Just look at Luocha our "universal" healer, all he does well is heal which just isnt enough anymore, characters need to have a role in a team archetype. HuoHuo is good for her energy and atk buff in dot teams, aventurine has his FUA and his crit dmg buff in FUA teams. Yeah you could just get Luocha who works everywhere but he'll never be the best anywhere.
@@banned4287 There are definitely niche sustains aventurine is the FUA sustain HuoHuo is the dot sustain, Gallagher is the break sustain. They all have an archetype they excel in but that doesnt mean you cant run them in other teams, end of the day a sustains job is to sustain.
IMO the only 5-star already released sustain dedicated to a specific playstyle now is just aventurine luocha, huohuo, and fuxuan is still universal, not super universal but can use in many team
Robin is NOT niche??? That’s like calling RM niche someone like Sparkle (E0-E5) is legit restricted to crit based hyper carries that’s niche😭🙏 While robin can be used on DoT,FuA,Hypercarries legit any comp that isn’t break and that’s assuming you don’t run her with RM + Boothill because if that’s the case she sits right there just fine. How the **** is she niche
8:15 waited for you to finish this point because the game has glaring example of it already, Ruan Mei. Looking at in game data since her launch Break bars have begun to more than doubled in size (compared to before 1.6) to compensate for her existence, she has actively changed the enemy design around her. Her universality has permanently altered elites/boss design.
I hope they do more with Nihility character debuffs its crazy that Ruan Mei a Harmony character got the most interesting debuff with break recovery delay. They really don't want to bring much real debuffs into the game as it could impact enemy design even further. They even took away Jiaoqiu 30% effect hit rate reduction which wasn't even that big of a debuff. I hope the next Nihility unit will bring more meaningful debuffs other than just dmg increases or DOT.
@@kennethyoung7457 Openly outside of Acheron I don’t think they’ve done too bad. SW being a 1.1 units is pure debuff spam and a unique mechanic, Kafka/BS are DoT units which build on each other, Jiaoqiu is consistent debuffs which go near infinite which provides a solution to the issue of debuffs (needing to apply them first to every new enemy) as opposed to buffs already being on your unit. I don’t include Acheron as she is literally just an Erudition/Destruction chimera who due to lore is nihility. But Jiaoqiu’a old EHR debuff provided an avenue for alternative sustain as you could remove the worry of debuffs using Aventurine’s Eff res buff. It was something rather huge that just because it does not directly increase your dmg makes runs so much smoother. RM is just a tumor this game now has to live with. The devs have since designed every enemy to compensate for her 50% WBE buff. Nihility could be more interesting int rh future but this is their attempt to try to make a DoT/Debuffer and it failed epically if they wanted people to consider him as another option over RM/Robin in DoT teams. Dot is a unique problem to Nihility since to keep DoT players happy they’ll want(and need) constant support to prop up the archetype because it has so little support (compared to FuA/Break). I would say expect more in the future as another fire Nihility foxian is leake.
@@Antithesis_72 Yeah Nihility is really strong right now but the debuffs themselves which are suppose to be the core of the path have been really undercreative imo especially with how some supports and dps are getting things like weakness implant, def ignore, and dmg vulnerability debuffs which were suppose to be a speciality of Nihility. Only thing Nihility really have unique these days is strong DOT. I'm not unsatisfied with performance of Nihility overall though its still fun to play with how they all seem to work together. I will definitely want Tingyun as thats one of my favorite characters in the game if she turn out to be the Nihility unit. I plan on pulling Jiaoqiu as well.
I feel like a lot of people (or at least the vocal) don't seem to consider that what may be a niche character now, it allows for more characters in the future that'll be able to take advantage of the niche and make them more common or even break into the meta. Like break for instance. At the beginning of the game (in my experience) there wasn't a need to bother with the break stat as there wasn't a great set of characters to take advantage of it. But now, a year later, we're seeing a lot more characters that require break, or that allow other characters to utilize the break effect.
That’s exactly what happened with Topaz, back when she released, everybody said she was trash and not worth it, and then we got Ratio, Aventurine and Robin for her follow up team. Hoyoverse wouldn’t release characters that can’t be used anywhere, so we just need to have patience until their niche shines. Even Ruan Mei, who has always been good, also became infinitely better when break teams became a thing.
@@elijahjarobi Well, then people wouldn't have units like robin, topaz, or ruan mei. Let people get characters they enjoy, because there's always potential for them to become meta when a new dps or support comes out. Choosing characters that are only good in the now, means that you will get powercrept in the future. Look at Seele. Even if she can still technically be competitive, she was the most powerful for a while. When it comes to any supportive unit, it doesn't hurt to invest and build around them, even if they don't seem amazing at first.
Robin is as niche as RM. I'd say that someone like Sparkle is unironically more niche than her on sole fact that not many units truly care about her SP gimmick, her extra buffs are for quantum only, unless you go for E2S1 you are just getting somewhat premium Bronya at E0S0. Hence why she feels the most underwhelming out of every limited harmony on my account. Because I can shove RM and Robin in literally every team, and it just works. The big increase is instantly there compared to whatever I had previously instead of them. Sparkle? Not really. I barely see difference (sometimes even worse performance) compared to my E1S1 Bronya. Even when I borrow E2S1 Sparkle, it honestly doesn't look as crazy compared to (let us say) my E1S1 RM that I already have. I need to use a very specific units in which Sparkle can truly dominate. I don't regret Sparkle on sole account that I never skip limited harmonies (never will), but I would say that out of every limited harmony so far, her value is highly overblown, and she is only very strong in select few teams (that most might not even care to play), and even those teams, RM and Robin still feel better. Unless you hyper invest in your Sparkle, she will not be that big of an upgrade compared to Bronya on your account outside of comfier SP usage.
Actually even bronya at e0 is better because her buff is a universal 10% damage boast that works with new units like boothill AND unlike miss mid (sparkle) Bronya has a 100% action advance with a cleanse! I would actually go further and say hmc is better so let’s see. Hmc, bronya, robin & rusn mei > sparkle. She’s the worst out of all the 5*s, not just limited ones. Her kit like you mentioned was terribly thought out. She has 1-2 useless gimmicks for every unit at every moment in time.
@@littlebigeats7682 Pretty much. Until HSR starts introducing more hypercarry units who like SP gimmick, Sparkle is just your premium Bronya. If you want to own Sparkle because you like her, have enough jades to blow, like being comfy with your SP, want to use her with dedicated units that she excels for, or are like me that picks supports units because these are good to have just in case: Sure. Go for it. However, if you are someone who is considering her because of the overhype that she gets from most CCs... Nope. She is extremely overhyped in her value there I'm afraid. Unless it is E2S1 - she is just there compared to Bronya. There is also a reason for why these CCs who gas her up so much, are most likely the same ones that get E2S1. E0S0 or even E0S1 Sparkle isn't as crazy upgrade to Bronya as some would lead you to think.
@@littlebigeats7682 I mean, sparkle buffs the entire team's DMG%, and at E2 straight up puts better Quantum set on the team, so unless you're literally just playing hyper carry and funneling everything into 1 character, where no one else is dealing any kind of respectable damage like a Sub DPS Aventurine, she's not. Using Acheron's team as an example, E2 Sparkle + JQ is like a 70% DMG buff to the entire team that has a 100% up time, not including any buffs (35% Vul, 24% ignore Def, and either of his preferred LCs (Sig or incessant). They have the same ATK buff (55% translates to like 533 or something ATK for acheron and benefits JQ too) at that point and Sparkle offers more C.DMG. Bronya only has the edge in actual DMG% (by 18%) but if you're already using an elemental orb, it's diluted a bit as well. The less damage you have coming out of the rest of the team, the better Bronya becomes compared to sparkle. FUA and premium Acheron would prefer Sparkle over Bronya
Feixiao want Bronya E1S1 . Not Sparkle E0S1 . But you know what if you put them together in Hypercarry Blade . Blade will be stronger . Just put Lynx , Jade or Jingliu for 4th member . Is shame though since Apo Shadow want you to use dual carry . Maybe I should just get Sparkle LC for Bronya / Tingyun / Hanya .
@@littlebigeats7682remove Acheron's 2-Nihility requirement and Sparkle is fine. The devs sabotaging her by boxing her out of the top team in her niche isn't an inherent flaw in her kit. The devs can hard counter any character if they choose to.
Robin isn't actually niche, she is the best with fua, she is the best with dot, she works in hypercarry, I would say the only place she is not good at all is break, and we knew it all since her launch. I think the thing is just that the last 2 characters and the next 2 are really good with her.
robin isn't niche she's a slightly different ruan mei equivalent that happens to have a follow up attack gimmick tacked on. She works well in a lot of teams but excels in fua teams because they can deal more instances of her extra physical damage and use her ~20% fua cd boost, plus recharge her ult faster but other characters that can take extra actions can also use her
I would say ruanmei is slightly better overall in all modes because rn robin is overpreforming due to that fact that the last 2 dps chars have been fua and both moc buffs benifit fua. The reason why ruanmei pulls ahead is apoc, she increases break eff by 50% making you legit do so much more damage because the boss has 50% vun when broken plus extra buffs and you recharge all ults. Adding on she also provides weakness extension which is often not needed but just a failsafe.
I like to relate star rail to my favourite games, card games. Imo in star rail you can have a favourite card/character, and then you build the deck around them. You cant chuck all the cards you like in a deck, they need synergy/a purpose. Say I like Topaz or Aventurine, I would like to build my team with FUAs in my mind, itwill be smoother to play. If I want to tackle a game mode with Topaz, like PF, I can make "tech changes" and remove say ratio and put a herta or himeko in to adapt my favourite character by using other synergistic chars to clear the content. We are this point where we cant chuck 4 op ppl in a team and say work. They need an engine (like a draw engine in card games), like topaz, robin, Harmony MC, which can run the deck, and a win condition (Ratio, Firefly, Acheron), with defense cards if you want (Aventurine, Gal) or go full aggro, but with the purpose that these characters, their LCs, and somtimes their relic sets perform sth for the team to bring forward the maximum out of my favourite character to win.
I would say Robin is a little too good to be niche. Other than that, I agree that having units that synergize for a particular archetype/mechanic is good for the game. Even if someone wanted to hypercarry, that's only one side and you still need another team for endgame. Now a player can decide what 2 types of teams they want and can go from there. Sidenote: If you're like me and enjoy having a LOT of different damage mechanic themed teams, pace yourself. Do 1 type of team at a time. Also, if you finish all of your damage mechanic themed teams, take time building your other characters too. May come in handy in the future
@avionu3122 Feixiao probably will fix it but maybe you just need better relic substats? (Ik relic stat grinding is hell but we gotta work with what we have)
15:20 you are not wrong tbh, Acheron came and fucked up the meta heavily that people like think jingliu and Imagine dragon are mid, because they dont crack 400k dmg (they do though just probably not in 1 number) FF and Boothill also dont help that if any dps unit coming after needs to be on par with FF or Boot because they are the new acceptable minimum (ratio was that even though he is a great unit), also call me crazy, FF and Boot out dps acheron at e0s0.
It should be stated that Firefly & Boothill are consistent which is why they deal more DPS than Acheron. She acts more as a DD (Damage Dealer) than an actual DPS. If ya'll play Fiesta Trickster... ya'll know.
Robin is not really niche. She’s kinda like Ruan Mei in which she is best in slot harmony unit for a specific team archetype (Ruan Mei for break and Robin for FUA) but flexible enough to be used in various teams, not just FUA.
@@Shoujo_o if she can work in every team then by definition she isn’t niche, she is the one best by far in fua and very competitive in all the other teams bar break team
I think people don't really get that the characters they think are "universal" aren't really universal. Ruan Mei and Robin are not really universal, they just happen to have the best numbers as of now, but the truth is that they both have a really clear niche that utilizes their kits as a whole, rm has break teams and robin has FUA teams. As said, as of now you can use them wherever because they are strong even if you don't use a certain part of their kit, but they get and will get outshined on comps that are not "meant" for them and even more when new mechanics get released, with probably will happen as it's been happening. Characters are and should be meant to be the BiS for a specific archetype or character and this doesn't mean they will be shit for others, maybe a character replaces rm on a certain team and the difference is just like a 5-10% and people would say the character is not worth it, but the point is that the character is just more synergistic with a certain comp. And also I feel like people fail to really see the potential of characters but rather they just focus on what they are right now. Silver wolf at a certain point was called shit, but now with AS and many new synergies and relics she is a top character in certain content and teams. Sparkle right now is labeled as bad and all it really takes for her to be on the level of robin or rm is for a dps character to be released that fully utilizes her kit, like a DHIL 2.0 with more damage, if a tier 0 really benefits from her then she will be strong again. The idea should be for characters to be BiS on their certain niche and a suitable choice on other and as the game progresses they will only be "needed" on their niche rather than everywhere as RM has been for a while (although we are reaching a point where you can have a good account without rm, whilst not ago if you didn't have her u were just screwed). I think this dynamic makes it so your teams feel more rewarding and it's the right choice by hoyo. So my advice to people, especially f2p, would be to pick the kind of archetype they like the most and pick the characters that are crucial for them rather than focusing on the meta of rn, because in a year probably the teams that are top of the meta right now will be tier 1 instead of t0 and it will keep on changing which archetype has the best teams, between FUA, break, DoT, hypercarry, duocarry, debuffs and wherever new archetype they develop they will keep on being top of the meta and then bumping down a little depending on the enemies they are releasing.
I feel like Genshin thrives off people wanting to have field time with their favorite characters (typically dps units) so you see more universal supports who can work with many dps characters (the way they play also matters 10x more than hsr where you just watch them), and your favorite supports can still be on any team just about. I feel like HSR in comparison is able to focus more on the team archetype and they could easily have fewer dps and have a lot more supportive types that work to make different team types even better and they don't have to consider as much with play style/feeling. They could just have 3 break oriented dps but make 9 supports for them that form their best teams because at the end of they day, you are just playing a break team and need different options to cover weaknesses or battle needs. (like needing aoe for some enemies or fights or needing a way to break a weakness/ignore a weakness)
Honestly I think Harmony is in trouble. The future seems to be hyper self buffing characters with ridiculous ignore everything passives. Only debuffs might survive as a support.
I 100% agree. I ivested into Nihility right after launch, i got my Sampo, Silverwolf, Pela, Luka, Kafka and later on Guinaifen, that's why i was very happy with Acheronsnkit design, i'll go for Jq and Blackswan as well. Dot may no longer be the best but it is easy to bild since you don't need rare crit /crit dmg stats at all, only atk% and a bit effecthit and you are fine. I really want to see a physicall preservation or abundance that deals bleed damage and converts it into healing or shield. My guess is that the Obsidian Stoneheart IPC Vampire lady is going to be Physical Abundance with bleed dot that leeches hp, would fit perfectly well into Acheron/DoT and would fit the Vampire character 100%.
I actually like Acheron teams the most. You can rotate the other two nihility characters depending on what you need. I use SW, Pela, BS, Welt, Guinaifen and even Kafka or Luca sometimes. She does crazy damage either way and you can play it a little different depending on the team. I found it to be pretty fun, so I don’t get why people complain so much. The only thing I needed was a healer that worked better than Gallager or Fu Xuan with the LC that causes debuffs. But I won’t pull for the fox guy even if he is the best in slot because I’m not a fan.
The Neuvillette issue has to do with regulations in China. You generally can't make a character weaker in a gacha game because, yeah, people paid money for it. Its a rugpull basically. A lot of games did this as a way to boost new character sales and it got cracked down on. Neuvillette is a great example of a mistake because they left the issue in two banners and tried to fix it when they realized people weren't rolling characters. EDIT: Cute dog
Yeah, it wasn't just that Hoyo tried to nerf a character, if they had nerfed him in the first week of release or so, it wouldn't have been as big a deal. The problem was that they made money off the rerun, when people knew about how strong the spin was, and then nerfed it afterwards, which seems pretty scummy to me. If you think a character is too strong because of an unintended interaction, don't wait until you get sales off it before nerfing.
i love how many different meta team comps there are now; otherwise the game would start to get pretty stale wouldn't it... even as a casual it doesn't sound super fun just slapping two harmonies + one dps together all the time and calling it a day
What sucks is that it feels difficult to "go back" and invest in niches that you missed on release. I want Jiaoqiu because I hoped to get Acheron on rerun, but maybe I should just wait for 3.0 DPS characters and skip both? Side note, I'm going to be PISSED if Sunday releases and is niche, and I missed whatever characters he wants to run with.
I wouldn't let that deter you. I started before 2.1, which had Jing Yuan and Sparkle out at that time. I pulled for Jing Yuan before I knew how much he falls off and was rold to wait for Sparkle. I missed the best characters like Jingliu, Ruan Mei, etc. Now i have them both and Acheron. In short, pull who you want because you want them, if you want Jiaoqiu and Acheron? Go for it. It would be a waste to miss out on Acheron waiting for 3.0.
That’s because it’s not possible. If you missed the break characters don’t bother pulling on the rerun just save for the newest pushed play style. If you missed the follow-up characters much the same.
I pulled for Blade... savor it in my place. Jingliu, Dan Heng IL & Argenti were my biggest mistakes because I barely use them. None of these characters is what I asked for but I'm still waiting for their best in-slot teams. Blade needs HP buffers, Jingliu needs a dedicated skill-based relic set, Dan Heng IL isn't gonna cut it with 4-Piece Musketeer & Argenti needs a dedicated ULT DMG set as well, We're not getting what we actually need which are new relics along with these characters.
"I'm still waiting on an aoe bleed or like uh uh blast damage bleed character, that would be _fire_ ..." Um actually, that would be _physical_ 🤓(this is just a joke, i know what he actually meant)
You shouldn't be going "Damn Jaioqiu is too niche as an Acheron support so I can't pull him," you should be relieved that you can save your jades for someone else. Stop pulling every new shiny toy! As a Firefly main I'd much rather pull Lingsha and then have a strong core of four that I can build up and invest in over the course of the game's lifetime than have to constantly swap out one member of the team because it's been three patches so I have to pull the new support that makes every DPS do 10% more damage compared to the last one. That being said, Hoyo likes to put the cart before the horse sometimes. So far 2.x has had a strong focus on Acheron / Follow Up / Break, leaving the other playstyles to the side. It'd be nice to get more characters that explore some of the archetypes they introduced before, like SP consumption for Sparkle, HP consumption for Blade / Jingliu, supports that buff specific elements so there's more than just Mono Quantum... literally any other DoT unit to give Kafka more than one five star option. We're getting supports that fulfill a niche, which is good, but it makes other team comps feel worse because they don't have their own niche supports yet.
Archetype is the meta. It's not the characters anymore, it's now the archetype. It's gonna stay like this until the end. I've spend my stellar jades on a whim and I somehow still have 2-4 full teams. This doesn't mean they're all built since my relic luck is down bad horrendous. F2Ps aren't making it out of this one lol
@@a.r5235 same, initially pulled Sparkle for JY and DHIL, but they're still not strong enough without S1. Now the three of them rot in my account, especially since I got Acheron, Boothill and Firefly. Powercreep is insane.
It's kind of wild to me how angry people get about niche characters. Like, I love investing in a few really strong teams that are meant to do their job in that team the best. People HATE how restrictive Firefly can be for her best performance, but as my favorite character, I love having the ability to have a strong team dedicated to her.
Yo. It wouldn't have been a problem for 70% of the complaints if building characters was as easy as leveling them. Just farm the ascention domain 5 times and you're done. Traces man, fecking traces take 5-7 days to farm to get characters to 9/9/9. I'm not talking about relics. Relics is a beast of its own, but at some point during 1.0-2.0 we were talking about trace farming and then just forgot about it.
@ChiDoke I would understand being low on exp books as a newer player but as a veteran player there's an excess amount of exp books imo. Only have to worry about traces, ascension materials after that. Daily login materials and weekly mats should also be in abundance. Relics are rng tho
This is a really good point of discussion, thank you for pointing this out Iyo You explained pretty well as to why I personally refuse to pull Ruan Mei (ironic to say as an Iyo fan) and consider Robin the best character in the game
They're Doomposting her now!? Oh my gosh, man! LOL I thought we all learned that the "nerfs" were actually a 10% performance buff thanks to how she plays in game now.
Dont do this to me... I want Jiaoqiu, Robin AND Lingsha and theyre all one after another 💀 i only have 153 pulls without a guarantee Edit: got Jiaoqiu at 82 pity (at least I won the 50/50.. 🗿) I'll update it for Robin and Lingsha too if I remember
I mean, it's for the investment for the people who pull for them right? Sure if u dont want to pull for the character its ok. But don't start complaining when the endgame needs that specific character. Since endgame does give u jades.
@@ytwaldan Sure. It is fine to accept the game's marketing system and succumb to it. My point is more towards the fact that the playerbase gets really deep into game analysis and understanding "the meta" when in reality is just the game selling you the latest units in a blatant and straightfoward way. In addition, I believe is a little silly to say: Pull for the latest unit or else dont complain.
at this point I feel like it's misleading to call Robin niche. If she's lowkey BiS for every archetype beside Break then wouldn't that make her universal? because if she was niche she wouldn't be invalidating Acheron's passive in her new best team (from what i've seen) . i feel like she is so overtuned and game-warping that she really IS a universal support rn thus including her among a list of "niche" characters is just misinformation
@@TerraTheWise Yeah the Robin glazing has reached a fever pitch in the last few weeks. I have both her and Sparkle and Sparkle is waaay easier to use with better results for hypercarry. Maybe I'd say Robin is BiS in FuA and dual DPS, but most dual DPS teams are already FuA teams anyway. Robin and Ruan Mei are almost at a tie in DoT, which is also a dual DPS team.
What annoys me is that recently people are calling sparkle mid just like how they do with every support or dps character all because sparkle doesn't synergize that well with feixiao like robin does now all of a sudden people wanna call sparkle mid and unusable and irrelevant like just because one harmony character doesn't mix well with every character in the game doesn't make them mid now everyone is saying robin carrys the harmony section like no she doesn't its about preferences people are out here acting like sid from toy story and its annoying bet the same people who are saying robin carrys the harmony section will be the same ones to call her mid 2 to 3 banners down the line all because she won't synergize well with a new busted unit bunch of brain rot kids.
Sparkle was the third best pull in penacony, robin and averentine were the first and second. The only reason why ppl doompost her is because they want to justify not pulling her. The other ones like acheron a ff are dps chars so they aren't as good.
@@AlwaysThirstysEh you can knock Aventurine down to 3rd. Sustains are the least important member of a team. If you aren’t playing follow up he’s an easy skip.
JQ isn't that niche tho. He works w/ FuA. He works w/ debuff archetype. He works w/ hypercarry (you still need bronya, sparkle, or tingyun w/ him). He's actually designed primarily for DoT. He basically only doesn't work with Break (at least not like Ruan Mei). Vuln is very hard to find and he'll always a purpose. I actually think he's going to be powercrept by other niche nihility units and he'll fall off because he's too much of a generalist, not because he's niche.
Sometimes i do regret pulling Acheron because I don’t really like her character all that much but it didn’t mess up my boothill pulls I’ll probably wait for another aoe dps and use my jingliu because I just like her more, I’ll still use her for electric weak enemies but that’s about it (also I pray for a jingliu indirect buff they gave her nothing since she dropped 🙏)
Wait for Feixiao... she'll be a new Wind DPS to your roster. Even though she's a Hunt (Single-Target) character, she's probably going to be the best to deal with Wind Weakness enemies. Jingliu isn't bad, she's just in a tight spot with the previous content being catered towards other elements/archetypes. If you're waiting for another AoE DPS, we won't be getting one for a long time since we already have so many. Unless you're pulling for Jiaoqiu, he counts as an AoE DPS.
@@generalsaverngild I’ll wait because sadly I don’t have any unites that help feix and I mean none and when I pull for characters I want them to feel complete and I want to use them with there complete teams but maybe I can use my sparkle but besides that I have no FUA units and I don’t plan on pulling them there all uninteresting to me (hot take). FU is cool but not the characters besides Feixiao
But I feel like a lot of people are under the misconception that Robin is strictly a follow up support meanwhile she is the best support for any crit and atk scaler
actually sparkle is better for argenti, danheng, danheng il, jingyuan, qinque and seele. Ruanmei is bis for jingliu, all break team and dot, xueyi himeko super break, danheng being an overall good unit for all teams and acheron. Robin is bis in all fua teams. So robin isn't always the best option.
@@AlwaysThirstysall those you mentioned in the first half are hyper carries and with the exception of QQ and seele who prefer mono quantum hyper carry requires TWO harmonies hence sparkle and robin will always be the go to choices and also Robin is better with jingliu than Ruan Mei search it up
This video really makes sense. I started playing HSR Dec 18. I watched a lot of content creator's analysis during that time about releasing Characters and added my own preferences (Granted I am really a gamer and have higher than average IQ). My pulls ever since I played where Ruan Mei E1, Dr. Ratio's LC, Black Swan, Acheron E1S1(tried E2 but lost 50/50), Firefly E0, Ruan Mei's LC (for HMC to use). Also, ever since April I could clear 3* all MoC, PF, AS that released as a total f2p. So for me this game is very easy since I'm cleaing content without spending a cent. I just need to focus on Acheron team and Firefly team and I don't have to pull for anything ever! since they ignore elemental toughness
If only I started later lol. Well I can't do that now. I can't refund the amount of characters I have and I'm not someone who could save jades for around 6-8 months. I'm truly glad that at least someone was able to clear the hardest content while starting out like almost half a year in.
Should I built my E3 Xuyei? Idk if i should invest in Xuyei but after the release of HMC and March 7 hunt, i wanted to build her as my second team.dps. I don't have mei so the team would be Xueyi, HMC, gahllager, and March 7th I do have a somewhat built Dr Ratio, but i dont have the best debuffers so his team would be Dr Ratio, guinafen, Gahllager, and Tingyin/Bronya/Hanya. Im curious on who to invest in cause I don't wanna waste resources. Btw my first team dps is acheron E0S1, pela, Fu xuan and gunaifen
I kinda like specialized supports , they make each team feel special, its like building an actual team , if your team has special synergy with each of the team members (sort of like quadratic scaling where every team member strengthens the hole team and the team strengthens that member back so on and so forth) heck one of my dream is for HSR to add character combo ults ! (For explaination : imagen you have two charcters which have interacted heavily in the lore, think bronya and seele , blade and danhung , aventurine and topaz/ratio , acheron and black swan or aventurine aswell (its like the voicelines when you add charcters to the party), you can use the energy for both ultimates to make one combined ultimate that combines both kits) TL;DR : two charcters who know eachother can form a combined ultimate which does an increase amount of dmg. But yeah , even tho it might suck to gather all these charcters , I feel it makes pulling them even more satisfying !
there was a situation with yae miko where they tried to change her skill's targeting cuz it wasn't working properly originally, but it didn't work so they reverted that change and just fixed the bug that was originally causing her skill's targeting to not work properly which is good because that bug was impacting so many other characters too. took them long enough to fix that auto-targeting bug. lol
I don’t believe the idea that people pulled e2 Acheron because they were lazy and didn’t want to build nihility characters. They wanted e2 for more options. And E2 allows you to have a better performing Acheron. Until JQ releases the best performance we are getting out of E2+ Acheron is Sparkle/Robin and Pela.
I always feel like I'm not exactly who you are talking to when you make points like this. But, I'm pretty used to it by now, since I really probably am not. Like, take this apoc for instance, I got 3888 + 3882 with Firefly + Ruan Mei + Asta + HMC and Jingliu + Robin + Bronya + Pela. If you don't view supports as a one slot factor in teams, the value of getting multiple supports to act as tools to enable specific rotations rings true. Asta was an improvement over Gallagher in Node 1 with some tinkering in the rotation due to her speed buff and having an extra character to have a valuable Harmony LC slot. Bronya pairs amazingly with Robin, allowing her to ult early, and synergizes with Jingliu perfectly. And, due to the 100% advance factor, I was able to do the Jingliu -> Bronya -> Jingliu rotation with attack boots On Jingliu, ignoring speed. Pela was the ideal teammate for this comp to help with toughness reduction and improve Jingliu's AoE damage which was important to rush the adds which is what determines the break which is what determines the score. Sustains are optional. They always have been. When you factor that in, the value supports can bring expands to the point where you kind of want multiple of these extremely powerful supports, in which, yeah, certain synergies will make one more appealing than the other in specific situations, which is good. I don't think a game needs to pigeonhole supports to get them to sell well. I think a lot of people are going to get good support units regardless. I think it's good when supports are really strong, because when you have a bunch of really strong supports, they can compete with one another for spots when looking to optimize runs. As more limited harmony units come out, I feel like it's going to be a certainty that there will be situations where it is the best to use, and situations where it may be better to use another options depending on the fight and team. There are niche aspects to limited supports right now, just they are just universally good on top of that. It really is just the best of both worlds which I think is a good move. It's good for both us and them. It just means you really probably should get particularly powerful limited harmony supports. They are high value units, and I think that's okay.
I think its fair to say what is better for f2pers vs business vs fun gameplay etc but I think you missed a few things or maybe you just glossed over it because I've seen you say some of this yourself in other videos too. Most players want their investment (time, materials, pulls) to have a certain level of longevity (they want to feel the investment was 'worth it'). Universal units meet this obviously and it gives us the peace of mind that I have this area of the meta packed away and can then invest elsewhere, preferably on a character I like (aesthetically and probably personality wise). If the new character doesn't give us the same peace of mind that once I'm done investing, I can look into other areas and instead will likely have a bunch of characters to invest needed to fill the team in order to get decent results, then I'm looking at significant investment commitment over longer period of time. This commitment is at odds with the gacha FOMO. We don't know when the next Acheron or Ruan Mei is coming and every character gets hyped up to heavens by some people and doom posted into hell by others. It makes the commitment risky and difficult to justify, especially if you don't have a lot of characters and meta characters to work with. If you do have a meta character/team to work with. You can brute force a lot of content and get decent clears for more pulls. If you don't have this then where you should be investing and where you want to be investing is probably already at odds with each other. This makes these decisions less fun. Seeing banner after banner of new characters and "I want/kind of want/don't want this character but they won't help me right now..." sucks. But the reality is that if you never pull, you will also never get to a point you have a comfortable selection of characters to work with. Especially the E6 4*, the E5 4* LCs that are best in slot F2P options that can be a huge deal when filling gaps. F2Pers and low spenders have limited resources. Making a bad decision can be costly in terms of efficiency and really diminish some of the fun. Seeing a character who we know will be a high impact improvement for our account only to have missed it due to lack of resources is a complete bummer feeling. This leads to saving and scrutinizing every character and LC in detail. It leads to less pulls and putting up with our current teams that are likely not the flavour of the month (getting the most of the turbulences in MoC/PF etc). This is a gacha game. Pulling is part of the fun and we're fighting fomo on all sides. Missing this character. Missing the next. What a lot of players would benefit from is clear goals for their accounts. A deeper understanding of their current assets and how to best utilize them. Some introspection on how they like to play, where they should give concessions and where they need to be strict. For me, I like turn manipulations so I get to do more things. I like to have mini goals in combat other than damage (acheron debuff counter, kafka dot stacking before going boom, triggering fua chains, break that meter etc). I want to pull characters I like so in order to do more of this I try to make the teams I already have as robust as possible. I recognise I'll unlikely be able to get full clears of moc but I'm fine with 11/12 and the occasional 10/12 etc. To me, I'm still having fun this way and when I compare with streamers I focus on how to make my team better and not how to imitate them per se, quite often it comes down to relic sub stat luck. The entire game/genre is about tempting you to pull so we're constantly thinking of compromise in resource allocations. Know where your line is and be comfortable with mistakes. Focus on goals and what makes things fun rather than regrets and failures to clear or whatever. I pick up supports more often because they seem to be more useful if I can swap them into different teams. DPS characters fall into more niche in how they work. Hyper carry. Dot. FuA. Break. There are differences in each, sure, but generally speaking a support can work in it to some degree while forcing a dot into fua might not be as suitable for example.
Universal buffers is a good concept and it should be noted. That does not mean that it should be implemented as "supports excelling in every team". It's more like, "How many times do I use this support over another?" So it's more towards building a team that can be used more often than another. That's what I mean by "universal buffers". The funny part with Black Swan & Ruan Mei was that I pulled them because I liked their appearance. I didn't expect them to be the strongest team comps I'm using. I would never go for an eidolon unless it's something that improves the overall damage by a huge margin. It has to transition from 500k to 1 million within the second eidolon or else I'm not pulling for eidolons. Any team comps that are outside of the most efficient ones are extras. Here's an example, Acheron, Ruan Mei, Sparkle & Robin. It's only for fun and should not be used outside of fun. I know it's not the absolute best but it's the funniest shit in my opinion. Don't cook yourself by saying that supports shouldn't shared. They can in fact be shared and it's ideally for fun.
Says HSR is a meta driven game but I still use my beautiful king Argenti in all 3 endgame content even though Prydwen does him dirty every new version 😭
I agree, I like having to build teams. I disliked how in Genshin almost no matter what I did, no team performed better than my Raiden National team. Like I build other teams and it still wasn’t as easy and good as that team. In HSR I have my KafkaBS DOT team, my Acheron Debuffs team, my Firefly Break team and my Jingliu ice team. And now I have even been using a Xueyi and Hunt M7 Break team and it’s working pretty well. I lack Topaz, Robin and Aventurine, so I don’t really have a FUA team, but maybe someday I will, and that is pretty cool. Also, I like getting characters that can take the place of others, like I want a Gallager or Ruan Mei equivalent so I can do two break teams some day, that would be cool too. So I agree. My only problem is that I don’t like the new fox guy enough to pull even if he is amazing for my Acheron team or something, but I guess I will make do for now.
I personally like the fact that characters have niches that they slot into. It gives them an identity and somewhere to go without adding to the powercreep, whereas when a character is universal, they seem to either powercreep the game or they fail to find a place anywhere. That being said, I think people overestimate how necessary most characters are to team comps. I have a tall waifu only account, so I've skipped some pretty strong characters, and I still have full cleared all the endgame modes since launch, I just have to work within the restraints I have. There are plenty of alternatives to best in slot characters, and even though they're worse, they're still plenty good enough get the job done.
I think that you make a lot of very good points. I would also like to say, they SHOULD do balance patches. Simply put, there is no actual reason for Yanqing to have the restriction that he has. And even if you removed those restrictions, he would still be a subpar Hunt DPS. And short of giving him his own premium light cone that specifically compensates for his drawbacks, there is nothing that can really be done about it. Every Follow-up or Hunt focused relic set that is released will still be better on every other unit that meets the requirements. I think they can safely do balance changes without nerfing anything currently in the game. Even Firefly, who is several levels of headscratching design, isn't really any better or worse than Acheron for example. But characters who have dated design philosophies should get some attention. Yanqing - I already talked about him, but remove his stance drop and up the chance of proccing his follow-up. Blade - Blade can probably be addressed with a dedicated premium Harmony support. But really his issue is his scaling. Because his damages scales almost entirely on HP, none of the current supports help him, beyond giving him more turns. Arlan - needs better scaling Serval - I am not sure Serval can be helped. Give her a 5 Star. And a lot of characters do have compensation built in to their Eidolons. But unless they start adding 1.X characters to the 50/50, a lot of them will never be pulled for over a new character.
Summoned for Robin literally only becaus she sings had no FUA team really made for so she was kind of a throwaway until now Feixiao is about to release and Robin boots her effectiveness tremendously lol... Gotta say tho building multiple teams is more fun than the Hyper Carry set ups I like to have options just me personally
You mentioning an AOE bleed character made me imagine a tall dark character like death from puss'n boots that uses a sythe and gives them a specific weakness to make bleed stronger. Wouldn't that be so cool
I definitely agree with this. I haven't played Genshin regularly since back in the Nahida days, but even when I do play and pull a character, there's about a 90% chance I'm putting the character on a team with Zhong Li and Xianling, whom I've had for like ever. That's part of the reason it's hard for me to pick Genshin back up - well, that and as soon as I hear Paimon's annoying ass voice again... lol. And even though Starrail has these niche characters, I still find myself brute forcing most content with my tried and true teams. No one is really necessary to pull after you've heavily invested into a team or two.
I don’t mind the more niche character. That can make team building more interesting and in best cases buff some older characters as well. What worries me is that Hoyo continues their strategy of picking a favourite waifu each patch who gets all the love and a completely broken overpowered kit. And then release characters that are just add-ons to her, niche without any other use. Just “Collect the whole set” (Already if you didn’t pull for Acheron or firefly, you’re probably struggling a bit. At least if you’re a more casual player.) I like that we have different team archetypes that can be built with multiple characters. Some are more meta but there’s still wiggle room to pick your own teams. I don’t want to be basically forced to pull the latest Hoyo nepobaby and then the characters they designated for her. Instead of team building we get a shopping list.
From what we seen in the past more niche characters tend to seem underwhelming on release but as more units come out, they tend to pop off like Topaz for example
I do agree that hyper carry is bad for the game but right now the main teams are break, Acheron and FUA. I was happy that feixaio was potentially gonna be a hyper carry unit but they just changed her kit to be more FUA dependent. FUA, and break don't need anymore help. Acheron, dot and hypercarry needs help (all Acheron need now is a sustain unit). Added freeze support and summon type play style.
Niche vs Universal isn't bad until Hoyo overtunes a character. Ruan Mei can go in almost any team, but she probably shouldn't be the *best* support for most of the teams. She should be the best support for break teams while also being a "fine" option for other teams while you wait to fill her spot with a specialist like Robin or JQ. I actually really like the direction they are taking the game (aka making tons of team archetypes and filling them in with premium characters that fill their role really well). It lets players choose a playstyle they like and really feel like their teams are powerful, even with some F2P friendly units thrown in. The separate endgame modes make this feel even better, as most teams will continue to be useful in some content.
I gave up being meta slave after Acheron, my motivation in this game isn't as strong like before where i push for max star in MOC. Now im happy clearing Stage 8 and can clear higher if im not lazy enough hahahahhaha. Btw dps i have is JL, DhIL e2, Acheron e2. I also have Sparkle and RM e2 with Robin. Now im just playing coz of story.
Is he worth it if you have E2 acheron or is it more worth it to get feixiao and her light cone I have firefly as well And have all the five star harmony characters but don't have topaz and adventurine
@@Acheron-is-the-goatyes. But seriously depends on your account and what team archetypes are your main. Because acheron- her own, firefly - break and feixiao is fua. They all are for different team archetypes.
30% vulnerability with high uptime and 15% Ult damage amp is pretty solid. If you need another character for DoT/fire coverage/extra damage/multi-dps he's pretty good. If you don't need any of that then skip. (I'm skipping for FeiXiao and Lingsha)
niche support is the best, this is like i want my harmony become all out support to my FuA team, i dont need break efficiency, i dont need energy regen, i dont need ultimate damage vulnerabillity, i just need my FuA deal a TON of damage and make my FuA team go fluid thats why i use Robin in my FuA team thats why a company recruit an enginer master to work at enginer department and they recruit economic master to work at economic department in office
I think Genshin has power creep too though. Although instead of DPS it's mostly supports. Xingqiu with Yelan and Furina, Sucrose with Kazuha, Fischl with Yae, Dendro MC with Nahida and now possibly both Bennett and Xiangling for the Pyro Archon. The problem I have with star rail is that the "Meta" of DPS always shifts in favor of the ones who are on the banner just to chase sales. You're point in Universality being negative is actually quite true. Being universal means that a unit has to fit everything but if they fit everything then there's no point in getting other units. Genshin has the advantage to game new playstyles but so far Star Rail has way too many copy pastes so it kinda makes it hard to justify getting another DPS.
He's basically just a better and more comfortable Pela for a Hypercarry team, his only not as ideal if the team already has def shred, as def shred gets multiplied on itself, so each percentage gets more valuable the higher it is, vulnerability is better in lower capacity around the 70%, if you have 70% def shred or more it will increase more DMG, but less than 70% def shred is worse than less than 70% vulnerability. So overall the answer is yes, specially for Ratio Hypercarry, or Argenti.
At least it keeps the game entertaining. You want the new character and try a whole new team and get hype for a character even if the no new story content. Only thing thats suck is that when a characters complete your fav team but you don't like its design. Jiaoqiu, personally, is an example of this. I quit genshin because except for dendro, my teams were the same forever. Then i had like 3 to 5 patches expecting nothing only doing mini games.
The Jiaoqiu complain kinda crazy but i can understand. It kinda like back when Topaz first introduced. I love her so much but at the time she doesn't really have a team she can truly fit and I'm kinda sad. But look at her now, part of the big 3 team
What do you mean Robin is niche. Even if we assume that Robin only function in FUA team she still isn't a niche support because 80% of HSR DPSs have access to FUA 😂😂
@@pooyayaddasht2419 So 13/29 still isn’t half. Niche isn’t relative to a specific number, it’s just the definition of being specialized. Which she is, y’know? The caveat is she’s so dang strong that she benefits damn near everyone else passively. Lol
i wanted sparkle for my DHIL (e0s1) and to help my seele (e1 but dont rly use her tho) cuz i thought sparkle was good. but i know robin would help my clara, pf team, and eventually when i get the follow up team. should i pull sparkle or wait for robin… still dont know if jiaoqiu is a must pull or not
14:28 i have e0s0 acheron on my alt acc and she's great so their excuses to pull for e2 ain't that good lmao i don't like using pela bc she doesn't stack crimson knots fast enough for me so i want to replace her but that's not the reason i want e2s1 bc putting in a harmony means stacking them just as fast as i do now i wanna get jiaoqiu and acheron's e2 so i can get plenty of ults plus nihility in general is so fun to play with those are the reasons to go for e2 as a f2p not "i refuse to build anyone other than a new dps" you shouldn't have pulled for acheron if you're not going build supports for her even if she's left at e0s0 you still shouldn't pull if you don't want to build nihility supports like jiaoqiu, pela, sw, etc
I'll take niche characters every day of the week. Do find it funny how people shat on Robin only to realize later just how strong her kit is. She's the 5* Bennet of star rail and people didn't realize that.
No one except Speedrunners are using sucrose at this point, Xinqxiu has fallen off now that both Furina and Yelan have been out, Bennet and/or XL have to fall off (not cope) once the Pyro archon is released. Fischl will be the last 4 star standing trust.
8:48 💀 we, the epic seven community, do not believe that. They take forever to nerf overpowered characters or simply sell you a limited or ML unit to counter the meta. It's been a toxic meta for the last 3 years with a good chunk of those characters staying the same. They rarely nerf limited or ML characters if ever because they're the most exclusive characters in the game. Hwayoung is an example of a regular 5 star that remained untouched for i believe 4-6 months and didn't have a rerun until the month her nerf got announced. ML Lilias and ML Landy haven't been nerfed since they released a year+ ago.
IMO Lingsha and Jiaoqiu is different case than Robin, Lingsha and Jiaoqiu is not a dedicated support to an archtype, they are a dedicated support to a character So if that char is not meta anymore their dedicated support become useless. There is no "debuff-needs" archtype in HSR, nor "fire-break" archtype
"Here's another support that works with everything" is basically saying "Here's a new skin for your support character(s)." Why would I pull for x different supports if the only thing that makes them unique for my account is how they look and their animations and what their role in the story is? Gimme 2, maybe 3, and I'm good to go for the rest of the game... or at least a few years in, until a major power creep forces me to pull for new ones. That would be a horrible business decision for Hoyo. And it would kill the fun of building and perfecting teams... and I'm saying that as a free to play... 😂
I think what matters is how many teams a character is bis in. Ruan mei is bis in less teams then Robin. You could argue that makes her worse. Hell, Jiaoqiu is bis in more teams than Ruan mei, albiet he's also a generalist just like her. Niche my ass, you can throw that man in any teams. He's just bis in a select few
I haven't followed Jiaoqiu much but is he really niche? I thought he was supposed to be a 5* Pela, so doesn't that make him a good alternative for other teams like DoT or Hypercarry? Robin doesn't seem to be niche. I thought she gave similar numbers as Ruan Mei when it came to Kafka/Swan teams, and obviously she's much stronger in FUA. Lingsha doesn't seem to be niche either - as an abundance her main role is healing and cleanse which she looks to do really well at, and her additional bonuses benefit both break and FUA. If we consider the five main styles as hypercarry, debuff/DoT, superbreak, and FUA, is any unit that's strong in two of these categories and usable in at least one of the others really niche? Rather than call these characters niche, it would be better to describe them as universal with a particular specialty. You compared Ruan Mei to Asta in break teams at around 5 minutes - it's not that Asta is less niche than RM, but rather Asta is just less powerful than RM. Even in a non-break team, you'd rather use Ruan Mei over Asta in 90%+ of situations. The only case where these supports would be considered niche is when Mihoyo raises the MoC/PF/AS difficulty so high that you need the correct 'niche' unit alongside the right DPS to clear the endgame content. Pulling E2 Acheron to avoid the nihility dependency makes me laugh a bit. I pulled Acheron without her light cone and now I don't bother to use her most of the time because her damage is ass because farming for crit gear is the worst thing ever.
I have acheron E0S0, firefly with full break team, and a fully invested robin but don't have topaz or aventurine, is it still worth to pull for feixiao, pull for Jiaoqiu, or save for lingsha
I feel like Acheron is decently flexible with the Nihlity units you can run on her, (i personally don't have Firefly break, so I use ghallager on my acheron team, (kinda not built), and I'm fairly new player, so I mostly use gepard with trend of universal market to stack debuffs, along with Guinaifen and Pela so for Jiaoqiu, unless you're really invested in Acheron, or you don't have any other decent debuffers, then I don't think its the best decision. Lingsha is just ghallager premium, so again, unless you really need a second ghallager, or you really want to maximise on a certain team,(firefly break, since she's built for break teams, but she's a good sustain in general especially with her AoE cleanse, so maybe get her if you have another break team, or just need another healer) but otherwise, probably consider skipping. Finally, with Feixiao, since you have two fully developed teams, getting her is not probably not a necessity, but she can still work in teams without all the premium units, like Moze's kit got buffed, so he'll fit really nicely into her team, and Robin will probably need to be run on this team, and in that case, if you like her playstyle enough, I think go for it, but honestly that goes for everybody here, and imo should always be your first consideration, do you want to play the unit and do you like them enough to be willing to either invest in a good team, or to run them with substitutes for a sub-optimal performance, cuz that's the whole reason we play these games, for fun. Hope this helps, and sorry if this wasn't the opinion you were looking for. PS, good luck with whoever you pull for, and finally, saving for Aventurine might be a good idea as well, since he is very good generic sustain, and adds lots of value to your account, especially if you want to run a follow-up team, Feixiao included.
At first I had a hard time reading bc I'm still learning English, and I guess all of them seem like a decent options for me on my account. I'm still choosing whether I should even go for one of these characters bc I have brute force into endgame content and completed all in just bare minimum. My mistake on my account is the fact that I try to have all the team synergies but in their budget team rather than their focused premium teams. Now I am left 3 of the most valid options which are lingsha bc i don't have two limited supports (using gallagher and huohuo), jiaoqui because my E0 and S0 acheron even with good substats was able to complete all content but in a bare minimum and some few tries, and for feixiao, I'm trying to change to a FUA synergy team because of my second account uses the follow up synergy and completed all endgames easier that my main account. Plus, I have a well invested robin and she's been a lot of help into my account when I was using a hypercarry seele.
@@みっこちやみ 😊thats good to hear, but I don't really think its mistake, everybody has lots of characters/teams they want to play, but I think between all of them, probably go for Feixiao and the follow up synergy team (gotta admit, I'm a little biased since I love follow up attack teams in general) since, that team will likely help from the most investment, rather than spending too much on trying to optimise current teams, since you like playing everything, but if you find one/two teams, that you really like, invest in the support characters first, since they'll be the most helpful, even if your DPS gets power creeped, they'll be useful for the next DPS of that archetype, like for example, Ruan Mei helps break teams, so if Firefly gets power creeped by another break DPS, then you can still use Ruan Mei. I think non-limited sustains (healers/shielders) will still work fine while you are building other teams. If you're focusing on fun, then go for other characters, and if you really want to clear endgame, then yeah, probably pull characters like Jiaoqiu, and Lingsha. Hope this helps your decision, (and sorry if you aren't looking for replies, but if you aren't, then pls say so, cuz this is just friendly advice, since you seem to be a bit unsure)
@@みっこちやみ With an E0S0 Acheron I would go for Jiaoqui, since he alone will boost her up massively and with him in the team Acheron also gains a huge buff in Pure Fiction. If you want a FuA-team, then pulling on Feixiao is probably a good idea, since you will also get Moze that way and he seems to be her best sub-dps / ultimate battery. So that would be 2 birds with one stone... The rest of the team you already have (Robin + Houhou). After that maybe save up for the Aventurine re-run, since he would complete your FuA-team and he is such a strong support, that you can put him in literally any team.
still think universal supports are meta. aventurine, FX, luocha, RM are universal supports which are very useful for literally any account. if we're talking about niche characters, they can be not so useful for new players, for f2p players. they basically needed only if you play specific character which they support, and statistically not every player has this specific character, and not every player, who has this character, will pull for niche support, if they already have a good team for him/her. for example, many people already have pela and silver wolf, and they might save their pulls for some other character. if you wanna compare it to genshin, shenhe and goro, for example, are rarely used only by dedicated ayaka and itto mains. universal supports, like xingqiu are more valuable.
You can buff or nerf content but being reckless about it is very often a detriment to the game and we are seeing that happen with a game like Helldivers 2. The game was already good when it launched but for some reason the developers decided to mess around with the weapons/support stratagems to the point that the majority of the weapons are no longer fun to use. On top of nerfing everything they increased the difficulty of dealing with the enemy mobs. The developers are literally killing their game with these dumb decisions. In regards to gacha games you can have a 'universal' team to tackle all the content but having some variety helps the game be healthy. In HSR when the hyper carry teams were the meta, what did Mihoyo do, just add a few extra zeroes to the enemy mobs to make it more difficult for hyper carry to 'one-two shot'. They didn't nerf the hyper carry team, they just made what they were good at more difficult to deal with. I do think Mihoyo needs to balance between 'artificially' increasing difficulty and designing content that caters to every playstyle.
People would just complain about it saying if you don't pull Kafka and Black Swan they are useless, not worth 180 pulls, Ruan Mei is better or whatever other kind of cope they make to convince themselves to not pull a character.
@@legobrick521productions3Maybe a character that both gives energy and a dot or defense shred maybe. Being able to consistently have ultimate to stack either Black Swan Arcana or continuously pop with Kafka might be neat. Or at least fun.
I some what disagree because people can update the meta by just playing different teams. I also think that everything being universal just means more/faster powercreep, but I disagree somewhat with your reasoning that people won't pull for new characters.
Just look at Luocha our "universal" healer, all he does well is heal which just isnt enough anymore, characters need to have a role in a team archetype. HuoHuo is good for her energy and atk buff in dot teams, aventurine has his FUA and his crit dmg buff in FUA teams. Yeah you could just get Luocha who works everywhere but he'll never be the best anywhere.
To me huo huo is just better ngl
@@tyrone6 fr huo huo is cuter and better
i feel like there is no niche sustain people most of the time pull 2 sustains and move on
@@banned4287 There are definitely niche sustains aventurine is the FUA sustain HuoHuo is the dot sustain, Gallagher is the break sustain. They all have an archetype they excel in but that doesnt mean you cant run them in other teams, end of the day a sustains job is to sustain.
IMO the only 5-star already released sustain dedicated to a specific playstyle now is just aventurine
luocha, huohuo, and fuxuan is still universal, not super universal but can use in many team
Robin is NOT niche???
That’s like calling RM niche someone like Sparkle (E0-E5) is legit restricted to crit based hyper carries that’s niche😭🙏
While robin can be used on DoT,FuA,Hypercarries legit any comp that isn’t break and that’s assuming you don’t run her with RM + Boothill because if that’s the case she sits right there just fine.
How the **** is she niche
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@@dokaswd Your a certified iPad kid 😐🫵
I was abt to say lol... She is the last character I think of when I hear niche
8:15 waited for you to finish this point because the game has glaring example of it already, Ruan Mei. Looking at in game data since her launch Break bars have begun to more than doubled in size (compared to before 1.6) to compensate for her existence, she has actively changed the enemy design around her. Her universality has permanently altered elites/boss design.
I hope they do more with Nihility character debuffs its crazy that Ruan Mei a Harmony character got the most interesting debuff with break recovery delay. They really don't want to bring much real debuffs into the game as it could impact enemy design even further. They even took away Jiaoqiu 30% effect hit rate reduction which wasn't even that big of a debuff. I hope the next Nihility unit will bring more meaningful debuffs other than just dmg increases or DOT.
@@kennethyoung7457 Openly outside of Acheron I don’t think they’ve done too bad. SW being a 1.1 units is pure debuff spam and a unique mechanic, Kafka/BS are DoT units which build on each other, Jiaoqiu is consistent debuffs which go near infinite which provides a solution to the issue of debuffs (needing to apply them first to every new enemy) as opposed to buffs already being on your unit. I don’t include Acheron as she is literally just an Erudition/Destruction chimera who due to lore is nihility. But Jiaoqiu’a old EHR debuff provided an avenue for alternative sustain as you could remove the worry of debuffs using Aventurine’s Eff res buff. It was something rather huge that just because it does not directly increase your dmg makes runs so much smoother.
RM is just a tumor this game now has to live with. The devs have since designed every enemy to compensate for her 50% WBE buff. Nihility could be more interesting int rh future but this is their attempt to try to make a DoT/Debuffer and it failed epically if they wanted people to consider him as another option over RM/Robin in DoT teams. Dot is a unique problem to Nihility since to keep DoT players happy they’ll want(and need) constant support to prop up the archetype because it has so little support (compared to FuA/Break). I would say expect more in the future as another fire Nihility foxian is leake.
@@Antithesis_72 Yeah Nihility is really strong right now but the debuffs themselves which are suppose to be the core of the path have been really undercreative imo especially with how some supports and dps are getting things like weakness implant, def ignore, and dmg vulnerability debuffs which were suppose to be a speciality of Nihility. Only thing Nihility really have unique these days is strong DOT.
I'm not unsatisfied with performance of Nihility overall though its still fun to play with how they all seem to work together. I will definitely want Tingyun as thats one of my favorite characters in the game if she turn out to be the Nihility unit. I plan on pulling Jiaoqiu as well.
I feel like a lot of people (or at least the vocal) don't seem to consider that what may be a niche character now, it allows for more characters in the future that'll be able to take advantage of the niche and make them more common or even break into the meta. Like break for instance. At the beginning of the game (in my experience) there wasn't a need to bother with the break stat as there wasn't a great set of characters to take advantage of it. But now, a year later, we're seeing a lot more characters that require break, or that allow other characters to utilize the break effect.
Powercreep exist so you shouldn't invest in units unless they're immediately good because you don't know the future
That’s exactly what happened with Topaz, back when she released, everybody said she was trash and not worth it, and then we got Ratio, Aventurine and Robin for her follow up team. Hoyoverse wouldn’t release characters that can’t be used anywhere, so we just need to have patience until their niche shines. Even Ruan Mei, who has always been good, also became infinitely better when break teams became a thing.
@@sushishishuand Feixiao
This is why I see leaks
@@elijahjarobi Well, then people wouldn't have units like robin, topaz, or ruan mei. Let people get characters they enjoy, because there's always potential for them to become meta when a new dps or support comes out. Choosing characters that are only good in the now, means that you will get powercrept in the future. Look at Seele. Even if she can still technically be competitive, she was the most powerful for a while. When it comes to any supportive unit, it doesn't hurt to invest and build around them, even if they don't seem amazing at first.
Robin is as niche as RM. I'd say that someone like Sparkle is unironically more niche than her on sole fact that not many units truly care about her SP gimmick, her extra buffs are for quantum only, unless you go for E2S1 you are just getting somewhat premium Bronya at E0S0. Hence why she feels the most underwhelming out of every limited harmony on my account.
Because I can shove RM and Robin in literally every team, and it just works. The big increase is instantly there compared to whatever I had previously instead of them.
Sparkle? Not really. I barely see difference (sometimes even worse performance) compared to my E1S1 Bronya. Even when I borrow E2S1 Sparkle, it honestly doesn't look as crazy compared to (let us say) my E1S1 RM that I already have. I need to use a very specific units in which Sparkle can truly dominate.
I don't regret Sparkle on sole account that I never skip limited harmonies (never will), but I would say that out of every limited harmony so far, her value is highly overblown, and she is only very strong in select few teams (that most might not even care to play), and even those teams, RM and Robin still feel better. Unless you hyper invest in your Sparkle, she will not be that big of an upgrade compared to Bronya on your account outside of comfier SP usage.
Actually even bronya at e0 is better because her buff is a universal 10% damage boast that works with new units like boothill AND unlike miss mid (sparkle) Bronya has a 100% action advance with a cleanse! I would actually go further and say hmc is better so let’s see. Hmc, bronya, robin & rusn mei > sparkle. She’s the worst out of all the 5*s, not just limited ones. Her kit like you mentioned was terribly thought out. She has 1-2 useless gimmicks for every unit at every moment in time.
@@littlebigeats7682 Pretty much.
Until HSR starts introducing more hypercarry units who like SP gimmick, Sparkle is just your premium Bronya.
If you want to own Sparkle because you like her, have enough jades to blow, like being comfy with your SP, want to use her with dedicated units that she excels for, or are like me that picks supports units because these are good to have just in case: Sure. Go for it.
However, if you are someone who is considering her because of the overhype that she gets from most CCs... Nope. She is extremely overhyped in her value there I'm afraid. Unless it is E2S1 - she is just there compared to Bronya. There is also a reason for why these CCs who gas her up so much, are most likely the same ones that get E2S1. E0S0 or even E0S1 Sparkle isn't as crazy upgrade to Bronya as some would lead you to think.
@@littlebigeats7682 I mean, sparkle buffs the entire team's DMG%, and at E2 straight up puts better Quantum set on the team, so unless you're literally just playing hyper carry and funneling everything into 1 character, where no one else is dealing any kind of respectable damage like a Sub DPS Aventurine, she's not. Using Acheron's team as an example, E2 Sparkle + JQ is like a 70% DMG buff to the entire team that has a 100% up time, not including any buffs (35% Vul, 24% ignore Def, and either of his preferred LCs (Sig or incessant). They have the same ATK buff (55% translates to like 533 or something ATK for acheron and benefits JQ too) at that point and Sparkle offers more C.DMG. Bronya only has the edge in actual DMG% (by 18%) but if you're already using an elemental orb, it's diluted a bit as well.
The less damage you have coming out of the rest of the team, the better Bronya becomes compared to sparkle. FUA and premium Acheron would prefer Sparkle over Bronya
Feixiao want Bronya E1S1 . Not Sparkle E0S1 .
But you know what if you put them together in Hypercarry Blade . Blade will be stronger . Just put Lynx , Jade or Jingliu for 4th member .
Is shame though since Apo Shadow want you to use dual carry .
Maybe I should just get Sparkle LC for Bronya / Tingyun / Hanya .
@@littlebigeats7682remove Acheron's 2-Nihility requirement and Sparkle is fine. The devs sabotaging her by boxing her out of the top team in her niche isn't an inherent flaw in her kit. The devs can hard counter any character if they choose to.
A lot of people dismissed Robin as being good only for FUA when she first dropped but she's been warning us all along
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I totally regret not pulling her when she came out. she's so good for every team and im getting tired of using Mei on every team
Robin isn't actually niche, she is the best with fua, she is the best with dot, she works in hypercarry, I would say the only place she is not good at all is break, and we knew it all since her launch. I think the thing is just that the last 2 characters and the next 2 are really good with her.
@@celsosousamendonca4738 after Lisara's video where she did a 0 cycle on E0 Boothill with E0 Robin, I'm not sure she's bad for break dps anymore 😂
WWOOoooOOOrrRRRLLDDD
@@celsosousamendonca4738I think Ruan Mei is slightly better in dot but I agree with you on most of them
robin isn't niche she's a slightly different ruan mei equivalent that happens to have a follow up attack gimmick tacked on. She works well in a lot of teams but excels in fua teams because they can deal more instances of her extra physical damage and use her ~20% fua cd boost, plus recharge her ult faster but other characters that can take extra actions can also use her
I would say ruanmei is slightly better overall in all modes because rn robin is overpreforming due to that fact that the last 2 dps chars have been fua and both moc buffs benifit fua. The reason why ruanmei pulls ahead is apoc, she increases break eff by 50% making you legit do so much more damage because the boss has 50% vun when broken plus extra buffs and you recharge all ults. Adding on she also provides weakness extension which is often not needed but just a failsafe.
@@AlwaysThirstys This and also giving All Type Pen, which is a significant buff that only Silver Wolf has something similar.
I like to relate star rail to my favourite games, card games. Imo in star rail you can have a favourite card/character, and then you build the deck around them. You cant chuck all the cards you like in a deck, they need synergy/a purpose. Say I like Topaz or Aventurine, I would like to build my team with FUAs in my mind, itwill be smoother to play. If I want to tackle a game mode with Topaz, like PF, I can make "tech changes" and remove say ratio and put a herta or himeko in to adapt my favourite character by using other synergistic chars to clear the content. We are this point where we cant chuck 4 op ppl in a team and say work. They need an engine (like a draw engine in card games), like topaz, robin, Harmony MC, which can run the deck, and a win condition (Ratio, Firefly, Acheron), with defense cards if you want (Aventurine, Gal) or go full aggro, but with the purpose that these characters, their LCs, and somtimes their relic sets perform sth for the team to bring forward the maximum out of my favourite character to win.
This is an amazing write up that I understood even better because I recently started looking into PTCG again. I want that Greninja EX deck. lol
I would say Robin is a little too good to be niche. Other than that, I agree that having units that synergize for a particular archetype/mechanic is good for the game. Even if someone wanted to hypercarry, that's only one side and you still need another team for endgame. Now a player can decide what 2 types of teams they want and can go from there.
Sidenote: If you're like me and enjoy having a LOT of different damage mechanic themed teams, pace yourself. Do 1 type of team at a time. Also, if you finish all of your damage mechanic themed teams, take time building your other characters too. May come in handy in the future
I’m working on a fua team but most of them are all e0s0 hopefully feixiao can save this team
@avionu3122 Feixiao probably will fix it but maybe you just need better relic substats? (Ik relic stat grinding is hell but we gotta work with what we have)
@@MisterHeadphones73 yeah, I mostly focused on 4000 atk/def for robin and adventurine but my relic substats for march hunt and topaz need some work.
15:20 you are not wrong tbh, Acheron came and fucked up the meta heavily that people like think jingliu and Imagine dragon are mid, because they dont crack 400k dmg (they do though just probably not in 1 number) FF and Boothill also dont help that if any dps unit coming after needs to be on par with FF or Boot because they are the new acceptable minimum (ratio was that even though he is a great unit), also call me crazy, FF and Boot out dps acheron at e0s0.
It should be stated that Firefly & Boothill are consistent which is why they deal more DPS than Acheron. She acts more as a DD (Damage Dealer) than an actual DPS. If ya'll play Fiesta Trickster... ya'll know.
Robin is not really niche. She’s kinda like Ruan Mei in which she is best in slot harmony unit for a specific team archetype (Ruan Mei for break and Robin for FUA) but flexible enough to be used in various teams, not just FUA.
That is the definition of niche. Niche doesn't mean it 'only' works in XYZ.
@@Iyoversethat is the opposite of niche lol
@Enigma-m8z I think he means she has her niche but she can work with other teams. Her energy regen isn't good on non-FUA teams as well.
@@Shoujo_o if she can work in every team then by definition she isn’t niche, she is the one best by far in fua and very competitive in all the other teams bar break team
She is jack of all trade Master of one
I think people don't really get that the characters they think are "universal" aren't really universal. Ruan Mei and Robin are not really universal, they just happen to have the best numbers as of now, but the truth is that they both have a really clear niche that utilizes their kits as a whole, rm has break teams and robin has FUA teams. As said, as of now you can use them wherever because they are strong even if you don't use a certain part of their kit, but they get and will get outshined on comps that are not "meant" for them and even more when new mechanics get released, with probably will happen as it's been happening. Characters are and should be meant to be the BiS for a specific archetype or character and this doesn't mean they will be shit for others, maybe a character replaces rm on a certain team and the difference is just like a 5-10% and people would say the character is not worth it, but the point is that the character is just more synergistic with a certain comp. And also I feel like people fail to really see the potential of characters but rather they just focus on what they are right now. Silver wolf at a certain point was called shit, but now with AS and many new synergies and relics she is a top character in certain content and teams. Sparkle right now is labeled as bad and all it really takes for her to be on the level of robin or rm is for a dps character to be released that fully utilizes her kit, like a DHIL 2.0 with more damage, if a tier 0 really benefits from her then she will be strong again. The idea should be for characters to be BiS on their certain niche and a suitable choice on other and as the game progresses they will only be "needed" on their niche rather than everywhere as RM has been for a while (although we are reaching a point where you can have a good account without rm, whilst not ago if you didn't have her u were just screwed). I think this dynamic makes it so your teams feel more rewarding and it's the right choice by hoyo. So my advice to people, especially f2p, would be to pick the kind of archetype they like the most and pick the characters that are crucial for them rather than focusing on the meta of rn, because in a year probably the teams that are top of the meta right now will be tier 1 instead of t0 and it will keep on changing which archetype has the best teams, between FUA, break, DoT, hypercarry, duocarry, debuffs and wherever new archetype they develop they will keep on being top of the meta and then bumping down a little depending on the enemies they are releasing.
I feel like Genshin thrives off people wanting to have field time with their favorite characters (typically dps units) so you see more universal supports who can work with many dps characters (the way they play also matters 10x more than hsr where you just watch them), and your favorite supports can still be on any team just about. I feel like HSR in comparison is able to focus more on the team archetype and they could easily have fewer dps and have a lot more supportive types that work to make different team types even better and they don't have to consider as much with play style/feeling. They could just have 3 break oriented dps but make 9 supports for them that form their best teams because at the end of they day, you are just playing a break team and need different options to cover weaknesses or battle needs. (like needing aoe for some enemies or fights or needing a way to break a weakness/ignore a weakness)
Honestly I think Harmony is in trouble. The future seems to be hyper self buffing characters with ridiculous ignore everything passives. Only debuffs might survive as a support.
I 100% agree. I ivested into Nihility right after launch, i got my Sampo, Silverwolf, Pela, Luka, Kafka and later on Guinaifen, that's why i was very happy with Acheronsnkit design, i'll go for Jq and Blackswan as well. Dot may no longer be the best but it is easy to bild since you don't need rare crit /crit dmg stats at all, only atk% and a bit effecthit and you are fine. I really want to see a physicall preservation or abundance that deals bleed damage and converts it into healing or shield. My guess is that the Obsidian Stoneheart IPC Vampire lady is going to be Physical Abundance with bleed dot that leeches hp, would fit perfectly well into Acheron/DoT and would fit the Vampire character 100%.
I actually like Acheron teams the most. You can rotate the other two nihility characters depending on what you need. I use SW, Pela, BS, Welt, Guinaifen and even Kafka or Luca sometimes.
She does crazy damage either way and you can play it a little different depending on the team.
I found it to be pretty fun, so I don’t get why people complain so much. The only thing I needed was a healer that worked better than Gallager or Fu Xuan with the LC that causes debuffs. But I won’t pull for the fox guy even if he is the best in slot because I’m not a fan.
The Neuvillette issue has to do with regulations in China. You generally can't make a character weaker in a gacha game because, yeah, people paid money for it. Its a rugpull basically. A lot of games did this as a way to boost new character sales and it got cracked down on. Neuvillette is a great example of a mistake because they left the issue in two banners and tried to fix it when they realized people weren't rolling characters.
EDIT: Cute dog
Yeah, it wasn't just that Hoyo tried to nerf a character, if they had nerfed him in the first week of release or so, it wouldn't have been as big a deal. The problem was that they made money off the rerun, when people knew about how strong the spin was, and then nerfed it afterwards, which seems pretty scummy to me.
If you think a character is too strong because of an unintended interaction, don't wait until you get sales off it before nerfing.
i love how many different meta team comps there are now; otherwise the game would start to get pretty stale wouldn't it... even as a casual it doesn't sound super fun just slapping two harmonies + one dps together all the time and calling it a day
need more quantum dps for sparkle
shes like THE quantum buffer, but theres hardly any quantum dps that work super well with her
Because she's MID
What sucks is that it feels difficult to "go back" and invest in niches that you missed on release. I want Jiaoqiu because I hoped to get Acheron on rerun, but maybe I should just wait for 3.0 DPS characters and skip both? Side note, I'm going to be PISSED if Sunday releases and is niche, and I missed whatever characters he wants to run with.
I wouldn't let that deter you. I started before 2.1, which had Jing Yuan and Sparkle out at that time. I pulled for Jing Yuan before I knew how much he falls off and was rold to wait for Sparkle. I missed the best characters like Jingliu, Ruan Mei, etc. Now i have them both and Acheron.
In short, pull who you want because you want them, if you want Jiaoqiu and Acheron? Go for it. It would be a waste to miss out on Acheron waiting for 3.0.
That’s because it’s not possible. If you missed the break characters don’t bother pulling on the rerun just save for the newest pushed play style. If you missed the follow-up characters much the same.
I pulled for Blade... savor it in my place. Jingliu, Dan Heng IL & Argenti were my biggest mistakes because I barely use them. None of these characters is what I asked for but I'm still waiting for their best in-slot teams. Blade needs HP buffers, Jingliu needs a dedicated skill-based relic set, Dan Heng IL isn't gonna cut it with 4-Piece Musketeer & Argenti needs a dedicated ULT DMG set as well, We're not getting what we actually need which are new relics along with these characters.
Rumor say that Sunday is going to be a harmony focused on summons.
"I'm still waiting on an aoe bleed or like uh uh blast damage bleed character, that would be _fire_ ..."
Um actually, that would be _physical_ 🤓(this is just a joke, i know what he actually meant)
You shouldn't be going "Damn Jaioqiu is too niche as an Acheron support so I can't pull him," you should be relieved that you can save your jades for someone else. Stop pulling every new shiny toy! As a Firefly main I'd much rather pull Lingsha and then have a strong core of four that I can build up and invest in over the course of the game's lifetime than have to constantly swap out one member of the team because it's been three patches so I have to pull the new support that makes every DPS do 10% more damage compared to the last one.
That being said, Hoyo likes to put the cart before the horse sometimes. So far 2.x has had a strong focus on Acheron / Follow Up / Break, leaving the other playstyles to the side. It'd be nice to get more characters that explore some of the archetypes they introduced before, like SP consumption for Sparkle, HP consumption for Blade / Jingliu, supports that buff specific elements so there's more than just Mono Quantum... literally any other DoT unit to give Kafka more than one five star option. We're getting supports that fulfill a niche, which is good, but it makes other team comps feel worse because they don't have their own niche supports yet.
Archetype is the meta. It's not the characters anymore, it's now the archetype. It's gonna stay like this until the end. I've spend my stellar jades on a whim and I somehow still have 2-4 full teams. This doesn't mean they're all built since my relic luck is down bad horrendous. F2Ps aren't making it out of this one lol
Oh dont worry about the HP consumption team. I dream that we will get that archetype in the future. 2 of em at least.
Its crazy how 5 of the 2.0 dps would prefer bronya over sparkle I kinda regret pulling for her compared to a more 'niche' support like robin
@@a.r5235 same, initially pulled Sparkle for JY and DHIL, but they're still not strong enough without S1. Now the three of them rot in my account, especially since I got Acheron, Boothill and Firefly. Powercreep is insane.
@@elfawne Ikr I got blade jy and dhil and got sparkle for em but they all fell of so hard except for dhil
It's kind of wild to me how angry people get about niche characters. Like, I love investing in a few really strong teams that are meant to do their job in that team the best. People HATE how restrictive Firefly can be for her best performance, but as my favorite character, I love having the ability to have a strong team dedicated to her.
Interested to hear your concerns about DOT team in its current state
Nerfing Characters after release is cancer, I would not play HSR if HoYo would Nerf Characters after release!
Yo.
It wouldn't have been a problem for 70% of the complaints if building characters was as easy as leveling them. Just farm the ascention domain 5 times and you're done. Traces man, fecking traces take 5-7 days to farm to get characters to 9/9/9. I'm not talking about relics. Relics is a beast of its own, but at some point during 1.0-2.0 we were talking about trace farming and then just forgot about it.
It all comes full circle in the end. haha
One week to almost fully max a character from lvl 1 isn't that bad imo. Better than Genshin and WuWa at least.
@@Shoujo_onot if your low on exp books if you had to farm exp books from scratch to level a character you’ll know how hard it is exp is so scarce
@ChiDoke I would understand being low on exp books as a newer player but as a veteran player there's an excess amount of exp books imo. Only have to worry about traces, ascension materials after that. Daily login materials and weekly mats should also be in abundance. Relics are rng tho
@@Shoujo_o try building 4 five stars at once and you’ll find out how little exp books are
This is a really good point of discussion, thank you for pointing this out Iyo
You explained pretty well as to why I personally refuse to pull Ruan Mei (ironic to say as an Iyo fan) and consider Robin the best character in the game
its funny that you said they were doom posting Acheron when now they're doing it for feixiao lol
cant wait to see her dominate just like Acheron
They're Doomposting her now!? Oh my gosh, man! LOL I thought we all learned that the "nerfs" were actually a 10% performance buff thanks to how she plays in game now.
@@Iyoverse I guess twitter is just a cesspool but yea its so stupid lolll
I do agree feixiao is an extremely good unit but as of right now she isn’t Acheron and Firefly level like people said
@@Iyoversetechnically what I know it’s a slight damage decrease but makes her better to use in practice
@@ChiDoke how do u assure that? r u hoyo's employee?
Dont do this to me... I want Jiaoqiu, Robin AND Lingsha and theyre all one after another 💀 i only have 153 pulls without a guarantee
Edit: got Jiaoqiu at 82 pity (at least I won the 50/50.. 🗿) I'll update it for Robin and Lingsha too if I remember
Open up that credit card
You're about to make one of the hardest decisions in your HSR career next week. LMAO
As someone who wants kafka black swan and robin my dreams are scaring me right now 😰
@@insertnamehere2022worst thing is everyone is saying it's confirmed to be those three 💀 I'll keep my dream that they announce someone else on stream
@@eh1165 99% accurate 😭😭😭
Because the latest end game modes are benefiting break, and follow-ups to promote the latest units. That is why.
I mean, it's for the investment for the people who pull for them right? Sure if u dont want to pull for the character its ok. But don't start complaining when the endgame needs that specific character. Since endgame does give u jades.
@@ytwaldan Sure. It is fine to accept the game's marketing system and succumb to it. My point is more towards the fact that the playerbase gets really deep into game analysis and understanding "the meta" when in reality is just the game selling you the latest units in a blatant and straightfoward way. In addition, I believe is a little silly to say: Pull for the latest unit or else dont complain.
@@lokeras92 good point.
at this point I feel like it's misleading to call Robin niche. If she's lowkey BiS for every archetype beside Break then wouldn't that make her universal? because if she was niche she wouldn't be invalidating Acheron's passive in her new best team (from what i've seen) . i feel like she is so overtuned and game-warping that she really IS a universal support rn thus including her among a list of "niche" characters is just misinformation
Ya she not niche
Bis for FuA only. Worse than Ruan Mei in DoT and Break. Sparkle still better for hypercarries.
@@TerraTheWise Clueless
@@KaJ917 Have yet to be proven wrong
@@TerraTheWise Yeah the Robin glazing has reached a fever pitch in the last few weeks. I have both her and Sparkle and Sparkle is waaay easier to use with better results for hypercarry. Maybe I'd say Robin is BiS in FuA and dual DPS, but most dual DPS teams are already FuA teams anyway. Robin and Ruan Mei are almost at a tie in DoT, which is also a dual DPS team.
What annoys me is that recently people are calling sparkle mid just like how they do with every support or dps character all because sparkle doesn't synergize that well with feixiao like robin does now all of a sudden people wanna call sparkle mid and unusable and irrelevant like just because one harmony character doesn't mix well with every character in the game doesn't make them mid now everyone is saying robin carrys the harmony section like no she doesn't its about preferences people are out here acting like sid from toy story and its annoying bet the same people who are saying robin carrys the harmony section will be the same ones to call her mid 2 to 3 banners down the line all because she won't synergize well with a new busted unit bunch of brain rot kids.
Sparkle was the third best pull in penacony, robin and averentine were the first and second. The only reason why ppl doompost her is because they want to justify not pulling her. The other ones like acheron a ff are dps chars so they aren't as good.
@@AlwaysThirstysEh you can knock Aventurine down to 3rd. Sustains are the least important member of a team. If you aren’t playing follow up he’s an easy skip.
JQ isn't that niche tho.
He works w/ FuA. He works w/ debuff archetype. He works w/ hypercarry (you still need bronya, sparkle, or tingyun w/ him). He's actually designed primarily for DoT. He basically only doesn't work with Break (at least not like Ruan Mei).
Vuln is very hard to find and he'll always a purpose. I actually think he's going to be powercrept by other niche nihility units and he'll fall off because he's too much of a generalist, not because he's niche.
Sometimes i do regret pulling Acheron because I don’t really like her character all that much but it didn’t mess up my boothill pulls I’ll probably wait for another aoe dps and use my jingliu because I just like her more, I’ll still use her for electric weak enemies but that’s about it (also I pray for a jingliu indirect buff they gave her nothing since she dropped 🙏)
Wait for Feixiao... she'll be a new Wind DPS to your roster. Even though she's a Hunt (Single-Target) character, she's probably going to be the best to deal with Wind Weakness enemies. Jingliu isn't bad, she's just in a tight spot with the previous content being catered towards other elements/archetypes. If you're waiting for another AoE DPS, we won't be getting one for a long time since we already have so many. Unless you're pulling for Jiaoqiu, he counts as an AoE DPS.
@@generalsaverngild I’ll wait because sadly I don’t have any unites that help feix and I mean none and when I pull for characters I want them to feel complete and I want to use them with there complete teams but maybe I can use my sparkle but besides that I have no FUA units and I don’t plan on pulling them there all uninteresting to me (hot take). FU is cool but not the characters besides Feixiao
@@Opprite I get what you mean, don't worry about it.
@@generalsaverngild thank you for understanding
Are you cooking a Hunt march 7 vid or not, iam waiting for it 😊😊
But I feel like a lot of people are under the misconception that Robin is strictly a follow up support meanwhile she is the best support for any crit and atk scaler
actually sparkle is better for argenti, danheng, danheng il, jingyuan, qinque and seele. Ruanmei is bis for jingliu, all break team and dot, xueyi himeko super break, danheng being an overall good unit for all teams and acheron. Robin is bis in all fua teams. So robin isn't always the best option.
@@AlwaysThirstysall those you mentioned in the first half are hyper carries and with the exception of QQ and seele who prefer mono quantum hyper carry requires TWO harmonies hence sparkle and robin will always be the go to choices and also Robin is better with jingliu than Ruan Mei search it up
This video really makes sense. I started playing HSR Dec 18. I watched a lot of content creator's analysis during that time about releasing Characters and added my own preferences (Granted I am really a gamer and have higher than average IQ). My pulls ever since I played where Ruan Mei E1, Dr. Ratio's LC, Black Swan, Acheron E1S1(tried E2 but lost 50/50), Firefly E0, Ruan Mei's LC (for HMC to use). Also, ever since April I could clear 3* all MoC, PF, AS that released as a total f2p. So for me this game is very easy since I'm cleaing content without spending a cent. I just need to focus on Acheron team and Firefly team and I don't have to pull for anything ever! since they ignore elemental toughness
If only I started later lol. Well I can't do that now. I can't refund the amount of characters I have and I'm not someone who could save jades for around 6-8 months. I'm truly glad that at least someone was able to clear the hardest content while starting out like almost half a year in.
Should I built my E3 Xuyei? Idk if i should invest in Xuyei but after the release of HMC and March 7 hunt, i wanted to build her as my second team.dps. I don't have mei so the team would be Xueyi, HMC, gahllager, and March 7th
I do have a somewhat built Dr Ratio, but i dont have the best debuffers so his team would be Dr Ratio, guinafen, Gahllager, and Tingyin/Bronya/Hanya.
Im curious on who to invest in cause I don't wanna waste resources. Btw my first team dps is acheron E0S1, pela, Fu xuan and gunaifen
I kinda like specialized supports , they make each team feel special, its like building an actual team , if your team has special synergy with each of the team members (sort of like quadratic scaling where every team member strengthens the hole team and the team strengthens that member back so on and so forth) heck one of my dream is for HSR to add character combo ults !
(For explaination : imagen you have two charcters which have interacted heavily in the lore, think bronya and seele , blade and danhung , aventurine and topaz/ratio , acheron and black swan or aventurine aswell (its like the voicelines when you add charcters to the party), you can use the energy for both ultimates to make one combined ultimate that combines both kits)
TL;DR : two charcters who know eachother can form a combined ultimate which does an increase amount of dmg.
But yeah , even tho it might suck to gather all these charcters , I feel it makes pulling them even more satisfying !
there was a situation with yae miko where they tried to change her skill's targeting cuz it wasn't working properly originally, but it didn't work so they reverted that change and just fixed the bug that was originally causing her skill's targeting to not work properly which is good because that bug was impacting so many other characters too. took them long enough to fix that auto-targeting bug. lol
I don’t believe the idea that people pulled e2 Acheron because they were lazy and didn’t want to build nihility characters. They wanted e2 for more options. And E2 allows you to have a better performing Acheron. Until JQ releases the best performance we are getting out of E2+ Acheron is Sparkle/Robin and Pela.
I always feel like I'm not exactly who you are talking to when you make points like this. But, I'm pretty used to it by now, since I really probably am not. Like, take this apoc for instance, I got 3888 + 3882 with Firefly + Ruan Mei + Asta + HMC and Jingliu + Robin + Bronya + Pela. If you don't view supports as a one slot factor in teams, the value of getting multiple supports to act as tools to enable specific rotations rings true. Asta was an improvement over Gallagher in Node 1 with some tinkering in the rotation due to her speed buff and having an extra character to have a valuable Harmony LC slot. Bronya pairs amazingly with Robin, allowing her to ult early, and synergizes with Jingliu perfectly. And, due to the 100% advance factor, I was able to do the Jingliu -> Bronya -> Jingliu rotation with attack boots On Jingliu, ignoring speed. Pela was the ideal teammate for this comp to help with toughness reduction and improve Jingliu's AoE damage which was important to rush the adds which is what determines the break which is what determines the score.
Sustains are optional. They always have been. When you factor that in, the value supports can bring expands to the point where you kind of want multiple of these extremely powerful supports, in which, yeah, certain synergies will make one more appealing than the other in specific situations, which is good. I don't think a game needs to pigeonhole supports to get them to sell well. I think a lot of people are going to get good support units regardless. I think it's good when supports are really strong, because when you have a bunch of really strong supports, they can compete with one another for spots when looking to optimize runs. As more limited harmony units come out, I feel like it's going to be a certainty that there will be situations where it is the best to use, and situations where it may be better to use another options depending on the fight and team. There are niche aspects to limited supports right now, just they are just universally good on top of that. It really is just the best of both worlds which I think is a good move. It's good for both us and them. It just means you really probably should get particularly powerful limited harmony supports. They are high value units, and I think that's okay.
I think its fair to say what is better for f2pers vs business vs fun gameplay etc but I think you missed a few things or maybe you just glossed over it because I've seen you say some of this yourself in other videos too. Most players want their investment (time, materials, pulls) to have a certain level of longevity (they want to feel the investment was 'worth it'). Universal units meet this obviously and it gives us the peace of mind that I have this area of the meta packed away and can then invest elsewhere, preferably on a character I like (aesthetically and probably personality wise). If the new character doesn't give us the same peace of mind that once I'm done investing, I can look into other areas and instead will likely have a bunch of characters to invest needed to fill the team in order to get decent results, then I'm looking at significant investment commitment over longer period of time. This commitment is at odds with the gacha FOMO. We don't know when the next Acheron or Ruan Mei is coming and every character gets hyped up to heavens by some people and doom posted into hell by others. It makes the commitment risky and difficult to justify, especially if you don't have a lot of characters and meta characters to work with.
If you do have a meta character/team to work with. You can brute force a lot of content and get decent clears for more pulls. If you don't have this then where you should be investing and where you want to be investing is probably already at odds with each other. This makes these decisions less fun. Seeing banner after banner of new characters and "I want/kind of want/don't want this character but they won't help me right now..." sucks. But the reality is that if you never pull, you will also never get to a point you have a comfortable selection of characters to work with. Especially the E6 4*, the E5 4* LCs that are best in slot F2P options that can be a huge deal when filling gaps.
F2Pers and low spenders have limited resources. Making a bad decision can be costly in terms of efficiency and really diminish some of the fun. Seeing a character who we know will be a high impact improvement for our account only to have missed it due to lack of resources is a complete bummer feeling. This leads to saving and scrutinizing every character and LC in detail. It leads to less pulls and putting up with our current teams that are likely not the flavour of the month (getting the most of the turbulences in MoC/PF etc). This is a gacha game. Pulling is part of the fun and we're fighting fomo on all sides. Missing this character. Missing the next.
What a lot of players would benefit from is clear goals for their accounts. A deeper understanding of their current assets and how to best utilize them. Some introspection on how they like to play, where they should give concessions and where they need to be strict.
For me, I like turn manipulations so I get to do more things. I like to have mini goals in combat other than damage (acheron debuff counter, kafka dot stacking before going boom, triggering fua chains, break that meter etc). I want to pull characters I like so in order to do more of this I try to make the teams I already have as robust as possible. I recognise I'll unlikely be able to get full clears of moc but I'm fine with 11/12 and the occasional 10/12 etc. To me, I'm still having fun this way and when I compare with streamers I focus on how to make my team better and not how to imitate them per se, quite often it comes down to relic sub stat luck. The entire game/genre is about tempting you to pull so we're constantly thinking of compromise in resource allocations. Know where your line is and be comfortable with mistakes. Focus on goals and what makes things fun rather than regrets and failures to clear or whatever. I pick up supports more often because they seem to be more useful if I can swap them into different teams. DPS characters fall into more niche in how they work. Hyper carry. Dot. FuA. Break. There are differences in each, sure, but generally speaking a support can work in it to some degree while forcing a dot into fua might not be as suitable for example.
Universal buffers is a good concept and it should be noted. That does not mean that it should be implemented as "supports excelling in every team". It's more like, "How many times do I use this support over another?" So it's more towards building a team that can be used more often than another. That's what I mean by "universal buffers".
The funny part with Black Swan & Ruan Mei was that I pulled them because I liked their appearance. I didn't expect them to be the strongest team comps I'm using. I would never go for an eidolon unless it's something that improves the overall damage by a huge margin. It has to transition from 500k to 1 million within the second eidolon or else I'm not pulling for eidolons.
Any team comps that are outside of the most efficient ones are extras. Here's an example, Acheron, Ruan Mei, Sparkle & Robin. It's only for fun and should not be used outside of fun. I know it's not the absolute best but it's the funniest shit in my opinion. Don't cook yourself by saying that supports shouldn't shared. They can in fact be shared and it's ideally for fun.
Says HSR is a meta driven game but I still use my beautiful king Argenti in all 3 endgame content even though Prydwen does him dirty every new version 😭
My 160 spd sparkle has supported my e6 acheron from the beginning
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imagine if Iyo actually saw the patch where Acheron's E4 no longer gives her a stack when a new wave of enemies come into field
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I agree, I like having to build teams. I disliked how in Genshin almost no matter what I did, no team performed better than my Raiden National team. Like I build other teams and it still wasn’t as easy and good as that team.
In HSR I have my KafkaBS DOT team, my Acheron Debuffs team, my Firefly Break team and my Jingliu ice team. And now I have even been using a Xueyi and Hunt M7 Break team and it’s working pretty well. I lack Topaz, Robin and Aventurine, so I don’t really have a FUA team, but maybe someday I will, and that is pretty cool. Also, I like getting characters that can take the place of others, like I want a Gallager or Ruan Mei equivalent so I can do two break teams some day, that would be cool too. So I agree. My only problem is that I don’t like the new fox guy enough to pull even if he is amazing for my Acheron team or something, but I guess I will make do for now.
I personally like the fact that characters have niches that they slot into. It gives them an identity and somewhere to go without adding to the powercreep, whereas when a character is universal, they seem to either powercreep the game or they fail to find a place anywhere.
That being said, I think people overestimate how necessary most characters are to team comps. I have a tall waifu only account, so I've skipped some pretty strong characters, and I still have full cleared all the endgame modes since launch, I just have to work within the restraints I have. There are plenty of alternatives to best in slot characters, and even though they're worse, they're still plenty good enough get the job done.
I think that you make a lot of very good points. I would also like to say, they SHOULD do balance patches. Simply put, there is no actual reason for Yanqing to have the restriction that he has. And even if you removed those restrictions, he would still be a subpar Hunt DPS. And short of giving him his own premium light cone that specifically compensates for his drawbacks, there is nothing that can really be done about it. Every Follow-up or Hunt focused relic set that is released will still be better on every other unit that meets the requirements. I think they can safely do balance changes without nerfing anything currently in the game. Even Firefly, who is several levels of headscratching design, isn't really any better or worse than Acheron for example. But characters who have dated design philosophies should get some attention.
Yanqing - I already talked about him, but remove his stance drop and up the chance of proccing his follow-up.
Blade - Blade can probably be addressed with a dedicated premium Harmony support. But really his issue is his scaling. Because his damages scales almost entirely on HP, none of the current supports help him, beyond giving him more turns.
Arlan - needs better scaling
Serval - I am not sure Serval can be helped. Give her a 5 Star.
And a lot of characters do have compensation built in to their Eidolons. But unless they start adding 1.X characters to the 50/50, a lot of them will never be pulled for over a new character.
Summoned for Robin literally only becaus she sings had no FUA team really made for so she was kind of a throwaway until now Feixiao is about to release and Robin boots her effectiveness tremendously lol... Gotta say tho building multiple teams is more fun than the Hyper Carry set ups I like to have options just me personally
You mentioning an AOE bleed character made me imagine a tall dark character like death from puss'n boots that uses a sythe and gives them a specific weakness to make bleed stronger. Wouldn't that be so cool
I definitely agree with this. I haven't played Genshin regularly since back in the Nahida days, but even when I do play and pull a character, there's about a 90% chance I'm putting the character on a team with Zhong Li and Xianling, whom I've had for like ever. That's part of the reason it's hard for me to pick Genshin back up - well, that and as soon as I hear Paimon's annoying ass voice again... lol. And even though Starrail has these niche characters, I still find myself brute forcing most content with my tried and true teams. No one is really necessary to pull after you've heavily invested into a team or two.
I don’t mind the more niche character. That can make team building more interesting and in best cases buff some older characters as well.
What worries me is that Hoyo continues their strategy of picking a favourite waifu each patch who gets all the love and a completely broken overpowered kit. And then release characters that are just add-ons to her, niche without any other use. Just “Collect the whole set”
(Already if you didn’t pull for Acheron or firefly, you’re probably struggling a bit. At least if you’re a more casual player.)
I like that we have different team archetypes that can be built with multiple characters. Some are more meta but there’s still wiggle room to pick your own teams.
I don’t want to be basically forced to pull the latest Hoyo nepobaby and then the characters they designated for her. Instead of team building we get a shopping list.
From what we seen in the past more niche characters tend to seem underwhelming on release but as more units come out, they tend to pop off like Topaz for example
I do agree that hyper carry is bad for the game but right now the main teams are break, Acheron and FUA. I was happy that feixaio was potentially gonna be a hyper carry unit but they just changed her kit to be more FUA dependent. FUA, and break don't need anymore help. Acheron, dot and hypercarry needs help (all Acheron need now is a sustain unit). Added freeze support and summon type play style.
well yeah cause not all of us can play time game like a full time job
Niche vs Universal isn't bad until Hoyo overtunes a character. Ruan Mei can go in almost any team, but she probably shouldn't be the *best* support for most of the teams. She should be the best support for break teams while also being a "fine" option for other teams while you wait to fill her spot with a specialist like Robin or JQ.
I actually really like the direction they are taking the game (aka making tons of team archetypes and filling them in with premium characters that fill their role really well). It lets players choose a playstyle they like and really feel like their teams are powerful, even with some F2P friendly units thrown in. The separate endgame modes make this feel even better, as most teams will continue to be useful in some content.
Robin is one of the LEAST niche characters in the game!
I gave up being meta slave after Acheron, my motivation in this game isn't as strong like before where i push for max star in MOC. Now im happy clearing Stage 8 and can clear higher if im not lazy enough hahahahhaha. Btw dps i have is JL, DhIL e2, Acheron e2. I also have Sparkle and RM e2 with Robin. Now im just playing coz of story.
Is he worth it if you have E2 acheron or is it more worth it to get feixiao and her light cone
I have firefly as well
And have all the five star harmony characters but don't have topaz and adventurine
Yes
@@bones377jiaoqiu or fiexiao and light cone which one
@@Acheron-is-the-goatyes.
But seriously depends on your account and what team archetypes are your main.
Because acheron- her own, firefly - break and feixiao is fua. They all are for different team archetypes.
30% vulnerability with high uptime and 15% Ult damage amp is pretty solid.
If you need another character for DoT/fire coverage/extra damage/multi-dps he's pretty good. If you don't need any of that then skip. (I'm skipping for FeiXiao and Lingsha)
@@islamsalimzhanov4399 yeah true so many different teams one would probably take the bench
niche support is the best, this is like i want my harmony become all out support to my FuA team, i dont need break efficiency, i dont need energy regen, i dont need ultimate damage vulnerabillity, i just need my FuA deal a TON of damage and make my FuA team go fluid thats why i use Robin in my FuA team
thats why a company recruit an enginer master to work at enginer department and they recruit economic master to work at economic department in office
I think Genshin has power creep too though. Although instead of DPS it's mostly supports. Xingqiu with Yelan and Furina, Sucrose with Kazuha, Fischl with Yae, Dendro MC with Nahida and now possibly both Bennett and Xiangling for the Pyro Archon. The problem I have with star rail is that the "Meta" of DPS always shifts in favor of the ones who are on the banner just to chase sales. You're point in Universality being negative is actually quite true. Being universal means that a unit has to fit everything but if they fit everything then there's no point in getting other units. Genshin has the advantage to game new playstyles but so far Star Rail has way too many copy pastes so it kinda makes it hard to justify getting another DPS.
Do you think I can use Jq on some hypercarry teams too? I used to have pela with seele before I got robin
He's basically just a better and more comfortable Pela for a Hypercarry team, his only not as ideal if the team already has def shred, as def shred gets multiplied on itself, so each percentage gets more valuable the higher it is, vulnerability is better in lower capacity around the 70%, if you have 70% def shred or more it will increase more DMG, but less than 70% def shred is worse than less than 70% vulnerability.
So overall the answer is yes, specially for Ratio Hypercarry, or Argenti.
At least it keeps the game entertaining. You want the new character and try a whole new team and get hype for a character even if the no new story content.
Only thing thats suck is that when a characters complete your fav team but you don't like its design. Jiaoqiu, personally, is an example of this.
I quit genshin because except for dendro, my teams were the same forever. Then i had like 3 to 5 patches expecting nothing only doing mini games.
I wish I knew what they were doing with the complete lack of ice element though, holy molyyyy.
As a person who pulled all the limited harmony characters. I can say is HARMONY IS META
As someone who plays E7, yes very much.
Can we get a Niche support for Hp scalers like Blade in the future :3 Give my boy some more love thanks hoyo
Aventurine is my himbo, so glad he's a universal support 😂 this man broke my game, literally everything is easy mode lmao
It is only me that does not like to have the same character on two different teams? i want and love Niche characters.
Bro and the audience hes fostered be like niches are good. Unless you're sparkle then you're literally the worst harmony in the game unless its dhil.
idk when you put a unit out and you need 3 premium 5 stars to make them work it's like crazy to me
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The Jiaoqiu complain kinda crazy but i can understand. It kinda like back when Topaz first introduced. I love her so much but at the time she doesn't really have a team she can truly fit and I'm kinda sad. But look at her now, part of the big 3 team
i had a dream during robins banner that i should e6 her. here i am now, robin-less, regretting life choices and still f2p 💀
What do you mean Robin is niche. Even if we assume that Robin only function in FUA team she still isn't a niche support because 80% of HSR DPSs have access to FUA 😂😂
@@pooyayaddasht2419 11/29 is not 80%. 💀 That’s 37.93% to be exact, which is less than half here.
@@Iyoverse my bad 😭 but that wasn't the point 13 dps (15 next patch) are FUA and can get benefit from her(expect blade 💀), that is not niche
@@pooyayaddasht2419 So 13/29 still isn’t half. Niche isn’t relative to a specific number, it’s just the definition of being specialized. Which she is, y’know?
The caveat is she’s so dang strong that she benefits damn near everyone else passively. Lol
@@Iyoverse well then that just means all supports maybe with exception of Pela are "niche".
Jiaoqi can negative edge, gooning and rizzing so I think he can be considered as future proof too.
i wanted sparkle for my DHIL (e0s1) and to help my seele (e1 but dont rly use her tho) cuz i thought sparkle was good. but i know robin would help my clara, pf team, and eventually when i get the follow up team. should i pull sparkle or wait for robin… still dont know if jiaoqiu is a must pull or not
14:28 i have e0s0 acheron on my alt acc and she's great so their excuses to pull for e2 ain't that good lmao i don't like using pela bc she doesn't stack crimson knots fast enough for me so i want to replace her but that's not the reason i want e2s1 bc putting in a harmony means stacking them just as fast as i do now i wanna get jiaoqiu and acheron's e2 so i can get plenty of ults plus nihility in general is so fun to play with those are the reasons to go for e2 as a f2p not "i refuse to build anyone other than a new dps" you shouldn't have pulled for acheron if you're not going build supports for her even if she's left at e0s0 you still shouldn't pull if you don't want to build nihility supports like jiaoqiu, pela, sw, etc
Im pulling for lingsha because people are doubting her just like they did to aventurine/acheron before their release
Im putting bets that hoyo has more plans to make acheron even better or straight up make a better archeron (tingyun expy ykykykykyk)
I'll take niche characters every day of the week. Do find it funny how people shat on Robin only to realize later just how strong her kit is. She's the 5* Bennet of star rail and people didn't realize that.
Seems to me like JQ is a straight power creep over Guinafen. Unless I'm missing something completely?
No one except Speedrunners are using sucrose at this point, Xinqxiu has fallen off now that both Furina and Yelan have been out, Bennet and/or XL have to fall off (not cope) once the Pyro archon is released. Fischl will be the last 4 star standing trust.
8:48 💀 we, the epic seven community, do not believe that. They take forever to nerf overpowered characters or simply sell you a limited or ML unit to counter the meta. It's been a toxic meta for the last 3 years with a good chunk of those characters staying the same. They rarely nerf limited or ML characters if ever because they're the most exclusive characters in the game. Hwayoung is an example of a regular 5 star that remained untouched for i believe 4-6 months and didn't have a rerun until the month her nerf got announced. ML Lilias and ML Landy haven't been nerfed since they released a year+ ago.
IMO Lingsha and Jiaoqiu is different case than Robin, Lingsha and Jiaoqiu is not a dedicated support to an archtype, they are a dedicated support to a character
So if that char is not meta anymore their dedicated support become useless. There is no "debuff-needs" archtype in HSR, nor "fire-break" archtype
"Here's another support that works with everything" is basically saying "Here's a new skin for your support character(s)." Why would I pull for x different supports if the only thing that makes them unique for my account is how they look and their animations and what their role in the story is? Gimme 2, maybe 3, and I'm good to go for the rest of the game... or at least a few years in, until a major power creep forces me to pull for new ones. That would be a horrible business decision for Hoyo. And it would kill the fun of building and perfecting teams... and I'm saying that as a free to play... 😂
I think what matters is how many teams a character is bis in. Ruan mei is bis in less teams then Robin. You could argue that makes her worse. Hell, Jiaoqiu is bis in more teams than Ruan mei, albiet he's also a generalist just like her. Niche my ass, you can throw that man in any teams. He's just bis in a select few
Robin thinks she’s apart of the niche supports club
0 cycler spotted. clearing faster is not everything 🔥
@@BailuGaminghe's saying robin isn't niche
I haven't followed Jiaoqiu much but is he really niche? I thought he was supposed to be a 5* Pela, so doesn't that make him a good alternative for other teams like DoT or Hypercarry? Robin doesn't seem to be niche. I thought she gave similar numbers as Ruan Mei when it came to Kafka/Swan teams, and obviously she's much stronger in FUA. Lingsha doesn't seem to be niche either - as an abundance her main role is healing and cleanse which she looks to do really well at, and her additional bonuses benefit both break and FUA.
If we consider the five main styles as hypercarry, debuff/DoT, superbreak, and FUA, is any unit that's strong in two of these categories and usable in at least one of the others really niche? Rather than call these characters niche, it would be better to describe them as universal with a particular specialty.
You compared Ruan Mei to Asta in break teams at around 5 minutes - it's not that Asta is less niche than RM, but rather Asta is just less powerful than RM. Even in a non-break team, you'd rather use Ruan Mei over Asta in 90%+ of situations.
The only case where these supports would be considered niche is when Mihoyo raises the MoC/PF/AS difficulty so high that you need the correct 'niche' unit alongside the right DPS to clear the endgame content.
Pulling E2 Acheron to avoid the nihility dependency makes me laugh a bit. I pulled Acheron without her light cone and now I don't bother to use her most of the time because her damage is ass because farming for crit gear is the worst thing ever.
I have acheron E0S0, firefly with full break team, and a fully invested robin but don't have topaz or aventurine, is it still worth to pull for feixiao, pull for Jiaoqiu, or save for lingsha
I feel like Acheron is decently flexible with the Nihlity units you can run on her, (i personally don't have Firefly break, so I use ghallager on my acheron team, (kinda not built), and I'm fairly new player, so I mostly use gepard with trend of universal market to stack debuffs, along with Guinaifen and Pela so for Jiaoqiu, unless you're really invested in Acheron, or you don't have any other decent debuffers, then I don't think its the best decision. Lingsha is just ghallager premium, so again, unless you really need a second ghallager, or you really want to maximise on a certain team,(firefly break, since she's built for break teams, but she's a good sustain in general especially with her AoE cleanse, so maybe get her if you have another break team, or just need another healer) but otherwise, probably consider skipping. Finally, with Feixiao, since you have two fully developed teams, getting her is not probably not a necessity, but she can still work in teams without all the premium units, like Moze's kit got buffed, so he'll fit really nicely into her team, and Robin will probably need to be run on this team, and in that case, if you like her playstyle enough, I think go for it, but honestly that goes for everybody here, and imo should always be your first consideration, do you want to play the unit and do you like them enough to be willing to either invest in a good team, or to run them with substitutes for a sub-optimal performance, cuz that's the whole reason we play these games, for fun. Hope this helps, and sorry if this wasn't the opinion you were looking for. PS, good luck with whoever you pull for, and finally, saving for Aventurine might be a good idea as well, since he is very good generic sustain, and adds lots of value to your account, especially if you want to run a follow-up team, Feixiao included.
At first I had a hard time reading bc I'm still learning English, and I guess all of them seem like a decent options for me on my account. I'm still choosing whether I should even go for one of these characters bc I have brute force into endgame content and completed all in just bare minimum. My mistake on my account is the fact that I try to have all the team synergies but in their budget team rather than their focused premium teams. Now I am left 3 of the most valid options which are lingsha bc i don't have two limited supports (using gallagher and huohuo), jiaoqui because my E0 and S0 acheron even with good substats was able to complete all content but in a bare minimum and some few tries, and for feixiao, I'm trying to change to a FUA synergy team because of my second account uses the follow up synergy and completed all endgames easier that my main account. Plus, I have a well invested robin and she's been a lot of help into my account when I was using a hypercarry seele.
@@みっこちやみ 😊thats good to hear, but I don't really think its mistake, everybody has lots of characters/teams they want to play, but I think between all of them, probably go for Feixiao and the follow up synergy team (gotta admit, I'm a little biased since I love follow up attack teams in general) since, that team will likely help from the most investment, rather than spending too much on trying to optimise current teams, since you like playing everything, but if you find one/two teams, that you really like, invest in the support characters first, since they'll be the most helpful, even if your DPS gets power creeped, they'll be useful for the next DPS of that archetype, like for example, Ruan Mei helps break teams, so if Firefly gets power creeped by another break DPS, then you can still use Ruan Mei. I think non-limited sustains (healers/shielders) will still work fine while you are building other teams. If you're focusing on fun, then go for other characters, and if you really want to clear endgame, then yeah, probably pull characters like Jiaoqiu, and Lingsha. Hope this helps your decision, (and sorry if you aren't looking for replies, but if you aren't, then pls say so, cuz this is just friendly advice, since you seem to be a bit unsure)
@@みっこちやみ With an E0S0 Acheron I would go for Jiaoqui, since he alone will boost her up massively and with him in the team Acheron also gains a huge buff in Pure Fiction. If you want a FuA-team, then pulling on Feixiao is probably a good idea, since you will also get Moze that way and he seems to be her best sub-dps / ultimate battery. So that would be 2 birds with one stone... The rest of the team you already have (Robin + Houhou). After that maybe save up for the Aventurine re-run, since he would complete your FuA-team and he is such a strong support, that you can put him in literally any team.
still think universal supports are meta. aventurine, FX, luocha, RM are universal supports which are very useful for literally any account. if we're talking about niche characters, they can be not so useful for new players, for f2p players. they basically needed only if you play specific character which they support, and statistically not every player has this specific character, and not every player, who has this character, will pull for niche support, if they already have a good team for him/her. for example, many people already have pela and silver wolf, and they might save their pulls for some other character.
if you wanna compare it to genshin, shenhe and goro, for example, are rarely used only by dedicated ayaka and itto mains. universal supports, like xingqiu are more valuable.
You can buff or nerf content but being reckless about it is very often a detriment to the game and we are seeing that happen with a game like Helldivers 2. The game was already good when it launched but for some reason the developers decided to mess around with the weapons/support stratagems to the point that the majority of the weapons are no longer fun to use. On top of nerfing everything they increased the difficulty of dealing with the enemy mobs. The developers are literally killing their game with these dumb decisions.
In regards to gacha games you can have a 'universal' team to tackle all the content but having some variety helps the game be healthy. In HSR when the hyper carry teams were the meta, what did Mihoyo do, just add a few extra zeroes to the enemy mobs to make it more difficult for hyper carry to 'one-two shot'. They didn't nerf the hyper carry team, they just made what they were good at more difficult to deal with. I do think Mihoyo needs to balance between 'artificially' increasing difficulty and designing content that caters to every playstyle.
drop a 5 star dot support 😭
I'm saying, right!?
People would just complain about it saying if you don't pull Kafka and Black Swan they are useless, not worth 180 pulls, Ruan Mei is better or whatever other kind of cope they make to convince themselves to not pull a character.
Ruan Mei basically is the premium dot support. Like what do you even change to help dot even more? Besides maybe making her apply a dot or smth?
@@legobrick521productions3Maybe a character that both gives energy and a dot or defense shred maybe. Being able to consistently have ultimate to stack either Black Swan Arcana or continuously pop with Kafka might be neat. Or at least fun.
I some what disagree because people can update the meta by just playing different teams. I also think that everything being universal just means more/faster powercreep, but I disagree somewhat with your reasoning that people won't pull for new characters.
🎶😲DOT the money, power respect! The Last one is better
Just appreciating the clickbait tier at the thumbnail
maybe because one day we will be able to negative edge in hsr