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Alcohol Stove 2.0 Easier, Stronger, and More Robust! Build for under $2! Full instructional video.
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2022
- / followthecompassnorth This is definitely the model I'll be using from now on. Though I may make the center hole small enough to be covered with a quarter instead of having to keep the larger cap. This alcohol stove is perfect for extreme light weight backpacking or for use when the power goes out during a storm. If this video helps just one person have a hot meal then I call it a wild success!
First, sand the paint off the inner can. If necessary, also sand the inside of the outer can. It has a thin plastic layer in it. Then everything fits a little easier. Thanks for the video.
Also works by just letting it burn for a few mins before using for the first time
I seriously doubt i will ever make one of these, but I felt the strange NEED to KNOW how "just in case" 😉 nicely done dude!
Thanks! 😃
Next time you go camping make one with your family for the experience be a good bonding time
Here's a suggestion. Use two soup cans to make your penny stove. A whole long stronger than a soda can. That way if it gets stepped on if it gets knocked down it will be squished. With a soup can it won't be crushed. :)
I'll try this if I can find two soup cans that fit nicely together. I've also been playing with a single piece design that caps itself with the pot you put on top.
@@FollowTheCompassNorth I built a copy of an alcohol stove I’d seen done in a YT video. It’s only a single soup can, like your mushroom soup can. You put 12 evenly spaced 1/4” holes slightly below the top of the can and 12 more at about the third rib up from the flatter portion of the bottom of the can. You light the alcohol in your preferred method and let it heat up for a while, then you place your pot directly on top of the can/stove. The flame will quickly start coming out of the top holes. I made mine with an additional smaller hole about an eighth inch below the top row of holes and it makes pouring unused fuel back into a storage bottle easier than using the top holes. That method makes more of a mess for me. I’ve also found that, using a can lid from a larger can and cutting it with a side edge, safety opener, the smaller can nests into a groove in the lid and there’s another well between the outermost grooves that I pour some alcohol into and I light that fuel to start the inside fuel heating towards a boil. It also will light the inside fuel too. The bigger can lid also adds some stability to the stove as well. This single, open top burner allows me to carry my fuel in a plastic bottle that is as close to the inside volume of the stove but doesn’t rise above it and it all nests into a large cup/pot and I use a slightly larger one as a lid. It makes a great, self contained setup and gives two people a cup, or you have your hot drink in one while cooking in the other. I was blown away by how well that method works. I’ll never mess with the tiny aluminum stoves again. You must use a pot stand with them and they are more effected by winds. Too easily damaged as well. Build one, you’ll see. 👍✌️
well , if you are a poor person - what do they use you know but you are right by saying that
@@jasonjohnson6344 Can you share the video you followed? I'm intrigued but it's difficult to visualize
@@arronnie1 I don’t understand how to send a direct link to the video but I can send you the best I know how. The video is on simon 4043 channel. Name of the video is A New Design of Alcohol Backpacker Stove boils water faster than a Trangia. I hope this makes it easy for you to see. It’s fairly short but thorough. Easily understood and crazy efficient. I experimented with how to get the alcohol in the stove to a boil quickly. The stove is a typical soup can and I use a lid cut from a larger can as a shallow well to pour some alcohol into so I can light it to heat the stove that I set on top of the lid. I hope I’m explaining that well enough to visualize. It’s not imperative but I wanted to know if I could count on that for much colder weather conditions. I’m sure you will get everything you need from the video. I just wish I understood how to send hyperlinks to make it easier to share information with others. The guy in the video uses a Pyrex frypan and because it’s clear, you can see how well it is working at full bloom. It won’t look like it’s working at all until you put a pot on top of the stove. The top holes may light on their own or you may have to use a lighter on em. I’ve had problems with getting all the holes kept lit. Once I used a bigger cans lid as a baseplate, set the stove in the center, I pour just a small amount of alcohol into the reenforcing rings in the lid and light the alcohol. As it burns, it begins to boil the alcohol in the stove and everything works MUCH easier. The top holes all light almost as quickly as you put a pot on top and they stay lit easier too. Good luck with yours, I find it an awesome design. I don’t care to time my dang boils, I just know it works fantastic and it’s cool to be able to get such good performance from a stove you made yourself with nothing more than a can opener, a can, a drill and a magic marker.
Been making these penny stoves for years now, but this is by far the simplest and strongest build I have come across. Thank you for this. Next step, for me, is to teach a group of Scouts how to build and use one of these for Cast Iron Cooking.
Great to hear! In hindsight I really should have just left the penny hole in the middle instead of cutting out the entire bottom. If I made this again I would have used a penny in the middle to cover the smaller hole I would have made. Otherwise I'm really happy with it.
@@FollowTheCompassNorth thanks, nice upgrade, I will try 😁
I was under the impression that the BSA had outlawed homemade alcohol stoves, due to the dangers of wildfires.
@@xenaguy01no danger with a wick.
@@samhain9394
Campers who think a wick can keep alcohol from spilling are one reason alcohol stoves are banned in many western parks and trails.
Fantastic! I started going ultralight as a backpacker back in 2008 and made probably 20 of these stoves. I had all the same issues you mentioned. My wife and I are now preparing for an 8 day trip into the Bob Marshall and I'm debating going back to these instead of my pocket rocket. Thanks for the soup can tip!
Chris I grew up in Columbia Falls
Channels like these help me prepare for the apocalypse
That's why I started this channel two years ago. WE HAVE GOT TO START SPREADING THE KNOWLEDGE!
Try putting carbon felt around your stove. It will prime yourself right up, especially in the chilly weather.
I'll try that!
Awesome video. I love how you didn't hide your "trial and error" phase of the build.
It might have as well been a bit easier to just measure before cutting. ;-)
Glad I found you man. I like the content. Different from any others and insanely satisfying .
Thanks Dusty! Just trying to keep it real. Lots to teach!
Make about three shims from the extra can material and insert them inbetween the two halves when you push them together then pull them out once you get them started and slowly push the two halves together. Also pushing the bottom half up around a full can will stretch it slightly and make it much easier to push the two halves together while maintaining a good seal. Instead of making a cover for the center hole you can simply use the bottom without the center cut out and fill through one of the holes with a syringe.
lots of people do not know its a shame in the why they not know this its easy if needing to for survival - which all people should know this straight out of the gate
thank you for this nice video sir good well done indeed
Thank you David.
@@FollowTheCompassNorth YOU ARE VERY VERY WELCOME SIR - GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE IM IN THE SOUTH IN PA STATE U.S.A.
Thanks for sharing. Main improvement on the video for me would have been to take out the five minutes of trying various brands of cans that didn't work.
👍 Neat .. thanks for that. I must take a look at using a more robust better-fitting can as the base.
Currently, my favourite is a 200ml Energy Drink Can.
* Cut off the Top and Bottom to the required height.
* Leave the Top Centre in situ .. just remove the leftover pull-off Tab.
* Drill extra holes to suit (you'll find out what works best for you) in the top centre bit .. for me, on the inside edge opposite the 'drinking hole'.
* Flute the top piece to facilitate the fitting together. Top goes into bottom.
* Fill the bottom section with Glass / Ceramic Wool or Carbon Cloth. This appreciably reduces the effect of fuel spillage in case of an 'Oops' and doesn't seem to effect the burning efficiency of the burner.
* Fit together .. that's it.
I cook all sorts of stuff on these burners .. including Full English Breakfasts.
Good share .. thanks. Take care ..
This is a GREAT design. I'm glad to have helped give input. You are probably better at these than me. I just do things on camera and pretend to know what I'm doing.
@@FollowTheCompassNorth 👍 .. pretending is good .. similar to 'mulling' .. I do it often and sometimes so realistically that I actually believe it 😁.
@@FollowTheCompassNorth I know "I" sure appreciate ya! 🤗
If You use a inner divider , You have to equally divide three or four notches for the fuel to go up to the jets. ( vapor actually )
Great vid, packed with info - I dug the use of the dreaded 'red bottle' as well as that rather innovative three-nail stove!
I admire your dedication to finding cans that fit. Good job! Never thought of using soup + beverage cans. I've made a lot of alcohol burners. Started with beer cans. But the material is too thin and would tear easily. Now I use squirt cheese cans. To get the pieces together I expand the bottom by rubbing it on a 1" dowel that is locked in a vice. Kind of hard to describe... My burners do have an inner sleeve. Partly because the cans are smaller diameter, the circle of jets (holes) are smaller than on beer can stoves. Helps keep the flame pattern a narrow inverted cone. I was going for max burn efficiency and my best is 4 cup boil (65F water) on 1 ounce of alcohol. I like squirt cheese cans because they are aluminum and about 4x thicker than beer cans. Some videos on my channel. TomLovesDIY.
Best regards, Tom
It's a good thing I eat alot of soup and have been keeping the cans. I like to use a Cambell's can inside a Progresso can to make gas-a-fire hobo stoves. Going to try this alcohol stove build.
BTW I found your content through RUclips Shorts. Keep it up.
cool video, me and my dad learned something new we could use for our next camping trip.
Have fun and be safe!
Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge and for being helpful for others. It's really useful. Cheers from Portugal
This is great information!!! Yeah if you look at most pop cans they say "ball" on the side, so they are a standard size.
Interesting. This is worth giving it a try. I agree that making this as a penny stove would simplify the build and eliminate the problem you had controlling the flame. Thanks..
When I was a kid my mother bought these little cans in bulk, they were basically exactly like this. Only real difference was the wick and the fact that it was industrially made with much more durability and already had fuel. This is MUCH cheaper though, so I think the tradeoffs are worth it
I love this idea...I'm going to do it is some type of modified sterno "stove" frame. Thank you for your efforts in this video.
That's pretty cool actually!
Just made one with a Ortega chili can and a pop can. I removed the baffle and didn't remove the bottom of the pop can. Stuffed it with fiberglass. 16 burner pinholes and one fill hole fitted with a small screw in the center top of the pop can.
Fill it up, put the screw in, fill the bottom one more time and light it. Watch it bloom.😊 Thanks for the tips❤
Idea!! If you have carbon felt, wrap a layer, or two depending on the thickness, around the inside of the soup can. Next take your baffle and put a TON of v cuts into the bottom and place into soup can. Finally, press the soda can down until the baffle seats into the lip of the soda can. Now you effectively have your own Trangia burner. You can then cut the bottom of another can right at the shoulder where the "label" ends, cut out the center of the bottom dome as a simmer ring
If you're a UL nut, and haven't gone no cook yet or are just interested in building your own setups, here's a few recommendations from my years long obsession into my cook kit;
The wider your cooking vessel, the least amount of heat, thus fuel, is wasted. Look for short, not tall.
You can build an alcohol stove out of nearly anything.
A favorite combo of mine is a simple aluminum container with a lid, the body is filled with carbon fiber, *i think it's called, the lid works perfectly for an esbit system. You need a frame for this and remember to always use a windscreen with any esbit/alcohol in the wild or else you're not getting a hot meal.
Don't ever use red heet or you're probably going to burn something down. The flames are too unpredictable. Always yellow heet, it's available practically everywhere I've been.. When building any stove, I found using a calculation available on zenstoves (youtube won't allow me to link) and building specifically to a certain pot/mug was the best for fuel consumption. Zenstoves has amazing free to build designs and information on their site and I use it often.
If you are looking for something that weighs nothing and has fuel consumption down to a science, go to flatcatgear and talk to Jon. You won't find anything better regardless of altitude, weather and the options available when it comes to cooking in the backcountry. Now that I've been through years of use in real life, I always prefer esbit.
FYI; NO ALCOHOL OR ESBIT STOVE CAN BE USED IN AN AREA WITH FIRE RESTRICTIONS. YOU MUST HAVE A STOVE WITH AN ON/OFF VALVE. Although, in my experience my alcohol and esbit systems are much safer and more reliable. I've had plenty of problems with canister setups. The less moving parts the better, generally.
Flat cat gear video of bobcat system;
ruclips.net/video/eAMGtVKEj_Y/видео.html
Hiram's page is very informational;
ruclips.net/user/MrHiramCook
Thank you!
If done correctly the same size works well if you take needle nose pliers and go around the edges of the can going inside and twist little flutes around the edge about 3/8” long and they work perfectly. I have built many of these. Look at the penny can stove videos.
Best I've seen and so simple. Good video!
Nice. You have a nice voice and the editing is spot on.
The soup can is a great idea! Thanks man!
I've made a few of these type burners and had very good results with them and ultimately ended up with a cat can stove because it's so simple lol. The one with fiberglass and mesh works well. Nice tattoos also 🤘
Thanks! And you're not wrong. There's always a can of emergency sterno in my bag as well.
I use two can halves the same circumference and just add lengthwise creases with needle nose pliers around the circumference of one half and they slide together nice that way
great tutorial. definitely making this with the scout troup i lead.
i was looking for an alternative for the soup can scince condensed soup is hard to find where i live. i found out those tiny vegetable tins (about 150-200 gram) have the same circumference. soda can fits nice and snug on top without creasing. cheapest one i found was only 50 cents. add a cheap 30 cents can of soda to that and the cost is even under 1 euro.
100%I’ll use this very useful thank you
I absolutely must know this information! Thanks!
Amazing, exactly what I needed!
Thank you brother very cool this might come in handy one day was eyeing that esee
Excellent presentation!
amazing work!
Man That's Great!! Thanks For The Tip!!
In boy scouts we used those old bigger foster cans
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Use the bottom of a full can to slowly stretch/flare out the can for the bottom by wriggling it around carefully stretching the opening. There are videos of others doing this. I think they call them penny stoves. Thanks for your posting
Great tip!
I really like the videos
High temp gasket maker to make it a solid unit and it’s perfect.
That's called a "Trangia" and they've been making them for 100+ years, lol this is the DIY knockoff.
Sabborro beer cans are a little strangely shaped but are stainless steel 👍🏻
This was actually very useful
Thank you.
This is so cool 👍👍
Very gratefull for this nice idea. I had my gas cut off and As we are going towards the winter,It would be' nice to be' able to cook a nice warm soup sometimes insted than cold salads!!!!!soo thanks a lot and greatings from italy
Hey Anna, Im also not using gas anymore. Is this a cheap way of cooking you think?
Kind regards, Erik
@@MrErikKlarenbeek comparing gas prices with bottled alcohol ones, I doubt
Very cool. Thank you.
Cut the bottom can a little shorter than normal so that you don't have to force the top into the bottom all the way to the ring. The ring area isn't going to give any. So once it gets there it splits
ILL TRY IT
redbull can and the green can, you can make a mini fancy feast stove, enough gap to slide some carbon felt in there.
Three metal tent stakes works pretty good for an improvised pot stand. I use Denatured Alcohol in mine and sometimes even a 190 proof food grade alcohol from the liquor store.
Great stuff Chuck!
Using food grade makes some sense since denatured just means poisoned. Maybe more expensive but more uses.
Im gunna let my kids watch this and then build it so they will learn as well.
A great way to spend time with the family. Use ISOHEAT for fuel.
This is so cool.
Thanks!
Just one little tip...
Sprinkle some Thyme on the egg as you fry it. ;-)
Great vid
Thanks!
Frankly, I highly recommend buying a few folding mini gas stoves with built in tripods with flexible extension tubes, and as many cartridge converters so you can just use the widely available gas cartridges (the kind you see used for portable gas stoves in steamboat restaurants) on top of regular camping canisters (not as common). The flexible extension tubes allow you to connect the cartridges lying flat. Really gives much more control over the strength of the flame. Only benefit to an alcohol stove is that you can just top up the bottle of alcohol for the next trip as compared to carrying 1 full and 1 half-used gas cartridge. Again, there is a work around for that called a refill adapter which you can use to refill the cartridges using a larger gas tank. I personally think gas tanks and cartridges are safer when stored properly compared to liquid alcohol.
Allllll solid points but the purpose of this video was to show how to make an alcohol stove not determine the safest stove to use. That would be a different video.
You could also just buy an RV and a microwave and camp in your driveway 🙄
well alcohol stoves are mostly used in ultralight backpacking. most of my trips i carry a gas stove as well but when packing ultralight i don't need anything other than a flame to boil my water so i take my esbit or alcohol stove scince it does boil water (everything i need) and is much lighter.
Also: noise. Also: invisible flame. Also: weight. Also: simmer and slower cooking capabilities that nearly all gas stoves just can't perform. Also: DIY is fun and makes people care more about the craft and event and experience. Also: good luck refilling your 220g isobutane canister from a Blue Rhino propane tank with all those adapters and hoses when you're in some far-reached mountain/countryside town and you are on a time/resource limit. 🤡
You can simply press the one bottom piece into another (both bottoms facing downwards) and expand it this way.
That's right! A full can works best for this.
You can take a full can of the same brand as the outside half, and stretch the rim over the bottom of the full can. Just stretch a little bit at a time, then turn the can and stretch the next area. After about 4-5 times, the entire rim will be stretched, and the other half will fit inside it. Then press slowly together, being careful not to tear the outer half, or crimp the inner half.
Or just crimp it like A/C duct work. They even make a tool just for it.
make a hole in the outer, upper half, then press a full soda can into it. the full can will expand the lip of the upper, allowing it to slip on
Its good Information i like it
I’ll remember this forever
I have yet to build one, I'm a procrastinating old guy🤣. The insert at the bottom should have 2 notches in it, one opposite the other. I'm think not to take the center completely out but make like 5 hole in the center with your push pin fill it, light it and put a penny, nickel over the holes. But love the soup can... That's great!.
You're right about the penny. It's why they call it a penny stove.
@@FollowTheCompassNorth Out of curiosity, have you tried Bioethanol? 2 year's ago I "Was" going to build one🤣 and this old fart said Bioethanol? I never looked into it. I dig your videos. Trying to make a heater with my Trangia into a T Vent with a fan, works great, but 5 mins later? Wish it lasted longer, That's what she said 🤣🤟😎
Make sure it's a pre 1982 penny that's full copper. The newer zinc ones melt 😅
I use a full version of the can to help shape the top. I also make sure it is warm.
Use Pennie’s and a small center hole. Cover the hole made in the middle with a penny and it works awesome
This is not a pressurized "Penny Stove", it's a open top, that imitates the Trangia TB25 burner.
Have you tried cooling the monster can base and heating the bang top can? You may be a really neat and tight fit using thermo principles of expansion/contraction of metals from heating and cooling.
Subbed my homie.
Thanks!
Woth that many energy cans
You turned into a humming bird already ? ❤😂
Would heating the edges of the can to a point where the paint/logo would dissapear make a difference? Might make it a better fit?
That's not a bad idea at all. Some light sanding might help as well. Plus cans are lined with a little plastic to protect the metal from some sodas.
That’s very cool
Thanks!
Thanks
Fun fact: You can watch this entire video upside down and not realize until the end
I remember making one when I was young and I used a axe body deodorant can.
Sweetheart if you want it stronger and more robust just use two bottoms from an aluminum beer bottle there really thick for some reason!!!! Mine came out nice!!! You should try It sugar bear 🐻!!!
Gross.
So you mentioned the inner ring is of no real use. I agree. Ill add the cap is also a waste of effort, and that the penny stove concept with the holes poked into the top works perfectly. Any coin works.
Love the vid
Thank you!
I'd suggest the water boil test to see the efficiency of this design.
You are so underrated
Thanks Trithulu! I've been getting good views in the last week though so things are looking up!
Excellente'!
Love it!
Thanks!
This is fucking amazing 👏
Hey thanks! Share it if you know anyone else who would enjoy my content. I'm trying to get it out there any way I can!
Soup can bottom! Brilliant! I've made tons of these and used them for years, but never thought of the soup can. Will definately try it tomorrow. What did you use for the lid? Did you need jb weld to seal the 2 together?
Not sure either, but why couldn't the bottom be the soup can and the top aluminum can, with all the holes around the rim and 3 or 4 in the top center where a penny sits, like the original version. That seems like it'll work?
@@geico1975 I made one with soup can bottom and pop can top with chimney... no jb weld needed . Seemed to prime a little slower, but works just fine
Holy shit is the coolest thing I’ve seen in a while, I’m definitely going to try this. I know you said you used Isoheat in the video but what exactly is that?
Thank you! Isoheet is a fuel additive for cars that you can find in the automotive section in most convenience stores among other places. Many people keep a bottle in their garage or vehicle for winter since it's a fuel line anti-freeze. That makes it especially handy to use to fuel this mini stove if you get stranded somewhere in your car.
I played with these for a long while and settled on stoves like Zelph's Fancy Feast or the newer X-Boil. Better all around.
You're not wrong, buy its ok to enjoy building things even if you can't compete with corporations.
Good fun indeed. I still make them myself - just the other types. @@FollowTheCompassNorth
Wow this is actually really cool! Not sure if I missed the explanation, but is the cap for the stove the rounded bottom of a soda can?
Yes it is, the full explanation is on my full videos. These shorts are more like ads for my real content.
@@FollowTheCompassNorth but... This is the full video
Re can sizes - those things are standardized, and most brands, competitors or not, buy from the same suppliers.
If you use the center wall you dont need the lid.After a few seconds it comes through the burner holes.
I used some bicycle spokes to make a foldable pot stand.
That's a GREAT idea, the stand is always a pain.
Make a video!
Did you see the stove build where the guy put the can that slides inside the other one on its side laying on a toothpick and push down on it with his finger every quarter of an inch and then the can slid together just like that you don't have to go down very far maybe 3/8 of an inch and it puts a little crimp every quarter of an inch and the inside can shrinks down just a shade on the edge so it started and ready to go on
Thx
You could save yourself some time "experimenting" with different pop cans if you'd look around the base for the manufacturer. Most I run across are made by Ball. Same size.
Thnx 👊
No problem.
Awesome
Thor called, he wants his hammer back
Oh yeah... it does look a bit nordic.
Smart!
Good stuff! How long does the flame last with full grey liquid on?
10-15 minutes.
Metal expands on heating so probably you should try them again but with some heat
Great video I’m glad I learned how to do this. However I was a little confused as to what exact type of alcohol it would use, and also the cap that you used as well to retain the flame? Would this be safe to use in enclosed spaces like a car for heat if trapped? Finally, how long can the stove stay lit? Thank you!
Use denatured alcohol, or yellow bottle of "heet"
No. Combustion produces CO and you'll kill yourself without ventilation. Don't burn things for heat in enclosed spaces without a chimney this is basic.
Is it better than the CatCan (also called Fancy feast) stove. Many people saying that CatCan is a better version of the alcohol stove.
For Canadians‼️ we don't have Yellow HEET here but you can get 1 gal of Methyl Hydrate for 15CAD in the paint section at Canadian Tire.
➡️ methyl alcohol = methyl hydrate = carbinol = wood alcohol = wood spirit.