You said something in the very beginning of the video that really stuck with me: "What's good?" And that really made me think. What is good? Everyone talks about good melee, but what makes melee good? What does playing good mean? Is it just good when I win? This started out as a joke but now I'm really spiraling about why I play this game. Anyway - loving the content! Good stuff!
20:18 I find myself doing dash -> shorthop -> shine -> waveland (a triangle jump I guess, like a slow JC shine) in situations similar to this in my Fox/FD combo route, in the percent range where grounded shine no longer hits, but the timing on uptilt would be tight.
For the first part with contesting fox on the ledge that managed to recover/dodge the edgeguard I tend to 'accept the loss' and move either to ledgedash grab range and bait him out Or go for a side platform on the inside so shielddrop/shieldpush-off bair/shine is available As iirc the double jump waveland on side plat from the ledge is not fully invincible so inner side of a platform seemed nice to me This way one can still keep pressure, but more so in the corner than on/around the ledge Granted 'moving up the spacing' from 'around ledge' to 'around centerstage side of a platform' does give more mixups and considerations for both players as I'm giving the fox time and space But rather do that and defend there, than to try and shine oos or smth around the ledge
which top tiers do you think you could keep applying pressure to at the ledge? i feel like i have to treat shiek the same as fox but idk if im approaching the pressure incorrectly
How does the gathering info thing at the beginning of the match work if the fox is powershielding the laser? Do you focus on what they do right after the powershield?
Yeah of course. There’s laser patterns that deal with powershield from full screen really well but them attempting to always powershield is good info you can use to potentially trick them with high lasers, late lasers etc
At higher percents you can fair into nair sometimes dtilt. Mid% I try jab jc shine or grab off the fair but sometimes they can tech (I may just be bad/option is bad) uair and utilt are prob better most of the time tho
really liked this vid - very practical and applicable :) thanks kalindi!
You said something in the very beginning of the video that really stuck with me:
"What's good?"
And that really made me think. What is good? Everyone talks about good melee, but what makes melee good? What does playing good mean? Is it just good when I win? This started out as a joke but now I'm really spiraling about why I play this game. Anyway - loving the content! Good stuff!
You good?
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Thanks Goat 🙏
20:18
I find myself doing dash -> shorthop -> shine -> waveland (a triangle jump I guess, like a slow JC shine) in situations similar to this in my Fox/FD combo route, in the percent range where grounded shine no longer hits, but the timing on uptilt would be tight.
For the first part with contesting fox on the ledge that managed to recover/dodge the edgeguard
I tend to 'accept the loss' and move either to ledgedash grab range and bait him out
Or go for a side platform on the inside so shielddrop/shieldpush-off bair/shine is available
As iirc the double jump waveland on side plat from the ledge is not fully invincible so inner side of a platform seemed nice to me
This way one can still keep pressure, but more so in the corner than on/around the ledge
Granted 'moving up the spacing' from 'around ledge' to 'around centerstage side of a platform' does give more mixups and considerations for both players as I'm giving the fox time and space
But rather do that and defend there, than to try and shine oos or smth around the ledge
which top tiers do you think you could keep applying pressure to at the ledge? i feel like i have to treat shiek the same as fox but idk if im approaching the pressure incorrectly
How does the gathering info thing at the beginning of the match work if the fox is powershielding the laser? Do you focus on what they do right after the powershield?
Yeah of course. There’s laser patterns that deal with powershield from full screen really well but them attempting to always powershield is good info you can use to potentially trick them with high lasers, late lasers etc
At higher percents you can fair into nair sometimes dtilt. Mid% I try jab jc shine or grab off the fair but sometimes they can tech (I may just be bad/option is bad) uair and utilt are prob better most of the time tho
Those could be good