Why The United States Has Two Dakotas: North Dakota and South Dakota

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    The United States has two Dakotas: North Dakota and South Dakota. But while these are two completely separate states each with their own state governments, two U.S. senators, and representative in Congress, there's nothing really all that natural or cultural that necessitated the area be split into two. Here's why the formerly single Dakota territory was split into two separate states.
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  • @hannabaal150
    @hannabaal150 Год назад +916

    A farm in North Dakota was right on the southern border,
    and when a new survey showed the farm was
    actually in South Dakota, the farmer said,
    "Well, the winters will be milder."

    • @arribaficationwineho32
      @arribaficationwineho32 Год назад +28

      Love this!

    • @rayfordd6152
      @rayfordd6152 Год назад +18

      😂😂 I’m a few miles north of the border in ND. Very funny!

    • @emptyhand777
      @emptyhand777 Год назад +58

      I heard it different. An old widow lived alone on her farm just south of the 49th parallel. Surveyors came one day and told her the farm may be in Canada. After the survey was completed, the surveyors told her the property was still in ND.
      The old woman was relieved and said, thank goodness, I heard those Canadian winters were really cold.

    • @jsl151850b
      @jsl151850b Год назад +5

      @@emptyhand777 I may FB this,

    • @JH-wk9gw
      @JH-wk9gw Год назад +8

      As a North Dakotan Fargo and grand forks can be annexed my Minnesota any time plz

  • @gumbyshrimp2606
    @gumbyshrimp2606 Год назад +1386

    They need to set aside their differences and combine into one state with a new name: NorthSouth

    • @maple9706
      @maple9706 Год назад +51

      The great northern plain state lmao

    • @kaymish6178
      @kaymish6178 Год назад +72

      Don't they usually take the first half of the first name then combine it with the second part of the second name making North Dakota.

    • @djrom66
      @djrom66 Год назад +29

      Or just keep the original name…..the Dakota Territory.

    • @hfjjor3681
      @hfjjor3681 Год назад +64

      @@djrom66 Or just DAKOTA.

    • @spddiesel
      @spddiesel Год назад +56

      Naw, stay two Dakotas, but split it into East and West Dakota. Or Dakota and West Dakota, like the Virginias.

  • @markko17
    @markko17 Год назад +606

    Not so much in North Dakota, but South Dakota is bisected almost exactly in the middle by the Missouri River. Having been born and raised in Rapid City, people in South Dakota still refer to things as "East River" or "West River", so it might have actually made more sense to have "East Dakota" and "West Dakota" instead of north and south.

    • @GlacialErratic
      @GlacialErratic Год назад +15

      Amen brother

    • @dmc9791
      @dmc9791 Год назад +9

      i grew up west river in gregory am now in yankton

    • @BucksBirdBarn
      @BucksBirdBarn Год назад +29

      In a lot of ways, east river has more in common with eastern ND and even southwestern Manitoba than it does with west river.

    • @ckkmanltj
      @ckkmanltj Год назад +10

      Go West River!

    • @thomaslove6494
      @thomaslove6494 Год назад +10

      I visited rapid city for work several years ago... It was at a cement plant.....I loved it... I can't remember the casino I would visit after my shift but it was pretty cool and it was awesome how coming into rapid city you could see the whole city down in a valley surrounded by mountains and hills....

  • @Euthenon
    @Euthenon Год назад +327

    Even while split up, the Dakota’s are immense states, South Dakota alone is almost the size of Great Britain.

    • @brokkrep
      @brokkrep Год назад +58

      But less population than the city of Cologne/Köln.

    • @stickynorth
      @stickynorth Год назад +25

      Just like Saskatchewan just above it... 1.0 million people in a huge area... Same climate, same ethnic mix essentially of Germanic immigrants and indigenous peoples... Personally I think Saskatchewan and Manitoba should merge into Saskitoba with a combined population of 2.3 million... But as an Albertan, that's just me wanting to address some political shortchanging that ALWAYS happens here...

    • @JPJ432
      @JPJ432 Год назад +18

      @@stickynorth Alberta and Saskatchewan should join the US. Whether combined to make 1 state or 2 I believe together we could form a better Union. Canada is so far Left and controlled by London I don’t think there is much hope left, but for those 2 provinces to join the US I believe there is more hope for the US.
      Note: I don’t say Manitoba as I don’t think London and Ontario will let them go and give the US access to the Hudson Bay. Wouldn’t hurt either to have some of the Northern Territories though to create a railroad from Alberta to Alaska!

    • @MortonT1958
      @MortonT1958 Год назад +14

      @@JPJ432What does London, UK have to do with controlling Canada except as a member of the Commonwealth?
      The UK is on the verge of losing Scotland. That is more than enough to concern themselves with. Their influence on Canada, anyway, especially in the Prairies is negligible.

    • @3dbee47
      @3dbee47 Год назад +5

      @@MortonT1958 Maybe they meant London, canada

  • @scottgould6590
    @scottgould6590 Год назад +152

    Now I need to know why there are two Carolinas (and why the north one is significantly larger than the south).

    • @MrJgray1319
      @MrJgray1319 Год назад +23

      They were never a territory, more of a province under the British throne before the revolution. This history is on Wikipedia and some older South Carolina text books.

    • @christineperez7562
      @christineperez7562 Год назад +20

      There were 8 nobel royal's of England that had claimed Carolina. They split the land up because the 8 didn't get along.
      People also ask
      Who were the 8 nobles who founded South Carolina?
      This charter issued by King Charles II of England proposed the formation of the Lords Proprietors and gave the lands of Carolina to the eight proprietors: the Earl of Clarendon, Duke of Albemarle, Lord Craven, Lord Berkeley, Lord Ashley, Sir George Carteret, William Berkeley and Sir John Colleto

    • @alvexok5523
      @alvexok5523 Год назад +7

      That's what I thought when seeing the title of this video, if we're asking why there's both a North and South Dakota, we should also ask why there's a North and South Carolina. And also, why is there a Virginia and West Virginia

    • @AO968
      @AO968 Год назад +20

      ​@@alvexok5523 The Virginia split was because of the Civil War. Or rather, the events leading up to it.
      Virginia seceded from the Union to form the Confederacy, but the people in the northwest area didn't approve of this and eventually (roughly 2 years later) voted to secede from Virginia and apply for statehood, which was granted soon after.
      They're the only state that "switched sides", having joined the Union after its ratification into statehood.

    • @alvexok5523
      @alvexok5523 Год назад +1

      @@AO968 Yes, that's right. It's been many years since I took American history in school and I forgot learning about the Virginia split and other details of the Civil War. And I guess I've never gotten around to googling it either, same with why the Carolinas were split up into North and South, I'll go ahead and google it.

  • @NEVAstopGAMER
    @NEVAstopGAMER Год назад +319

    As a viewer from Rapid City, I still find it odd that they went north-south instead of east-west. the differences are a bit more pronounced going east to west vs north south, especially geographically.

    • @SerunaXI
      @SerunaXI Год назад +20

      West River is absolutely the better half.

    • @jrod264winmag
      @jrod264winmag Год назад +14

      Shout out to Rapid

    • @MnemonicHack
      @MnemonicHack Год назад +5

      Ah, Rapid. I'll move back there eventually.

    • @jrod264winmag
      @jrod264winmag Год назад

      @@MnemonicHack Right, it’s way better than where I moved to. Vancouver WA

    • @SerunaXI
      @SerunaXI Год назад +1

      @@jrod264winmag is it still 20 minutes to get anywhere?

  • @Geek37664
    @Geek37664 7 месяцев назад +3

    The History Guy does a great rundown on why the states split apart. They were ultimately split for political expediency but there’s was a lot of animosity growing between the states with included relocating the territorial capitol from Yankton, SD to Bismarck and that caused a lot of consternation. I think splitting the territory was going to happen no matter what.

  • @the_card_closet
    @the_card_closet Год назад +41

    The biggest attraction in South Dakota is Mount Rushmore. The biggest attraction in North Dakota is the Welcome to South Dakota sign on interstate 29.

    • @gracehalsey3401
      @gracehalsey3401 Год назад +4

      You’re forgetting about the McDonald’s in bismarck - we have fun things too!

    • @AsianPersuation24x7
      @AsianPersuation24x7 Год назад +1

      @@gracehalsey3401 does it have a playplace?

    • @KandyKoatedKrafts
      @KandyKoatedKrafts 6 месяцев назад +2

      I grew up in North Dakota and I completely agree with your comment! 😅

    • @usaresident8181
      @usaresident8181 5 месяцев назад +2

      So not true. North Dakota is beautiful and has been #1 on many lists such as happiest, healthiest, friendliest, hardest working, safest, income opportunities, cost of living, and others. We have some beautiful places up here and the people are very friendly amd kind.

    • @usaresident8181
      @usaresident8181 5 месяцев назад +2

      I have to disagree. North Dakota is beautiful and has been #1 on many lists such as happiest, healthiest, friendliest, hardest working, safest, income opportunities, cost of living, and others. We have some beautiful places up here and the people are very friendly and kind.

  • @vincenthaegebaert1854
    @vincenthaegebaert1854 Год назад +26

    The same thing happened in Canada. We got Saskatchewan and Alberta because Ontario was afraid one new province would become too powerful and threaten Ontario's monopoly on power. (Canada does NOT have a equal representative senate.) So, keep everyone else small to keep Ontario in power.

    • @tysonfontanez
      @tysonfontanez Год назад +4

      A lot that I’ve learned about Canadian history and geography (which is admittedly not much since I’m from the US) seems like it boils down to Ontario and Quebec being petty lol

    • @vincenthaegebaert1854
      @vincenthaegebaert1854 Год назад +3

      @@tysonfontanez It is.🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un
    @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un Год назад +29

    As the Supreme Leader, I'm obligated to say NORTH DAKOTA, BEST DAKOTA! Some North Dakota facts, the world's largest French fry feed is held every year in Grand Forks, during Potato Bowl USA. A new record was set on September 10, 2015, when 5,220 pounds of French fries were served. It is believed to host the geographic center of North America, Rugby, and is home to the tallest man-made structure in the Western Hemisphere, the KVLY-TV mast. It took an act of Congress in the US and Royal Assent in Canada to build the International Peace Garden which is a beautiful symbol of peace and friendship straddling the border of North Dakota and Manitoba. North Dakota is also home to more wildlife refuges (63!) than any other state.

    • @BladeRunner25463c
      @BladeRunner25463c Год назад

      What about the Corn Palace ? 🤠

    • @Tyler14159
      @Tyler14159 Год назад +5

      Don’t forget North Dakota has the world’s largest buffalo and is #2 in oil producing states

    • @dellingson4833
      @dellingson4833 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@Tyler14159 And ND is #2 in Honey production and top 5 in a whole range of products that feed the world. And they just found a MASSIVE rare earth deposit. The find is so rich in minerals to be feasible to commercially mine it must be 300 parts per million. The ND mine is 2,600 per million.

  • @larryroyovitz7829
    @larryroyovitz7829 Год назад +43

    I live in Manitoba Canada, so naturally the most travelled to state for me, is North Dakota. But second, is South Dakota (likely for most Manitobans, second would be Minnesota). I love the Dakotas. I love the prairies.

    • @nozrep
      @nozrep Год назад +6

      yes! where the prairies are still the prairies! I live in south east Texas where prairie meets coastal areas of swamps and forests of SE TX. And there used to be something called the “Katy Prairie” a once vast prairie which was once known as the largest migration area of yall’s snow geese in all of North America. Alas! No longer. Unfortunately because of the massive growth of Houston and surrounding cities, most of the Katy Prairie is now cities and suburbs and subdivisions. Me, I am not a radical environmentalist so I am not opposed at all to people building houses for themselves and moving in… it is just human existence… Yet, also, the hunter and outdoorsman side of me does simultaneously “mourn” or “bemoan” the loss of the once vast Katy Prairie. Fortunately we still have lots of others prairies in TX but not as much as SD or ND or Manitoba!

    • @Zeyev
      @Zeyev Год назад +1

      I went to high school in Minot so our closest big city was Winnipeg. After graduation we moved home to California and I was in line to register for classes at a community college. In the line next to me was a woman from Brandon. Of course we became friends but I have lost touch with her over the decades since. I went back to The Peg in summer 2019; the new museum and the Royal Canadian Mint were two of the highlights of my visit. Oh, one more thing, unlike South Dakota, much of North Dakota drains to the Arctic through Manitoba because of being north of the Laurentian Continental Divide.

    • @larryroyovitz7829
      @larryroyovitz7829 Год назад +2

      @@Zeyev Interesting that you're from Minot. Growing up, I live on a farm in Pierson Manitoba, which is like 20 min from the US border. We used to go shopping in Minot. it was much easier to get across back then, and Minot was closer than Brandon! Winnipeg was a real treat it was the "big" city. Even though it's not all that big.

    • @Zeyev
      @Zeyev Год назад +1

      @@larryroyovitz7829 "From" Minot? Not exactly. My father was in the US Air Force and we lived north of town for 2 years. In those days, the coinage of both countries circulated easily; Canadian paper dollars were valued at 90 cents. The border was not a big deal in the 1960s. According to Google Maps, I was only about an hour away from Pierson. One of my classmates lives in Boissevain and became a Canadian citizen. Another of our classmates was the son of an RCAF officer and lived on the base. I suppose it's more difficult now to have such cross-border friendships.

    • @missano3856
      @missano3856 Год назад +1

      @@Zeyev A tiny portion of SD does drain by the Red.

  • @johnkemp4370
    @johnkemp4370 Год назад +5

    My grandfather was originally a Canadian Army officer/ engineer and road builder for the Canadian government north of there. Circa 1895-1900. My great grandfather owned a bank in Sturgis. He convinced my grandfather to buy the Canadian equipment and move to the Dakotas where he built all of the first graded roads from 1900-1920 in the Dakota territories. He moved to east texas in 1920 and built the first graded road between Shreveport and Athens Texas based in Kilgore where he retired.

  • @kirstensuda5861
    @kirstensuda5861 Год назад +21

    The real reason is the two Dakotas together would be too awesome to behold 🤣(I'm biased, I live in Fargo, North Dakota.)

    • @dejaunajackson7666
      @dejaunajackson7666 Год назад +2

      Agreed! I live in Fargo too! Been here 13 years.

    • @whoisjohngalt4880
      @whoisjohngalt4880 Год назад +2

      No one claims Fargo. We all want it to move to Minnesota where it belongs.

    • @burnthecandleatbothendz
      @burnthecandleatbothendz Год назад +2

      I live in Fargo as well (40 years),but I want to move to Knoxville, im soo done with our winters here

    • @missano3856
      @missano3856 Год назад

      I'm from Fargo originally(Billings now) Kirsten as opposed to Kristen seems only to be common in ND and MN.

    • @lobbyrobby
      @lobbyrobby Год назад

      ​@@whoisjohngalt4880 haha I actually just made that comment on this video

  • @eweccah.k.9996
    @eweccah.k.9996 Год назад +15

    I just visited North Dakota last week (I live up in Manitoba). It was the first time I visited the USA in over 9 years.
    I'm somewhat familiar with the story of why there are two Virginias, but it would be cool to hear you cover that in detail.

    • @cl8804
      @cl8804 Год назад

      try historymatters

  • @jollyrogerq
    @jollyrogerq Год назад +14

    You're opening line had me rolling. You have a new sub. As a fan of geography I'm glad ii found your channel.

  • @homomorphic
    @homomorphic Год назад +38

    One can never have enough Dakotas

    • @DavidM2002
      @DavidM2002 Год назад +1

      One Dakota, two Dakota, three Dakota four...or was that potatoes ?

  • @aaron3763
    @aaron3763 Год назад +21

    Do the Carolinas next!

  • @lucasmetz2403
    @lucasmetz2403 Год назад +56

    A century ago, though, ND and SD politics were quite different. In the 1920s, ND was "full of Communists" and SD was Hoover's most loyal state. Over time, the land has changed the people.

    • @williammerkel1410
      @williammerkel1410 Год назад

      Calling it communism is not being historically accurate, the non-partisan league was a populist movement unique to North Dakota in order to fight back against out-of-state interests looking to extract money and resources from the state at the expense of its people, which is why it has the only state-run bank and grain mill in the country despite being solidly center-right, it's the same reason why it is the only state to not require voter registration.

    • @lucasmetz2403
      @lucasmetz2403 Год назад +6

      @@williammerkel1410 I definitely understand. It was not Communism, but many conservatives of the day thought it was, hence the quotation marks. I actually adapted the quote from a 1946 book on US geography. Thanks for pointing that out!

    • @Schlabbeflicker
      @Schlabbeflicker Год назад

      South Dakota is STILL a bulwark against communism

    • @mbilden
      @mbilden Год назад +2

      @@lucasmetz2403 More on the lines of the Democrat Farm Labor party in Minnesota, but the NonPartisan League (later the Democrat-NPL) did have socialist roots placing them far to the left of most of the conservative Christian population. Fun Fact: My grandfather was a prominent state level republican politician. In the early part of his career the NPL leaders tried to recruit him several times to run for the US Senate. My grandfather was a strong proponent of small government, so I don't know why they tried so hard, but politics often breeds strange bedfellows. 😉

    • @brianmiller1077
      @brianmiller1077 Год назад +6

      That's why ND has a State Bank and a State Mill. Why send raw product to Chicago/Mpls when we can add value here?
      Very Forward thinking actually

  • @bananabob2185
    @bananabob2185 Год назад +3

    Well done and very informative!

  • @BORN-to-Run
    @BORN-to-Run Год назад +1

    Excellent presentation.
    Thank you.

  • @nickm2890
    @nickm2890 Год назад +66

    Nice work, dude. I wasn't taught this in school. Honestly, I don't know that I was even taught how a territory became a state. Great info, presented expertly. Definitely gonna check out your podcast.

    • @helmijohnson5079
      @helmijohnson5079 Год назад +3

      Wyoming was the first state to allow Women to Vote! My grandmother was born February 10, 1880 in Parker, Dakota Territory

    • @helmijohnson5079
      @helmijohnson5079 Год назад +4

      In 1880 Dakota Territory was divided, becoming)as signed --Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota. All 3 states celebrated CENTENNIAL year 1989!

    • @douglasmcginity3327
      @douglasmcginity3327 Год назад +2

      We were taught this in American history class. Read any decent comprehensive book about how the west was settled you’ll see it was all based on destiny and political balancing acts.

    • @deljay1840
      @deljay1840 Год назад +4

      You probably meant you don't remember it. Any text book would have this.

  • @SamFergusonNE
    @SamFergusonNE Год назад +74

    This is a great video! Thank you for this! NOT a complaint, just think you’d want to know: you verbally stated Sioux Falls as “Sioux City” at about 4:24.

    • @lindanitzschke1315
      @lindanitzschke1315 Год назад +4

      ...and he probably thinks Sioux City is in Ohio, not Iowa!!

    • @danduffy7974
      @danduffy7974 Год назад +1

      @@lindanitzschke1315 Are you related to the great Greenbay Packer Ray Nitzschke? Just askin.....

    • @garystewart3110
      @garystewart3110 Год назад +1

      Sioux City however is factually Accurate, thats why he said Sioux City I'm sure. Sioux Falls now has a bigger airport, but SIoux City is more industrial and is the one connected to chicago by rail and the world by the river.

    • @garystewart3110
      @garystewart3110 Год назад +1

      @@lindanitzschke1315 heh its actually in 3 states. did you know that?

    • @Brian-nx3yp
      @Brian-nx3yp Год назад +2

      Also missed how Wyoming partially came from the Oregon Territory.

  • @SGTDuckButter
    @SGTDuckButter Год назад +1

    Great job, I’ve always wondered.

  • @mattschipper2060
    @mattschipper2060 Год назад +3

    I was taught in school that they couldn’t agree on a capital, they kept switching back and forth between Bismarck and Yankton, but having the capital in one place left the people living on the other side of the territory unsatisfied. And when they both became a state at the same time, on the same day, they were the 39th and 40th states, the way they settled which was which was by alphabetical order. North Dakota is officially the 39th state and South Dakota the 40th because N comes before S

  • @randysteele6753
    @randysteele6753 Год назад +20

    You say Sioux City when talking about railroad connections, but the town is called Sioux Falls, SD, not Sioux City, IA. Very interesting VID. Thanks

    • @butiliketacos
      @butiliketacos Год назад

      Geoff, I would encourage you too look into the relationship between Sioux City, Iowa's old Elevated railway and Chicago's.

    • @MasterShake9000
      @MasterShake9000 Год назад +1

      There’s a (north) Sioux City in SoDak, too

    • @rb98769
      @rb98769 Год назад

      @@MasterShake9000 AND a (south) Sioux City in Nebraska

  • @jwwalker688
    @jwwalker688 Год назад +12

    Thanks, how about explaining North and South Carolina?

    • @wes2262
      @wes2262 Год назад

      High country landowners (NC) had different interests than low country landowners (SC)

  • @donjorge8329
    @donjorge8329 Год назад

    Very interesting. Thanks a lot!!!

  • @calvingrondahl1011
    @calvingrondahl1011 Год назад +2

    Born in Grand Forks ND, 1950, moved to Utah in 1971. Thanks for your insights.😊

  • @AdamG1
    @AdamG1 Год назад +28

    Really interesting video, always wondered about how states west of the original colonies got their boundaries. If you're looking for another interesting topic like this, I'd like to know more about why the part of Ohio I live in was part of Connecticut. I'm in the Western Reserve region and always found that interesting since the boundary starts at the PA state line.

    • @Darkkfated
      @Darkkfated Год назад +1

      The answer is almost always "a river".

    • @AdamG1
      @AdamG1 Год назад +3

      @@Darkkfated this is one case where it isn't. They drew a line through PA and extended Connecticut's borders westward. It's kind of interesting

    • @Darkkfated
      @Darkkfated Год назад

      @@AdamG1 Well yeah, it's not ALWAYS a river. Sometimes it's some other geographical feature or major city, and they draw a line from there to the nearest river.

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 Год назад +1

      In the case of Ohio it was really arbitrary. New York and Pennsylvania were considered big enough already. Connecticut and Massachusetts extended their existing north and south borders on the other side of NY and PA claiming land all the way to the Mississippi until Congress passed the Northwest Ordinence. You can see something similar in the south in a map toward the end of this video.

  • @shaneg9081
    @shaneg9081 Год назад +4

    As soon as I saw the title of this video I knew I was going to get some history on trains. Railroad history is awesome.

  • @mbathroom1
    @mbathroom1 Год назад +5

    last time I was this early, the dakotas owned the dakotas

  • @poodee9395
    @poodee9395 Год назад

    Love your channel and you're kind of eye candy. ❤

  • @timdowney6721
    @timdowney6721 Год назад +9

    If you talk to people in Western Montana, they’ll tell you the eastern part of the state is West Dakota. 🤣🤣

    • @whoisjohngalt4880
      @whoisjohngalt4880 Год назад +4

      If you talk to people in Eastern Montana, they’ll tell you that the western part of the state is 2% actual Montanans and 98% yuppie Californians. It’s a fair assessment. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @MrGencyExit64
    @MrGencyExit64 Год назад +19

    Don't forget Dakota Fanning, our 3rd Dakota.

    • @BillGreenAZ
      @BillGreenAZ Год назад +1

      And Dodge Dakota, our 4th Dakota.

  • @rensocruz1866
    @rensocruz1866 Год назад

    Great video 👍

  • @jeremywales8
    @jeremywales8 Год назад

    Great video. 🤙🏻

  • @ARandomDonut
    @ARandomDonut Год назад +42

    Did you just call Sioux Falls... Sioux City?
    We do not associate with sewer city in South Dakota.

    • @molmer2380
      @molmer2380 Год назад

      "Sewer City" lol 👏👏

    • @brianmiller1077
      @brianmiller1077 Год назад +2

      As we say in Fargo, "flush twice it's a long way to UND". You must feel the same about SCSD

    • @ARandomDonut
      @ARandomDonut Год назад

      @@brianmiller1077 As an SDSU student, we always remember why it's so windy in Brookings. Fargo sucks and Vermillion blows.

  • @Fireball_
    @Fireball_ Год назад +6

    I you haven't been go to both dakotas buteful states with great people

  • @jdd83631
    @jdd83631 Год назад

    Please share updates! This is a very interesting case!

  • @jodisoberg-loupee8122
    @jodisoberg-loupee8122 Год назад +2

    Proud ND girl born and raised. I love my state

  • @AverytheCubanAmerican
    @AverytheCubanAmerican Год назад +10

    Your map is out of date at 5:43. ND and SD were the 39th and 40th states, so at the time, Nevada (36), Nebraska (37), and Colorado (38) were already states. Looking at the Missouri River going through the Dakotas, it really makes you think they should've been divided East Dakota and West Dakota, especially with the fact Fargo, Grand Forks, Jamestown, Bismarck, Sioux Falls, and Pierre are all on the eastern side of the river. The western side is more rural than the eastern, plus they were settled differently with the west side being settled by miners while the eastern side was settled by people coming from Chicago like you mentioned!
    And sure, they were split up for political reasons, but really, what state wasn't formed for political reasons when you really get down to it? All the way back to the original 13 colonies who rebelled and became states!

    • @chrisa6310
      @chrisa6310 Год назад

      Thank you. By the reasoning this video uses, states shouldn't be states because it was a political calculation. That's every state. People today just hate it for political reasons. Had we called one state Dakota and the other Cheyenne or something, people wouldn't even be talking about this.

  • @earljohnson2113
    @earljohnson2113 Год назад +8

    I once had a Dodge Dakota. Really great midsized Pickup truck. 🤔

    • @sterlinghawk_g20
      @sterlinghawk_g20 Год назад

      Oh god you made my day. 😂

    • @jwwalker688
      @jwwalker688 Год назад +1

      I disagree but respect your opinion.

    • @earljohnson2113
      @earljohnson2113 Год назад

      @@jwwalker688 That's Ok. It was a frign gas hog...😕

  • @kingdomofgarvin3432
    @kingdomofgarvin3432 Год назад

    Good job

  • @juanpecan7089
    @juanpecan7089 Год назад +2

    Ah an MLS fan, a man of class and culture. As a Red Bull fan that refuses to call them that I am permanently jealous of what yall got going in Portland. Forza Metro, and great video.

  • @MrPriebster
    @MrPriebster Год назад +9

    Hello from South Dakota the best Dakota

    • @codymoe4986
      @codymoe4986 Год назад

      The best Dakota is West Dakota...

  • @verderandy9161
    @verderandy9161 Год назад +32

    Geoff, Enjoyed the ND/SD video. Had always wondered why two Carolinas and two Dakotas. Quite informative. Any thoughts on doing a video on why two Carolinas? Randy/GA

    • @homomorphic
      @homomorphic Год назад +2

      Also two Virginias. Virginia and west Virginia.

    • @verderandy9161
      @verderandy9161 Год назад

      @@homomorphic Good point had not thought of that! Randy/GA

    • @mauallison7755
      @mauallison7755 Год назад

      @@verderandy9161 Also all mostly conservative states. Why not make DC and Northern Virginia one state also? Both are culturally much different than Virginia itself and DC has no representation.

    • @N0sf3r4tuR1s3n
      @N0sf3r4tuR1s3n Год назад +5

      The Carolina separation happened before the US was even independent- apparently back in the early 1700's, and the reason was that the British decided that there were too many people in the colony to administrate as a single colony, so South Carolina was broken off from North Carolina, which at the time still had Tennessee as part of it.

    • @CplSkiUSMC
      @CplSkiUSMC Год назад +5

      In a way, there are 2 Michigans too. The Lower Peninsula and the Upper Peninsula. There are some real differences between the two and the Upper Peninsula has long had a movement to break away and become its own state. Can you blame them? Would you want to live in the same state with Detroit?

  • @marke8323
    @marke8323 Год назад +2

    I used to work and live along the Montana-North Dakota border, and lived at Watford, City ND. When we used to return from visiting home in Ohio, once we crossed the Eastern North Dakota line we we almost there only EIGHT more hours of driving!

  • @TheDanrach
    @TheDanrach 7 месяцев назад

    Fascinating!

  • @billsennert
    @billsennert Год назад +16

    It should have never been set up this way. The dividing line should have bene vertical split down the middle creating an East Dakota and West Dakota.

    • @anthonynosike
      @anthonynosike Год назад

      It looks better this way lol

    • @brianmiller1077
      @brianmiller1077 Год назад

      West Dakota would still be a territory

    • @gth804f
      @gth804f Год назад +2

      The problem with using a body of water as a border is water is a dynamic force of nature. This is how we ended up with oddities like the Kentucky Bend.

  • @kevinbryer2425
    @kevinbryer2425 Год назад +8

    LIke cats or potato chips, you can't have just one Dakota.

  • @explorationandhistorywithethan
    @explorationandhistorywithethan Год назад +2

    I remember that I learned the colony that would be New Jersey was split in 2, East and West Jersey. I assume they were devided based on loyalty to the king during that time period.

  • @lagodifuoco313
    @lagodifuoco313 Год назад +5

    Family Guy: North Dakota, we're not even the best Dakota.

  • @ellasmommy9278
    @ellasmommy9278 Год назад +3

    I live in Western Maryland and I remember in HS geography 50 years ago that Virginia and West Virginia were fighting over land out here. To the point where the western part wasn't touching the rest of Maryland. I would love a history on how Maryland got its Southern border

    • @johnhblaubachea5156
      @johnhblaubachea5156 Год назад +1

      Always was the Potomac River. Trouble is in the mid 1600s no one knew how close the river came to the Maryland - Pennsylvania border!

  • @nozrep
    @nozrep Год назад +2

    :31; yes I have wondered it haha and, indeed I do believe I was taught it in my school history and civics class circa the year 2000, back when “they” still taught that stuff in schools😅(do they? they should!). Also I went to a private school which supposedly had more intensive teaching standards than our local public school system… Anyways I forgot, and so I am here to re-learn again!

  • @thataboytrevor8486
    @thataboytrevor8486 Год назад

    Oregon territory also went up into what would be barely into what would become BC because when the British gave independence to Canada the western part was not in control of British and Canada but then they eventually joined Canada a lot of people don’t know this. But it very hard to find the map.

  • @GlacialErratic
    @GlacialErratic Год назад +18

    ND born and raised. It is a common opinion that Dakota Territory should have been split vertically instead. Creating East and West Dakota. In hind sight this would have been more in line with the social culture within the areas. Next time, we'll get it right.😘

    • @daveharrison84
      @daveharrison84 Год назад +6

      There is the same feeling in Washington/Oregon.

    • @trevordavis2760
      @trevordavis2760 Год назад

      IF you where from the real Dakota (We where signed in first as a state too), you'd know we do split it East and West River!! Annddd Yes East River rules!!

    • @GlacialErratic
      @GlacialErratic Год назад

      @@trevordavis2760 Show me one single document that refers to the states of East Dakota and West Dakota, while you are at it, find any reference to which state entered the union first. Be it North, South, East or West.
      Nothing would make me happier than to detach from the east of either of these states.

    • @brianmiller1077
      @brianmiller1077 Год назад

      Set the border at ND 18 and whatever SD road is it's equivalent?

  • @_Devil
    @_Devil Год назад +5

    I'd like to see a video on why the two Carolina's exist!

    • @MsThorne2009
      @MsThorne2009 Год назад +1

      Virginia and West Virginia as well.

  • @davidcawrowl3865
    @davidcawrowl3865 Год назад

    Don't forget that Lewis and Clark were surveyors too. The Expedition made its way through North Dakota twice between 1804 and 1806.

  • @295g295
    @295g295 Год назад

    5:09 - I did not realize *Sioux Falls SD* is such a big city.

  • @michaelwilliams2827
    @michaelwilliams2827 Год назад +8

    Hey Geoff, I just ran across your channel. It looks like you're doing a good job with it. I hope it works out for you. If you don't remember, we went to the Netherlands together while at PSU.

  • @cherylsemrau7100
    @cherylsemrau7100 Год назад +4

    Thank you for the information. I am a Canadian. I have relatives that came to Canada from there. Also I still have relatives living there. I know the Baptist seminary in South Dakota. Also my family and I have been to both Dakotas.

  • @erikpearson5310
    @erikpearson5310 Год назад

    I see your Timbers shirt, not sure if you're local but those are everywhere in town here.

  • @kennethmaxwell1595
    @kennethmaxwell1595 Год назад

    Nice job.

  • @aukir
    @aukir Год назад +19

    There's a lesser known Dakota, West. It's just Eastern Montana. :)

    • @AsianManZan
      @AsianManZan Год назад +1

      That’s just Montucky. Or mondak territory

  • @CapAnson12345
    @CapAnson12345 Год назад +3

    We liked it so much we got one of each.

  • @py8554
    @py8554 Год назад +2

    I knew why there are two Virginia states (the Civil War and all that) but I didn't know why there are two Dakota states. Thanks for informing me about this lesser known bit of American history!

    • @jbaronde
      @jbaronde Год назад

      Also, more details. There was a corrupt territory gov at the time named Ordway. He moved the capital from Yankton to Bismarck through lots of bribery and direct payments. Also, took bribes to choose county seats. Later he was removed from office and faced legal consequences. But the moving of the capital had a lot to do with the local N v S split. There's no really good reason for there to be two Dakota's. The population warrants one state in 1889 and in 2023. It's really silly.

  • @Thammerit
    @Thammerit Год назад

    As someone who lives in Fargo, I learned something new today.

  • @JohnSBoyer
    @JohnSBoyer Год назад +10

    you can never have too many Dakotas

  • @0011peace
    @0011peace Год назад +2

    there is also two carolinas and virginias and in a sense 2 Kansases and Michigans(this one state with two parts.

  • @tobygoodguy4032
    @tobygoodguy4032 Год назад +2

    If they merged, the unemployment rate amongst politicians would double. 🤠

    • @achosenone44
      @achosenone44 Год назад

      politicians aint real people they is demonics as those humans to deceive the humans the sickos aint deceiving me they is all complete liars!!!non humans!!!

  • @MikeCee7
    @MikeCee7 Год назад +13

    This was very interesting.
    Before this video, I could only name two cities in those entire two states combined. (one being “Fargo”, only from my Sesame Street days in the 70s)
    They should make this an AP course, & required for every Floridian to take!
    I hope our governor will approve it 😂

    • @brianmiller1077
      @brianmiller1077 Год назад +1

      As some one living in ND, I couldn't believe part of the Electric Company was made there (the recurring sketch, "Fargo North, Decoder" is what I think you're thinking of)

    • @MikeCee7
      @MikeCee7 Год назад

      @@brianmiller1077from my memory, I don’t recall part of Sesame Street actually being filmed there.
      I just recall, that it was a reoccurring character who said he’s from Fargo, North Dakota.
      just like him Gilda Radner on SNL played Rosanne RosannaDanna from Fort Lee, New Jersey.
      (maybe I’m wrong, maybe they showed outside scenes from Fargo)

    • @brianmiller1077
      @brianmiller1077 Год назад +1

      @@MikeCee7"Fargo North, Decoder" was an Electric Company sketch not Sesame Street. Six year old me assumed it was filmed at the PBS affiliate

    • @MikeCee7
      @MikeCee7 Год назад

      @@brianmiller1077 yes thanks.
      I forgot about the name/show Electric Company. (i.e. I forgot they were two different shows)
      We used to watch those two shows, (back to back) when I was in elementary school (during the actual school day, in the classroom)
      & they just blurred together to me. (from my memory)

    • @RichV20
      @RichV20 Год назад

      Hitler, North Dakota

  • @alansach8437
    @alansach8437 Год назад +3

    No one would question this if these two sparsely populated states had different names. Like Dakota and South Canada (for example). But because they are both called Dakota folks question why there are two of them. With their small populations you could also question why Idaho and Wyoming are two different states, or Montana and Wyoming....why not one state?

  • @peachypeach5838
    @peachypeach5838 Год назад

    Grsat video! What about N and S Carolina's?

  • @EPL762
    @EPL762 Год назад +1

    Yes, as a foreigner I always had that doubt as well with the Carolinas and Virginias.
    Not included are the "New" Jersey, Mexico and York.

    • @krone5
      @krone5 Год назад +1

      the carolina colonies were well split up before they were states.

    • @EPL762
      @EPL762 Год назад

      @@krone5 Was the split due to territory or politics?

    • @krone5
      @krone5 Год назад

      @@EPL762 get a history book, or watch a good youtube video on the subject. Note I used the term colonies, so the US was not involved with making of the basics of these territories.

  • @kylej741
    @kylej741 Год назад +6

    I’d like to make a slight pronunciation correction; it’s Nord Dakota and Soud Dakota. 😀
    You may now continue on with your day, thank you.

    • @saphire82
      @saphire82 Год назад +1

      I’d say it’s more like “Narth Dikoda and South Dikoda” 😂

  • @rcud1
    @rcud1 Год назад +7

    Due to their size and scope, it does make sense to have them as 2 states. If anything Montana could be 2 states and California should be 3 states.

    • @elwoodblues9613
      @elwoodblues9613 Год назад +1

      If the people of far north California finally have their way, California *will* be split into two states. The northern part, very conservative, would be Jefferson. It also makes sense to make another divide at the San Gabriels, because what is now Northern California is pretty different from Southern California.
      However, there is a serious cultural divide east-west. The population within 50 miles of the coast is so leftist that it's nearly Communist, and because this region has 2/3 of the population, they are responsible for California's awful reputation. East of the Coastal Range, California is a mix of staunch conservatives, rugged independents, and Blue-Dog Democrats. Breaking up the state there would make more sense.

    • @perfectallycromulent
      @perfectallycromulent Год назад +4

      sure, why not give more senators for states full of livestock instead of people? oh, right, cows aren't american citizens, they're property. how about we let the people control the nation instead of rural acreage?

    • @rcud1
      @rcud1 Год назад +4

      @@perfectallycromulent Which is why California has 52 US Representatives and N. Dakota and S. Dakota each have 1. See how that works!

    • @jdilksjr
      @jdilksjr Год назад

      @@perfectallycromulent Why not learn why our government is set up the way it is. It was to prevent mob rule (True Democracy).

    • @perfectallycromulent
      @perfectallycromulent Год назад

      @@jdilksjr yeah, maybe check out who set that up: a bunch of slave masters who were afraid their evil acts would result in them being slaughtered by the people they enslaved. "fear of mob rule" is just code for "let the same rich guys control everything like always has happened". it's anti-human bullshit.

  • @shawnsnow7748
    @shawnsnow7748 Год назад +1

    Great video. Benjamin Harrison defeated Grover Cleveland in the election of 1888 (only by winning the Electoral College however). It's actually during Harrison's administration that ND, SD, MT, ID, WY and WA enter the union--the first three in 1889 and latter three in 1890. Grover Cleveland when on to win a non-consecutive re-election in 1892.

    • @dannyhightower911
      @dannyhightower911 Год назад +2

      Yes, but the agreement to let the Dakotas Washington and Montana into the Union as states was signed by President Grover Cleveland in February 22, 1889. They were admitted later like you said but the agreement to let them in was signed by Cleveland in 1889.

    • @HawkOnHOG
      @HawkOnHOG Год назад

      Washington entered statehood in November of 1889.

  • @Toeven1
    @Toeven1 Год назад

    LOL. 4:20 in Graphic reads "Sioux Falls to Chicago", but the narrator say's Sioux City to Chicago 😊

  • @TheJBerg
    @TheJBerg Год назад +8

    If we're going to start combining states, start with all those county sized states in New England: Delaware, New Jersey, Road Island.

    • @brianjonker510
      @brianjonker510 Год назад +4

      and we will name it Brand New England

    • @BMrider75
      @BMrider75 Год назад +6

      New Jersey !? That's not in New England!
      Road ?! Road?! Rhode.......
      Appalling gerrymandering is USA's biggest problem.

  • @PhilHug1
    @PhilHug1 Год назад +17

    Part of me wouldn't mind if more states were admitted to the union but I don't want to get rid of the nice round number we have by having 50 states. I compromise would be to have the Dakota instantly combine into one state the second we get ready to admit another state 🤣

    • @goobot1
      @goobot1 Год назад +6

      Just annex Canada, they have 10 providences so turn those into state and we have 60

    • @lyndi9719
      @lyndi9719 Год назад +4

      @@goobot1
      Canada now has 11 provinces. Nunevit was carved out of the eastern part of the Northwest Territories.

    • @rcud1
      @rcud1 Год назад

      Would make more sense for Rhode Island to merge with Connecticut and Delaware to merge with Maryland , and also have Vermont and New Hampshire merge.

    • @sexygeek8996
      @sexygeek8996 Год назад +2

      @@lyndi9719 Canada has 10 provinces and 3 territories, one of which is Nunavut. Prince Edward Island wouldn't be admitted as a state because its population is too small. Quebec won't join unless it gets special privileges that the United States is unlikely to grant.

  • @SteveSmith-wm5vw
    @SteveSmith-wm5vw Год назад

    Look at some different states when it comes to what party was is control at that time.
    One thing that puzzled me today. Is Louisiana purchase had a lot of land/states involved. In yet Louisiana is a smaller state than Arkansas, etc. Oklahoma

  • @timnewman1172
    @timnewman1172 Год назад +1

    The actual dividing line is East river vs. West river...

  • @Grafvollundr
    @Grafvollundr Год назад +8

    As a South Dakotan, I can assure you there is really just one Dakota.

    • @codymoe4986
      @codymoe4986 Год назад

      Yup, West Dakota.

    • @lagodifuoco313
      @lagodifuoco313 Год назад

      @@codymoe4986
      East Dakota.

    • @jamisojo
      @jamisojo Год назад

      What do you think South Dakota should be called them Ryker?

    • @Grafvollundr
      @Grafvollundr Год назад

      @@jamisojo Best Dakota, clearly.

  • @tomsitzman3952
    @tomsitzman3952 Год назад +14

    Both Dakotas were once part of the Nebraska territory. The three states should have been on single State. Or the more logically the three States
    should have been divided North South at the 100th Meridian forming the States of East Nebraska and West Nebraska. The land east of the 100 meridian
    is farm country and the land west of the 100th is ranch country. Long and midgrass prairie in the east and short grass, steep country to the west.

    • @DarkSygil666
      @DarkSygil666 Год назад +4

      Wow! That's pretty cool to know! Thank you for sharing.

  • @dezheathen
    @dezheathen Год назад

    Digging the Timbers shirt

  • @vidyadharjoshi5714
    @vidyadharjoshi5714 Год назад

    It is interesting to see that many borders are neat and many are st lines. The entire top line between US and Canada looks pretty neat. The top of Minnesota has an interesting spike. That could have been a st line as well. Even so many states have st line borders. Makes it easy for Maps.
    The east side of US has lots of zigzag. Wonder why so many smaller states in North-east. e.g. All those between New York state & Maine can possibly be one state. N & S Carolina. Delaware & Maryland, Michigan is interestingly split. They can sell Alaska to Canada (???)

  • @dafish6870
    @dafish6870 Год назад +7

    Years ago there were some people that wanted to see North Dakota renamed. So a contest was held where people could suggest what would be the best name. My favorite two entries were Manitscolda and
    Barren Rectangle.

    • @uss-dh7909
      @uss-dh7909 Год назад

      North dakotian here, can confirm, "Barren Rectangle" is a very-very-very-very *inhales* very accurate description of the land I was born and raised in.

    • @BillGreenAZ
      @BillGreenAZ Год назад

      You may joke, but years ago North Dakota was seriously thinking about changing its name to simply "Dakota".

  • @pizzadispenser1389
    @pizzadispenser1389 Год назад +5

    We need a MEGA-DAKOTA

    • @achosenone44
      @achosenone44 Год назад

      no we dont the sicko demonic lieng loser devil and the evil and the wicked is all going into the pit lake of fireeeeeeeee justice will be served!!!!

  • @alexgg7499
    @alexgg7499 Год назад +1

    My question always been how they do the lines

  • @HRpuffnstuff23
    @HRpuffnstuff23 Год назад

    You have a great voice

  • @scottlaplantelaplante990
    @scottlaplantelaplante990 Год назад +3

    Quite a few comments about having the east/west dividing line. The problem at the time of statehood was that the west river area would not have qualified because of low population. West river may then have been pulled into Montana and Wyoming. Full disclosure - I grew up east river SD, and will return in a couple of years to escape the peoples republic of MN. The joke here in MN now is can western MN be separated and become East Dakota to free it from the leftists in the Twin Cities. 🙂

    • @MFV77
      @MFV77 Год назад

      I hear you! I live in the Black Hills now… escaped the Twin Cities years ago.

  • @thatmichiganguy
    @thatmichiganguy Год назад +11

    I like them both. Sioux Falls is my favorite town with population under 250k. As for being conservative states, I'd rather as a Muslim to start my family there rather than any liberal state.

    • @samnero387
      @samnero387 Год назад +1

      Why not move to a Muslim country? I hear Afghanistan is nice.

    • @Sabrina-01
      @Sabrina-01 Год назад

      Your not welcome. You or your clan .

    • @brianmiller1077
      @brianmiller1077 Год назад +2

      @@samnero387 That's rude. TMG probably appreciates their freedoms more than you do.

  • @riedjacobsen8620
    @riedjacobsen8620 Год назад +2

    DAKOTA was too nice and awesome to be admitted as a single state. Of course they had to split it up into two states.

  • @dmc9791
    @dmc9791 Год назад +1

    nice job im from yankton sd

  • @paulsmith5398
    @paulsmith5398 Год назад +3

    Ive been to both states on vacation, didnt notice much difference between them, both very rugged landscape, not worried about political differences. Lots of history to be had in them. Chicago wants to form its own state, and secede from the rest of Illinois, maybe that would be intetesting?

    • @xxxBradTxxx
      @xxxBradTxxx Год назад +3

      They should, the rest of the state would probably vote republican, so it’d be a blessing for everyone involved.
      Also a couple counties in eastern Oregon have voted to join Idaho.

    • @paulsmith5398
      @paulsmith5398 Год назад

      @@xxxBradTxxx you are correct on the political affiliation, Chicago has so much graft and corruption, its pathetic. Seems like downstate is paying more just to support all that criminal activity up there, and us poor people south of Interstate 80 only get crapped on.

    • @kipter
      @kipter Год назад +4

      @@xxxBradTxxx i feel like most states should do something like that, doesnt make sense that the huge population centers get to dictate the way people can live hundreds of miles away

    • @atticus8659
      @atticus8659 Год назад

      But it's the majority of what the people want. Even if it's hundreds of miles away, it doesn't matter. That's where most people live.

    • @jdilksjr
      @jdilksjr Год назад +1

      @@atticus8659 Mob rule is not what our founding fathers wanted. The states should have followed the example set by the US constitution and split their Legislatures into two with Senate having representatives from each county and House with representatives based on population. That evens it out so that there is compromise by both sets of people.

  • @MexicoAdventurer
    @MexicoAdventurer Год назад +5

    I love both North Dakota and South Dakota. They're both Awesome States.

  • @Richking213
    @Richking213 Год назад +1

    We need some history of Canada geography as well

  • @crusiethmaximuss
    @crusiethmaximuss Год назад

    That's pretty cool

  • @tin2001
    @tin2001 Год назад +4

    The US is just greedy... My country doesn't have any Dakotas at all.

    • @MAXIMUSMINIMALIST
      @MAXIMUSMINIMALIST Год назад +2

      We will gladly give you California! We will even pay you to come get it 👍🏻👍🏻

    • @achosenone44
      @achosenone44 Год назад

      usa is babylon it will be destroyed by my beautiful Heavenly Father Almighty The Most High, Father to much evil and wicked been let out this fake holographic fake reality realm will have to be destroyed by fireeeeeeeeeee!!! this time !!!

    • @BillGreenAZ
      @BillGreenAZ Год назад

      @Andrew No, there will still be trade between California and the rest of the US. That's what economy does. Just like the US trades with Canada.

  • @wayne-oo
    @wayne-oo Год назад +3

    I think you missed the bigger reason ! While you made many valid points the real reason was much more political, after Texas earned its statehood , congress learned big states had more representatives and at the time Texas had too much power politically ! Along with Oregon territory the Dakota territory were to large and congress didn’t want to loose control to 3 or 4 states !

    • @zeroturn7091
      @zeroturn7091 Год назад +1

      This has always been the reason, it’s the reason why there is pushback to admitting new states.