick up first, this seems perfect :)
Like so many German authors of the period, Hesse was absolutely inspired by Nietzsche’s ideas (he talks about this in his letters to Thomas Mann, for example, who would later cast Nietzsche in his Doctor Faustus), as you say with Steppenwolf, and later with Narcissus and Goldmund, and the Glass Bead Game, Hesse was always fascinated with the dichotomy of order and chaos.
My two favourite philosophers are Epicurus and Nietzsche . I’m really a Dionysian at heart any God of wine gets my vote. I love your little talks. You’re change of clothes was a nice touch.
What's the music in the background? It's really nice.
background music?
Great, as always.
I personally will always remember Nietzsche for "Also Sprach Zarathustra", an epic song by Strauss inspired by Nietzche's book, "Ainsi parlait Zarathustra", for I love music and this piece of Strauss is amazing.
I am trying to stay rational, it is actually harder than one might think. Every time I'm trying to read or write extremely rational stuffs, there is this Folie inside of me growing up, to keep some sort of irrational balance. Why should it be so? My rational part refuses to believe irrationality is necessary, then again, thinking about it makes me want to throw it away and forget about it.
I write, and i sometimes go through really difficult periods of doubts and mind-torture; I told it to a friend of mine who told me something really Nietzsche-like, to my feeling of its philosophy (i might be wrong) : "of course you are, you wouldn't be happy with what you are if it didn't torture you from time to time" (I'm not entirely sure to have translated it well since it was in french, but anyway).
Thank you again, Em, for making such inspiring vlogs. It is really interesting. I liked The School of Life before, and you really add up something intimate and deep to it.
This yearning approach is so in accord to the subject. Keep up the good work !
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Accepting it is one thing. Letting the untamed parts run things that are important is sexy or attractive on paper, but how many actually pull it off successfully?
C.G. Jung mentioned humanity today is still miles away from seeing philosophy with Nietzsche as 'ancilla psychologicae', as a first kind of psychology... yo know, apollonian and dionysian
Just watched this video --the first of your channel. I've fallen a bit in love too!! Well explained, brief, and you're mesmerizing to watch and listen to. Bravo!!
Hahah i love that scene that she changed her aura for the other side of self! Great
So, basically the crux of most or perhaps all teachings of philosophy is that one must accept to reach balance in all things and avoid extremes.
Nietzsche was a natural gifted intellect. He had an unfortunate life to give him new perspectives on various philosophical topics. His predictions were accurate and his training to become an ubermensch is fascinating. Nietzsche'a claims all seem to be sound, nietszche is the embodiment of a true thinking human being, who has will power to overcome anything. Legend!
Wonderful video! I think I love both sides of you!
I just started birth of tragedy. I don’t know what about it. It seems kinda everywhere but it’s captivated me. I love it and on section 16 i think I’ll have to check lol
you are so smart and awesome. I admire you for making this video. it really helped me. its like EXACTLY what I needed to learn right now.
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Marvelous presentation, marvelous woman.
I think it's all about balance. If you go to an extreme of apollonian or dionysian, you would naturally go insane. For instance: Rome at the end of its lifetime was extremely hedonistic, debauched, and dionysian, for this reason it started to forget it's values, which of course caused an extremely large amount of unhappiness among those in luxury. This caused extreme divisions in Roman society where there were none before, alot of it due to the egotistical assumption that they deserved more experiences of pleasure and 'happiness'. But, the Greeks fell because their ego consumed them in the way that they thought themselves always to be correct. They thought they were always the most rational, which of course caused more divisions. The Greeks forgot they needed some form of connection to nature to really know who they were, while the Romans forgot they needed a rational understanding of what they were. Nietzsche came to the conclusion that the only way to truly have long term peace or happiness while not becoming ignorant is to conquer yourself. To take yourself, and remake it under the idea that you as a no one have the opportunity to become anyone.
I see lots of people making comments about how the Apolline (spelling?) and Dionysian side of us must be balanced. But why? Why must they even? Whose not to say that the Dionysian side must be overcome, or vice versa? I understand that the struggle of the human condition involves deciding between logical, rational decisions and impulsive decisions, but still, it seems that people insist there should be a balance "just because."
Thoughts?
As someone who studies almost strictly Greek philosophy, I can't help but disagree. I see no negative aspect of focusing more on the wise and calm demeanor of our Apollonian selves, over focusing on the more degenerate side of us. It's because of our Dionysian side that we undergo so many problems throughout our lives.
Topic made my search, you're beauty made me smile and voice/accent made me melt.
Loved the commentary. Except, could we do without the background music next time? As soothing as it is, it is still a little distracting.
Em, you make wonderful and interesting videos. I also love the touch of humor you add. Keep up the good work! :)