I first heard of mr. Graeber after he passed away. I had been deep into the same mindset as him, but I will always need a hundred words to say what he could convey using just ten. We’re still here, and as Graeber’s words show - we have work to do. 🔥
@@PhuzzySlippers it’s much much better than the history of debt. Much much more throughly researched. Graeber is at the forefront of trying to resurrect an academic field. I don’t know why he’s quoting John Adams, I’m sure the people around him absolutely loved hearing that. This man in the back is making the same face as how I feel.
@@PhuzzySlippers I don’t think that it’s possible to present a non misleading account of the history of debt over the course of 5,000 years. I think that when reading it the reader becomes sort of convinced of an unreality, that debt is also a centerpiece of the State’s imposed power, carrying over from mercantilism and so on. Really, it isn’t Debt but the Contract, specifically the Aleatory Contract which Graeber completely fails to grapple with. Which I can only classify as ignorance, given the fact that even scholars such as Althusser explored this okay, but do you think that the Iroquois confederacy represented a totality of governance systems in the Americas? Did Adams write in favor of the Confederacy for reasons relating to the values of the Iroquois or the prerogatives of the colonists? Were there not numerous federated systems predating this one which also had a massive influence on the US federated system? The federal structure of the US State and more specifically the power structures (municipal, energy, metropolitan) which sustain its prerogatives and its reality of federation today has little to do with the US Constitution sui generis. Which is what Adams was mainly applying this to- as obviously the structures and modes of power which we exist under today are radically different from the time of John Adams! That’s why I think it’s a stupid thing to say! And it is incredibly America-centric, clinging on to the idea that there even is a foundational logic which the US Empire is predicated on, somehow hidden within its spiraling tentacles. Essentially, I really really strongly disagree with Graeber’s primordialist philosophy. I don’t think that you can at all explain or even begin to understand the reality of neoliberal capitalism by looking at things in such a way. It may work in America in his narrow field of view, but as studies (for example ‘Sectarianization’) on other regions have shown, the idea of a continuous, linear progression of ideals and prerogatives of government fails to explain the world. And this is what Graeber essentially cops out to when writing his last book. The inevitable recurrence and non-linear return of needs for and thus impetus for the existence of cities is a perfect example of this. I also dislike Graeber for the ridiculous shit he said in a discussion with Bob Black. And that colors my spite
@@Soemrjruur so you dont agree that debt is also a centerpiece of the State’s imposed power? I think that seems quite obvious, but Im quite early in the book still. Btw, what discussion with Bob Black are you referring to?
@@caha9583 yeah, I don’t. Debt is an accoutrement of global capitalism, sure. And it is a tool used by neoliberal societies to their advantage. Debt defines the ways in which other empires which don’t operate off debt are forced to act. Such as the Ottoman Empire, which was not collecting any debt or engaging debt policy. It owed billions in deficits. So does the US. But not every country gets to do monetary policy like the US. which has a vast amount of control over large capital networks, along with certain European and Asian financial institutions- this is all dependent on the global financial system. To argue that the reality we are in where neoliberalism takes the ‘if there’s a problem make it bigger’ attitude to debt isn’t based on the globalized financial system is absurd and dangerous, the globalized financial system and the world wars etc are the reason we are in the Debt/Development reflexivity we exist in. I think that it’s important to recognize the duality of Debt with Development. And Graeber pushes the opposite narrative, which is the same ancient tired and stupid social contract narrative that’s been around since the beginning of time: ‘debts didn’t exist in any form up until a certain point at human history when we decided to get together and sign the social contract where we all owed each other for the shit we made. yes, this process may have gone on at many different scales but it was a linear, progressive effect, like Time, and History’ so let’s move on from Debt! Let’s rip up all those contracts, yeah? Except, do we still believe that the Individual owes a debt to Society, that there are a million different ways that debt arises - ‘I owe you’, ‘you are welcome here’, and even the phrase ‘thank you’.. these all create an aesthetic infrastructure of debt. And an affective one. If we just got rid of the current instruments of debt, the debt merchants would devise new instruments. Don’t you get that? Just like how people don’t have to move in two dimensions, and that’s why the state has satellites and planes. People don’t have to owe each other in money either and it would get Clockwork Orange really fast if it were simply illegal to make debt *obvious*
Madison clearly was against full democracy! He felt putting the power in the hands of the majority would threaten the minority. "Democracy is the perfect outcome of equality." ~Aristotle
The whole idea of democracy is absurd, especially in the monetary-/market idiology, the anti-economy, in a real economy, a system that is about avoiding the conflict between human needs and ecology, people would decide permanently with their decision about what they want, that's all, how many resources are used, how much damage they do to their environment and so on, but in a system which is only about self-interest and competition, where people were bred as consumers for generations, as dumb and disturbed as possible so they consume more to keep this absurd system running, democracy is very dangerous, not just uneducated but even dumbed and idiologically conditioned people within a competitive system will never come up with anything else than the own will over all knowing life, scarcity causes egoism and greed, the monetary-/market idiology is creating scarcity artificially, that's why people decide against own interests to keep the status quo, they don't care because they have to fight for their own existence, they even killed billions of people over decades because of that, third reich is just one example, people become agents of the system, as Peter Joseph describes it absolutely correctly.
Graeber is correct that there were democratic movements and societal structures defined by people in the Americas. But they were overthrown. The American federal system was not modeled off the native ‘federal system’. Simply, many societies had federated models of control, from the ancient Egyptian societies to nomadic groups across the world, so on and so forth. I don’t doubt that the US and the Americas are an example of a place where this existed. To call yourself a US citizen rather than an American is to accept the border and boundaries within which you are situated. I live in the Americas, and I happen to be under the dominion of the United States.
@@PhuzzySlippers “ Indigenous laws and political systems, as the work of Taiaiake Alfred has shown, are not synonymous with Western conceptions of the state, sovereignty and law. They are much more grounded in cultural and community-based practices of direct democracy and collective decision-making. This would, at least initially, be a voluntary deferral of autonomy to Indigenous nations, at least until further relations might be worked out. It is conceivable that settlers might be granted their own spaces of autonomy, where alternative societies along specific anarchist visions could be constructed. This, however, needs to be a later step after situating ourselves as visitors to In- digenous lands. A just set of relations in the future needs to take Indigenous autonomy and sovereignty as paramount given the deeply entrenched nature of settler colonialism”
All the source material is linked in the description my friend. if you told me which clip your refering to I could answer. But if you mean the whole video, then whenever the release date listed in the description is when it's from
Yep, letting uneducated people decide is even worse than having only Hitlers in every government. If everyone was a scientist, it would make sense, but not in the way it is, a competitive system where humans live in permanent war for survival in a world of abundance that is created by themselves but not available to them because of the artificial scarcity of the monetary-/market idiology, in a real economy, a system that is about avoiding the conflict between human needs and ecology, people would decide together all the time by thinking about what they really need and so how much damage they do to the environment, but in a system, where single people decide over life and death of everything, do with the planet and its resources whatever they want, it is just absurd to even think about democracy.
best part is the uplifting music. Thanks for sharing Phuzzy
So stupid people can brainstorm? Socrates pointed this out. Democrats ae criminals and Pelosi will be the first to use the military against you.
So true
I first heard of mr. Graeber after he passed away. I had been deep into the same mindset as him, but I will always need a hundred words to say what he could convey using just ten. We’re still here, and as Graeber’s words show - we have work to do. 🔥
A great human being with a great intellect. RIP.
Gutted that he is gone. Latest book 'The dawn Of Everything' is fascinating...... Sorry but bad idea to put the music track to this
Disagreed about the last thing
Thank you for this. I really appreciate the time and effort people like yourself put into making these videos.
His new Co-authored book - The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity
Pub: Farrar, Straus and Giroux (2021)
It’s also available on libgen
@@PhuzzySlippers it’s much much better than the history of debt. Much much more throughly researched. Graeber is at the forefront of trying to resurrect an academic field. I don’t know why he’s quoting John Adams, I’m sure the people around him absolutely loved hearing that. This man in the back is making the same face as how I feel.
@@PhuzzySlippers I don’t think that it’s possible to present a non misleading account of the history of debt over the course of 5,000 years. I think that when reading it the reader becomes sort of convinced of an unreality, that debt is also a centerpiece of the State’s imposed power, carrying over from mercantilism and so on.
Really, it isn’t Debt but the Contract, specifically the Aleatory Contract which Graeber completely fails to grapple with.
Which I can only classify as ignorance, given the fact that even scholars such as Althusser explored this
okay, but do you think that the Iroquois confederacy represented a totality of governance systems in the Americas?
Did Adams write in favor of the Confederacy for reasons relating to the values of the Iroquois or the prerogatives of the colonists?
Were there not numerous federated systems predating this one which also had a massive influence on the US federated system?
The federal structure of the US State and more specifically the power structures (municipal, energy, metropolitan) which sustain its prerogatives and its reality of federation today has little to do with the US Constitution sui generis. Which is what Adams was mainly applying this to- as obviously the structures and modes of power which we exist under today are radically different from the time of John Adams!
That’s why I think it’s a stupid thing to say! And it is incredibly America-centric, clinging on to the idea that there even is a foundational logic which the US Empire is predicated on, somehow hidden within its spiraling tentacles.
Essentially, I really really strongly disagree with Graeber’s primordialist philosophy. I don’t think that you can at all explain or even begin to understand the reality of neoliberal capitalism by looking at things in such a way.
It may work in America in his narrow field of view, but as studies (for example ‘Sectarianization’) on other regions have shown, the idea of a continuous, linear progression of ideals and prerogatives of government fails to explain the world.
And this is what Graeber essentially cops out to when writing his last book. The inevitable recurrence and non-linear return of needs for and thus impetus for the existence of cities is a perfect example of this.
I also dislike Graeber for the ridiculous shit he said in a discussion with Bob Black. And that colors my spite
@@Soemrjruur so you dont agree that debt is also a centerpiece of the State’s imposed power? I think that seems quite obvious, but Im quite early in the book still. Btw, what discussion with Bob Black are you referring to?
@@caha9583 yeah, I don’t. Debt is an accoutrement of global capitalism, sure. And it is a tool used by neoliberal societies to their advantage. Debt defines the ways in which other empires which don’t operate off debt are forced to act. Such as the Ottoman Empire, which was not collecting any debt or engaging debt policy. It owed billions in deficits. So does the US. But not every country gets to do monetary policy like the US. which has a vast amount of control over large capital networks, along with certain European and Asian financial institutions- this is all dependent on the global financial system.
To argue that the reality we are in where neoliberalism takes the ‘if there’s a problem make it bigger’ attitude to debt isn’t based on the globalized financial system is absurd and dangerous, the globalized financial system and the world wars etc are the reason we are in the Debt/Development reflexivity we exist in.
I think that it’s important to recognize the duality of Debt with Development. And Graeber pushes the opposite narrative, which is the same ancient tired and stupid social contract narrative that’s been around since the beginning of time:
‘debts didn’t exist in any form up until a certain point at human history when we decided to get together and sign the social contract where we all owed each other for the shit we made. yes, this process may have gone on at many different scales but it was a linear, progressive effect, like Time, and History’
so let’s move on from Debt! Let’s rip up all those contracts, yeah?
Except, do we still believe that the Individual owes a debt to Society, that there are a million different ways that debt arises - ‘I owe you’, ‘you are welcome here’, and even the phrase ‘thank you’.. these all create an aesthetic infrastructure of debt. And an affective one. If we just got rid of the current instruments of debt, the debt merchants would devise new instruments. Don’t you get that? Just like how people don’t have to move in two dimensions, and that’s why the state has satellites and planes. People don’t have to owe each other in money either and it would get Clockwork Orange really fast if it were simply illegal to make debt *obvious*
RIP, a huge contributor to society!
Wow! What an #epic memorial. And that beat behind the black shirt stretch...DOPE! The tempo is PERFECT! Well done, @Phuzzy...well done!
Thanks so much dude!! More content is on the way. is there any speech you would like to see turned into music?
Madison clearly was against full democracy! He felt putting the power in the hands of the majority would threaten the minority.
"Democracy is the perfect outcome of equality."
~Aristotle
I learned so much thank you for sharing this!
"The story of what actually happened historically has really not been told."
Foreshadowing. Now it has ;)
@@PhuzzySlippers thanks for posting these clips.
miss you David Graeber @N@
It sucks he is gone but, we need to learn and be active. Capitalism is the crisis!
yup... spot on
Congratulations on 8k views 😊
I have read his book "Bullshit Jobs" and it confirmed many of my suspicions about the nature of (corporate / industry) work. I recommend it!
Love all his stuff, currently reading debt: the first 5,000 years. Its taking forever lol
Beautiful video, thank you
Thanks for making this
Thanks. Love dg
Nice usable artisto-political mix. Fook I only discovered Graeber since he died. So. Missed a genius. Hello World. Thanks
No Thank you!
Absolutely amazing!
Thank you! I think I'm gonna do Emma Goldman next 🤙
Which agcy provides that hellucinational background Parazit...?
Not sure what you mean bud
A world government with true democracy would only work if basic needs were give to all citizens thanks to legal just governance
The whole idea of democracy is absurd, especially in the monetary-/market idiology, the anti-economy, in a real economy, a system that is about avoiding the conflict between human needs and ecology, people would decide permanently with their decision about what they want, that's all, how many resources are used, how much damage they do to their environment and so on, but in a system which is only about self-interest and competition, where people were bred as consumers for generations, as dumb and disturbed as possible so they consume more to keep this absurd system running, democracy is very dangerous, not just uneducated but even dumbed and idiologically conditioned people within a competitive system will never come up with anything else than the own will over all knowing life, scarcity causes egoism and greed, the monetary-/market idiology is creating scarcity artificially, that's why people decide against own interests to keep the status quo, they don't care because they have to fight for their own existence, they even killed billions of people over decades because of that, third reich is just one example, people become agents of the system, as Peter Joseph describes it absolutely correctly.
Graeber is correct that there were democratic movements and societal structures defined by people in the Americas. But they were overthrown. The American federal system was not modeled off the native ‘federal system’. Simply, many societies had federated models of control, from the ancient Egyptian societies to nomadic groups across the world, so on and so forth. I don’t doubt that the US and the Americas are an example of a place where this existed.
To call yourself a US citizen rather than an American is to accept the border and boundaries within which you are situated. I live in the Americas, and I happen to be under the dominion of the United States.
@@PhuzzySlippers “ Indigenous laws and political systems, as the work of Taiaiake Alfred has shown, are not synonymous with Western conceptions of the state, sovereignty and law.
They are much more grounded in cultural and community-based practices of direct democracy and collective decision-making.
This would, at least initially, be a voluntary deferral of autonomy to Indigenous nations, at least until further relations might be worked out.
It is conceivable that settlers might be granted their own spaces of autonomy, where alternative societies along specific anarchist visions could be constructed. This, however, needs to be a later step after situating ourselves as visitors to In- digenous lands.
A just set of relations in the future needs to take Indigenous autonomy and sovereignty as paramount given the deeply entrenched nature of settler colonialism”
@@PhuzzySlippers it’s a good discussion thanks for the quote hope you see where I’m coming from
@@PhuzzySlippers the quote I gave is from the text ‘imagining autonomy on stolen land’ which is available for free on the anarchist library
@@PhuzzySlippers you could also check out ‘Red Skin White Masks, by Coulthard
when is this from?
All the source material is linked in the description my friend. if you told me which clip your refering to I could answer. But if you mean the whole video, then whenever the release date listed in the description is when it's from
Something very 1960’s about this video. Like a reincarnation of Timothy Leary.
Oh cool, i was going for an illicit history from the michael brooks show kinda thing. Maybe theres some influence there
Oxymoron Democracy & Capitalism
a lannister always pays his debts
That ones over my head bud lol
@@PhuzzySlippers i thought it was a popular example of how debt is framed in moral terms.
thanks for posting this video :)
Yeah. I miss Graeber's voice. Same as I miss Assange's voice.
Same my friend that’s basically why i made this
They meant, no mob rule, a democracy is like having 2 wolves and 1 lamb voting on what's for dinner.
I can't tell if this comment is pro or anti-democracy
Yep, letting uneducated people decide is even worse than having only Hitlers in every government. If everyone was a scientist, it would make sense, but not in the way it is, a competitive system where humans live in permanent war for survival in a world of abundance that is created by themselves but not available to them because of the artificial scarcity of the monetary-/market idiology, in a real economy, a system that is about avoiding the conflict between human needs and ecology, people would decide together all the time by thinking about what they really need and so how much damage they do to the environment, but in a system, where single people decide over life and death of everything, do with the planet and its resources whatever they want, it is just absurd to even think about democracy.
Obnoxious song ruining the entire video. Unfortunately I am forced to not give this video a like that it would have otherwise deserved.
@@Davidpromaster yknow what, im glad its ruined for someone to dumb to see that all the clips without music are linked in the description. 🖕
Great video. Turn the music down. Not necessary.
It's the point of the video
@@PhuzzySlippers make an alternative one. Great job anyway 👏
@@esoteric67 thanks buddy I did though, each clip is up on my channel, uploading the last one soon
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This video is proof that women are attracted to nerdy guys..
Interesting takeaway but ok
@@PhuzzySlippers Sorry I offended you. I will stay out of the States.
Lol no ones offended dude im just fuckin with you
I wonder if the people around David knew what he has contributed already, or just thought of him as a talkative fellow lol