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@@LovelyKissess i know... Like I.N not a fan of skinship... Even now I.N would tell Seungmin to go away when he try to hug him... People should stop living in the pass...
i'm so sorry but i don't think he's innocent. there is still some truth in him being abbusive. why i think this, is because of the way jype reacted and the fact that he left while they were having a comeback and shooting mvs. it was too sudden. woojin was erased from thumbnails, his instagram posts were deleted, the way stray kids is behaving after he left is not how other bands are after a member leaves.perfect example: one direction, and re arranging songs and an album (skz2020) by replacing his parts. the proof stated in your videos is only based of from what the fans said about him, the fake victims and what we think the band itself has done. i'm really sorry but nothing you said cleared any of this.
@@LovelyKissess yes. In one live I.N was going to make lego and he said he invited Woojin for help him. If he was offended by Woojin why would he invite him among all other members??
THIS!!! OMG I'm glad someone pointed this out ffs. Idk what's up with Minho and Hyunjin (I hope it's just platonic teasing and such) but WHY THE HECK SOMEONE HASN'T POINTED THIS OUT?? Like he literally FLINCHES....The hypocrisy is REAL smh
For the bullying allegations, Bro, Felix would have KNOCKED him out with his Taekwondo training. Chan would have NEVER allowed it to happen. You really think he'd let Woojin hurt IN and Minho? NO. As for that game, everyone was enjoying it but after this situation, people twisted it out of context.
@@brown_skin_lover_queen5790 Another fact, the dude has a BLACK BELT IN TAEKWONDO. A BLACK BELT. And he even stood up to a bully in school. So, what makes you think he wouldn't have stood up to Woojin? Especially when there were no cameras?
I encountered a comment which said that Woojin is selfish for leaving the group because "he wants to have all the spotlight on himself." My immediate reaction is: what spotlight, bestie? Back when I didn't know about Skz that much, I only knew Chan, Hyunjin, Changbin, Han, and Felix. I had never even heard of Minho, Seungmin, and Jeongin. Let alone Woojin. I could see that person's point if Woojin were a popular member, because if he were, his departure would take away a huge amount of fans with him. But, no. He was one of the least popular members. When he debuts, his views barely get 1M in less than a month even though he was from a JYPE boy group. Many people want their faves to go solo and leave their current groups when they think their faves are mistreated. So why can't the exact condition get applied to Woojin too? I don't know whether JYPE did mistreat him or not, but seeing Woojin seems much happier now even if his career seems to start from the bottom again, you can see that he is in a much HEALTHIER working environment now. Why would that be bad? Another comment said it's shady that he left Skz. But if you pay attention to the kind of music he releases, and the songs he covers on his channel, you'll see that his musical genre is DIFFERENT with Skz. All idols, first and foremost, are artists. They definitely have a vision of what their art would become. The rest of the members felt like Skz's current sound fit their vision, therefore they stay. Woojin decided he wanted a different vision and probably knew that the other eight could still thrive without him. So there's nothing to lose, just a bit of sad times (especially from the Skz party) because they cannot work together anymore. Something as simple as going separate ways when you can't work it out anymore shouldn't be made as complex as this Woojin's situation 😔
My theory based on the available information, is that JYP Entertainment broke one or more promises to WooJin. This would give WooJin legal rights to ending his contract. Also, a reason JYP Entertainment said to support WooJin. They theoretically knew they did him wrong. Possibly they promised a Solo single or Solo mini album and decided to pass on it. By this time All the Skz members were singing much better than before, so JYP Entertainment knew they could do without WooJin. Just my theory, but I feel it ✔️ checks all the boxes. Remember that an idea that hasn't been proven or disproven.🐻💙
It is very exhausting. I'm getting to the point where I'm done explaining this as well. They'll never listen. Even if Straykids themselves said HE NEVER BULLIED THEM, people will still scream "it's my opinion and I believe he bullied and hurt them"
I just wanna point out that if someone says that someone else is bully other people when they are not is NOT an opinion. It's just a LIE. It would be the same as if you told people you were dating your crush when you weren't and when people confronted you about it you said it's your opinion. Like no, that makes no sense. I can't with these people who keep lying to themselves and other people. There was one girl who I was friends with irl and she was convinced he had done all the things people were saying he did. So I was trying to be polite about it and be like "Well I don't think there is any real evidence right now, lets just keep each other updated with what's happening." Then she was just talking about all the "lies" I have told her and was coming at me for things I had never done. I was like "Woah, when did this get personal?" Let's just say that we don't talk anymore. I just wish everyone would be logical and think about the things they are saying.
@@deedlebeetles I was also thinking about that but I guess it’s an opinion to believe in something? It doesn’t make anything a fact though so it’s a dumb argument no matter what
Woojin haters be like : - Woojin is so violent with Hyunjin he's a bully. - Bang Chan is so violent with Woojin he's trying to protect the members. Girl...
The fact that a lot of people are just saying “I trust SKZ, Felix said #8” is so extremely scary. Like Felix could say anything these people will believe it because he’s cute.
He probably just said that because he was sick of stays constantly saying "9 or none", completely disrespecting the agreement SKZ and Woojin came to. Basically saying, "We're 8 now, accept it and move on".
I got into an argument with another stay about this. I literally told her that Felix always had that hashtag and just wanted us to support them and not leave them
Vlive is a live video streaming service, you basically can't be Blacklisted. Blacklisted meant that the companies that control the mainstream media, and all turn their back on you, just like Jessica that was in Girls Generation and she was wiped out from any TV show and music event and badly the mainstream industry, but she continues to work and did make some appearances on an independent platform or independent event... so fan greats he can be in because he makes them, he rents the space and all. So he can collaborate on the internet or use his Chanel to go on VLive. But he never appeared on any show with a large audience on TV ever... it's how BTS has pushed aside for 3 years when they debuted and almost no one in Korea knew of them... They basically buried the artists' careers.
@@shamkand No, the point of them saying that was because he, nor his company, would have a VLive channel if he wasn't able to be an artist. Because only official artists and their companies can start a VLive channel, otherwise every fan would be able to make a channel too 😂 Now, given, "blacklisted" may not have been the best topic for this person to make their comment under, but I think this is where they were going with it. I hope this makes a little more sense 👋
If Woojin had been Felix or Hyunjin, and they said those exact words in a statement, those same people hating in Woojin would understand that the translation was bad and they'll read every post explaining what they really meant
I'm still angry at a point when ppl keep saying thus shit like "Stray Kids and Woojin are not friends anymore" and I was like, How do you know? Who told you? Who supposed to prove that. Then tikToKers uploaded a part of Everglow Up's video about How Woojin Bullied SKZ, especially the Monsta X Wonho thing. Then they give dumb opinions saying that "Monsta X and Wonho still be friends but Stray Kids and Woojin are not friend anymore". I was really disappointed and angry knowing this.
@Amy Lee exactly. They still want to overrule the Law, they also keep saying this is my opinion and this is frustrating me when they don't even know the basis of how things are debunked.
@@LovelyKissess exactly. They act like they know everything but when they were hold accountable fir things that are clearly wrong, they get angry. In other words, miss me with that bs.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the members were seen wearing woojins items after he left, and Chan's mother was even following woojin, if they were on bad terms I don't think they would wear his shit and have their mothers follow him
I always had a feeling that of course chan or the rest of the boys dont have to disclose what happened for him to leave but i just feel like, if Chan can risk himself spoiling a song before a comeback (which is strictly advised not to do in the company) he said that "if it's for stay then i dont care" because felix was afraid of getting in trouble and chan said "I have nothing to lose". And if Chan didnt HAVE to tell us that hissong was not about Woojin. He could have let us believed it was about him without saying anything but it bothered him to the point where he had to tell us it was not about him. If he has that energy i would wish for him to say something about it. Maybe not exactly reveal what happened but to maybe just tell us that this rumor of them being bullied isnt true. Or to just stand his ground about how horrible his fans are treating other people. They are literally victimizing them making them seem like weaklinks just to justify their "opinion" and that's not right. Plus the fans knkw they cannot speak about it and they are taking advantage of it. I kniw he doesnt have to do this but it would be nice for CHan to step his foot and talk to fans about sonething so his fans can sitdown for once. Thays if they are even fans, I quoted someone's tweet that someone said something negative about woojin. I said "what if chan tells us one day that he didnt bully them, then what? Are you gonna go against chan now?" And someone called woojin a r*p*st and proceeded to say that Yes they will go against him. Like what? Go against him for clearing things up? What the hell is wrong with his fans?? They say "Oh we listen to chan he is trustworthy" but ignore all the hints and his teachings about being respectful once he turns off that vlive camera.
The bullying allegations were false as the staff was fake. But aren't lot of jyp artists allowed to spoil? I mean, Got7 would spoil so often. Even Twice are spoiler queens.
To be honest, I think he’s not saying anything because 1. He probably just wants to move on, he has for a while, and 2. His priority is stray kids and their careers, he doesn’t want to get involved in a scandal.. stray kids have quite enough scandals of their own scandals to deal with😭. But it’s frustrating how stays take the part where he said woojin “betrayed them” and run with that and use it as an excuse to hate on him, but completely disregard the fact that it clearly bothered him when stays were hating on woojin to the point that he actually had to tell us to stop hating on him despite him leaving the groups months prior. I’m sick of stays acting like they’re protecting stray kids by hating on him, because if they actually cared about them, they would listen to what chan says.
i'm glad someone else addressed this. i love chan, i really do, but the utter lack of support back then really frustrated me. purely because a LOT of stays were convinced of the rumors PURELY BECAUSE CHAN DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING! chan's always been outspoken on toxic behaviour by stays, but somehow in the worst of it he didn't say anything? he never clarified that no one was bullied, no one was mistreated, nothing? and if he was trying to move on, how on earth could he not see that his earlier vlive was going to be taken out of context? it's really ironic that he was talking about "making sure not to hurt those around you" and "thinking of your actions" and that "your actions have consequences" WHEN THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENED. he's an IDOL, with a FOLLOWING, and he knows better than to speak in riddles where people can interpret it however they want. he should know better than to spread misinformation like that, especially when he could see his blunder putting fuel to the fire. seriously. i love chan to death, he's a total sweetheart and a caring man, but this really ticked me off.
@prxncess xo what the person did anything about the braids? only they mentioned scandals with is pretty vague, and idk in kpop apparently you can’t just defend your band mate. Which just creates issues
5:44 just wanted to add a little to this, I'm a stay who entered in God's menu era and found about Woojin's situation deciding to stay neutral. Now I was pretty curious because there isn't a lot of him. In Stray kids videos released before his departure I always see how he gets little screen time compared to the other members, he also didn't talk much (or he is simply shy, or someone/something is impeding him to do so, maybe he was scared he'll say something the company didn't wanted him to? Anyways this is just what I've personally seen and is very subjective I guess 9:38 the same thing I tell to stays that support Hyunjin with his current problematic but won't hesitate to hate on Woojin, I've read comments saying "he's too cute to have done that" like- (Btw no hate on Hyunjin, I love him too just calling stays with double morality)
The fact this channel and these videos are the ONLY proof that Woojin is more likely innocent is sickening Thank you so much for making these videos it made my skz and many others (I assume) more comfortable and understanding with the Woojin situation You DEFINITELY deserve more recognition
Someone told me that he should have never provided an alibi saying he was busy with solo activities and should have said something else. But was he supposed to lie? Training is a job for idols and they train more than they see their family so him saying that was exactly what he should have said because if they provided a date and time, he could have easily proven that alibi true with cctv footage or other recorded videos
When I discovered Stray Kids I didn't know that Woojin has left the group. He was one of the first members I've recognized while I was listening to their early stuff on Spotify (the other one was Felix because, you know, he has that D E E P V O I C E) because of his voice. When I've found out about his departure I was a little sad at first, but then I thought "Well, maybe he's doing a solo career, just like Wonho" and I've done my research about it. I'm glad that now he's doing well and has many fans that support him and recognize his talent like me. Unfortunately, I've also found out what STAYs have done to him in 2020 (from the bullying accusations to the SA scandal) and that pissed me off. I still can't understand why a fanbase can be like this towards someone who didn't do anything to them. But what made me angrier is what I've found out in the Italian fandom. Recently I've found a RUclips channel that is making Italian subs for Stray Kids' videos. They're subbing the first season of Two Kids Room at the moment and everytime they put an episode where Woojin is in it, they censor his name in the title, don't put his face in the thumbnail and they put a disclaimer at the beginning like "This is a three-year-old video where Woojin was a member of the group. If you're feeling uncomfortable, please don't watch this video". At least they have the decency to not blur his face, but seriously, it's like they're trying to erase him from the group's past or something. Now, I still support Stray Kids, STAYs with toxic behaviour will never stop me from doing that, but I'll try to stay away from the fandom as much as possible. I don't want to meet people on the internet that will mock me because I also support Woojin. If they still believe that he's a terrible person even after everything was debunked then it's their problem, not mine.
This just proves that without complete context, people go out of their way to make sense of anything just to satisfy themselves. I understand that not knowing the full story can be very frustrating, but people really need to put boundaries between themselves and their idols because it's unhealthy. It also shows how narrow minded a lot of people are. Thank you so much for making this video, I feel much more educated regarding the situation.
Today I saw a video of a girl talking about woojin, and a comment was saying bad things about him calling him trash and things like that, and when I went to defend him, I received bad comments calling me bad things😊. Sorry for my english is not my first language.
I always thought people over reacted about woojin, bluring his face out of videos as if he is a serial killer. He could be guilty but as long as there is not a single strand of proof he might as well be innocent. Accusing innocent people of terrible things is just as bad as not believing victims, that is why there needs to be proof before we can either say he is a terrible person or the victims are lying. Right now we need to be unbiased and objective and not make rushed conclusions, maybe there will be more evidence in the future for/about either parties. But the "proof" available now isn't proof it's just a he said she said thing, and shaming/bullying Woojin isn't ok either if you don't know he is guilty, and you just assume he is.
Your first sentence really is true. I dont know why but i really get mad or irked whenever a youtuber blurs woojin's face in their videos. I know its about "Personal Decision" but its like you're erasing the fact that he was a part of that group and that he did something really bad for his name to be forgotten "4ever"
From what I know when any idol leaves a group companies usually blur his/her/their faces.. so people wouldn’t get confused during newer videos if that makes sense.. I think fans are doing the same at least from what I think it is.. but you never know what a persons intention is..
I'm a little conflicted regarding the face blurring thing since I know companies would do that when someone leaves a group under them. Like I can understand if they do it to avoid conflict, especially between or from their fans, but it's straight up denial that I don't like.
Without even really knowing Woojin since I've become a Stay just a few months ago (and still... Girl... just because you are a fan you do NOT know your idols...) he gives me the vibe of a person who thought a lot about leaving JYPE AND StrayKids. I'm sure he and Chan and all the members sat together for some time and talked about it and he explained to them why he wants to leave and they accepted it. I think of him as that kind of person and if he wants to tell us the reasons he will tell us. But he doesn't have to. We are not the members of StrayKids, we are not his family, not his friends. We are his fans and it is his choice, who to tell people. It is a huge step to leave an agency as big as JYPE and a group. I'm sure he knew that his leaving will have some kind of bad taste to it and people will hate him or the group for it. He knows the industry he is working in. Because of that I think he thought long about it and talked to different people. At least that is what I would do. Talk to people and get their opinion. And as I already said, I think he talked to the members about it and I believe they support him. I hope you understand my rambling... Sorry ^^"
“This man doesn’t know how to speak English” idk why, but the way in which you said that had me rotf 😂❤️ Like seriously, most idols aren’t fluent in English. That’s why they have designated members who’re bilingual so that the other members don’t need to worry about not knowing the language. So yeah, there’s no way that Woojin had a full conversation in English with a stranger.
I’m so happy that Woojin has moved on to bigger and better things and hasn’t let a bunch of 14 year old internet trolls with too much time on their hands, bully him 😤! I’m also happy to hear that his company backs him 100%🥰🙏🏼! He is so incredibly talented and I look forward to enjoying his future work 🥰🤩🙏🏼!
08:13 OMG THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEBODY SAID IT!!!!! I always thought ''if that stuff Woojin did to the members is bulling, then what the hell is Lee Know doing???''
I feel like Woojin has the right to not respond to anything or explain his self to something that isnt true. He has the right to ignore a rumor and things that he doesn't want to talk about or answer. The fact that people think that Woojin or any artist in general has to explain themselves just to prove that they didnt do something even tho they know they didnt do it and know that the "evidence" that people put out on the internet is fake is stupid. Theres nothing but drama in the world and its the only thing that keeps people are interested in is disgusting and fake🙄
EXACTLY!!!!!!!! Stays who never liked woojin were just waiting for something to hate on him. They were all quick to jump on the bandwagon just to get some attention, they all know that woojin isn't a bad person but they just want attention. Not wishing bad for anyone but I hope whoever started this gets hit with a double dose of KARMA for causing someone innocent and kind hearted so much pain and sadness. No matter what all thoes haters and clowns say I will forever love and support woobear🐻🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍
I think Changkyun's situation was handled in a civil way, monbebe took care of it emailing starship to remove the pics and muslimbebe educated Chang about it instead of criticising him, of course like all things it got out of hands
*For people who came straight to the comments without watching* Reasons why people have hated on Woojin and why they aren’t valid First accusations: *proven false* *More info:* Mochi: an important Woojin controversy update ruclips.net/video/ZAw0aeAb9MQ/видео.html Fake company: *10x is on record as a legitimate company in Korea* *More info:* DKDKTV: Woojin controversy explained with official documents ruclips.net/video/Z_gLI1pUjXk/видео.html First response: *mistranslated* *More info:* Mochi: Woojin’s statement was actually mistranslated ruclips.net/video/dk-Z90vuX30/видео.html Bullying: *clearly edited/cut videos that don’t show the full story* *More info:* The EverGlow-up: How Woojin “bullied” Stray Kids ruclips.net/video/6fp0s9zjXdo/видео.html *If you want more of an overview on everything* The EverGlow-up: How Kim Woojin became the “villain” of kpop ruclips.net/video/X7S15psfGdY/видео.html The EverGlow-up: How Woojin became the “villain” of kpop pt 2 ruclips.net/video/ld2zF7QJ07o/видео.html
I’ve seen a lot of people say that in Woojin’s response he said something like “I wasn’t at the place they claimed I was” so everyone was like “the person never even stated where they were so how could he know he wasn’t there?”...bruh, how do people not realize that he would’ve said that because he doesn’t have to know where it was in order to say he wasn’t there. He never did the things the person was accusing him of...SO OBVIOUSLY HE WASNT THERE
EXACTLY. And if he doesn't go to bars, he can still say he wasn't there because he know he wasn't there. Plus the second accuser named a date and place
And also shitty kpop stans r still saying woojail woojail yeah he needs to die or go to jail. And most of them have pictures of hyunjin? He was accused of bullying girls and people were supporting him... but when woojin was accused of bullying skz and sexually assaulting women the stays BELIEVED these fake rumors. On tiktok I go “and u have a picture of hyunjin” and they go “EXusE mE” and they believe the woojin rumors. Basically I just called them out for being hypocrites. 😂
Thank you for making these informative videos... I hope this bandwagon of hate will stop in the future, I really never ever seen someone being slandered that much without even proof... People just believing what others are saying without a base is pretty sad. I never believed the rumors from the beginning because they were shady and also I've been stanning Woojin since predebut and okay we don't know much about idols, but still you could see that they were heavly monitored during fansings and also you could tell how much Skz loved each others! But anyway, keep it up with the good work! If you plan on doing podcasts also, I'll listen to them because I love your voice and your way of explaining things!
ikr I've actually seen people say a bunch of rumors as if they're facts and then at the end of their list of accusations mention that this is just stuff they've heard around and have no idea if it's true ;-; like wtf when did gossiping become okay-
the woojin being aggressive thing is just normal most of us guys would throw a rock at eachother and hurt eachother and one of us would hysterically laugh to death or if one of us scrape our elbow or knee most of us would laugh or chuckle
Honestly this is the first time I even saw the "reasons" as to why Woojin was bad. I got into Stray Kids since last year so pretty recently, and I knew about Woojin but I only knew that he left and that nobody wanted to talk about him and people hated him. That's it. I asked multiple people and tried to do research and figure it out but none of it made sense. The first legitimate answer I got was because he was bullied out of the group by fans because he was "gay" for Chan...that's the reason I was told. Obviously I didn't believe that but its just insane to now finally know the reasons and know how dumb it all was. I've only been a fan for a short period of time but now I barely go into the fandom because even now its extremely toxic. Woojin is still extremely talented and I'm so proud of him.
I wish that this video debunking the rumors were as widespread as the allegations against him. It's not fair that bad news spreads so much more quickly than good news and rumors spread like wildfire while facts go unnoticed.
@@woojincubs2058 What I was trying to say was that I appreciate that these videos actually work to clear his name. I wish these videos were as widespread as all the content listing baseless allegations against him.
@@woojincubs2058 i can't seem to find the vid she made abt the bullying accusations, did she delete it or smth? i wanted to watch it again but it's not there.
The thing people fail to realize, is an opinion is just a feeling not a fact. And you can't have an opinion that the truth is false Because that's what you want it to be
i also don't like it when ppl say: "omg don't touch me stfu it's my opinion, i can say what i want." freedom of speech is NOT freedom of consequences. ppl can talk shit as long as they can deal with being called out for their shitty behaviour ugh they themselves preach "actions have consequences" but start crying when you start a serious conversation with them
Or you can have an opinion to spin things however way you want to fit your narrative whether it’s woojin haters or woojin defenders people like to spin things to fit what narrative they want on the internet and present it as facts as if they actually know these people when it just based on what has been publicly presented to us
I have never gotten into Stray Kidz, since their “noisy” music is very overbearing to me. The one time i watched their cover of Fancy by TWICE, Woojin was the only one that caught my attention. Now that Woojin is outta the group and being notoriously bullied and mentally abused by his former fandom, I say there goes my last chance of getting into Stray Kidz’ music and they only got their toxic fandom to blame.
Well,they do have non-noisy songs. (I can recommend some if you'd like.) Since you don't like noisy music,you should probably listen to Woojin's songs(if you haven't,that is).
The bullying thing never made sense to me, even if he was bullying the members do stays really think Chan, Changbin, and Minho would sit by and let that happen? Chan loves Straykids more than anything I highly doubt he would let one of the members abuse another. I called people out for this for so long and they still claimed from the "videos." like dude they know they're being filmed do you really think he would bully someone on camera and even off-camera? There are previous videos of SKZ showing affection to Woojin that debunk the "bullying" videos. Seriously why can't Stay grow up?
That's my thing.... Chan is so protective and he takes his role as a leader seriously, and the fact they they think he and the others would just WATCH is dumb!
And it's funny how they call Straykids looking at Woojin a certain way, bullying on Woojins end. But with Somin, she's the bully for looking at Hyunjoo like that,so is Jimin. So why isn't Straykids? They can't grow up because they're too young and have years left to do so. Plus ignorance likes to travel in large numbers
I wanted to talk about something but I can’t remember if it’s true or not but please correct me. So you know how Chan has been under JYP for the longest out of most of the members? Well in their pre-debut survival program that they did, didn’t JYP himself say that Chan was the one who hand-picked the members of Stray Kids when they were trainees to form the group? Because my theory is that if this was the case, if the members of Stray Kids REALLY had a problem with Woojin, bullying or otherwise, wouldn’t Chan have said something before the reality show was made? Because Woojin wouldn’t be on the show if that was the case. He would have left the company a long long time ago. This was just something that came across my mind and was something I thought about recently. But I could be wrong though so I don’t want to spread misinformation. I would have to go back and watch the episodes again to make sure.
@@reveluvharu0506 you are absolutely correct. Chan handpicked the members and there are videos that show them all getting along. Straykids were OT9 at one point and stays need to realize it and accept it instead of pretending it never happened
@@gokuwasthebesthokage9875 thank you for clearing this up. I also agree that we can’t pretend OT9 wasn’t a thing to begin with, especially because we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. We only know what JYP and the members themselves put out.
I’ve seen so many videos of SKZ as an OT9 and an OT8 group and... I don’t see any major differences between how they behaved with or without Woojin... It doesn’t look like him being around or not makes them any happier or not. Y’all know the saying “Boys will be boys”? This is what it means. It means that guys rough house with each other a lot. It doesn’t refer to a bunch of behaviors and mannerisms that it’s usually used to defend men. But in this context, it makes perfect sense. Woojin wasn’t mistreating the other members. That’s that.
In this case why would Chan come forward and say « my song isn’t about who you think it is so stop the hate » but nothing for that exact Vlive? Considering Woojin got way more hate after that than for the song?
@@hortense962 not sure but they aren't allowed to say some types of things under contract, I'm sure it's put a big stress on all of them including Woojin
The thing that is the most ridiculous for me is the fact that as kpop stans and fans we've ALL dealt with bad translations/subtitles and weird phrasings that don't translate well. And just by hearing "weird rumor" and "absurd situation" I can immediately assume the original meaning was more along the lines off a polite form of saying "a strange/unknown (to the person aka woojin) event has taken place/controversy is making it's rounds" and it's "a situation that doesn't make sense to him" like in he doesn't see the validity in the "rumors". Come on guys we've dealt with worse translations and subtitles than this especially when it comes to polite speech, which statements usually are in. I've been looking into chinese media recently (c-pop, dramas, manhuas, etc) and believe me the translations for some things are a lot worse and you see these weird phrasings all the time cuz somethings simply cannot be translated (especially when you have something as complex and metaphorical as the various chinese languages) let alone while retaining the original essence and you just have to base it off context and experience clues. The original translation for Woojin's statement looks to me like a poorly translated Manhua from first glance, it's obvious that stuff was lost in translation and you have to read between the lines and as a whole to get the context and jist of what is being said. You're bound to fail by analyzing a poor translation word by word instead of looking at the big picture.
I think this situation just reinforces two things more than anything. 1. We don't know these idols personally, and they are within their rights to have some sort of privacy in their lives. Sometimes personal reasons are "personal" for a reason, and we shouldn't force it out of these idols. 2. Don't take everything on the internet for face value. Not saying this applies to everybody, but people are capable of lying and the internet is no exception. Someone can falsely accuse somebody for something serious, people would believe it, drag the victim online, and the accuser is sitting back silently gawking at the situation. (Just described the situation in a nutshell)
Hi! I totally, completely agree with what your saying. it's like completely ridiculous of the way people are acting. They just, refuse to accept the truth or at least try to find the truth. They just believe anything they hear or see, but it's about time we stop. It's about time we stop trying to convince others about the " Woojin Situation". Cuz all we doing is sitting here and wasting our breaths, its meaningless. If they refuse to accept the truth, just let them be. Until this point, I realize that They may never change their minds, and i'm ok with that, because all their doing is just sitting there looking like idiots, and so I say let them be one> we've tried to get them to understand and at least try to make them think about and understand what's going on before they "choose a side", but I guess they just won't listen or just won't come to their senses. To be honest, at first, i felt bad for those people who are getting "tricked", but now I think their the ones causing this on themselves, so if this is what they want, let them be. and no one can say we didn't try. We've been trying this whole time, but they just won't come to their senses so were done, were out, we'll let them be what wanna be. I forgot got to say that i'm so glad i'm not alone on this. Oh! also, woojin has improved so much on his english! when I heard him speaking english, I was like wow! and i started to feel sad cuz i feel like english is an easy language to learn now( but , its not when you think about it, but i feel like korean is harder) but anyways...yeah! he's improved a lot in english although, his pronunciation needs a lot of work so he isn't that good but he's at an level 2 in english, he's OK in english. Thanks to everyone who supports woojin, and hopefully in the future everything will get way better! #Woojin #WoojinSupporters #ThankYouForBeingASupportiveFriend
Thank you for making this! It’s tiring and exhausting to try to inform people about this when they just don’t want to believe or even hear anything defending him, he honestly deserves so much better and I hope many people support him
Hi I'm new to the fandom and I've see so many people hating on woojin. I'm also tired of these woojin haters. Thank you for this video. I wish people would stop hating in him.
what a great 2 parter - i just wanted to add that even if Chan was talking about Woojin in that vlive clip you showed, there is nothing wrong with two different perspectives, one being woojin and his personal reasons - the other being the members or even just Chans POV on WJ leaving
exactly! then, even if chan was completely right about woojin not acting good... people do mistakes. Maybe he had a fight with the guys and he didn't act good, but WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED and I'm sick of ppl pretending to. Even if he did some mistakes, we all do, that doesn't mean we deserve hate for it. Han did a mistake in the past, Hyunjin also (remembering about their "scandals") a lot of other Idols also but they are all forgiven expect woojin, it's so unfair. I hope he's okay rn
@@everglowup You are really capable of balancing mistakes with context. It's not like ' Oh, they're entirely in the wrong ' or ' Oh, their context exuses their actions'. You balance it out really well. I think you are very understanding and assertive about your points as well. You are able to see through the blind herd of Kpop fans and make rational conclusions. Something we really need in Kpop RUclipsrs who make videos about cases.
Not to mention, Woojin's new company have to know the reason he left JYPE. They wouldn't have stood by him or taken him on if he was kicked out of jype.
There's a reason I thank the idols saying "thank you for sharing so much of yourself". The word to be highlighted is "sharing". The fact is that they deserve their privacy, they have every right to choose the level of their sharing, and that level is up to them on individual instance basis. It is not mandatory for them to share everything and anything at same level of openness every time. Respect their privacy, don't read into things, and keep on open mind about things.
@Bluntarmy sometimes boredstay and to be strictly honest if none are talking its probably due to a NDA. If it is if any of the parties talk about it than that's a breach of that contract and a hefty fine. Just saying legally none maybe able to come forward even if they wanted to.
I really want to watch the older videos/music videos that have him in it, but I'm just scared to do it without looking in the comment sections. I just wanna enjoy watching those videos again.
The edited bullying videos were not believable or credible. They didn’t even look like he was bullying just goofing around like all of the other members were doing.
I completely agree with the facts in this video. Ever since I saw all these other youtube kpop videos that talk badly about Woojin and calling him a bully and other horrible names. I stayed neutral ever since these fake fans made those false rumors about him, it made me both sad for woojin being cyberbullied and angry that these quote on quote " fans" will not stop being so stubborn and arrogant about believing the lies made on poor woojin. I love all of the members of stray kids with all my heart, and seeing this video made me have hope that woojin will always stay strong and these liars will learn to back off. I've never been one to believe lies about my favorite idols cause those rumors are overly dramatic and sometimes these rumors are over the top to the point where it's straight up confusing.
"And hopefully all those people who hate Woojin will have this haunting them for the rest of their lives" PEAK SAVAGENESS, QUEEN 👌✨🔥 I will never see Back Door the same again, thank you 😂💙
@@susmagurung6856 Yes 😂😂😂 The choreo in Back Door that she'd screenshotted was similar to a picture that the group had taken when Woojin was still in the group, so she showed the comparison to "haunt" Woojin's haters 😂😂😂😂😂
another fantastic vid! just one thing, on the point of him just being able to walk away from jype if he was unhappy: contracts are, though not invincible, legally binding. one usually can't just up and leave if they want to, if that were the case we'd have way fewer cases of idol mistreatment. from what i understand what usually happens is that if an artist feels like the company has breached the contract they can sue to get out of it (like elkie of clc did) or there needs to be something legally or constitutionally wrong with the contract for it to be declared void (i think this is what happened with kris, luhan and tao) and it goes both ways a company can also sue its artists for breach of contract etc. the reason why i'm bringing this up is to point out that got7 didn't choose to endure their mistreatment, they legally had to. if jype's behavior was crappy but didn't technically violate their contract the best they could do was wait it out. there's also a lot more nuance to the got7 situation like how jype started off treating them well up until like 2017 then progressively started mismanaging them until everything just became unbearable in 2020 (in 2018, they had even expressed a desire to be like 2pm and stay with the company for 10+ years) but that's a discussion for another day. so back to woojin, like i said all contracts are legally binding but contractual clauses are different depending on the company. my theory is that maybe woojin's personal reasons fell into a category that made it contractually permissible for him to leave without legal consequences e.g. family issues, health issues etc. basically i agree with you. he wasn't kicked it out or blacklisted. he left jype on decent terms, with the company even wishing him well and encouraging fans to continue supporting him. also like you said his personal reasons are non of our business and fans need to understand their boundaries and stop acting so entitled 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Y'all fake stays/saesangs need to get your story straight even if it's true(which it's not)cubs and real stays will stick with him. -WE LOVE YOU WOO WOO BEAR 🐻🐻🐻
Han used the “N” word not to long ago but nobody checked him. Idgaf if he was young and uneducated, let that had been Woojin, everyone would’ve been down his throat. The Double Standards Chile. I love it, it proves how these “Stays” are so hypocritical. I wanna become a Stay, but this fandom is too much for me. If I see Chan or Felix get allegations and everyone defends, u prove my point. Thank you and have a nice day, be safe Woojin
trust me and stay away from this fandom (I am a former stay) the toxicity levels are at a whole new level. I still support the boys but I have absolutely NOTHING to do with their fandom
I just can’t with the double standard. I’m not saying Han deserves hate but we literally put all of that in a rug and ignored it. U Kpop fans are weird, no shade
@@rawtbith it was when he was 13. He had apologized in 2017 for the lyrics he wrote when he was a teenager. Although it was never specifically mentioned, jyp took it down as they didn't want people to search for it. It was recently brought up by a 3racha Anti and he apologized again for what he said.
han definitely received backlash and he still is, I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. but you’re still right, i’m also convinced that if it was another member who was accused, people wouldn’t have believed it so easily. a lot of people started to dislike woojin the moment he left the group.. some didn’t even like him when he was in it and I think this gave them an excuse to justify their hatred for him so they just blindly believed everything that went against him without proof.
I've been doing so much research on this and you're on to something. I have seen stray kids fans jump into Woojin's fan's videos of him singing to say Seungmin is better. Unprovoked. It just shows insecurity
The reason people considered it shady that Woojin could leave just like that is because these contracts are just that strict...there's a reason they're called slave contracts. This is also the reason why "GOT7 chose to sit through the mistreatment". Because they had nothing they could do! Its not like they can violate their contracts. What you could've pointed out however is the significant difference in treatment between idols of different generations. These contracts originally used to be for 11-14 years, but now they've been shortened to 7 years. Similarly the clauses have been made more beneficial for the idols. This gives idols a lot more freedom. Thus each generation is probably more freer than the one before (and probably more susceptible to cancel culture).
people are still blurring woojin's face in videos because it makes other people uncomfortable. Like if you don't want to see woojin's face just don't watch the video
The very first time I watch a video like that I went "what was the reason?" Because the only respond you gonna have is "ha I love the blurring/sticker" it takes all the attention from the video and it's a free pass to talk about it in the comment section. I unsubscribed to so many channel for that reason and because they were explicitly saying he was guilty.
Ikr. I've been thanking youtubers who don't blur his face, and comments asking why they do so on videos where they do blur him. It just doesn't make any sense. Woojin once was a part of SKZ, there is no reason as to why people try to remove him from their history. People don't blur former Exo members. What's the difference?
There was a video of one of the skz members asking woojin to leave the table (I think to use the bathroom?) and people said, “it’s because of the bullying”. BUT… It’s just part of the korean culture. The younger ones would typically ask the oldest to excuse themselves. That’s just how Korean culture works! NOT and I repeat NOT BULLYING!
On the topic of people not understanding why Woojin left... I think it has to do w/ how kpop (the fans and/or company) really emphasizes how close the members are & how important their bond is. I guess seeing only 1 member leave like that, well these people take it as a betrayal of that bond. They're being really parasocial about it basically, getting offended on the other member's behalf.
I just can't picture Felix being intimidated by the bullying allegations come on Felix is a black belt in Taekwondo, he could beat anyone who dares and try to hurt him. And Woojin supposedly pushing and putting down other members is absurd I have seen videos and they all play a bit rough with each other it's nothing new. I'm a new stan and I'm glad I got this video in my RUclips feed to learn about.
Videos woojin makes the members uncomfortable. Meanwhile Hyunjin cuddling woo. Felix cuddling woo and holding his hands. Han cuddling woo and playfully trying to kiss him. Chan holding hands with woo and hugging him. Minho letting woo spin him around and looking so comfy in his arms. Seungmin hugging woo and complementing him. Changbin Hugging woo and holding his hand and making sure woo didn't hurt his head when chan and woo were playing the tag game. jeongin back hugging woo and laying on him and clingy af with woo. Another thing with these woojin haters is they run around praising the members for being rough and playful and touchy saying awe they love each other yet woojin does it and he's sexually and physically Abusing them? Going back to 2kids room all the amazing and loving things han and felix and the others said to woojin and their still saying he bullied them and they were uncomfy with him. Another thing that makes nooooo sense is that stay would know That Bangchan wouldn't let anyone hurt the members. Felix and Minho know martial arts. Felix has a black belt in Taekwondo. Minho did body guard training. Hyunjin is taller then woo and way more masculine. (he's not just a drama llama) And they are surrounded by staff when woo is on camera supposedly bullying the members. Don't make much sense when you add these things up.
Yes sis!!! Thanks for making it clear to everyone. At least I can rest now because I have been trying to explain to some stays but all I got was hate for supporting him. I love stray kids but what most of their fandom did to him was really not nice at all that’s why I left the fandom so yeah. Thanks ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🥺
I agree that I.M. should have done his own research, but I feel that the hate should be aimed at whoever designed the shirt therefore giving people like I.M. the impression that the shirt was appropriate.
Your friend is a genius ! I will now go watch Back door to feel better because this shitshow is exhausting. You're truly the voice of reason during these trying times !
God, i love you for clearing everything up. Showed this to a stay who was believing that wooj was guilty and asked my opinion and once she saw this and 10x’s documentary and she said it was kinda obvious that wooj was innocent and that she’s glad that she didn’t embarrass herself on the internet. Guesss you saved her social life or sum she told ,e to comment a thank you from her
Thank you for clarifying and making this video istg people are hating on him just because he did nothing and was PROVED this is so sad haters are really trash
I’ve said this one and I’ll say it again, I have been a stay since the survival show, and this entire “scandal” or whatever it was, was horrifying. I hate myself for this, but I have been slowly drifting from the fandom after this happened. I can never look at the fandom the same way as I see it becoming toxic, people digging up there personal lives, creating rumors from a 2 second clip. I miss the days when stays were a nice community, if this es days ever existed.
So chan never cleared what he was talking about in his vlive?? Atleast he could have said its not about woojin. Why give more spark to speculation?? Why give people gossip to talk about when you can't even be clea about it ?? I think all celebs should he smart enough to understand what they say have weight. Whether they like it or not. So they should be more clear of their thoughts and words. Actions have consequences. Yes he is allowed to openup to this fans but he should also see the consequences. The hurt it has caused to a 3rd party who wasn't even present there to justify themselves.
Exactly. That’s why I think because of his live, his words encouraged those group of Brazilian stays to start teaming up & creating the false SA allegations. One of them even confess that woojin didn’t do anything.
I disagree with what you said at the beginning, about IM. During photoshoots, artists really have no time to look at the clothing. They get thrown a shirt their way, have to put it on quickly, get pictures taken, take it off and put on a different shirt. IM probably never even noticed the colour - let alone see that phrase in an unknown language and think it was more than a pattern. He really has no fault in this.
@@sophiagenkinger8269 For a photoshoot, his stylist had him wear a shirt with a phrase in Arabic that Muslims use in prayer. I absolutely agree that this was insensitive and should not have happened. However, it isn't right that IM gets blamed for this. He has no say in what he wears and doesn't even get to take a good look at the clothing.
@@cilantroisbetterthanparsley Hi, Muslim here! It said Allah in Arabic, which is the Muslim word for God, so it wasn't really just some phrase we use for prayer. No hate on IM, just wanted to let you know!
although I don’t believe the bullying and sexual assault accusations, i do think the vlive was about woojin. I can’t think of anyone else it would be about. it does make sense for it to be about woojin. that doesn’t make him a terrible person though, idols get kicked out all the time for petty shit. I think maybe he made some small mistakes and instead of getting kicked out, they (jype & woojin) came to agreement and decided it was best for him to leave or something which is why jype’s statement was worded the way it was... just my opinion. chan wouldn’t have defended him if he did something terrible. kpop stans always have to make sure everything gets out of hand and blown out of proportion huh... so annoying. if something did happen, they didn’t tell us for a reason! y’all need to grow up and leave it at that instead of jumping through hoops trying to find reasons.
Yes I do agree with you. I think he said it because he was hurt and woojin was someone he can rely on so he was just upset and wanted to share it with stays but he also hadn't had an idea of his vlive backlashing like this.
@@kpoplover1717 yeah exactly... if they were being bullied and abused don’t you think they would be happy to have him gone? they were obviously upset and that’s probably why they felt ‘betrayed’. the hate he receives he is unnecessary, even if he did get kicked out - we don’t know what woojin was going through or what his reasons were for his departure... and they don’t have to tell us, that’s between them. they’re big boys they can fight their own battles. kpop fans and stays are really immature I’ve noticed
This kinda doesn't make any sense, like u said u cannot think of a possible other person he could be talking about, but like gurl are u him? They train for so long and have met so many people, and u assume u know everything thing about him? Also they are not even allowed to talk about people who have left so it's clearly not him.
@@via45 I would agree with you, but he said “stays know what’s I’m talking about” at the end, we wouldn’t know if it was a random trainee. I don’t blame anyone, it’s not hard to get kicked out of a kpop company. JYP’s kicked people out for going to bars, rumours, dating etc. before. so if that is what happened, like chan said, people make mistakes. It’s ok. the hate he received was NOT justified and I’m still mad at stays for what they did and continue to do him.
i feel so guilty that i hopped on the hate train towards woojin but watching your videos has made me really re-evaluate my views on the whole situation and i'm so thankful that you made such an informative and well-researched video to help me come to my senses - now i'm pretty firmly on the side that woojin is innocent and has been a victim of this situation. in a time where we preach 'mental health awareness', it's really sickening that people immediately sent him death threats and told him to k*ll himself without any evidence (also like you should never do that in the first place because it is honestly one of THE worst things you can do to a person) and i can't even imagine how much his mental health suffered during this time. also, the number of people still calling him ugly, spreading plastic surgery rumours and being cruel towards his looks is disgusting. the double standards that plague kpop twt are just ugh.
Your last point about the telephone game hit home. I have heard the most ridiculous things quoted about other scandals (“I heard that XYZ happened, how can you even defend that”), which actually completely contradicted the reason why people were supporting or criticizing idols, and I didn’t even know what to say in those moments. I mean, is that damage that can even be fixed? If you, with all your faculties about you, have decided to trust something you heard online without fact-checking and have already decided to hate someone, is there any amount of reasoning that can change your mind anymore? It’s heartbreaking to see because the people who truly get hurt by this, at the end of the day, are the people we’re believing lies about. We walk away unscathed, and someone’s life is ruined on the other side of the world, all because we didn’t pay attention to the lessons we learned from playing the telephone game in kindergarten.
Let's talk about the topic that I was thinking about a lot. I've been 'following this topic now since last year. I've seen fans rip out or cut out Woojin out of their photo album. I wasn't a fan, so I didn't even really look into the situation. So I thought everything is confirmed, but it still left me uneasy. It seemed all too much. I think I even once saw a clip of Woojin 'bullying' Felix, and from an outsiders perspective, everything seems very real what 'fans' tried to make you believe. But it all seemed so weird to me because... You're telling me, there are nine people in the group, one was bullying all thw other eight member's. Dude, I would bully him out of the group. They could very much stand against him if he was bullying the entire group. C'mon. He ain't The Rock. People have nothing to really fear. And I want to remind you, I ,personally, think Stray Kids would stand up for one another if one member would be bullied. But it was tge entire group. So they didn't have to lose anything either ways
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I'm glad that you also want to be here for people. You're a really good person and I hope your open wars and advice will help all those who comes to you 😊
To be fair I.N has a brother ranking list and Woojin would be at the top most time... He showed it on weekly idol before...
@@yanyanchan0624 But they seem to just ignore that
@@LovelyKissess i know... Like I.N not a fan of skinship... Even now I.N would tell Seungmin to go away when he try to hug him... People should stop living in the pass...
i'm so sorry but i don't think he's innocent.
there is still some truth in him being abbusive.
why i think this, is because of the way jype reacted and the fact that he left while they were having a comeback and shooting mvs. it was too sudden.
woojin was erased from thumbnails, his instagram posts were deleted, the way stray kids is behaving after he left is not how other bands are after a member leaves.perfect example: one direction, and re arranging songs and an album (skz2020) by replacing his parts.
the proof stated in your videos is only based of from what the fans said about him, the fake victims and what we think the band itself has done.
i'm really sorry but nothing you said cleared any of this.
"He made I.N. uncomfortable, I.N. was scared of him..." Mean while, Hyunjin literally flinching if Lee Know raises his hand.
And in hugging on him, holding his hand and calling him his favorite hyung
@@LovelyKissess yes. In one live I.N was going to make lego and he said he invited Woojin for help him. If he was offended by Woojin why would he invite him among all other members??
THIS!!! OMG I'm glad someone pointed this out ffs. Idk what's up with Minho and Hyunjin (I hope it's just platonic teasing and such) but WHY THE HECK SOMEONE HASN'T POINTED THIS OUT?? Like he literally FLINCHES....The hypocrisy is REAL smh
@@larikaa Exactly. But they ignore that stuff
Han had thrown a wallet at Seungmin once and no one gave a damn as big as towards Woojin about it
For the bullying allegations, Bro, Felix would have KNOCKED him out with his Taekwondo training. Chan would have NEVER allowed it to happen. You really think he'd let Woojin hurt IN and Minho? NO.
As for that game, everyone was enjoying it but after this situation, people twisted it out of context.
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@@brown_skin_lover_queen5790 Thank you 😍
@@brown_skin_lover_queen5790 Another fact, the dude has a BLACK BELT IN TAEKWONDO. A BLACK BELT. And he even stood up to a bully in school.
So, what makes you think he wouldn't have stood up to Woojin? Especially when there were no cameras?
@@priyanshasharma3599 wht r u talking about
@@brown_skin_lover_queen5790 I'm talking about Felix. He would have stood up to Woojin if he was being bullied.
I heard "IN turned 25" instead of IM and I was like 👁️👄👁️ when did that happen???
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Umm could u tell me who IM here is because I don't know who he is?
@@sleepykitty4846 He's a member is Monsta X
I encountered a comment which said that Woojin is selfish for leaving the group because "he wants to have all the spotlight on himself." My immediate reaction is: what spotlight, bestie? Back when I didn't know about Skz that much, I only knew Chan, Hyunjin, Changbin, Han, and Felix. I had never even heard of Minho, Seungmin, and Jeongin. Let alone Woojin. I could see that person's point if Woojin were a popular member, because if he were, his departure would take away a huge amount of fans with him. But, no. He was one of the least popular members. When he debuts, his views barely get 1M in less than a month even though he was from a JYPE boy group.
Many people want their faves to go solo and leave their current groups when they think their faves are mistreated. So why can't the exact condition get applied to Woojin too? I don't know whether JYPE did mistreat him or not, but seeing Woojin seems much happier now even if his career seems to start from the bottom again, you can see that he is in a much HEALTHIER working environment now. Why would that be bad?
Another comment said it's shady that he left Skz. But if you pay attention to the kind of music he releases, and the songs he covers on his channel, you'll see that his musical genre is DIFFERENT with Skz. All idols, first and foremost, are artists. They definitely have a vision of what their art would become. The rest of the members felt like Skz's current sound fit their vision, therefore they stay. Woojin decided he wanted a different vision and probably knew that the other eight could still thrive without him. So there's nothing to lose, just a bit of sad times (especially from the Skz party) because they cannot work together anymore.
Something as simple as going separate ways when you can't work it out anymore shouldn't be made as complex as this Woojin's situation 😔
My theory based on the available information, is that JYP Entertainment broke one or more promises to WooJin. This would give WooJin legal rights to ending his contract. Also, a reason JYP Entertainment said to support WooJin. They theoretically knew they did him wrong. Possibly they promised a Solo single or Solo mini album and decided to pass on it. By this time All the Skz members were singing much better than before, so JYP Entertainment knew they could do without WooJin. Just my theory, but I feel it ✔️ checks all the boxes. Remember that an idea that hasn't been proven or disproven.🐻💙
woojin was mistreated by jype i think i remember reading about how he was starved by iype
It is very exhausting. I'm getting to the point where I'm done explaining this as well. They'll never listen. Even if Straykids themselves said HE NEVER BULLIED THEM, people will still scream "it's my opinion and I believe he bullied and hurt them"
They would probably blame the company if that happened, saying they were forced to talk about it, since there already are enough “evidence”
Exactly, people's feelings are used as their logical arguments 🙃
I just wanna point out that if someone says that someone else is bully other people when they are not is NOT an opinion. It's just a LIE. It would be the same as if you told people you were dating your crush when you weren't and when people confronted you about it you said it's your opinion. Like no, that makes no sense. I can't with these people who keep lying to themselves and other people. There was one girl who I was friends with irl and she was convinced he had done all the things people were saying he did. So I was trying to be polite about it and be like "Well I don't think there is any real evidence right now, lets just keep each other updated with what's happening." Then she was just talking about all the "lies" I have told her and was coming at me for things I had never done. I was like "Woah, when did this get personal?" Let's just say that we don't talk anymore. I just wish everyone would be logical and think about the things they are saying.
@@deedlebeetles I was also thinking about that but I guess it’s an opinion to believe in something? It doesn’t make anything a fact though so it’s a dumb argument no matter what
@@69raisinswhy You are probably right. But it still doesn't make sense to me at all lol.
Woojin haters be like :
- Woojin is so violent with Hyunjin he's a bully.
- Bang Chan is so violent with Woojin he's trying to protect the members.
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The fact that a lot of people are just saying “I trust SKZ, Felix said #8” is so extremely scary. Like Felix could say anything these people will believe it because he’s cute.
Ikr and Felix wasn't even saying Woojin was bad, like he just meant "please keep supporting us as 8" like ???
@@spring7643 Again, people twisting this out of context. Initially Felix gets hate for it and now people are rooting for this? What the hell?
He probably just said that because he was sick of stays constantly saying "9 or none", completely disrespecting the agreement SKZ and Woojin came to. Basically saying, "We're 8 now, accept it and move on".
Sad but true
I got into an argument with another stay about this. I literally told her that Felix always had that hashtag and just wanted us to support them and not leave them
If he was blacklisted, why is he on vlive???
Right
About damn time someone said it 👀👌
And he even can make a fanmeet some more
Vlive is a live video streaming service, you basically can't be Blacklisted. Blacklisted meant that the companies that control the mainstream media, and all turn their back on you, just like Jessica that was in Girls Generation and she was wiped out from any TV show and music event and badly the mainstream industry, but she continues to work and did make some appearances on an independent platform or independent event... so fan greats he can be in because he makes them, he rents the space and all.
So he can collaborate on the internet or use his Chanel to go on VLive. But he never appeared on any show with a large audience on TV ever... it's how BTS has pushed aside for 3 years when they debuted and almost no one in Korea knew of them...
They basically buried the artists' careers.
@@shamkand No, the point of them saying that was because he, nor his company, would have a VLive channel if he wasn't able to be an artist. Because only official artists and their companies can start a VLive channel, otherwise every fan would be able to make a channel too 😂 Now, given, "blacklisted" may not have been the best topic for this person to make their comment under, but I think this is where they were going with it. I hope this makes a little more sense 👋
If Woojin had been Felix or Hyunjin, and they said those exact words in a statement, those same people hating in Woojin would understand that the translation was bad and they'll read every post explaining what they really meant
Or if he was in the "cute" or "handsome" category let's not forget my boy already had petintions before debuting already trying to get him out
👏👏👏
@@mariii6021 ikr!!!
@@spring7643 skz and woojin deserve better
@@mariii6021 true 👏👏👏
We love a RUclipsr who does follow-ups ✨
I'm still angry at a point when ppl keep saying thus shit like "Stray Kids and Woojin are not friends anymore" and I was like, How do you know? Who told you? Who supposed to prove that. Then tikToKers uploaded a part of Everglow Up's video about How Woojin Bullied SKZ, especially the Monsta X Wonho thing. Then they give dumb opinions saying that "Monsta X and Wonho still be friends but Stray Kids and Woojin are not friend anymore". I was really disappointed and angry knowing this.
They act as if they know that. It's not like idols and past members can publicly be friends
@Amy Lee exactly. They still want to overrule the Law, they also keep saying this is my opinion and this is frustrating me when they don't even know the basis of how things are debunked.
@@LovelyKissess exactly. They act like they know everything but when they were hold accountable fir things that are clearly wrong, they get angry. In other words, miss me with that bs.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the members were seen wearing woojins items after he left, and Chan's mother was even following woojin, if they were on bad terms I don't think they would wear his shit and have their mothers follow him
Happy Valentine's day. Dating is overrated 😂
Period!! 😂
8:10 I really want to be Lily. This video helps us better understand our girls: ruclips.net/video/6FSF_frNyok/видео.html
I always had a feeling that of course chan or the rest of the boys dont have to disclose what happened for him to leave but i just feel like, if Chan can risk himself spoiling a song before a comeback (which is strictly advised not to do in the company) he said that "if it's for stay then i dont care" because felix was afraid of getting in trouble and chan said "I have nothing to lose". And if Chan didnt HAVE to tell us that hissong was not about Woojin. He could have let us believed it was about him without saying anything but it bothered him to the point where he had to tell us it was not about him. If he has that energy i would wish for him to say something about it. Maybe not exactly reveal what happened but to maybe just tell us that this rumor of them being bullied isnt true. Or to just stand his ground about how horrible his fans are treating other people. They are literally victimizing them making them seem like weaklinks just to justify their "opinion" and that's not right. Plus the fans knkw they cannot speak about it and they are taking advantage of it. I kniw he doesnt have to do this but it would be nice for CHan to step his foot and talk to fans about sonething so his fans can sitdown for once. Thays if they are even fans, I quoted someone's tweet that someone said something negative about woojin. I said "what if chan tells us one day that he didnt bully them, then what? Are you gonna go against chan now?" And someone called woojin a r*p*st and proceeded to say that Yes they will go against him. Like what? Go against him for clearing things up? What the hell is wrong with his fans?? They say "Oh we listen to chan he is trustworthy" but ignore all the hints and his teachings about being respectful once he turns off that vlive camera.
The bullying allegations were false as the staff was fake. But aren't lot of jyp artists allowed to spoil? I mean, Got7 would spoil so often. Even Twice are spoiler queens.
I'm sorry but there is also the matter of a lawsuit which that may be the reason why they haven't said anything?????
To be honest, I think he’s not saying anything because 1. He probably just wants to move on, he has for a while, and 2. His priority is stray kids and their careers, he doesn’t want to get involved in a scandal.. stray kids have quite enough scandals of their own scandals to deal with😭. But it’s frustrating how stays take the part where he said woojin “betrayed them” and run with that and use it as an excuse to hate on him, but completely disregard the fact that it clearly bothered him when stays were hating on woojin to the point that he actually had to tell us to stop hating on him despite him leaving the groups months prior. I’m sick of stays acting like they’re protecting stray kids by hating on him, because if they actually cared about them, they would listen to what chan says.
i'm glad someone else addressed this. i love chan, i really do, but the utter lack of support back then really frustrated me. purely because a LOT of stays were convinced of the rumors PURELY BECAUSE CHAN DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING! chan's always been outspoken on toxic behaviour by stays, but somehow in the worst of it he didn't say anything? he never clarified that no one was bullied, no one was mistreated, nothing?
and if he was trying to move on, how on earth could he not see that his earlier vlive was going to be taken out of context? it's really ironic that he was talking about "making sure not to hurt those around you" and "thinking of your actions" and that "your actions have consequences" WHEN THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENED. he's an IDOL, with a FOLLOWING, and he knows better than to speak in riddles where people can interpret it however they want. he should know better than to spread misinformation like that, especially when he could see his blunder putting fuel to the fire.
seriously. i love chan to death, he's a total sweetheart and a caring man, but this really ticked me off.
@prxncess xo what the person did anything about the braids? only they mentioned scandals with is pretty vague, and idk in kpop apparently you can’t just defend your band mate. Which just creates issues
if he really try to bully 8 grown man then he brave for that
5:44 just wanted to add a little to this, I'm a stay who entered in God's menu era and found about Woojin's situation deciding to stay neutral. Now I was pretty curious because there isn't a lot of him. In Stray kids videos released before his departure I always see how he gets little screen time compared to the other members, he also didn't talk much (or he is simply shy, or someone/something is impeding him to do so, maybe he was scared he'll say something the company didn't wanted him to?
Anyways this is just what I've personally seen and is very subjective I guess
9:38 the same thing I tell to stays that support Hyunjin with his current problematic but won't hesitate to hate on Woojin, I've read comments saying "he's too cute to have done that" like-
(Btw no hate on Hyunjin, I love him too just calling stays with double morality)
e x a c t l y
The fact this channel and these videos are the ONLY proof that Woojin is more likely innocent is sickening
Thank you so much for making these videos it made my skz and many others (I assume) more comfortable and understanding with the Woojin situation
You DEFINITELY deserve more recognition
Someone told me that he should have never provided an alibi saying he was busy with solo activities and should have said something else. But was he supposed to lie? Training is a job for idols and they train more than they see their family so him saying that was exactly what he should have said because if they provided a date and time, he could have easily proven that alibi true with cctv footage or other recorded videos
When I discovered Stray Kids I didn't know that Woojin has left the group. He was one of the first members I've recognized while I was listening to their early stuff on Spotify (the other one was Felix because, you know, he has that D E E P V O I C E) because of his voice. When I've found out about his departure I was a little sad at first, but then I thought "Well, maybe he's doing a solo career, just like Wonho" and I've done my research about it. I'm glad that now he's doing well and has many fans that support him and recognize his talent like me. Unfortunately, I've also found out what STAYs have done to him in 2020 (from the bullying accusations to the SA scandal) and that pissed me off. I still can't understand why a fanbase can be like this towards someone who didn't do anything to them.
But what made me angrier is what I've found out in the Italian fandom. Recently I've found a RUclips channel that is making Italian subs for Stray Kids' videos. They're subbing the first season of Two Kids Room at the moment and everytime they put an episode where Woojin is in it, they censor his name in the title, don't put his face in the thumbnail and they put a disclaimer at the beginning like "This is a three-year-old video where Woojin was a member of the group. If you're feeling uncomfortable, please don't watch this video". At least they have the decency to not blur his face, but seriously, it's like they're trying to erase him from the group's past or something.
Now, I still support Stray Kids, STAYs with toxic behaviour will never stop me from doing that, but I'll try to stay away from the fandom as much as possible. I don't want to meet people on the internet that will mock me because I also support Woojin. If they still believe that he's a terrible person even after everything was debunked then it's their problem, not mine.
This just proves that without complete context, people go out of their way to make sense of anything just to satisfy themselves. I understand that not knowing the full story can be very frustrating, but people really need to put boundaries between themselves and their idols because it's unhealthy. It also shows how narrow minded a lot of people are.
Thank you so much for making this video, I feel much more educated regarding the situation.
Today I saw a video of a girl talking about woojin, and a comment was saying bad things about him calling him trash and things like that, and when I went to defend him, I received bad comments calling me bad things😊. Sorry for my english is not my first language.
@@maluviana8188 I'm sorry you had to deal with such people. He really doesn't deserve all the hate. 🙁
By the way, your English is good!
I always thought people over reacted about woojin, bluring his face out of videos as if he is a serial killer. He could be guilty but as long as there is not a single strand of proof he might as well be innocent. Accusing innocent people of terrible things is just as bad as not believing victims, that is why there needs to be proof before we can either say he is a terrible person or the victims are lying. Right now we need to be unbiased and objective and not make rushed conclusions, maybe there will be more evidence in the future for/about either parties. But the "proof" available now isn't proof it's just a he said she said thing, and shaming/bullying Woojin isn't ok either if you don't know he is guilty, and you just assume he is.
Your first sentence really is true. I dont know why but i really get mad or irked whenever a youtuber blurs woojin's face in their videos. I know its about "Personal Decision" but its like you're erasing the fact that he was a part of that group and that he did something really bad for his name to be forgotten "4ever"
From what I know when any idol leaves a group companies usually blur his/her/their faces.. so people wouldn’t get confused during newer videos if that makes sense.. I think fans are doing the same at least from what I think it is.. but you never know what a persons intention is..
@@-.-9762 Oh I had no idea about that, tanks for letting me know. And indeed maybe that's the reason why fans are doing it.
I'm a little conflicted regarding the face blurring thing since I know companies would do that when someone leaves a group under them. Like I can understand if they do it to avoid conflict, especially between or from their fans, but it's straight up denial that I don't like.
@@reinburhythm3215 I totally agree with you. Blurring his face isn't going to make us forget he was part of the group, and its a bit much imo.
Without even really knowing Woojin since I've become a Stay just a few months ago (and still... Girl... just because you are a fan you do NOT know your idols...) he gives me the vibe of a person who thought a lot about leaving JYPE AND StrayKids. I'm sure he and Chan and all the members sat together for some time and talked about it and he explained to them why he wants to leave and they accepted it.
I think of him as that kind of person and if he wants to tell us the reasons he will tell us. But he doesn't have to. We are not the members of StrayKids, we are not his family, not his friends. We are his fans and it is his choice, who to tell people.
It is a huge step to leave an agency as big as JYPE and a group. I'm sure he knew that his leaving will have some kind of bad taste to it and people will hate him or the group for it. He knows the industry he is working in. Because of that I think he thought long about it and talked to different people. At least that is what I would do. Talk to people and get their opinion.
And as I already said, I think he talked to the members about it and I believe they support him.
I hope you understand my rambling... Sorry ^^"
You POPPED OFF with the analysis ! This was really great.
OMG that ot9 moment was so cute.
“This man doesn’t know how to speak English” idk why, but the way in which you said that had me rotf 😂❤️
Like seriously, most idols aren’t fluent in English. That’s why they have designated members who’re bilingual so that the other members don’t need to worry about not knowing the language. So yeah, there’s no way that Woojin had a full conversation in English with a stranger.
I’m so happy that Woojin has moved on to bigger and better things and hasn’t let a bunch of 14 year old internet trolls with too much time on their hands, bully him 😤! I’m also happy to hear that his company backs him 100%🥰🙏🏼! He is so incredibly talented and I look forward to enjoying his future work 🥰🤩🙏🏼!
Believe me. Bitches on Twitter in their 20s act like that towards woojin aswell. Even a women in their 40s 🤦♂️
08:13 OMG THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEBODY SAID IT!!!!! I always thought ''if that stuff Woojin did to the members is bulling, then what the hell is Lee Know doing???''
I feel like Woojin has the right to not respond to anything or explain his self to something that isnt true. He has the right to ignore a rumor and things that he doesn't want to talk about or answer. The fact that people think that Woojin or any artist in general has to explain themselves just to prove that they didnt do something even tho they know they didnt do it and know that the "evidence" that people put out on the internet is fake is stupid. Theres nothing but drama in the world and its the only thing that keeps people are interested in is disgusting and fake🙄
EXACTLY!!!!!!!! Stays who never liked woojin were just waiting for something to hate on him. They were all quick to jump on the bandwagon just to get some attention, they all know that woojin isn't a bad person but they just want attention.
Not wishing bad for anyone but I hope whoever started this gets hit with a double dose of KARMA for causing someone innocent and kind hearted so much pain and sadness. No matter what all thoes haters and clowns say I will forever love and support woobear🐻🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍
I think Changkyun's situation was handled in a civil way, monbebe took care of it emailing starship to remove the pics and muslimbebe educated Chang about it instead of criticising him, of course like all things it got out of hands
And that is why I love our fandom. We are so responsible and progressive, instead of being judgy and noisy 😍
If stays say that Woojin hides the fact that he knew English, I won't be surprised. Cause they just want a reason, a reason to hate Woojin that's all
Any reason at all
Why does this video somehow make me feel educated
*For people who came straight to the comments without watching*
Reasons why people have hated on Woojin and why they aren’t valid
First accusations: *proven false*
*More info:* Mochi: an important Woojin controversy update ruclips.net/video/ZAw0aeAb9MQ/видео.html
Fake company: *10x is on record as a legitimate company in Korea*
*More info:* DKDKTV: Woojin controversy explained with official documents ruclips.net/video/Z_gLI1pUjXk/видео.html
First response: *mistranslated*
*More info:* Mochi: Woojin’s statement was actually mistranslated ruclips.net/video/dk-Z90vuX30/видео.html
Bullying: *clearly edited/cut videos that don’t show the full story*
*More info:* The EverGlow-up: How Woojin “bullied” Stray Kids ruclips.net/video/6fp0s9zjXdo/видео.html
*If you want more of an overview on everything*
The EverGlow-up: How Kim Woojin became the “villain” of kpop ruclips.net/video/X7S15psfGdY/видео.html
The EverGlow-up: How Woojin became the “villain” of kpop pt 2 ruclips.net/video/ld2zF7QJ07o/видео.html
I’ve seen a lot of people say that in Woojin’s response he said something like “I wasn’t at the place they claimed I was” so everyone was like “the person never even stated where they were so how could he know he wasn’t there?”...bruh, how do people not realize that he would’ve said that because he doesn’t have to know where it was in order to say he wasn’t there. He never did the things the person was accusing him of...SO OBVIOUSLY HE WASNT THERE
EXACTLY. And if he doesn't go to bars, he can still say he wasn't there because he know he wasn't there. Plus the second accuser named a date and place
And also shitty kpop stans r still saying woojail woojail yeah he needs to die or go to jail. And most of them have pictures of hyunjin? He was accused of bullying girls and people were supporting him... but when woojin was accused of bullying skz and sexually assaulting women the stays BELIEVED these fake rumors. On tiktok I go “and u have a picture of hyunjin” and they go “EXusE mE” and they believe the woojin rumors. Basically I just called them out for being hypocrites. 😂
@@captainicecookie1665 Glad you called them out. Some people be scared
@@captainicecookie1665 as you should **hands you a crown 👑**
Thank you for making these informative videos... I hope this bandwagon of hate will stop in the future, I really never ever seen someone being slandered that much without even proof...
People just believing what others are saying without a base is pretty sad. I never believed the rumors from the beginning because they were shady and also I've been stanning Woojin since predebut and okay we don't know much about idols, but still you could see that they were heavly monitored during fansings and also you could tell how much Skz loved each others! But anyway, keep it up with the good work!
If you plan on doing podcasts also, I'll listen to them because I love your voice and your way of explaining things!
Thank you so much❤
I am grateful that you love my videos 😍
@@everglowup also you stan everglow so... taste 💖👀
ikr I've actually seen people say a bunch of rumors as if they're facts and then at the end of their list of accusations mention that this is just stuff they've heard around and have no idea if it's true ;-; like wtf when did gossiping become okay-
@@azpizzazz3442 I know, it's really unsettling... But that shows how people are ignorant and want to stay ignorant, without informing themselves!
the woojin being aggressive thing is just normal most of us guys would throw a rock at eachother and hurt eachother and one of us would hysterically laugh to death or if one of us scrape our elbow or knee most of us would laugh or chuckle
Honestly this is the first time I even saw the "reasons" as to why Woojin was bad. I got into Stray Kids since last year so pretty recently, and I knew about Woojin but I only knew that he left and that nobody wanted to talk about him and people hated him. That's it. I asked multiple people and tried to do research and figure it out but none of it made sense. The first legitimate answer I got was because he was bullied out of the group by fans because he was "gay" for Chan...that's the reason I was told. Obviously I didn't believe that but its just insane to now finally know the reasons and know how dumb it all was. I've only been a fan for a short period of time but now I barely go into the fandom because even now its extremely toxic. Woojin is still extremely talented and I'm so proud of him.
All i know is Toxic Stays and Mnet arr bestfriends! When it comes to evil editing they are both best at it!
I wish that this video debunking the rumors were as widespread as the allegations against him. It's not fair that bad news spreads so much more quickly than good news and rumors spread like wildfire while facts go unnoticed.
She did debunked those rumors
She have three parts
ruclips.net/video/6fp0s9zjXdo/видео.html
Woojin didn't bully
ruclips.net/video/X7S15psfGdY/видео.html
@@woojincubs2058 What I was trying to say was that I appreciate that these videos actually work to clear his name. I wish these videos were as widespread as all the content listing baseless allegations against him.
@@woojincubs2058 Thanks for the recommendations!
@@woojincubs2058 i can't seem to find the vid she made abt the bullying accusations, did she delete it or smth? i wanted to watch it again but it's not there.
im pretty sure Woojin clarified that he left to pursue his dream of being a solo artist
The thing people fail to realize, is an opinion is just a feeling not a fact. And you can't have an opinion that the truth is false Because that's what you want it to be
i also don't like it when ppl say: "omg don't touch me stfu it's my opinion, i can say what i want."
freedom of speech is NOT freedom of consequences. ppl can talk shit as long as they can deal with being called out for their shitty behaviour ugh they themselves preach "actions have consequences" but start crying when you start a serious conversation with them
Or you can have an opinion to spin things however way you want to fit your narrative whether it’s woojin haters or woojin defenders people like to spin things to fit what narrative they want on the internet and present it as facts as if they actually know these people when it just based on what has been publicly presented to us
@@lovelydiva06 Reasons why everyone should have just left it alone and minded their own business
I have never gotten into Stray Kidz, since their “noisy” music is very overbearing to me. The one time i watched their cover of Fancy by TWICE, Woojin was the only one that caught my attention. Now that Woojin is outta the group and being notoriously bullied and mentally abused by his former fandom, I say there goes my last chance of getting into Stray Kidz’ music and they only got their toxic fandom to blame.
Well,they do have non-noisy songs.
(I can recommend some if you'd like.)
Since you don't like noisy music,you should probably listen to Woojin's songs(if you haven't,that is).
ohhh yes
@@sheetalthapamagar2023 yeah, I like his songs, in my pace and still dream.
The bullying thing never made sense to me, even if he was bullying the members do stays really think Chan, Changbin, and Minho would sit by and let that happen? Chan loves Straykids more than anything I highly doubt he would let one of the members abuse another. I called people out for this for so long and they still claimed from the "videos." like dude they know they're being filmed do you really think he would bully someone on camera and even off-camera? There are previous videos of SKZ showing affection to Woojin that debunk the "bullying" videos. Seriously why can't Stay grow up?
That's my thing.... Chan is so protective and he takes his role as a leader seriously, and the fact they they think he and the others would just WATCH is dumb!
And it's funny how they call Straykids looking at Woojin a certain way, bullying on Woojins end. But with Somin, she's the bully for looking at Hyunjoo like that,so is Jimin. So why isn't Straykids? They can't grow up because they're too young and have years left to do so. Plus ignorance likes to travel in large numbers
I wanted to talk about something but I can’t remember if it’s true or not but please correct me. So you know how Chan has been under JYP for the longest out of most of the members? Well in their pre-debut survival program that they did, didn’t JYP himself say that Chan was the one who hand-picked the members of Stray Kids when they were trainees to form the group? Because my theory is that if this was the case, if the members of Stray Kids REALLY had a problem with Woojin, bullying or otherwise, wouldn’t Chan have said something before the reality show was made? Because Woojin wouldn’t be on the show if that was the case. He would have left the company a long long time ago. This was just something that came across my mind and was something I thought about recently. But I could be wrong though so I don’t want to spread misinformation. I would have to go back and watch the episodes again to make sure.
@@reveluvharu0506 you are absolutely correct. Chan handpicked the members and there are videos that show them all getting along. Straykids were OT9 at one point and stays need to realize it and accept it instead of pretending it never happened
@@gokuwasthebesthokage9875 thank you for clearing this up. I also agree that we can’t pretend OT9 wasn’t a thing to begin with, especially because we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. We only know what JYP and the members themselves put out.
I’ve seen so many videos of SKZ as an OT9 and an OT8 group and... I don’t see any major differences between how they behaved with or without Woojin... It doesn’t look like him being around or not makes them any happier or not. Y’all know the saying “Boys will be boys”? This is what it means. It means that guys rough house with each other a lot. It doesn’t refer to a bunch of behaviors and mannerisms that it’s usually used to defend men. But in this context, it makes perfect sense. Woojin wasn’t mistreating the other members. That’s that.
Exactly
Exactly. He was basically saying Stays should know how to make a promise and keep it
In this case why would Chan come forward and say « my song isn’t about who you think it is so stop the hate » but nothing for that exact Vlive? Considering Woojin got way more hate after that than for the song?
@@hortense962 not sure but they aren't allowed to say some types of things under contract, I'm sure it's put a big stress on all of them including Woojin
@@hortense962 true but if he said to not hate on him for that then we probably shouldn't hate on him for the vlive aswell
I feel bad for Woojin. I rmb last year, some of the fans burn his picture and cancelled Woojin.
The thing that is the most ridiculous for me is the fact that as kpop stans and fans we've ALL dealt with bad translations/subtitles and weird phrasings that don't translate well. And just by hearing "weird rumor" and "absurd situation" I can immediately assume the original meaning was more along the lines off a polite form of saying "a strange/unknown (to the person aka woojin) event has taken place/controversy is making it's rounds" and it's "a situation that doesn't make sense to him" like in he doesn't see the validity in the "rumors". Come on guys we've dealt with worse translations and subtitles than this especially when it comes to polite speech, which statements usually are in.
I've been looking into chinese media recently (c-pop, dramas, manhuas, etc) and believe me the translations for some things are a lot worse and you see these weird phrasings all the time cuz somethings simply cannot be translated (especially when you have something as complex and metaphorical as the various chinese languages) let alone while retaining the original essence and you just have to base it off context and experience clues. The original translation for Woojin's statement looks to me like a poorly translated Manhua from first glance, it's obvious that stuff was lost in translation and you have to read between the lines and as a whole to get the context and jist of what is being said. You're bound to fail by analyzing a poor translation word by word instead of looking at the big picture.
I think this situation just reinforces two things more than anything.
1. We don't know these idols personally, and they are within their rights to have some sort of privacy in their lives. Sometimes personal reasons are "personal" for a reason, and we shouldn't force it out of these idols.
2. Don't take everything on the internet for face value. Not saying this applies to everybody, but people are capable of lying and the internet is no exception. Someone can falsely accuse somebody for something serious, people would believe it, drag the victim online, and the accuser is sitting back silently gawking at the situation. (Just described the situation in a nutshell)
I'm here for queen spitting facts!!😤😤😤
Hi! I totally, completely agree with what your saying. it's like completely ridiculous of the way people are acting. They just, refuse to accept the truth or at least try to find the truth. They just believe anything they hear or see, but it's about time we stop. It's about time we stop trying to convince others about the " Woojin Situation". Cuz all we doing is sitting here and wasting our breaths, its meaningless. If they refuse to accept the truth, just let them be. Until this point, I realize that They may never change their minds, and i'm ok with that, because all their doing is just sitting there looking like idiots, and so I say let them be one> we've tried to get them to understand and at least try to make them think about and understand what's going on before they "choose a side", but I guess they just won't listen or just won't come to their senses. To be honest, at first, i felt bad for those people who are getting "tricked", but now I think their the ones causing this on themselves, so if this is what they want, let them be. and no one can say we didn't try. We've been trying this whole time, but they just won't come to their senses so were done, were out, we'll let them be what wanna be. I forgot got to say that i'm so glad i'm not alone on this. Oh! also, woojin has improved so much on his english! when I heard him speaking english, I was like wow! and i started to feel sad cuz i feel like english is an easy language to learn now( but , its not when you think about it, but i feel like korean is harder) but anyways...yeah! he's improved a lot in english although, his pronunciation needs a lot of work so he isn't that good but he's at an level 2 in english, he's OK in english. Thanks to everyone who supports woojin, and hopefully in the future everything will get way better! #Woojin #WoojinSupporters #ThankYouForBeingASupportiveFriend
Thank you for making this! It’s tiring and exhausting to try to inform people about this when they just don’t want to believe or even hear anything defending him, he honestly deserves so much better and I hope many people support him
Mate you are so underrated!
I am gonna share this everywhere I can!
Hi I'm new to the fandom and I've see so many people hating on woojin. I'm also tired of these woojin haters. Thank you for this video. I wish people would stop hating in him.
what a great 2 parter - i just wanted to add that even if Chan was talking about Woojin in that vlive clip you showed, there is nothing wrong with two different perspectives, one being woojin and his personal reasons - the other being the members or even just Chans POV on WJ leaving
exactly! then, even if chan was completely right about woojin not acting good... people do mistakes. Maybe he had a fight with the guys and he didn't act good, but WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED and I'm sick of ppl pretending to. Even if he did some mistakes, we all do, that doesn't mean we deserve hate for it. Han did a mistake in the past, Hyunjin also (remembering about their "scandals") a lot of other Idols also but they are all forgiven expect woojin, it's so unfair. I hope he's okay rn
@@boh616 exactly people act like as if celebrities's beef is their own personal beef like stfu it's none of your business
you are like the
Joan of Arc of Kpop.. riding the crusade of reason against the psychopathy of the many trapped into the cult like way of thought...
Nice comparison 👍
Okay, I literally feel so honored omg 😍
@@everglowup you deserve it, not many are able to tell people "screw you" politely and respectfully 🤗
@@everglowup You are really capable of balancing mistakes with context. It's not like ' Oh, they're entirely in the wrong ' or ' Oh, their context exuses their actions'. You balance it out really well. I think you are very understanding and assertive about your points as well. You are able to see through the blind herd of Kpop fans and make rational conclusions. Something we really need in Kpop RUclipsrs who make videos about cases.
Not to mention, Woojin's new company have to know the reason he left JYPE. They wouldn't have stood by him or taken him on if he was kicked out of jype.
There's a reason I thank the idols saying "thank you for sharing so much of yourself". The word to be highlighted is "sharing". The fact is that they deserve their privacy, they have every right to choose the level of their sharing, and that level is up to them on individual instance basis. It is not mandatory for them to share everything and anything at same level of openness every time. Respect their privacy, don't read into things, and keep on open mind about things.
@Bluntarmy sometimes boredstay and to be strictly honest if none are talking its probably due to a NDA. If it is if any of the parties talk about it than that's a breach of that contract and a hefty fine. Just saying legally none maybe able to come forward even if they wanted to.
I really want to watch the older videos/music videos that have him in it, but I'm just scared to do it without looking in the comment sections. I just wanna enjoy watching those videos again.
The edited bullying videos were not believable or credible. They didn’t even look like he was bullying just goofing around like all of the other members were doing.
I completely agree with the facts in this video. Ever since I saw all these other youtube kpop videos that talk badly about Woojin and calling him a bully and other horrible names. I stayed neutral ever since these fake fans made those false rumors about him, it made me both sad for woojin being cyberbullied and angry that these quote on quote " fans" will not stop being so stubborn and arrogant about believing the lies made on poor woojin. I love all of the members of stray kids with all my heart, and seeing this video made me have hope that woojin will always stay strong and these liars will learn to back off. I've never been one to believe lies about my favorite idols cause those rumors are overly dramatic and sometimes these rumors are over the top to the point where it's straight up confusing.
"And hopefully all those people who hate Woojin will have this haunting them for the rest of their lives" PEAK SAVAGENESS, QUEEN 👌✨🔥 I will never see Back Door the same again, thank you 😂💙
Are talking about skz/back door?
@@susmagurung6856 Yes 😂😂😂 The choreo in Back Door that she'd screenshotted was similar to a picture that the group had taken when Woojin was still in the group, so she showed the comparison to "haunt" Woojin's haters 😂😂😂😂😂
So on a spiritual level, Back Door is OT9 and you know what, I see Back Door in a different level creepily and spiritually.
another fantastic vid!
just one thing, on the point of him just being able to walk away from jype if he was unhappy: contracts are, though not invincible, legally binding. one usually can't just up and leave if they want to, if that were the case we'd have way fewer cases of idol mistreatment. from what i understand what usually happens is that if an artist feels like the company has breached the contract they can sue to get out of it (like elkie of clc did) or there needs to be something legally or constitutionally wrong with the contract for it to be declared void (i think this is what happened with kris, luhan and tao) and it goes both ways a company can also sue its artists for breach of contract etc. the reason why i'm bringing this up is to point out that got7 didn't choose to endure their mistreatment, they legally had to. if jype's behavior was crappy but didn't technically violate their contract the best they could do was wait it out. there's also a lot more nuance to the got7 situation like how jype started off treating them well up until like 2017 then progressively started mismanaging them until everything just became unbearable in 2020 (in 2018, they had even expressed a desire to be like 2pm and stay with the company for 10+ years) but that's a discussion for another day.
so back to woojin, like i said all contracts are legally binding but contractual clauses are different depending on the company. my theory is that maybe woojin's personal reasons fell into a category that made it contractually permissible for him to leave without legal consequences e.g. family issues, health issues etc.
basically i agree with you. he wasn't kicked it out or blacklisted. he left jype on decent terms, with the company even wishing him well and encouraging fans to continue supporting him. also like you said his personal reasons are non of our business and fans need to understand their boundaries and stop acting so entitled 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
We stan Woojin
Here early w some coffee, ready to listen to my queen spilling tea.
And Vlive wouldn't have approved his channel or Naver would have never verified him
If he was blacklisted
MISTRANSLATION can really bring HELL to already messed up situation. Please educate yourself first😤
Y'all fake stays/saesangs need to get your story straight even if it's true(which it's not)cubs and real stays will stick with him.
-WE LOVE YOU WOO WOO BEAR 🐻🐻🐻
Han used the “N” word not to long ago but nobody checked him. Idgaf if he was young and uneducated, let that had been Woojin, everyone would’ve been down his throat. The Double Standards Chile. I love it, it proves how these “Stays” are so hypocritical. I wanna become a Stay, but this fandom is too much for me. If I see Chan or Felix get allegations and everyone defends, u prove my point. Thank you and have a nice day, be safe Woojin
trust me and stay away from this fandom (I am a former stay) the toxicity levels are at a whole new level. I still support the boys but I have absolutely NOTHING to do with their fandom
I just can’t with the double standard. I’m not saying Han deserves hate but we literally put all of that in a rug and ignored it. U Kpop fans are weird, no shade
@@nell366 ouch- don't group me with them I get what you mean tho- I did not even know HAN said the N-word till now....
@@rawtbith it was when he was 13. He had apologized in 2017 for the lyrics he wrote when he was a teenager. Although it was never specifically mentioned, jyp took it down as they didn't want people to search for it. It was recently brought up by a 3racha Anti and he apologized again for what he said.
han definitely received backlash and he still is, I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. but you’re still right, i’m also convinced that if it was another member who was accused, people wouldn’t have believed it so easily. a lot of people started to dislike woojin the moment he left the group.. some didn’t even like him when he was in it and I think this gave them an excuse to justify their hatred for him so they just blindly believed everything that went against him without proof.
not me searching up Everglow-Up on Spotify to see if it's a podcast 🤣🤣
#woojinisinnocent 😇
honestly, if you don't like someone or hate them just ignore them or leave them alone, why go out of your way to hate on someone.
I think this is just a case of putting this boy down because he's good. It's crab mentality.
I've been doing so much research on this and you're on to something. I have seen stray kids fans jump into Woojin's fan's videos of him singing to say Seungmin is better. Unprovoked. It just shows insecurity
The reason people considered it shady that Woojin could leave just like that is because these contracts are just that strict...there's a reason they're called slave contracts. This is also the reason why "GOT7 chose to sit through the mistreatment". Because they had nothing they could do! Its not like they can violate their contracts. What you could've pointed out however is the significant difference in treatment between idols of different generations. These contracts originally used to be for 11-14 years, but now they've been shortened to 7 years. Similarly the clauses have been made more beneficial for the idols. This gives idols a lot more freedom. Thus each generation is probably more freer than the one before (and probably more susceptible to cancel culture).
people are still blurring woojin's face in videos because it makes other people uncomfortable. Like if you don't want to see woojin's face just don't watch the video
The very first time I watch a video like that I went "what was the reason?" Because the only respond you gonna have is "ha I love the blurring/sticker" it takes all the attention from the video and it's a free pass to talk about it in the comment section. I unsubscribed to so many channel for that reason and because they were explicitly saying he was guilty.
@@yurineivilleromartinez1311 there are people that don't hate woojin but do this because they are scared of haters
@@ruoqifang and that's a pity
@@yurineivilleromartinez1311 it is
Ikr. I've been thanking youtubers who don't blur his face, and comments asking why they do so on videos where they do blur him.
It just doesn't make any sense. Woojin once was a part of SKZ, there is no reason as to why people try to remove him from their history. People don't blur former Exo members. What's the difference?
"I've never dated before" same girl. happy single ladies for life 🤟😻
There was a video of one of the skz members asking woojin to leave the table (I think to use the bathroom?) and people said, “it’s because of the bullying”. BUT… It’s just part of the korean culture. The younger ones would typically ask the oldest to excuse themselves. That’s just how Korean culture works! NOT and I repeat NOT BULLYING!
Plus wasn’t woojin kind of in the way because that member didn’t have nowhere to get out?
On the topic of people not understanding why Woojin left... I think it has to do w/ how kpop (the fans and/or company) really emphasizes how close the members are & how important their bond is. I guess seeing only 1 member leave like that, well these people take it as a betrayal of that bond. They're being really parasocial about it basically, getting offended on the other member's behalf.
I just can't picture Felix being intimidated by the bullying allegations come on Felix is a black belt in Taekwondo, he could beat anyone who dares and try to hurt him. And Woojin supposedly pushing and putting down other members is absurd I have seen videos and they all play a bit rough with each other it's nothing new. I'm a new stan and I'm glad I got this video in my RUclips feed to learn about.
Leave it to Google Translate to further worsen a situation 😂👌
Videos woojin makes the members uncomfortable.
Meanwhile
Hyunjin cuddling woo.
Felix cuddling woo and holding his hands.
Han cuddling woo and playfully trying to kiss him.
Chan holding hands with woo and hugging him.
Minho letting woo spin him around and looking so comfy in his arms.
Seungmin hugging woo and complementing him.
Changbin Hugging woo and holding his hand and making sure woo didn't hurt his head when chan and woo were playing the tag game.
jeongin back hugging woo and laying on him and clingy af with woo.
Another thing with these woojin haters is they run around praising the members for being rough and playful and touchy saying awe they love each other yet woojin does it and he's sexually and physically Abusing them?
Going back to 2kids room all the amazing and loving things han and felix and the others said to woojin and their still saying he bullied them and they were uncomfy with him.
Another thing that makes nooooo sense is that stay would know
That Bangchan wouldn't let anyone hurt the members.
Felix and Minho know martial arts.
Felix has a black belt in Taekwondo.
Minho did body guard training.
Hyunjin is taller then woo and way more masculine.
(he's not just a drama llama)
And they are surrounded by staff when woo is on camera
supposedly bullying the members.
Don't make much sense when you add these things up.
srsly ppl really need to get off internet and go out and literally eat soil at this point. Why is this so painful like whats not clicking????!!!!!
Yes sis!!! Thanks for making it clear to everyone. At least I can rest now because I have been trying to explain to some stays but all I got was hate for supporting him. I love stray kids but what most of their fandom did to him was really not nice at all that’s why I left the fandom so yeah. Thanks ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🥺
💜💜💜🐻
lazy pea thanks 🥺❤️❤️
@@julietemodi8843 💜💜💜
I agree that I.M. should have done his own research, but I feel that the hate should be aimed at whoever designed the shirt therefore giving people like I.M. the impression that the shirt was appropriate.
Your friend is a genius ! I will now go watch Back door to feel better because this shitshow is exhausting. You're truly the voice of reason during these trying times !
God, i love you for clearing everything up. Showed this to a stay who was believing that wooj was guilty and asked my opinion and once she saw this and 10x’s documentary and she said it was kinda obvious that wooj was innocent and that she’s glad that she didn’t embarrass herself on the internet. Guesss you saved her social life or sum she told ,e to comment a thank you from her
This needs more views
Gurl speaking fax as usual ☕✨
I love your style of telling the story. I love it.
Thank you for clarifying and making this video istg people are hating on him just because he did nothing and was PROVED this is so sad haters are really trash
I’ve said this one and I’ll say it again, I have been a stay since the survival show, and this entire “scandal” or whatever it was, was horrifying. I hate myself for this, but I have been slowly drifting from the fandom after this happened. I can never look at the fandom the same way as I see it becoming toxic, people digging up there personal lives, creating rumors from a 2 second clip. I miss the days when stays were a nice community, if this es days ever existed.
So chan never cleared what he was talking about in his vlive?? Atleast he could have said its not about woojin. Why give more spark to speculation?? Why give people gossip to talk about when you can't even be clea about it ??
I think all celebs should he smart enough to understand what they say have weight. Whether they like it or not. So they should be more clear of their thoughts and words. Actions have consequences. Yes he is allowed to openup to this fans but he should also see the consequences. The hurt it has caused to a 3rd party who wasn't even present there to justify themselves.
That's my problem with Chan. He still doesn't understand that his words have consequences because he has a huge fanbase.
@@villain__9right like that one time he was venting about people now bowing & that fandom said it was IVE
Exactly. That’s why I think because of his live, his words encouraged those group of Brazilian stays to start teaming up & creating the false SA allegations. One of them even confess that woojin didn’t do anything.
I disagree with what you said at the beginning, about IM.
During photoshoots, artists really have no time to look at the clothing. They get thrown a shirt their way, have to put it on quickly, get pictures taken, take it off and put on a different shirt. IM probably never even noticed the colour - let alone see that phrase in an unknown language and think it was more than a pattern. He really has no fault in this.
sorry to ask, but can someone explain to me what happened with IM?😅
@@sophiagenkinger8269 For a photoshoot, his stylist had him wear a shirt with a phrase in Arabic that Muslims use in prayer.
I absolutely agree that this was insensitive and should not have happened.
However, it isn't right that IM gets blamed for this. He has no say in what he wears and doesn't even get to take a good look at the clothing.
@@cilantroisbetterthanparsley Hi, Muslim here! It said Allah in Arabic, which is the Muslim word for God, so it wasn't really just some phrase we use for prayer. No hate on IM, just wanted to let you know!
@@azpizzazz3442 Oh that's my bad. I believed the articles without running it trough a translator myself. Thank you for correcting me!
although I don’t believe the bullying and sexual assault accusations, i do think the vlive was about woojin. I can’t think of anyone else it would be about. it does make sense for it to be about woojin. that doesn’t make him a terrible person though, idols get kicked out all the time for petty shit. I think maybe he made some small mistakes and instead of getting kicked out, they (jype & woojin) came to agreement and decided it was best for him to leave or something which is why jype’s statement was worded the way it was... just my opinion. chan wouldn’t have defended him if he did something terrible. kpop stans always have to make sure everything gets out of hand and blown out of proportion huh... so annoying. if something did happen, they didn’t tell us for a reason! y’all need to grow up and leave it at that instead of jumping through hoops trying to find reasons.
Yes I do agree with you. I think he said it because he was hurt and woojin was someone he can rely on so he was just upset and wanted to share it with stays but he also hadn't had an idea of his vlive backlashing like this.
@@kpoplover1717 yeah exactly... if they were being bullied and abused don’t you think they would be happy to have him gone? they were obviously upset and that’s probably why they felt ‘betrayed’. the hate he receives he is unnecessary, even if he did get kicked out - we don’t know what woojin was going through or what his reasons were for his departure... and they don’t have to tell us, that’s between them. they’re big boys they can fight their own battles. kpop fans and stays are really immature I’ve noticed
@@starrygrimes500 yes they are immature.
This kinda doesn't make any sense, like u said u cannot think of a possible other person he could be talking about, but like gurl are u him? They train for so long and have met so many people, and u assume u know everything thing about him? Also they are not even allowed to talk about people who have left so it's clearly not him.
@@via45 I would agree with you, but he said “stays know what’s I’m talking about” at the end, we wouldn’t know if it was a random trainee. I don’t blame anyone, it’s not hard to get kicked out of a kpop company. JYP’s kicked people out for going to bars, rumours, dating etc. before. so if that is what happened, like chan said, people make mistakes. It’s ok. the hate he received was NOT justified and I’m still mad at stays for what they did and continue to do him.
i feel so guilty that i hopped on the hate train towards woojin but watching your videos has made me really re-evaluate my views on the whole situation and i'm so thankful that you made such an informative and well-researched video to help me come to my senses - now i'm pretty firmly on the side that woojin is innocent and has been a victim of this situation. in a time where we preach 'mental health awareness', it's really sickening that people immediately sent him death threats and told him to k*ll himself without any evidence (also like you should never do that in the first place because it is honestly one of THE worst things you can do to a person) and i can't even imagine how much his mental health suffered during this time. also, the number of people still calling him ugly, spreading plastic surgery rumours and being cruel towards his looks is disgusting. the double standards that plague kpop twt are just ugh.
Your last point about the telephone game hit home. I have heard the most ridiculous things quoted about other scandals (“I heard that XYZ happened, how can you even defend that”), which actually completely contradicted the reason why people were supporting or criticizing idols, and I didn’t even know what to say in those moments. I mean, is that damage that can even be fixed? If you, with all your faculties about you, have decided to trust something you heard online without fact-checking and have already decided to hate someone, is there any amount of reasoning that can change your mind anymore? It’s heartbreaking to see because the people who truly get hurt by this, at the end of the day, are the people we’re believing lies about. We walk away unscathed, and someone’s life is ruined on the other side of the world, all because we didn’t pay attention to the lessons we learned from playing the telephone game in kindergarten.
EXACTLY. Thank you for the video. Let me go start sharing
People think having a gf as an idol is bad. Lol. Just because there's a dating ban doesn't mean dating made you a horrible person
Let's talk about the topic that I was thinking about a lot.
I've been 'following this topic now since last year. I've seen fans rip out or cut out Woojin out of their photo album. I wasn't a fan, so I didn't even really look into the situation. So I thought everything is confirmed, but it still left me uneasy.
It seemed all too much. I think I even once saw a clip of Woojin 'bullying' Felix, and from an outsiders perspective, everything seems very real what 'fans' tried to make you believe.
But it all seemed so weird to me because...
You're telling me, there are nine people in the group, one was bullying all thw other eight member's. Dude, I would bully him out of the group. They could very much stand against him if he was bullying the entire group. C'mon. He ain't The Rock. People have nothing to really fear. And I want to remind you, I ,personally, think Stray Kids would stand up for one another if one member would be bullied. But it was tge entire group. So they didn't have to lose anything either ways
Love that end photo. I'm reposting it 😁😁😁😂
Always spilling straight facts
KIM WOOJIN IS INNOCENT, END !